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[Music] the following is a BTK offender criminal profile this profile was written several years
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after btk's first set of murders it reads the attached analysis is only as good as the information that has been
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provided in addition it may be necessary to totally change or modify this analysis
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if new information is developed such as additional victims more forensic evidence or more information obtained
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from research multiple homicides Wichita Kansas the murders of the offender known to the
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public only as the BTK are the result of a fantasy acted out a fantasy where for the first time in
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his life he is in a position of dominance he is an inadequate type a nobody who through his crimes has placed
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himself in a position of importance the BTK Strangler is now a somebody who is receiving the recognition he feels is
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a long overdue he is not even very original in his crimes he has patterned himself after other
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Killers such as the Son of Sam in New York City most of the verbiage used by the
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offender in his letters probably comes out of recent Publications in detective magazines
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the subject is alienated lonely and withdrawn he would not be expected to have any
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lasting relationships with others and would lead a solitary existence dominated by fantasy magical thinking
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his killing is an attempt on his part to find affection and acceptance he fears everyone including himself
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he would not be expected to have had any normal relations with women and probably has never had a normal
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heterosexual relationship with one when he is not killing he experiences intense feelings that he is not normal
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and therefore he kills to cope with this disorder an attempt to escape within his
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own fantasies thus he can be expected to kill again and to do so in a compulsive repetition
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pattern that he has already established his victims can be either male or female
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who are both loved and outgoing his victims will be in a position of vulnerability where he can totally
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render them helpless his victims represent his own feeling of helplessness and hopelessness
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his own life has been disruptive he probably comes from a background where his family was broken
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he was raised by an overbearing mother who was inconsistent in her discipline and his father was absent either because
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of marital Separation or death this would have occurred when he was a youth your subject may have been raised by
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foster parents your subject was an average student in the classroom however he was more Adept
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to disrupting the class by using profanity and pranks his language and statements make us
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believe that he has some military experience and or is a police buff he probably has had run-ins with the
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police in the past such as assault and or breaking and entering during these break-ins items taken will
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be items of insignificance these items would have been taken because of a fetish or to feed a strong
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urge to take an article of clothing or an item that he is fond of or the satisfaction of committing a crime that
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will leave little evidence to investigators BTK may have a history of voyeuristic
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activity and he may have an arrest record for these types of offenses he hunts his victims by selecting
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neighborhoods where he can peruse different houses without being detected furthermore his victims will live in an
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area where if need be he can have an easy Escape Route such as a neighborhood park where he can hide to elude police
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his killings are impulsively motivated and without elaborate planning he seeks out targets of opportunity
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such individuals of this type suffer from insomnia and thus find it difficult to Hold Steady employment
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control of himself and of his environment is essential to such a person although he is gaining in
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confidence he is still shy withdrawn and isolated as a counter-strategy technique your
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department must not make any statements concerning the Killer's mental condition
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do not allow the media to label him as some kind of psychotic killer if they have already done so your best
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strategy will be to align yourself with the Killer and not the psychiatric experts
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any press releases should clearly state that he is a killer who must be apprehended and that he is not a
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psychotic animal this approach May reduce the Killer's anxiety and reinforce his own guilt
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feelings this removing any psychiatric excuses for his ax and leaving him responsible
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for his murders extended periods between his murders may be for reasons when he was absent from
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the area either as a result of military service schooling incarceration or mental treatment
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it is not uncommon for subjects such as yours to frequent police Hangouts in an attempt to overhear officers discussing
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the case such offenders may be at the crime scene observing detectives investigating the
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case all of this allows the murderer to fulfill his ego and gain a feeling of superiority
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he may go so far as to telephonically contact your department and provide details specific to his crimes your
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advantage in this case is his very strong self-centered attitude will be his downfall
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he will provide information to a friend or an acquaintance at a local Tavern concerning information he knows about
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the case he may even pretend to be an officer working the case he may carry a fake
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badge on his person if so he may use this to gain entry into his victims homes BTK will continue to kill until he is
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caught or killed [Music] [Music] Dennis Rader born in March of 1945 and Pittsburgh Kansas and he would be the
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oldest of four children born to William and Dorothea Raider Dennis's father who went by Bill was a member of the U.S
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Marine Corps when he retired from the Marines he went to work for the Kansas gas and electricity in 1948. Dennis's
