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[Music] crime [Music] [Music] em in the days before she went missing Shelly got a number of calls from her
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distraught daughter asking her to come out and help her move back to Ontario but within hours Emma would call back
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telling Shelly not to come but mother's intuition told her she needed to without
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telling her daughter Shelly boarded a plane when she got to Victoria the shelter said Emma was gone she'd left
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just hours earlier Emma was last seen by two police officers walking near the harbor just meters away from where the
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dive team concentrated its search today I thought that it would just be a matter
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of time I'd go around a corner and I would see her now she says she knows it won't be that simple Emma's belongings
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were discovered in her van she hasn't access to her bank account her mother believes Emma is suffering from a
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serious mental health issue and may have gone into hiding police also believe she's still alive you know we've had a
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little bit of a cooling off period maybe that she's not feeling that there's so much pressure and we're kind of hoping
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that we'll find her now maybe that peace will come in or maybe she'll contact somebody in the family and uh we'll be
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able to make sure she's safe but the efforts of Vic PD investigators and teams of volunteers have turned up
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nothing Emma was scheduled to return to work at redf fish Bluefish Restaurant last Friday her mom hoped she'd just
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show up ready to rejoin Society she did not haven't lost hope that that would be
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absolutely not the case um it's just going to take longer than I thought I guess
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[Music] [Music] [Music] this week we have the mysterious disappearance of Emma philipov this was
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a big case and Canada I am a little behind on this one I must admit I just pretty much recently learned about this
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case Emma's case was and still is well covered in Canada news and media and in November of 2014 the CBC aired The Fifth
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Estate documentary about Emma called finding Emma Emma went missing in Victoria British Columbia but was
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originally from Perth Ontario which is about a 45-minute drive if you obey Canadian and us traffic laws and hold a
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passport so to put this in perspective for everyone Perth is pretty much just north of New York State and Victoria is
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all the way over by Vancouver basically just north of Seattle Emma as said was from Perth she was born January 6th
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1986 Emma from listening to others talk about her and describe her she was a creative artistic person from all
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accounts a pretty private person as well she played the ukulele and always wore long pants she had long hair and she
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looked different to me in some of the pictures that I saw almost like I was even looking at a different person you
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know I saw several pictures that were used for missing posters and of her in recent years before she went missing and
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she her appearance changes a little bit she she tends to look slightly different
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from time to time to me yeah which I think makes this very difficult when you have a person go missing
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um in past cases that we've done a lot of the people that go missing they some of the problems that they have is that
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they have a normal look Emma uh very beautiful girl she doesn't have a normal look it's more artistic but it's
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constantly evolving it's constantly changing like you said it's like one picture to the next you go well is that
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her sister is that her yeah and I don't know if it was just the pictures themselves but some of them look to me
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like her hair is a little lighter and other pictures it looks more like it's brown you know even maybe a dark brown
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or a light brown well some women get bored with their hair color and hair styles so they constantly change them
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but it sounds like and it appears to me that she is a very free-spirited person uh I almost got a little bit of a hippie
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vibe to be honest with you yeah I think a lot of her style would be that but it's it's very eclectic because she' do
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uh things stylistically with her outfits where she would have more of a hippie type pant but then more elegant top so
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is very artistic I would say but she did not arrive in Victoria until the fall of
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2011 so we have this whole other life before way back in Perth Ontario and she grew up in a pretty regular family right
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she had she was born uh January 6 1986 uh her father uh James and her mother Shelly she had two brothers and a
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sister the Philipa family seemed pretty normal and like we were talking before I
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believe James was involved in the Arts somehow and shell was a French teacher at some point at some point the marriage
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is not going so great and uh James starts seeing a younger lady this uh causes a lot of fracture in the family
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this also causes a lot of depression in Shelly at some point there is a confrontation uh shell just loses it she
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goes off on James uh uh I think maybe tried to physically attack him I'm not really for sure of the exact details but
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I believe that Emma actually had to call the police on her mother so this was obviously something that was traumatic
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and anybody that has gone through the whole split of a family understands that especially as
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the child it seems like your whole world is rocked and you feel like what is up and what is down it just
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kind of gets flipped around and you really start trying to you you don't feel like there's a sense of a core
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family so you start coming up with these new rules on your own and how do you want to live your life and what is right
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for you and I think this is what Emma started doing at this point she stops uh regular
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school uh she moves out of the family's home she's not going to be living with James or Shelly at this point uh rumored
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to have a boyfriend that was 10 years older so she's 16 at this time the boyfriend's 26 she eventually is tired
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of all that and ask her Father James if she could move back in now it seems like
