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remains missing no matter what the situation no matter what the problem that day no matter what it was she was
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still our beautiful college graduate daughter who is spirited and fun and we love her so much we need her back
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Suzanne lder says she talked to her daughter the day she disappeared and klin seemed fine but police tell a
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different story they say she acted very unusual leading up to her disappearance she called 911 three times reporting a
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fight and a burglary that officers say didn't happen and two surveillance videos show louder having animated
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conversations with herself police found no evidence of Foul [Music] Play January 21st 1984 twins are born in
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American Fork Utah the twins names kin and Colton louder the proud parents are Jesse and Suzanne louder little kin was
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a funny kid she loved her siblings and enjoyed teasing them she loved her friends and she was a friend to all kayn
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enjoyed reading sharing books and riding horses and here's something that I absolutely love captain was so
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competitive very competitive in fact she was so fiercely competitive playing Scrabble that no one liked to play
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Scrabble with her kin attended and graduated from Lehi high school she enrolled at Utah State University and
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graduated in 2006 earning a bachelor's degree in social work she lived her life devoted to helping others so it makes so
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much sense that she wanted to become a social worker and at age 20 she's going to have a major event happen in her life
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yeah and this involves klin's twin brother Colton who is 25 as well obviously this takes place on February
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27th 2009 in American Fork Utah Colton is at his uncle's house this is Colton's mother's brother 45-year-old Jeffrey
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auran this is a Friday and Jeffrey auran is in his driveway loading some four-wheelers this is because he's
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planning to go for a ride for the weekend now around 12:45 in the afternoon Witnesses say they heard two
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men arguing well the shouting turned into a gunshot one homeowner looked out his window and saw Jeffrey acur chasing
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a man through his yard and then across the street and into a field the man being chased turned around and shot
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acrian three to four times in the stomach and chest police were called This is just your average American
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neighborhood you know basketball hoops and white picket fences and we have a man down shot multiple times police on
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the way with scared neighbors and a gunman on the Loose as this whole thing is unfolding
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the police assessing what happened tending to the victim trying to get him medical attention and searching for the
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shooter three schools in the area were put under lockdown for a couple of hours and police asked all three schools not
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to trans Port students with buses students who usually walked called their parents then around 2: p.m. someone at a
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nearby medical clinic saw the suspect standing near a car the witness alerted the police the man was cornered by
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police and the suspect raised his hands in the air and shouted I didn't do it the man did not try to run from what the
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police say and the police found a gun a 45 automatic on the hood of of a car parked at the clinic they arrested the
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suspect the shooter turned out to be Colton louder Jeffrey Akerman was pronounced dead at the hospital police
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shut down the area for hours to gather evidence and interview Witnesses then they charged Colton with
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murder there was some confusion in this case it was it wasn't such a cut and dried case on the surface it seems
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pretty easy you have the victim he is now dead and then you have the suspected shooter mhm with a gun in custody and
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you're charging him with murder while you arrest him yeah so you have the victim you find the shooter this all
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happens within just a couple of hours but truly no one really knew what went down except for the shooter and the
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victim and here we have a scenario where eyewitness reports are that the shooter
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was at one time being chased by The Gunshot victim there were stories out there at the time that Colton was a
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known drug user and was in the area breaking into and stealing stuff from garages or that he was caught by his
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uncle stealing stuff out of his garage another theory presented was Colton was over at his uncles because Uncle Jeffrey
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was trying to help Colton get off of drugs and somehow an argument between the two broke out so picture this for a
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bit shall we mhm we have a family where one family member is the victim and the other is the likely killer so you are
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both grieving and shocked and each on two different levels one of the officers involved said he was on the scene and a
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vehicle pulled up to him and behind the wheel driving is a lady that he recognized and she tells the officer I
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hear the victim was my brother what's going on and to which he has to tell her yes ma'am I know know
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and we have apprehended the suspect and it's your son yeah well through some very good and I want to really applaud
