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true crime foreign California on Sunday July 23 1995. the parents of 15 year old Elise
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pauler reported her missing to the San Luis Obispo Sheriff's Department her parents David and Lisa Ann reported
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that the teen was last seen at her family's home when she left for unknown reasons
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Elise was described as five feet seven inches tall and about 120 pounds she's Caucasian with shoulder-length
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blonde hair and blue eyes in the coming weeks and months the local TV news and newspapers will remind the
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public of the missing teen adding that family and friends had not seen nor heard from Elise since the
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night of July 22nd the sheriff's department stated that they are attempting to locate the teen but say
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that they have no leads there were several unconfirmed sightings of Elise again these are unconfirmed
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the sheriff's department theorized she is still in the area possibly in South San Luis Obispo County area
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as Christmas approached a tip came in the tipster stated that Elise was alive and traveling with a carnival in
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Colorado this tip included a ray of Hope the caller said Elise might call home on
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Christmas Day December 25th 1995 Christmas Day the polar family gathered as usual for a
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big traditional Christmas dinner loved ones had presents under the tree for Elise
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they waited all day for the telephone to ring bringing them the message they had
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hoped and prayed for for months a call home from Elise saying she was all right and she was no longer missing
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that call never came in January of 1996 after Elise was missing for over five months now her grandmother Elise whose
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grandkids called her Nana made a public plea for her granddaughter to return home or at least to reach out and
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communicate with her family in a letter released in several newspapers Nana addressed the letter to
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my dearest Elise writing I miss you and I love you everyone is very worried and heartbroken because we don't know how
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you are if you are happy warm well fed and healthy in closing Nana writes we can work it
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out you can stay here with me until you want to go elsewhere please please just call me so we know you are alive
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foreign [Music] [Music] [Music] ER was born April 24 1980 to parents David and Lisa Ann she would be the
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oldest of four children her siblings are sisters Jennifer and Christina and her brother Ryan this was a happy big family
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who loved one another and looked after each other the family was active in their church
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and in their community Elise excelled at a very early age at painting and she was said to be a very
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gifted person in the Arts this would continue throughout her life and in 1992 at the age of 12 Elise
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finished first and took the girls beginner's title at the napomo tennis association's Junior singles tournament
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in the summer of 1995 Elise was maturing now age 15 hanging out with other high school kids of course and like most
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situations elise's parents knew most of elise's friends and schoolmates but not all of them as we said in the trailer
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Elise was last seen at her home on the night of July 22nd reported missing the next morning by her parents the early
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reports state that Elise left home for unknown reasons and then she was missing for days weeks and then months
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as we almost always see in these cases the parents of the missing teenager and the sheriff's department have differing
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opinions and theories as to what exactly has taken place the parents always fear
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the absolute worst and law enforcement has to look at the known facts of the situation and any possible leads and let
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those circumstances lead their theories and opinions some more detailed information would
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eventually come out in this case and I think from this story and the information that comes out you can
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possibly see why there was a difference in opinion here story that comes out and this is from
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elise's Grandmother Elise Walter and it was reported in the Santa Maria Times newspaper and the report says the night
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she disappeared Elise had been watching a movie with her family when she received a telephone call from a friend
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at about 10 pm Walter said when Elise received a second phone call a few minutes later Walter said she abruptly
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told her parents she was tired and was going to bed she said I love you and I'm going to bed
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the phone call Walter said was from a boy who had been suspended from Arroyo Grande High School in March of 1995
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after Elise told officials the boy had sold drugs though her father checked to make sure
