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[Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] so I got this email last week captain
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and I think this was on must have been Friday I'm guessing maybe Thursday anyway this from a guy named Scott in
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somewhere in Indiana so he and his friends saw that this guy was arrested in Indiana and they thought hey maybe
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this is the captain the bridge guy from the deli double homicide yeah and we covered that case back in episode 110
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111 this was like late May 2017 when we covered it it was shortly after the actual murder because the the poor girls
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they were were killed either most likely on February 13th and then their bodies were found on the 14th of 2017 and Deli
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Indiana and so the way that this works and what I was able to find on this guy online uh from a newspaper report and
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I'll just kind of read bits and pieces of it and and you kind of just throw out your reaction or any thoughts that you
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have as we go along but they're saying that this this guy's 30 5 years old he's from a place called Dy Indiana and that
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he had the authorities alleged that he had attempted to purchase underage girls last year through social media some sort
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of social media account okay okay so do we know if it was like was it a sting operation was it like to catch a
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predator style where it's um no I think somebody just reported like saw this guy's activity and things that he was
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doing on I think it was well it was Twitter so it's not like it's on Twitter okay it's not like real people aren't
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seeing this you know what I mean like he's kind of openly doing this so somebody reports him to the
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authorities well that's weird that he because the way Twitter works is you can actually send a tweet out to the public
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or you could just send a direct message to somebody mhm and so you would you would assume that one would if they were
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going to proposition to buy somebody that they would do so through the direct message well okay well I'll tell you
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what he wrote on Twitter and we'll just kind of take it from there this guy's name is George Ambrose and I hope that
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I'm saying that last the last name is am b r o z and he was charged just last Thursday so this would have been Friday
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when I got this information he was charged last Thursday in Lake criminal court with child solicitation possession
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of child pornography and obscene performance uh so his his tweet um this is one of them and this
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was dated from July 24th 2017 his tweet read if I give you 300K cash will you sell me your
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seven-year-old daughter contact me if so so do we know if this is a direct message or if it's just going out to the
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world it it doesn't say but that the way that that's written it sounds to me like
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it's too somebody specifically direct message yeah because he's referencing like your you know but then again he he
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is saying contact contact me right like it's kind of open-ended I guess so maybe
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I don't know I don't know if this is to everybody or to to somebody specific but
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then there were other sexually explicit messages on his Twitter account regarding underage girls as well one
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message stating quote I have sexually assaulted someone much younger than me uh and this guy so I don't know what
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much younger than me means according to him but uh George is George Ambrose is 35 years old um from Dire Indiana right
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so George has a lot of issues um yeah I think that's putting it extremely politely on July 10th he allegedly wrote
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quote I work for the railroad butcher and welder therefore I have the right to be angry drunken drugged violent temper
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and a rapist I have the right to rape just because I work for the railroad which I didn't know that that is a
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privilege that is afforded to you through the I know a lot of fine people that work for the railroad and they do
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not have a license to rape so does you know to for a lack of better term does it does it just seem like this guy's
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crazy and like lost it and he's kind of just sending crazy messages out to everyone
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well I normally I like to joke but I I I don't find anything about this you know wanting to buy children
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and I don't find that funny at all you know and it's um and it's sick so I mean so when I
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said he's sick I didn't mean like or disturbed I didn't mean like you know obviously he's a [ __ ] idiot but you
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know what I mean it was like there's something you know there's something wrong with this guy if he's posting this
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stuff and and if any of it's going out to the public that's even crazier you know I
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mean like it's almost like you know if you're keeping your craziness a little bit behind the closed
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doors then it's not as crazy as than po you know posting this stuff to the rest of the world I I work for the railroad
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company so I have the right to rape and kill and you're like what the wow is this guy insane I mean I I would
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wonder well he says he he has the right the right to rape he doesn't say anything about killing but and and I'm
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not saying that I think you know I don't my suspicions weren't initially that this guy was trying to be funny and he's
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just an idiot no no no my initial reaction was this guy is probably completely insane and yeah he might be
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mentally ill and he's sending these tweets out to people that are of of an evil crazy nature yeah and that I
