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[Music] crime [Music] what we have come to learn so far in our investigation that I'm willing to
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confirm with you today is that honey and Barry Sherman were last seen alive in the evening hours of Wednesday December
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the 13th 2017 neither of the two had communicated with friends family or Associates from
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that time frame until their discovery on Friday December the 15th there are no signs of forced entry
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on all access points to the home honey and Barry Sherman were found deceased in the lower level pool
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area hanging by belts from a poolside railing in a semi-seated position on the pool deck
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they were wearing their clothing We Believe now through the 6 weeks of work review we have sufficient evidence to
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describe this as a double homicide investigation and that both honey and Barry Sherman were in fact targeted we
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are in the process of attaining or have executed 20 judicial authorizations and searches legal complexities and some
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executions have been challenging giving the litigious nature of Barry Sherman's businesses in particular the certain
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seizure of electronics in Barry Sherman's worksspace at appex two Residential Properties
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belonging to the Shermans have been searched the primary Sherman residence is a three-story family dwelling of a
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size warranting 6 weeks of searching forensic review and seizing of evidence this morning we return the residents to
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the family to date close to 150 bulk or packaged items have been seized and are currently being reviewed and
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forensically analyzed a total of 127 witness statements have have been compiled this number continues to grow
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each day neighborhood canvases have occurred in the area surrounding the Sherman residents the this is included
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the collection of approximately four terabytes of security B video from both commercial and residential properties we
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hope that through today's uh release that we'll Garner a few more or a significant amount of witnesses uh we
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have the 348 investigative actions to follow up on we have all of our seized evidence that we have yet to review uh
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or certainly continue the submissions through the center of forensic Sciences uh confirm with our expert Partners in
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the field I mean it's it's [Music] endless Barry Sherman was one of the wealthiest men in the world before his
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death in 2017 Barry was born Bernard char Charles Sherman in 1942 but to tell you the
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complete story of Barry's life and death we need to go back in time and first talk about Barry's Uncle Lewis Lloyd
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winter who was born in Toronto in 1924 he studied bio chemistry at the University of Toronto and after
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graduating with a master's degree he borrowed $10,000 from his father to open his first company in the family's garage
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there he would process blood work and pregnancy test for local medical offices and his business skyrocketed quickly now
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Lewis also saw a need he knew that the prescription drugs well they were way too expensive and many people could not
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afford them at the time mhm so winter started a generic Pharmaceuticals Company by 1959 he had to purchase a
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whole building for his operations and created what was then called the Empire Laboratories limited by 1964 it was
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Canada's largest pharmaceutical company Winter's life was cut short at the young
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age of 41 when he had a sudden aneurysm now 17 days later his wife died of leukemia the company was taken over by
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their nephew who is Barry Sherman Barry Sherman lost his father when he was just
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9 years old and he grew up working for his uncle's Drug Company mhm after graduating from the University of
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Toronto and getting a PhD in astronautics at MIT he was able to take charge of Empire and in January of 1972
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Sherman and ster limited sold Empire Laboratories in 1973 Sherman started op attacks this was with with a few of the
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former Empire Labor's personnel and he had Incorporated it in 1974 now this was a privately owned and Sherman controlled
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company and at one point claims to be Canada's largest Canadian owned pharmaceutical manufacturer Sherman
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married his wife honey in 1971 she was a fellow University of Toronto graduate born in
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1948 in Austria to polish Holocaust Survivors they had four children a son Jonathan and three daughters this is
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Lauren Alexandra and kayn by 20 16 opch employed over 10,000 people as one of Canada's largest pharmaceutical
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manufacturers with over 260 products selling in over 115 countries now it's charitable arm the Opex Foundation has
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donated over $17 million in free medications Sherman himself has donated over $50 million as well to other
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philanthropic causes in the Toronto area and Beyond Opex has seen a fair number of
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litigation issues as companies have pushed back on its efforts to sell cheaper no-name options one of the most
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high-profile of these clashes occurred when Pharma giant Bristol Meyers squib sued Opex in 2006 to try and stop it
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from selling the first generic form of the heart disease treatment Plavix yeah but these lawsuits would happen for a
