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sources say the suspect in the case led the FBI to remains that are now being tested for DNA in the last 40 minutes
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Patty werling texted WC Esme Murphy our hearts are broken we have no words wcco's Jennifer marle learned of these
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significant developments in the last two days and she joins us now with more Jen
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the man named as a suspect in Jacob wetterling's abduction LED FBI agents to where he says they'll find the missing
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boy's body we have heard they have found remains this all happened in the last few days as agents pressed Danny
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Heinrich for information on the nearly 27-year-old mystery sources tell me that the FBI took Hinrich out of jail at
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least twice this week it's during that time that Hinrich told investigators where they'd find Jacob's body we know
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Searchers have been at a site in Sterns County for several days 11-year-old Jacob wling was on his way home from Tom
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Thumb with his brother and a friend on October 22nd 1989 when he was abducted by a man with a gun the attacker told
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the two other boys to run and not look back or he'd shoot them Jacob was never seen again Danny Hinrich was arrested
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last October at his home in anandale prosecutors charged him with several counts of child pornography and named
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him as a person of interest in wetterling's kidnapping we'll have more on just how early Hinrich was looked at
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in this case in a moment but again sources tell me that the man suspected of kidnapping Jacob wling has told
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authorities where they'll find his body Searchers have been at that site for the
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last few days Heinrich was also scheduled to be in Minneapolis federal court yesterday at 2:30 we were prepared
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his brother Trevor and a friend Aaron went to their local video store around 900 p.m. on Sunday October 22nd 1989 now
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as the boys rode their bikes home a man suddenly emerged from a wooded area with
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a gun and he forced the boys to the ground first he told Trevor to run and not look back and then he told Aaron to
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do the same when the boys did look back the man was gone and their friend and brother Jacob weathering was gone as
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well without a trace now that was 1989 where we left off was 2003 where the Dan rassier was on the hot seat he had
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become a big part of the investigation uh some would call a suspect he lived right by the crime yeah he talked to
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police officers that night and he was a local music teacher uh well the the following year
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they get another tip okay we were going through tips that were coming in and one
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of those tips is what led them to believe Dan rassier could have committed this crime but that following year we
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get another tip this time it's a man in his late 20s who lived in Cold Spring as
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a child Cold Spring Minnesota is about 12 or so miles from St Joseph where Jacob's Hometown was and where he had
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disappeared from the man's name is Jared uh and you can look it up and you can find Jared's last name but for the
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majority of this investigation and for the majority of the times that he comes forward to Media uh he's simply known as
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Jared will give him that respect um Jared comes forward and he says you know he has a story very similar to Jacobs
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Jared was abducted the man had a gun the man threatened to kill Jared um and from
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my understanding this was a bit of old news for some of the investigators whom had known about this attack the whole
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time this attack yes it took place 9 months before and 12 mil away from the abduction but Jared as a boy was even
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interviewed additional times after he was attacked they they started reviewing his case again and went back and
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interviewed him again I believe this was about 6 weeks after Jacob was taken because the attack sounded so similar
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yeah there were so many similarities mainly the verbage of the attacker was was the same Jared was abducted by a man
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in a car the car had stopped to ask Jared for directions M Jared got closer to the car when the man stepped out of
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the vehicle and he said I have a gun and I'm not afraid to use it get in the vehicle the man inside of his car he had
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a police scanner he drove Jared to a remote I take back my comments about wanting to
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get a police scanner one anymore I think bad guys are using these for for for bad
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purposes yeah I'm not a bad guy I'm not going to buy one of those now so after he has the young boy in the vehicle he
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drives Jared to a remote location and he sexually assaults him uh he then drives
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Jared back toward the town where he had taken him from now all this time he that
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he's driving him back there he keeps asking him asking Jared over and over again can you recognize me do you know
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who I am would you be able to recognize me me questions like of that nature and Jared very wisely constantly he just
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says no no I wouldn't be able to recognize you I don't know who you are I I don't know what you look like and it's
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probably because of this that Jared was able to uh live to tell his story right he was released yeah so Jared was just
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12 at the time you know roughly the same age as Jacob wling Jacob wling was 11 uh
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and he and his parents would eventually move move away from Cold Spring some time after Jacob was abducted because
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even though he had reported the crime to the police and his parents had reported
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the crime to the police it was this is a tough thing for a kid to go through mhm
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um and I don't know if it's any easier tough thing I mean I don't even know if tough is the right word well for obvious
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reasons but but for the reason that I'm going to get into is there's there's other kids you know and kids can be
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cruel um and he he's getting pulled out of this is after Jacob has been abducted
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he's getting pulled out of class constantly to be interviewed you know no they never really said they had
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announced that there was a similar attack on a boy that took place about nine months before Jacob was abducted
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and but they never they didn't say who the boy was you know rightfully so but when you're getting pulled out of class
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and you're seen talking to the Sheriff's Department time and time again they they
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get a good idea you're that boy um and sometimes sometimes kids can pick on a a child that's a victim uh because they
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don't understand uh they don't know any better to be honest with you or or or they're just or they're dumb mean kids