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Elise was okay after she went to bed a second check by one of elise's two sisters a short time later found pillows
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had been stuffed under the blankets to make it appear that Elise was present Walter who has spent the past eight
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months searching for Clues to the whereabouts of her granddaughter said Elise had snuck out of the house a few
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times prior to her disappearance but had always returned the next day by Dawn when she didn't return home by the
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morning of July 23rd elise's father called the Sheriff's Department so this is where I think we're seeing
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the difference of opinions as far as the sheriff's department is concerned and her family is concerned right the family
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is concerned because there are two phone calls that they are aware of that came into the house
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just before she may have left on her own you know everybody knows the old trick we've seen it in the prison escape
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movies we've seen kids do it in movies where you stuff a couple pillows or stuffed animals underneath the the
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sheets or blankets to appear that somebody's sleeping in the bed but the family is concerned about the
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phone calls and that she didn't come home the sheriff's department on the other end they're concerned about a couple of
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things one it appears that Elise left the home on her own right to go off and do what we don't know but it appears
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that she left on her own two it's already reported that that she has left the home several times before snuck out
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in the middle of the night she was as her parents say and grandmother says running around with the with a bad crowd
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at that time in her life and we have these unconfirmed sightings of her elsewhere
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so police are looking at this going well she might have snuck out in the middle of the night she this time she may have
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just run away and now we're seeing we have these sightings of her elsewhere now the the only issue I take with that
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is a 15 year old blonde high school kid right I mean the dime a dozen right it would be easy to to
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believe that you are seeing her somewhere and these are as said unconfirmed sightings no there's a
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there's a lot of reports that she had a French door she she lived in a pretty big house and she was not
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as close to the other rooms okay and for whatever reason they keep and almost every report I read they talk about how
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that she had French doors um note to anybody that has French doors they're the easiest doors to break into
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but they're also the easiest to sneak out of are they well I I don't know my home
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growing up well one of the homes that I grew up in I don't know if it was the location of the of the door itself but
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or if or if the French door was just quieter when it would open and close but that was my door of choice for sneaking
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out was the French door yeah so just a safety note if you have French doors make sure that you have some other
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um Locking System on them than what comes with them I also think um as far as the family goes with their gut
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feeling when she's missing and the fact that they think that she is no longer with them I believe that is coming from
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some kind of um maternal Instinct uh some gut feeling maybe not so much evidence but also as
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parents and as law enforcement you have to go well what are these calls and what
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is the motivation are these just calls that have nothing to do with the fact that she left the house
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or are these uh individuals that are going hey come hang out with us come party with us is this a way to get her
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out of the house so I don't know exactly what activities of elise's that her parents would have been aware of you
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know what she was up to when she was not at home but it seems to me that the big question
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mark in red flag that I have here is when we said law enforcement has to follow the leads has to take the known
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information the known facts and come up with an opinion there it seems like the family has some
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general knowledge of the person that called the home this doesn't seem to be like they're just like oh the phone rang
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twice and we don't know somebody right because they're giving a little bit of a description of a boy who was suspended
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from school we know that it was a boy you have to wonder did they in fact know the boy's name or
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how much information did they know about this person that called and was it the same person that called twice that night
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or two separate people that called right and if they did know this information I'm assuming giving their fears that
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they stated early on we were fearing the worst um they were fearing that she was