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multitude of different reason reasons but one of the main reasons was that when you created a drug that there was a
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window where you weren't allowed to manufacture a generic version of that drug but Sherman didn't like to wait so
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if if the generic wasn't supposed to be made available till next year he'll start making it this year and if you
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want to sue him go ahead and sue him that way so once once the patent Has Lifted he's ready to go to market with
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this product immediately well he and he would also face legal action from family
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members over the years who alleged that they had been cut out of the company uh that he now owned now on Friday December
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15th 2017 emergency crews were called to the home at 50 Old Colony Road in the Bay
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View Avenue and Highway 401 area this is around 11:45 a.m. EMTs responded to a medical emergency that's where Toronto
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police say that a male and a female were found and pronounced dead on the scene the deaths were deemed suspicious but on
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that day police did not confirm the victim's identities nor where in the home they were found they would also not
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say if there were any signs of trauma to the bodies speaking to reporters detective Brandon Price said the deaths
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are suspicious but are not yet being treated as homicides that's because price said investigators are still
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trying to determine if there is Foul Play involved or not and at this point they cannot say 100% with any certainty
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if there is or was not they also said that we're going to know a lot more tomorrow adding that the results from
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the postmortem examinations have yet to be received also they would not say who found the bodies but the CBC Toronto
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confirmed with a police source that they were found by a non-family member that night police would state that they're
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not looking for a suspect and there was no sign of force entry into the family's
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home the following day on December 16th the Canadian pharmaceutical giant Opex confirmed that its founder Barry Sherman
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and his wife honey Sherman were dead and they stated all of us at Opex are deeply
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shocked and saddened by this news and our thoughts and prayers are with the family at this time a neighborhood
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resident this is Sarah Alvi she lived across the street from the Shermans and she said that she was shocked at the
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sight of police activity in what she described as a lovely and quiet neighborhood she said we've never seen
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something like this on this street especially with these people everybody knows who they are it was really
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surprising it was heartbreaking now alvie said that when she heard that the Shermans were selling their home she had
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gone for fun just to check it out at the time she said she spoke with honey sh who she knew quite a bit better than
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Barry she said that everything looked normal when she L went to look at the house the kids rooms were gorgeous it
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was quote picture perfect and then we have this article that comes out Captain this is by Joe warmington of the Toronto
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son with the headline murder suicide suspected in the deaths of Toronto billionaire and wife yeah and the
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article reads Barry Sherman a billionaire businessman and philanthropist was found dead alongside
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his wife honey in their Toronto Mansion Friday morning sources say police were working on the theory the demise of the
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billionaire and his wife which has stunned the city and those who knew them may have been a murder suicide this was
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the theory that the Toronto police service was reportedly going with sources close to the case believe honey
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may have been killed in a secondary location in the $6.9 million Old Colony Road house and then moved to the
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location where she was later found with her deceased husband forensics needs to be done but at this stage it appears
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there was no forced entry and no evidence of anybody else in the house a police Source said emergency responders
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found the pair hanging from a railing that surrounds a lap pool inside the house inspector Brian bot who heads up
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the homicide unit would not confirm or comment on the details of the case but he did tell the Toronto son at this time
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we are not searching for any suspects bot said homicide detectives will conduct a full investigation and all
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avenues will be explored that said police did not immediately find a suicide note and a search of the massive
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house which included reviewing the hes video surveillance system was just beginning now we know the system now
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today Captain we know that the system was ADT uh because ADT techs were seen at the crime scene working with the
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Toronto Police Service yeah what we don't know is whether the cameras that were inside the home and outside the
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home if they were turned on because we have Barry who was notoriously known to not use the system we're going to pay
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for the security system but we're not going to use that thing well and later we would learned that in fact there was
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a camera in the actual pool area where the bodies were found so law enforcement's going with this idea that
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this is um a murder suicide and the family is going to come out and say hey this that's impossible so they get