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right they're [ __ ] you know I mean how many how many kids did you go to school with that were just super
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[ __ ] well eventually Jared and his parents move away and part of that may be because of the kids part of it may be
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because of the investigators um and he does kind of tell them who well I wonder too if there
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was this kid has this fear of this this attacker you know he's sexually assaulted by this guy and then the
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attacker is saying can you recognize me and now with this other kid going missing I wonder if there was a thought
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or some maybe he was scared that this attacker was going to come back after him I think you're exactly right moving
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away is a form of defense and getting your child out of there um and and especially now because the stakes have
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been ra because this guy could have could have done this to somebody else and this
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child is never resurfaced again um I think you're exactly right there he eventually moves away but it's in 2003
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2004 that he comes forward to remind everybody you know I was attacked 9 months before and it was very apparent
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to me by the questions that the investigators were asking me that my case was probably related to Jacob's
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case and if if this guy assaulted me and he assaulted Jacob he probably did this
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to other boys as well we might be able to get enough people to come together tell their bits and pieces of their
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story that they know of and maybe we can figure out who this guy is I mean we're
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talking about Jared was able to give some specific details he gave a description of the vehicle saying that
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the man had a police scanner in the car and give a give somewhat of a description of the man himself yeah and
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I think also having it be 14 years later I mean maybe there's there's a possibility that he's resurfacing to go
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hey look if this happened to anybody else come forward now and maybe at 12 years old or 14 years old or whatever
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age that this takes half if if somebody approached you when you were 12 maybe you're not likely to come forward um and
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and tell the police about it but maybe 14 years later you'll go hey I had this thing happen and and I saw this guy or
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this guy came up on me and told me he had a gun but I ran away yeah or maybe you had somebody that tried to grab you
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but wasn't successful and you have a description of that man and the vehicle that he was in you know these little
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things can matter these details can matter um in 2009 though we're talking about tips and leads here in 2009 in my
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opinion we get the strangest lead in this case so far in this very lengthy case an investigation would come this
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strange lead would come about in January of 2009 all the way from Milwaukee Wisconsin and we're going to and my one
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of my favorite characters in this whole case now on December of the previous year a St Francis Barber he was 62 years
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old his name is Vernon seats and he tells his psychiatrist that he had killed two boys back in
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1958 and I want to throw this in here though I I found several accounts of what the doctor said right uh on one
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occasion she says that that that Vernon seats had said he killed two boys in 1958 on another account she says that he
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had said 1959 so this man tells his psychiatrist that he had killed two boys in 1958 Andor 1959 right and who is this
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guy this is the guy that we talked about in part one where uh we talked about the
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psychics that were coming to the wetly family and trying to get some information and saying hey give me uh
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some of his clothing and maybe I can uh see something for you maybe I can give you a psychic reading he is one of those
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uh guys that were claiming to be a psychic mhm yeah and he would drive it's like over 400 miles to get to uh the
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wling house and and meet with Patty wling on two occasions and tell her I'm a psychic I you know I'm trying to get
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some information on the abduction and by the way here's a painting that I did of
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of your abducted son jaob so this we got this guy claiming to be a psychic like we said he was a barber and then he uh
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admits to his doctor that he killed kids now you would start thinking well maybe
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he he has to be somebody that we need to look into further on the Jacob case now
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I know some people out there are thinking well what about you know doctor client privileges here you know should
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this doctor be notifying the police but I and I don't know what what the law is exactly on that I'm sure there's some
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legal jargon that I wouldn't understand but the psychiatrist says that the reason why she came forward was because
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she he had been SE seeking her help for quite some time this was not their first
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interaction this is somebody that he had been going to for a while she says months I don't know exactly how many
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months but she said that the reason why she notified the police is so that they can speak with Vernon seeds because he
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is ready to make a confession well before the police can get to Mr seats to interview him he actually dies of
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natural causes that's very yeah and you would think that the Strang ends there but it does not uh given the information
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that he may have killed two boys in 1958 or 1959 uh the police get a search warrant
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to search Mr seat's home and property now keep in mind he died in his home um here's a list of the items that were
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found in Vernon seat's home okay uh first off hold on I'm I'm preparing myself to be creeped out I don't know
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what you're going to say and I'm going to warn you in advance this is a long list okay so don't don't get mad at me
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here I'm already mad I'm always mad at you first they found newspaper articles posters and laminated photos now some of
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these posters were laminated as well right and notes on some cardboard boxes uh one of one of these posters missing
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persons posters that they found was of Jacob wling and it had been laminated they also found children's shoes now
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keep in mind this man lived alone okay he didn't he didn't have a he didn't have a big family or or uh children
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living with him they found children's shoes God one shoe was a size 2 and 1/2 the other shoe was a size three and a/2
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both contained DNA and were later sent for testing they also found several books on cannibalism one of them was
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titled eat Thy Neighbor uh they found a small round that is not a recommended reading by the way no no it's not um
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they o found a small round bone uh you know and this was sent for testing as well they found brown patches of human
