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crime. >> [music] >> I had a tip come in through Messenger, and they listed a name of someone that
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they believe could be involved in Brian's disappearance, and I decided that it was so so specific that I would
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turn it in to the Columbus Police Department. And when I was talking to a detective, and I said the person's name
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that was given to me, the detective was very shocked that I even knew that name,
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and he had been on Columbus Police Department's radar since 2006. Kelly then shared on her social media that
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someone with Columbus police allegedly provided her with more information, including that police dug up a basement
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in a house near Lane Avenue in relation to Brian's case. In 2020, when Brian got
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a new detective, this person's name came up again. I'm not sure how, but um they decided that they were going to go
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to the location where this person lived in 2006, and when they walked in the house, um
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they noticed that a portion of the concrete in the basement looked different than the rest of the concrete.
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So, they left, and they went to a judge, and they got a warrant to go and dig up
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the basement. And when they did, all of they found was an old fuel oil tank that
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had been capped off and then recovered. Columbus police declined to confirm this
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information with NBC4, or share any further details about Brian's disappearance, stating, "We will not go
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into specific case information, but I can tell you this is still an active and ongoing investigation.
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Investigators continue to receive tips regarding this case and are following up on all tips received, which includes
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conducting interviews." However, Corbet also shared that he was separately given the same information by
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someone close to the case. There was a dig not too far from the Ugly Tuna Saloona in the basement of a place that
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is believed was resided in by an individual that was with Brian on occasion. Now, that night, can I confirm
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it? No. The police do know who he is. They have interviewed him at least once, I believe twice. The dig did not really
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come out with anything. While the tip did not result in an arrest in Brian's case, the podcast hosts believe it could
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be significant. It just breeds more questions because when an individual says, "Yeah, well, we we searched that
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house." Well, what was the information that got them to get the search warrant? Like, you can't just willy-nilly go dig
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up somebody's basement. >> And regarding this tip specifically, Columbus Police Department, they decided
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that the tip was worth its weight, and they investigated it. Patrick, Nick, and Kelly hope that their coverage and
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sharing the information about the basement dig can lead to answers in Brian's case. We're lucky enough to have
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a very big, very broad audience. The internet is a powerful place, and people will dig into these leads that maybe
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we've not been able to find much more out about. Somebody else might be able to uh do that. But if you've only heard
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10% of the true story, well, then how much can you actually look into? >> [music]
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>> Well, [music] we did it, Captain. We were successful once again. That's right. Crowd goes wild. Actually, you
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know, to peel back the curtain here a bit, we set out to do this event, which was
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held in Canal Winchester, Ohio, a suburb of Columbus, at our one of our favorite
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places in Central Ohio, BrewDog, which where they brew all the beer, and they have the dog house where you can stay
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overnight, and they let us host our event in the beer museum there at the front of the building, and it was a
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sold-out crowd. We had hoped when we put this thing together back in February of
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this year that the turnout would be great, and that we would be able to donate $10,000 was our goal to
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>> Yeah. the Porchlight Project because our audience, our beautiful, beautiful listeners, sexy.
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Sexy. Sexy nasty. >> Some of them nasty, too. [laughter] You know who I'm talking to, subscribers.
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You nasty. But Real nasty. [laughter] Real nasty. But I don't know if this is a a great thing to say to our beautiful
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listeners. >> That's right. But because they're so awesome, and they care, and they are
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loyal, uh and we are very thankful, we had a great crowd this last weekend here, and we're able to double up on
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what we raised for Porchlight, sending $20,000 to Porchlight for Ohio cold cases, and
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we are going to be using that for some missing persons cases, which is so very fitting because the theme of the night
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was Brian Shaffer's been missing for 20 years. April 1st, Yeah. >> in fact, marked 20 years since Brian
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Shaffer, a 27-year-old Ohio State medical student, went missing from the OSU campus. As said, we did our
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six-part series back in February. So, if you've not listened to that, that is the
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that is what you want to go back and listen to here because it I did not realize when we put that out what the
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aftermath of those podcasts would be. We were hoping to stir the pot, and boy, did we ever because
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>> some [ __ ] That's right. Columbus went crazy with the amount of Brian Shaffer news
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coverage from the big news outlets here after our February episodes. Well, part of that was the episodes, and part of
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that was the anniversary of him going missing. But also, I've been talking with Kelly
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for over a year now. It's probably been hundreds of hours that we've talked about things. So, it was it was always
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interesting to me cuz I kept on saying that we got to get Kelly on. We're going to talk about the Shafer case and she's
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going to give so many more details and so many more updates of what's been happening
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for the last 10 years. And we thought maybe one or two episodes turns out to be six. And again, the news
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coverage and I have to applaud Kelly for that as well because we have to go on to the next case. We
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have to start researching and and preparing everything for the next week. So, she was just a champion at getting a
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hold of all those individuals and getting the word out about the the podcast and the updates in the case.
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Yes, and Kelly was one of the persons that was on our panel at our event. What we have here, Captain, is a lot of
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people reached out to us because this event was a one-time-only deal and it was in Central Ohio. Not
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everybody can just put down and stop what they're doing and travel all the way to Ohio to go to this event on a
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Saturday evening. So, we had a lot of folks reach out to us on social, a lot of emails, and a lot of uh people
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communicating to us that I can't be there. I can't travel to get out there, but I want to witness it or I want to
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experience it. Can you will it be recorded in some form or fashion? And if so, will you be
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releasing it on the podcast? Well, the recording portion of that would be quite difficult. There was a lot of moving
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parts and pieces and we would probably have to hire Steven Spielberg to direct the whole thing to deliver it in a way
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and package it in a way that would make sense that it would not would not hurt your beautiful ear balls. Well, but and
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to be honest, his work has been kind of shotty lately. Well, but we promised those folks that
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reached out to us that we would not shy away from it and we would at least report on
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what the takeaways were from the event because we had people there. It was really amazing to me. First off,
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again, shout out to the beautiful listeners because they we held a Q&A. Yeah. And the questions were great. So,
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to kick things off, first of all, we had four people in the audience of 200 that
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had never heard of the case. They didn't they were kind of tag-alongs. They've listened to the show a few times, but
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they were spouse with the person who was there in attendance. And so, we had to bring them up to speed a little bit. And
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then we went into a little bit more of the finer points, a lot that we talked about in our February coverage. And then
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Kelly and her friend Meredith, who together they run the Brian Shafer Dead or Alive Facebook page, they
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brought the audience up to speed on things that have transpired >> since our episodes came out in February
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because they've had a lot of people reach out to them. There's been a tip that came in that
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made its way to police and to the news via Kelly. So, that's something we should update folks about. Yeah, so
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let's start with the tip. So, it's not a new tip, but we talked about this tip in
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the six-part series. There was a lady in 2006 that worked with this individual at a landscaping company. They were at a
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little gathering. The topic of the Brian Shafer case came up. It was on everybody's mind, especially people in
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the campus area. He made a weird comment like, "Well, he's never going to be found." He takes a sip of his beer and
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he gives her a odd look. There's other things about him that kind of creeped her out a little bit.