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another investigative team involved well not only are they not going to be quiet
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about this but they're not going to be slow about getting their thoughts and opinions to the media either because
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very quickly they released a statement and the statement says our parents shared an enthusiasm for life and a
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commitment to their family and Community totally inconsistent with the rumors regrettably circulated in the media as
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to the circumstances surrounding their deaths right we the family the Sherman family are shocked and think it's
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irresponsible that police sources have reportedly advised the media of a theory which neither their family nor their
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friends or colleagues believe to be true the family comes right out and makes a public statement that they aren't buying
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the murder suicide Theory they go on to say that they urge the Toronto Police Service to conduct a thorough intensive
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and objective criminal investigation and urg the media to refrain from further reporting as to the cause of these
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tragic deaths until the investigation is complete now we have friends backing up
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the family so the Sherman family these are adult children of the of the Dead obviously uh disagreeing with the early
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assertion that the police believe that the father killed their mother and then staged the scene and took his own life
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right and as we heard the friends uh there you know there's plenty of friends coming out and saying this is impossible
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this whole idea is impossible it doesn't make any sense to us so we have the the
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children saying not likely and then the friends backing them as well so the family they hired a lawyer this is Brian
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Greenspan to help their own investigation into the tragedy the attorney Greenspan he hires a private
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investigative firm led by a well-respected retired Toronto Police homicide detective who touts discretion
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and definitive final conclusions for his clients the company is clatt investigations which is led by Tom clatt
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who spent 14 years in homicide drug and intelligence bureaus with the Toronto Police Service before his retirement in
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1998 now he went on to co-found a different private investigative for firm before launching his own outfit in
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2015 he has investigated more than 70 murder investigations bringing a successful conclusion to as many or more
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than any homicide investigator in Canada this according to his online biography clatz clients according to
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himself well I I don't want to receive any push back from people going well that's not true I'm I'm basing this off
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of what he has told us and keep in mind it it could be accurate information that
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he's putting out there but it's also it's also a sales point you know he's he needs he's in the business of getting
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clients so his clients have included high-profile groups many of Canada's wealthiest families who were in the
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process of dealing with life-altering family issues it has been reported that the family conducted their own forensic
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autopsy on the bodies of the Shermans before their burial as well so we're seeing the family one they have the
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means to do so a lot of the cases that we cover on here captain we're not dealing with this level of wealth and
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and I want to be clear what we're talking about here we're not talking about rich people we're not talking
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about somebody that lives in the big house in a in a nice neighborhood we're talking about somebody that might live
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in the biggest house in the nicest neighborhood these are these are not rich people these are wealthy people
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yeah I think they were selling their house for like $54 million or something like that and then they were building a
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new house which I believe was like 16,000 square foot or something like that yeah I mean these these are just
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huge homes so what we're seeing here is I mean you have a pool and a hot tub in your
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basement that's what kind of house we're dealing with yeah but we're also talking
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about a family has the means to go to this level of invest when when they've decided that you know what what the
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initial investigation is showing we're not cool with that right well we got the dollars to put together our own team and
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these are no slouches and and look I understand their concern and I also I agree with the idea that there should be
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an investigation but I also think the idea that people come out and go this is impossible it's like there's a lot of
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people that commit suicide that people didn't see that coming or somebody committed a murder and they didn't see
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that coming either right and I agree with that and I don't know that that's the uh I don't know that that's this the
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scenario here I think the scenario here that they're unhappy with is that the police have not outwardly said at no
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point are they on camera going you know what this is a murder suicide and we're got to dig down deep and figure out
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exactly what happened right what has happened here is the police are saying these deaths are suspicious we have no
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we're not looking for any suspects there's no forced entry to the home that's what they're saying on camera now