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the legal teams here both sides the prosecution and the defense for really doing their due diligence here because
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the truth about what went down that day was really none of what we just mentioned through Toxicology test they
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were able to determine that both Colton the shooter and the deceased victim were
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high on drugs right this during the time of the shooting right so we have a situation
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where we thought that his uncle was trying to help him get clean but in reality they were doing drugs together
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yes and in fact the deceased Jeffrey acrian was on a buffet of drugs according to the Toxicology test Well
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normally when I like to do drugs I like to do a buffet as well so both did a considerable amount of methamphetamines
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just before the shooting so what we have here is people on the inner Circles of each of these men that tell
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investigators that when Colton louder does drugs he gets very paranoid right and then others say when Jeffrey auran
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does drugs he gets very angry so now you don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to deduce how this cookie crumbled because
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both are lit up like Christmas trees and then an argument slight breaks out and the parent oid guy shoots the very angry
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scary guy well and I'm glad you're not Sherlock Holmes cuz that' make me Watson well and because of these circumstances
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and some other circumstances the prosecution and defense are going to work out a deal and on November 17th
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2009 kalin's twin brother pleads guilty to manslaughter charges and is sentenced
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to 5 years in prison for the killing of their Uncle Jeffrey arriman yeah technically he gets five years to life
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in prison yeah well and you know what Captain I want to point out how smart and caring this family is the louder
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family I thought you were going to say me before we move on okay so this is a terrible horrible tragedy but the louder
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family was strong enough that they could both mourn the loss of one of their own
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and still support and care for one of their own you know they didn't take sides during this they simply had to say
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look this is something that we all hate but it happened and it so obviously would not have happened without drugs
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ruining both of these men's lives and now we have to support a family member as much as we can who is now behind
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Prison Walls yeah and cuz look the family members don't want their family members to be drug addicts MH and you
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know when you're going down to the Golden Corral and you're filling up on on drugs and then you
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go then this happens right and then you go you're you're technically losing both
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family members one is now deceased but one you're losing to the prison system yeah and and our story today our case
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today is not so much about Colton louder it's much more about his twin sister kayn louder so let's fast forward to
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2014 because at some point later in the year this would have been late August or
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early September of 2014 right kin lost her job she was working at a private boys school this seems to be as a result
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of maybe a schedule conflict because it appears that she was working two jobs kayin was working for rover.com which is
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a house-sitting dog sitting dog walking um you know online business right and my
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guess here is that there may have been a scheduling conflict meaning they might have been able to prove that we might
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have a situation where she called off work one day at the boy school and they found out she was actually dog sitting
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or working for somebody else MH so other than that I don't really know the full particulars of of her losing her job but
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in late September this is when things get strange so kayn calls 911 twice on September 26th and we'll go through
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these in detail in just a minute right the next day Saturday September 27th 20 14 Kaylin calls 911 again she is last
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seen on surveillance video leaving her condo and this footage is from Saturday September 27th and around 7 p.m. after
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the 3rd 911 call correct kayin louder is reported missing on Wednesday October 1st
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2014 now this is according to the Daily Mail police were first alerted to miss louder's disappearance on Wednesday
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after her roommate realized she had not seen or heard from her for a while according to an interview with Ken's
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mother sister and cousin on that Monday right so kin is last seen on Saturday on that Monday just two days
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after kayn's mother tells kin's father how weird it is that she has not heard from kin all right so on the Friday we
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got two 911 calls Saturday One Call and then she's seen on camera leaving her condo nobody hears from her this is now
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the Monday yes and so I guess they checked in Fairly regular almost daily so after her mother tells her
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father hey have not heard from her he tries to get a hold of her but without any luck then kayn's roommate calls
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suzan kin's mother on that Tuesday and ask her have you seen kin I haven't seen seen her for a couple of days that is