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thought okay well do we have a situation here where we have a guy that's not actually guilty of anything other than
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these post right so then I read on further well but hold on I mean that's enough you know trying to
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solicit um a minor online or trying to buy a child off somebody hey that's enough for me you lock that son of a
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[ __ ] up well of course but what I'm saying is this information was passed on to me as a hey this is a potential
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suspect for the deli double homicide what I'm saying is my initial reaction is is this guy actually guilty of
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anything other than these these posts right right okay so which within just these post of course you're going to
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have um obscene performance you know he's being charged with child solicitation possession of child
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pornography and obscene performance just with these tweets you know he's guilty of child solicitation and obscene
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performance regardless of the obscene performance I'm guessing he's like showing his genitalia or or touching
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himself I don't know I it could be but what I'm guessing somebody just by saying hey I am a rapist and I have the
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right to rape is is enough of a obscene performance given given that it might be a platform
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you know that he putting this out there to people that don't want to hear this obviously but the the thing here is
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where we get the child pornography charge is police visit they went to his home on July 10th and they question him
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about these obscene messages and he allegedly admitted that he wrote the messages but he asked why they were a
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problem so Ambrose then was arrested and he was charged with that child solicitation police allege Ambrose
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posted a photo July 2nd to Twitter of an underage girl engaging in sexual acts so
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this is where we're going to see the um child pornography charge coming from right so apparently he's been jailed uh
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the bond for him $70,000 he made he was scheduled to make an initial Court appearance on Friday I
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did a little double checking it sounds like he's due back in court in September the other thing here
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is it's it's a bit weird because you would expect whoever carried out this Deli double homicide to be a likely that
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they have molested children or engaged in some of the activity here that we that they alleg George Ambrose has
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engaged in right the other thing though it's weird cuz he where where our friends listening in Indiana that sent
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us this information they say they think he looks like the bridge guy I actually the the one picture I've seen of him I
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don't think that he looks like the bridge guy but I also this is kind of a weird statement I don't think that he
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looks like the bridge guy but I also don't think that he does not look like the bridge guy do you know what I mean
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by that no so it's Ambrose a m BR r o Z so the picture I see of him he has he has that little beard that's similar to
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um the bridge guy and for those that aren't familiar with the case the bridge guy is the person that's suspected in
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this killing because one of the victims the victims were Liberty Germain and uh I'm sorry Liberty German and Abby
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Williams 13 and 14 years old one of the girls was extremely Brave and took took audio and a picture or maybe even video
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of the guy that was approaching that approached them and right and the tough thing here is you know we don't know
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what the police have and what they don't have but the way that the police have kind of presented this is the guy that
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you see on the tracks following them is the guy that murdered them so one can assume that maybe they have more uh
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maybe a parts of uh parts of the attack on video mhm but that's all we can that's just pure speculation well and we
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call him Bridge guy because the photo that they release to the public shows this man on the bridge he's walking
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across a bridge and it's strange it's so weird that this thing is not solved and
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I know we talked about that quite a bit when we covered the case that here they have the the the guy's voice on tape
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they have audio of the guy's voice and then they have a picture the guy now mind you the picture that we that have
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been released to the public it's of some distance you know it's not like a close-up picture of this guy but it's of
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some distance and it's weird that there has not been you know there's been a lot
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of arrest because of this case but none of them for the actual murder well and look the I I think I stated this at our
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live event um I was talking with an individual U that worked closely with the FBI or or
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possibly worked for the FBI that said based off the leads that they got that there was over 200 arrests
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made that basically a lead through Facebook or a lead from hey I actually know this kind of creepy guy that lives
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in the area they found out that that creepy guy is a is a a sex offender but not registered the FBI went in swooped
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up all those individuals then the question becomes does law enforcement have DNA or not right well and we went
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through all those questions because we covered this case um two months after it took place and we went through I'm sorry
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three months after it took place but we went through all the questions we had because rightfully so there's not been a
