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[Music] crime [Music] you know a question that a man always has to a ask himself when he goes
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through something like I went through are you in a better spot than you were before was it worth
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it and the answer to me is yes and the sooner man gets to Leading a life of transparency the better off he is and
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you do that by making things simple but what we do because of sin things get complicated I mean every day the devil
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would beat me up every single day the devil would beat me up and remind me of what a bad person I was and what that
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does that that keeps harboring you know the crime and keeps burying you and what
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you then you can't be of any use to [Music] anybody January 1982 Santa Clara California a baby is
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born this is Patrick James Dene Patrick grew up to be tall and athletic he played basketball on the Willcox high
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school team located in Santa Clara as a sophomore Dene averaged 20 points 14 rebounds and eight blocks a game
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afterward he transferred to St Francis High School in Mountain View he was rated a 1999 2000 High
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honorable mention All-American by Street and Smith's magazine this despite missing half of his senior season due to
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a torn ACL an injury that required surgery the high school star athlete then went on to play college basketball
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a scholarship player at the University of New Mexico where he was listed as a 6'9 in tall backup forward as a freshman
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he played in 33 games and started two and was named the school's most approved player as a sophomore in 20012 2002 Dene
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now listed as a center started 28 games and played in 30 in total averaging 10.6
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points 7.5 rebounds per game and was named all Mountain West Conference honorable mention but remember friends
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the fall is always a lot faster than the climb Patrick Dene got into hot water with his coach and teammates this is
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after he stormed out of a practice leading Patrick Dene to be kicked off of the basketball team but Dene made enough
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of an impact on his team and in his conference finishing fifth in the conference in
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rebounds that he's going to get another opportunity he was offered a roster spot
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on the University of Baylor's basketball team where per league rules he would be
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required to sit out a year for making the transfer Baylor a proud Baptist University this is where Dene made a
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religious and personal transformation then after sitting out for a year Patrick Dene now 21 years old
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6'10 Ines tall and weighing 230 lbs was ready to play for the Baylor Bears in the upcoming 2003 2004 season and it was
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looking like Baylor was ready to try to make a run at not only defeating the big
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dogs like Texas and Kansas but making a run at winning the Big 12 championship this team seemed to be full
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of transfers from other colleges one of those transfers was Carlton doson doson played for Paris Junior College in East
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Texas and transferred at the same time as Dene but per league rules doson was allowed to play immediately Carl doson
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in his first year playing for the Baylor Bears played in 28 games and averaged almost 16 minutes a game but in 2003 a
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new Junior College transfer was making his way to Baylor this is Harvey Thomas head coach Dave Bliss believed Harvey
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Thomas was the missing piece and informed Carl Dodson that his playing time was going to go down
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significantly Dodson was going to leave the team in University and transfer again if he could find a school in early
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2003 Carl Dodson and his wife split up Dodson goes to live with his good friend in teammate Patrick Dene in an apartment
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at some point doson answers an ad this is for a breeder who was selling pitbull puppies Dodson and Dene go to a farm to
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check out the pups there the two become friends with the property owners this is
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Darren and Tammy Cox but hold on to your horses cuz it's going to be become a bumpy ride pretty quick doson and Dene
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they go to their coaches with a complaint and this is not your normal type of complaint yeah they're not
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talking about basketball or things related to their time playing their Court time any of that this is more
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serious this is they are saying that $300 was stolen from their apartment and that they were being threatened by some