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when the family begins to panic the next morning her father goes to her condo and
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he does not find kin but he finds her phone purse and dog which is interesting I mean who cares really much about the
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purse I mean that probably has her ID in it and that's interesting but her dog you're going to want to take care of
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your dog yeah and one thing I want to point out real quick too is regarding kin's
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car keys mhm so most of the Articles out there regarding this case state that she
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left behind her phone Keys purse and the dog and I want to try to this isn't really going to clear anything up but
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going to directly to the source let's say I did find an interview with the parents where they state that her car
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keys were gone so I know that kind of just makes things confusing I'm going to go with with what they say because they
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have more a more vested interest in finding her than anyone else so let's go with if they say the car keys were gone
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they were gone well the car keys probably has her condo keys on it and this is a pretty nice condo unit right
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mhm well so the other thing too Captain is kin's immediate family they were very
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involved in the search for their daughter and their sister the missing Flyers distributed uh they they
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distributed them they they put things online asking anyone for help and seeking information uh the the Flyers list kaln
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louder as missing from Murray Utah since September 27th 2014 aged 30 at the time 5' 8 in tall
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right and weighing about 130 lbs with brown hair and brown eyes her condo was at the Willows
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Condominiums and she was in condo F at 5500 Willow Lane now let's Circle back real quick and go through some of this
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stuff in detail starting with the 911 calls the first call is to report a fight this is on Friday night right the
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first call kayn makes this call from her cell phone around 900 p.m. and she's reporting that there's a large fight at
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her condo's Clubhouse there was an event there that night so this is not completely out of left field there was a
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wedding reception there that night in kin's call she states that she heard gunshots or that she believes there were
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guns involved now I State this because we don't have that actual call to listen to I couldn't find that call to actually
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listen to I can only reference what was reported later now the problem here is police do
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respond they arrive resp responding to this call and when they arrived they did find that the party was actually a
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wedding reception and the police say there appeared to be no evidence of any type of violence or guns at this
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party then the second 911 call that came that same night again this is the day before she was last seen right this time
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she calls an hour after the first call so 10:30 yeah so she hangs up before 911 actually picks up the call the
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dispatcher decides to call her back now according to reports they state that on the tape she sounds confused and has
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trouble remembering her address she is mumbling and difficult to understand at one point she tells the dispatcher her
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roommate thinks she is confused quot my friend told me I'm delusional and paranoid she tells the dispatcher she
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also told the operator that this is a little strange because we don't have the full conversation to reference what she
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might mean by some of this stuff but she also told the operator that she lived in
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a don't tell don't metal type of community and she didn't want to endanger her friends so that's the
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events that we know of of that Friday and those are the 2 911 calls and now we're to Saturday and we have the third
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911 call but we actually have a copy of that yeah the Audio I got to warn everyone the audio is a little bit
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tricky here for a couple reasons one at the beginning it's a lot of back and forth between the dispatcher and kin
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he's trying to figure out her location so they've naturally bleeped those things out that information out before
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they released this as well as I don't believe that the reception was super great at her condo 911 what's the
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address of your emergency I 84107 I been trat house repeat the address for verification they're stealing from my
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house okay say your address one more time I'm having a hard time hearing you Marie and the phone number you're
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calling from 801 get the out of my house and repeat the phone number for verification okay do you know who this
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person is no I don't I just know that there's an inor in my house you don't know who
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they are no I don't I'm and I'm look where from where I'm act I'm worried about my
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safety hey hry are you at the location now yes I am were weapons involved they mentioned they're not talking or
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responding I'm just telling them to leave so I can hear them taking things so you haven't seen them you can just
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hear them yes correct are you or anyone else in immediate danger I believe so okay are you able to
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get yourself to safety um I just want to answer that while he's here I'm sorry what