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lot released to the public other than the picture of this man on the bridge and then the voice this man's voice of
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him saying down the hill and so what was horrible about covering this case and I
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it's something I would not realize until many you know till till a lot later till a year later was we did
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at crime con at our last crime con con I went to one of the I went to the deli presentation I think they did more than
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one but I went to one of them and on the stage you had the the lead sheriff or lead investigating officer there you had
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um I believe the grandparents of one of the victims and then the mother of one of the
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victims and you also had a um I don't know if it was a spokesperson for the sheriff's department or if it was a
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somebody an agent from the FBI but it was somebody involved in in in this investigation one thing that I learned
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from watching that presentation remember that guy that crazy guy that was arrested in in in Colorado so there's
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this guy in Colorado Daniel Nations he somewhat looks like the bridge guy he looks a little younger than what
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I anticipate this bridge guy actually is I don't know Daniel nation's actual age
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but I'm going on I'm judging a book by its cover captain that I'm just going off of the the mug shot photo of him but
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when he was arrested he's arrested in in Colorado off of a hiking trail because he he like accosted these people and
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he's he's got he's y yielding a um uh Hatchet welding yeah yeah I don't know that I use the right word there but he's
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carrying a hatchet with him so he's extremely threatening and and he's almost looking like he's going to murder
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these people or at least attack them and he's arrested and then they find out hey
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he's from Indiana right and he was he Homeless was he somebody that was kind of just just not working and living out
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in the in the woods I think the biggest thing from him is when they at the time yeah I think he was just camping outside
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and then he tried to attack these individuals but when they arrested him what they found out was he had a warrant
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for his arrest uh or he was supposed to Face trial and just left Indiana left the state and I believe it was a couple
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weeks after the murders and so if you look at the here's my issue with it you have a a drawing uh artistic rendering
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of what we think the suspect looks like now again we have a picture from the FBI
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we have a picture from the e or from did I law enforcement and the FBI right of bridg man and he's on a bridge this
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walking path of the bridge and but we don't know what else they have so I don't know if they have a closer picture
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that that they took that picture and then did an artist rendering and then I then if they do I'd say well this artist
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rendering is the guy yeah but I don't know if they have that or not I have no clue what the FBI has so I don't know
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how close this artist depiction of the suspect is so when you see this guy Daniel Nations he looks kind of like him
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but this guy kind of looks like almost every body you compare them to like I've seen uh when this case was really hot
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and people talked about the deli murders case a lot well was all over TV and the
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reward for information was crazy high didn't get to be like $250,000 at one point maybe higher yeah
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and the the other fact was we covered this case when there was little to no information and the main reason why we
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covered that case was because there was a big effort in this area and in the you
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know in the Ohio area and the Indiana area to bring as much attention to this case because we have uh you know we have
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these pictures we have this footage this case is very solvable I probably got an
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email every other day from somebody snooping around Facebook doing armchair detectives that would send me a picture
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this guy lives somewhat in the area right and it kind of looks like the sketch okay well that that I don't know
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what that means to me again cuz I don't know this artist rendering I I don't know how close it is to the suspect or
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not I mean I it' be nice if if the FBI came out and said hey we have a a closer up image and from that image we drew the
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sketch but I've probably seen five or six suspects that people have sent me side by side comparisons from the sketch
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to the picture and I go yeah I can see that I can see this Daniel Nation guy looking like the sketch on some level
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but does that mean he looks like the guy in the picture well just like George Ambrose you know you look at him now the
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problem with his his picture um that's at least released to the public right now is it's cutting off his forehead
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it's C cutting off his double chin um you know he is his eyes are so close together it looks like they're having a
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arm wrestling match but he has this long longer hair where when you look at Daniel Nations after he's arrested he
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has pretty short hair pretty short hair for somebody that doesn't even have a residency and definitely in the sketch
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you can see that they put longer waver type hair not like not like not like shoulder length
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hair but longer hair that matches more of this George Ambrose picture than it does the Daniel nation's picture
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well the thing that I would that that I learned at from watching the deli presentation at crime con was law