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hair blonde patches of human hair black patches of human hair they found rings and necklaces which didn't seem accurate
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for a man living by him himself a flesh colored candle with a catheter attached to it covered in some strange Brown
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substance they found bondage straps and chains hanging from the inner Rafters of
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the home handcuffs a box full of negatives this was these were later sent to be developed right pictures of
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unknown children a picture of a boy holding a fish that was dated July 1959 an Illinois road map with two
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locations circled on it they found a map of mstream Park this is a location that
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is near Jacob's abduction they found photos paintings and drawings of children being sexually
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tortured a novel that was written by burning seats named innocent rage a 38 caliber gun what was that book about I I
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don't know I did that's who knows yeah I'm not going to buy that on Amazon um and they also found you know we talked
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about notes and missing persons posters uh and newspaper articles about missing kids some of those kids that were that
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he had a built this collection of were of Sandy beralis and she was not a child she was 20 years old sandre went uh
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Missing in April of 1988 from a bowling alley uh this was in Wisconsin after telling her friends and family that she
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was going there to confront a man that she was dating for cheating on her and giving her a false last name and home
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address uh her car was later found in a in the parking lot of this bowling alley
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abandoned she's never been found um also amongst these newspaper articles and posters was that of cor Jones uh she was
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12 years old 12-year-old cor Jones was kidnapped while riding her bike in 1994 but this was by a by a known sex
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offender this was a case that was was solved uh he later pled guilty to to the murder of the young girl uh obviously
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that this guy has obsession with kids right and uh I mean the the shoe thing is super strange the patches of the hair
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super strange and you don't have a hair collection at your house [ __ ] no man that's no uh if anybody tells you they
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collect hair report them to somebody yeah one time I was at a party and this guy said I collect hair and I said I'm
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[ __ ] out of there I just dropped my beer and just left no that never happened but no so obviously he's he's
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into this but you know I wonder if he's using these like missing children cases and these clippings as like some sort of
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like uh pornography you know I mean like you cuz you can have I mean is that technically pornography if it's like in
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ridden form but maybe he like fantasizes about you know and that's why he was visiting the werling family you know to
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get all these details and maybe there was some kind of sexual thing that he got off on about this well and they
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found you know of the drawings we talked about they found drawings that uh were of right of torture yeah of torture or
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of you know sex with children um things like that and of course the the immediate thought is that he drew them
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himself um amongst the the other people that were of concern was Michael Dune he
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was uh 5 years old he was abducted um from a playground in Victoria British Columbia in March of 1991 Michael was
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last seen around 12:30 p.m. playing at the school playground uh as his mother Crystal was participating in a softball
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tournament to which his father was a spectator you know so his parents were there as well Michael was abducted
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meters from his parents but no witnesses to his disappearance and no one involved
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in that has ever been identified Michael was never found or seen again and the other person of concern is Melissa brain
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now she was 5 years old uh Melissa went missing from a party at her apartment complex in Virginia a groundskeeper was
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later charged and convicted with her abduction uh but Melissa was never found so it's obvious here captain that Vernon
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seats was not respons for some or all of these cases but it is also clear by the
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items that are found in the home uh that that this is of some very big concern here yeah this is very alarming this
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goes beyond the level of weird you know he was a 62y old Barber he had passed away um there were reports that Oh I
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thought you said 52 before I I I may have I apologize you might misspoke uh but there were reports that there was
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fresh cement which was recently poured be careful how you say that word cuz I thought you were going somewhere else
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with that oh no there was there was fresh cement that was poured in his basement um and there was also fresh
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dirt that looked to be have been overturned uh underneath heavy snowfall this is out in his yard um these what do
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you think his house smelled like oh God and think about all the okay so this makes a lot more sense the hair sample I
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wasn't putting two and two together if he's a Barber then he's but that's creepy he's cutting some kids' hair and
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then he's taking it home with them mhm I bet it smelled like I bet it smelled like
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U weird egg smell mixed with Pomade yeah who who knows they they they end up the police end up coming into the
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house with a jackhammer later because they want to get to this fresh cement to see if there's anything underneath of it
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they spent a good amount of time uh you know breaking up that cement floor and found nothing um and they
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checked the yard they found nothing um and furthermore they couldn't find um you know they couldn't find any link to
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him to any of these people that he had specific posters of right right um but there's a little a little more followup
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to that um unfortunately this is a story that came out in 2009 and it was very hot when it came out and there's not a
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whole lot of explanation for these items as we sit here now in 2017 well and then like like we said he
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had that connection with the family going there telling him that he was a psychic and so it's like is this going
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to uh be is this going to be the Smoking Gun that solves this jacob wling case you know obviously we know that it's not
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now but but then it opens up this whole other can of worms and so what if he's talking to his doctor and saying hey I I
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killed these boys I I I believe that I believe what whatever he's saying there was true unless
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because and maybe he didn't kill anybody else after that I'm I'm not saying that
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he didn't I'm just saying it's possibility and so I wonder if he like said okay well you know in 58 or 59 I