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by all accounts that James is not a confrontational person either is Emma so she had sides of both parents Shelly and
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James but leaning on that artistic side of James MH yeah and from what I read the other children were more involved in
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uh competition and and things like sports and she was was always involved in like dance class um and at some point
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where once you quit learning the Dan well you never quit learning the art but at some point you are you a dancer I
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I've never Nick never quit learning the art of danc during the trailer I was chair dancing and collar popping uh but
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at what I'm saying is you never quit studying you never quit learning right but at some point it graduated into
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dance competitions and her parents Shelly says you know that's when Emma seemed to lose interest in in the dance
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class because she was so not into competition she was non-confrontational and it just didn't
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spark her interest anymore yeah I used to teach uh guitar students and some kids you could motivate by you know
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competition maybe their dad played so you wanted to try to get them better than their dad was but some kids just
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did not understand competition didn't get it it was like it was like this foreign idea that made zero sense she
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seems like one of those Souls um so when she moves back into the house you know instead of going back to regular high
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school she ends up going to alternative school she gets high marks she seems like a very you know not only artsy but
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very intelligent individual and then she ends up getting some scholarships and going off to school I believe for
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culinary arts M and I think all the nomatic lifestyle and the whole idea of finding out what the world has to offer
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kind of stem from the separate separation of the family and that just my viewpoint on it so after the kinary
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school I think like you were mentioned that she um taught English in China for a while yeah I think that was pretty
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brief it was just a matter of a few months yeah and then she comes back and then she's kind of him hauling around
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and I think and she did live with her sister at some point in Nova Scotia so we're already seeing this in and out of
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the home um and she's already not only in and out of the home but adventuring off into
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these these foreign places into these different areas of life and lifestyle yeah and she seemed like she had a lot
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of friends but she also was a closed off individual she didn't share everything uh which I think is
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um a pretty interesting quality to have you know she journaled a lot and from all accounts of her journals it seemed
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like it was very poetic so it was like you could read something but you're you're going is this uh what
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does this mean does it mean a does it mean be you know yeah this will come back later and we'll talk more about
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this but uh even her emails would be kind of poetic so uh but very uh positive I would say spiritual you know
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uh somebody that um was really trying to be a positive light force in in other people's lives yeah and it's somebody
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that was really taking it all in as well and and you know those poetic readings can be hard to read you know as you said
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what what are you referencing in those actual topics are you are you expressing your inner feelings are you expressing
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something that you're seeing experiencing it's tough to say yeah and she she actually went and studied uh
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photo photojournalism for a while wasn't really too much into the journalism part
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yeah that's a kind of a Cutthroat uh industry the journalism part yeah maybe some of that not being confrontational
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one not being competitive maybe that's just something that turned her off of it but she was still really interested in
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photography which is interesting about this whole stuff because when you Google images of Emma you'll find a lot where
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she's taking selfies but not you not the Selfies we know of now where you take it
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on your phone she's taking actual like old school selfies where she's taking a picture in the mirror with and you can
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see the old school camera that she's using so now she's in Perth and she's going to make a pretty dramatic shift in
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her life she's going to travel pretty far across across the country like we said she's in Perth which is a little
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bit above like New York City like if you're looking at the map of the United States and she's going to go all the way
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to Victoria which the west coast is the west coast and this is around the Seattle area like above Seattle yeah
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very near Vancouver just above of just north of Seattle um why would she be making this move it's kind of tough to
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say I don't even know that her parents know 100% why she moved out there it appears to me that she may have always
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wanted to venture off somewhere that she was probably intent on moving somewhere
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changing her life setting up her adult life and and living a certain kind of Lifestyle I don't know if she just
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picked a random place or if there was something that Drew her to that area well and she might also just had a
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bucket list of all these different lives that she wanted to live and maybe one of
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those was on the west coast of um in the west coast of the country and she was an
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outdoorsy person I would say that you know we we talk about long walks and things yeah spiritual a little hippie
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and kind of a little bit of a tree hugger and I think that Victoria was a bit of a a place that people like that
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tended to end up well kind of like Seattle you know Seattle is a great place for or you know you know keep
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Seattle weird so if you're a little little different you know you want to be around uh the different Vibes I think
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that's what she might have been searching for but before she moves out there there is this relationship or
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friendship that she gets involved in and some have referred to it as a relationship a maybe a romantic one some
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people call it acquaintance and some people just simply call it a friendship yeah and I I here I'm just going to