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And eventually, they bring this individual in for questioning and I think because of that and because of her
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reaching out to law enforcement cuz she reaches out to law enforcement and says,
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"Hey, this happened. I don't know if it's anything, but there you go." So, once they bring him
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in for questioning, I think that kind of creeped her out even more. So, she ends
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up leaving that job. That's to me a significant deal because you're going to have to get a new job just because
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you're creeped out by this individual. Now, there's more to that story. So, Kelly
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was on the phone with Detective Edwards, which was one of the initial detectives
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on this case. He was saying that when they were giving the polygraph test to Meredith that they believed everything
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that she said, but in this one moment when they asked her, "Is there anybody that you think could
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be responsible for this crime?" She said, "No." And they felt like that was the only answer that she gave that she
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wasn't being completely truthful. So, like what when we talked to the polygraph expert, you have the
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interview, then you have the polygraph test, and then you have another interview. Well, that either becomes an
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interview or it becomes an interrogation. And so, they didn't want to press her because again, they believed everything
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she was saying except for this one answer. Now, all the detectives and everybody working this case
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when she said that she didn't believe when Meredith said that she didn't know who could be responsible and they they
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again, they indicated this that she was being deceptive there. They thought that she was going to then name
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Clint as somebody being possibly involved. But, she didn't say Clint's name. She said this other individual's
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name. That individual is the same individual that the other tipster gave. And so, when we're talking about this
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tip in the six-part series, I thought it was a nothing burger. But, when the detective that worked this case is
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telling and and basically, what happened was he said the guy's first name and then Kelly said his last name and the
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and I'm paraphrasing here, but the detectives basically said like, "Holy [ __ ] How do you know that name?"
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And then she explained this other tip. So, I don't know if Edwards was privy to this and and I don't want to go down a
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crazy conspiracy rabbit hole, but Detective Edwards seemed to be interested in talking and sharing
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information. Even said he was going to try to get the transcripts from the polygraph test and then he just
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kind of disappeared. Now, people are busy. People have a lot on their plate. He worked this case a long time ago.
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He's not currently working the case. He has no obligation to follow up on this stuff. But, he may have also run into
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trouble actually procuring those transcripts. Uh it's you know, >> Very possible.
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>> not always entirely up to one individual if something can be one obtained and then two shared. Right.
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And I know that Detective Edwards is retiring soon. So, a lot of these detectives
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will get uh I think they have to apply for it, but they can apply to get case files or copies of case files to
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possibly work on something in retirement and I think that's something that Detective Edwards is
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looking forward to doing to be able to get the case files and and to continue work on this as well as John Hersh,
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the lead detective on this case, I'm assuming has got more information or has got case
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files because he's currently working on a a book about the Brian Shafer case. So, one thing that surprised me and and
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please, if this wasn't if you don't share the same takeaway Uh-huh. from our event, but one thing that surprised me
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was I was getting the vibe from the room that the majority of the people there Look, we all agreed, right? The room
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This was This was a beautiful moment for the case because I don't think that there's ever been a moment like this
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before in 20 years of Brian Shafer having been missing. Right. >> That we had a whole room of people that
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collectively we agreed we don't know, right? It's everybody has a theory or a thought or suspicions in this case, but
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we agreed collectively as a room that there isn't enough to for anybody to find a hill that they're willing to die
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on and that it is a mystery for many, many reasons. We simply don't know. But, the vibe I got, Captain, was that maybe
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a large portion of that room, more people in that room than I had anticipated, seemed to lean toward the
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idea that he's walked away. Yeah, and just to stay on that tip for a little bit,
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to me, all it does is bring up more questions. Mhm. How does Meredith know this individual?
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Was this individual out at the bar that night? If so, I haven't been able to find this individual on surveillance,
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but it's it's it's grainy surveillance at best. And there there's also multiple exits. So, did they possibly leave at a
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out of a different exit? Also, there's a there's a age gap, only only by a handful of years, but how did this
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individual know Brian? And did he know anybody else that was supposed to be there that night?
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And then the first tip that came in about the weird comment at a party, does this individual know Meredith?
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And so, there's all these questions. I have the name. I did a extensive background check on
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him. I've talked to several private investigators about him. He's not, I would say, readily available
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online. There's not a lot of information about him. And I had his number, so I called his
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number and left three messages. And that that Look, that's my rule. After three times of him not responding
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at all, like, at some point it becomes harassment, right? And I'm not in the business of that.