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killed these kids but but then ever since that time maybe he's like that's not self-medication but he's like well
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if I just dive into these cases and and surround myself with these other cases I'm kind of living vicariously through
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these other cases and then so I'm not killing or you know not molesting or whatever he's doing it it's rare um but
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there's also the possibility of some kind of mental health issue I mean obviously there's a mental health issue
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but I mean to the point of where he might believe things to have happened that did not take place yeah um there is
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one account um he as said he was a barber and so at his business the next door neighbor was a salon and the salon
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owner told the media on several interviews that she had many interactions with Vernon seats that when
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when times were slow at the barber shop he would come next door he'd have a cup of coffee and he always wanted to talk
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about his life and she said you know his life sounds like a typical man as he described it was was tragic strange and
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bizarre uh you know because he went into some detail with her stating that you know when I was a child when I was about
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14 this would roughly be around 1958 1959 that I was abducted somebody had taken me he he was from rine Wisconsin
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and he said that he was abducted there by an older man and the man had had another boy that was abducted as well
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and through the course of this abduction he was sexually assaulted and he was made to kill the other boy using a gun
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Jesus um he later says that that during that same abduction he witnessed the death of another boy so it's it's
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unclear of him saying that he killed two boys back in 58 or 59 that if it was his
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hands that did the killing or if he pulled the trigger on one of the boys forced to do so and then witnessed the
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death of another the other thing too though is he doesn't really stop there he he he has told the salon owner that
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um that a few years ago a man broke into my home and I killed him I shot him dead
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right um so that he has had multiple homicides um whether he was forced to do them or or self-defense or what or maybe
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it's all made up in his head right yeah and the thing here is the the detectives
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looked into this and I don't know if these were detectives specifically involved in the Jacob werling case but I
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do know that Milwaukee detectives and Wisconsin looked into it and the problem that they had with this whole scenario
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was that they couldn't find any record or any any cases that were even seem somewhat related to uh Vernon seat's
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stories you know they couldn't find any record of him actually being abducted they couldn't find or track any
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mysterious deaths of young boys in 58 or 59 right so either he just made this up
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or he he was a victim and he didn't come forward and he didn't talk about it and
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because of that trauma he's been wrestling with all these demons in his in his head well his sister-in-law Susan
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seats came tried to to defend him uh postmortem you know let's say uh tried to defend him saying that he was she
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believed that he was abducted uh she doesn't believe that he killed anybody uh she thinks that this abduction uh may
00:31:12
have created some strange sexual attractions to younger people um and that it also developed some kind of
00:31:20
psychosis where he became obsessed with child abductions where he would follow them in the news and follow them in the
00:31:26
media Drive 400 miles to go talk to the victim's mother yeah uh I mean look we we've talked about this before that you
00:31:34
know a a kid becoming a victim of this can lead for them to become the monster mhm you know not all the time but it
00:31:43
does happen so he doesn't seem to have been linked to any of the people that we named here specifically but I did find
00:31:50
some uh some weird stuff on him you know because 1959 he would have been young you know it wasn't like he was an old
00:31:57
man out abducting little kids he was 14 or 15 years old now there is there was a
00:32:02
boy who a young boy I think I don't have the age right in front of me but I want
00:32:07
to say it was like five six seven in that age range that had gone missing from a campground in Mobile
00:32:14
Alabama um this would have taken place uh in July of that year of 1959 now remember we said that he had a a picture
00:32:23
of a boy holding a fish um that was dated July 1959 MH and the weird thing here is that Vernon seats had family
00:32:33
members I believe it was his grandparents that lived somewhat in the area so that's a strange you know we
00:32:40
can't connect him to some of these other people but that's a strange weird situation here yeah U I don't know that
00:32:46
anything came of this because and I'm believing that nothing came of this to solve any cases because they took
00:32:52
evidence for testing right and we've we've not heard the results so usually that means it's a negative it's you know
00:32:59
they're not able to link him to anything yeah and again it's one of those things
00:33:03
where it's like you know he had some sick thoughts going through his head and there is a part of you that would feel
00:33:09
bad for him if he if he was traumatized if he was sexually molested in himself then then there's a part of you that
00:33:16
feels bad for him because then he then he's dealing with this trauma and he never seek uh professional help and and
00:33:23
and maybe that's why he was talking to the doctor in the first place mhm but at that point it's a little too late um
00:33:29
either way I mean there there's some sick thoughts in that guy's head it's a it's a very strange story and one that
00:33:35
got everybody in St Joseph Minnesota in an uproar you know such a crazy you know
00:33:41
uh connection with this case yeah that he actually drove there spoke to the mother and Dre drew a picture this leads
00:33:48
us up to 2010 Captain let's go back to the gentleman coming forward that he had driven to the crime scene you know we we
00:33:56
said that they had always you know Dan rassier says that I saw a vehicle at the end of my
00:34:01
driveway turn around Dan Dan is the music teacher yep and then we we don't know who this ghost car belongs to you
00:34:10
know we we don't know but there's a gentleman that comes forward and states I was driving by the crime scene because
00:34:16
I heard the crime on on a police scanner right right and I saw the bikes I talked
00:34:20
to the police they didn't seem arrested so I drove home and then many years later he comes forward to remind them of
00:34:26
the story right and again this is where the police believe that the the vehicle that Danier claims he had seen as well
00:34:35
as the tire tracks are all they're all accounted for now by this guy in this vehicle that that had nothing to do with
00:34:41
the abduction so therefore since we don't have a Suspect with the vehicle we're going to assume that the suspect
00:34:47
was on foot the whole time and then that makes our number one suspect Dan yes and
00:34:53
this is going to be the summer of 2010 uh the Sterns County Sheriff's Department conduct an extremely
00:35:01
publicized search of the home and property of Robert and Rita rassier this is Dan Racer's parents he of course is
00:35:09
still living at home um what he say of course I me he's a music teacher you think at this point they pay them
00:35:16
nothing I mean how's he supposed to live anywhere the Arts in this country is going downhill um from the search that
00:35:23
they did they removed several truckloads of dirt as well as removing some of Dan
00:35:28
and his family's property from the house um at some point and I couldn't nail down a date for when this took place as
00:35:36
it may have not been made public but prior to the search of Dan rasier he he agreed to meet with Patty wling um and
00:35:44