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no can you talk freely with me yeah okay where exactly are you I'm in the back bedroom
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okay where the suspect enter the building um there's only one door on the west side
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okay where are the possible exits from the building there's only one get out of my house is there anyone
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else in the building Who belongs there yes there's six Apartments I'm sorry what six there's six
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people six Apartments okay is there anybody else in your apartment that should be
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there I believe she's here I have a roommate where is she at next door to me okay I'm just going to stay on the
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line with you until Us's get there okay just let me know if anything changes what is your last name
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louder and your first name kayen it's what Ken can you still hear them yes where does it sound like they're at
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the front room near the entrance it's a fall Place shut up are they saying anything yeah I heard someone say hey go
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in there so there's obviously two of them hey car lock the door there's something going on
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there come here might okay what's going on now hello think they left they've left
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now yeah so I'm just going to look and see if anything's been taken some some opened the door and I
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heard them come in so I know you know where they went at all no don't don't do that care but if
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the door still lost it's impossible they must have a heat or something because when I I took the dog out I heard people
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talking um and there was people last night like sitting outside the window and so they like were scoping us
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out or something nobody knows about about like the the [Applause] fakey nobody knows about
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it well I took it out like I had it on my person I swear to God someone opened the
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door and there's actually like people like no no Rachel like people see me get out there all the time just
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if they if they and then left why is the door still locked well I can't explain that but I heard like two
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people talking are is the office slow what was that is the officer close I'm not sure where they're coming from
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they're on the way I don't know where they're coming from though what do you [Applause]
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want do what in the bathroom we have a clock in the bathroom so it's sck yeah I know
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from kin's cell phone and the call came in at 88:18 a.m. mhm during this call she is locked in her bedroom so the
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people that she thinks that she thinks that are in her condo they would be in the other room in the front room as
00:30:06
she's explaining to the the dispatcher right but I I would argue that she has her door open her bedroom door open I I
00:30:16
think what we have here so this this call is quite confusing for many reasons okay first of all we have kayn on the
00:30:25
phone she's talking to the 911 dispatcher and then at some point she is yelling at the people that she thinks
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are in her condo the Intruder or Intruders right but then she also starts having a conversation with her roommate
00:30:43
who was home during this whole event right but she was in her room right so I think what we have here is I don't know
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the layout of this condo other than the way that it's described or or hearing the way they talk about it in this call
00:30:58
but it sounds to me like you you would have at least a a main room a front room that that goes right to the entrance
00:31:05
okay and then kayn's in her bedroom her roommate is in I'm guessing in her bedroom right in a in a separate bedroom
00:31:14
that is next door to kin's and you hear them discussing a bathroom at some point
00:31:19
or a restroom at some point and so there there's a third room which is that the uh the restroom so I'm guessing
00:31:27
we don't have any visuals here so I'm just guessing that at the beginning of the call kayn might be locked in her
00:31:34
room thinking that the intruders are in the front room she's called 911 and then at some point when her
00:31:42
roommate realizes what's going on they're either talking through the door or kayn's door is opened at some point
00:31:50
and they're they're talking face to face yeah and multiple times during the call
00:31:53
you can hear somebody other and kin it's not clear if that's the roommate be behind her bedroom door laughing or
00:32:04
making a noise or saying something or is it coming from the front room mhm again
00:32:10
we don't have any visuals but it sounds as if her roommate comes out of her room
00:32:16
mhm and then they start having a conversation well if those noises weren't her then obviously those are
00:32:24
noises coming from somebody from the front room mhm well and the to add to the confusion here it sounds to me as if
00:32:33
when she's talking to the roommate or yelling at the believed Intruders at times she might even be
00:32:39
pulling her phone away from from her as she's doing so right and our case is kin
00:32:47
louder well her roommate's name is Carol so sometimes when they're interacting with each other it's hard to decipher if
00:32:55
someone's saying kin or Carol yeah we tried to clean up this audio as much as we could but the 911 dispatcher he's
00:33:03
clear but on their end they're a little muffled yeah and he's having trouble understanding what's going either what's
00:33:10
going on with the situation or the reception itself or both at one point when the roommate's coming out of a room
00:33:17
you also hear a little bit more commotion so is it just the commotion from the roommate coming out of her room
00:33:24
or is there commotion from the front room and the roommate because right after that commotion she says I think
00:33:32
they left yeah my first impression of this call and kayn that we hear there is she sounds afraid to me that's very
00:33:42
clear and very obvious so whatever is either going on or whatever she thinks is going on she's
00:33:50
afraid and so I think we we should point that part out now there there are some different interesting things within this
