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true crime a Royal Grande California on Sunday July 23rd 1995 the parents of 15-year-old Elise PA
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report reported her missing to the S Louis Obispo Sheriff's Department her parents David and Lisa Anne reported
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that the teen was last seen at her family's home when she left for unknown reasons Elise was described as 5T 7 in
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tall and about 120 lb she's Caucasian with shoulder length blonde hair and blue eyes in the coming weeks and months the
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local TV news and newspapers will remind the public of the missing teen adding that family and friends had not seen nor
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heard from Elise since the night of July 22nd the sheriff's department stated that they are attempting to locate the
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teen but say that they have no leads there were several unconfirmed sightings of a lease again these are
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unconfirmed the sheriff's department theorized she is still in the area possibly in South St Louis obisbo County
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area as Christmas approached a tip came in the tipster stated that Elise was alive and traveling with a carnival in
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Colorado this tip included a ray of Hope the caller said Elise might call home on
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Christmas day December 25th 1995 Christmas Day the Paul family gathered as usual for a big traditional Christmas
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dinner loved ones had presents under the tree for a lease they waited all day for
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the telephone to rank bringing them the message they had hoped and prayed for for months a call home from Elise saying
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she was all right and she was no longer missing that call never came in January of
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1996 after elely was missing for over 5 months now her grandmother Elise whose grandkids called her Nana made a public
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plea for her granddaughter to return home or at least to reach out and commun communicate with her family in a letter
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released in several newspapers Nana addressed the letter to my dearest Elise writing I miss you and I love you
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everyone is very worried and heartbroken because we don't know how you are if you
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are happy warm wellfed and healthy in closing Nana writes we can work it out you can stay here with me until you want
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to go elsewhere please please just call me so we know you are [Music] [Music] alive Elise pauler was born April 24th
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4th 1980 to parents David and Lisa Anne she would be the oldest of four children
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her siblings are sisters Jennifer and Christina and her brother Ryan this was a happy big family who loved one another
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and looked after each other the family was active in their church and in their Community Alise excelled at a very early
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age at painting and she was said to be a very gifted person in the Arts this would continue throughout her life and
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in 1992 at the age of 12 elely finished first and took the girls beginners title
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at the nepom tennis association's Junior singles tournament in the summer of 1995 Elise was maturing now aged 15
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hanging out with other high school kids of course in like most situations Alisa's parents knew most of Alisa's
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friends and schoolmates but not all of them as we said in the trailer Elise was last seen at her home on the night of
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July 22nd reported missing the next morning by her parents the early reports state that elely left home for unknown
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reasons and then she was missing for days weeks and then months as we almost always see in these cases the parents of
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the missing teenager in the sheriff's department have differing opinions and theories as to what exactly has taken
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place the parents always fear the absolute worst and law enforcement has to look at the known facts of the
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situation and any possible leads and let those circumstances lead their theories
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and opinions some more detailed information would eventually come out in this case and I think from this story
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and the information that comes out you can possibly see why there was a difference in opinion here the story
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that comes out and this is from Alisa's grandmother Alise Walter and it was reported in the Santa Maria Times
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newspaper and the report says the night she disappeared elely had been watching a movie with her family when she
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received a telephone call from a friend at about 10: p.m. Walter said when elely
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received a second phone call a few minutes later Walter said she abruptly told her parents she was tired and was
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going to bed she said I love you and I'm going to bed the phone call alter said was from a boy who had been suspended
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from a Royal Grande High School in March of 1995 after Elise told officials the boy had sold