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throw it out there I think it was a friendship or you know I think it was a little more than just an
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acquaintance and who was this person his name is Julian and how they meet is they're at a music festival yeah they're
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at a music festival and Julian says that he saw Emma she was in a like a booth you know they have they had booths there
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for different artists and you could you could view their art you could purchase their art and uh this was a photographer
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and he he kind of pretends like he's really interested in the photographer and in their booth and the art but it
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sounds more like he was just going to that area because he noticed her from afar and thought you know well here's an
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attractive girl that I'd like to talk to well let me break this down for all the
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women listeners right this is how it works in men's head I think they know how it works but go ahead well well
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first of all all men are dumb let's start with that idea but normally the way it works is that men are so visual
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that the whole idea of uh love at first sight that's a man thing right because we just so I believe Julian uh saw Emma
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from across the way and just was like I got to get to know her and I uh a little
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sappy but you know I I think this guy was maybe a little bit of a loner maybe didn't get a lot of attention his way
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from the ladies um I'm just speculating at this point but he sees this girl that
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he just is fascinated with and he wants to get to talk to her and she happens to
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be at a photography Booth so guess who's going to go act like they're interested
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in photography exactly well it is a multiple day uh Festival so you know who knows some people try to hook up at
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these things we don't know his intent but we do know that he says that he goes to the photographers Booth with with the
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idea that hopefully he will talk to this girl or she might talk to him MH and so
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he's in there and he's pretending he's somewhat interested in the art but uh that's a typical male though I really
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hope she talks to me yeah like just get just make the move so he's telling the photographer that he would like to set
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up a time where he could go to her gallery and maybe view some of her art maybe purchase some of it get to know
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yeah and at this point they're in a conversation together so it's kind of like she's had he's having a
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conversation with the photographer but Emma's kind of involved in the conversation yeah it's kind of a good
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easy way to meet the girl that you spotted from across the way and at some point she asked him if he's going to go
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in to see the band that's going to play inside and of course the answer is yes right when the girl you're hoping to
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talk to asks you if you're going to go somewhere the answer is always yes uh so it was at this Festival that they spark
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up this friendship and he told her that he intended to go and take a bike ride to see the photographer and talk more
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about her art and view more of it and uh she says Emma says well this sounds like
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a great idea I you know I could go with you how about we go tomorrow yeah and it's pretty interesting cuz this uh this
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guy's a little bit of a interesting bird uh I I like parts of his jib I can say cuz uh he doesn't drive a car he's just
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not driving a car he's into bike riding his bike which is cool um and so they start hanging out they build up some
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kind of friendship ship um and they don't actually go see the photographer the next day like Emma had wished
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because obviously the photographer is going to stay on for the remainder of the music festival which is going to
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last again until the next day um so but what he says ends up happening is instead they go um canoeing and that
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they had a pretty good weekend and he said that it wasn't until maybe a week later that they saw each other again uh
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he describes their relationship as pretty much a friend ship that they enjoy doing things together uh they seem
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to have some things in common and some similar interests yeah and he's a french guy so some of his when you there's a
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really cool interview with him that that the listeners should check out uh that you'll go in we'll go into more detail
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uh that interview goes into more detail than we will MH but he some of his French gets lost like as his the
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translation is a little off so you know he says well I don't know if it was a crush it's definitely an infatuation
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right he's infatuated with this girl he he believes that she's a very pretty individual she's given him a little
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attention and all by the way she's a little bit of a horse of a different color so that's fascinating and he says
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that she pretty much only like she wants to go on walks like that's and she wants
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some company on these walks and that's what they primarily did on the times that he met up with her and through the
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course of their friendship and he did say that it according to him it did become romantic one evening um and then
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and we don't know exactly what that means maybe it was just a A Kiss maybe we we're not for sure no we don't we're
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not going to give the play byplay CU we don't know but he says it did get romantic one evening and he said that
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seemed to dramatically change the Friendship afterwards that uh she had expressed to him that she was going to
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be leaving uh town that she was moving to live elsewhere and that because of this she
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didn't want to get into any type of relationship with him right and I think some of this possibly could stem from
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the relationship uh going south with her mother and father she might have some issues there uh also possibly Emma comes
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off as a as a person that doesn't want to make any plans and I wonder if that stems from the a that you have this
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family structure and then it gets fractured and that changed everybody's life course and I wonder if she's just
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afraid to make plans because then those plans get get could get ruined I also wondered if it was one of two or if not