00:33:59
call one being you know she is communicating with who she believes has broken into her home saying telling the
00:34:07
operator they're stealing [ __ ] from my house yelling at the Intruder get the F
00:34:11
out of my house and then at some point you hear the roommate come in and say look there's
00:34:19
there's not an intruder mhm kin tells the roommate don't do that Carol I don't know what that means I I don't know if
00:34:27
she's opening attempting to open up a door at that point right right um but then Carol points out to kayin the bolts
00:34:36
are locked it's impossible meaning it's impossible that there was an intruder nobody's come in to which kin responds
00:34:43
they must have a key or something yeah which is strange but at the same time it's like I don't know the distance from
00:34:49
that room where there's where they're at or did they move to the front room to see clearly because sometimes you can go
00:34:57
into a room and at a glance you think that that the dead bolt is locked mhm and then once you get closer you go no
00:35:03
that's not locked so is is it a is it a mistake on the roommate's part and then by having her having a mistake that
00:35:11
people start going well we don't know if kayin was of her right mind yeah yeah and our friend John Lorden from uh brain
00:35:19
scratch yeah has cool pins that's right he uh you know when he listens to these calls and I'm going from his show
00:35:27
information he gives his opinion and he points out some interesting things he says look if if kayn is in her room and
00:35:34
her roommate is home MH he says I don't know why she doesn't assume that the noises she's hearing are either coming
00:35:41
from the roommate maybe the roommate's watching TV or an action film or listening to the radio anything you know
00:35:48
other than first jumping to the thought that there's an intruder right but that's where to
00:35:55
me if you lived in any of these small apartments if you're in your room and your door is locked you'd have a hard
00:36:04
time distinguishing what's coming from the main room or somebody else's bedroom MH but if your bedroom doors open then
00:36:11
you're going okay I can clearly hear what's coming from her bedroom and whatever sounds I'm hearing in the front
00:36:17
room are not the sounds that I'm hearing coming from my my roommates room yeah and I don't know the the layout of their
00:36:26
cont with inside their condo but I do know the layout of the condo complex and I can say this they are sharing walls
00:36:34
with neighbors so you know anybody that's lived in an apartment or a dorm or a condo you know that you it's not
00:36:42
tough to to hear your neighbors from time to time yeah there's that Mitch Hedberg bit where he says he'd blast his
00:36:48
music in his neighborhood always come knocking on his wall to tell him to turn down mhm and he'd always go up to the
00:36:55
wall and go go around there's no door on my side well the other thing too is when she's yelling at The Intruders
00:37:07
one thing that I found interesting and and I know we all behave differently in a in a a panic situation MH but at no
00:37:15
time does she say like hey I'm on the phone with the police or you better get out of here I'm calling the cops you
00:37:20
know well she does say get out of my house that's true that's true but yeah but you're right she should be going if
00:37:28
if you would threaten hey I'm going to call the cops I'm on the phone with the cops MH uh but she said she's not trying
00:37:35
to be quiet about being on the phone with 911 either it's not like she's Whispering huddled in her closet or in a
00:37:40
corner somewhere I think she has her bedroom door open and I think she's looking down the hallway or whatever and
00:37:48
I and I think what's strange to me is the shut up mhm the shut up it's like are they
00:37:57
laughing you know well there's a laugh in there yeah let's play that play the laugh real quick can you still hear
00:38:04
them yes if you listen closely in between they're talking you'll kind of hear a ha mhm let's play it one more time can
00:38:12
you still hear them yes so that's clearly something a laughter but it could be from a
00:38:20
television it could be coming from her roommate's room or it could be coming from the front
00:38:27
room the the way I take this my you know just trying to make logic of it I wonder
00:38:33
if that's the roommate laughing like oh here we go again you know she's calling the police and there's clearly nobody
00:38:42
here like not laughing at kin but laughing at the situation because it's you know
00:38:48
it's you know no I understand that but when we first started diving into this case and you start seeing stuff on
00:38:57
Reddit that maybe something was going on with kayn mentally I don't hear it in her voice no
00:39:05
and I don't hear somebody that's not coherent there's not one time that she's asked a
00:39:11
question that she doesn't answer right she's she's pretty clear with her answers now the operator seems to have
00:39:19
some trouble either understanding her or maybe this is some kind of smart way of
00:39:25
clarify right you know because he knows that he's sending officers into a situation
00:39:33
into which the Call Comes in there's Intruders in her home she reports that they probably have weapons they have
00:39:41
guns and that she feels that she her life or she's in some type of physical danger right but again he's going okay
00:39:50
where's the entrance mhm you know or how many entrances are there are there exit
00:39:55
you know are are there exit points yeah and then he talks about well are there other people there well yeah the
00:40:03
roommate but at some point she goes there's six Apartments meaning there's six units and again this is not her
00:40:12
making a statement that's out of nowhere so I I don't see well in in regards to the entrance
00:40:19
or other exits she this is very specific she says there's only one and it's on the west side
00:40:26
right and and now and we got to go based off evidence so it's just so strange to
00:40:31
me that we don't have the first two 911 calls right just reports of what were discussed during those is it very
00:40:41
possible that there's some people messing with her she's going outside you know some teenagers maybe or
00:40:52
young 20 some year olds that are messing with her and they decided to open up the
00:40:56
door and and sit down on their her couch and maybe the TV's on yeah you know is somebody is somebody messing
00:41:04
with her because also when she starts talking to the roommate it's it's muffled so we can't
00:41:10
actually hear what the roommate's saying but at the same time she's going well it's impossible and and then the
00:41:17
roommate says well what about the other key like you know like a key that was hidden outside or something there's that
00:41:24
point so if the roommate which nobody's saying is having some mental break is trying to come up with some logical
00:41:33
reasons then maybe you know kayin is actually calling for a purpose well we should point out that the police did
00:41:42
arrive later at the condo and their report was that they found no evidence of a Breakin well let me play the clip