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drugs though her father checked to make sure Elise was okay after she went to bed a second check by one of elise's two
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sisters a short time later found pillows had been stuffed under the blankets to make it appear that Elise was present
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Walter who who has spent the past 8 months searching for Clues to the whereabouts of her granddaughter said
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Elise had snuck out of the house a few times prior to her disappearance but had always returned the next day by Dawn
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when she didn't return home by the morning of July 23rd Alisa's father called the sheriff's department so this
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is where I think we're seeing the difference of opinions as far as the sheriff's department is concerned and
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her family is concerned right the is concerned because there are two phone calls that they are aware of that came
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into the house just before she may have left on her own you know everybody knows
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the old trick we've seen it in the prison escape movies we've seen kids do it in movies where you stuff a couple
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pillows or stuffed animals underneath the the sheets or blankets to appear that somebody's sleeping in the bed but
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the family is concerned about the phone calls and that she didn't come home the sheriff's department on the other end
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they're concerned about a couple of things one it appears that elely left the home on her own right to go off and
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do what we don't know but it appears that she left on her own two it's already reported that that she has left
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the home several times before snuck out in the middle of the night she was as her parents say and grandmother says
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running around with the with a bad crowd at that time in her life mhm and we have
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these unconfirmed sightings of her elsewhere so police are looking at this going well she might have snuck out in
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the middle of the night she this time she may have just run away and now we're seeing we have these sightings of her
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elsewhere now the the only issue I take with that is a 15-year-old blonde high school kid right I mean the dime a dozen
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right it would be easy to to believe that you are seeing her somewhere and these are as said unconfirmed sightings
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now and there's there's a lot of reports that she had a French door she she lived
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in a pretty big house and she was not as close to the other rooms okay and for whatever reason they keep in almost
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every report I read they talk about how that she had French doors um not tting Bay that has French doors they're the
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easiest doors to break into they're also the easiest to sneak out of are they well I I don't know my home growing up
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what well one of the homes that I grew up in I don't know if it was the location of the of the door itself but
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or or if the French door was just quieter when it would open and close but that was my door of choice for sneaking
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out was the French door yeah so just a safety note if you have French doors make sure that you have some other um
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blocking system on them than what's comes with them I also think um as far as the family goes with their
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gut feeling when she's missing and the fact that they think that she is no longer with them I I believe that is
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coming from some kind of um maternal Instinct uh some gut feeling maybe not so much evidence but
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also as parents and as law enforcement you have to go well what are these calls mhm and what is the motivation are these
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just calls that have nothing to do with the fact that she left the house or are these uh individuals that are going hey
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come hang out with us come party with us is this a way to get her out of the house so I don't know exactly what
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activities of elisas that her parents would have been aware of you know what she was up to when she was not at home
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but it seems to me that the big question mark and red flag that I have here is when we said law enforcement has to
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follow the leads has to take the known information the known facts and come up with an opinion
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there it seems like the family has some general knowledge of the person that called the home this doesn't seem to be
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like they're just like oh the phone rang twice and she spoke to somebody because
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they're giving a little bit of a description of of a a boy who was suspended from school we know that it
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was a boy you have to wonder did they in fact know the boy's name or how much information did they know about this
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person that called and was it the same person that called twice that night or two separate people that called right