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according to the media now we're going to take this with a grain of salt here according to the media reporting on the
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case they're stating that police sources are telling them this is a murder suicide and this is how we're looking at
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this so from the outside looking in from the family members perspectives they're
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feeling that hey it's irresponsible of the police to leak this information before they've completed their
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investigation right and it's also irresponsible of the media to drag our good parents' names through the mud
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until this investigation has been completed as well and they just I think what they're worried about is that
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they're seeing things that they don't like from the get-go and they want to see you don't want this train to get too
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far off the tracks before you try to reel it back in right so and the thing here is they have to they have to move
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quickly because if they're going to have a second autopsy performed on The Bodies
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well you know the the Shermans were were Jewish and Jewish tra tradition requires
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like most religions requires that the bodies be buried within a certain amount of time so the uh and that did happen
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funeral services were held for the Shermans on December 21st uh this was in a Toronto suburb and
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attended by several thousands of people and to to to give everybody an idea of the level that Barry and his wife honey
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Sherman were on the Prime Minister attended this service as well as the mayor Justin Trudeau yes as well as the
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mayor and the the Ontario Premiere so we're talking about some of the highest political figures attending this service
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for these good people and the Shermans were donating to their campaigns and things like that so obviously that's why
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they showed up now I do want to be clear though uh that it should be noted that the Toronto police still had control of
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the crime scene this being the Sherman's home where the bodies were found but the
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private experts at this time they were conducting a secondary investigation and they would not be able to conduct an
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investigation inside the home until after the police were finished so we don't have the family here trying to
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interfere I don't see the family interfering with the investigation I see them bringing in their own team and
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maybe aiding the investigation and conducting their own once the police say that they are done the problem with the
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police being done is this is a giant home yeah and like you when you hear the trailer she said uh it took us about 6
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weeks mhm to do all the forensics that we needed to do in this property because of how big it was well and with new
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investigators well there's going to come new theories so these new investigators
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are not going to go into the scene and say hey we think we're dealing with a murder suicide they're going to work
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under the assumption that there are three main scenarios for these private investigators to consider one possible
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double suicide or a double homicide or a m a murder suicide now Captain do you do
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you find it strange you know while we're on the topic that the police are hinting
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toward murder suicide so very quickly after finding the bodies especially now that we know that no note was found or
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no message was sent to someone to indicate uh that's what what had happened I I don't even know what the
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percentages of suicides are left with a note but I would I I would assume that a
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murder suicide there'd be less notes because you would be committing the suicide
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probably based off the fact that you you know you just murdered a loved one and you can't well can't even call
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him Lov one at that point but you just murdered this person that you're close with and now you're killing yourself
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probably because you murdered that person and you don't want to deal with those consequences I don't find it
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strange or odd that they quickly were hinting toward murder suicide scenario and I and I say that because you know
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there's been so many times times throughout my life that I hear oh there's there was a shooting in
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Northeast Ohio mm uh suspected two people dead and that's that's like the first information you hear and then
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within an hour or two you're hearing likely murder suicide you know and and it usually can quickly what I'm
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getting at is it seems to me in most scenarios when police arrive and that ends up being the actual result after an
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investigation is taken place and they've ruled that it was in fact a murder suicide it seems to me that it's
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very often that very obvious signs of that when police arrive on the scene what I find strange here is not so much
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that they might have suspected that to begin with I find it strange one what was at
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the scene that was the indicator for police that that was the route to look at because I I'm not hearing anything in
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the initial reports that point toward that for me but then furthermore it's the other thing too is