during that meeting Dan Dan tells her I I don't know if this is at Patty's request or the investigators request or
00:35:51
poor Dana you know I mean this guy you know this all these like look if he's still living with his parents then
00:36:01
there there's something going on there right don't you agree I don't know I I initially right and maybe maybe they're
00:36:09
older and he's taking care of them you know but what I'm saying is that at some point that becomes the case I don't know
00:36:15
if that's occurring then right but it's just like here's this teacher and because he lived close to where this uh
00:36:23
event took place now he's the number one suspect now and and how did that affect
00:36:27
his social life after that in this small town and then to come back all these years later and go okay well now you're
00:36:34
a number one suspect yeah yeah well I I mean I have a I have a very close friend
00:36:39
that lives with his father and they have a very large property uh and it's too much work for one person to take care of
00:36:47
and this friend of mine he enjoys working the land and taking care of the place and fixing things up and
00:36:52
maintenance and all that stuff he enjoys that stuff he can't afford a big house or a whole bunch of Land by himself
00:36:57
because he has so many hobbies so many hobbies that he spends a whole lot of money on and his his father's seems very
00:37:04
happy to have him around they're they're like a like a team now he does mention from time to time that he's going to
00:37:09
move out but he's been there for forever so I don't know that that's ever going to happen a right maybe that's the case
00:37:16
of of Dan rasier but um but I feel bad for the guy cuz you know I mean obviously we want to save this we want
00:37:23
to solve this case and we have this uh you know this 11-year-old boy went missing and obviously the the Law
00:37:31
Enforcement wants to solve this case but man the Casual the casualties that come
00:37:36
through investigations sometimes are awful MH you know and and we got this guy that I mean like we're talking about
00:37:43
him now and he might have done some good things with his life and all we're reporting on is that he was possibly or
00:37:51
was a suspect in The Disappearance of this 11-year-old boy yeah um this is this is the thing though you
00:37:59
know he he's such a strange variable in this case and you almost wonder if he had been removed from this case if he
00:38:07
was if if his role never took place if this could have been solved faster uh did did did he just just his presence
00:38:15
alone get in the way of the investigation right was it like uh a big decoy and we talked about him uh you
00:38:22
know we started to touch upon that he met with Patty w wling at some point now the issue here is I said I don't know if
00:38:30
this was at Patty's request Dan's request or the investigator's request my guess would be the investigators and
00:38:36
I'll tell you why because I think Patty comes off to me and you know I don't know her personally obviously but but
00:38:43
all the interviews I've heard from her things that I've read that she's done she seems extremely strong a very strong
00:38:51
person and on top of that extremely smart and kind as well she's she comes off very authentic yeah you know she she
00:39:00
just seems like an amazing person to me as well and Jerry seems to share those same traits her husband now I wonder
00:39:06
here you know if the investigators say you know what we got this guy and we can't find nothing on him other than he
00:39:13
was a quarter of a mile from where your son was abducted we think he did this okay now we also think that he like you
00:39:20
Patty is a sensitive maybe a sensitive person and we think that if maybe if we put the two of you in a room together if
00:39:29
you can handle that Patty let's put the two of you in a room together and see if
00:39:32
he breaks because Dan says during some of his questioning you know the police called an interview he might refer to it
00:39:39
as questioning some might refer to it as an interrogation yeah but he says that during some of these portions of the
00:39:45
time that he's been questioned that they would play video clips of Jared or I'm sorry of Jacob and they would play audio
00:39:53
clips of Jacob and of course this is a way to try to get someone to break down you know to to to get to that person
00:40:01
that's inside and and get them to confess now during this interaction and during this meeting with Patty wling uh
00:40:09
Dan tells her where on his property that he is afraid Jacob could be buried he actually read and he heard several
00:40:18
accounts of this is I've actually read and heard several accounts of this um the one that has been reported more than
00:40:25
others was Dan had stated that because he was publicly being looked at and because his property is so large we are
00:40:34
talking about his property is like 25 26 Acres that's a big piece of land Dan was
00:40:40
afraid that the real killer could return with Jacob's remains and place the body
00:40:45
on the property implicating Dan as the murderer mhm and then there's a couple things one I if you hear that as law
00:40:52
enforcement you're thinking well this guy is just stating this crazy story to cover his ass mhm right because he did
00:40:59
kill this kid he he did bury the the body and he's using this as a cover up so that seems a little fishy but on the
00:41:07
same time and to be in Dan's shoes think about freaking out like well look we have you know almost 30 Acres MH you
00:41:15
know so if somebody's reading the news and and they could move a body you know and and and and dig you know dig up the
00:41:23
body and then bury it on my property because they know that the cops are looking at me well and they end up
00:41:28
searching all of those I mean he listed specific areas where he thought that maybe the killer would want to return
00:41:36
with the remains of Jacob and place him there right uh and he names specific places and they search all of those
00:41:41
places during this highly publicized search um now here's the weird thing though um this interaction between the
00:41:50
two of them between Dan and Patty has been reported many times but it's been reported differently depending on who
00:41:56
you check your sources with and some of those reports come out as if Dan was taunting or teasing The Grieving mother
00:42:03
of a dead child right you know that that he's playing some kind of game here right uh and then the other reports
00:42:11
state that he's just simply afraid that he's going to be implicated for a murder
00:42:15
he didn't can didn't have anything to do with right and then on top of that like
00:42:19
I said the the the social implications and and the career implications from him just being involved now I do want to
00:42:27
point out that Dan never lawyered up uh which some consider lawyer lawyering up to be a small sign of guilt he did agree
00:42:35
to submit to every and any test that law enforcement sought he he submitted to a
00:42:40
DNA test lie detector test he even did an interview while under hypnosis uh and and also he's agreed to let them search
00:42:48
his car uh to multiple interviews as well as a meeting with with the victim's mother well it seems like he knew that
00:42:56
he was innocent and that he was had some faith in the justice system that would work itself out yeah this to me looks
00:43:03
very much like the behavior of an innocent person but if you fear that you are being unfairly accused or harassed
00:43:10
by the public news media or especially law enforcement by all means man lawyer up you know lawyer up and submit to
00:43:16
their test as requested um so I think he did with with the exception of the lawyer I think he did
00:43:24
everything as helpful as he could and he tried to be very forthcoming in this investigation in May of 2014
00:43:32
wccv reported that around the time of Jacob's abduction there were a cluster of at least six unsolved sexual assaults
00:43:40
on boys that were never looked at as a possibility as being a lead in the Jacob werling case these were all taking place
00:43:49
about two years prior to the Abduction of Jacob and about 30 miles away in Paynesville Minnesota this took place in
00:43:57
1986 and 1987 there are plenty of similarities here as well uh these attacks are all on
00:44:04
boys ranging in age from 12 to 16 years old these are nighttime attacks in two of the cases the boys were riding
00:44:13
bicycles uh the attacker sometimes wore a mask mhm and here's the two of the victims from the painsville attacks as
00:44:22
adults um recounting the events of their attack it was quite a while since I went back
00:44:28
outside at nighttime I remember I was home that before dark every night for a while that
00:44:37
was not something I wish on anybody it was terrifying put that way the Paynesville Police Department is seeking
00:44:44
The public's support in apprehending a man that has been ACC costing young men in the Paynesville community so far
00:44:50
there have been five different incidents reported Sergeant Bill dragger Painesville Police Department said we
00:44:55
need help all the help we can get this article ran on the cover of the Paynesville press it's not like it was
00:45:02
buried on page five it ran on the cover is right here Ro P used to be right here that's s happened it's been so long