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and if they did know this information I'm I'm assuming giving their fears that they stated early on we were fearing the
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worst um they were fearing that she was murdered even when we have these sightings come in they still publicly
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stated that that was their fear and you wonder again I think that's just a gut feeling yeah yeah and we see this where
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parents fear the worst and law enforcement tries to keep a level head about it um but but hold on hold on not
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always because sometimes uh law enforcement is going look we think there's Foul Play and you have a mother
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or father saying hey I I think she's still with us because they're hopeful well sometimes hopeful but sometimes
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their gut feeling is telling them that their child is not uh passed on right you know and and you can't explain that
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now I understand some of these sightings because a lot of these sightings are like very Loosey Goosey where they're
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saying we saw a a blonde girl matching the description of the missing teen at a convenience store or at a store in this
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area and we're talking about these sightings are actually in the same county right in which she was living so
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this seems plausible I don't I don't know why and I don't mean to laugh because this is a tragic story that we
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have to tell today oh but you're an ass but the the the story of she's alive and
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traveling with a carnival in Colorado yeah uh super bizarre number one and like when when I'm finding information
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and looking for information of the story and of this case tracking down our own leads I come across that and then I have
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to like double check the year of the story because I'm like right this was 1995 right let me double check that
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because that's something I would expect to hear like 1964 19 R away joined the carnival join
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the carnival well there was also rumors too that she left to go to LA right because she to be a movie star yeah she
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I guess there were some rumors that she wanted to be an actress yeah it's just so sad when you review this information
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and you even if the parents or the family did not believe that there was a chance of this happening it's still sad
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to read that on Christmas day there was some kind of hint of hope that they were
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going to receive a call from their missing daughter right and of course we know that that day came and went without
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any communication from Elise to her family at all well my frustration with this is the idea that the family is
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saying that we think our daughter has passed on now there's no evidence of that but I also wonder if this is a
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tactic by law enforcement to go hey there's no evidence that there's foul play we're going to assume there's no
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foul play and that causes them to do less work in general or they believe some of the sightings that are coming in
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right the the the troubling thing though is look her Alisa's parents publicly state that they believe someone the
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caller the boy on the phone lured her out of the home that night and that the caller then is very likely the one
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responsible for why she never came home after that right and so they were very public about this I mean hell we spent
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all of last week discussing a case where someone called the home of a youngster and lured her out of that home and into
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a a location where he could abduct her the tricky thing here is your your most hope is probably coming at Christmas
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time even though she's already been missing for a few months we know that that call the call that they were hoping
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for did not come in and that is when really I feel that the Panic truly set in in this case in big time for the
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family because it's been months since anyone has last seen and now her and now the hope is drying up her grandmother
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makes that very public plea on the news and in the newspapers in January of 1996
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and we heard a portion of that letter in the trailer now I can't say for certain
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which Theory the grandmother was going with because I'm sure she was on board with the family but in that same letter
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she praised the sheriff's department for all of their hard work and maybe she believed some of the unconfirmed
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sightings out there as well yeah or possibly the rumor that she was going to call and then once the call didn't
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happen she thought okay well if she's out there I'm going to put the statement out there if she's out there she will