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both things was she so dead set on leaving town that she didn't want to have anything to keep her there or did
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she was she leaving town to to live a different life and didn't want anything from her past life tagging along to this
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into this new world that she's venturing off in yeah we have this relationship and it took off it somewhere and after a
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romantic advance or romantic encounter at some point we have Emma saying no we got to call this off because I'm moving
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and we're not going to have a relationship she uh you know this doesn't sit well with Julian he he is he
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likes her and he's probably wondering oh what happened to this friendship now and
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possibly he could just be going okay yeah we made a mistake we shouldn't be like a romantic couple but he still
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wanted her in her and his life and it sounds like to me that this relationship took place over the course of a few
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weeks and that they had only seen each other maybe 10 or a dozen times uh so it where it may have meant something for
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him it may have meant something totally different to her we know she's planning on leaving and but he wants more answers
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you know he's that's not good enough you know and sometimes you do need to be told hey you know he wants closure on
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some level so he calls and he he wants he wants further explanation why there's no friendship anymore and she basically
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tells him the same thing but also what's interesting is James actually picks up the phone well not on this not on this
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call there there's a first call where she tells him not to call anymore I I wish you would not call anymore and and
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then you're right he does call again and at this point James picks up the phone and he says you know Julian he already
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she already said not to call her anymore and he explains to the Father the same thing that he said to Emma on the first
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call and then she does hop on the phone and she is a little more polite about it
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this time where it's you know kind of lets him down easy I guess and he says he felt better and he was felt like he
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was going to be able to move on at this point yeah I mean I think sometimes you have these breakups even if it's just a
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friendship where you know somebody's a positive positive light in the other person's life and the other person
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doesn't really need the other person around MH so what becomes interesting here is so he feels like okay yeah well
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that's more closure I get it okay she was a really cool girl but now she's just not going to be in my life and then
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the next day Emma shows up at his house mhm and and I and I respect this because
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it's this idea of yeah well I should have talked to you face to face I shouldn't talked to you on the phone uh
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you deserve better than that they had a little bit longer and more depth talk about this they hugged it out and said
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wish you luck and that's it mhm becomes a little more interesting when she shows
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up the next day yeah and it's hey you want to go for a walk it's another one of Emma's walks and now we should uh I
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don't think we' mentioned this yet but she doesn't like to walk and shoot okay she likes to walk Barefoot so much
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so that she would be rubbing the bottoms of her Souls so bad that they would be almost like blood on her feet mhm so uh
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he explains that he goes on this walk with her and she's playing her ukulele she only knows about one cord and she's
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plunking away and basically he makes some silly remark because she wears the same she has these
00:28:25
like famous pants that she wears these like hippie style pants and he makes this remark about it that she gets a
00:28:32
little upset she wants to finish the walk yeah something to the fact of you know why why don't you ever wear dresses
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or you you know you seem to wear the same thing all the time some a remark along those lines so she finishes the
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walk by herself and now we're kind of back to where we started because or you know there were friends then they kind
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of broke up and then they're going to not be friends anymore but everybody's okay with with it and now we're on a
00:28:59
walk again we're friends but now she gets upset and so kind of a whirlwind for a guy that has such a a fascination
00:29:07
with Emma MH well but the the Simplicity of it is it sounds to me like she has plans he doesn't have any plans no he
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has plans I mean he's going to school mhm so at this point Emma is going to the Friendship is severed it didn't get
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the clean closure like Julian wanted and now is going to head off to Victoria and
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fall of 2011 she had several jobs in the year Le leading up to her disappearance but she
00:31:59
did work as a chef while she was in Victoria she worked at the redf fish blue fish one fish two fish thank you Dr
00:32:07
Seuss where I guess she was like a seasonal employee but it sounds also like this was just a seasonal restaurant
00:32:14
um she left the job October 31st 2012 she did say that she she technically didn't leave the job but the
00:32:22
job stopped for the season they closed and she did say that she intended to return When the restaurant would open
00:32:28
again after the winter months Emma had been staying at the Sandy maramman house this is a women's shelter and it's a off
00:32:37
andon situation for her since about February of 2012 and when I say off and on I believe they had a month in and a
00:32:46
month out policy but you could return after your month out and you could stay again for another month yeah there was a
00:32:53
lot of speculation that she was there most of the time but it seems like she was a Wanderer in Victoria she would
00:33:01
stay at a friend's house boats possibly even stay in underneath a tree there's mention of even a Emma Tree House well
00:33:09
and there was some couch surfing I'm sure that was involved you know staying with friends or maybe co-workers but she
00:33:14
would end up from time to time you know month here month there at this women's shelter and you know this is a place
00:33:22
where you know they take in people that need a place to stay and sometimes you know when you have a wom shelter it's
00:33:28
because some people are seeking Refuge from a domestic violence situation or they've been thrown out of their homes
00:33:35
for whatever reason but you know these are these are people in a need of a place to stay uh some of them just
00:33:40
homeless some of them are taking advantage of a of a free situation I guess mhm and there was some interesting
00:33:48
things happening at this point um we're going to talk a little bit later about these surveillance tapes that you'll see
00:33:55
Emma on the day that she goes missing but there's some accounts there's some stuff going on with her mentally but
00:34:02