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usually when that's the initial thought that ends up being the result right and I don't think that that's what we're
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50% [Music] all right Cheers Cheers captain now we haven't really got into what is known
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about this case the facts and the details surrounding the Sherman couple's death but you know and I apologize that
00:29:42
we haven't got to it yet there was some information we needed to get out but there's also kind of a little bit of
00:29:49
doing that on purpose because with this case and you and I were talking about this the other day you know for this
00:29:55
garage investigation there was a lot of rumors and speculation that were coming out before any real information was
00:30:03
coming out yeah and what information came out early in this investigation the first two or three weeks or so well it
00:30:11
was just a lot of speculation that was regurgitated from one newspaper article to magazine to internet to so on and so
00:30:18
forth and you never really got any sense of what possibly could have happened to
00:30:23
these two people so after some some much digging we're able to piece together a chain of events here in this case so
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let's get right into the thick of it let's go through that chain of events of the facts and what is known about the
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case now keep in mind when we're going through this when we are examining these couple of days the Sherman's daily lives
00:30:48
they're probably vastly different from most of ours these are very successful wealthy people who are probably they
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have a lot of business obligations they're probably busier than most of us what are you trying to say I got some
00:31:02
business well and the other thing though too that I want everybody to keep in mind when we go through this is there
00:31:07
are two major events going on simultaneously during this time in their lives one their home is for sale and
00:31:15
actively being shown to potential buyers and to the Shermans are designing and building a new home to move into
00:31:23
eventually right okay so first on December 12th 2017 this is the day before the couple was last seen alive
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honey missed a scheduled meeting at the bayrest center Foundation where here's what I've
00:31:40
learned from this okay okay they have stated that had it been any other board member for this bayrest Center
00:31:49
Foundation no one would have really paid much attention to this um but with honey
00:31:56
they they kind of dubbed her the Beloved queen bee of this of this group right and so they found it strange that she
00:32:04
did not attend and the other thing that they found strange and and actually the um foundation's president Josh Cooper
00:32:13
outwardly said it was quote bizarre that she was not there now they were a little
00:32:20
concerned that she didn't show up so they sent her an email to make sure that she was okay and she did respond back
00:32:29
fairly quickly and her response was short and simple it just said sorry uh she was dealing with some stuff and
00:32:36
unable to attend right and when you're selling a house they might you know had a showing that she had to get the house
00:32:42
ready for or it could have been some last minute meeting cuz they didn't break ground on their new construction
00:32:50
yet right I don't believe so this was still very much I'm a little confused and I got to be outwardly honest with
00:32:56
you on this because we're not talking about time you're honest we're not talking about the shotgun house that I
00:33:03
live in this is you know this is a project this is going to take a team of people to design this thing and as a lot
00:33:10
of people out there know when you're building something big like this their new home MH you run into obstacles and
00:33:16
things need to be changed and you know people change their minds and opinions on things of how they want things done
00:33:23
through that process as well well and it could be as simple as the an architect or or engineer contacting them saying
00:33:30
hey we need these decisions made today and if not this is going to hold up the process even more so it could be
00:33:37
something as simple as that and maybe she didn't want to dive into the details well and we can read as much or as
00:33:45
little into it as we want but it should be thrown out there that the day before she missed a meeting that she would
00:33:51
otherwise not typically Miss to the point where the president of the foundation said said it was bizarre that
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she was not there and then her response seems vague and given the outcome right right very ominous so now on the day the
00:34:09
day that they were last seen the Shermans met with the Architects at on Wednesday afternoon
00:34:15
this is December 13th at the this is at Sherman's work at Barry Sherman's work mhm apparently honey left the business
00:34:24
after the meeting and this was some time roughly before 5:00 p.m. now it's assumed that she went directly home from
00:34:32
that time and we say that because there are no more reported sightings of her that day right now no one is go ahead I
00:34:41
was going to say that so she goes to the meeting this is at her husband's place of work correct and they're going to
00:34:46
meet with the architects of the of the new build their new home now she drives I don't know if
00:34:54
you found this odd but I just thought this was a little strange kind of like you know put a little pin in my um my
00:35:01
notes she drives um sh champagne color Lexus a newer Lexus like SUV mhm and he drives a
00:35:12
1999 Mustang mhm just found out a little strange well that's kind of one famous thing about
00:35:20
Barry Sherman and I don't know if it's if it's myth or if it's true but but everything you just said would point to
00:35:28
it being true there is a thought that as as extremely wealthy as Barry Sherman was yeah um he in his adult life it's
00:35:37
rumored he only owned four cars and meaning that he owned a car would drive it until it could not drive anymore and
00:35:45
then he would go get another car and repeat this process throughout the course of his life which I just thought
00:35:52
it was a little strange because well maybe not even strange but to me you're you're building a 16,000 s foot home mhm
00:36:00
that is that's a statement you know people come to your house they see a house that
00:36:07
big you have no problem letting people know you have some money right now you're driving a 1999
00:36:15
Mustang that's the opposite of that you know that's the well this car still works so I'm going to still drive it so
00:36:24
I think you have two different personalities and we should probably get into this just touch upon it before we
00:36:29
go through this timeline here but um I think you have two different personalities just because Barry Sherman
00:36:34
is extremely wealthy and he's made a lot of you know he was born into success in
00:36:40
a sense that his uncle was successful with that company right but he's also taken that what he was born into
00:36:48
and and done very well for himself through probably a lot of hard work and determination so right right he was