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of their other teammates it does not appear that any action was taken regarding these complaints but we know
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that these complaints took place so these young men are going to take action into their own hands on June 2nd 2003
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they tell friends that they have purchased guns to protect themselves after the 5-day waiting period on June
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7th Dene and Dodson show one of their doggy friends Darren Cox two guns they say were purchased because because they
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were concerned about their personal safety they asked if they could practice shooting these guns at the farm and
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permission was granted yeah on June 11th Den's other roommate Chris Turk leaves for a trip Patrick Dene makes a
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long-distance call to his girlfriend in Albuquerque this is longtime girlfriend Jessica De la
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Rosa on June 12th Patrick Den he attends his final class of the year two days later Den he tells his friend Daniel
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that he is worried about threats to Carlton Dodson by two of their teammates he also tells Daniel that both he and
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doson will meet him at a party the next day but neither Dene or Dodson ever show
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up to this party so you have these roommates that go to their coach saying hey we got $300 that are missing
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and now we're getting these threats now I'm assuming that now that they're you know worried about these threats that
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are coming from quote unquote teammates were these the threats that they talked about to their coach
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earlier it appears that all of this is the same stemming from all the same story right the next day on June 15th
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Den's mother and stepfather they find it very odd that they didn't hear from Patrick Dene on that day
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this is Father's day yeah and he does not call home to to speak with his father on June 16th the other roommate
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uh Chris Turk and I say other roommate because remember we have Dene and Dodson and Chris Turk living there yeah this
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Chris Turk he returns from his out ofate trip and finds that Den's dogs have not
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been fed in what he says he believes to be days now a few days go by and Patrick's parents still have not
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heard from their son and in fact they are in the process of trying to track him down they want to know why they've
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not heard from him where could he be what's going on with this young man well after talking with Patrick's friends and
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his girlfriend they decide to step up the search and they actually report Patrick Dene missing on June 19th 2003
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now as anybody report in uh Carlton missing no no one is reporting Carlton missing and this is also why I included
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some of the events leading up to when he's actually reported as missing so we have the other team the other roommate
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Chris Turk saying hey I left for this trip and when I left everything was normal everything was fine right and we
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know that Den he spoke to his long distance longtime girlfriend and everything was fine then
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everything was fine they were actually planning on when they would see each other remember he had attended his last
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class of the year but he might have met mention the threats to her or do we do we know that I don't
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know that he did there's nothing to state that he did but what we do know is when Chris Turk returns from his out
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ofate trip he's like look that's when things appeared weird to me everything was fine when I left I get back and his
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dogs appear to be starving they've not fed in days and oh by the way nobody has heard from Patrick Den including his
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parents who he very close to not calling on Father's Day and his girlfriend that
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he was very close to has not heard from him since that last phone call right the
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dogs maybe I mean you know little Frank he he acts like he's starving all the time even right after he just ate so but
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big red flag to go hey here's this guy that you know is getting on track to to play some basketball seems like a good
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guy why didn't he call home Father's Day mhm well now we have the wakeo police department they're involved because now
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we have a missing person's report that has been filed so on June 23rd the Waco Police Department they file an affidavit
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seeking a search warrant this is for Den's computer they want to get into that computer see what was going on if
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they can find a trail of breadcrumbs to lead them to Patrick Denny yeah now this