when she writes home to family memb she's always talking in poetry so everything's really kind of cryptic you
00:34:10
know but it's always light Airy very positive upbeat kind of uh tone to it um so at this shelter she actually
00:34:20
took all the electronics the TV the radio clock stuff like that and they she puts it out in the yard and then they
00:34:27
said to her this stuff can't go out in the yard yeah and these are not her things right these are the shelter's uh
00:34:34
property and she takes them out they said you can't do that and so instead of returning to them I believe she either
00:34:39
put them in a bush or she just put them around like she she didn't put them back
00:34:44
where they belonged and and just a couple weird things like that that would happen and after her disappearance they
00:34:51
would the staff at the shelter would say that she was exhibiting um obvious signs
00:34:57
of maybe paranoia or some kind of mental health issue going on with Emma yeah it
00:35:02
didn't seem like there was a lot of drugs involved like I mean I couldn't find anything that like would state that
00:35:09
she um liked certain types of drugs or anything so this to me seems like some kind of psychosis going on just days
00:35:18
before her disappearance on November 28th Emma had called her mother Shelly asking if she could come home and of
00:35:26
course her mother would was ready to help now I should point out that we already talked about that her parents
00:35:31
were split up so she's just reaching out to one parent and saying that she would
00:35:36
like to come home her mother Shelly is saying you know I I'll buy you a plane ticket and then Emma's calling back or
00:35:43
or saying you know I'm not ready to come home yet there's too many things for me
00:35:47
to take care of there's a lot of back and forth between her and her mother about her coming home her not coming
00:35:53
home well what's interesting is with her having this artistic spirit and her dad
00:35:58
being involved in in in the Arts in some fashion it seemed like maybe she was closer personal personality wise to her
00:36:07
Father James but you know it's your mother so when you to to me and and this is different for every family but most
00:36:16
of the time if the son is having trouble and he needs help he calls his father if
00:36:21
the daughter is having trouble she calls the mother so the first call comes in she says hey I I need some help and then
00:36:29
calls right back no I'll take care of it and and at this point shell is talking to the family memb saying hey I talked
00:36:36
to Emma and they said hey well if she said she'll take care of it you don't need to go so she said okay I'm not
00:36:41
going to worry about it until it happens again yeah because at one point she stops this I'm I need to come home you
00:36:49
know and she's saying she's got to tie up Loose Ends beforehand but now she's asking if Shelly would come out there
00:36:55
and help her with with with tying these things up and Gathering her things to help her return home so there's these
00:37:02
conversations of I'm coming home or kid you come out and help me well and Emma's
00:37:06
not being forthcoming with exactly what she's doing all the time so it's like she's off on these adventures and she's
00:37:12
riding home like I said cry cryptically so Shelly at this point really kind of has no idea how much
00:37:21
trouble she's in or if she is in trouble just my daughter's calling saying I'd like to come home yeah she doesn't know
00:37:27
that she's in trouble and actually the family doesn't know that she had been staying off and on at this women's
00:37:32
shelter right so Shell's now in a situation where she's booking plane tickets to get her daughter home she's
00:37:39
booking plane tickets to get herself out to Victoria to to bring her daughter home and this is like we said it's not a
00:37:46
short trip this is a this is a big flight you know and Shelly would have to make arrangements to go out there she
00:37:52
has family and responsibilities back in per Earth that she needs to take care of
00:37:58
she's gone across the whole country yeah and I think she even had a pet you know
00:38:02
that needed to be watched and and a a a child that was still living at home um and so this would be this would take
00:38:10
some arranging to go out there and get her daughter we're seeing this situation Captain is this anything like the on and
00:38:19
off again thing that we saw with Julian back in Perth before she left I mean we see this uh within a handful of days
00:38:27
she's asking her mother to make arrangements whether it be for her to go home or for Shelly to come out there and
00:38:33
then she's ultimately just cancelling uh sometimes at the last minute uh over and
00:38:39
over again it's this back and forth back and forth between you know should I stay
00:38:43
or should I go kind of situation where well I think she kind of is just lost really and and so if you're calling your
00:38:52
your family members for help there's there's possibility where she's calling and feeling better like okay my mom's
00:38:59
going to come help me but then maybe getting some anxiety or like I said if there's some psychosis going on that she
00:39:06
I mean who knows at this point ultimately Emma's mother Shelly she decides that she would just go ahead and
00:39:13
head out to Victoria unbeknownst to Emma uh she was going out there and we can only assume that she was going out there
00:39:21
to check on the well-being of her daughter and to see if for herself if Emma needed to come home or needed any
00:39:27
help while she was out there let's break down the movements and what we know about Emma and what she was doing on the
00:39:36
day that she disappeared this is November 28th 2012 Emma talks to the hotel staff at
00:39:44
the Chateau Victoria this is a hotel uh just after 7 a.m. she had her van it was
00:39:52
a 1993 Mazda MPV read and color and it is believed that she was primarily using this van for storage uh now this does
00:40:03
make sense because sometimes at these shelters or homeless shelters there are there's thievery that would take place
00:40:10
and having a vehicle or a place to store your things would be great you know to keep those items whether they have
00:40:16
monetary value or just simply value to yourself mhm I couldn't find anywhere like any record that whether or not this
00:40:24
van worked that was what I was most curious about because that would be you know an obvious form of transportation
00:40:30
that she would have at her disposal at any time and you know she parked it there that's what I wondered does it
00:40:37
work because it they say she often parked it there which makes it sound like this van may have moved around from
00:40:44
time to time maybe it worked but it just didn't work that well like not enough where she'd want to take it on a on a
00:40:49
long road trip to drive 45 hours to get back to Perth yeah maybe it was it was running but in much need of repair she
00:40:58
talks to the host the hotel staff because she parked in a neighboring parking lot and she had the vehicle had
00:41:05
been towed it had been towed away and we should note that the hotel is very close
00:41:11
to the Sandy marman House women shelter where she had stayed often yeah it seems
00:41:16
like this community is pretty you can get by by just walking yeah and after talking to this hotel staff finding out
00:41:24
that her vehicle has been towed um she uses her bank card at 8:23 a.m. this is at a
00:41:32
7eleven uh and this is about a block away from the hotel she is seen on camera and she is seen purchasing a
00:41:39
prepaid credit card she's seen looking out the window here uh for what is described as a longer than usual amount
00:41:48
of time almost like she's looking for someone or waiting for someone mhm yeah it's a little it's was like she's
00:41:57
checking to see if her rid's there mhm you know and then that's where a lot of people go well was she looking for
00:42:03
somebody was she fearful of somebody was the person actually real or was it just
00:42:09
uh some some sort of psychosis where she's just imagining somebody from here we can't say for certain but it is
00:42:17
believed that Emma may have visited the library around noon uh and everyone will
00:42:23
tell you that Emma often visited the library and actually one of the things that they found in her vehicle that had
00:42:30
been towed was some library books that she had checked out before her disappearance at 5:54 p.m. Emma returns
00:42:39
to the very same 7-Eleven and she again uses her bank card a second time this time she is buying a prepaid cell phone