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And I I'm just curious cuz this information could be a big deal, or it could just be a lead that they followed
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that led to nowhere. >> Yeah, I absolutely agree with that. And um this is So, there was another tip
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that came in. And again, with some of these tips, we have to point out that while
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they're worth reporting here because they are new to the public, but they're not necessarily new to law enforcement
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in a lot of these cases. And there was the tip about the the uneven basement, the odd-looking basement, a tip that led
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to police wanting to dig Yeah, that tip is connected to this tip. So, when they they eventually brought this individual
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in for questioning, then they did a search of the property that he lived at at the time of the
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disappearance. 2006, yep. And there's some speculation that maybe there's some cell phone pings that line up with that
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location, so they end up doing a search of the house. When they go to the basement, they see some discoloration
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and maybe some unevenness in the basement, so they end up getting a dig. To me, that seems like a a very hard
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thing to get, but the the thing I question, too, is the homeowner might not have fought that
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too much. No, for Actually, from my understanding of this, when they were approached,
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that they agreed that if if you think it's necessary, law enforcement, we are willing to allow you to to search and
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and dig and uh just hey, make it make it like you found it when you leave. Uh as
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you know, and And but the other the other problem >> what? Like a fuel can. It It turns out
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that it was We can say it was completely nothing, which it absolutely was, but we
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weren't the ones digging in the basement. It was Columbus PD. So, they must Whatever that information was that
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came into them and then later makes its way to Kelly and the Brian Shaffer Dead or Alive Facebook page, it was worthy
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enough in law enforcement's mind to pursue and to talk to the current homeowners and then to actively dig.
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>> Yeah, and this brings up a lot of questions in my mind of of did they do any other searches on the property
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because digging up a basement and burying somebody and then laying down concrete would not be
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the easiest of things. This individual had some knowledge as far as landscaping goes, so did they do any search in the
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backyard? Did they bring in any special equipment or cadaver dogs or anything of that nature cuz that that would be
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interesting to me. Well, it'd be easier to dig in the backyard than it would be in the basement. Now, I'm sure I have
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the feeling that you are aware of the address of that home. We don't need to say that here. I don't know the the
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address, but I do know this. That part of town, that part of Columbus, near the campus area, a lot of those homes are
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Some of them are very old and were built many, many decades ago. And I do know with several cases that
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we've covered that when you find a case where someone might be buried in the basement or suspicion
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of somebody being buried in the basement, I actually think of a case that that there was somebody located.
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Right. >> Back then, with these older homes, you did have portions of the basement that
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were not poured concrete, that might be crawl space-like spaces or that they might be even ground.
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>> Well, and that's again information I don't know. Is this a full basement or is this a half basement with a crawl
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space area? It's weird to me, and again, I don't I don't want to sound like I'm going down this crazy
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rabbit hole conspiracy theory, but it feels very much by design that somebody quickly reached out after those six-part
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series to give this information to Kelly. And this leads to other questions. Did they Did they reach out
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to Kelly to try to get this information out to the public? And were they hopeful
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that she actually shared this individual's name? Well, that's interesting because what we do know is
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Columbus PD already had a portion of or all of this information. Yes, they did. And so, that goes to your question there
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of what is the motive of the person delivering this information? Is it the same person that delivered this
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information to police um and never received any type of follow-up? Or did they think more could
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be done with this? Did they just wanted to get it out there in the public? The other thing though, back to, you know,
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you had said that individual's never seen on surveillance footage and it's grainy footage. Brian Shaffer also not
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seen on that same footage. And one thing that I can say is it looks like every officer with intimate knowledge of this
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case and this investigation and the search of the Ugly Tuna and the surrounding area,
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they've all said the same thing. They believe he made it out of there that night.
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And yet there's no there's no one ever telling us that they have conclusively spotted him on on not just the Ugly Tuna
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or the Gateway Campus building surveillance footage, but on any of the surrounding businesses' surveillance
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footage as well. There's no business of Brian Shaffer on the business surveillance, right? But but it's a
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weird comment by Detective John Hurst to say his analogy or his explanation of it
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was, "We know that a 101 people came into the bar and we can account for 100 of them." And I just don't think that's
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a true statement because if you watch the the surveillance footage, people go down the escalator, people go down the
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steps, but there's also another exit to the right, and whoever went down that way, nobody would have been seen on
00:26:45
surveillance. We also know that there's multiple employees that weren't seen on surveillance. And that would be easy to
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detect because of their uniforms and their their Ugly Tuna Saloon uh t-shirts, collector's item. And then
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also we have band members. You would think that we'd see individuals carrying equipment. We don't see that on
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surveillance as well. This is the part And I was saying this at the event. I feel like there's a little bit of egg on
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my face because we've talked about this case several times. When I've talked to John Hurst and even
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in interviews now, he kind of implies that there's reason to believe or some kind of evidence that points to the to
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that Brian would have turned right and went out that exit, and that's what I call the elevator exit. But there's
