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foreign saw them duck down behind the car okay I looked out and saw him and I said what's
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going on I knew it was Ken's car and I said cat and they didn't look up nobody did anything somebody's been hurt man
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okay so you saw them dug down behind his car yes okay and then where did they go
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after that I don't know up up towards the new building uh towards Fort Street I guess that's 4 foreign
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one of them had blonde hair really really short blonde here today either one of them have hats or caps
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they were headed towards Fourth Street so that would have been Easter I'd say Southeast but I don't know that
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for sure because they took off you know and they went up that Alleyway towards fourth all right we've got officers on
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and this is the case of Ryan Ferguson [Music] foreign [Music] [Music] [Music] got sick you had to hand the thing off
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the line because this guy's got headrooms all over his head we're talking minimum 15 strikes I must
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have done it though I mean I don't know either that or I stopped and he did I don't know did you ever drop the pipe
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probably did you hand it off to Ryan I don't I don't know I don't think so let's go back to it
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when we were talking about how you saw Ryan strangle this guy now we know what the guy gets triangled with
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that's kind of the thing I've been holding back from you all right is it possible that you know what he was
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struggling with and just didn't want to tell me because I know I don't know like
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I think it was a shirt or something well I know it wasn't a shirt it's like maybe
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a bungee cord or I don't something from this car I want to see if I would have her up in his car well we know for a
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fact that his belt was ripped off of this passing restrainment with this belt really yeah
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you said Belton Ryan's hand something looked like a rope maybe or a bungee cord I don't know so it's possible why I'm
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kind of strangled this guy with his belt got the keys well the guys are the man's
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belt yeah because I'm about yes does that ring a bell not at all like I didn't but you saw Ryan scrambling
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though I thought yeah yeah okay you said it's earlier or something about Ryan's Ryan wanted to choke him down to make
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sure he was dead is that true I think that he was like yeah yeah foreign [Music]
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Ferguson was convicted of the murder of Kent heitholt Kent's murder took place in the early morning hours of November
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1st 2001 and Ryan Ferguson's hometown of Columbia Missouri at the time of the murder Ferguson was only 17 years old he
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was a junior in high school Kent heitholt was found beaten and strangled shortly after 2 A.M on November 1st 2001
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in the parking lot of the Columbia Daily Tribune can't work there as a sports editor the murder went unsolved for two
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years until police received a tip that a man this is Charles Erickson he was extremely drunk that night and he could
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not remember some of the events that took place that evening and most of what took place around the time of the actual
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murder after reading newspaper articles Charles Erickson was having dreams about the
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murder he told a couple of people that he had concerns that he may have been involved in the actual murder one and
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Chuck had a drug problem as well correct Charles Erickson was partying with Ryan
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Ferguson on Halloween night October 31st now this would be Wednesday night but we
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all know how much Everyone likes to party on Halloween Charles and Ryan they were doing quite a bit of underage
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drinking at a bar that night and a party that had started in the evening earlier
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turned into partying into the early morning hours Charles or Chuck Erickson would later
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confess to the murder of Kent heitholdt and implicate Ryan Ferguson in the murder as well Ryan Ferguson was
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convicted in the fall of 2005. and what you can hear in that trailer is the interrogation of Chucky
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yeah and that was kind of a what we just went through as a summarized version of
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the case which we usually don't go through that and summarize the case for you before we so now they can just stop
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listening yeah you now you know everything all right see you guys next week well we usually don't do that
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before we go through it in detail but we wanted to do that because with this case
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it's it's actually very important that persons not familiar with this case have that information because when it comes
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to Ryan Ferguson Not only was his innocence or guilt called into question before he was convicted but both were
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called into question years after his conviction which ultimately would lead to appeals trials and then Ryan
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Ferguson's conviction was vacated in November of 2013. so I just wanted everybody to be aware of that situation
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fully before we go through the detailed account of what took place the evening of October 31st and the early morning
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hours of November 1st 2001. so each of you can make a little mental note of when you think of you know at some
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points some things might Point towards Ryan's guilt or if it would Point towards his innocence yeah don't don't
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you tell me what to do okay let's go through a detailed account of that night and first we'll go through the police
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slash prosecutor story of that evening as what they piece together off of eyewitness accounts and the Confessor
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this is Charles or Chuck Erickson and we'll call him Chuck from now on and I'll call him Chucky there you go on the
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evening of October 31st 2001 as we said many people were out celebrating Halloween this including students from
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both of the city's two high schools we will start the evening off roughly in the time frame of about 9 to 10 p.m
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there are several Halloween parties going on and the ones we are talking about have both High School age kids and
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young adults just out of high school at these parties Ryan Ferguson is party hopping that evening and as the night