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murdered even when we have these sightings come in they still publicly stated that that was their fear and you
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wonder again I think that's just a gut feeling yeah yeah and we see this where parents fear the worst in law
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enforcement tries to keep a level head about it um but but hold on hold on not always
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because sometimes uh law enforcement is going look we think there's Foul Play and you have a mother or a father saying
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hey I I think she's still with us because they're hopeful well sometimes hopeful but sometimes their gut feeling
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is telling them that their child is not passed on right you know and and you can't explain that now I understand some
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of these sightings because a lot of these sightings are like very loosey-goosey where they're saying we
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saw a blonde girl matching the description of the missing teen at a convenience store or at a store in this
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area and we're talking about these sightings are actually in the same county right in which she was living so
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this seems plausible I don't I don't know why and I don't mean to laugh because this is a tragic story that we
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have to tell today well but you're an ass but the the story of she's alive and traveling with a carnival in Colorado
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yeah uh super bizarre number one and like when when I'm finding information and looking for information of this
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story and of this case tracking down our own leads I come across that and then I
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have to like double check the year of the story because I'm like right this was 1995 right let me double check that
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because that's something I would expect to hear like 1964. right she ran away joined the
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carnival join the carnival well there was also rumors too that she left to go to LA right because she to be a movie
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star yeah she I guess there were some rumors that she wanted to be an actress yeah it's just so sad when you review
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this information and you even if the parents or the family did not believe that there was a chance of this
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happening it's still sad to read the on Christmas day there was some kind of hint of hope that they were going to
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receive a call from their missing daughter right and of course we know that that day came and went without any
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communication from Elise to her family at all or my frustration with this is the idea that the family is saying that
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we think our daughter has passed on now there's no evidence of that but I also wonder if this is a tactic by law
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enforcement to go hey there's no evidence that there's Foul Play we're going to assume there's no foul play and
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that causes them to do less work in general or they believe some of the sightings
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that are coming in right the the troubling thing though is look her elise's parents publicly state that they
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believe someone the caller the boy on the phone lured her out of the home that night and that the caller then is very
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likely the one responsible for why she never came home after that right and so they were very public about this I mean
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hell we spent all of last week discussing a case where someone called the home of a youngster and lured her
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out of that home and into a a location where he could abduct her the tricky thing here is your your most hope is
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probably coming at Christmas time even though she's already been missing for a few months we know that that call the
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call that they were hoping for did not come in and that is when really I feel that the
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Panic truly set in in this case in big time for the family because it's been months since anyone has last seen and
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now her and now the hope is drying up her grandmother makes that very public plea on the news and in the newspapers
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in January of 1996 and we heard a portion of that letter in the trailer now I can't say for certain which Theory
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the grandmother was going with because I'm sure she was on board with the family but in that same letter she
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praised the sheriff's department for all of their hard work and maybe she believed some of the unconfirmed
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sightings out there as well yeah or possibly the rumor that she was going to call and then once the call didn't
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happen she thought okay well if she's out there I'm going to put this statement out there if she's out there
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she will make contact yeah and we didn't read the entire letter written to her missing granddaughter but but from top
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to bottom it's a plea for Elise to call or to come home right so other than these unconfirmed sightings and the
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rumors there was really not a whole lot going on with this investigation unfortunately there were in in fact no
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real leads in this thing giving law enforce enforcement almost nothing to work with but this was a pretty safe