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make contact yeah and we didn't read the entire letter written to her missing granddaughter but but from top to bottom
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it's a plea for a lease to call or to come home right so other than these unconfirmed sightings and the rumors
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there was really not a whole lot going on with this investigation unfortunately there were in in fact no real leads in
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this thing giving law enfor enforcement almost nothing to work with but this was
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a pretty safe area fairly and you'll hear the people and read the people in the area talking
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about that area kind of changing during the 9s there was a bad element to the area let's say right but almost when you
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thought nothing was going to happen with this investigation that nothing was going to happen in the search for this
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young woman something strange happened this is on March 14th 1996 so after 15-year-old Elise paer had
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gone missing vanished into the night was missing for months a young man with dark brown hair flowing
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halfway down his back he he's a thin young man 5' 10 in frame he walks into the sheriff's department and he has an
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almost unbelievable story to tell this is 17-year-old Rey Casey Rey said a couple of his friends
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knew the missing girl then Roy explained that he and those friends murdered Elise
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paer now uncertain if the boy was telling the truth the detectives asked him if he
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knew where the girl's body was located he said he did they asked if he could take them to her he said he could and he
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did Royce Casey LED detectives to a rural area just a little more than a quarter of a mile from where Elise had
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lived there sure enough just as the boy had said they found a badly decomposed body
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more True Crime garage we have a show that is on Stitcher premium called off the record you can find that by going to
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started the show in a seven and a half he was seven and a half and drinking beer in the garage he had a very high
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pitch voice shameful sounds like Nick's voice now all right captain now it would take
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a few days but it would be on Monday March 19th 1996 that publicly identification of the body is announced
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to the public and they do state that this was the missing girl we have found 15-year-old Elise
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PA Law Enforcement during this time while they're working to make that identification one they already believe
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that it is her because they have this teenager who has the story to tell that that me and some friends friends killed
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this teenage girl so they are in communication with Alisa's family and even before the identification was
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announced publicly her father was in the paper stating they found aise our fears
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were confirmed right um but he also says too that there are going to be some details in this case that comes out and
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when you hear them you won't believe them so he's getting detailed information from law enforcement before
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that it's put out publicly he knows that once they get to an arraignment when they have their first day in court to to
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officially charge anyone with any type of crime there will be some kind of details that come out that day and that
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the public is going to be shocked at what they hear so he's aware of some of the confession right let's call it that
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right some of my issue though is she's found within a quarter mile of her house mhm you know that it seems like they
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should have had some search parties or or something they should have found her body way before this yeah so after the
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identification is made the information that comes out now mind you at first the suspect or suspects will not be named
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publicly in fact the the boy that confessed he's not named publicly for a couple days as well but what we end up
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learning is that 15-year-old Elise PA's body was discovered about a quarter mile
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from her home she had been raped and murdered there left there 8 months earlier by acquaintances Jacob
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delmo Joseph fiorella and Royce Casey the perpetrators Apparently returned to the corpse and had sex with it on
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several occasions the body was located after Royce Casey confessed to the crime following his conversion to Christianity
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so Royce Casey who had become arange from his one-time friends Joseph and Jacob he approached law enforcement
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officials and admitt and admitted that he had helped kill the girl he led authorities to her decomposed corpse
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which they found SPL out in a South County Eucalyptus Grove so she wasn't far from home but