00:36:56
lucky enough to get the opportunity but most people wouldn't work have worked as
00:37:01
hard as Barry did to make it even a bigger company and when you look back on Barry's life in the way that he was set
00:37:08
up and the way that he carried himself it was almost like a Can't Fail situation really to me when when you
00:37:15
when you when you have somebody that steps into that role that is given a certain leg up on everything but also is
00:37:25
extremely intell I mean guy graduated I think he he either attended or graduated
00:37:29
college at 16 so we're not talking about a dummy here this is a very very smart guy he goes on to get a doctorate from
00:37:38
MIT so this is a brilliant dude and a hardworking dude it was almost like I said when you look back on it you're
00:37:45
like well this is a a recipe for Success this is a can't can't fail situation but
00:37:51
just because he was very wealthy and successful I don't know that he that he cared what a lot of that wealth
00:38:00
could afford him right so there were several of his friends that were were quoted as saying things like Barry
00:38:07
didn't care about things he didn't care about objects he didn't care about cars um you know several people had reported
00:38:15
that Barry would would often be seen working long hours at his company wearing wrinkled shirts and you know a
00:38:24
pair of pants that looked like he had owned them for 15 20 years nothing wrong with that right so that that that gives
00:38:30
you a sense of of kind of that makes the car make more sense but there's also individuals that just get um attached to
00:38:38
vehicles too and they can't let them go well and he's also on record and I I believe this was a newspaper or magazine
00:38:47
article where he had done an interview before he was before his death where he said something to the effect of he
00:38:55
thought that they would live in their current home for the rest of their lives I mean now mind you Barry's 75 at the
00:39:02
time of his death and his wife I believe was 70 right so we're talking about an older couple but this we're also talking
00:39:07
about an extremely nice home and he had said he had thought that they would live
00:39:12
in that home for the rest of their lives however honey told him it was time to get a new house so I guess we're moving
00:39:18
was was that's not verbatim but that quote is pretty close there okay so back to the timeline let's we're talking
00:39:26
about the day that it is believed that they were last seen right we have this meeting where the two of them attend
00:39:32
this meeting at Barry's work the meeting with the architects who are who are designing their new home this meeting is
00:39:39
over sometime in the evening early afternoon um and we have honey who leaves Barry's
00:39:49
work around 5:00 p.m. again it's assumed that she went straight home MH now as far as Barry goes no one is certain
00:39:55
about what time he left the building what time he left the business to go home now there are a couple reports out
00:40:02
there that state that this could have been as early as 6:30 p.m. but most reports have stated that he stayed there
00:40:09
as late as 8:45 p.m. and I actually think that this might be more accurate than the earlier time of 6:30 the reason
00:40:19
being is I've seen it reported that he would often this would be 8:45 would be a little more consistent with the hours
00:40:25
that he ially put in and while we don't know this time for sure the police probably have a much better idea on this
00:40:34
time because of a couple things what we do know is that Barry spent most of that evening responding to
00:40:41
emails at work that day all right before leaving and it's believed that the last
00:40:47
known email sent from his Opex C account was at 8:30 p.m. that night now I couldn't find it reported as to what the
00:40:58
emails were regarding or if they were responding to but it's believed that that he sent this last email at 8:30 and
00:41:06
then just like his wife likely went straight home that night now Barry Sherman did not show up to work on
00:41:15
Thursday which for some reason didn't immediately raise any alarm Bells yeah now on Friday morning at 8:30 a.m. a
00:41:24
housekeeper and another person who walked the plants both arrived at the house at 8:30 these were both regular
00:41:32
visits each week on Friday morning this two people these two people would enter the home so both the housekeeper and the
00:41:39
plantwater they busied themselves on the main level in the second floor for approximately the next 2 hours and they
00:41:48
saw nobody correct now keep in mind both floors are roughly um according to to this report
00:41:56
both floors are roughly 3,600 Square ft and they have multiple rooms now neither
00:42:03
the housekeeper or the person watering the plants descended to the lower level now the lower level includes a garage a
00:42:11
recreation area and a swimming pool at 10:30 a.m. two real estate agents and a couple that was interested in purching
00:42:20
purchasing the house arrived the house was listed for sale by agent Judy SC Le now Barry Sherman and his wife honey
00:42:29
were selling their home uh the reports are kind of all over the place Captain but the one that seems the most accurate
00:42:35
was it was being listed for $6.9 million oh how was off yeah that's some good coin right there huh yeah I was off by a
00:42:44
little bit of sh it was listed with the Forest Hill real estate Incorporated and
00:42:50
Judy gotle the listing agent was she's reported to be a close friend to the Shermans I don't know exactly
00:42:59
what that means but that's what's reported now gotle was away in Florida so another agent was taking her place
00:43:07
that day the other agent uh present represented the perspective purchasers MH okay
00:43:16
so we have we have two agents just to clear this up we have two people that are looking at the home they're
00:43:23
interested in buying it a couple wealthy couple no okay and we their agent is going to be escorting them on this visit
00:43:32
also on this visit will be this Judy gotle it's going to be her assistant because remember Judy gotle is gone
00:43:40
right so we have two agents and we have this couple that are going to be walking
00:43:44
the property walking the house checking everything out meanwhile we have the housekeeper and the person watering the
00:43:50
plants who have been busy on two different floors but not gone to the lower level MH so after touring the
00:43:57
Upper Floor the agents and the clients went downstairs and walked along a corridor leading to the pool area got
00:44:04
Le's assistant went first she walked through the doorway to the pool room and then she comes running out of there MH
00:44:14
at the other end of the room she saw two bodies backs to the pool held in a sitting position by something tied
00:44:21
around their necks she turned and and ushered the other agent and the client back making an excuse saying this part
00:44:29
of the home is off limits at the moment now I don't mean to laugh but basically her real estate instincts kicks in and
00:44:40
she sees two bodies and still is trying to comfort this the buyers CU she's still trying to make the
00:44:48
sale well I don't I I think she's being very I think she's been thrown into a situation that no one could expect to