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area fairly and you'll hear the people and read the people in the area talking about that area kind of changing during
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the 90s there was a bad element to the area let's say right but almost when you thought nothing was
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going to happen with this investigation that nothing was going to happen in the search for this young woman
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something strange happened this is on March 14 1996 so after 15 year old Elise Pollard
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had gone missing vanished into the night was missing for months a young man with
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dark brown hair flowing halfway down his back he he's a thin young man five foot
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ten inch frame he walks into the sheriff's department and he has an almost unbelievable story to tell
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this is 17 year old Royce Casey Royce said a couple of his friends knew the missing girl then Royce
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explained that he and those friends murdered Elise pauler now uncertain if the boy was telling the
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truth the detectives asked him if he knew where the girl's body was located he said he did
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they asked if he could take them to her he said he could and he did Royce Casey LED detectives to a rural area just a
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little more than a quarter of a mile from where Elise had lived there sure enough just as the boy had said they
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found a badly decomposed body foreign we're back cheers mates cheers to you Captain happy Halloween to
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it's shameful sounds like Nick's voice now all right captain now it would take a
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few days but it would be on Monday March 19 1996 that publicly identification of
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the body is announced to the public and they do state that this was the missing girl we have found 15 year old Elise
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pauler law enforcement during this time while they're working to make that identification one they already believe
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that it is her because they have this teenager who has the story to tell that that me and some friends killed this
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teenage girl so they are in communication with elise's family and even before the identification was
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announced publicly her father was in the paper stating they found Elise our fears
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were confirmed right um but he also says too that there are going to be some details in this case
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that comes out and when you hear them you won't believe them so he's getting detailed information from law
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enforcement before that it's put out publicly he knows that once they get to an arraignment when they have their
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first day in court to to officially charge anyone with any type of crime there will be some kind of details that
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come out that day and that the public is going to be shocked at what they hear so he's aware of some of the confession
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right let's call it that right some of my issue though she's found within a quarter mile of her house
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you know that it seems like they should have had some search parties or something they should have found her
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body way before this yeah so after the identification is made the information that comes out now mind you
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at first the suspect or suspects will not be named publicly in fact the the boy that confessed he's not named
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publicly for a couple days as well but what we end up learning is that 15 year old Elise pauler's body was discovered
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about a quarter mile from her home she had been raped and murdered there left there eight months earlier by
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acquaintances Jacob delish moot Joseph fiorella and Royce Casey the perpetrators Apparently returned to the
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corpse and had sex with it on several occasions the body was located after Royce Casey confessed to the crime
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following his conversion to Christianity so Royce Casey who had become estranged
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from his one-time friends Joseph and Jacob he approached law enforcement officials
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and made it admitted that he had helped kill the girl he led authorities to her decomposed corpse which they found
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splayed out in a South County Eucalyptus Grove so she wasn't far from home but she was
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well concealed the the confession is going to have to offer up more details than just that right
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so what we would learn is that Royce states that the group got together and smoked some marijuana
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after which we have delishmu reportedly strangled Elise with his belt while Joseph
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fiorella stabbed her in the neck with a hunting knife and Casey Royce Casey held
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her hands and arms then Casey and delishmoot then took turns stabbing the girl right I believe
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she was stabbed 12 times you're exactly right the forensic Pathologists who examined the body testified later in