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she was well concealed the the confession is going to have to offer up more details than just that right so
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what we would learn is that Roy states that the group got together and smoked some
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marijuana after which we have delmo reportedly strangled Elise with his belt while Joseph fella stabbed her in the
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neck with a hunting knif knife and Casey Royce Casey held her hands and arms then Casey and delmo then took
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turns stabbing the girl right I believe she was stabbed 12 times you're exactly right the forensic pathologist who
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examined the body testified later in court that none of the 12 stab wounds were in fact fatal which indicated that
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Elise died by slowly bleeding to death right authorities said that the three had engaged in sexual intercourse with
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the girl's corpse investigators said Fiorella's mother told them her son said Roy and Casey had engaged in sex with
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the body and one of Jacob's friends testified that he he bragged about returning to the
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corpse often saying to have sex with it yeah I I actually didn't believe this at
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at first thinking you this is a very sick crime one to to kill anybody's a sick crime but to then come back to the
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corpse and have sex with it that and you know let's you're raping the corpse but to have three individuals do this
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that sounded unbelievable to me but the fact that then you were telling me well no it's be we know for a fact that they
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kept coming back to the corpse so that made it make more sense yeah and the thing here too is as you
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said this this is weird and weird to hear this I mean we know that when we covered Ted Bundy and and some other
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cases as well that even when Ted admitted to a lot of what he did he was not upfront about the acts of necrofilia
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that he was doing right and that's where you see a unique situation where these young men they
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they're bragging about probably the gross this most disturbing part of this whole situation right but these are
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three Disturbed individuals anyways Disturbed individuals and young individuals right you know they the
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three youths altogether apparently told at least two acquaintances of the murder
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itself but their Tales were dismissed as a fabrication that these people they heard what these boys had to say you
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know friends of theirs or so-called friends of theirs right and they're like yeah we didn't tell anybody because we
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just thought these idiots were lying right the story as said sounded unbelievable apparently though Paul's
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killing had been plotted once before and this is according to Royce Casey he tells law enforcement that not only did
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we kill her but we attempted to do so on a previous um occasion right he said that on on this one occasion Joseph
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fella and Jacob delmo had tried to carry out this plan to kill Elise par in this plot which
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ended up being similar to the one that that led to the girl's death Casey told investigators the trio enticed Paul from
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her home and got her to walk to a spot on the Mesa where there was a Steep Ravine and at this location one of the
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boys pretended to slip down the Ravine as a to try to get Elise Paul to walk down to the bottom of this Ravine right
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now apparently she didn't do what they needed her to do for this plot to be carried out but even so Joseph fella
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then pulls out a knife he tosses it to this is another individual that actually was not involved in the killing of Elise
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PA [Music] mhm but this knife that that Joseph Ella pulls out on this occasion ends up being
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the same one that would later be used in her murder right now the other teen remember he throws this knife to this
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other guy that other teen he kind of panics and he just stood there he didn't he didn't do anything and the other teen
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boys are shouting out do it do it you know they're trying to get him to initiate the attack on
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Elise he does not do it and Casey Royce Casey tells law enforcement this sounds weird that we're telling you the story
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of of you know another a failed attempt I guess right at her murder well then why would she leave the house and go out
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with you and he told law enforcement he goes she probably just thought we were goofing around right she didn't she
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wasn't aware we didn't State what we intended to do that day she didn't really believe that there was any threat
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there these are teenagers getting high and acting like goofballs and she probably just assumed that they were