00:41:49
again of where the roommate sounds like she's coming out of the room and you can
00:41:54
hear kayn say I think they just just left or maybe they just left mhm hey car lock the
00:42:03
door there's something going on there come here might okay what's going on now hello okay
00:42:27
I think they left they've left now yeah so I'm just going to look and see if anything's been taken all right
00:42:37
so to explain that the best way I can there is some kind of noise doors opening or closing it definitely sounds
00:42:45
like the roommate but I can't be for sure that it's just the roommate and not the main door to their place right and
00:42:54
so she yells at some point I think the door opening startled her maybe it's the roommate again maybe it's a combination
00:43:02
of both but right after she says lock your door or something like that and then at some point as she's still
00:43:11
talking to her roommate she says come here to the roommate mhm and then the roommate goes there so again if this
00:43:19
person is acting out of their mind quote unquote then why would you be going into
00:43:25
the room why would you be listening to her and then she's going I think they left I
00:43:32
heard a noise I think they're gone now I see my roommate mhm and then the cop says hey what's going on and she goes I
00:43:41
think they left well what are you doing now I'm going to go check to see if they
00:43:46
took anything now I don't know about you but if I called the cops and that's that's
00:43:54
how this conversation would go down right well and and then I hear her say they might as
00:44:02
well so I think to that she might be being asked by the roommate if the if the cops do we still need the cops or
00:44:10
are they still on their way and I think she's responding well they might as well
00:44:14
you know they're are cuz she knows according to what she's been told by the dispatcher that they're already in route
00:44:20
right and then the the call drops off after someone rings the doorbell right which we could assume is the cops could
00:44:28
be the cops and so then the the call ends there like hey guys the cops are here I do want to point this out I don't
00:44:35
think from what I hear that there was an intruder and I also think that possibly but that doesn't mean that
00:44:44
somebody's going out of their mind because no because if you have noises coming from the
00:44:50
roommate you have maybe some noises coming outside right from outside plus you have
00:44:58
your apartment's connected to another apartment so you have noises coming from there is it possible that she went to go
00:45:06
out of a room something kind of startled her and then when she stopped to listen
00:45:13
for a while there was noises that she couldn't explain mhm and then she called the cops hey I think somebody's in my
00:45:21
house right and then the cops come and they say there's nobody in the house how many how many times do you think they
00:45:29
get calls every month of you know I could hear a crash in my garage this happened to me one night
00:45:37
hear a crash in my garage it's like 11:30 at night and I and there was kids going around the neighborhood or maybe
00:45:44
there weren't kids at night when there was garage doors open they were going in and just
00:45:50
grabbing whatever and taking off mhm and so I hear this crash in my garage and it's 11 :30 at night and I pause and
00:45:58
think should I call the cops so my first thought well just let me open up the door right so I open up
00:46:06
the door turn on the light well guess what the garage door was closed and something just fell over but it would
00:46:13
have been unreasonable if I would have called the cops right and then they show up and
00:46:18
they and they and they determine that nobody broke into my house oh well well like I was saying I I don't think from
00:46:26
what I can hear there I would I wouldn't say that there were Intruders into the condo however
00:46:35
this thing and and the these are other people's words that I've found online people commenting and posting comments
00:46:42
regarding this situation where people say well she's clearly crazy she's clearly delusional out of her mind right
00:46:49
I want to remind everybody that post something like that this young woman is only out of her mind if there's no one
00:46:57
there we don't we can't say for certain that that there was no one there from what I hear it doesn't sound like there
00:47:02
was anyone there but what I don't like about this situation is at no point at no time could I find the roommate who
00:47:12
was clearly there commenting regarding this situation clearing up what what may or may not have been going on right we
00:47:21
the family is very upfront very up you know forward with leading the search and looking for their daughter and their
00:47:28
sister and they are in the Press they are commenting they are doing interviews and I understand that doesn't work for
00:47:33
everybody but somebody the one person that that is still available that could clear up what could have been going on
00:47:40
on Friday night as well as what could have been going on Saturday morning I couldn't find any at any point
00:47:47
that they ever gave a statement yeah but no everything you said there was great but you have a family saying we
00:47:58
talked to her she didn't seem like she was off her rocker right right that her mother her mother spoke
00:48:06
to her so so I'll take you through that scenario real quick yeah okay so her mother kayn's mother Suzanne louder says
00:48:15
that she spoke to kyn on this same day that kyn sounded normal to her and from what I found kin checked in often almost
00:48:24
daily with her family and think that was most of the time with her mother so if anyone is going to be aware that
00:48:30
something was wrong just by going by kin's Tone or kin's voice I'm very confident her mother would be able to
00:48:37
decipher that just from a phone conversation but to be clear I don't have the time of that
00:48:44
phone call from her mother to kayn but her mother does state that it was the morning of The Disappearance which that
00:48:53
911 call was the morning as well right but do we have a comment from the mother saying hey I've listened to this 911
00:49:00
call and this that's my daughter and and it doesn't sound odd to me because it doesn't S sound odd to me mhm you know
00:49:10
again there might not be somebody in the apartment but is that just a mistake that she made I believe the the family
00:49:17
statement regarding this 911 call and the surveillance footage which we will get to is that
00:49:26
that maybe some of it seems strange but not all of it seems strange and I think I think what comes up most of the time
00:49:33
in in the media was the surveillance footage so they may simply be responding to that the problem is their daughter is
00:49:42
missing and when she is missing there's so many people in the public and saying they're not responding well to it the
00:49:50
citizens the the public is not responding well to this missing woman because the The public's perception by
00:49:57
some were oh this person this person lost it she's delusional delusional and she either ran away or harmed herself so