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court that none of the 12 stab wounds were in fact fatal which indicated that Elise died by slowly bleeding to death
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right authorities said that the three had engaged in sexual intercourse with the girls corpse investigators said
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Fiorella's mother told them her son said Royce and Casey had engaged in sex with
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the body and one of Jacob's friends testified that he he bragged about returning to the corpse
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often saying to have sex with her yeah I actually didn't believe this at at first
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thinking this is a very sick crime one to to kill anybody who's a sick crime but to then
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come back to the corpse and have sex with it that and you know unless you're raping the
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corpse but to have three individuals do this that sounded unbelievable to me but the fact
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that then you were telling me well no it's be we know for a fact that they kept coming back to the corpse so that
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made it make more sense yeah and the thing here too is as you said this this is weird and it weird to hear this I
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mean we know that when we covered Ted Bundy and in some other cases as well that even when Ted admitted to a lot of
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what he did he was not upfront about the acts of necrophilia that he was doing right and
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that's where you see a unique situation where these young men they're they're bragging about probably the grossest
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most disturbing part of this whole situation right but these are three Disturbed individuals anyways Disturbed
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individuals and young individuals right you know they the three youths all together apparently told at least two
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acquaintances of the murder itself but their Tales were dismissed as a fabrication that these people they heard
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what these boys had to say you know friends of theirs or so-called friends of theirs right and they're like yeah we
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didn't tell anybody because we just thought these idiots were lying right the story as
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said sounded unbelievable apparently though pauler's killing had been plotted once before and this is
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according to Royce Casey he tells law enforcement that not only did we kill her but we attempted to do
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so on a previous occasion right he said that on on this one occasion Joseph fiorella and Jacob
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delishmoot had tried to carry out this plan to kill Elise pauler in this plot which ended up
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being similar to the one that that led to the girl's death Casey told investigators the trio
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enticed pauler from her home and got her to walk to a spot on the Mesa where there was a Steep Ravine and
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at this location one of the boys pretended to slip down the Ravine as a ruse to try to get
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Elise pauler to walk down to the bottom of this Ravine right now apparently she didn't do what they
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needed her to do for this plot to be carried out but even so Joseph fiorella then pulls out a knife he tosses it to
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this is another individual that actually was not involved in the killing of Elise
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pauler but this knife that that Joseph fiorella pulls out on this occasion ends up being
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the same one that would later be used in her murder right now the other teen remember he throws this knife to this
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other guy that other team he kind of panics and he just stood there he didn't he didn't do anything
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and the other teen boys are shouting out do it do it you know they're trying to get him to initiate the attack on a
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lease he does not do it and Casey Royce Casey tells law enforcement this sounds weird
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that we're telling you the story of of you know another a failed attempt I guess right at her murder well then why
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would she leave the house and go out with you and he told law enforcement he goes she probably just thought we were
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goofing around right she didn't she wasn't aware we didn't State what we intended to do that day she didn't
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really believe that there was any threat there these are teenagers getting high and acting like goofballs and she
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probably just assumed that they were just idiots and they were goofing around well and these idiots were part of a
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band right the band was called hatred yeah which which gives you an idea of of what kind of music they were playing
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and probably at what um at what talent level they were probably playing this music yeah I think it's
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funny I heard a couple people uh one reporting on this say I think that's a good band name I think it's a shitty
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band name but that's just my hatred we're called that it sounds like a very 10 year old 12 year old we're going to
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join the metal band what are you going to call it hatred well and what I couldn't figure out