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goes on he's getting ready to leave a party and he sees Chuck Erickson who as we said he knows him from school right
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some have reported that Ryan and Chuck were hanging out that night together others report that Ryan offered Chuck a
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ride as he was leaving the party I think either way actually works uh it's not really important so however it comes
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about they are riding together in Ryan's car Ryan tells Chuck come on let's get this
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clear too because a lot of people report like that they're buddies kind of like in the West Memphis Three case where
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it's like yeah they're you know two of them were buddies and one was just kind of acquaintance in this scenario uh Ryan
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and Chucky they're just acquaintances yeah they know each other from school they're the same age they probably have
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a couple classes together but from everything that I could gather you're exactly right Captain they doesn't sound
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like they were they were not best friends they they really didn't even hang out a whole lot almost opposite
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sides of the track I mean we have an individual with Ryan that seems to be heavily involved in sports
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um you know involved with his family and a lot of friends and it seems like Chucky is uh kind of on the slacker side
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and they ran in the same circles but the circle wasn't just the two of them it was you know many friends that they had
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right anyway so regardless of how they end up in Ryan's vehicle but they're in his car and at some point Point either
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before the ride or during the ride Ryan says to to Chuck you know hey uh let's go to this club my older sister is at a
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club and she can get us in and we can continue to party you know we'll go there and have a few drinks right okay
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sounds great so the two underage 17 year old boys out looking for a good time they meet up with Ryan's sister well and
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they're going to meet up at a bar called uh by George and it's such a dumb name for a bar sorry if you own that bar and
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I'm talking about it but or if your name is George I don't mind the name George I'm just saying by George is a kind of a
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dumb name for a bar Chuck Erickson states that the the two spent up what money that they had once they were at
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the bar okay and then Ryan's sister bought a drink or two for them and then the two left you know because they were
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out of money once outside Ryan is calling people on his cell phone now I couldn't gather why Ryan was calling a
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bunch of different people but I'm going to guess that Erickson that chuck would have said possibility that that Ryan was
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looking for someone with money to either join them at by George's or looking for
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another place to go party because what Chuck Erickson would say is that Ryan Ryan said next would imply that Ryan was
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not done partying for the night so with with no one left to call Ryan tells Chuck hey man let's go rob someone so we
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can get enough money to get back into the bar and have some more drinks all right okay yeah here's a plan yeah I
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mean it happens every week and how many times you're at a bar and your buddy says
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let's go rob somebody so we can drink more well before they leave Ryan's car they take a like a tire iron or one of
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those tire changing tools that come in the trunk of your car they take this item and so they walk to find their
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potential robbery or mugging victim uh well they spot 48 year old Kent height Holt can't as we had said Kent is
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working late at the Columbia Daily Tribune this would be approximately a 2 15 a.m or so now I do want to point out
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here that several people were working at the Columbia Daily Tribune that night uh
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early morning hours whatever you want to call it and the the times well most of the times we give during this detailed
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account are going to be more approximate times uh for most of this stuff we do not have exact times for one reason we
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have our main witness which is Chuck Erickson who ends up confessing to being a part of the crime implicating Ryan
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Ferguson chuck had fully admitted he was so drunk and high that night uh that that he had been drinking doing Adderall
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and cocaine that night so quite the concoction inside of him oh damn Chuck he slowed down and while he admits to
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being so messed up that he cannot remember most of the night so there's one reason of not having exact times but
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what we will figure out here is that almost you know almost in the same breath that I say that I'll point out
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that we do know that these times from the other eyewitnesses are close or somewhat accurate because we are dealing
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with such a small window of time that they have to be close okay so how do we know Ryan and Chuck spot Kent at
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approximately 2 15 am well Michael Boyd he is another employee of the Daily Tribune he's working he's a writer a
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part-time writer he says he left work sometime before Kent heathold did and he knows this because he left around 2 A.M
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and on his way out he stops and he has a short conversation with Mike Henry he's
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a night custodian at the at the Tribune Michael Boyd walks the parking lot and he gets to his car he will have to
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actually pass Kent's car to get to his own car then he goes out to his car and when he's out there he sits there for a
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little bit of time listening to some music when he sees Kent leaving work and going out to his car
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to leave for the night all right why would you just get in your car and listen to music for a while before you
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leave it seems strange to me at that hour right you know especially at that hour uh Michael pulls his car up
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alongside of Kent's and they have a discussion according to Michael Boyd this conversation it's a work
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conversation it takes place sometime between 12 2 12 a.m sorry and 2 20 a.m Michael Boyd says after the conversation
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he leaves in his car and he's he goes to drive home as he's pulling out and into
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the alley he says that he nearly hit someone he sees two people in the parking lot right uh this is not Kent