00:45:13
I just can't remember all the details of that night but I I remember I was on my
00:45:17
way home and I was coming by the the gates Eagle Park and I turned the corner down come home here and some guy just
00:45:25
grabbed off my bike from behind and I didn't see who it was or nothing and put his hand around my mouth and drugg me
00:45:32
into the bushes there and said quiet I'm going I'll kill you and he went about his doing whatever
00:45:40
he wanted to do to me and what could go through your head I thought I was going to die basically you know I mean some
00:45:47
guy does that and then you know he has a knife cuz he cut your hair I laid there
00:45:51
and then I ran home and told Mom and Dad and me and Dad went look for him before
00:45:57
we went and did anything else but didn't find nothing of course and then we contacted the
00:46:03
police that was the end of an era of Innocence I mean Paynesville was the type of town like any town in Minnesota
00:46:10
there was a 10:00 whistle and at 10:00 you went home the sergeant I think it was at the
00:46:16
time was requesting help from the community for these attacks on on boys and it didn't sound like they were minor
00:46:24
attacks I mean the I said don't look back or I'll blow your head off and so there was this threat of a gun when we
00:46:31
started looking into it a little bit and I started blogging about it then suddenly I get other people that are
00:46:39
commenting and saying you know I know another guy or that happened to me or my little brother suddenly it was just more
00:46:45
and more and more and so five became six and six became seven and seven became 12
00:46:51
and my parents were gone and my oldest brother was there to you know kind of keep an eye on us or whatever we were
00:46:59
like we always did hang out up town you know on it was a weekend I'm sure I was probably 10 or 15
00:47:06
ft ahead of them and jumped off my bike like kids do you know let it roll down plop to the ground and uh started to go
00:47:15
head towards the front door and we had a concrete patio out there and we had some
00:47:21
lawn chairs out there and I heard something bump into it since I seen somebody you know Dart across the alley
00:47:28
I'm like I'm not staying around so I took off running and I bumped into my brother and I said hey I think it's the
00:47:34
Molester run so we ran to the street light they headed that way and I looked over my shoulder and I seeing a figure
00:47:43
there but I couldn't see a face it was just all black from the neck up got to the street light there and we
00:47:50
just yelled for help and luckily one of the neighbors had their window open a little bit and they could hear us and
00:47:56
they said what's going on out there you guys need help we said yeah call the cops you know somebody just tried to
00:48:02
grab us this group they were all tight and they hung out together all the time and it was the same group of boys that
00:48:08
kept getting um attacked they were absolutely terrified and I don't feel that they ever had a
00:48:20
voice in this you know that or that they ever felt that they were taken seriously
00:48:25
I talked to the cop that one night and that was it no followup no detectives nothing nobody it was just it was Hush
00:48:34
Hush after that it was oh it's okay whatever they just kind of blew it off you know they never talked to us again
00:48:42
you know the cops never came around and said well do you remember anything else at least I don't remember them you know
00:48:47
asking me again if you know is there anything different you know now that you've had time to process
00:48:54
it the description I gave of the guy and I you know I said he was a chubby guy but I don't he wasn't he wasn't chubby
00:49:01
at all I mean the guy I seen run across alley was in good shape and could move fast I hope the Painesville victims know
00:49:10
that that it was not okay it never was okay and and that I hope they do get some
00:49:18
justice now I hope they get some answers now you heard in the clip there they're talking about uh an a mask you
00:49:26
know the one boy describes when he turns around and looks back he saw you know someone run across the street but
00:49:33
couldn't see anything from the neck up it was all black MH um now I do have a description of a mask that was used in
00:49:41
at least one of these attacks it's described as a homemade mask made from Candy striped indoor or maybe outdoor
00:49:48
carpeting uh the attacker had a low Gruff voice and he threatened most if not all of the boys stating that he had
00:49:56
a knife or a gun you know and we talked about verbiage with the victim of Jared and how it was similar to what the what
00:50:03
Trevor and Aaron heard the things said to them and said to Jacob um how the verbiage was the same in those attacks
00:50:11
um you know we we heard In that clip there that that this attacker had some of that same verbiage you know he was
00:50:18
saying things like he would blow their heads off um if they told anybody and there's also situations from these group
00:50:26
of boys you heard you heard the one lady talking saying that the cases once they
00:50:30
started pouring in it got to the number of 12 of these cases and in some of these cases they were boys that were
00:50:37
taken from a group of boys um and unfortunately out of these 12 victims with their 12 stories only two victims
00:50:44
were interviewed after Jacob's Abduction the others were not interviewed at all right which you know we'll you know
00:50:52
looking back on it we're going to view that as a big uh um a black eye in this investigation yeah and then one thing
00:50:59
that we didn't hear in the clip uh was was some more details of one of the attacks um from the Paynesville victims
00:51:07
a the one boy well now a man says that when he was attacked that the the man that grabbed the boy off of the bicycle
00:51:15
that grabbed him from behind uh he said that the man his hand rre of cigarette smoke you know this so this person
00:51:23
grabbed him off of his bike and and wrapped his hand around the boy's mouth so he couldn't scream and the whole time
00:51:31
the boy is smelling this this hand that's wreaking of cigarette smoke so there's one there's one indicator on
00:51:38
your suspect along with the the mask the gun the knife the same verbage and the you know the this approximate age of the
00:51:49
of the victims you know and another thing that he did too was um you know he he told him shut up or I will kill you
00:51:57
this is the boy was taking off of his bike uh he unzipped the boy's jeans and he had a knife on this attack the asent
00:52:03
had a knife here and he used the knife you said that you heard in the clip he said he used it to cut my hair he used
00:52:10
it to cut to saw some of the boy's sandy blonde hair off and took it as some kind
00:52:14
of like some kind of sick weird souvenir I guess right there's a lot of uh pieces of hair in this case now
00:52:22
real quick here we got to give some props some let's give some big props to a lady named Joy Baker um she is one of
00:52:29
the voices that you heard in the clip there and uh she should get some big props because she is uh the reason that
00:52:36
this development got brought to light um Joy Baker is a writer you can find her blog online she blogs about several
00:52:43
things but for quite some time she had a Blog solely for and regarding the Jacob
00:52:48
werling case and she you heard her say there that you know this was not Backpage news this was not on page page
00:52:55
five or page six when she went out cuz she suspected you know if there were two boys that were interviewed following the
00:53:02
Jacob wling case that there was probably more boys and she was the one that started to find these boys she went to
00:53:08
the went to the library started checking out the microfilm and searching through
00:53:12
the old newspapers and found these attacks and started reaching out to some of these victims and then these other
00:53:18
victims come forward and they all have very similar stories describing a very similar guy who's saying the same things
00:53:25
uh sh you know he's got the same weapon in most of these attacks and he's you know from time to time disguising
00:53:32
himself by wearing a mask and actually that that description of that mask like terrifies me you know what I mean when
00:53:37
you think about it's like a made a homemade mask from made from carpet you know what what is it just is it just
00:53:45
like a carpet Hood draped over your face with two eyeholes I I didn't see you know there's no there's no uh evidence
00:53:51
of this actual mask other than the victim's description yeah you know but it's very Zodiac Killer to me almost you know
00:53:59
it's that's what it reminds me of and and it's it's so much like you know this person we talked about are these all um
00:54:09
you know opportune opportunity attacks or is this something that this person is working towards or putting some thought
00:54:15
into and clearly in this in this particular situation he's manufacturing these masks on his own to avoid
00:54:25
being you know oh a man wearing a scream mask abducted me well you might be able
00:54:31
to trace that at some point yeah I mean to me like I said I think it's it's somebody that is doing a lot of planning