00:42:48
and this time too she again is looking out the window and she's pacing between the window in the door and looking out
00:42:58
and I believe on the first video the first time she visited 7-Eleven that or and it might even be on the second video
00:43:05
there's some kind of speculation that she possibly is on a cell phone which is very strange because why would you be
00:43:12
purchasing a cell phone if you already had a cell phone MH maybe you just wanted a a backup if you're thinking
00:43:17
about traveling maybe that's something you would do if you're going on some kind of Adventure by yourself um there's
00:43:24
just speculation about it I've watched it it doesn't look like that to me but I mean uh something to think about as
00:43:31
you're watching the video well and Emma was not known to have a cell phone right
00:43:36
yeah there was no recollection from her father her mother about this that would go more with the spiritual type hippie
00:43:42
lifestyle but again we talked about the uh the bank card she did have a bank account MH uh which you know um maybe
00:43:50
she had to direct deposit or or something like that um which but I'm just saying saying I just bring up that
00:43:57
point because that is a little bit um unusual I think for the nomadic lifestyle to have a bank account yeah I
00:44:05
I would say it's just a little little different like maybe where you'd want to carry more cash maybe you'd have the
00:44:10
bank account but you would want to be carrying cash more because this is this is somebody that obviously doesn't like
00:44:16
to make plans and her mother says that she didn't believe Emma to have a cell phone because when Emma did call her
00:44:24
when she did call her she she would get random numbers and um as a matter of fact one of the times at least one of
00:44:31
the times when she called the name of the women's shelter had come up on the on Shell's caller ID and because it was
00:44:40
Sandy maramman was the name of the of what came up on her caller ID her mother kind of assumed that that was maybe her
00:44:48
roommate's name right or like a friend that she was staying with exactly she had no clue that it was the the name of
00:44:54
a shelter house mhm Emma is leaving the 7-Eleven store she leaves there around 6:00 p.m. she then
00:45:02
stops at the Sandy marman house the staff reports having seen her there and seeing her leave the Sandy marman house
00:45:10
just after 6:00 p.m. after Emma gets afterward Emma gets into a taxi she uses her debit card to pay for a ride uh this
00:45:20
is what turns out to be a very short ride early in 2013 the police were not releasing information regarding the cab
00:45:30
ride other than to say that it was a short ride and it was only within the downtown area later we would learn that
00:45:37
she had asked the driver to drive her to the airport she also asked the driver how much the fair will be the driver
00:45:45
says it's going to be about $60 and Emma says that she cannot afford the ride and
00:45:51
then asked to be dropped off at the hotel which is downtown M uh Victoria and again not more than a few blocks
00:46:00
from the women's shelter and even a shorter distance from the 7-Eleven that she had visited twice that day Emma
00:46:07
asked the driver when they arrived to their spot if she could stay in the vehicle with with him for a a little
00:46:14
while you know and he agrees but then the do she want to like warm up or something I imagine so because it was
00:46:20
pretty cold that day and um he agrees that she can stay in the vehicle but you know it's just until he receives a call
00:46:27
that he's got to go on that's going to actually pay him some money you know right and this is all strange anyways
00:46:32
because once she goes missing and like we talked about the bank account she had money in the bank account she could have
00:46:39
actually afforded this ride exactly she had I believe under $33,000 in her account so it would have been plenty of
00:46:47
money to get her to 60 bucks the weird thing is that she's calling the mom right mhm uh I need help
00:46:56
come get me then she's like NOP I don't need help okay come get me I need help nope don't come get me and then the day
00:47:04
that she's going missing that this is you know a very important day to break down she asked for a ride to the airport
00:47:12
was some of the thought that well I'm just going to go you know what I mean she just going to go home yeah why why
00:47:20
would you be going to the airport well I yeah the the other thought is too the mother says that she's heading out there
00:47:28
and Emma does not know about her flying out there mhm what's going on with her asking about going to the airport on the
00:47:36
same day that her mother's coming in is you know the same thought is you maybe was she going to leave and fly somewhere
00:47:43
on her own or was she going to greet her mother at the airport that she knew was
00:47:47
coming in yeah but she didn't know the mom according to the mother Emma did not know we don't have Emma to ask if she
00:47:54
knew if her mother was arriving or not right right right yeah yeah it could be this idea of well I meet my mom in the
00:48:01
airport and if I keep her at the airport then I don't have to show her the women's shelter I don't have to show her
00:48:08
my van I don't have to show her how I've been living yeah and I mean it's a strange thing I'm guessing that she
00:48:14
wanted to a ride to the Victoria Airport International Airport which was about a
00:48:18
30 minute drive so sounds like a roughly $60 Affair to me um so I'm guessing that
00:48:24
that's the airport in question uh but the thing here too is she ask if she can stay in the taxi and she stays for a
00:48:33
brief period of time driver says you know yeah until I get my next call and then some calls start coming over on his
00:48:40
dispatch radio and he says that she seems to react to these calls and she kind of panics or freaks out and she she
00:48:51
hastefully exits the vehicle well that kind of goes back back to that little story I was telling you
00:48:57
about moving the and the and the clocks and stuff is she would complain that they're too loud
00:49:03
just I think I think she did the same thing in the cab ride was she was saying it's too loud the radio is too loud and
00:49:10
then at some point like maybe underneath her breath said it's talking to me to me
00:49:15
that is a definite sign of some kind of you know schizophrenia psychosis some paranoia there's all kinds of things
00:49:23
going on that could be happening again no drug use talk from the cab driver either no no he doesn't seem to
00:49:33
think that she had been drinking or have been under the influence of anything now
00:49:39
shortly after she's exits the vehicle mhm now she is seen standing on the street and she's Barefoot we had already
00:49:49
said that it was very cold that day I mean this is this is come on it's obvious that it's cold it's late
00:49:55
November in Canada we're assuming it would be cold and I think the reports were that it was just above uh 0 de that
00:50:02
day you know uh I don't know what the temperature was at this exact time but this was somebody that that knew Emma
00:50:09
this was an acquaintance of hers this was a uh a gentleman that had bumped into her and met her at the library she
00:50:18
was um she was reading up on Japan or CH China or something like that and and he
00:50:24
was reading up on the same stuff this Sparks the conversation so they didn't know each other well yeah okay so
00:50:29
there's this other thing so now we're you're going to bring in this other point this is what you know makes these
00:50:34
cases so fascinating there's the there's all this little tiny details that add up
00:50:40
so she's looking up uh Japan probably China she's going to go on a trip with her father and she's saving up for this
00:50:47
so that that goes back to the other point about the cab driver maybe she could afford the 60 bucks but she's
00:50:54
saving up for this trip that she's supposed to take with her father so yeah she can afford the 60 bucks but she's
00:51:00
choosing not to to save that money for that trip mhm and I'm assuming that even a flight from Victoria to uh Perth or
00:51:08
near Perth however close you can get via airport is probably not super cheap either it might not cost thousands of
00:51:15
dollars but it's probably several hundreds of dollars and for somebody that doesn't like to plan maybe that was
00:51:20
one of her ideas for calling her mother well if I have my mother come out here and get me then she will play she'll pay
00:51:27