00:27:33
another emergency exit right by the bar. Where does that exit go out of? It goes
00:27:40
out a emergency door Mhm. or maybe a service a service door right out the front, right to the courtyard of the
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Gateway. So, if you're looking at the Ugly Tuna, you're outside the Ugly Tuna, and you're looking, there's four glass
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doors. And I don't think they're marked like entrance or exit, but people just normally enter the two right glass doors
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and leave out of the two left glass doors. If you're looking at the front of the
00:28:12
building, you see those four glass doors, but to the right, you'll see these service doors or these emergency
00:28:18
exit doors. And so, it's a very good possibility if he went to the restroom or he went to talk to the band
00:28:26
and the bouncers and security are And we've all been there. It's closing time. They got to herd these individuals like
00:28:34
cats out the front exit. Is it possible that he was talking to the band or talking to somebody, he gets past that
00:28:42
herd of people and decides instead of trying to go through a herd of of this small crowd, that he's just
00:28:49
going to take the emergency exit and walk out the front door. So, that is a possibility, but
00:28:57
time and time again, the police make assumptions or again, I don't know what evidence
00:29:04
they have that points them into that direction that he left out of that elevator exit. [music]
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00:31:15
You not nasty people. Talk hands in the air. Yeah, I shouldn't assume that everybody wants to be called
00:31:21
nasty. I mean, I prefer it. This is where it gets difficult for me to throw up a talk hand with excitement
00:31:30
because I really sit here 20 years later with the belief that I think that alcohol's clouded a lot of the events of
00:31:38
that night that would be Maybe this wouldn't be such a big mystery or maybe we would have some answers if people had
00:31:46
answers to give early on and maybe they didn't because they're out partying that
00:31:50
night. They're The bar is the centerpiece of this mystery. But back to what you were saying before we took our
00:31:59
quick beer break there, I think that Okay, so one thing we have here is it seems like it and I I don't want to say
00:32:08
a unified front because that makes it sound like they had some kind of secret meeting and all agreed that this is what
00:32:13
we're going to agree upon that he made it out that night. But every law enforcement member that I've talked to
00:32:20
or every law enforcement individual that has given an interview that I have reviewed as well as private
00:32:28
investigators that have given interviews that I've seen, all of them say the same
00:32:32
thing that they are very much strongly of the belief that he Brian Shaffer did in fact make it out of the bar, make it
00:32:40
out of the building that night. Yeah. And I Look, I said this when we covered it in
00:32:46
February, the first part of this anyway, that I I question if they if one of them
00:32:52
or all of them or some of them have something that is an indicator that he made it out. Something that is telling
00:32:59
them that yes, in fact he did make it out. Now, circle back to that idea of saying that
00:33:06
that your maybe your clue, maybe your evidence I guess that he did make it out is that you found no evidence that he
00:33:16
that he's still there or that he or that he was killed inside of that building. Absolutely. And I think the other thing,
00:33:23
too, and they haven't came out and said this, but with the scent dogs, I think it's my personal opinion that these
00:33:31
scent dogs did pick up on a scent and they did follow that scent out of the building and uh possibly across the
00:33:38
street. So, again, the lack of evidence of him being there and maybe possible scent dog evidence that lead them out of
00:33:46
the building. And again, if he was in drywall or he was in a drop down ceiling at some
00:33:54
point, we're going to smell you. Smell you later, right? And I did say this for the first time
00:34:02
cuz me and you were interviewed for a a possible documentary. I don't know how much we can say about that, but we were
00:34:10
interviewed for this documentary and it was one of those times where you say something, it just slips out. Mhm. But I
00:34:18
said he has every right to go missing. He has every right to go start a new life if he
00:34:25
chooses to. But at this point with all the resources and the time spent, he would kind of be a [ __ ] Oh, you
00:34:34
think? for not you know, and I made the joke, well well, maybe he'll show up at the event.
00:34:40
But again, he has every right to, but especially with people passing away in his family,
00:34:46
he could simply make contact with law enforcement, they could close the case, stop the resources that they're using
00:34:54
and and stop wasting people's time. And also, we have individuals in this case that people are very suspicious of
00:35:02
like Clint and I've heard second hand that he has almost every time the Shaffer story pops
00:35:10
up in the news, he he's getting threats by people through the internet and he's not the
00:35:15
easiest person to find. If he's out there, kind of kind of a kind of a douche canoe if you don't make contact
00:35:23
and say stop looking for me. >> is, yeah. Right, right. And I I actually said that opening up the event was that
00:35:32
you know, I I had one of the Pearl Jam Alive t-shirts. >> Yeah, very cool. And And for two
00:35:40
reasons. One, the the stick man drawing on the on the front of that t-shirt is from one of their concert tours from one
00:35:48
of their tours. And that's the same image, the same drawing that is the tattoo on Brian's arm. So, it was cool
00:35:56
to show the audience that and this wasn't anything new that the audience didn't already know with the exception
00:36:01
of those four people that I already mentioned, but it also says alive, Pearl Jam Alive. I had mentioned, you know, I
00:36:08
There is a big part of me that hopes that he that he is alive. I don't The part that the small part of me that
00:36:15
crushes that hope is the logical side of me that says it seems to be nearly impossible that he is still
00:36:24
alive. But I said if he is still alive, then then maybe he's just played some really Turns
00:36:31
out that he just played some really sick He's playing a bad, terrible, horrible joke on all of us. If he was trying to
00:36:38
leave to get away from his father or from life in general, who's to say? His father passed away 2 years after Brian
00:36:48
left. And he's still got a brother here, Derek, who I'm sure would love to have some answers. Love to see his brother
00:36:56
again. Well, that's interesting though because so many people in this case have stopped talking and and I get it. I
00:37:03
mean, some of these individuals, they've told their story to law enforcement, they've told their story to news
00:37:09
outlets, they've told their story to podcasters, they've told their story to dateliner or whoever's making
00:37:16
content about Brian Shaffer's case. At some point, you just feel like you're regurgitating the same information. I
00:37:24
know a lot of individuals I think it was Meredith, remember the night that they go to the
00:37:30
Ugly Tuna, it's Brian Shaffer, Clint and Meredith. Mhm. >> Meredith has written statements or given
00:37:38
statements that she gave to the police. She has copied those statements and gave
00:37:41
to private investigators. So, it's no shade if they're not interested in continuing the conversation or
00:37:50
regurgitating the same conversation, but so many individuals just have stopped talking
00:37:57
with people and and it's nice to have those outlets to reach out to cuz you can go, well, I got this little tiny
00:38:05
piece of information. For example, John Hurst states that there's no history of drug abuse
00:38:12
or drug addiction. And that's that's true, but I'd argue that his mother passed away a few weeks before he
00:38:19
goes missing. Is there any There doesn't have to be a history of it. It could just be a lost weekend. And so, does
00:38:26
drug use have any anything to do with this? We do have to watch our words though because you said that that
00:38:34
he has said that there was no history of drug abuse and no history of drug addiction. Right. I
00:38:42
when if he is choosing his words as carefully as I hope you are, drug use is very much different than abuse and
00:38:51
addiction. You see what I mean? Like you you could someone could recreationally use a substance or even alcohol or
00:38:58
something of that nature without it without it morphing into abuse or addiction. Yeah,
00:39:07
and and several individuals that knew Brian would and were friends with Brian, when we've
00:39:13
asked them, they go, well, Brian was very careful of what he was putting into his body.
00:39:19
And then my response has always been, but not with alcohol. Every time they go, well, that's a good point. Mhm.