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Kent is not one of the people that he's describing here he's these younger people right well uh or does does he not
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make that claim to be clear all he says is that he sees Michael sees two people and he cannot tell if the people are
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male or female okay so basically no description of the people and anomalies almost yeah so these two people could be
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Chuck and Ryan because they would have to have have arrived sometime in this time frame to the parking lot at the
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Columbia Daily Tribune and you'll see why here in a minute so the attack would go something like
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this Kent would be hit in the head or neck area about 11 or 12 times with some unknown object or the Tire Tool as chuck
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had said all right then as the victim Kent is down on all fours from the blows he just took someone you know and that
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someone according to Chuck is Ryan pulls the victim's belt off now he would have
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had to have done this according to the police by pulling by pulling up from the left hand side you know from from like
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reaching around from behind Kent on the left side and grabbing the belt and pulling it up and off right they came to
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this conclusion because two of the belt loops on the left side of Kent's pants were ripped or torn off
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then using the victim's own Bell Ryan Ferguson strangle okay hold on a second so you're saying that they believe that
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the belt was ripped off of him because there was two because the belt loops were broken two two of his belt loops
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were were ripped okay then using the victim's own belt Ryan Ferguson strangled Kent height Holt a very short
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time before 2 26 a.m a custodian this is her name is Shauna ort she stepped outside for a cigarette break or to walk
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some trash to the dumpster now or both yeah my understanding is that sometimes the smoke break and walking trash to the
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dumpster are the same thing anyway great report in there there you go happen at the same time right anyway she
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is out there and she she sees two shadowy figures near Kent's car she ran back inside to get her co-worker
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this is Jerry Trump she's telling him that there is something going on in the parking lot and she wanted him to go out
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there and see what it was he doesn't really want to do this but he gives in and he agrees to go check it out so now
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the two of them well they are standing they're standing at one of those like um you know kind of like a large overhead
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door you know they're standing just past the opening of that okay and at first they don't see anything you know you
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know Jerry Trump's probably like oh great I agreed to come out here and check out this thing you're just you're
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just freaking out for nothing there's nothing going on out here they don't see anything but sometimes that's scarier is
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when somebody says I see somebody outside and you go and you start looking and you go I see nothing but sometimes
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that the they're you're not as relieved well they see nothing at first they hear
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nothing at first so Jerry Trump decides he he yells out something like you know I see you you might as well come out you
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might as well stand up or something like that put your hands up yeah and two individuals stand up and one of them is
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at the front of Kent's car near the front of the vehicle the other one is at the rear of the vehicle so both both
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custodians witnessed two what they what they report as white college age men now
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standing near Kent heitholtz vehicle they also both said that the man at the rear of the vehicle he walked to the
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front of the car and said something to the effect of you know this guy is hurt out here or you better call someone you
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better get call an ambulance something like that that this this guy's hurt and he needs help so what you're saying is
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that these two two employees of the newspaper see these two individuals in the parking lot
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ducking down possibly hiding behind Kent's car and then one of them kind of Walks from the back the car to the front
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and then says hey you better call our ambulance this guy's hurt out here yeah he says something
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like get help this guy's hurt now that's something you probably want to say if you hurt the guy
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um yeah I don't know it's it's a it's a strange situation regardless right if you but if you're gonna take somebody's
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belt off put it around their throat and pull as hard as you can so they stop breathing I don't think you're asking
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somebody to call an ambulance no you want that guy dead for some reason yeah you don't want him to be able to come to
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and and give information about you right uh according to the police report the employees called 9-1-1 at 2 26 a.m right
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which we heard that uh 9-1-1 call at the beginning so if you want to hear it again go back to the beginning
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some of the other uh sport reporters working that night uh came running out to see what was going on and they found
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46 year old Kent heitolt lying face down at the rear of his car now they rolled him over and they tried to resuscitate
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him and of course unfortunately it didn't work uh the police department was within just a few blocks of the
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newspaper's parking lot in the newspapers building so they arrived very quickly when they got there they saw
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Kent had been severely beaten with some kind of blunt object and he was strangled and dead at this point one we
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we both took a look at the autopsy but and we're not going to go over in a bunch of details because it's pretty
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simple to summarize but they keep talking about this blunt object and being hit well over 10 times
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um you even hear this in the interrogation with the police and and Chucky but they keep talking about blunt
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object but there's no skull fractures correct there's they don't find any skull fractures on Kent height Holt um
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so so it's death by strangulation as hyoid bone is broken yeah and there's a little there's a little
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conjecture there's a little back and forth on uh the hyoid bone being broken as well there's one expert that says