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next part certainly scared the hell out of Patrick's friends and family because on June 25th so this is 6 days after he
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is officially reported missing to police on June 25th Patrick Den's Chevy Tahoe is found in a mall parking lot
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now this is way out in virgin Virginia Beach Virginia mhm So Not only would the 1,400 mil distance in the 21 hours of
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driving time scare the hell out of me but the the vehicle is also found without license plates yeah this is not
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good so somebody moved this vehicle this great distance 1,400 miles and tried to
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conceal it by removing the license plates police don't know how it ended up there or who moved D it there or if in
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fact it could have even been Patrick himself yeah but then just 2 Days Later a statement is issued by police saying
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the potential suspects in this missing person's case include Patrick's teammates in relation to this statement
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amongst other aspects of this investigation a St Petersburg Florida attorney who is known to have represent
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athletes says he has been hired by one of Patrick's teammates this is Patrick's quote unquote friend and roommate
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Carlton Dodson the attorney says Carlton doson is at his home in Maryland and will not discuss the case well that's
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interesting right what's pretty close to Virginia Beach Maryland and this poor young man has gone missing in
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Texas during all of this the authorities back in Waco Texas have been conducting
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ground in aial searches looking for the young man now most of these are conducted in large areas some of which
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are large open areas and they seem to be focusing in on three areas in particular
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one of them being the Cox Farm where right so this is where they became friends with the people that were
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selling the puppy the puppies right and they also got permission once they became friends with these people to to
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shoot guns and target shoot and practice shooting these guns on their property well we got a bunch of weird stuff going
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on we have these two athletic men well we got three that are living together but everything seems fine other than
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there was some money missing and that we have possibly some threats happening so
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then these guys feel threatened enough that they're going to get guns to protect
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themselves and now we have one of the one of the basketball players is400 miles away right and we have his
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roommate his quote unquote friend saying hey I'm not talking about this and so July
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9th we have Den's mother coming out and saying the coaches told her that her son
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said he was being stalked so I wonder if that's something he said when he said hey we somebody took this money we're
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being threatened and I'm being stocked I want if that's when he told the coaches
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about that well and according to ESPN Patrick's mother said that that she and her husband they regret that their
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son never alerted them about his fears stating that if he had Den's stepfather said quote I would have been on the
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first plane to Waco on July 17th Carlton doson has a meeting at the DOR Chester County
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Sheriff's Office in Delaware after which no charges are filed and Carlton walks out of this meeting a free man the next
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day a maintenance worker at an apartment complex found and turned over to police
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a handgun this is the apartment complex where Harvey Thomas remember the new kid
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in town the believed to be missing piece on the Baylor basketball team this is where he lived
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but then in a strange and surprising twist to some but not to all on July 21st Carlton doson is arrested in
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Maryland and charged with the murder of Patrick Dene this is this goes down in a very
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weird manner okay so as soon as police come out and because hold on because we have these two friends that live
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together they both go to the coaches they they're fearful enough they say there's threats they're fearful enough
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that they get guns and and now he's being arrested with the involvement of his friend's disappearance MH okay and
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remember he's in Maryland and when we when the attorney for doson first comes out to the media and says look I'm