for the plane ride home and I can still store my money for this trip that I want
00:51:31
to take so this person that knows her this guy that knew her just from that one encounter at the library and he says
00:51:37
acquaintance yeah yeah he doesn't say we have any kind of relationship or anything like that it was a onetime
00:51:41
thing that they had I I it might be more than that because he said he recognized
00:51:46
her and well he he knew her yeah but he just wasn't like we didn't I I just think he's met her more than a couple
00:51:54
times whether that doesn't really matter what it comes down to is you run into this person that you you know their
00:52:01
actions you know their demeanor he knew her by name and recognized her standing on the street in very cold temperatures
00:52:09
Barefoot clutching her she's kind of holding her shoes to her chest yeah and he goes and talks to her yeah and
00:52:15
actually he calls her by name he comes up to her and he says hey Emma is everything all right you know because
00:52:21
I'm sure she probably looks out of place you know she probably looks distraught at this point we know
00:52:27
that she was scared or seemed to be scared by the the chatter coming over the dispatch radio well I mean if you
00:52:33
saw anybody just walking around holding their shoes wouldn't you think something's up yeah and he says that she
00:52:40
doesn't seem to recognize him that she doesn't seem to know who he ish now at some point she she opens up a little bit
00:52:49
and she she maybe maybe she recognized him after some talk um but he said that he talked with her and spent almost an
00:52:57
hour with her uh but because of her actions and because of the some some of the things that she is saying he's very
00:53:04
worried about her he does not have a cell phone I guess Victoria is the kind of place where there's just nobody with
00:53:10
a cell phone so if they're if you're in Victoria I guess nobody's hearing this on their
00:53:14
smartphone no I don't think that I don't think that's how I don't know maybe I'm
00:53:18
joking right but well he doesn't have one so that's this guy doesn't have one and and and apparently didn't have one
00:53:26
as well so that's two out of what well it's like it's like Seattle you know it's like keep Seattle weird keep
00:53:32
Victoria weird so he goes to a nearby place and he calls 911 he calls the police they arrive which I commend him
00:53:40
for because I mean most people how many times have you run into somebody from high school and you just went this this
00:53:46
dude is off his rocker yeah and then you never thought twice about it you just walk right past him like oh good good
00:53:53
thing I'm not friends with that guy anymore how manytimes the answer is every single time no but no you're right
00:53:59
he he sees that she seems to be distressed and he he wants to get her some kind of help and so he's reporting
00:54:05
this and um he probably needs to go on his merry way at some point as well well like you said he talked to her for about
00:54:12
an hour um and then the cops show up well and the other thing too is like okay if I'm that guy in that situation I
00:54:21
don't I'm not somebody that that I can recognize some illness I don't understand it and I'm also not trained
00:54:28
in how to to treat it or deal with it or to get this person the proper help and I
00:54:33
think his heart was in the right place I'm going to get put her potentially in touch with somebody that could help her
00:54:40
right and you don't you know whether some sometimes you run into somebody that has an addiction problem
00:54:47
and then you run into somebody that has a mental issue and sometimes they look very similar it's hard to distinguish
00:54:53
between the two yeah so sometimes just just going is is this person uh on something mhm you know or is there just
00:54:59
something not right in their head currently and so the police arrive and they spend what they say is about 45
00:55:07
minutes talking with Emma um they ask her you know several questions you know I would I would have liked to have been
00:55:15
a fly on a street sign that day uh to hear their conversation wish you were fly on the street sign
00:55:21
too uh but they I'd hit you with the newspaper they say that they ask her you know some general questions you know
00:55:29
have you have you been eating do you have a place to stay do have you ever listen to this flies
00:55:36
podcast um no no no but it's good there there there's a kind of Common Core type
00:55:42
uh questions that they're supposed to ask to see and and the thing is is because they can't arrest you just
00:55:50
because you might be off medicine or need medicine but they can arrest you if they think you're going to try to cause
00:55:58
har harm to yourself or somebody else yeah and she does tell them that she has a place to stay she tells them that
00:56:04
everything is fine she says she's been eating you know oh just like how you said she said everything was fine uh her
00:56:11
mother Shelly has asked the police quite a bit about this conversation that they
00:56:16
had with her daughter uh she's concerned that maybe they didn't uh handle things
00:56:22
uh in Emma's best interest uh and that look that's hard to say as a mother I get where she's coming from but think
00:56:29
about the law enforcement they spent 40 minutes to an hour with her and they felt comfortable
00:56:35
to let her go well there's a couple things here okay so us we Shelly everybody now we know the end result of
00:56:46
of Emma that day you know we know that we we're looking for her we can't find her and she doesn't seem to be around
00:56:53
right we know the end result the officers there speaking with her at the time and I believe there was two of them
00:57:00
they don't know the end result when they're talking to this person so at some point if she seems sane and if she
00:57:06
seems to have her you know wherewithal about her that that that they have to go they have a job to do and they have
00:57:14
other people to look after as well um well and also if you're an a manic or a psychotic State sometimes you can be
00:57:21
very persuasive so does that make any sense at all oh yeah well and you're exactly right so
00:57:29
you're having this uh manic you know attack basically and you're in this manic State and you have this mission
00:57:37
that you're putting your mind on and the the cops are asking you and and you just
00:57:42
you just turn it on and and maybe that's something that she was able to do the the my issue with it is that we have a
00:57:49
girl went missing and they have some kind of transcripts and I don't think it's like a full transcript of what
00:57:56
happened I think there's some notes cuz they didn't record it um I don't know what's in it but they but on that point
00:58:04
she was saying go ahead well what I just want to touch on something real quick you're talking about yeah the
00:58:10
transcripts of what of their conversation with her and I think you you hit the nail on the head right there
00:58:15
it's not they didn't they didn't write things down as they were talking with her they may have made a couple of notes
00:58:21
but I'm assuming that this is the same situation that we saw with like the West Memphis 3 case where we had the the the
00:58:28
incident at Bojangles and the the police did go there but there didn't seem to be
00:58:33
anything of interest to them so they make a couple notes there's not an actual report that's put together or or
00:58:39
or an official report of that encounter until after we hear the result and the result is later that day Emma is
00:58:48
reported missing and now oh we spoke to that person we need to come up we we need to file a report and we're going to
00:58:56
do most of that off memory yeah and the case is still open and and the explanation that they give to Shell is
00:59:04
well if there are criminal charges that we need to press then this is evidence that we could use in court it won't be
00:59:12
admissible in court if we give uh shell the records and I just think that's kind
00:59:17
of weird I think the I I believe and we've seen this a lot with the mara Murray case uh with Fred Murray wanting
00:59:24
information that I believe that there should be some kind of thing where I understand that she's an adult but she's
00:59:31
missing and the mom's trying to look for her and maybe open up the that line of communication a little bit bigger here
00:59:39
was the thing that disappointed me about the police officers now I know that in this area and I'm assuming that this
00:59:46
holds true in most areas that the police are well aware of where homeless people