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that he believes the hyoid bone was could have been broken because of he because he was hit he was hit about the
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the head and neck area um but the original the original expert believes that the hyoid bone was broken
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during the strangulation process I don't think that that is necessarily important
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I think the most important thing that I see in the autopsy itself is like you said the number of times that that Kent
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is hit with they keep referring to it as a blunt object right uh but like you said no
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skull fractures so to me it's more of uh he's hit 11 or 12 times with an unknown
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object right but what was that expert telling you that one time uh like you take a 10 year old girl yeah with a bat
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or something and and there's going to be skull fractures actually this is it wasn't something that somebody told me
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it was um a comment that was made to Ryan Ferguson's father to Bill Ferguson uh that he reported elsewhere stating that
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you know it was strange that there was no skull fractures because an expert quote unquote an expert according to
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Bill Ferguson had told him that a 12 year old girl with a baseball bat if she hits somebody 11 12 or 50 even 15 times
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you're gonna have several skull fractures not just one you're gonna have you're gonna you're gonna get a few out
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of that so he's hit with some kind of unknown object we'll call it that right and he doesn't so he's not going to make
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it right and at this point Chuck Erickson claims that he and Ryan after having murdered Kent that they take this
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kind of this very kind of roundabout way of walking back to the bar but before they get there this is at approximately
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2 30 a.m they are at an intersection and there is a car there stopped at a red light
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uh and inside the car well this this is somebody uh that the two boys know and his name is Dallas Mallory Dallas is in
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a car with two young ladies Dallas is actually about two years older I believe Ryan
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well Chuck Erickson has a short conversation with Dallas Mallory at the at the red light and Chucky says how are
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you in the truck with two women that's what he asked well the the the light eventually turns green and Away Dallas
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and the two girls go right right so so now it's back to by George's for Chuck and Ryan and we'll get right back to the
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case of Ryan Ferguson after this quick Uber [Music] all right we're back cheers mates cheers
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so after Ryan and Chuck Commit This murder they according to Chuck they go out with the motive of robbery they
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attack Kent heitholt uh and they kill him in the parking lot now they've taken this roundabout way of making their way
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back to the bar and they're back at by George's according to Chuck they get back to the
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bar around 2 45 a.m and they stay there drinking dancing having a good time until about 4 to 4 15 a.m in the morning
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well these bars are open pretty late and this only makes sense right because we we saw this with uh with the Casey
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Anthony thing right right you know when when you kill somebody uh the best way to celebrate is to go to a bar and dance
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and party and have a good time you know so today now now while the two of them are off having a good time right the
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police have a murder and a crime scene to deal with here so the police are going to do a canine search and I won't
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go through all of the street names but basically the police dog is going to track slash follow the trail of the
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perpetrators and the dog leads them in the opposite direction as to where Chuck Erickson says that they are going to go
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of course the dog the dog chase does not turn up the perpetrators and we do have another problem here with
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this crime scene the Tribune's parking lot well it has two two security cameras and these security cameras are very
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obvious you know they're the type that would be up on the building and if you were walking by they weren't hidden
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cameras you know you would you would notice them from the street and be aware that the parking lot is under
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surveillance right however you know we unfortunately we see this time and time again in these situations these cameras
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are not working on this night oh really yeah so the police really have no leads other than the description that they're
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given from the two custodians that they are looking for two Caucasian College age dudes uh per the description given
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to them short hair one maybe blonde spiked up in the front and they do uh they do a drawing of the there's at
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least one of the individuals well yeah this is Shauna ort and Jerry Trump the the employees at the Daily Tribune
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um we should point out here that early in the investigation Jerry Trump statements were deemed as useless by the
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police okay as his description that he gave to them it was so vague that it really provided them nothing of value
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you know he basically says I I really couldn't see anything I really couldn't see anything to describe
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these guys now as you had mentioned Shauna ort on the other hand uh with the with the police department's use of what
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they call like an identicate or an ID kit right they come up with a composite sketch of the guy who walked from the
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rear of the vehicle to the front of Kent heithold's car you know the guy telling
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them to get it right and Shawna is she's younger yes so let's just assume she has
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better eyes and uh I think she was what 18 or 19 at the time when she saw the yeah young and and Trump and Trump was
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quite a bit older at the time yes um now basically the way that they come up with this composite drawing it's it's
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that old school identicate um and and some places they may call it something different but basically what
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they do is Captain they'll show you they have like a flip book and they're like they'll show you a bunch of different
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sets of eyes and you're like oh that looks like his eyes and they're like okay they they set those eyes on the
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face and then they flip through the book more and they show you a nose like oh yeah that looks like his nose and and so