00:44:56
and she's handled it extremely professionally this discovery was made shortly after 11: a.m. on Friday so got
00:45:03
Le's assistant called up to the housekeeper telling her what she had seen then made a phone call seeking
00:45:11
Direction on what to do now it's not been made public who she called at this time but she did call someone meanwhile
00:45:18
the housekeeper called 911 the Toronto police 911 system records the call coming in at 11:43 a.m. police were in
00:45:29
route by 11:44 Toronto EMS told the star that's one of their local newspapers they
00:45:36
dispatched two paramedic Crews and a supervisor at that same time now let's go through some of the other findings
00:45:45
and some of the other things we know regarding this discovery the couple's grown
00:45:51
children this is you know this is adding you know what's already PR bad making it
00:45:57
even worse but uh apparently they heard about the death of their parents through
00:46:02
the media and through social media rather than the police or somebody coming to tell them what was happened so
00:46:11
well but see here's the other issue here too is we haven't really I mean I think
00:46:15
people are assuming this but you know Barry and honey were so wealthy that they were almost Celebrity Status right
00:46:24
and so that's one of the problems with them uh hearing it through the media yeah and and like
00:46:31
you said Captain these are people that are so wealthy you would it wouldn't be uncommon to see them in the news or to
00:46:36
read about them in the newspaper or or them being interviewed for a magazine article you know these were people that
00:46:43
their faces and names were very well known so I one thing I want to dive into here briefly is the time of death
00:46:53
because we have we have a couple that is last scen sometime Wednesday evening and
00:46:59
they're not found until Friday morning there are some Outlets reporting that the Shermans died on Thursday and
00:47:07
personally I believe this is mostly speculation um I don't know if this is just early reports coming out that were
00:47:15
wrong of people jumping to conclusions but uh the consensus is that the Shermans were last seen on Wednesday
00:47:22
evening like we said um and it is unclear whether they were killed soon after that but I think Wednesday is the
00:47:31
likely time that they were killed and I only say that because honey Sherman was found wearing the clothing that she had
00:47:38
been seen wearing on Wednesday right which would make this most sense my issue is not so much that the children
00:47:46
hear about the deaths through the media it's the fact that Barry doesn't show up
00:47:51
to work on Thursday honey doesn't show up anywhere and there there's nobody at their offices calling their kids or or
00:47:58
calling anybody it seems like to figure out why they're not at work I don't know
00:48:03
that their children would have been called I wouldn't I wouldn't doubt that uh either honey or Barry were that they
00:48:10
were called right um with them being so busy and let's just say powerful cuz they're powerful individuals um you I
00:48:20
guess you wouldn't challenge that a whole lot you know if you're if you're a secretary or an assistant or somebody
00:48:25
that works for Barry or even for honey for that fact I still think you would but that's that's just me to me it
00:48:34
that's kind of a gray spot here on why did we not why wasn't there people reaching out to other people or maybe
00:48:41
there were and it just got to the end of the day and none of the dots got connected but to me it seems a little
00:48:47
odd that especially Barry such a workaholic doesn't go to work he sees him there's you know there's no there's
00:48:55
no checkup on him we should add though I should just to clarify it seems to me like Barry was in his Twilight years
00:49:04
let's say okay even though he's he's reportedly staying at work long hours that's probably a habit he he hen broke
00:49:13
um but he was not the active CEO of his company at that time right he had he had
00:49:18
moved on and had somebody else taking that position it sounds to me like Barry was was more just kind of going in there
00:49:26
and checking on things and keeping an eye on things okay so maybe he came and went as he pleased yeah I don't I don't
00:49:32
know that he actually held any real responsibility or any real duty while he was there if that makes
00:49:39
sense um Family sources say that the last known cell phone communication and I don't know if this is text or audio uh
00:49:48
but the family sources say that this came from the Sherman couple was on Wednesday at some point during the day
00:49:55
as we had said earlier captain no signs of forced entry into the home and no suicide note found on the scene there
00:50:02
was also no damage reported to the inside of the home and I found one report that states that there was
00:50:09
nothing to suggest that this could be a home invasion and I want to be clear on what that means I I think the way that
00:50:17
this the way that this report reads what they are referring to is where somebody
00:50:23
breaks in either in the middle of the night to home or kicks in the door and busts their way in and takes over the
00:50:29
scene there was nothing to point to any of that the autopsies were conducted on Saturday and Sunday and this indicated
00:50:36
that the Shermans died of leature neck compression sources say investigators found the Shermans side by side in their
00:50:44
windowless pool room each with a man's leather belt wrapped around their necks and tied to the pool railing both had on
00:50:53
jackets that were pulled quote behind their backs and rolled down over their arms their winter coats were
00:51:02
on their bodies but pushed down on their backs and arms if that makes any sense it is believed that the camera in
00:51:10
the pool area had been disconnected toxicology tests on the bodies reveal no sign of drugs that would have
00:51:18
contributed to their deaths now while earlier media reports suggest that they died by hanging that is in correct they
00:51:25
were found in a seated position at the side of a pool in the lower level of the house with their legs facing away from
00:51:33
the pool the belts were around their necks with the end of the belt through the Buckle and pulled tight the free end
00:51:41
of each belt was then looped or tied around a low railing that surrounds the pool sources say a working theory of the
00:51:50
private team probing the deaths is that the Shermans were strangled by the belts
00:51:55
then the belts were attached to the railing holding them in a seated position the leature neck compression
00:52:01
was likely done by the leather belts found at the scene right now one thing that's interesting here
00:52:11
is my first thought goes to are these berries belts right because they very specifically say men's belts in these
00:52:20
reports or were these belts brought in by the killer mhm and took some digging I did find one article that states that
00:52:29
that kind of points to one Belt being berries but doesn't clarify who the other belt belonged to
00:52:37
or if they knew for sure yeah and my thought on that Captain is that maybe Barry is found not wearing a belt you
00:52:45
know around his the you know on his pants so therefore it's easy to assume that that man's belt was berries the one