00:39:27
Multiple bars that he went to that night, we have got information from those bars and employees of those bars
00:39:34
that there was employees of the bar selling drugs. And then in the Joey LaPute case,
00:39:42
which was not in the same area, but within miles of the same area, we have sources that say that these
00:39:49
bartenders were drugging customers. Like all these customers kind of being a jerk, we're going to drug them. So it
00:39:56
>> About about 9 10 years difference though too on those cases. I'd have to look
00:40:00
Joey's case up, but >> Yeah, absolutely, but it's is it a part of the equation? The other thing about
00:40:06
Brian that's I think it's really fascinating because there's moments. I made a weird bucket list like years
00:40:15
and years ago in my 20s, I believe, but it was just simple stuff like go to a movie by yourself, go out to eat by
00:40:22
yourself. And especially when I was traveling a bunch, you might be in a city and you have your other bandmates there,
00:40:31
but if they don't want to do something, I was the type of person that would just
00:40:36
well, I'm hungry, but nobody else wants to go eat, so I'm just going to stay in the hotel. Brian was an individual that
00:40:43
hey, I need to get away. I'm going to go away, whether it's for the the weekend,
00:40:48
I'm going to go visit some people at a different college. I'm going to reconnect with some friends or I'm just
00:40:55
going to go on a little vacation by myself. So what I've been pondering lately, is it possible
00:41:02
because he didn't take his guitars, he didn't take certain items that were precious to him.
00:41:08
So what I wonder is it is there a possibility that he's like, I'm going to go away on this trip on
00:41:15
Monday with my girlfriend, but that's not a solo trip. So is it possible that on Saturday he woke up and he's like,
00:41:22
I'm going to go visit somebody or I'm I'm going to go somewhere clear my head, get away before I go on this trip with
00:41:29
my girlfriend. And is it possible that during that time >> You could even give yourself right like
00:41:35
a full 24 36 hours before you have to be back and start prepping for your spring
00:41:40
break trip with your girlfriend. >> It's not that hard for a guy to pack for a vacation, right?
00:41:46
You're especially you're going to Miami, you're going to be hitting the beaches,
00:41:50
you're going to be going to the hotel pool probably, so most of the time you're going to spend half naked drunk
00:41:56
and hopefully wearing your bathing suit. But so is it possible that he left and went somewhere and then
00:42:03
heard about him missing and decided to stay gone or did he go somewhere to clear his head
00:42:11
and then that's where something bad happened because there's several people that have told us, hey, Brian was
00:42:18
somebody that would kind of disappear when we go out. Uh Brian was somebody that would also
00:42:24
get in confrontations. I mean, you know this more than others and and this is not a this is not a
00:42:31
criticism on you at all cuz I've been at the bars with you when there's a confrontation that happened that was no
00:42:38
fault to you, but we all know individuals that for whatever reason confrontation
00:42:46
just follows them. So Brian, I think sometimes was aggressive or just having a good time and sometimes that rubs
00:42:53
people the wrong way. So again, if he goes out and he's just going to clear his head, I'm going to be gone for 48
00:43:00
hours and he goes to a bar and gets in a confrontation and and then something happens to him
00:43:07
and it happens somewhere else, so now we we don't know where that crime scene is.
00:43:12
>> Yeah, I You have told me plenty of times and I I look for the humor in it, but I also
00:43:19
never push back because I've I've had experiences that tell me you are right. You've told me
00:43:26
several times that I have a very punchable face. Yes. >> And I've actually told a few people like
00:43:32
when invited somewhere, I'll go, nah, I don't want to go there. That sounds too risky, which
00:43:37
I'm the person that I love going to the dive bar out in the middle of nowhere. I
00:43:42
love going to weird strange places with other people or completely by myself. That that to I like adventure. I seek
00:43:50
out adventure and and for me adventure is not horseback riding through the wild west. It it's it's going to strange
00:43:58
places and hoping to meet interesting and unique people. But there's places that I just know I can't go or I don't
00:44:06
want to go because I've lived long enough and had experiences that tell me I'm walking
00:44:12
around with a target on my back. Yeah. I've I've had people that for whatever reason and it's only it's only men that
00:44:19
will will see me from across the room and decide to engage me in and wrap me up in a confrontation for
00:44:27
for no reason at all other than they spotted me across the room or spotted me and decided, I don't like that guy.
00:44:34
Yeah. Um And then and then there was several times when we were kids that that would happen or it would be they
00:44:42
thought I had a punchable face and you'd be in the the protective older brother said, nah,
00:44:48
you want to punch somebody, you're going to punch me. Uh but I look and I don't know if you still got it.
00:44:54
You look like you still got it. But I used to tell people all the time, he might be wiry, but he punches like a
00:45:02
goddamn mule. So good luck. >> [laughter] >> Well, to just expand on that cuz it
00:45:08
sounds like a dumb statement and some of the times I understand, look, I'm an outgoing person and sometimes I wake up
00:45:14
feeling very happy-go-lucky and so I can be boisterous or whatever and maybe that
00:45:19
that can rub people the wrong way. However, I've had at least two occasions in my life where I was just accosted for
00:45:28
no reason at all just because I happened to be One time I was in line at the bank
00:45:33
and another person in a male in the line just comes up and starts yelling at me and I I didn't even I didn't look at the
00:45:40
guy. I didn't even know that he was there until he was in my face and yelling at me. One time I was at a
00:45:44
stoplight and a car pulls up next to me and the passenger gets out of the vehicle and starts pounding on my window
00:45:52
to my to my car telling me to get out of the car. I've never seen this person before in my
00:45:58
life. So look, I don't know that that that's what happened to to Brian here, but so well,
00:46:05
let's circle back to some of the things that that were discussed at the event because one thing I found fascinating
00:46:11
here, Captain, was there were two people that I was able to confirm Yes. were present at the either at the
00:46:21
Campus Gateway building that night or in the actual Ugly Tuna Saloona that night that were that were at our
00:46:30
event. Yes, I I do want to give a quick shout out because like I said, so many people in this case
00:46:36
just stopped talking and that's their right, so I don't want to throw shade on them. But the two girls
00:46:43
that were talking with Brian and I'd argue there's three girls talking to Brian.