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representing Carlton Dodson now he's staying in his Maryland home he's not going back to Waco Texas and he's not
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going to be discussing this case with media at this time oh we do know that he has this meeting with the sheriff's
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department now he's still in his hometown he's not back in Waco Texas yet the weird thing that comes out here is
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when they interview him and they they allow him to leave they very quickly the sheriff's department very quickly tells
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the media that he didn't say anything incriminating during the the course of this meeting he didn't say anything that
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led us to believe that or would give us more suspicion than we currently have right even though he's all these many
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miles away and the vehicle Patrick denes Chevy T Tahoe is found a lot closer to Carlton doson than where Pat went
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missing from yeah yeah the arrest becomes it takes place because apparently Carlton dson called 911 dis
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the dis dispatcher okay doson said he had an emergency and requested that the police be told where he was and how to
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find him now some of what doson said to police has not been made public because it pertains to his mental condition so
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protected information according to state law but what we learn is this he says he
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was hearing voices and that he was afraid for his life Dodson told police that people want to kill him because he
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is Jesus the son of God right yeah if he's Jesus the son of God people want to kill him okay he said he
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was from a family of prophets and that he could see who was going to have him okay so this
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is a new skill above his basketball skills yeah something like that yeah so this is a strange turn of events to say
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the least you think right but can I just point out the obvious mhm wakeo this is not the first person from
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wo that has claimed to be a prophet yeah what is in that water right right that's
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that's a good question drink the water in Waco on the next episode we will be sampling water from Waco Texas no so
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this gets a little more involved especially on Carlton dodson's part so he's essentially I guess turning himself
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in and I'm sure that it's not quite clear to police what he's turning himself in for other than the fact that
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he's saying hey I'm afraid people were going to kill me yeah so they get this guy to the police department and they
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tell them hey you're safe here you need to tell us everything that's going on with you so we can protect you or or
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what have you and this is when they're realizing our suspicions were correct this Carl
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doson guy probably was involved with something that happened to Patrick Dene or he he's aware of it right to which
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Carl doson never really denies killing Patrick Den in fact he goes on to say that that he did kill Patrick Dene but
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this was in self-defense this was his argument was going to be a self-defense argument he says that at some point when
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they went out to target shoot and to practice shooting these guns that Patrick Dene pointed a gun at
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doson and he even he even pulled the trigger and doson says that the gun either misfired or or didn't fire at all
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whatever happened right to which Carl doson responds by shooting Patrick twice we have this individual in custody
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he's not denying murdering Patrick Dene but he's already putting together a self-defense argument for whatever took
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place and then on top of that he's got some questionable things going on inside his head right so he believes that he's
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Jesus he also believes that he's uh he's from a of prophets he also can tell whether or not people can go to heaven
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or hell and he is feeling threatened at some point though he's feeling threatened it's I'm trying to
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back it up a little bit because their roommates is it possible that he is hearing this stuff in his head and he
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starts feeling that he's threatened and and so therefore therefore Den starts feeling
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that or is he just going based off of what his roommate says I mean because if you live with somebody and you and you
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come home and they go a couple people called us and they're threatening us and you don't know your roommate to
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be he's not telling you that he's Jesus he's not telling you he's a prophet do you just believe that you see
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what I'm saying I maybe I'm reading too much into it but we have two individuals