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Captain what I was trying to find was how legit was this band right because when you're in high school everybody
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knows somebody that's always forming a band that never forms it doesn't ever practice they never practice they don't
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have any real music half of the people that are supposed to be in this band don't have any
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instruments or equipment but I guess based off the confession he he did say uh that during some rehearsals I believe
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or during some practices or again that could not be a practice it could just be hanging out at somebody's house and one
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guy has a guitar there um because I've had you know back in my day I've had band practices like that
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and we're going to go over to jam and you show up and there's one guy with a guitar right
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um but that's kind of where you know this obsession with her kind of began or how he heard about it anyways
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yeah and the whole band thing is important to this case for several reasons look Joseph fiorella was 16
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years old Royce Casey was 18 and Jacob delish moot was 17. the state wanted to try them as adults
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for their roles in The Killing and for the acts that They carried out afterwards
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and the important thing here for the state is they need to present this to the public and say look this is how
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Disturbed and this is how messed up these kids are they're they're super violent we don't want them on the
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streets ever again because of what we know about this murder in these crimes it's not safe for anybody for for any of
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these three to be walking around out in society yeah I mean this is a premeditated murder again this is a this
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is a torturous murder then then the torture to the corpse afterwards I mean this is
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Beyond heinous so the state puts forward to the public some of the details about
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the crimes stating that the defendants said that they needed to commit a sacrifice to the devil to give their
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heavy metal band hatred the craziness to go professional apparently part of their
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part of the The Plea here will be a full confession where you're going to hear in
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my opinion what would be several motives for this murder and one of it being that
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they wanted to sacrifice a virgin to the devil to make their band play better to
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make them get a contract to make them be a a big band and one of the bands that they idolized was the band Slayer right
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and anybody that's familiar with their music you know what you're getting into and I
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don't want to this is not going to turn into an old man rant here because as the
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captain will will vouch for me on I I grew up a big fan of a lot of metal bands what you would call death metal
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um I was never into Slayer but um before though right yeah Metallica yeah I mean
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I don't wanna I don't want to disrespect anybody I never considered them one of the big four I almost feel like because
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of the tragedy with Pantera that the Slayer may have got elevated right to the big four also when you're putting
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together that tour you gotta line up whoever's willing to go and by default somebody may become part of the big four
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I don't think anybody would argue that the other three are the big three right so well and look if you offer 10
00:34:30
times that I get to see Pantera or Slayer 10 out of 10 times I'm going to go see Pantera oh 100 percent
00:34:38
unfortunately another detail to the confession was that Elise pauler cried out for her mother when she was attacked
00:34:47
and she was on the ground praying to God and calling for her mom in these Savages
00:34:52
just continued to attack her anyway yeah and I think this is some of it is you know the
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the crossroads story well Robert Johnson goes to the crossroads meets the devil signs his soul away and and
00:35:11
supposedly these guys were talking in in chat rooms about this and these I guess they were like satanic
00:35:19
or occult chat rooms and the people of the chat rooms were saying well look if you if you sacrifice
00:35:27
somebody then you could have these powers so you have that going on Plus there's they're in a shitty band and
00:35:36
they're shitty musicians and they're shitty people all around us pieces of [ __ ] well and
00:35:42
you know what was weird too was I couldn't find anybody that said that they had ever seen the band play
00:35:47
anywhere like there were some other teenagers that seemed to be aware of this band right probably just hearing
00:35:54
these boys talk about it and boast about it we we already know that when it comes
00:35:58
to murder and other sick acts that these three certainly had no filter they were
00:36:03
too young and too dumb to not keep quiet about what they had done right um so with the with the band thing who
00:36:11
knows if it was even the real deal or not but we do know that that was what the claims were the the public claims were
00:36:20
that they wanted to sacrifice a virgin to earn them a ticket to hell and to become this big band now the
00:36:28
representation for one of these boys would state that a lot of this a lot of these allegations were grossly
00:36:36
overstated and some of them were flatly without any factual support right stating these allegations are intended