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you piece together the person's face well the problem with this drawing is again it's happening very late at night
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or in the early mornings it's very dark out very low lighting so and then if and
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actually I would say you know like during if it was during the day obviously you'd be it'd be easier to
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identify by somebody I think it would be way harder to do this Adena kit when there's heavy Shadows from the street
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lights well I agree and I don't know that it was fully like as far as the way I heard the parking lot described I'm
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sure there are dark spots and dark areas um Shauna states that when she saw the man that she was able to come up with
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the composite drawing of that that was she believed to be what she considered a well-lit portion of the park right again
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but you're going to have these hard Shadows of course because all the lights are coming from above and if you watch
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any of the documentaries on on this case it's you know you can see how dark that
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that area would have been yeah and to go with the composite drawing um you know she describes the guy as a
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Caucasian male about six foot tall 200 pounds uh muscular build wearing a white T-shirt and has possibly has short
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blonde hair now some other things while we are talking about the crime scene there was
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a blood trail which makes sense because we have a victim that was beaten in the head you would expect a certain amount
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of blood so there was a blood trail but this went in again in a different direction than what Chuck said he and
00:32:15
Ryan had fled the scene police found a hair either in or on the hand of the victim this would be collected and later
00:32:25
tested they did not find the blunt object or as chuck had said the Tire Tool uh used to beat Kent they did not
00:32:34
find that at the crime scene they did find the belt buckle Kent's belt buckle it had broken off and was lying there
00:32:42
near the uh near Kent they found fingerprints not matching the victim in and on the victim's vehicle
00:32:50
uh and and one more thing though the the police found no evidence to suggest Kent
00:32:57
had been robbed um so keep in mind you're trying to find the motive yeah they're going to check
00:33:03
the victim and try to come up with why would this guy be attacked well they don't see any obvious signs that that
00:33:09
robbery was the motive for this this attack or murder so at this point they are looking for two young white dudes
00:33:17
and they don't have a motive to go on at this point in their investigation well and so we go to the following day that
00:33:24
we I call this The Hangover day I mean we got two individuals that were 17 years old they went partying uh Chucky
00:33:31
was doing a blow drinking doing some Adderall uh and he claims that he doesn't remember anything of the events the
00:33:40
night before yeah he has no memory of Halloween night uh and also you know as we said there there was nothing other
00:33:49
than probably one heck of of a hangover like the captain pointed out that anything had went wrong or anything
00:33:56
terrible had happened that night Chuck did not notice anything unusual he he didn't have any injuries uh he didn't
00:34:05
have any blood on his clothing um let's talk about let's talk about Chuck for a minute though okay
00:34:12
um you know as we had said earlier he's the same age as Ryan 17 at the time of this murder and a high school student uh
00:34:20
but but one big different thing here is you know Ryan like the party obviously like like some high school students do
00:34:28
however chuck had a bit of a history he had a he had a reputation for blacking out right and a history and a reputation
00:34:36
for getting really blitzed you know whether it being drinking or drugs or both um and he would from time to time do
00:34:45
something bad or embarrassing you know he would destroy he was known to destroy property or to get in fights right
00:34:54
um and then typically the next day he would have little to no memory of these events or the things that he had did
00:35:01
well then people would tell him what he had done and sometimes these memories well they would start to come back to
00:35:08
him and maybe sometimes they would not but it's my understanding that he had such a reputation for this kind of
00:35:14
behavior that often he was not invited to parties because nobody wanted him around you
00:35:21
know who wants the nobody wants the douche canoe break in Furniture right you don't want that fights you don't
00:35:26
want that guy at your house that's not a party yeah because you're gonna get busted by your parents if this guy
00:35:31
destroys something second of all you don't want him there if he's going to pick fights with your friends uh getting
00:35:36
you know getting drunk destroying stuff and just being basically a walking party
00:35:40
Foul right is is what Chuck Erickson would be Chucky Chucky AKA party Foul Ericson so let's
00:35:49
okay before we fast forward let's go through what happened that night according to Ryan now of course this
00:35:58
okay so what we need to be clear about this okay all the reports that you were just giving just to find beautiful
00:36:05
people listening to the show all the reports that you're giving are just from from Chucky but also from the
00:36:12
police correct it's basically the the this the general story that the prosecutor slash police pieced together
00:36:21
about what took place that night right but like we all know there's three sides to every story well according according
00:36:29
to Ryan um you know and I didn't want to mix the two stories because not only are they
00:36:33
very different but uh well let's say uh the night and the way things went down according to Ryan let's say it was much
00:36:41
less eventful um according to Ryan Ferguson he and Chuck did go to the bar they went to buy
00:36:47
George's uh they met his sister there they had drinks um they left the bar at 1 30 a.m so
00:36:55
we're already seeing a difference in time here right Ryan drove Chuck to Chuck's home and then Ryan continued on
00:37:04
to his own home arriving at his family's house around 1 40 a.m so very a very quick drive from by George's to get
00:37:12
Chuck home and then Ryan takes himself home then in the early morning hours after he gets home uh from 1 41 a.m to
00:37:23
209 a.m Ryan calls several friends and then he goes to bed he's having murdered no one that evening uh being and
00:37:33
actually being according to his account right he's at home at his family's home during the time of Kent height Holtz
00:37:39
murder yeah okay so we got two completely different stories and one story we got two murderers and the other
00:37:46
story we got a guy dropping you know I dropped my buddy off we had a couple drinks dropped him off and dropping his
00:37:52
really drunk buddy off yeah um okay yeah not just drunk but high too so how about how about we fast forward
00:37:59
here Captain so let's let's fast forward to the DeLorean 2003. Now by this time the murder it
00:38:07
remained an unsolved mystery you know in October of 2003 the local media again began they were covering the story they
00:38:15
were covering the murder and Chuck Erickson reportedly had several dreams about the crime after seeing an an
00:38:24
article in a newspaper and he couldn't get over the fact that he had been so close in proximity to where someone had
00:38:32
been murdered at about the same time right and he had almost no memory of that night well right because he has
00:38:40
that history of blacking out and about a month later or so Chuck he he read another article in the in the local
00:38:48
newspaper but this one included a sketch the sketch of the possible suspect in the case remember this was the one given
00:38:56
to police by the eyewitness Shauna ort working at working that night at the Tribune Chuck thought that the sketch