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that go to coaches and say hey we f spring two individuals that buy guns was it just as it almost seems like
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a schizophrenia thing happening with doson is he taking that and and making Dene believe him uh without without
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actual evidence I think you're really on to something here because some things that we got to factor in here as well
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Patrick Dene was not at Baylor University for a very long period of time I mean transferred there he sat out
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a year these two individuals did not live together for that the entirety of that time we have we have Dodson who was
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married he was living elsewhere it wasn't until his marriage fell apart that he ends up shacking up with Patrick
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Dene and this other guy Chris Turk you really have to question how well did Patrick Dene in fact know Carlton doson
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right they before this this what is now believed to be a murder they only lived together a handful of months before this
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all went down and it gets very confusing here because I think you you've really hit
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the nail on the head where you wonder if the the perceived Threat by Patrick Dene
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is it just because it's the spillover factor from being roommates with this guy right because in the early reports
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it states something to the effect that well we have Patrick Den we have the other roommate who says he comes out and
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says Patrick Denny he was concerned about threats that Carlton Dodson was receiving right is this and then is this
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Carlton doson later saying no no no no I'm they're threatening you too they're threatening all of us that live here
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right right you're in on this now somebody broke into our home and stole money we're not safe here Hide your
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children hide your wife hide your husband too and like said they did go to police whatever was going on at this
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time whether it be real or something manufactured by Carlton doson or something that Carlton doson believed to
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be real we know that that Patrick Dene believed this enough that he went with doson to the coaches to report this on
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July 26th so this is just 5 days after Carlton Dodson is arrested police announced that they have found a badly
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decomposed body in one of the areas provided to them by Carl doson the medical examiner's office would later
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identify the body as Patrick Den an early report state that he died from gunshot wounds to the Head Patrick Den's
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funeral service is held in his home state of California about 300 people were in attendance at this beautiful
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ceremony at Jubilee Christian Church Center not far from his parents home this was a celebration of Patrick's life
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much more so than to mourn his death the space was filled with friends family teammates and of course his longtime
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girlfriend MC Hammer was present and gave a speech and told some [Music] stories
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complications with this week's case study and regarding just the case itself so the murder of young Patrick Dene a
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basketball player at the University of Baylor and the murder charges brought forward by the State against another
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Baylor basketball player or former basketball player whatever you want to call him him yeah this opened up a can
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of worms and you know when you go to like somewhere like Costco or GFS and they have those giant can goods yeah I
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would say this opened up a giant can of worms for the Baylor basketball program Costco size yeah so it turns out that
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the Baylor basketball program well specifically the head coach Dave Bliss had violated several NCAA rules and
00:32:23
regulations several players were receiving Improv ER benefits and this was coach Bliss is doing one of these
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players was in fact Patrick Dene now I'm just going to refer to him as Dave Bliss
00:32:39
from now on because in my opinion he does not deserve to be called coach or deserve the title of a coach a coach is
00:32:46
someone who should be a leader and should be a teacher and he was working with young adults and in fact this this
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guy is is so disgusting he's a complete weasel of a man that in order to cover up some of his own Mis dealings yeah he
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was ready to he had a plan and his plan was to blame a lot of this on the murder
00:33:14
victim Patrick den and we know this to be true because of a very good man that was in this in this case and this is
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assistant coach Ral so the assistant coach one of many he is in these meetings with with
00:33:31
Dave Bliss and he's like wait my boss a lot of this stuff is not adding up what he's saying to us in these