00:50:06
therefore the the the alert level is not of great concern as far as the public goes and when you're her family who need
00:50:16
to find their daughter all you have is the Public's help you're you're crying out to the public help us find our
00:50:23
daughter and one thing that I love that they they stood by and and and kept reiterating you hear in that clip that
00:50:30
we played for the trailer the news clip where the mother almost goes out of the way to say our college graduate daughter
00:50:37
right and I think the and then she goes on to describe her personality a little bit I think that that was very smart on
00:50:45
the Family's behalf because I think at that time what's going on is there saying you know what we desperately need
00:50:51
the help of the public to help find our daughter well they probably read a lot of books you know and we need them to
00:50:59
see her as a as a person as as a real life living breathing human being with feelings that's just as normal as
00:51:07
everybody else out there and I think that's their way of pushing past hey it doesn't matter whatever you think is
00:51:16
going on in these on these 911 calls and on the surveillance footage this person's still missing finding her is
00:51:24
the goal not so much figuring out what's going on right so listening to this tape I mean you're
00:51:32
got feeling is there's not somebody there that's fine I I could I could agree with that on some level I don't
00:51:39
think there's any solid proof that we hear somebody else I mean there's the times that we
00:51:44
even hear laughter it's again you could just say it was the roommate that would make logical sense but what your gut
00:51:51
feeling on her mind State at this point um that's difficult that's very difficult because like I said it's only
00:52:01
this is only delusional if there was in fact no one there and I I don't think that there was someone there but but
00:52:09
regarding her words and her answers to the dispatcher and how she responds to questions MH she doesn't sound
00:52:17
delusional to me yeah it's also difficult too because obviously we didn't personally know her so we don't
00:52:25
know anything of her uh we don't have like speeches of hers to go over to to determine how she was normally so but
00:52:38
again I'm going to go with the family if they're saying we talk to her and we listen to this tape and we don't think
00:52:45
that she sounds like she lost it I'm going to go with there thought now on to the surveillance camera footage this is
00:52:53
from the parking lot of her condominium complex this shows her leaving her condo
00:52:59
and this footage is from Saturday September 27th I have a report that states one video is from 3:30 p.m. and
00:53:07
one video is from 5:45 p.m. most reports stating that kin is last seen on surveillance video around 7 p.m. so I
00:53:17
just want to go into it like that because that's the information that is out there there are six videos that were
00:53:23
made public and we found all six of them on KSL news on their website and we'll put a link on our website truecar.com so
00:53:33
you can follow that as we talk about it so on video one the the first video I want to point out that the rain is not
00:53:41
as heavy in this video clearly not heavy rain a lot of the news articles state that there was Heavy Rain that day
00:53:52
thunderstorms torrential downpours that's not what what's going on in this first clip uh the first video I see
00:53:59
little to actually no rain at all possibly kin is seen in jean shorts and a tank top with no shoes on I do want to
00:54:08
point out the red car that is on the left side of the screen just make a a mental note of that car as we're going
00:54:15
through these different videos now onto video two this one is the one of kin running this is kind of the the quote
00:54:24
unquote famous one will say a lot of online commenters commenters say that she appears to be running from something
00:54:32
in this video however I see more of a jog rather than a dead Sprint I actually think she appears to possibly be running
00:54:40
toward something rather than away from something um I believe that that she is also kind of watching her step she
00:54:51
appears to be watching her step as she runs so more concerned about the Poss possibility of stepping on something
00:54:57
sharp rather than whatever people posters commenters say could be chasing her and then two she appears to be
00:55:04
checking for oncoming for oncoming traffic as she's running out into the parking lot so again not someone that is
00:55:13
terrified of whatever she is running from I believe you know here we have these actions that she's not actually
00:55:21
running from anything regardless if we can see it or not I don't believe she's running from
00:55:28
something there appears to be something in her left hand as she's running it took me a few times of watching it to to
00:55:35
see something and maybe I'm just seeing something that's not there but it appears to me that there's something in
00:55:41
her hand now this could be possibly a white cell phone it could be keys I don't know what it is but that kind of
00:55:50
goes back to my point of I feel like she's running to something you know like like you don't put on your shoes every
00:55:57
time if you're just going to run outside real quick and hand something off to the
00:56:01
driver of a car or if you're running next door to deliver something to you know a neighbor at some point yeah or
00:56:09
maybe it has something to do with her dog but we have this maroon car that's in the first video not in the second
00:56:16
video and all of a sudden it shows up again magically in the third video mhm well and video three this is the one
00:56:23
where kayn is talking um some say that she is talking to herself and I believe police even
00:56:31
stated that in their comments regarding this footage M the look sorry but she's clearly talking to her
00:56:41
dog Phyllis Phyllis is a small black pug yeah and her dog is outside with her everyone that I know talks to their pets
00:56:52
and she's oh the white it's a white bag to pick up the poop well at this point it's clearly a white bag but the reason
00:57:00
why I suggested possibly other items for video 2 is only because we have a list of items that were said were left behind
00:57:09
and I can't clearly decipher that that's a bag in video 2 where you can in video
00:57:14
3 and so what I think we have here is some people they like to spin a nice yarn right and it's a better story if
00:57:22
she's out in the parking lot talking to to herself but I'm sorry people that's not what's going on she's talking to her
00:57:29
dog very likely trying to encourage her dog to go to the restroom because it's it's sprinkling outside there's a light
00:57:37
rain at this time yeah what's the command that's normally make right make well make make possibly yeah but I do want to
00:57:47
point out as you pointed out Captain everybody note that the red car is back again on the left side of the screen
00:57:54
right and then in the fourth video it's gone again mhm uh but there is a white bag there's a like grocery bag that's on
00:58:03