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just idiots and they were goofing around well and these idiots were part of a band right the band was called hatred
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yeah which which gives you an idea of of what kind of music they were playing and probably at what um at what
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talent level they were probably playing this music yeah I think it's funny I heard a couple people uh one reporting
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on this say I think that's a good band name I think it's a shitty band name but but that's just my hatred we're called
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that it sounds like a very 10-year-old 12-year-old we're going to join the metal band what are you going to call it
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hatred well and what I couldn't figure out Captain what I was trying to find was how legit was this band right
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because when you're in high school everybody knows somebody that's always forming a band that never forms that
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doesn't ever practice they never practice they don't have any real music half of the people that are supposed to
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be of this band don't have any instruments or equipment but I guess based off the confession he he did say
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uh that during some rehearsals I believe or during some practices or again that could not be a practice it could just be
00:34:10
hanging out at somebody's house and one guy has a guitar there um cuz I've had you know back in my day I've had band
00:34:17
practices like that hey we're going to go over to jam and you show up and there's one guy with a guitar right um
00:34:25
but that's kind of where you know this obsession with her kind of began or how he heard about it
00:34:33
anyways yeah and the whole band thing is important to this case for several reasons look Joseph fella was 16 years
00:34:42
old Royce Casey was 18 and Jacob delmo was 17 the state wanted to try them as adults for their roles in The Killing
00:34:52
and for the acts that They carried out afterwards and the important thing here for the state is they need to present
00:35:01
this to the public and say look this is how Disturbed and this is how messed up these kids are they're they're super
00:35:09
violent we don't want them on the streets ever again because of what we know about this murder and these
00:35:16
crimes it's not safe for anybody for for any of these three to be walking around
00:35:22
out in society yeah I mean this is a premeditated murder again this is a this is a torturous murder then then the
00:35:32
torture to the corpse afterwards I mean this is beyond heinous so the state puts
00:35:39
forward to the public some of the details about the crimes stating that the defendants said that they needed to
00:35:47
commit a sacrifice to the devil to give their heavy metal band hatred the craziness to go professional apparently
00:35:57
part of their part of the The Plea here will be a full confession where you're going to hear in my opinion what would
00:36:08
be several motives for this murder and one of it being that they wanted to sacrifice a virgin to the devil to make
00:36:16
their band play better to make them get a contract to make them be a a big band and one of the bands that they idolized
00:36:25
was the band Slayer right and anybody that's familiar with their music you know what you're getting into and I
00:36:32
don't want to this is not going to turn into an old man rant here because as the
00:36:36
captain will will vouch for me on I I grew up a big fan of what you a lot of metal bands lot what you would call it
00:36:45
death metal um I was never into Slayer but umig four though right Metallica I mean I don't want I don't want to
00:36:54
disrespect anybody I never consider considered them one of the big four I almost feel like because of the tragedy
00:37:01
with panta that that Slayer may have got elevated right to the big four also when
00:37:08
you're putting together that tour you got to line up whoever's willing to go and by default somebody may become part
00:37:17
of the big four I don't think anybody would argue that the other three are the big three right so well and look if you
00:37:25
offer $ times that I get to see panta or Slayer 10 out of 10 times I'm going to go see pan oh 100% unfortunately another
00:37:36
detail to the confession was that Elise PA cried out for her mother when she was
00:37:42
attacked and she was on the ground praying to God and calling for her mom and these Savages just continued to
00:37:49
attack her anyway yeah and I think this is some of it is you know the the crossroads story or Robert
00:38:02
Johnson goes to the crossroad meets the devil signs his soul away and and supposedly these guys were talking in in
00:38:09
chat rooms about this and these I guess they were like satanic or occult chat rooms and the people of the chat rooms
00:38:19
were saying well look if you if you sacrific somebody then you could have these Powers so you have that going on plus
00:38:29
they're they're in a shitty band and they're shitty musicians and they're shitty people all around as pieces of
00:38:36
[ __ ] well and you know what was weird too was I couldn't find anybody that said that they had ever seen the band
00:38:42
play anywhere like there were some other teenagers that seem to be aware of this
00:38:47
band right probably just hearing these boys talk about it and boast about it we we already know that when it comes to
00:38:54
murder and other sick acts that these three certainly had no filter they were too young and too dumb to not keep quiet
00:39:02
about what they had done right um so with the with the band thing who knows if it was even the real deal or
00:39:10
not but we do know that that was what the claims were that the public claims were that they wanted to sacrifice a
00:39:17
virgin to earn them a ticket to hell and to become this big band now the representation for one of these boys
00:39:26
would state that a lot of this a lot of these allegations were grossly overstated and some of them were flatly
00:39:35
without any factual support stating these allegations are intended to inflame public
00:39:41
opinion again we need these three guys to be tried as adults and fortunately that's what takes place all three of