00:33:39
meetings right this dude does not seem to be on the up and up and this coach this assistant coach is learning of Mis
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dealings that he was unaware of it wasn't like that from from the top to the bottom everybody knew what was going
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on and in fact coach Ral what he gets he gets this great idea he's like you know
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what this guy Dave Bliss is a terrible person and I'm not going to go down with this guy so he starts bringing a tape
00:34:09
recorder to these meetings and hold on he comes up with this idea all on his own yeah okay and
00:34:17
so good for him so during one of these tape recorded conversations between Dave Bliss and assistant coach
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Rouse well you can clearly hear Dave Bliss stating a couple things that they needed there were some tracks that they
00:34:33
needed to cover and specifically this was $200 or I'm sorry $2,000 that was made as a down payment
00:34:42
on the Chevy Tahoe that Patrick Den was driving at the time of his murder the other thing that they needed
00:34:49
to clear up was $7,000 in paid tuition paid for Patrick Den's tuition so we got a couple problems here you
00:35:01
can't get a vehicle from your coach you can't get a vehicle from your basketball
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program and remember Patrick Denny he was not on scholarship at Baylor well he was but it appears that some of his or
00:35:13
all of his tuition was being taken care of he was he was under the table scholarship so what Dave Bliss is saying
00:35:22
in this recorded conversation he said look we can blame all of this on Patrick Dene
00:35:29
because he's dead he can't say anything he he can't have a defense for this he can't tell them what actually was going
00:35:36
on so let's come up with an idea of how we can cover up this $2,000 for the vehicle and $7,000 for the tuition so
00:35:47
you're going to try to take this dead man and try to make some Scandal that he stole money somehow no Bliss wants to
00:35:54
say that Patrick Denny he was a drug dealer and that he paid for the vehicle and for his tuition with drug deals oh
00:36:04
but we know that not to be true because we know this was manufactured by Dave Bliss so what a scumbag right you know
00:36:13
like the this is a kid that you're supposed to be mentoring this is a kid that you're
00:36:18
supposed to and look I I understand he had wasn't there a long time it wasn't like you had this long relationship with
00:36:24
him but because you're crooked you know well he used these offers to entice Dene to go to school there and play for
00:36:33
the basketball team yeah and I get it you know there's somebody out there listening right now that's going well
00:36:39
Patrick Denny he accepted that that misdoing yeah and I get I he was in the wrong for that too I get that there's
00:36:46
rules and regulations and and and Patrick Den he was he was breaking those rules and regulations but the to the
00:36:53
point where Dave Bliss elevates himself to a whole new level of loser is when he's like oh I did this stuff wrong this
00:37:02
guy's not around to say anything differently because he's been murdered and oh we'll just we'll just make up the
00:37:08
story that he's a drug dealer and that's how he got the money right which also then put some Cloud around his
00:37:15
death you know what I mean like if you go well Patrick Den he was involved in all this other stuff so okay well uh you
00:37:23
know we we don't know exactly what Carlton is telling us if it's true or not but uh but you know it's drug
00:37:30
related so no big deal I mean this is this coach is he's not a coach he's he's yeah so
00:37:39
some form of justice will prevail here regarding this stuff with Dave Bliss because on August 8th 2003 Dave Bliss
00:37:48
and the Baylor athletic director Tom Stanton both resigned Dave Bliss was forced to resign admidst allegations
00:37:56
that he had violated NCAA rules by making Financial payments to four players and that he made improper
00:38:04
statements to the media characterizing Patrick Dene as a drug dealer the school placed itself on probation limited
00:38:12
itself to seven scholarships for two years and imposed a postseason ban for one year Additionally the NCAA further
00:38:21
punished the team by initiating a non-conference ban for the 200520 season and extending the probationary
00:38:29
period during which the school would have limited recruiting privileges yeah but these guys resign
00:38:38
and they just move on to other dirty games yeah Dave Bliss is coaching elsewhere I he's he's taken a
00:38:45
significant step back in his in his career let's say but unfortunately and this is not just
00:38:53
America this is most of society I we live in in a society where a lot of people or at least some because there's
00:39:03
evidence of such some people are willing to turn a blind eye to very bad behavior
00:39:10
and choose winning over character and it's just despicable so we won't we won't discuss Dave Bliss where he is now
00:39:19
or what he's up to but his new name is Turd Ferguson but for those of you that didn't know the the story behind the
00:39:27
story you now know who Dave Bliss is what a bag of but our story our story is far from done here so on this is in
00:39:38
October Carlton doson was declared incompetent to stand trial this by a district judge and he was sent to a
00:39:46
state mental hospital to be evaluated and this evaluation the judge was going to allow for four months of
00:39:55
evaluation three psychiatrists including one appointed by the court said that doson appeared to be suffering from
00:40:02
hallucinations and psychosis but that he could regain uh competency to stand trial in the future now in February of
00:40:14
2005 doson was returned to jail after psychologists deemed him competent to stand trial but that he must continue
00:40:23
taking his antis psychotic medication the psychologist also said that dodson's accounts of hallucinations and hearing