00:39:04
looked like himself now he now he's really starting to get concerned that he was somehow involved
00:39:12
in this murder now when when he's at this point when he gets really drunk he starts telling some
00:39:21
people that he thinks he's committed a murder or was at least involved in the murder of Kent hithold well part of this
00:39:29
is you know you're not fully developed you're you're frontal cortex and all that stuff I'm not a doctor so but
00:39:36
he taking all those drugs right it's going to mess up your brain a little bit and I think I think this guy took so
00:39:44
many drugs he fried his damn brain and maybe too often you know is is it the same thing are you beating your brain
00:39:50
the same level as like getting multiple concussions over and over again with what he's doing he's blacking out yeah
00:39:56
and how many times has he hit in his head when he's drunk too I mean that's that's another good point so now he's
00:40:02
getting really drunk and he starts telling people that he thinks he may have committed the murder or he's least
00:40:06
involved in the murder well he this is definitely not helping you know you with your friends there Chucky yeah you
00:40:12
already had this bad reputation now this guy gets drunk he breaks Furniture he he
00:40:18
tries to fight people and then now he's confessed into murders don't invite this
00:40:22
guy to your party rule number one it's not going to be a good time it's not going to work out well for you you're
00:40:27
not going to be the popular kid in school stop inviting Chucky to the party it sounds like he only told two people
00:40:34
these were his friends this is only two people would hang out what the crazy dude this is Nick Gilpin and art Figaro
00:40:41
and the thing is I don't know if the he told me these two guys on separate occasions or you know if he told them
00:40:49
together on several occasions I'm not certain but as as I've heard it he's only told two people I I'm assuming that
00:40:57
he told Nick Gilpin this story one time and then old Captain Gilpin was like I'm
00:41:02
not hanging out with you no more Chucky uh well it's through these two friends uh that Chuck is is you know that it's
00:41:12
later let's hold on for a second let's think about this way your neck Gulpin right you're hanging
00:41:19
out with Chucky so you don't have a lot of options right hmm this guy breaks stuff
00:41:25
gets in fights and then he tells you he tells you he murdered somebody right or he thinks he
00:41:32
did what how low do you have to be how bored how lonely do you have to be to pick up the phone and say call him up
00:41:40
again I'm going to call Chucky up and see if he wants to hang out ah you got to be pretty lonely right get
00:41:46
some more details about that murder uh well it's through these two friends that the police are later notified and
00:41:52
told that Chuck Erickson uh was one was the one who killed the newspaper reporter or that was involved in the
00:42:01
newspaper reporter's death that took place two years ago so and are you still with me so far
00:42:09
in March of 2004. okay well okay so we have we have the the event happens on Halloween two years later
00:42:20
Chucky's having these dreams he's telling people search Tom people they contact the cops and even if look if if
00:42:26
somebody gets drunk and starts telling you they murdered somebody call the cops did you do
00:42:32
um so they call the cops now the cops need to talk to Chucky yeah so in March of 2004 the Columbia police department
00:42:40
they pick up Chuck Erickson and they question him well not too long after and in fact I believe it was later that same
00:42:48
day they call another Police Department because by this time Ryan was off at uh junior college
00:42:55
and they have Ryan Ferguson arrested as well well these two questionings by police uh
00:43:02
go very differently um and let's talk about this uh let's talk about this starting with Chuck Okay
00:43:08
so you played uh some of that interrogation for us right and you know you see in the
00:43:16
questioning there's there's a couple different levels of questioning that take place here first off there's some
00:43:21
questioning that goes down off camera there's some that goes down on camera and there's also a questioning period
00:43:27
that takes place on camera where they're driving him to the crime scene and they're driving him around the area so
00:43:34
he can you know they can point things out to him and they can kind of ask him where did you guys come from uh did you
00:43:41
enter the parking lot this way which way did you exit where did you go after the
00:43:45
murder you know uh can you tell us where his car was parked things like that you
00:43:50
know they have to take him there well regarding the questioning or slash interrogation of Chuck Erickson it's
00:44:01
what would you say it's disconcerting Captain it's unethical so we have a guy here the problem is though they picked
00:44:09
this guy up and he's saying you know maybe maybe I was involved in this thing I I don't know it's it's I blacked out
00:44:18
that night I have very little memory he says something like uh he he's seeing almost snapshots of of the of the night
00:44:27
well they're going to they're going to it looked to me Captain like it started off like kind of a friendly questioning
00:44:36
period and at some point they start getting you know we see the typical well here's what the detectives do they like
00:44:45
to spread their legs very wide and then like to get in a little tiny baby chair and then they scoot up really close you
00:44:53
know so their whole you know [ __ ] and balls and everything are right on the guy's knee and then they're looking deep
00:44:59
into their eyes and they start saying stuff like you need to tell me the truth you're not
00:45:05
telling me the truth so that yeah it starts off friendly then they do the whole let me get right in
00:45:11
your grill two help a little bit later they back up that also once things are going their way they like to do the lean
00:45:19
back you know what I'm talking about where they they are starting to get answers so they do the lean back well
00:45:26
and they keep you they keep you positioned back in the corner and they they stay right in front of you in your
00:45:32
face right but once they start getting answers they like to back up and do the lean back you know like oh let's make
00:45:37
this more comfortable for you and when you're not telling me the truth I'm going to make it uncomfortable for you
00:45:42
well and they're also constantly reminding that reminding you that you did this that you are guilty yes they
00:45:52
will emphasize that word you and they will often point at you when they do that or or touch you in some manner to
00:45:58
remind you that is that it is you that is under the microscope right it's not it's not a whole bunch of other people
00:46:04
that they're looking at they have circled in on you yeah so a couple things one I feel for the detectives
00:46:11
because there's no real leads they had nothing to go on all of a sudden two years later you have this guy Chucky
00:46:17
coming forward saying I'm having these dreams I have a history of blacking out I might have been involved
00:46:22
okay so yes the cops need to get to the bottom of this so I I look I I normally would say no way shape or form should
00:46:32
you ever feed details but I think in this case I'm going to give them a little bit of a pass because
00:46:38
this guy is saying I don't know I don't know a bunch of the details where I'm not going to give you a pass
00:46:44
as once Chucky brings somebody else into the equation and once he brings up Ryan
00:46:50
Ferguson into the equation your job now is to if you want to find out if he's telling you the truth you need to focus
00:46:59
on trying to prove him wrong and that's what they should have done first I I'm going to halfway agree with
00:47:06
you because it sounds like you're saying if if it were just Chuck that was that was implicating himself and no one else
00:47:12
that it's fine to give up the details not not fine to give up all the details right because the problem I have with
00:47:19
that is the whole purpose of withholding those details is that so you avoid false
00:47:24
confessions and if you start just giving away information that's really going to
00:47:29
help this person whether they did it or not uh get the right answers right so where do we have a problem with some of
00:47:37
these things well but what I'm saying though is you could drive him to the scene you could do certain things