00:39:49
these 16 17y old 18yar old they're going to be tried as adults for their roles in
00:39:55
The Killing and eventually all three of them would plead no contest to her murder right and this was this was not
00:40:04
an easy or short Court proceedings but what it led to was a plea of no contest to her murder and all three of them are
00:40:13
imprisoned and serving 26 years to life for each one of these so hopefully none of these three get out of prison but
00:40:23
there is that option that could happen I I'm not clear though so we get the one guy that confesses yeah what was his
00:40:32
name again sorry um Royce Casey yeah he's the main guy in this case he comes forward he confesses but it seems like
00:40:41
the other two then confess I just want to be clear about that did they end up confessing as well it I mean it appears
00:40:50
that way right it appears that way but what we do know is that they pled no contest right so they're not going going
00:40:56
to fight the charges basically and Royce Casey he comes forward because he converted to
00:41:03
Christianity he he saw the light found God so he's hanging out with these numb nuts right and they're doing stuff
00:41:11
satanic stuff occultist stuff and then they're they're listening to the this death metal music and then they
00:41:19
decide and one of the members has this obsession with her and so therefore we're going to to lure her out of her
00:41:28
home at night and we're going to kill her have sex with the body and then one of them at some
00:41:37
point I I I don't think it's as simple as that he just found Christianity I also think he was convinced that the
00:41:44
other two were going to kill again and possibly kill him so I don't think it's as simple as look I found God and look
00:41:52
at me I I'm the righteous one I'm the one confessing I think part of this was to save his own ass it could be I mean I
00:41:59
can't say what's going on in the the mind of Royce Casey but what has been reported is that he he found God and he
00:42:06
wanted to own up to what he was a part of um he now we might just be getting his version of the events but as you
00:42:16
stated they they pled no contest we would get public statements from the other two eventually that would make it
00:42:22
sound as though they've confessed on some level uhhuh Alisa's parents David and Lisa Anne pauler they would later
00:42:32
claim that the Slayer songs postmortem and dead skin mask from the albums rain and blood and seasons in the abyss gave
00:42:41
the three Killer's detailed instructions to stalk rape torture and commit acts of
00:42:49
necrofilia right so this is a lawsuit that is filed and technically it was filed twice now both times the lawsuit
00:42:57
was thrown out Jacob delmu himself stated in a Washington Post interview quote the music is destructive but
00:43:07
that's not why elely was murdered she was murdered because Joe fella was obsessed with her and obsessed with
00:43:14
killing her right we do know that David pauler stated to the newspaper shortly after the arrest of the three young men
00:43:23
that he believed that his daughter was being stalked by these three boys they were in fact acquaintances and what
00:43:32
little he knew about these boys he could say at one time Elise rode the same school bus as two of the three now we
00:43:42
have a situation where these three boys are they're living a different life than
00:43:49
what Elise was and we do know that she might have been running around with the wrong crowd at that time just being 15
00:43:56
years old but one of these boys in fact attended a different school was was a member at a private school right the
00:44:04
other two boys rode the same bus as Elise and it was these two boys that her father David believed were stalking her
00:44:13
they were um maybe obsessed with her we don't know what level of friendship or relationship that they had but the two
00:44:22
boys that rode the school bus with her at one point they were certainly in and out of trouble leading up to this at the
00:44:29
time of her murder neither of those boys were still attending that same school because they got in so much trouble that
00:44:35
they were told they had to leave right one of them I believe was already enrolled in another school somewhat in
00:44:42
the area and then the other boy was attending home school well on top of just playing in the ban and being kicked
00:44:52
out of school these kids had some drug use as as well correct correct they were selling drugs and I don't know what
00:45:01
drugs they were pushing but we do know at the very least that they used marijuana to lure her out of her home
00:45:08
that night to go and hanging opioides and or no not opioids uh amphetamines well and that's where I referenced the
00:45:18
bad element in the area there were several people that after this confession and after these men were put
00:45:24
away that stated hey you know marijuana is one thing but we were seeing opioids amphetamines we were seeing uh crack and
00:45:35
crystal meth right being introduced to the area and and people a lot of people partaking in those
00:45:42
activities and I understand why the parents sued Slayer or why they tried to sue Slayer M because especially this
00:45:51
story it seems like all all the individuals were saying well we all listen Slayer and and that might be a
00:45:58
part of the equation you get these idiot kids ones obsessed with this girl they're going into these chat rooms I
00:46:08
think on some level maybe these chat rooms are a little more responsible you know than than a Slayer
00:46:16
record would be mhm but also believe in freedom of speech and I also believe in capitalism and and if you have a band
00:46:25
singing songs about shitty things that you know you want if people don't listen to it it eventually goes away so so I do
00:46:34
think that's on um you know their parents on some level um you know and you're always going to have that
00:46:42
argument while these people are playing video games and those games caused them to kill no I think deep down you're a
00:46:50
piece of [ __ ] and that's what caused you to do what you did not not because you
00:46:54
listen to a Slayer record yeah I'm I'm fully on board with the the lawsuit itself on both occasions because
00:47:03
what I'm going to attempt to understand here is that when my daughter is taken and killed and
00:47:11