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mother Dorothea was a bookkeeper Dennis had three younger brothers Jeff Paul and Bill the family moved to
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Wichita Kansas when Dennis was young and it was there that he would spend most of
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his childhood the Raiders lived in a working-class neighborhood on North Seneca Street
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Dennis's childhood friends describe his father bill as strict but never cruel Bill's cousin Lee Raider commented that
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he could not remember a time when Bill Rader's family had done anything that might attract attention much less cross
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the law from all accounts Dennis was a normal average child yeah and later in life he would describe his father as
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distant and his mother well she was the disciplinarian now Dennis tried to be the good kid he was a member of the Boy
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Scouts and participated in church youth group activities Dennis attended Riverview Elementary School and his
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teachers later stated that Dennis was an average student although some other reports indicate that he got poor grades
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kids who grew up with him say that Dennis loved Dime Store novels and comic books and like most kids he played cops
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and robbers until it was dark as he got older people who knew him from his school days report that Dennis
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exhibited withdrawn Tendencies he was described to be a quiet and polite young man who preferred to keep to himself
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he was also described to be a person that would think before he spoke he would always listen very carefully when
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spoken to and would give you his full attention what one of Dennis's former friends describe him as utterly lacking
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in a sense of humor but tending to be focused in the eighth grade the colonel in the eighth grade Dennis was chosen to
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be a crossing guard he carried a big red stop sign and told classmates and drivers when to go and when not to go
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but otherwise Dennis appeared outwardly unremarkable and Blended seamlessly into
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the background in 1963 Dennis graduated from Wichita Heights High School he got a job working at a grocery store but in
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1965 he decided to move away from Wichita to go to Kansas Wesleyan College Dennis joined a fraternity but he was a
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poor student and he soon returned to Wichita and enrolled in a community college
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by the summer of 1966 at age 21 Dennis had decided to join the U.S Air Force he did his basic training and Technical
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Training in Texas yeah I believe he spent four years in the Air Force yes and he would achieve the rank of
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Sergeant at 26 years old Dennis returned to Wichita in 1970 and in May of 71 he married 23 year old Paula Dietz a
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bookkeeper Paul had also grown up in Wichita and had gone to the same high school as Dennis they settled in the
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Park City area just north of Wichita not far from the home in North Wichita where
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Dennis had grown up and didn't Dennis Rader work in the meat department yeah he did this at the IGA Superstore while
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attending Butler County Community College there he earned an associate degree in
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electronics in 1973 but in 1972 Dennis actually left the IGA Superstore to go work for wichita's largest employer at
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the time this is the Coleman company a manufacturer of camping supplies yeah that make the grills yeah amongst a
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bazillion other things he worked on an assembly line there building heating and cooling units Dennis left Coleman in
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1973 to go work for Cessna a manufacturer of small aircrafts but by late 1973 he was let go and in 1973
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Dennis started taking classes at Wichita State University taking criminal justice
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classes do we know why he was let go or was it just like a situation where they laid off a bunch of people uh I I
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honestly I don't know um he had a he had a background in electronics and that's what he was in
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the Air Force for so I'm a little surprised that he would be let go I don't know if there were major Cuts
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right back then or if if he just couldn't hack the work you got to keep in mind Dennis Rader while he will
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present himself throughout the course of his life as being above average intelligence trying to be superior to
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the rest of us he is very much a a very average guy in his intellect so by the end of 1973 Dennis Rader he's married
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he's unemployed but he's taken some college classes but Dennis is also hiding a secret
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so all of these mundane details paint the picture of a completely normal even somewhat dull life
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but by his own admission Dennis developed fantasies about bondage control and torture from a very early
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age while still in grade school in fact when his mother would spank him remember
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he said that she was the disciplinarian when his mother would spank him Dennis would later say that he felt a mixture
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of pain and pleasure once he reached puberty Dennis dreamed of tying up girls and having his way with them Dennis has
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admitted to torturing and killing cats and dogs when he was young by hanging them in Barns
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he also had a fetish for women's underwear he realized that he realized that he could kind of keep
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his fantasies and of torture and murder a secret from everyone else and and one way that I think that he helped himself
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kind of keep these things quiet to kind of quiet the Beast if you will was by stealing underwear from undergarments
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from women and from girls in the area I had Walker he'd put him in his pocket and walk around and sniff him no no but
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uh no one in his life ever imagined that this average unremarkable boy was leading a depraved inner life that would
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become dramatically more pronounced when he reached adulthood now according to the journals that Dennis kept from his
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time at Kansas Wesleyan State and Salina in 1965. it was during this period that
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he first started trolling for victims to act out his fantasies although it appears that he did not have any success
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in actually carrying anything out at that time his journals also indicate that it was around this time that Dennis
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was able to successfully break and enter into homes and buildings stealing small