the right hand side that is now there so that bag is lying on the the pavement right but that's not the one she's
00:58:10
holding you can still see her holding a bag yeah and I actually think if if you go back and look at video one two or
00:58:19
maybe it would be there two and three I think it might already be there yeah man
00:58:24
these they don't listen to our show don't Litter people so video 4 this video most point out that kin is
00:58:32
looking around quite a bit and some people of course their imagination starts to wander and they go well she
00:58:40
she's probably looking around for something that that either she thinks is there or that somebody's chasing her but
00:58:46
again using logic here I think what we have is a situation where she's now back outside with the dog and she's she's
00:58:54
probably put the dog down in the grassy area that's that's just behind her she's
00:59:01
on the pavement I think she's put the dog down and with her looking around it could be she's either looking for other
00:59:08
animals if any neighbors are walking around or looking around to make sure that her dog went to the restroom so
00:59:14
they can go back in MH at this point it does appear to me that um it's raining or I'm sorry does not appear to
00:59:25
me to be raining in this video so a break in the rain this would be a good opportunity to take the dog outside and
00:59:32
it as you pointed out Captain she is holding a small white plastic bag in her right hand at that time so again I think
00:59:40
that any of her actions and movements in this video are in regards to her dog Phyllis yeah and what a what a great
00:59:48
name for a pug right mhm no I agree with you I think she is talking to the dog and I I think the dog was out there in
00:59:56
the first video that we we just didn't see and she possibly ran not away from anything cuz it looks like she had to
01:00:04
like run to go get something and almost like oh crap I forgot a bag right or I forgot whatever right and so she runs
01:00:12
back comes back the dog's there all right make make do your business and we see that maroon car but
01:00:22
then the last footage we don't uh the last video she's not in the video but we do see a red car that goes
01:00:29
through okay well so but video five ah we need to get to first so this video number five is quite different and there
01:00:38
is some confusion on regarding what is in this video but what I believe it's showing is kayn's roommate not kin I
01:00:49
believe we see kin's roommate she walks out of that same area that kin had walked out of now note the blue car to
01:00:57
the right of the roommate as she is walking out to the parking lot and then over to the garages so what you can't
01:01:05
see from from this video is the layout of the condos so you have the condos then you have that giant boulder Rock
01:01:14
looking thing my my understanding is that it was it's basically amound of dirt that they poured concrete over
01:01:22
right okay so kin is brought her dog out to to that area to to make the make the
01:01:30
business and then you have the parking lot area where you see the parked cars in some of the videos you see a red car
01:01:36
to the left and then what the camera is attached to is the rooftop of a series of garages and there's a whole bunch of
01:01:47
them and there's single car garages from my understanding so you're getting it from the Viewpoint of above that garage
01:01:55
so with the roommate in video 5 walking out she's walked out of the condo and now she's walked past a blue car that's
01:02:02
to her right and she's looking she seems to be paying attention to that blue car
01:02:07
for some reason maybe it's of no importance at all and then she walks over into one of the
01:02:13
garages then on video six this shows a red car driving slowly note that the car is driving slowly near the blue car once
01:02:23
again that we referenced earlier again this could be the driver paying close attention to the blue car then the
01:02:29
car appears to be pulling into one of the garages and note this would be a garage that seems to be in a similar
01:02:37
location if not the exact same location as to where I said the roommate appears to be walking into M so what I think you
01:02:45
know because people there's no sound so some people have raised question well why why even bother show us this but it
01:02:52
I believe we're seeing the roommate walking out to their garage and then you're seeing her return in her red car
01:02:59
later yeah again it's it's hard to know without knowing the layout of the land too much but we're going to put that
01:03:05
link on our website and on our blog please give us your thoughts on these videos they're very short mhm video
01:03:14
clips and I have some notes regarding the footage as a whole when you you know you put them all together as one big
01:03:21
movie let's say now I said to you captain on the phone last week that I believe that these are cameras that once
01:03:28
they detect motion or movement that they then record what they see until they no
01:03:33
longer detect motion after watching the videos many times I now think differently I think that these are
01:03:39
always recording and that we're just seeing Snippets that at some point before they release the this footage to
01:03:46
the public that they just cut it at different points for whatever reason it could be just arbitrary who knows well
01:03:53
it could just be motion sensor too because it seems like a lot of these videos it's there's Motion in there mhm
01:04:01
you know the roommate walking or the car so yeah I I just I think with my with my
01:04:08
background what I'm seeing here is is cameras that are recording all the time um I also think that these cameras were
01:04:14
probably not installed with the purpose of watching individuals coming and going
01:04:20
from that walkway area but the main purpose sole purpose of protecting the cars in the parking lot and the garages
01:04:28
that are there as well also remember that blue car I pointed out I wonder if this could be kin's car the the blue car
01:04:37
is present and parked in that same spot every time we see kin in fact the blue car is there for all six videos mhm but
01:04:47
I do want to point out too some some things we don't have timestamps or at least the videos I watched didn't have
01:04:54
them so they don't we don't know at what time each of these videos is made or taking place or even the actual order of
01:05:04
the videos other than the assumption that they are in the order per the the news station KSL yeah um but in these
01:05:13
videos again I don't see any evidence of somebody losing their mind or not um coherent like at all the
01:05:24
actions that she makes I can make logical assumptions of why she's making these actions well and that's where I
01:05:32
fault some of the news stations and some of the coverage regarding this disappearance is we have them saying
01:05:39
she's she's talking to herself she appears to be interacting with someone that's not there that's just that's just
01:05:46
telling a tale it's just spinning a yarn it's making a good story out of a tragic
01:05:53
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