00:59:52
or people seeking shelter can go and they have a general idea of the rules of those places and you know all these
01:00:02
shelters they have a curfew you know you can stay here tonight Captain if you if
01:00:08
you're here by our curfew by 10 a by 10: p.m. by 9 p.m. well right but it's my garage I'll stay here if I want to you
01:00:16
you're damn right you're damn right but what I'm getting at is so my first thought right was that I was
01:00:23
disappointed in the police because I thought okay here here is a woman that that appears distraught enough for
01:00:29
somebody that knew her to call the police yeah so I and and they say that a lot of her answers were just yes and no
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it wasn't a whole lot of conversation right so my thought was we asked her do you have a place to stay yes I have a
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place to stay you know they followed that up with where are you staying M and it could be my bad but my first thought
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was she she was staying at the women's shelter well these police would know roughly what the curfew is for that
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evening and I was a little disappointed that they did not drive her there seeing
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that this is a place that does offer help to people and she seems to be somebody that is in need of help but you
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did touch on something there where you said maybe she could turn it on and we don't know that she provided them with
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truthful answers she could have said I have a roommate she could have said I'm staying with friends I'm staying on a
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boat house living on a boat house and so we don't know exactly what she told her
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I hope and or what she told them told them yeah and and I hope that had she told them that she was staying at the
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shelter that they would have offered her some assistance getting there and I know
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it was just a few blocks but but still it was very cold night time is setting in and again someone that knew her was
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worried enough about her her mental state or her wellbeing that he called thece police no that all makes sense but
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I was trying to dive into this angle that if a cop picks up another uh individual and it's not on a charge that
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if something happens they're not covered so there so then there's a liability issue there and I was look I was looking
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into it as much as I could I couldn't find anything conrete but uh it's just like when somebody says you know like if
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you ask for a taxi ride or something the cop can't give you a ride because there's liabilities there right I see
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what you're saying it's not a it's not a service that they need to provide to everybody Emma's mother Shelly she
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arrives in Victoria the same day as we had said uh that Shel went missing and this is she lands about 3 hours
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afterwards yeah so as soon as she gets to Victoria she goes to the women's shelter expecting to see her daughter
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Emma the staff then tells Shelly that Emma did not come to the shelter that night to stay the night uh so as we had
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said these shelters have a curfew and with some of the places they may have different curfews that could vary from
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time to time depending on which day of the week it is um but she didn't make it there in time for curfew to stay the
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night so they don't know officially that she's missing at this point they just know that she's not there and not
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welcome to stay the night right and they can't give Shelly that much information
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but it is through talks between shell and the staff at the Sandy marman house that they determined that they're
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starting to put things together here and they now have to report Emma as missing
01:03:35
so November 28th 2012 at age 26 Emma Philip off is Officially Missing we have so much more to discuss about
01:03:46
this but we are running short on time so this is going to have to be a part two which will come out tomorrow we do have
01:03:52
some recommended reading for you though captain this week we are recommending The Devil
01:03:56
in the White City by Eric lson this was a big time award-winning book I do believe that there is a movie coming out
01:04:03
regarding this case uh starring uh the one and only me you no I don't think I'm in it no it's the uh DiCaprio guy he's
01:04:13
going to be in it w he looks similar well there have been talks about them making this and I think they've been
01:04:17
making the movie for quite some time so give up on the movie and go get the book
01:04:21
The Devil in the White City this is about HH Holmes who many regard as America's first serial he I saw this at
01:04:28
the bookstore too yeah this is a very popular True Crime book and you can pick it up by going to truecrime garage.com
01:04:35
go to the recommended page we have our recommended books there and just click on the Amazon Banner purchase your book
01:04:41
through there it helps our show you can buy other things through through Amazon using that banner and that helps the
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show as well and I have a recommended listening you want to check out the nighttime podcast yes the night Time
01:04:54
Podcast uh Jordan our buddy over there he did an interview with Shelly he did I think two parts um with Shelly uh and
01:05:03
then he talked to the marar guys about the Emma Philip off case our friends as well yeah and then he uh did an
01:05:10
interview with Julian AKA quote unquote the stock stalker and I'll tell you what
01:05:16
if you if you don't want to go listen to all three parts of the nighttime podcast
01:05:20
I recommend all three parts they were very good but if you only think you have time for one the must listen to is the
01:05:27
Julian interview I I think that's a must listen to right I I was just intrigued I
01:05:32
was hanging on his every word yeah and if you have any tips or thoughts on this case they have a a finding Emma Facebook
01:05:40
group and I I suggest that you check that out if you have any tips I mean maybe you there's a sighting if you
01:05:47
think that maybe you've seen her a couple years ago those tips that can't help them now but uh that's the main
01:05:53
reason why we're covering a case like this uh you know obviously it's for Education value and it's for
01:06:00
entertainment but uh Emma was a a person that touched a lot of people's lives and
01:06:05
seemed like that she was a very positive energy source for a lot of people and um
01:06:11
she also was Somebody's Daughter um and it's important that we talk about these cases and bring them up and even though
01:06:18
it is you know part of our entertainment there is somebody missing and if there's
01:06:22
anything that we could do to help um that's why we wanted to do the story it's it's it's been a popular case in
01:06:29
Canada but it hasn't been that popular in the United States um and we'll we'll dive more into that in in part two and
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at the very least go to the Facebook page so you can see what she looks like and like I said she looks different from
01:06:42
time to time in different pictures see what she looks like you could see her walking down the street tomorrow morning
01:06:47
yeah and we'll be we'll be posting pictures on our Instagram and and Social Media stuff as well and we will see you
01:06:55
guys tomorrow for part two of the Emma Philip off case that's right be good be kind and don't
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