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items of interest to him he found this sort of activity exhilarating Dennis further admitted that while in
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the Air Force he would peep at women undressing he would stalk women and he would burglarize their houses to steal
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their underwear while he was in the Air Force he began to spend time with local sex workers he was trying to get them to
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play along with his fantasies his bondage Obsession but he was unsuccessful at getting any of them to
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play along with this he would later say that he thought that they feared that he
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was going to take it too far right I mean this guy that you don't know is paying you for sex and then he's
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probably saying um I'll pay a little bit extra if you let me tie up they're probably going yeah I'm not not
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gonna let that happen and that's an interesting thought because I tell you what something that we will learn about
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Dennis as we go through his life and his crimes um I'm of the suspicion that maybe he
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wasn't paying them for sex I don't know that he had the confidence to have sex with a professional
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um being so he was just hanging out with them I no I bet you he was paying them to spend time with them but I don't I
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think that he lacked the confidence to actually have sex with them foreign we're back cheers me ladies cheers
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Captain Tuesday January 15 1974 in Wichita Kansas as expected this was a cold day and like most other days
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15 year old Charlie Otero counted down until the final school bell rang three o'clock Charlie collected his things and
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he made his way outside Charlie was 15 years old and in the 10th grade it was his duty as the oldest child to gather
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up his brother and sister and lead the charge home back to their little white house with black shutters on North
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Edgemoor Street the family had only been in town for a little more than 10 weeks
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they were still figuring out the logistics of their new life together in Wichita they still had boxes of
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household items that were to be unpacked Charlie's brother Danny was just a tad younger at 14 years of age and their
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sister Carmen June she was 13. now their home was not terribly far from their school so it was a short walk on a cold
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day when they arrived at the little house the door was locked as usual and the family dog lucky was out in the
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fenced-in backyard pacing near the gate Charlie used his key to unlock the door when they entered the home they noticed
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the kitchen had been left in a strange manner it was incredibly hot inside the house
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Charlie expected to see his father Joseph their father Joseph was a hard-working man but he had practically
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been confined to the home after a recent car accident in the kitchen open food containers were
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sitting on the countertops and it looked like someone was making a sandwich Charlie called for his father several
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times but got no answer the three kids walked the house looking for their mom dad little brother and
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sister anyone who may be home Charlie opened the door to the master bedroom and walked into a horrific scene
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his mother lay dead on the bed his father lifeless on the floor Charlie called out to Danny and Carmen
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June both parents were bound at the feet and wrist one of the children grabbed a knife from
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the kitchen and the children cut bindings from their parents this was a hopeless effort as both had been dead
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for a couple of hours Charlie ran to the kitchen grabbed the phone receiver hanging on the wall and
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called zero for the operator Charlie listened but heard nothing as the phone was dead
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he would not be able to call police or medics he shouted for Danny and Carmen to join him as he ran to the neighbor's
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house they pounded on the door and luckily their neighbor was home they told him that they found their parents
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dead in their parents room and then they called the police while they waited for
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police to arrive the neighbor ventured to the Otoro home to see if he could help in any way he saw what the children
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had seen and he knew it was too late the first to arrive on the scene wore the Medics they arrived just five minutes
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after the call was placed when they arrived the three Otero teenage children were standing out front
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waiting for their arrival the children were begging for the Medics to go inside and help their parents but the EMTs
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explained that for now they would have to wait for police to arrive on the scene to clear the house and give them
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the okay to go in when The Neighbor man was describing to the First Responders what he had saw in
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the bedroom the Medics began to think that they might be at the scene of a murder-suicide that may be somehow in a
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fit of rage Joseph had killed his wife and then killed himself all right let's get into the
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investigation a little bit to to get a better understanding of what may have happened to these two people in that
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house that day while the children were at school well I just want to point out something that supposedly it's a murder
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of suicide but we have legs bound and arms bound right well that's where I think the confusion comes
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in so and what we will see happen here is the children when they found their parents the parents were bound at the
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the hands and feet right remember the children went to the to the kitchen they got a knife and they cut the bindings
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from their parents trying to revive them or save them or something so when The Neighbor goes in to see what had
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happened all he sees is Joseph the father dead on the floor the mother dead on the bed and there's a knife lying
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next to Joseph the father right right so he tells this to the Medics and the Medics are like crap this is a these
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these kids just walked in to the result of a murder suicide of their parents so inside the home captain in that master
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bedroom the two people that were found dead were Joseph Otero Jr who is 38 years old and his wife Julie aged 34.