00:54:38
uh beforehand and then driving around trolling right and looking for opportunities those boys started coming
00:54:44
forward in May of 2014 now later that same year in October of 2014 marked the 25y year anniversary of the Abduction of
00:54:52
Jacob wling and there was still no answers it's still unsolved at this time well Patty wling sat down with CNN and
00:55:00
they did the following story called five questions for my child's abductor uh the
00:55:05
first question she wanted to ask is who are you uh she states I believe that somebody knows it's time to quit
00:55:13
protecting the bad guy even if it is a family member it's time to speak up for Jacob please tell me who took our son
00:55:20
and if you are the abductor it's time to tell you cannot feel good about this find some peace and write back mhm the
00:55:28
next question she asked is is Jacob still alive she says that sometimes the phone rings and there's no there's no
00:55:36
one there it's probably a telemarketer or a wrong number but her heart cries out Jacob are you there right I and she
00:55:43
states that she saves articles of kids coming home after long periods of time 3 months 9 months four months 7 10 18
00:55:52
years later you know she didn't want to give up hope yeah these things can happen and she states I don't know so I
00:55:58
hope and I pray that you got away Jacob we need you back we love you more than the flowers love the sun and the rain my
00:56:05
heart wants to be wants to believe that you're okay uhhuh the next question was uh what made you think you could take a
00:56:13
child yeah she says Jacob is so deeply loved and missed by his mom dad brother sister cousins neighbors and friends I
00:56:21
have read a lot about kidnappers and child molesters and I know that they are all people human beings that need help
00:56:28
maybe you feel bad maybe you told someone but I still live with so many questions like how could you and how
00:56:35
could anyone still keep this Secret After All These Years you can Free Yourself of carrying this please explain
00:56:42
this to me and then she would ask uh why didn't you let him go yeah she wants to
00:56:47
know what happened you probably had other boys that you victimized and released I think you meant to let him go
00:56:54
and something went terribly wrong I need to know what happened please talk to me
00:56:58
and this is such a tough thing that you know a mother would have to go through just even this this hypothetical
00:57:04
questions that she would ask in the last one being uh what was the last thing that Jacob said to you yeah she states
00:57:11
that Jacob had a keen sense of fairness and always stood up for people who he thought needed an ally or a friend he
00:57:18
probably would have befriended you too I need to hear his voice again or to hear
00:57:23
the last words he said if he can't speak them to me himself please tell me what he said and like I said before I mean
00:57:31
this is a really tough thing that a mother would have to deal with you know her 11-year-old boy goes missing and
00:57:37
he's been missing for so long but I think she took this opportunity to talk to CNN to you know one I mean just to
00:57:44
get the message out to all parents and you know protect your children know where your parent your children are do
00:57:50
as much as you can to protect your children let people know that these monsters are real and they are out there
00:57:56
and this could happen to your family I think she did it for that reason but I also think she did it for the reason of
00:58:02
maybe that the the killer would hear this or the abductor would hear this MH and that he would this would weigh on
00:58:10
his conscience and then maybe he would be able maybe he'd come forward maybe he would confess to this or confess to
00:58:18
somebody or maybe somebody would hear this and start connecting the dots and maybe he's had like this extreme stress
00:58:24
of always looking over his shoulder because of this one bad thing that he did and she's giving him an opportunity
00:58:31
to reach reach out to us and take this weight off your shoulders give us some closure tell us what happened turn
00:58:39
yourself in you won't have to live with this stress anymore even though she will
00:58:43
have to continue to always live with it yeah but at least you would get some closure yeah and that that to me shows
00:58:50
the strength of the wetterling family now and she's on the road to some form of closure and on the way to getting
00:58:58
some answers because in 2015 there's a man and his name is Daniel James Heinrich he's a white man in his early
00:59:05
50s from anandale Minnesota uh and he is named as a person of interest in the Jacob Wetland case Daniel or Dany as he
00:59:14
is better known uh by his friends and relatives was the subject of a child pornography investigation they had found
00:59:22
with him a child pornography most of this involving young boys and they also found videotapes that apparently
00:59:29
Heinrich had filmed himself of boys in public that the boys were unaware that they were being filmed right law
00:59:36
enforcement obviously got a search warrant but on those warrants see on these warrants here they have to State
00:59:43
what it is that they are seeking and they have to be somewhat specific about this and so a lot of times if you're
00:59:49
able to view these warrants it will give you some insight as to what a what law enforcement officials may actually
00:59:57
suspect one is guilty of so for Danny heinrich's uh search warrant M some of the items that they had listed and that
01:00:06
they were searching for included human remains a red t-shirt with the name wetterling on the back a red hockey
01:00:15
jacket with the name Jacob on the front so these are very specific items and this is of course linking him
01:00:21
immediately to the Jacob werland case so Dany was facing child porn charges in 2015 but after that he strikes a deal
01:00:31
with the prosecutor in the summer of 2016 this is after he's convicted before right yeah he's actually convicted and
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he's going to spend life in in jail for the child por pornography charges well I
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don't know if it was life but it was certainly a good amount of time I think it I I I maybe I'm wrong but I think it
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was life so they keep they I mean also mind you that he is an older gentleman now so you yeah you know uh a 30 40e
01:01:00
sentence could technically be life so in the summer of 2016 this is when he he creates this deal uh with the prosecutor
01:01:10
and I don't know who came up with the idea of this deal um but the he ends up leading them to the
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remains of Jacob wling on September 3rd 20 16 Patty says that the remains of her
01:01:28
son had been recovered uh but she couldn't speak further on the issue it was kind of interesting though because
01:01:35
you know they may they had this report that came out that they're going to you know he's he is going to tell them where
01:01:40
the remains are then they had law enforcement out there and they did find Rema remains now the next question was
01:01:48
is this of Jacob or is it somebody else and and I think the parents had to assume right when they found out that
01:01:54
they found remains they just had to assume and Brace themselves for that it's probably going to be Jacob yeah and
01:02:01
there were some details of that um confession and that agreement uh the plea bargain that they had come up with
01:02:08
that we can get into in a bit here but it was on September 6th that Daniel James Heinrich confessed to the
01:02:15
abduction sexual assault and murder of 11-year-old Jacob wling now here's the thing the whole state the
01:02:24
whole country you know the there wasn't too many people that didn't know about this case especially in that area and so
01:02:32
you're talking about of course you have a family and friends and loved ones of Jacob that have been hurting like you
01:02:38
wouldn't believe for so long but you also almost had a community that was in mourning as well so when the prosecutor
01:02:45
came to an agreement with the eventual killer there was a lot of backlash from the public stating you know how could
01:02:51
you give a deal to this guy right um he ends up getting a deal that would convict him of of only child pornography
01:03:00
charges he's not going to be charged with the murder of Jacob wling that was part of the deal um and he's only going
01:03:06
to receive 17 to 20 years so he could potentially get out when he's in his early 70s now right but I think it was
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more important for the family to get closure well it definitely was and I think here the problem was that they had
01:03:20
no evidence against this guy and a lot well and a lot of to the law enforcement will actually put excuse me they'll
01:03:29
actually put the decision on the family hey we have this information he claims that he can lead us to Jacob uh we're
01:03:37
going to give him this deal is that okay with you right and that's exactly what happened now I have heard that had he
01:03:46