00:47:43
um you know maybe try hypnosis or whatever just to see if you can Get These Memories to come back to the
00:47:50
service but I'm not telling them I'm not saying that you should say what the guy
00:47:55
was strangled with or details like that no definitely not right and in in the beginning of the questioning or
00:48:01
interrogation it appears uh and we we can see it on TV we see it on the camera footage uh it appears that Erickson that
00:48:09
Chuck has little knowledge of the crime um and at one point he tells the police I could be sitting here fabricating all
00:48:18
of this right now as the captain was hinting towards there uh they want some detailed information you know they want
00:48:26
to know what did you what was Kent strangled with okay um how many times was he hit what was he
00:48:35
hit with Okay so let's go through that as such he he states that they they took something from Ryan's car and that's
00:48:43
what they are going to attack Kent with and he assumed like a tire iron Yes again now if you hit now
00:48:50
it was at about 15 times if you hit somebody 15 times in the head the tire iron there's gonna be a skull fracture
00:48:57
and maybe not Chucky because Chucky's a small guy but you give a a pretty good athlete and Ryan Ferguson a tire iron
00:49:07
there's not going to be skull fractures it's going to be a mutilated skull one thing we should point out too though to
00:49:14
paint a bit of a better picture for everybody is uh I would actually I would actually consider both Chuck and Ryan to
00:49:22
be smaller dudes um you know I think what Ryan was five eight five nine uh and we have Chuck
00:49:29
who's a who's about five seven um and and the reason why I say smaller dudes is that's in comparison to Kent
00:49:37
eitholt Kent height Holt was well over six foot and he was a large dude he played offensive line for for some
00:49:45
college before he became a sports writer so yes I understand that they might be armed with this tire iron or some blunt
00:49:54
object or unknown object but it does seem strange to me that these two teenage boys would pick a very large
00:50:04
male victim to attempt to Rob yeah but Ryan Ryan was you know he's athletic um yeah I don't know uh I don't know
00:50:15
exactly what his height is no he he definitely looked very athletic um anyway so as we were stating they
00:50:24
need to know what he was hit with and furthermore who hit him and how many times was he hit with this object well
00:50:32
here's one thing that I found really strange about that interrogation you saw this you know he says how many times was
00:50:40
did was Kent hit did you hit Kent uh once yeah he's like no come on we know we know Chuck that he was hit a lot more
00:50:48
than one time and then he throws out some other number that's not correct and then the the uh detective corrects him
00:50:57
and he says now we know that Ken that you hit Kent 15 times is that right and eventually Chuck gives in to this
00:51:04
and says yes I hit him 15 times right and this is what I find is so unethical well not only that the strange part of
00:51:11
this thing here is Captain is first of all it's incredibly unethical second of all the detective fed him information
00:51:19
but fed him wrong information he says 15 times the the autopsy report States 11 or 12 times the detective didn't even
00:51:28
bother to get the wrong you know the wrong information right right right and and so he feeds him some bad information
00:51:36
and we have Chuck validate that and corroborate with that and says yes you know yeah yeah but right we hit her 15
00:51:43
times but there's a couple times that Chuck has to go on you know what but I don't really know I don't really know if
00:51:49
I'm telling you the truth or not right and then then they want to know okay what what did you use to strangle Kent
00:51:57
yeah I don't know his T-shirt yeah and actually I I thought when I viewed the the the the full length of the of the
00:52:05
questioning the interrogation yeah I I thought that I saw him almost react he didn't verbally say it but it looked
00:52:13
like his his uh his body language was suggesting that he was about to say his hands you know what I mean like yeah
00:52:19
because he said you know did did Ryan how did Ryan choke him like again implementing Ryan and not Chucky and and
00:52:27
then he makes I saw Ryan uh hands were you know kind of the symbol he makes a gesture about choking with his name the
00:52:34
Homer Simpson I'm going to choke Bart Simpson Type move so yeah and and they're like no that's not
00:52:40
right and he's like well maybe a t-shirt yeah or because he states that the officer would tell him you know it it
00:52:46
might have been something of Kent's that was used to to strangle him and as you said at first he says a T-shirt and he
00:52:54
said no it wasn't his T-shirt and then you he this is like questioning like a five-year-old you know that like took a
00:53:02
crap on in the family room that that that's what this question reminds me of well and then you you hear
00:53:09
him say so he says no it wasn't a t-shirt Chuck right then Chuck says maybe it was a bungee cord I don't know
00:53:15
because I couldn't see him having a rope in his car right because it's making sense to me why he would have a rope in
00:53:22
his car yeah so so all right well let's examine that it obviously wasn't a t-shirt I've no no it wasn't with his
00:53:30
hands right wasn't strangled with his hands he wasn't strangled with the T-shirt wasn't strangled with a bungee
00:53:35
cord wasn't strangled with a rope and it wasn't something that was taken from the
00:53:39
victim's car it was something that was taken off of the victim right right so after five wrong answers after five
00:53:47
wrong answers maybe you as a detective should go hey this guy doesn't know jack [ __ ]
00:53:55
right yeah he does he doesn't know what's going on yeah but right so at what point does the does the detective
00:54:02
say hey this is ridiculous this is nonsense not only and here's what they do they feed him
00:54:10
all this information they feed Chucky all this information they get a tape confession they think maybe this can
00:54:17
hold up and then they pull Ryan Ferguson in well uh you know and I'm not even ready to go that far yet because I'm
00:54:24
still on the Belt thing here you know we the the officer tells just outright tells him yeah he
00:54:31
was strangled with his own belt oh no no he sits back with just this cocky son of
00:54:37
a [ __ ] type attitude he's just sitting back and he goes I'm I was kind of holding this from you
00:54:44
I was keeping this back from you I didn't want to tell you but it was a bell that's pretty much
00:54:49
exactly what he says right and Chuck says something like well I don't remember that at all like he seemed
00:54:55
surprised like that that's the murder weapon like like shocked uh no no he he doesn't even understand what he's saying
00:55:05
because all of a sudden then Chucky says wait a second with his own belt right not Ryan's Belt
00:55:12
but his own belt oh like flabbergasted like like this is the first time he's thinking somebody pulled up on Kent
00:55:22
knocked him in his head at a 10 times 11 times pulled this dude's belt off of him
00:55:28
strangled him with his own belt you have to be a vicious SOB to do that well and like you said it's he's his
00:55:40
reaction is almost like getting fired up man well Chuck's reaction is almost like
00:55:45
I'm trying to help you out here guys but I would not have guessed that you know on my best day I would not have guessed
00:55:51
his own belt on my best day right so anyway then now they got to figure out what is the motive why would you guys go
00:55:58
and attack this large man uh that you don't know in the middle of a parking lot you don't know
00:56:04
did nothing to you and here's the answer that you get after all after you go through all of these details the answer
00:56:11
that you get is well I guess if we killed him then I assume we would have done it for money
00:56:20
right but no sign of robbery right right this is this is unethical horrible horrible police work
00:56:32
and and I believe just like and we'll talk about this later you know a prosecutor
00:56:38
for example can't just make up fake evidence right and there's laws against that and you can face jail time just
00:56:47
like I think you know now that we require people to tape these interviews they need to be well aware that if you
00:56:56
cross the line or you do some ridiculous dumb [ __ ] that you can face jail time
00:57:02