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the oteros have five children three of which we have already introduced these are the three oldest children and again
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they were Charles who was 15 Danny who's 14 and Carmen who was 13. they had walked home from school and found their
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parents dead in the home the other two children attended a different school they were like their older brothers and
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sisters they walked to and from school as well but they were younger so they were in elementary school now Charlie
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the oldest of the children did not want his little sister Josephine who was only
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11 and his little brother Joseph age nine to see the swollen stiff bodies of their parents like he had so Charlie
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stayed on the scene to help in any way that he could but he sent Danny and Carmen off to intercept the younger
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children before they could make it all the way home around this same time a police officer
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had arrived this is Officer Bola he went into the home and made his way to the master bedroom he stepped into
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the room he saw the bodies of Joseph and Julie he touched their skin to gauge temperature both bodies were cold and
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stiff as rigor had set in they had both been dead for a few hours and Joseph's body would be lying on the floor on his
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back now next to Joseph was a plastic bag and a knife Julie was barefoot and her body was on the bed she had dried
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blood around her mouth and nose she had some bruising around her neck as well there was some type of cloth lying next
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to her now her feet were still Bound by white cord strips of cord lay next to each of the bodies someone had opened
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all of the drawers to the dresser and rummaged through them okay so I want to go over some information provided to the
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police by Charlie or the other children and we kind of got into this a little bit before but just to kind of clear it
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up so the knife next to Joseph's body was the knife from the kitchen that the children had used to cut the bindings
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from around his wrist right so not from the perpetrator so that also explains the cord lying next to Joseph the
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plastic bag had been on Joseph's head that was found next to him this was removed by the children as well the
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cloth that was lying next to Julie was actually a gag that her daughter had removed when they found her the cord
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lying next to her had been tied around her hands so they first thought maybe a murder suicide like we talked about but
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this because of what the neighbor had described however the neighbor had not realized that he was seeing it was an
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altered crime scene altered by the children trying to save their parents very Brave of them to for the children
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to try to save their parents yeah so now now the police know that both of the victims had actually been
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tied up and left that way when the children had found them then the officer made his way to another bedroom inside
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this room to his shock and surprise there was another body this was little Joseph
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he was found dead in his room lying on his side next to the bunk bed he and Danny shared that room him and his older
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brother in the room with him were a phone book and a chair with a broken leg the chair
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was from another room and had been moved into the boy's bedroom why the investigators did not know the
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boy had been tied around his ankles and the cord ran from his ankles up behind him and bound his hands together behind
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his back the boy's hands were swollen to about three times the size of their normal
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size the boy's face and head were covered with multiple items a T-shirt and two plastic bags all hooded the
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boy's head the officer then set off to search the remainder of the home could the killer or Killers have left
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something behind could there be some Trace as to who had committed these horrible murders
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after searching the main level officer Bola ventured to the basement the basement was dark and he could not find
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a light switch so he relied on the light of his flashlight once at the bottom of
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the stairs he moved the beam around to see what was in the room he spotted you know normal things items you would
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expect to find in a basement boots extra clothing old toys things like that he noticed an opening there was a there was
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another room down there so still not having found a light switch he walks slowly toward the doorway using