00:40:31
voices were quote suspect prosecutors and dodson's defense team tried this is this is
00:40:41
just this part of the story is I don't ever remember us reporting this in any other case Okay prosecutors and Dotson's
00:40:50
defense team tried to work out a plea agreement but could not agree on the terms of that agreement
00:40:56
agreement so they're working on a possible plea agreement they can't agree on the terms I think that the the thing
00:41:03
that was really in question what they were battling on was the length of time that he would have to
00:41:09
serve anyway no agreement is reached but then on June 88th 2005 just 5 days before dodson's trial for murder was to
00:41:20
begin doson unexpectedly pled guilty to killing Patrick Dene and to be perfectly
00:41:27
clear this is without a deal Carlton Dodson was sentenced to 35 years in prison and he will be eligible
00:41:35
for parole in 2021 so this is a case that I like to file under the solved but unresolved category
00:41:49
for many reasons there's you you seem to have the answer to what what went down and and somewhat
00:41:57
how it went down but then you're left with all these extra questions you know like was Carlton doson actually
00:42:03
competent or incompetent was he did he know what he was doing and this whole self-defense or
00:42:11
versus murder claim that's because this thing never went to trial those are the answers that we do not have and we don't
00:42:21
get to we don't get to have them we really can only just sit back and examine this thing and form our own
00:42:27
opinions and conclusions yeah and it's this whole thing is weird I mean go back to
00:42:35
David Bliss with or AKA Turd Ferguson the thing is is we don't know if these claims or
00:42:45
these threats were real so we don't even know if both people went to these coaches unless we have assistant coaches
00:42:54
coming forward yeah there were sounds to me according to yeah but Patrick's mother's statement that that multiple
00:43:02
coaches said that there was something going on that there was complaints or that he was being stalked so it wasn't
00:43:09
just Dave Bliss uh manufacturing this it sounds to me like multiple coaches were talked to
00:43:16
by these basketball players yeah but again we don't know but we don't know if those are even real in the right right
00:43:25
but but but what I'm saying is let's say you have a problem and I don't know what
00:43:30
it is and I'm I'm not trying to take a giant leap here but just roll with me for a second you got a problem you have
00:43:38
some shady stuff going on in your program and you have this guy that you might think
00:43:45
is uh going to be the the the [ __ ] in the armor right mhm and that that is Patrick D he right
00:43:57
and for whatever reason then you tell his roommate hey we got these threats coming and then you got this money
00:44:02
missing blah blah blah uh you know uh you're going to get these guns then you're going to practice shooting them
00:44:09
you're going to kill him when you're out there you kill him when you're out there
00:44:13
you'll start saying that you heard voices blah blah blah and the reason why I say that's all
00:44:20
that stuff seems so made up as you have a third person that lived with them that
00:44:25
didn't make any of these claims beforehand you know what I mean like he didn't say that his roommate seemed off
00:44:33
that Carlton seemed off that that Carlton seemed like that he was you know hearing
00:44:40
voices doesn't say any of that so just all of a sudden magically roommate goes away and all of
00:44:50
a sudden he thinks he's Jesus thinks he's from a family of prophets and uh then then kills his
00:44:58
roommate it's just it it doesn't make a lot of sense no of course it doesn't and then
00:45:05
on top of that you got somebody that they're they're saying is competent to fit trial or to stay in trial as long
00:45:11
he's as he's medicated but that's even questionable and then all of a sudden they can't come up with a deal so there
00:45:17
is no deal so I'll just plead guilty a lot of this doesn't make any sense like we're missing pieces of the
00:45:25
story right and that's why I point out that because this thing didn't go to trial
00:45:30
that leaves some of these questions as just unanswered there are open-ended questions that are unanswered so a
00:45:38
couple things here it's difficult in any of these situations when it's tough to form an
00:45:47
opinion and sometimes I don't even think that I should because I'm not the right
00:45:52
guy not the right person for the job I can't tell you I'm not educated enough or have or even have sat down face to
00:46:01
face with Carlton Dodson to give you an opinion on his mental state it would be foolish for me to do so so in that
00:46:08
situation you just go you know what I'm going to leave it to the powers that be to people to more interested parties
00:46:13
that are better equipped to handle this type of thing the problem is they come out with two different answers in my
00:46:21
opinion he yes he's competent in the end after 4 months he's competent to stand trial as long as he keeps taking this
00:46:29
medication yeah so you that doesn't really give you a clear understanding if if in fact he believed if he was
00:46:38
hallucinating and believed these threats or if he manufactured them to put Patrick Dene in a position of
00:46:46
vulnerability yeah because you why what was his motivation well he's a loser right but I don't even know if
00:46:54
it's that simple and that's what that's what's creepy to me I don't know if it's
00:46:59
that simple I maybe it is I'm just saying that there's a whole university involved in this and there's
00:47:07
coaches and there's higher beings yeah but I I don't I don't feel like the coaches had anything to do with the the
00:47:13
murder of Patrick Den what I'm getting at and and I know that I shouldn't just say it so simple as he's a loser that is
00:47:20
just the the the introduction for my argument okay we have Carlton Johnson who is is leaving the team he's not
00:47:29
going to be playing on the team anymore he's just lost his wife he doesn't have anywhere to live he doesn't have a job