00:46:47
I would argue that you're right. But there's Amber and Brighton and they've been brought up often. They were
00:46:54
not questioned enough, I believe by law enforcement. I think you To me, I'd be going, why did he go to the bar? Who was
00:47:02
he with? Who did he talk to? Brian was supposed to walk these girls out to their car and didn't. So why weren't
00:47:09
they questioned more? But one of the individuals that I've been able to go back to time and time again and she's so
00:47:17
generous of her time is Brighton. It was so great to meet her. It was so I'm so glad that she came to the event. It's
00:47:24
something that has really bothered her because one, she was drinking pretty heavily that night. She's having a good
00:47:32
time. There's nothing wrong with that. And I think there's parts of that night that she can't fully remember the
00:47:39
details. So a lot of the stuff that she's relaying is just what has been relayed to her. And I think that bothers
00:47:46
her cuz I think she feels maybe there's some information inside her that she she
00:47:52
doesn't she's not able to unlock and that would be something tough to struggle with and she's struggled with
00:47:59
anxiety and other things and and for her to put all that aside and to come to the
00:48:04
event and help support this great cause, I mean, just amazing and and every time
00:48:10
I've reached out to her and I've texted her or called her, she's so giving of her time and and it
00:48:17
has at least furthered my my quote unquote investigation into this case. >> Yes, and when you say a couple things
00:48:26
with her when you say that she hasn't been talked to enough, that's not implying that she did something wrong or
00:48:35
that she knows of wrongdoing, Right. but it's more of well, what if if they were
00:48:42
able to interview her and others, if they could and did, what could they uncover? What could they cross-reference
00:48:50
with something one person says with another and then it may lead them in some direction. Now,
00:48:56
Brian's still missing. A case that we have coming up that we we're in the process of putting together
00:49:04
for the show that'll be out in days if not weeks. It is a story where we absolutely know
00:49:11
that a homicide occurred. There were multiple witnesses and we're told not to not to the news outlets, to us, to True
00:49:20
Crime Garage by the people that were there, I was interviewed three times. And it's a case now that one could argue
00:49:29
might be cold, a cold case homicide and we're we're told by several people that were there, I was interviewed three
00:49:34
times. I I interviewed at the scene, then I was interviewed at the police department later that evening, and then
00:49:40
all they circled back around one more time about two or three weeks later and it's been x amount of years. I don't
00:49:47
want to give too much away. X amount of years and I've never been talked to again. And I don't know why that is and
00:49:54
we're talking about a place in a an area that has the fortunate scenario of not having a long list of cold cases in
00:50:04
their jurisdiction. When you only got a handful, why not go back and review review review review talk to these
00:50:12
people time and time and time again. And what what I was going to say regarding the two individuals that were
00:50:20
there that night in the vicinity of where Brian Shaffer was, what I found to be really interesting about our event.
00:50:29
While we were talking about a lot of things that did happen that night, and while we were fielding a lot of
00:50:35
questions from the audience of what could be, do you know this, what was ever came of that,
00:50:41
while we were doing our best with our panel to field those questions and some of it led down the road of speculation,
00:50:47
but at no time did any of those two nor anyone else in the room go, well, that thing that that person said on the panel
00:50:54
didn't happen. Right. Or that thing that the person said in the audience, that's
00:50:58
not true. That never occurred during this event which was really truly very interesting to me and I would have loved
00:51:06
to have an event not don't hear what I'm not saying cuz we're never we're never going to do this, but
00:51:12
it I mean for every person in that room to voice all of their questions, their suspicions, their theories
00:51:19
would have taken an entire day if not longer. I would have loved to have heard every person in that room. We did get to
00:51:27
hear from a lot of them and it was questions and I thought the panel did a really good job of answering those to
00:51:33
the best of our abilities. Now, keep Yeah. in mind we didn't we did not have anybody while there were persons invited
00:51:39
there that were were from law enforcement that did work the case that are currently working the case. They
00:51:44
were invited by us. They chose not to be there for any number of reasons, but so
00:51:50
we didn't have any law enforcement on the panel, but we had some people that I would regard as experts or having a lot
00:51:59
of knowledge in in these and the and these areas, especially with Brian Shaffer's case. Now,
00:52:06
James Renner and myself might have been a little less up to speed on the Shaffer
00:52:11
case when compared to the the wonderful ladies from Dead Dead or Alive and and you as well, but um Yeah,
00:52:19
but what's interesting is is with the rocker picture Yeah. that has kind of gone viral,
00:52:26
the more I look at that and the more I look at the hands of the individual, the more I feel like the hands look very
00:52:34
similar to Brian's and so that weirdly gives me hope. The individual that has that picture cropped it out so you can't
00:52:43
see the location. I don't I don't know what to to make of that. There's there's parts of me that
00:52:51
understand why why that individual do that. There's then parts of me of why are you holding information back, but
00:52:57
back to the that suspect that they had with the basement dig. In one of the interviews and I've wrestled with this,
00:53:04
but in one of the interviews I did I I did say the individual's name and then I said to the person, I'm going
00:53:11
to give you the person's name. It's now in your hands whether you release that or not.
00:53:17
Again, I I think there's part of me that believes that Columbus PD released that
00:53:22
information to us or confirmed that information so so we would release it and it's something I struggle with
00:53:28
because I'm not a detective, but the other thing that I was harping on at the event is there's a
00:53:35
a sexuality and possibly identity issue with Brian and I think that could play a
00:53:44
major factor. If he was struggling with his sexual identity, is is there is that a motive for
00:53:53
starting a new life? And and then also we have confirmed by law enforcement that there was well, it's confirmed that
00:54:04
he was having gay relations with friends of his and some of these individuals now or even
00:54:14
back then lived as a as a gay man and continued to live their life as a gay man. And and I apologize if I'm
00:54:24
not speaking correctly on all these terms, but there's also individuals that with confirmation we know that he had
00:54:33
sexual relationships with that are now married and possibly married with children and so could this
00:54:40
been a motive? Were they afraid that this information was going to come out? And so would that be a possible motive
00:54:48
for making him disappear? I think people shy away from talking about it cuz I think they are
00:54:54
you you have one, I'm want to be sensitive people. I don't want to piss anybody off, but I think that's one
00:55:02
of the reasons why some of the people aren't talking about this. I mean, like you said, we put out these
00:55:08
six-part episodes and then all of a sudden John Hurst and all these other individuals are doing interviews with
00:55:15
news outlets and never once do they bring up his sexuality. Never once do they bring up a
00:55:23
possibly struggling with his identity and it's weird to me. It's almost like these interviews were just the same song
00:55:32
and dance from 20 years ago. And I I don't know why people are not just more open and honest
00:55:40
about the information in this case. We also can't say 100% what their findings were. I'm not saying that to dispute
00:55:48
what you had just said. I'm just simply saying that in any of these cases, they may not have that same information
00:55:58
or No, but I I got the gay relations with friends information from law enforcement.