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his flashlight to guide his steps once in the room he first noticed that the room fell and appeared to be smaller
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than the room he had just been in this smaller room housed the family's washer and dryer their washing machine in their
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dryer right as officer Bola backed up and started to Pivot back around to the exit to the stairs right yeah his well
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his back and shoulder brushed up against something at this point something with some weight to it he swung his arm
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around to reach out to the object but when he hit it with his forearm it gave way and it moved now this terrified the
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officer and he started to back up you know shuffling his feet to maintain his balance as he pulled his other hand
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around to shine the light on the object that he had just touched that it just moved as he fell back and spotlighted
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the object he could feel the Color Run from his face as he realized that he was looking at the dead body of a young
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almost teenage girl her mouth was gagged her hands tied behind her back her head
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and shoulders slumped in a lifeless position a noose was around her neck and she was hanging just a foot or two of
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rope from a pipe that had run the length of the ceiling the body swayed from where he had bumped
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into it and hit it with his arm the officer had to yeah the officer had to announce to
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the other officers responding to the call that there were four bodies at 803 North
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Edgemoor Street it's a quadruple homicide after a little bit of time to confirm the detectives suspicions the officer
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told the three teenaged Otero kids that they had walked home from school together that their their parents and
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their young sister and brother had all been killed that day before they arrived police scoured the home and yard for
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Clues detectives and officers set out on foot to Canvas the area and interview Neighbors
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over the course of the evening they spoke with three separate individuals that provided them with a similar clue
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all three of these people had seen the otero's vehicle this is a Plymouth Station Wagon it was being driven by
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someone other than the oteros on that day one said that he had saw a short possibly Middle Eastern man driving the
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vehicle one said he saw some man but not Joe Otero driving and another said I don't know who was driving the vehicle
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but the vehicle backed out of the driveway so fast that this eyewitness had to slam on his brakes to avoid
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crashing into the car right so we got three very undetailed accounts yeah um I think I know I know it was a man
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right well the and the thing is I don't it's one of those situations where you don't know that you're seeing the
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otero's car being driven by somebody else you're just seeing a car that matches that description right and then
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later realizing some [ __ ] has happened some stuff has gone down now oh I saw a
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car that looked just like theirs but I didn't think it was theirs because it was a man that I didn't recognize right
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right driving the vehicle now later that night Captain they ended up finding the
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uh vehicle at Dylan's grocery store if somebody had left it in the parking lot at Dylan's grocery store
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an eyewitness later told police that they had seen a man Park the vehicle exit the vehicle and walk away the man
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was visibly nervous to the point that he was shaking and they're not the most detailed accounts but at least we do
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have eyewitnesses in this investigation yeah and they're all similar one man having been driving the family's vehicle
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yeah so for as for more details Captain so Joseph Otoro he served in the Air Force for 20 years and he had recently
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retired at the rank of Master Sergeant the oteras had been married for about 16 years Julie his wife had worked at the
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Coleman company Plant Joseph had once been a champion boxer now I don't know if this was while he
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was in the Air Force or a local thing when he grew up in New York but but he he was a boxer at one point in his life
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and Julie and the children studied and practiced Judo so the FBI would later tell investigators that the fact that we
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have four members of a family that were all trained Fighters attacked and killed
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in their home pointed to two possibilities either they were dealing with multiple offenders or in what they
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believed to be the most likely situation is that they were dealing with a single