00:36:43
to inflame public opinion again we need these three guys to be tried as adults and fortunately that's
00:36:51
what takes place all three of these 16 17 year old 18 year old they're going to be tried as adults for their roles in
00:37:00
The Killing and eventually all three of them would plead no contest to her murder right and this was this was not
00:37:08
an easy or short Court proceedings but what it led to was a plea of no contest to her murder and
00:37:16
all three of them are imprisoned and serving 26 years to life for each one of these so
00:37:24
hopefully but none of these three get out of prison right but there is that option
00:37:30
that could happen I'm not clear though so we get the one guy that confesses yeah what was his name again sorry
00:37:38
um Royce Casey yeah he's the main guy in this case he comes forward he confesses
00:37:44
but it seems like the other two then confess I just want to be clear about that did
00:37:50
they end up confessing as well I mean it appears that way right it appears that way but what we do know is
00:37:57
that they pled no contest right so they're not going to fight the charges basically and Royce Casey he comes
00:38:05
forward because he converted to Christianity he's he saw the light found God so he's hanging out with these
00:38:12
numbnuts right and they're doing stuff satanic stuff occultist stuff and then they're they're listening to the this
00:38:20
death metal music and then they decide and one of the members has this obsession with her
00:38:29
so therefore we're going to lure her out of her home at night and we're gonna kill her
00:38:35
have sex with the body and then one of them at some point I I don't think it's as simple as that
00:38:44
he just found Christianity I also think he was convinced that the other two were
00:38:49
going to kill again and possibly kill him so I I don't think it's as simple as look I found God and look at me I I'm
00:38:57
the righteous one I'm the one confessing I think part of this was to save his own
00:39:02
ass it could be I mean I can't see what's going on in the the mind of Royce Casey but what has been reported is that
00:39:09
he he found God and he wanted to own up to what he was a part of um he now we might just be getting his
00:39:17
version of the events but as you stated they they pled no contest we would get public statements from the other two
00:39:25
eventually that would make it sound as though they've confessed on some level elise's parents David and Lisa Ann
00:39:35
pauler they would later claim that the Slayer songs postmortem and dead skin mask from the album's rain and blood in
00:39:43
seasons in the abyss gave the three killers detailed instructions to stalk rape torture
00:39:51
and commit acts of necrophilia right so this is a lawsuit that is filed and technically it was filed twice now both
00:40:00
times the lawsuit was thrown out himself stated in a Washington Post interview quote the music is destructive
00:40:11
but that's not why Elise was murdered she was murdered because Joe fiorella was obsessed with her and obsessed with
00:40:18
killing her we do know that David pauler stated to the newspaper shortly after the arrest
00:40:26
of the three young men that he believed that his daughter was being stalked by these three boys they were in fact
00:40:34
acquaintances and what little he knew about these boys he could say at one time Elise rode the same school bus as two of
00:40:43
the three now we have a situation where these three boys are they're living a different life than
00:40:53
what Elise was and we do know that she might have been running around with the wrong crowd at that time just being 15
00:41:00
years old but one of these boys in fact attended a different school was was a member at a private school right the
00:41:09
other two boys rode the same bus as Elise and it was these two boys that her father David believed were stalking her
00:41:17
they were maybe obsessed with her we don't know what level of friendship or relationship that they had but the two
00:41:26
boys that rode the school bus with her at one point they were certainly in and out of trouble leading up to this at the
00:41:33
time of her murder neither of those boys were still attending that same school because they'd got in so much trouble
00:41:39
that they were told they had to leave right one of them I believe was already enrolled in another school somewhat in
00:41:47
the area and then the other boy was attending homeschool cool well on top of just playing in the band
00:41:55
and being kicked out of school these kids had some drug use as well correct correct they were selling drugs and I
00:42:04
don't know what drugs they were pushing but we do know at the very least that they used marijuana to lure her out of
00:42:12
her home that night to go and well I think they were doing guys opioids and or no not opioids uh amphetamines well
00:42:20
and that's where I referenced the bad element in the area there were several people that after this confession and
00:42:27
after these men were put away that stated hey you know marijuana is one thing but we were seeing opioids
00:42:35
amphetamines we were seeing uh crack and crystal meth being introduced to the area and and
00:42:43
people a lot of people partaking in those activities and I understand why the parents sued
00:42:50
Slayer or why they tried to sue Slayer because especially this story it seems like all
00:42:57
all the individuals were saying well we all listen to Slayer and and that might be a part of the equation
00:43:03
you get these idiot kids one's obsessed with this girl they're going into these chat rooms
00:43:12
I think on some level maybe these chat rooms are a little more responsible you know than than a Slayer record would
00:43:21
be but also believe in freedom of speech and I also believe in capitalism and if
00:43:27
you have a band singing songs about shitty things that you know you want if people don't listen to it it eventually
00:43:36
goes away so so I do think that's on um you know their parents on some level um you know and you're always going to
00:43:46
have that argument while these people were playing video games and those games caused them to kill no I think
00:43:53
deep down here piece of [ __ ] and that's what caused you to do what you did not
00:43:57
not because you listened to a Slayer record yeah I'm I'm fully on board with the the
00:44:03
lawsuit itself on both occasions because what I'm going to attempt to understand
00:44:09
here is that when my daughter is taken and killed and murdered I I will attempt to understand just
00:44:19
being angry at everybody and wanting to hold everybody responsible I'm fully on board with that