00:56:07
And this was confirmed by Brian's high school girlfriend. I guess they were on again, off again and at some point he
00:56:14
confided in her that he was unfaithful. Mhm. But he wasn't unfaithful with a woman. He was unfaithful with a man.
00:56:22
Then there's a lot of speculation from people. I think that's also why some of these individuals are not talking
00:56:31
anymore because they don't want even if Brian didn't have a relationship with them, there's a speculation that he had
00:56:38
relationships with with friends of his and so I think they're they're afraid to get wrapped up into that rumor if that
00:56:48
makes any sense. Well, absolutely. And look, Hurst may feel that he still has strong loyalties to the investigation
00:56:56
that he was involved in with Columbus Police Department. Don Corbett may feel that he has strong loyalties to his
00:57:04
investigation that he conducted and a big part of that with Brian's father, Randy. It's and we do know that some of
00:57:14
those interviews were conducted by persons that also interviewed us. Right. >> Right? And that was local news here and
00:57:24
I from my recall, I don't remember ever being asked those questions. They didn't
00:57:29
go down those roads with us that being the people that interviewed us. So, they may just not have brought that
00:57:36
up with either them and the two of them may have loyalties to those investigations. I that's one thing that
00:57:42
gets a little difficult with what we do here as well is there's times that we are privy to information that's not been
00:57:50
released to the public or times that we're even told do not say this and if you do, we'll say that you made it up.
00:57:59
But it it's it does get a little dicey and one thing I always tell family members of victims, friends of victims
00:58:06
that I'm interviewing and especially law enforcement, the last thing I want to do
00:58:12
with putting out a show is muck up somebody's investigation because we hope we sit here and we don't do the show to
00:58:20
throw out some juicy story, some salacious Yeah. juicy story that that maybe better served up on TV or on the
00:58:31
internet somewhere. We do this to tell the story, to tell these true crime cases, especially the unsolved ones in
00:58:40
hopes that maybe they will be solved someday. And so when we are giving out information, we have to decide if I say
00:58:49
this now into the microphone and I let it be released to the world later, I still have to sleep at night. I still
00:58:57
have to feel good about what we did and what we put out to the world. Yeah. >> And we can't feel that we can't feel
00:59:03
that way if it's complete nonsense, if it's stuff that's just not true and or if it's stuff that could
00:59:11
potentially mess up an investigation or ruin someone's reputation that that had no wrongdoing in a situation. Yeah, it's
00:59:19
very difficult. It's something that when you see law enforcement do an interview
00:59:27
and they kind of um they kind of talk trash about podcasters or people with YouTube
00:59:34
channels or whatever and yeah, I could see from the outside looking in that you go well, they're just podcasters but
00:59:42
the amount of law enforcement that we've talked to the amount of private detectives that work directly
00:59:50
with families that we've talked to the family members the friends the witnesses like I said I
00:59:57
have spoke with Bryden so much and and to see how much that has affected her life and and I would say in a
01:00:04
negative way um this stuff weighs on you and all I can do going forward is try to be
01:00:12
as truthful and authentic with myself and I and I do think his sexuality plays a component in this and
01:00:23
and so Well, we're talking about while we're on the subject. I'll throw in my two cents
01:00:29
on it. Because you brought this up and then I I brought up the idea well, maybe those
01:00:35
folks just weren't asked this in their interviews that they've recently done or maybe the interviewer never went down
01:00:42
this road with Hurst or Corbett or any number of people that they spoke to. When
01:00:50
we recently did some interviews for what could end up being a documentary that's
01:00:55
put what we can say is there is a production team out there there is um a content team out there that is
01:01:04
assembling and putting together and interviewing people in regard to missing persons cases potentially really honing
01:01:11
in on the Brian Shaffer case but one of the questions I was asked by that interviewer
01:01:17
was on the same lines right what what do we know about Brian's sexuality what and how could that affect the case does
01:01:26
it have any bearing on the case and I was a little more hesitant to talk about what do we know about his sexuality cuz
01:01:36
this is not stuff that I claim to know I know what has been said Right. Um I I know what's been I hate to use the word
01:01:44
reported cuz it sounds like it's been you know it's in print somewhere by a by a credible outfit but I know what has
01:01:52
been said I don't I don't have any reason to dispute anything that's been said is what I told
01:01:59
the interviewer but what I did say is it has everything to do with the case why because it could be suggestive that
01:02:07
there's a whole big batch of other group of people to talk to that there and and
01:02:13
those people have not been talked to or have not been interviewed or have not been reached out to because
01:02:21
they simply didn't know to do that at the time so it has a lot it carries a lot of weight on this case
01:02:28
Yeah and like you said it's it's stuff that people have said or have have implied
01:02:36
or people say and that they thought Brian was too touchy-feely with certain roommates some people thinking that him
01:02:44
and Clint were too touchy-feely with each other but I didn't sleep with him so I can't confirm if he's
01:02:52
gay or not right so and I didn't see anything with my own eyes I didn't know him so I can I 100% confirm that but I'd
01:03:01
also to further touch upon that of the touchy-feely stuff a lot of people said well
01:03:09
Brian when he'd get drunk he would get a little aggressive with people he would be a little too touchy-feely
01:03:16
with people he was we all know those individuals you go out to a bar you have a couple drinks and
01:03:22
your buddy has his arm around you all night that doesn't mean your buddy's gay he's just having a good time
01:03:29
>> reel you can't reel any fish in without some bait Well but the >> [laughter] >> but the other thing though too is I
01:03:36
think and when he was drinking he would disappear so all these things I think play into this
01:03:42
I know that there's more information coming in I know Kelly is working on trying to get more details of the
01:03:50
information she already has I can't give details to this but she has told me that she
01:03:57
is signing up to work with a company to do a a documentary that's kind of been her goal
01:04:04
I don't think it was her goal initially but with the Amy Bradley case getting a documentary and the amount of