00:52:54
that he was wearing the other one might be called into question because you know
00:53:00
it it might be one that was taken from the closet and whether or not this man bought a lot of clothes we don't know
00:53:08
however I'm assuming from people that I worked with and have worked for in the past this guy's got more than two belts
00:53:15
in the house probably but interesting that they believe that they were strangled and then moved
00:53:25
and then the belts were tied in such a way to almost keep them upright yeah so they
00:53:34
are they're hanging but they're not they're not hanging in a sense that one would I mean this railing is going to be
00:53:42
I've never been in the room I'm guessing it's going to be about three 3 and 1/2 foot high maybe a little taller than
00:53:49
that so they are almost like they are sitting down but slightly off the ground because the belt has connected their
00:53:56
neck to the railing holding them from being fully Seated on the floor M a key finding uh was during the discovery
00:54:08
process of the second autopsy and this were marks on both Barry and honey Sherman's wrist this indicating that
00:54:17
each person's wrists were bound together at some point likely with rope or a plastic strap an examination of the mark
00:54:25
does not clearly determine if the hands were Bound in front or behind their backs right you think maybe zip ties or
00:54:33
something yeah now their hands were not bound when the bodies were discovered police also searched the roof of the
00:54:41
house and use metal detectors on the property here's one thing I want to get at Captain because this this hands being
00:54:50
bound either in front or behind their backs is not a 100% certainty it was a finding in one of the autopsies
00:54:58
I believe it's probably likely that this went down but the whole winter coat thing is then very weird right I mean I
00:55:07
know it's Toronto it's December so it's obviously very cold um we know that the Shermans drove home
00:55:14
separately I I think that they may have parked their cars outside of the house and I say that because there are some
00:55:20
crime scene photos that show Honey's Lexus parked in the driveway and not the garage right so first off they have this
00:55:29
fancy garage that's underneath their home why are they parking outside that's super weird and well they might have
00:55:37
been stopped outside and then as for the Coats were they still wearing their coats when they were attacked were they
00:55:44
attacked outside brought into the house they're wearing their coats obviously at
00:55:49
separate times if they arrived at separate times mhm but so they're still wearing their coats when they're
00:55:55
attacked is is my thought but the way that the coat thing is described is almost like the coat is put on you to to
00:56:06
constrict your arms as well like your arms are not in the arms of the jacket it reads as if the coat is wrapped
00:56:13
around your body and arms and then zipped up or pushed down so that it would restrict movement of your arms and
00:56:21
hands right which makes me feel like maybe the jack were put on after you know by the perpetrator and
00:56:29
again they think that there's some kind of strangulation beforehand but you have
00:56:34
two individuals that they're up in the air mhm so what's making you think that they weren't being in you know being
00:56:42
strangled in that position right and so was it like oh we bound their hands now we take those off and now we're going to
00:56:49
put their jackets on after the death and we should be clear about that because I
00:56:54
don't know if it was clear the way that I described it but it would be that if this is in fact true that their hands
00:57:00
were tied or bound that these bindings were removed from the scene they were not found on on the bodies on the
00:57:08
Shermans when they were discovered right so meaning meaning Barry Sherman could not have
00:57:14
killed his wife then killed himself and then disposed of these bindings all at the same time it it just doesn't work
00:57:21
out um also if and well the jacket part doesn't work out because you'd have to put the jacket
00:57:30
back on himself right well in addition the jacket part doesn't work out right cuz what's he going to do hang himself
00:57:36
and then pull his jacket down past his arms somehow well I want to be clear the reason why a lot there was a lot of
00:57:42
speculation about that at first was there was some bruising uh on Honey's face and so a lot of people were like
00:57:49
well there was no bruising on Barry's face so therefore murder suicide but like you said you got get these bindings
00:57:57
you got this the jackets um I think they were probably just met outside before they even got into the garage you know
00:58:05
and Barry probably stopped because he saw you know Honey's car there so you if you base it off of the timeline you say
00:58:14
where Barry's not leaving till 8:30 8:45 well you know that means that these attackers had honey for a lot longer a
00:58:24
couple couple hours before Barry would get home if if that scenario in fact is true it would have to go down something
00:58:31
like this Barry arrives home I'm sorry honey arrives home before Barry something prevents her from go parking
00:58:37
the car in the garage or she's intending on just running into the house and leaving very quickly but something
00:58:45
happens to where she is attacked this would also explain the no signs of forced entry if she was
00:58:52
attacked outside and nobody witnessed this they could use her keys to gain entry to the home then they pull her
00:58:59
into the home they take control of the scene and I say they because it could be one person could be two could be three
00:59:06
they take control of the scene they have control of Honey now I don't know if she
00:59:10
killed it that time or not while they wait for Barry to arrive Barry would pull in seeing his wife's car in the
00:59:17
driveway wonder what's up maybe he decides to park in the driveway as well to see what's going on right he goes to
00:59:24
the front door he goes inside and when he gets inside he's greeted by these people that have been lying in wait for
00:59:31
him or they have his wife hostage and now they have a bargaining chip and he's got
00:59:37
to do what they say right now as as we know Captain um while we're on the details of what was found what is known
00:59:45
and what is not known as we know it is typical in a death investigation for police to serve production orders or
00:59:53
search orders signed by a judge or Justice of the Peace um for cell phones and to cell phone companies or to Banks
01:00:03
to obtain records showing a person's whereabouts and so forth now if permission is given by the executor of
01:00:10
this in which I've heard that the banks have come forward and the cell phone companies have come forward in this case
01:00:16
and said you do not need to submit um search warrants we've worked we're working with the family any information
01:00:24
that the police need we will provide to you so don't delay yourself with with seeking search warrants or serve uh
01:00:32
production orders right what is weird here though is I couldn't find anywhere that indicated whether the couple's cell
01:00:41
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