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enforcement and the families were saying hey that arrest of Daniel Nations is it
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Nation or nations Nation I think okay that arrest of Daniel Nation they said was a huge setback for
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their investigation because this was an area that was still ryant on the public for tips
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and when the news of this guy being arrested broke and saying hey we're going to transport him back to Indiana
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well the public all kind of just assumed that hey they've arrested the right guy
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they got him it's solved they got him it's solved it's only a matter of time before he goes to court and they said
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that was a huge setback for them now the thing that was extremely depressing and deflating
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to me and and made me want to check myself it actually made me want to punch myself in the face but um made me want
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to punch you in the face too well you you should punch yourself in the face because the thing was when I spoke with
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uh one of the family members of the victim one of the victims um she told me she thanked us for getting the word out
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for keeping the story alive and to to give it another platform for a place for it to be discussed and hopefully you
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know she said confidently she she thinks they may have received some tips just because of us covering it but what what
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really broke my heart was I said oh so you listen to it and and which made me feel bad because I knew I know what was
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said during the course of those two episodes but those were things we had to discuss to discuss the case and a lot of
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it was speculation but it's not anything anybody wants to hear about anybody they
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know or loved and those were things that I had to say to tell the story and I hated myself when I was in front of her
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talking to her and she said I listened to part of the first episode and I couldn't play the second episode and it
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wasn't because she didn't listen to I was thankful at that moment I was like oh thank God she didn't listen to the
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whole thing because it would have been a lot to put herself through our speculation of the
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case and I asked her I said well what can we do going forward to help because this case is near and dear to us this is
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this is something that's on our hearts Weighing on our hearts and Weighing on our minds it's something that the whole
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Community needs to be solved and she simply said just keep doing what you're doing keep keep bringing up old cases
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and and reference our case from time to time and mention it again and if if you have the opportunity can you let the
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public know that that arrest and the assumptions made by the public regarding the arrest of Daniel Nation
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was a setback in their mind Nations Nations sorry I finally looked it up uh that that was a setback in their
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investigation now I didn't get any clear reasoning why because you you would assume that if if they keep saying that
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that's a setback then he doesn't he doesn't appear to be their guy right so uh the the law enforcement officer that
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was there I I kind of thought it was a bit of a vague answer because I I did asked
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I I said well how were you able to clear him how do you know that was he could you can can this man prove that he was
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not in the state of Indiana at the time had he left prior to these murders I think the answer he gave me and and I
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apologize because I'm just going off of memory here but I think he said well we don't have anything tying him to the
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murders we don't have him anything tying him to the area we cannot put Daniel Nation Daniel Nations sorry in that spot
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on that day and well that's a big debate online do they have DNA or do they not yeah that's what that was a big debate
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on our show too because one would say well we can't put him in the area Okay therefore there's no DNA right because
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there's because then you just say well the DNA match or it didn't match but then on the other side we've had so many
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hundreds and hundreds of thousands U of tips that have been brought to law enforcement over 200 arrests made 200
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people arrested and DNA samples taken from what I heard and then these individuals were cleared so then that
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makes me think that there was DNA right and that's the thing Captain when when I'm always the skeptic when the when the
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officer told me well we can't find anything to tie him to the area we can't put him there on that day right I'm
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always the skeptic and I go okay well I my brain's going can you put him elsewhere do you know that he was
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elsewhere are you just saying that we can't put him there but we don't know for certain and I think I'm with you I
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think I feel like if they were able to clear people that that rumor of DNA has to be true and I hope that it is because
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obviously at this point that might be the that's going to be the easiest way to catch this guy and to make sure that
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you have the right person but we still need and the Williams family and the German family they still need tips they
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still need the Public's help so I'll quickly remind everybody there is a uh phone number you can call with an
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anonymous tip I appreciate our good listeners in Indiana sending us this information so we could discuss it thank
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you for the email thank you for the information but also if you feel strongly about things we are not the