and I believe in this case that these detectives doing the interrogation they deserve jail time because these
00:57:10
interrogations were so unethical you signed up to Serve and Protect not to make up [ __ ] lies and put innocent
00:57:17
people behind bars well the thing here is when they're talking to Ryan Ferguson it's a much
00:57:23
different story you know uh we have we have Ryan Ferguson basically denying everything well do you do you want to
00:57:31
just hear that clip yeah [Music] I did not do anything I did not see anything and I'm here for murder like
00:57:46
Chuck says that he got kind of sick to his stomach after you hit this guy during that time uh he looked over and
00:57:53
sees you on top of the the guy who's down and you're choking him out he says strangling you
00:57:59
you believe this I I the shark probably had something to do with it well he said
00:58:04
is Heather all right well I mean he could have very well have been part of it I'm not are you a common Zone when we
00:58:11
come down there we started talking about the money like that I didn't do it wasn't there don't know what you're
00:58:14
talking about the police pulled me and said anyone talking about a murderer I'm gonna be good about half crazy I am
00:58:18
[ __ ] half crazy dude I'm sorry I'm good at [ __ ] hiding my emotions I'm shaking like me figure I didn't do
00:58:25
anything about to get in trouble for something I didn't do foreign [Music] so that's uh little pieces of the Ryan
00:58:40
Ferguson interrogation I gotta tell you Captain I watched that thing and I thought that Ryan actually held it
00:58:46
together pretty well um not in a way that would imply to me that he's guilty like the detective was
00:58:52
trying to point out um you know stating that oh if somebody pulled me in for murder I'd be mad as
00:58:57
hell well what's crazy to me is he does appear to be mad as hell to me yeah but and um and I I think a mature
00:59:05
way I mean one you're getting questioned about a night that happened two two years ago so think about that night
00:59:12
might be very insignificant to you and then somebody's questioning you about it and you're going well I don't really
00:59:19
remember because the reason why I say that he appears to be mad at times you know but but controlled right is sure
00:59:27
you see him at times where there's like a split second where he'll he'll smack the table and he's like man I'm telling
00:59:32
you I've told you a hundred times I didn't do this I wasn't there I don't know what else I can say and then second
00:59:39
of all you'll see a couple times where he will raise his voice to the detectives basically making the same
00:59:45
argument I don't know how to tell you this any differently than I was not there right but what drives me nuts and
00:59:52
I've said this I think since we started looking into this case is when you watch
00:59:57
these these tapes uh Chucky doesn't make any damn sense right uh the detectives make no damn sense at all the only one
01:00:07
that's not in this crazy make-believe world is is Ryan he's he seems like the only
01:00:14
one that is is speaking with any logical sense right so I mean just like with the
01:00:21
detectives if you can't get Chucky to remember anything or if all of his details are
01:00:28
different and conflicting of the evidence that you know and that you have studied he's not your guy you know what
01:00:36
I mean so it makes zero logical sense to keep pursuing down that road and I like
01:00:42
that he says you know at some point he kind of gives in because he says you know every time he says I didn't do this
01:00:49
I wasn't there well then at some point the police start coming back with the argument well well Chuck was there and
01:00:55
we know Chuck did this and you were with Chuck and his his answer is the same every time he goes okay well fine maybe
01:01:01
Chuck did do this maybe Chuck was there I was knocked right I didn't do this and
01:01:06
then you know he he's asked you see that part where the um the one detective comes in and he tries to play the good
01:01:14
cop you know oh I have a son your age and when I when I look at you I'm seeing my son so I'm here to I'm here to help
01:01:21
you get this off your chest and I'm here to help you talk about this you know sometimes we do things that we don't
01:01:27
mean to do right and for whatever reason we don't know why we do them you know but he sticks with it you know Ryan
01:01:34
sticks with it he says yeah I would have said hey sorry I'm I'm sorry I'm not a douche like your son but I didn't do
01:01:41
this the the thing here is you know not only did I not only only am I innocent of the murder I'm innocent of
01:01:49
having even been there yeah and never was even there now the police they're stuck in this bad situation okay you
01:01:56
know it obviously looks like Ryan's in a bad situation and Chuck is in a bad situation
01:02:02
but the police unbeknownst to the two boys the police they need something because as we pointed out earlier you
01:02:10
know they don't have a lot to go on other than this confession that they've got from this Chuck Erickson
01:02:17
and then the person that supposedly with him Ryan Ferguson is saying the exact opposite I was not there I'm not guilty
01:02:24
of anything they need someone to somewhat back up Chuck's story okay so who who would have gone also their story
01:02:32
it's a collaborative story at this point you're exactly right who would have seen
01:02:36
you there that night oh well you know Chuck points out that at some point after the murder while we were leaving
01:02:43
and going on on our way back to the bar at this intersection we saw this guy that we knew and his name is his name is
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Dallas Mallory we saw him he was at a red light in a vehicle with two girls I had a brief conversation with him at the
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intersection before the light turned green and he took off well they bring in this Dallas Mallory
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and he says I did not see those I did not see Chuck I did not see Ryan I saw neither of those guys at an intersection
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in the early morning hours of November 1st he goes on to say I didn't see those guys on Halloween night either
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well the police keep coming back to him and they say well we know Dallas we know
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that you saw them because Chuck keeps saying that he saw you that he had a conversation with you and at some point
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Dallas is saying you know like you pointed out Captain this is at least two years ago
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so Dallas is like he's confused he's like well how about this if Chuck says he saw me
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then what was I wearing that night well they go to Chuck and they talk to Chuck and Chuck says well Dallas was
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dressed up for Halloween to go to the Halloween parties he was dressed up as a police officer mm-hmm
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and of course the uh the detectives go back to Dallas Mallory and they say he says he saw you you were dressed like a
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police officer and Dallas Mallory says hmm I was I was wearing a police uniform that night that was my character for the
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Halloween parties uh then then I must if he says that that's what I was wearing then I must have seen those guys that
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night right because how would he know so now that they have somebody backing up Chucky's story and their story their
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combined efforts to create this elaborate story the they're going to charge Chucky and
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then they're going to go on trial to charge Ryan Ferguson yeah and and I think let's cover that in tomorrow's
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episode we we should talk about how this gets to trial talk about the trial itself the things that they got right
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the things they got wrong and where this ends up getting us in the end well yeah
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and don't let him thank you [Applause] [Music]