not been able to lead them to the remains there were certain stipulations of this AG right then the deal's off
01:03:51
yeah if you can't read lead us to the remains we're not going to believe you uh right because right then the family
01:03:56
gets zero closure and furthermore you know they wanted to make sure the wetterlings agreed to this deal um by
01:04:03
this point of course Patty and Jerry have to they just kind of have to know at this point you know um the other
01:04:10
thing too is that he had to confess and tell exactly what took place and what exactly happened and he stated that uh
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he had parked his car uh down the road a little bit he went and he hid he had saw
01:04:24
the boys going to the told you I told you there was a car involved yeah he he saw the boys going to the Tom Thor thumb
01:04:32
store right right to rent a movie and he thought you know what I will Ambush them
01:04:36
on their way back and he he kind of put his car at a distance he abducted Jacob he he had Jacob in the vehicle with him
01:04:44
they drove to a remote location uh there he he assaulted the boy and he says he says a couple things happen that that
01:04:54
Jacob had asked him if he you know he said he was cold and he wanted to go home and the Danny says I can't take you
01:05:03
home um which which is weird to me because I had always wondered you know the the this abduction and what he did
01:05:10
almost sounded like a Ser a potential serial offender uh maybe serial murderer and him saying that I cannot take you
01:05:18
home almost tells me that that he determined when he abducted the boy that he was going to kill him right um he
01:05:25
then told the boy that he that Jacob needed to turn around so that Dan could take a pee and when when the boy turned
01:05:33
around he shot him in the back of the head um before this took place I think Jacob was getting a feeling like
01:05:40
something wasn't going to work out when when he told him that he couldn't take him home uh Jacob had asked uh Dan you
01:05:47
know what did I do wrong what what did I do wrong yeah um it's it's a heartbreaking story there's there's no
01:05:55
good of this I mean there there has been you know the wetterlings have been so involved in in other uh helping other
01:06:03
children and other families of of these type of crimes um it's it's just heartbreaking to to recount this uh
01:06:12
shortly after Jacob had passed away um Dany he stop calling him Danny like you know call him Dan I don't know why well
01:06:22
I apologize but that's what he's referred to to in the news as but it makes him sound like way more innocent
01:06:27
for some you know what I mean so so Dan Hinrich he he attempted to bury Jacob uh
01:06:33
he was unable to do so um he went and found a I guess there was Construction in the area uh he found a bobcat you
01:06:41
know one of those little miniature bulldozer type things and he used that to unearth some ground and he put Jacob
01:06:49
in there and he he buried him um at some point he was question um he was questioned in the Jacob in the
01:06:57
uh Jared attack um because he had a vehicle that matched the description that Jared had given the police uh he
01:07:04
also had a police scanner in his car um he ended up at some point he got scared and he went back to where he had buried
01:07:13
the child and he noticed that he didn't do didn't do a very good job because at some point there was uh the jacket was
01:07:21
showing was now visible and so he buried the boy one more time um and there unfortunately Jacob remained until this
01:07:30
case was solved late you know last year after they got the answers that they were
01:07:37
looking for in the Jacob werling case um it was confirmed uh Jared the other victim uh who was let go he he did say
01:07:47
that yes after seeing Dan Heinrich uh and hearing him talk he was able to confirm that that was the man that took
01:07:54
him yeah um and it's also believed and very likely if not confirmed in some cases that he was also the the attacker
01:08:03
or the attempted to attack other boys in that Paynesville area yeah I mean this if you and I'll post a picture online
01:08:10
for you guys to see his mug shots and and then later on there there's there's two shots that I'll I'll send one I
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think right when he was arrested early in in 2015 and then one a couple years later or now his recent picture but he
01:08:25
grew out this beard and he looks a little different but either way this guy is a very
01:08:31
intimidating uh individual and normally I see these mug shots and stuff not super intimidated by a lot of the people
01:08:38
you know like you know Bundy I mean even though he's vicious doesn't you know scare me just on looks alone but but
01:08:45
this guy uh he he there's kind of a chill to his eyes and everything it's very uh very evil not not all always can
01:08:54
you see the monster on the outside the monster that's hiding on the inside with him it it's almost obvious you know um
01:09:03
in a sense and one of the things I I wonder if he had some trauma as a as a kid himself he he did that's another
01:09:10
long story um and but I don't know that he was so much a victim I've looked into
01:09:16
that story he may have been a victim so I don't want to put my stamp on anything
01:09:20
but it sounds to me like he may have been a willing participant uh in some of in some of that situation um
01:09:28
he see yeah it seems like a lot of times though it's like um like they they're wrestling with
01:09:35
something and that maybe that it won't get this far maybe it won't get to the point where you're actually abducting a
01:09:41
kid maybe it's not going to get to the point where you're you're assaulting the kid it's then it obviously it's not
01:09:47
going to lead to you uh abducting them assaulting them and then murdering them and obviously there's something either
01:09:53
just off or trauma or whatever but God you wish that this stuff never happened and I don't know if he planned to kill
01:10:01
whoever he abducted when he set out that night or once he saw the boys i' I've I've gone through his statement time and
01:10:08
time again and I go back and forth because you know that's like I said when he says I can't take you home well did
01:10:14
that mean like the Jared situation where you drive him somewhat near the home and
01:10:18
let him go or what if that meant uh you know what if you know what if in the other cases the boys didn't actually see
01:10:26
his face and what if in this case he he had the mask off for whatever reason yeah you know and and therefore because
01:10:34
Jacob saw his face that that he he felt that he had to kill him you know he he claims that uh he had heard a police
01:10:43
siren at some point and he panicked okay uh and and that's when he when he killed
01:10:49
him um I that could be an excuse that very likely could could be some kind of excuse um I don't know see I go back and
01:10:57
forth on that Captain because if you're going to panic you hear a police siren I
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would assume police are near I'm not going to want to fire a loud gun either way this guy is a sick evil individual
01:11:10
yeah and I'd like to be like I'd like to try to be like a big better more peaceful person than what I am and I I I
01:11:17
don't want to be and I I almost regret hearing these words come out of my mouth but he's going to spend s to 20 years if
01:11:24
he gets off with good behavior yeah 17 years and no I'm not saying that it's worth it I'm not saying
01:11:31
it's worth that that equals that it equals out what I'm saying is I would mind if something you know
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get a little prison Justice uh it happens uh yeah well hopefully that you know there there's some real Justice and
01:11:45
that uh they connect him in other cases and they can tack on charges I mean and and I'm glad that there's some closure
01:11:52
for the family but uh you know I want to see this guy spend the rest of his life
01:11:56
in jail yeah they do they did have some speculations some stipulations in that agreement and I don't know that they are
01:12:03
allowed legally to talk to him about other cases other than Jared or Jacobs um unfortunately that's that's the
01:12:10
situation right but that doesn't mean that they can't go back and reinvestigate these cases they know that
01:12:16
this monster is behind jail they have 17 years to figure it out and keep him behind bars yeah and he could have he
01:12:23
could have Jacob go that's the thing here he could have let Jacob go he let other people go but for whatever reason
01:12:28
whether he planned it or didn't plan it at some point he decided that a few years of my freedom is worth more than
01:12:35
the life of this child and it's I mean it's the worst of the worst right but it doesn't even matter if you if you kept
01:12:43
him you know if you let him go I mean anybody that sexually assaults a kid should spend their life in jail there
01:12:51
shouldn't be like 10 years because you ruined somebody's life or you drastically affected somebody's life
01:12:58
spend the rest of your life in prison thinking about what you did you stupid piece of [ __ ] you know that's the way I
01:13:03
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