murdered I I will attempt to understand just being angry at everybody and wanting to hold everybody responsible
00:47:19
I'm fully on board with that the other thing too is that this is n something that the investigators just made up oh
00:47:28
these boys were listening to Slayer and they and they killed this girl this isn't something that they made up this
00:47:34
was part of the confession and so therefore I get that and I understand that from the parents
00:47:40
perspective I would be upset with everyone as well and wanting to hold as many people accountable as possible as
00:47:47
well given the situation yeah but it's but it's as you said it's you can't you can't hold a band like Slayer or or some
00:47:56
other band accountable for this because it's just not it's just not fair and it doesn't work for societ I mean what are
00:48:03
you going to do take every movie video game book everything out there that maybe
00:48:10
ever molded these boys into who they turned out to be and and make them pay grievances it just it doesn't work I I
00:48:20
get it but um and I I don't fault the parents for pursuing those Avenues but I also so fully understand why it was
00:48:27
thrown out yeah and I also wonder if some of this stuff was blown up this is towards the end of the 80s to got some
00:48:34
satanic Panic stuff going on and I wonder if some of these like we were talking about before if you know these
00:48:41
dky dudes are sitting there going well yeah we're in this metal band called hatred and yeah we're like really
00:48:46
influenced by Slayer if a comment like that is just kind of blown up even more and I know
00:48:53
there's more comments than just that but I think some of this stuff is kind of blown up but but I think those chat
00:49:01
rooms I really think like if if those accounts are true and they're in these chat rooms and you have these adults in
00:49:08
these chat rooms saying well yeah if you know if you want to get these powers and
00:49:12
you want to um get signed to a major label if you want to uh sell your soul to the devil what you need to do is
00:49:19
sacrifice somebody and and I think the combination of that and these kids on and fetamines and all these other mind
00:49:28
altering drugs that we we know look again there's a lot of people that are like there's nothing wrong with
00:49:36
booze I mean our show we talk about booze there's not nothing wrong with weed a lot of these things are not
00:49:42
suitable for growing Minds right and and they shouldn't be they shouldn't be partak in until you know early 20s or
00:49:54
whatever so so I'm sure there's some science on that I'm I'm not a science I'm a scientist I'm just a captain of a
00:50:02
lonely ship no but I think it's the combination of that but if you have these idiot [ __ ] in chat rooms going
00:50:11
oh yeah you should sacrifice somebody that would get you signed um I don't know if you'd ever be
00:50:17
able to find those individuals but but those individuals are pieces of [ __ ] yeah uh at least PA's story was the
00:50:27
basis for part of the storyline in the 2009 film Jennifer's Body which starred Megan Fox I've not seen the movie so I
00:50:37
don't I can't can't back that up right but that is what is often reported in this the you know these situations of
00:50:45
course they have lasting effects and and horrific effects on the loved ones and parents of a murdered teenager but there
00:50:54
was a story story that came out years after her death where Alisa's Father David was involved in a road rage
00:51:04
incident and he cited that he has PTSD from living through this situation and claim that he has difficulty managing
00:51:16
stress difficulty managing his anger levels and actions at times because of how much he he suffered and was hurt by
00:51:25
this whole tragic U story well no and that's the thing that I think a lot of people wrestle with if if this was my
00:51:35
sister what would I what would I have done if I heard rumors about these three individuals stabbing her 12 times
00:51:46
letting her bleed out then going back and and messing with the body like I mean this this is a gruesome
00:52:00
crime uh that's not to take away you know from other crimes but it's like there's it's like if you're confronted
00:52:09
with that individual would you take their life and so you have this father I think in a lot of these cases
00:52:20
fathers mothers brothers sisters family members that feel like they didn't do anything wrong but they
00:52:28
didn't do anything right if that makes sense like there's probably nothing that her parents could
00:52:36
have done differently that day like these kids called her and somehow they got her out of the house and there's
00:52:44
probably nothing that they could have said before she went to bed to change that but there's not a day that probably
00:52:51
goes by in his brain that he doesn't think well what if I hugged dirt good night maybe she would have left the
00:52:57
house maybe if I would have done this that that I could have stopped this on some level and yeah you'd be I'd think
00:53:05
it' be almost impossible to let go of that anger and another strange twist in this story here Captain we have Anthony
00:53:14
fiorella the brother of Joseph fiorella he killed a teenager as well this took place in
00:53:22
1998 when he shot and killed a teenager by the name of Garrett Hunter and this was over a drug dispute he was there to
00:53:31
sell some drugs and it this was a drug deal gone bad gone wrong and Anthony fella killed this other young man now in
00:53:42
regards to the three individuals that murdered their daughter Elise Paul the Paul family stated we want these
00:53:50
predatory monsters to stay in prison for the rest of their lives and we couldn't
00:53:55
agree more all right happy Halloween and cheers mates thanks so much for joining
00:54:11
us this week in the garage yeah everybody make sure you have a safe and happy Halloween want to throw out a
00:54:18
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00:54:25
untold story of the DC sniper investigation last week audible presented this and it came out on
00:54:31
Thursday and I downloaded it and I cannot quit listening to it I would not call this an audio book this is more of
00:54:38
a presentation so check out call me God and we will have that title listed for you on our recommended page at true Crim
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00:54:50
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