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killer that was able to gain entry to the home and used a gun to control the four individuals the other issue here is
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like you said before the the husband the father he was basically housebound because of a car accident so you know he
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could have been in a lot of pain having difficulties moving and stuff so he might not have been able to fight well
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and I also think the reason the reason why they believed that we're working with a single offender here is because
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they firmly believe that this was a sexually motivated home invasion and murders and the murderer appeared to
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have a fascination with bondage strangulation and Suffocation and one particular FBI agent believed that the
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likelihood that more than one offender would share the same distinct sexual urges and murderous fantasies well he
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believed that to be very unlikely yeah and there's some evidence to support this yeah both female victims were found
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partially disrobed semen was found present on Josephine and on the floor of the basement
00:34:07
from the appearance of the kitchen now it looked like the killer or Killers gained access to the house and surprised
00:34:15
the Otero family while the children were preparing their school lunches before leaving for their school school day they
00:34:24
were there were food products out on the counters and table the girls winter gloves were discovered
00:34:30
just outside of the house and police had a theory on this that they were making their lunches and Joseph told the little
00:34:38
girl to take out the trash she goes outside and is grabbed up by the offender who then took her inside and
00:34:45
was able to gain control because he already had a hostage right so you he used her like a do what I say I'm gonna
00:34:52
shoot her yeah and also there was no sign of a struggle anywhere in the house no sign of breaking and entering right
00:35:00
and because this was a family of Fighters again we have the gun is the thought here to gain control the things
00:35:07
that the police found the most alarming was that nothing appeared to have been taken from the home so not a robbery
00:35:15
gone bad as most would think and and secondly the cords and bags and ropes used in the murders didn't come from
00:35:22
inside the home leading to the terrifying thought that the killer showed up prepared that he intended to
00:35:28
kill the family before he ever entered the home the police theorized about the chair with the broken leg as well the
00:35:36
chair was from another room this was told to them by the children right the police theorized that the killer after
00:35:42
using a gun to gain control of the family tied them up then he killed Joseph the father first to get rid of
00:35:49
the biggest threat to him then he molested and killed the mother the boy who who suffocated due to the
00:35:57
plastic bags the killer placed the chair in the room and their Theory this is just a kind of a wild speculation Theory
00:36:05
here but they wondered if maybe he had held the little girl that he sat with her in the chair forcing her to watch
00:36:13
her brother die and during this struggle maybe the leg to the chair had broke and after the three were dead then he
00:36:22
takes the girl to the basement because it was actually her they wondered if it was actually the little girl that he had
00:36:28
targeted that and that maybe he wanted to spend some time with her now he hung her with a rope over the top of a pipe
00:36:36
in the basement he met some sick [ __ ] man yeah he he masturbated either while she was being killed or just after I say
00:36:44
sick [ __ ] and then he just dropped that on us well then he collected everything
00:36:50
that he brought to the home with him he cranked up the thermostat and then left in the family's vehicle
00:36:58
now the two detectives that took the case I mean cranked up the thermostat I don't know how hot it was in the house
00:37:06
but but the children and police and Medics all describe the home to be extremely warm and they believed that
00:37:14
the offender cranked up the thermostat to maybe speed up the the decomposition process that maybe
00:37:22
they would decompose a little faster if it was 90 or 95 or I don't know how hot it was in the home yeah but the two
00:37:30
detectives that took the case Captain I found this to be extremely interesting and dedicated on their part
00:37:36
they had a suspicion even though they thought it might be a small chance they thought that there was a small chance
00:37:43
that the killer might return to the scene of the murders so the two detectives that caught the case they
00:37:50
actually spent several nights staying overnight at the murder house so going on with some more police thoughts
00:37:59
here imagine that that'd be us would be on the case Chief would say hey you two Knuckleheads
00:38:05
you guys like to talk to each other you guys are gonna stay in the house just wait till he comes back yeah well
00:38:13
and I I want to point out a few things as this is going on you've got to understand the confusion here amongst
00:38:19
just the officers involved in the investigation because this is not a crime that they're used to seeing okay
00:38:26
this is not a crime that anybody is used to seeing where a whole family well most
00:38:31
of a family is wiped out in the course of a morning or afternoon yeah and you have little to no evidence Left Behind
00:38:39
the thing here though too is Captain when you have a situation like this you know in Wichita at the time you know it
00:38:46
was a big city yes but they didn't have a high murder rate and the murders that they had they typically solved them
00:38:52
fairly quickly back then because usually they were committed by somebody if a family member was killed good chance it
00:38:57
was killed by another family member right right um you know people on the inner circle
00:39:02