00:47:35
he doesn't have a team to play for and who's his buddy the the kid that in his eyes probably has it all he's on the
00:47:43
team he's getting himer benefits to be on the team he's got a girlfriend he's got everything going for him that
00:47:50
Carlton does not have going for him and could Carlton have manuf factured a a reason to one Let's Get Some Guns two
00:48:01
let's let's put him let's put this guy in a in a place of vulnerability where we are out in the open by
00:48:09
ourselves and maybe Patrick Den's even walking around with a gun that he purchased himself because here's the
00:48:15
here's the thing if this whole case didn't fall apart very quickly on Carlton Dodson you have to wonder if
00:48:24
they would have found Patrick Dene a year or 18 months or two years later out in this very remote
00:48:34
location and he's out there with a with a gun do they go maybe he killed himself
00:48:41
right maybe he shot himself in the head now where it gets to be difficult and I think where Carlton doson got scared and
00:48:47
realized that whole plan that I try to set into motion is not going to work because I had to do a double tap I had
00:48:54
to shoot the guy twice and then on top of that according to the LA Times Patrick James Den II was shot twice in
00:49:02
the head and did not have alcohol in his system and another source States no drugs were found in his system either
00:49:09
the LA Times goes on to say both gunshot wounds were above the right ear the first bullet exited Den's forehead above
00:49:17
the left eye the second exited behind the left ear according to the autopsy by the southwestern Institute of forensic
00:49:26
Sciences in Dallas the report does not say how long Dene had been dead but he was missing for about 6 weeks when his
00:49:33
body was found on July 25th in a field near a rock quy 4 miles south of the Baylor campus so I can't without this
00:49:43
thing going to trial and having somebody that's better educated to tell us and explain all of this to us what I can say
00:49:50
here is I don't know that this that the wounds match up perfectly with Dotson's story right of he was aiming a gun at me
00:49:59
and whether he was joking around or whatever and it misfired or it didn't fire or whatever and then I shot him
00:50:05
twice this almost looks like somebody came up behind him stuck the gun to the side of his head or this was some kind
00:50:13
of execution style murder yeah or which was which would never fall into place with the the
00:50:20
self-defense argument that he's posing and that's where it makes you wonder if he just at the last minute
00:50:27
went I'm a real [ __ ] I don't want this thing to go to trial because then all these other things are going to come
00:50:34
out all the the the details of the story are going to be filled in and at least if I go and plead guilty this way I have
00:50:43
a system I have a setup where it's I had a defense where I was I was losing it a
00:50:48
bit I was hallucinating I didn't really know what was going on and then on top of that he pointed a gun at me and I
00:50:54
fired there's even there's even times when he's been in prison and he's been interviewed and he said to the person
00:51:00
interviewing him well what would you do the guy was pointing a gun at me right what would you do and I just wonder with
00:51:08
the strange way of they were in talks they were in talks to try to come to some kind of plea
00:51:16
agreement it was never going to be that Carlton doson wasn't going to be guilty of this murder but what was going to
00:51:24
happen if this thing went to trial again the details the blanks all that could have been filled in the story could have
00:51:30
been completed and we might have had a better picture if in fact Carlton doson was in fact competent or incompetent or
00:51:39
if the self-defense argument has is even an argument at all yeah it's it's very strange I mean
00:51:47
on one aspect you want to go okay he drank too much of the Waco water he thought he was Jesus he
00:51:54
hallucinated even if it's not self-defense even if he just hallucinated that well then there's that
00:52:01
makes the story somewhat make sense and then you just okay call a day and the thing that came out was that
00:52:09
that they were paying uh Patrick under the table and probably paying some other players under the table and they got
00:52:15
caught so the coach had to resign and then he moves on with his like that that's one thing but
00:52:24
because because the evidence doesn't match up with his story and we don't know because there's
00:52:31
multiple reports on you know he's competent he's not competent you know was he hearing voices we don't
00:52:38
know you just wonder if there's something bigger here well there there was the was the threats a setup in order
00:52:47
to get the guns and order to get them to be alone so then they could it just seems like we're missing
00:52:56
some of the story and we're probably always will be missing it because I think Carlton's going to sit there in
00:53:02
prison and and just rest on this idea I was hallucinating I was hearing things he threatened me that's end the story
00:53:13
well and there's people out there still to this day that question could more than one person have
00:53:19
been involved in the murder of Patrick den and not doesn't seem to me that anybody questions that that Carlton
00:53:28
doson was involved or that the that Carlton doson should be in prison for this murder nobody seems to be
00:53:36
questioning that it's everybody feels like we just don't have the whole complete story and we did mention that
00:53:43
little story of a maintenance worker finding a gun in the apartment complex of another teammate and so these things
00:53:52
are just unfortunately it has to fall into that solved but unresolved compartment there because I
00:54:00
don't think I mean we're we're 2 years away from dodson's being eligible for parole we're not we're not getting we're
00:54:11
not going to get the answers to these questions this is how they are going to [Music]
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