01:04:11
information that has came to the family and to the private investigator that's working that case I think when she saw
01:04:20
that I think she was like you know what if if Brian could get a documentary because we can see the analytics I mean
01:04:28
these these episodes we did on Brian Shaffer were downloaded well right but but there's a lot of people within Ohio
01:04:37
that are listening to these episodes and if you get a documentary on Netflix or peacock or
01:04:44
something else then it it could be something that goes worldwide and and maybe he is playing in
01:04:52
some rock cover band down in Key Largo right Mhm. and and maybe somebody goes hey
01:05:00
I [laughter] know that guy I go watch him sing Bon Jovi Well and that's what's crazy is the that that
01:05:07
okay so for the people that listen to the garage every week they're going absolutely everybody's heard of this
01:05:12
case that's just the way they feel because it's been part of them for so long >> Yeah. and
01:05:18
that may be true with a lot of cases out there I can tell this may sound like a completely strange statement trust me I
01:05:25
thought I somebody was playing a joke on me when it I was in the moment because it seemed so far-fetched to me I was at
01:05:32
a CrimeCon within the past two years where a very smart man who had served in the military served this great country
01:05:44
thank you for your service engages me in a conversation and says hey have you ever heard of the murder of that kid of
01:05:51
JonBenét Ramsey I said yeah everybody knows that case and he goes well I just learned about it last night Right. This
01:05:59
guy was was smart up to speed person person that followed the news he for whatever reason that case had never
01:06:06
reached him never reached his >> [laughter] >> his conversations that he's had with
01:06:12
anybody and he was so blown away by what he was learning from talking to other people at CrimeCon and some of the
01:06:19
things that were presented at the time that he was not a regular listener of our show
01:06:25
he's not really dialed into true crime he was there as a tag-along with somebody he was I believe there possibly
01:06:32
with his wife and he was having a great time being there and he he and I got to talking about other stuff and he brought
01:06:39
that up and I thought I thought oh my God I've met somebody born and raised in this country still
01:06:46
living here that's just heard about this case for the first time this weekend so
01:06:51
it it it still means something it's still true and look we've said this before here too
01:06:59
we live in Columbus I've gone to bars and overheard people at another table or nearby talking about
01:07:07
Brian's case and I have to go over and walk it walk over and talk to him because I'm just I
01:07:14
want to I want to hear what that conversation I mean do you mind if I listen in or do you mind if I
01:07:20
join in on your conversation >> you in the face. >> Because I've had people go oh yeah you
01:07:25
remember that guy that was missing from the bar yeah they found that guy I remember when they found him
01:07:30
and you go no didn't happen and and that's that's just how it is and it's it is important to keep these stories going
01:07:39
and and it documentary would be great because what would be cool is you know when I wrote the Delphi book I
01:07:47
wrote it for the sole purpose of I didn't think the case would ever be solved I had kind of reserved myself to
01:07:55
feeling that way and and and the way that I was going to deal with my disappointment
01:08:02
in that case was I thought you know what I've seen so much incorrect stuff about this case
01:08:09
said online and on social media in the past x amount of years I said 40 years from now when this is still
01:08:20
unsolved there may be some one like me who gets intrigued by these old cold cases and starts diving in
01:08:31
to Libby and Abby's case and if they only go with what they can find on the internet they're going to
01:08:40
have the whole the whole story's going to be wrong I just felt that somebody needed to chronicle what happened and
01:08:47
and and state when they're chronicling what happened or the investigation or their
01:08:54
speculation of the investigation here's the truth here's the speculation and here's the investigation and just it
01:09:02
so that somebody someday if they find the case and choose to pick it up and choose to get obsessed with it then they
01:09:09
at least can sort through the muck and the mire and figure out what was real and what was speculation
01:09:17
at the time and so a documentary could be a very powerful thing >> [music] >> not just in Brian's case but in
01:09:23
many many cases >> [music] >> Want to thank everybody for joining us here in the garage and a special shout
01:09:37
out to everybody that joined us at the live event. It was very humbling. It was such an honor to be a part of it. It
01:09:46
might sound a little sappy, but it's to me one of the best things we've ever done to be able to say
01:09:53
that we raised $20,000 for the Porchlight Project. And if you want to donate to the Porchlight Project, then
01:09:59
you can check out their website Here? It is porchlightonline.org. And so, part of that event, we did talk
01:10:10
about some of the cases that Porchlight has taken on over the years, some of the
01:10:13
successes that Porchlight has had over the years. You can go to porchlightonline.org
01:10:20
and there are press releases on there spanning since the genesis of that nonprofit that talk about what cases we
01:10:29
took on and why and then the result if we got to a result with it. Some of them are still open and pending, but if you
01:10:38
want to know about the cases that we worked and some of the cases that we've talked about at the event, go to the
01:10:43
website and as the captain said, there is a portion of the website that you can access to make a donation if you choose
01:10:52
to and just know that with this type of event, we had to do it live. Why? Because we wanted to sell tickets. We
01:11:00
needed to sell tickets and why? Because we wanted to raise this money to try to make some positive impact on folks that
01:11:08
are experiencing what Brian's family, friends and loved ones are experiencing with the loss without
01:11:15
having answers of someone being gone. And so, we're going to use that money and use it to look at some Ohio missing
01:11:23
persons cases. We have a few that we're we already have pushed to the front of the line that we're going to be reaching
01:11:30
out to their family members and the law enforcement agencies, the investigating agencies there next week and we should
01:11:39
have an update very quickly on what will be the first case first missing persons
01:11:45
case that Porchlight will be working with law enforcement in honor of Brian Shaffer. And for everything True Crime,
01:11:53
check out truecrimegarage.com and until next week. Be good. Be kind. Don't litter.
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