were killing committing these types of crimes they were solved very quickly this situation we have
00:39:09
we have where police are not fully understanding what they are seeing they're not fully understanding the
00:39:15
crime that took place that day and so therefore you have officers and investigators that are not going to
00:39:21
share the same theories about what took place that day yeah because it's not just it's not just a murder right we
00:39:28
have a race well not rape okay so it's not actual rape because there there was no penetration right
00:39:34
right okay okay so sexual assault correct and he's basically masturbating to the torture that's going on
00:39:44
um you know these these wouldn't have been fast deaths you know they weren't it's not like putting
00:39:51
a gun to somebody's head and pulling the trigger these this type of death this type of killing takes some time and he
00:39:58
jerked off to it right he he enjoyed witnessing it whether it was during or after and that's why when we spoke
00:40:06
earlier about Dennis Raider spending time with sex workers now he has said that he had sex with
00:40:14
these sex workers I actually questioned if he would have been able to physically
00:40:18
because when we see his crimes he doesn't show that he has that he's capable of that that there's some
00:40:27
something in his makeup that does not allow him to do that now we talked about the police and investigators
00:40:35
jerking off right but that's mentally that's much different than um than an actual intercourse
00:40:45
so we talked about some of the different police and investigator theories and thoughts as to motive
00:40:54
um there were three popular ones at the time of the early investigation and one was that this could be some type of
00:41:01
Revenge killing that somebody went out to kill one member of the family or Wipe Out the entire family for some purposes
00:41:09
of Revenge the other Theory estimotive number two was the family had recently moved from
00:41:17
Panama and Joseph was a pilot so where there were some people that wondered could this be something that is
00:41:26
tied to the drug trade or some type of gang hit was Joseph Joseph involved in anything moving drugs right things of
00:41:35
that nature and somebody had sought him out to put an end to him and the other three were just collateral damage
00:41:43
the third Theory and this is probably the most terrifying one when you think about
00:41:50
the community is that Mrs Otero and the little girl were actually targeted by the Killer and the killer was surprised
00:41:59
to find the father at home that day and there's some there's some thoughts to support this Theory and that being that
00:42:06
there were no cars in the driveway when the killer had entered the home and remember Joseph was only home because
00:42:14
just a couple of weeks earlier he had been in a car accident so the car that that he drove was in the shop because it
00:42:24
was being fixed and Joseph was off of work nursing some injuries right so I'm assuming there was a way
00:42:31
that you know the killer would have been able to see into the garage to see if there was cars in the garage well their
00:42:38
their vehicle was home the one that the Otero mother typically drove right um but the other one was gone correct
00:42:46
and so even if the killer had been watching the house if he wasn't watching the home cons you know consecutive days
00:42:53
right he might not have any clue that Joseph would have been in the home you know there was no evidence to support or
00:43:01
to suggest to him that Joseph was there right so the police had like we said little to no leads the case was going to
00:43:10
go cold very quickly this was until October of that same year until October of 1974. this is when
00:43:20
police picked up a man for molesting a little girl behind the public library this man his name is Gary Sebring now
00:43:28
this is a man with a lengthy criminal record that included bestiality uh that he had committed in the local park there
00:43:36
now so he's picked up for possibly molesting this little girl behind the library now during the interrogation
00:43:42
regarding that attack on the little girl he started talking about the Otero murders and saying some weird stuff he
00:43:51
said you know had had he done the Otero murders he would have committed them with his brother Ernest and their friend
00:43:59
Thomas Meyer would have helped them commit this crime so it'd be three people yeah so he would have raped their
00:44:06
cat well all three of these men had a record of sex offenses uh the brother Ernest was brought in for questioning
00:44:16
police were looking for Thomas Myers now it took some time for them to find this
00:44:21
Thomas Myers character he was eventually located after he tried to take his own life
00:44:28
now all three men were found to be mentally unstable and they were all taken to a mental hospital for
00:44:35
observation they remained there for quite some time but none of the three would be charged with the quadruple
00:44:41
homicides yeah anybody that's raping an animal is obviously not mentally stable well yeah you touched on some on
00:44:50
something there captain that the the FBI would say as well they found that these
00:44:56
three individuals they didn't find any of them capable of getting away with these murders that it
00:45:02
would have gotten out of hand the the crime scene would have looked much differently it just didn't make any
00:45:08
sense to them now they're not just the police are not just going to go off of the FBI's thoughts and theories on this
00:45:13
there was also no evidence to suggest that they had had anything to do with these they one of them probably read
00:45:20
about it in the newspaper or overheard people talking about it this was a very very famous crime when this took place
00:45:29
in 1974. Wichita had not witnessed or experienced something of this level before like I said none of them would be
00:45:37
charged in the quadruple homicide but there was plenty of news coverage regarding the arrest of these three men
00:45:45
and the real killer was watching and reading it all and the thought that someone else may take credit for his
00:45:52
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00:46:26
then be good be kind and don't litter thank you [Applause] [Music]