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people to call or email or contact First you know what I mean law enforcement are
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the ones that can get things done right and the other problem too is with social
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media with uh our schedules our work schedules with putting out the shows and covering new cases every week one of the
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last things on our list to check is um our emails through through the website right the anonymous tip number is 844
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459 5786 that's for anybody with any type of information at all and here's the thing
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if you are sitting on something on some kind of information and you think you might have something that that would be
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good for law enforcement you don't have to know everything about it sometimes it's just sending them in the right
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direction or or pointing them in the right direction and if there's something that you are suspicious of or you think
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could help break this case send it to them let them decide don't sit at home and wonder um should I who do I tell
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what do I do with this or do I do nothing am I it you know because I know what some people think they think well
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it's probably nothing it's most likely nothing and I this this will be embarrassing when it turns out to be
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nothing no yeah but you'll never hear about it if it turns out to be nothing and and the other thing too like I said
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when you have thousands of leads that were called in by armchair detectives you have over 200 arrests that were made
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now from the the rumors I heard and from the sources I've talked to that those over 200 arrests had a lot to do with
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unregistered sex offenders now if there's any individual that should be arrested and and getting off the streets
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because they didn't do what they're supposed to do is to me unregistered sex sex offender and this is protecting
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children and this is protecting communities right so you know but the other thing on the other side of the
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spectrum is when there are arrests made and people of the media speculate that there was arrest made whatever the case
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is Golden State killer case the the deli murders case a lot of times when people
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are sending me this stuff one I'm following it anyways I do appreciate it being shared to me because that's how I
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get the information but the other problem with it is jumping to conclusions that you know
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they made arrest so therefore it's solved and I've always one of the things that I reply constantly is let's just
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wait and see where it goes hope yes they got this guy arrested hopefully there's
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a confession hope hopefully he just confesses and and we get done with it you know but let's see where it goes
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because in this case there was arrest um I talked with hundreds of people people
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about this arrest talked to hundreds of people for weeks on people telling me it's so great it's
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solved and I kept on saying let's see this Daniel Nations and then it comes out of nowhere months and months later
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oh he's not the guy and that took me like digging to find somebody to say to to kind of get a definitive and it
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wasn't even that definitive it was just basically well we we don't think he's our guy well okay well that's months and
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months and months of people that could have been talking and how many hundreds of thousands of people now walk around
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going DUI murders I thought that was solved yeah and the thing is it's weird because I believe even to this day if
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you just like do a quick search of Deli murders update or deli case update I think the ones that kind of rise to the
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top there are the ones stating that Daniel Nations was arrested right and and like you said with the connection to
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the Mur and like you said you have to do some digging to find out that it it's looking like he's not the guy and that's
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why I think you know we're not trying to do the same thing here we're not trying
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to make the same blunder that was happened with the that happened with the Daniel Nations arrest with this George
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Ambrose Guy this is just some speculation from some of our good listeners out there that said hey this
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guy he's up to no good uh he's not terribly far from where this crime would have been committed I think they told me
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well if he dire is like a 2our drive maybe well and you know one of my buddies um Morgan that's been working on
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this case a lot actually like in his spare time he still he's still working on it following leads one of the things
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that he always kind of suspected was that the individual that was responsible for these murders worked for the
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railroads now he said I work for the railroad Butcher and welder so is he is he connected to the rail road
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um in some way uh and if he is I hope that they have DNA and they can lock this guy down and the thing is too
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Captain it's um you know we don't know we're not saying this guy's connected it's it's an interesting possible lead
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here and I think this was also with the arrest of this scumbag if he did do what
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they're saying he did he does not need to be on the streets he's he has no business being in anyone's Community he
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belongs Behind Bars and at the very least though this man's arrest gives us a good opportunity and
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excuse to keep the deli case alive and to remind people that it's unsolved and that everybody they still need your
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help [Applause] a