00:44:26
the other thing too is that this isn't something that the investigators just made up oh these boys were listening to
00:44:33
Slayer and they and they killed this girl this isn't something that they made up
00:44:38
this was part of the confession and so therefore I get that and I understand that from the parents perspective I
00:44:45
would be upset with everyone as well and wanting to hold as many people accountable as possible as well given
00:44:52
the situation yeah but it's but it's as you said it's you can't you can't hold a band like Slayer or
00:45:00
some other band accountable for this because it's just not it's just not fair and it doesn't work for society I mean
00:45:07
what are you going to do take every movie video game book everything out there that maybe ever
00:45:14
molded these boys into who they turned out to be and and make them pay grievances it just it
00:45:23
doesn't work I I get it but um and I I don't fault the parents for pursuing those Avenues but I also fully
00:45:30
understand why it was thrown out yeah and I also wonder if some of this stuff was blown up this is towards the end of
00:45:37
the 80s so you got some satanic Panic stuff going on and I wonder if some of these like we were talking about before
00:45:44
if you know these [ __ ] dudes are sitting there going well yeah we're in this metal band called hatred and yeah
00:45:50
we're like really influenced by Slayer if a comment like that is just kind of blown up even more and I know there's
00:45:58
more comments than just that but I think some of this stuff is kind of blown up but
00:46:04
but I think those chat rooms I really think like if if those accounts are true and they're in these chat rooms and you
00:46:10
have these adults in these chat rooms saying well yeah if you know if you want to get these powers and you want to get
00:46:18
signed to a major label if you want to sell your soul to the devil what you need to do is sacrifice somebody and and
00:46:26
I think the combination of that and these kids on amphetamines and all these other mind-altering drugs that we we
00:46:34
know look again well there's a lot of people that are like there's nothing wrong with
00:46:40
booze I mean our show we talked about booze there's not nothing wrong with weed a lot of these things are not suitable
00:46:47
for growing Minds right and and they shouldn't be they shouldn't be partaked in until you know early 20s or whatever
00:46:59
so I'm sure there's some science on that I'm I'm not a science I'm a scientist I'm just a captain of a lonely ship
00:47:08
no but I think it's the combination of that but if you have these idiot [ __ ] in chat rooms going oh yeah you
00:47:16
should sacrifice somebody that would get you signed um I don't know if you'd ever be able to
00:47:22
find those individuals but but those individuals are pieces of [ __ ] yeah uh Elisa Pollard's story was the basis
00:47:32
for part of the storyline in the 2009 film Jennifer's Body which starred Megan Fox
00:47:40
I've not seen the movie so I don't I can't can't back that up right but that is what is often reported in this the
00:47:47
you know these situations of course they have lasting effects and horrific effects on the loved ones and parents of
00:47:56
a murdered teenager but there was a story that came out years after her death where elise's Father David was
00:48:06
involved in a road rage incident and he cited that he has PTSD from living through the situation and claim that he
00:48:17
has difficulty managing stress difficulty managing his anger levels and actions at times because of how much he
00:48:27
he suffered and was hurt by this whole tragic story well no and that's the thing that I think a lot of people
00:48:35
wrestle with if if this was my sister what would I what would I have done if I heard rumors about these
00:48:46
three individuals stabbing her 12 times letting her bleed out then going back and
00:48:56
and messing with the body like I mean this this is a gruesome crime that's not to take away you know from
00:49:07
other crimes but it's like is a it's like if you're confronted with that individual would you
00:49:17
take their life and so you have this father I think in a lot of these cases fathers mothers Brothers
00:49:27
sisters family members that feel like they didn't do anything wrong but they didn't do anything right
00:49:35
if that makes sense like there's probably nothing that her parents could have done differently that
00:49:42
day like these kids called her and somehow they got her out of the house and there's probably nothing that they
00:49:50
could have said before she went to bed to change that but there's not a day that probably goes by in his brain that
00:49:57
he doesn't think well what if I hugged her good night maybe she wouldn't have left the house maybe if I would have
00:50:02
done this that I could have stopped this on some level and yeah you'd be I think it'll be
00:50:10
almost impossible to let go of that anger in another strange twist in this story here Captain we have Anthony
00:50:18
fiorella the brother of Joseph fiorella he killed a teenager as well this took place in 1998 when he shot and killed a
00:50:30
teenager by the name of Garrett Hunter this was over a drug dispute he was there to sell some drugs and it this was
00:50:38
a drug deal gone bad gone wrong and Anthony fiorella killed this other young man
00:50:45
now in regards to the three individuals that murdered their daughter Elise pauler the pauler family stated we want
00:50:54
these predatory monsters to stay in prison for the rest of their lives and we couldn't agree more
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foreign [Music] happy Halloween and cheers mates thanks so much for joining us this week in the
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garage yeah everybody make sure you have a safe and happy Halloween want to throw
00:51:22
out a quick recommendation before we wrap up for this week here Captain this week we are recommending call me God
00:51:28
this is the untold story of the DC sniper investigation last week audible presented this and it came out on
00:51:36
Thursday and I downloaded it and I cannot quit listening to it I would not call this an audiobook this is more of a
00:51:43
presentation so check out call me God and we will have that title listed for you on our recommended page at truecrime
00:51:49
garage.com yeah like the colonel said be safe make sure you check your kids candy
00:51:54
and make sure you steal a couple pieces for yourself but be safe and enjoy this week and until next week be good be kind
00:52:02
and don't litter foreign [Music]