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[Music] crime [Music] in December of 2008 you learned in December of 2008 that the remains of your
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granddaughter were found is that correct yes sir what effect did that have on you
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when you learned that Haley's remains had been f a deep a deep hurt inside tears the whole gamut of just an
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emotional l a breakdown inside of me and seeing what my wife and my son went through
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up to that moment had you held out the hope that Kaye would be found alive absolutely every day from July
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15th until the day we are told it was Kaye in January of 2009 you went oh the break no sir I need to get through this
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I need to have something inside of me get through this you need to break your staff no sir I'm
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fine January just let me know when you're when you're okay okay sir on January 22nd of 2009 Mr
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Anthony you went and got a gun didn't you yes my understanding of the events of this date are that Mr
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Anthony went and got a gun that he did so with the purpose I believe he will testify he did so with
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the purpose of forcing people who he believed might know something about who killed Kaye specifically friends or
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boyfriends of the defendant with the intention of forcing them to reveal what they knew and then taking his own
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life it is revealed in the suicide note and I believe he will testify that that's what happened the defense has
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brought up the suicide I do so the court knows intend for him to identify his SU suicide note
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and in my case I do intend to offer it because it shows that on January 22nd of 2009 this man had no idea who killed
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Kaye Marie Anthony and it rebuts implications by the defense that he did is directly contradictory to the
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defense's argument and it is proof and I do have case law when we try to admit the note at this point the circumstances
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of the suicide were raised by defense counsil when he asked the question about that event and I believe I'm entitled to
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go into that on the 22nd of January of 2009 this is um approximately six weeks after the remains were
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found did you travel to a hotel in Daytona Beach for their purposes of taking your own
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life yes sir why on that particular day did you decide to take your life why that particular day I picked up
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I I really don't know all I know is my emotional state even through today is uh is very hard to accept that I don't
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have a granddaughter anymore but for that particular day I don't know it just felt like the right
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time to go and be with Kaye did you call relatives and perhaps not literally but say say
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your last goodbyes to them oo I wanted to talk to my parents uh my sisters I know I called my
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son and my wife and just some I was okay um yes to say goodbye for the last time did did any of them try to get you
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to tell where you were you do you remember the the the content of the conversations no because really I I was
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supposed to be going to a meeting that day and uh I just I know I just decided that was
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the time for me to get away from all this to spend time with [Music] Kay the trial of Casey Anthony the trial of
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the woman that the media was calling the most hated woman in America is about to
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be underway but before we get eyeballs deep into the trial just a couple of little tidbits leading up to it we have
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April 14th 2009 that's when the State of Florida announces that they will seek the death penalty in the trial against
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Casey Anthony January 26 2010 Casey Anthony pleads guilty for 13 fraudulent check
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charges in April of 2010 Judge Stan Strickland steps down after the defense team files a motion
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accusing him of having inappropriate conversations with a blogger mhm now this blogger go who goes by the name of
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marinade Dave he blogged about the Casey Anthony case often and he had articles about the case and one of his articles
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was titled Casey Anthony Must Die Strickland basically had well that guy was just is getting right to the point
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yeah he it seems like the Blogger had already chose his side and it might be easily considered inappropriate for the
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judge to be having interactions with this blogger M basically judge Strickland had a priv private meeting
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with the Blogger having lunch with him uh discussing the case and even giving him a tour of sorts of the court
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building M um and it turns out that Judge Stan Strickland was a fan of marinade Dave so after the defense files
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the motion Stan Strickland steps down for the trial Strickland would make a comment to the media stating that it
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appears that the truth and Miss Anthony are strangers yes that was a comment that he had made and of course Jose bayz
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and the defense team later would state that this is a big- Time inappropriate statement for the judge to be making so
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we now have judge Bellin Perry Jr who is appointed to take over the case M August
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14th 2010 Cindy Anthony appears as a guest on The Today Show where she calls Casey Anthony a victim and she also
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claims that she is not involved with what happened to kayle's remains later that month George and Cindy
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Anthony's attorney Brad Conway he steps down because he disputes a Jose bayz motion claiming Conway was given
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unrestricted access to documents belonging to Texas Equis search to which the defense team was not given the same
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access before jury selection the defense filed a motion for a change of venue to
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move the trial out of Orlando you know you we have this this this case that's about to go to trial it's probably going
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to be the biggest case that kind of knew this going in I mean because the media coverage before the trial was gigantic
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and I think this is probably because of you know the precursor like the OJ Simpson trial yeah and you have like you
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said we have this media circus we have all these people she's already been basically convicted in the Public's eye
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wouldn't you agree and mhm and the thing here is Jose bayas in the defense team well they have an obligation to their
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client to provide her with a fair trial and they don't think that they're going to be able to get that in Orlando with
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all the media coverage that they have had so they filed for this motion of change of venue um and it's Bas seems
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says that he was hoping that the trial would get moved to a place like Miami you know a place that that has a lot
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more going on the more hustle and bustle where people weren't so in tune or so locked into all the media coverage of
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this case what ends up happening is Judge Perry decides that they would not have a change of venue in order to find
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a fair jury but rather the judge would select a city for the jury pool and they would bust this jury into Orlando and
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the location when when he says this the location of his choosing is not revealed
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to anyone for a while but but it is announced later that St Petersburg Clearwater Florida would be the location
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for the jury pool which is actually it's curious why he picks this location because it's only about an hour and a
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half away from Orlando mhm and now at this point we're at the jury selection so let's dive into that for a minute
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yeah after the trial defense attorney Jose Bas spoke of what they were looking for as they tried to strategize about
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shaping the jury to its liking Jose said that the plan was to avoid young mothers
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and especially single mothers stating that young and or single mothers would be constantly comparing themselves or
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comparing Casey to themselves throughout the trial and they most likely would have a strong hate for Casey or at the
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very least May convict her of murder just because they feel that she is a bad mother MH uh they were hoping to fill
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the jury with as many males over the age of 45 as possible uh the thinking here is that uh an older the older men may
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look at a female of Casey's age pretty much as like a child um where you might be more willing to forgive a child or
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maybe Overlook some acts that a child would make uh on May 20th 2011 after 11 days of jury selection
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Judge Perry swears in a jury of five men and seven women plus three men and two women as alter jurors now I want to take
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just a minute here and go through the jury uh that was selected for this trial and we'll we'll we'll let them remain
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nameless but we'll talk about them how the prosecutor as well as the defense team kind of saw them going into this
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selection process now the first woman that was selected she's an elderly Caucasian woman and she's a retired
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nurse now the defense was happy about this selection because you know older women she's a nurse nurse nurses tend to
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be uh nurturing um and the defense also thought that there were some problems with some of the forensic evidence that
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the nurse might have somewhat of an understanding of um the second juror was a 45-year-old African-American male uh
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he's an IT guy uh we've already discussed some things regarding the it situation you know the the use of the
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family computer um so they thought that somebody with knowledge in that background could be good for the defense
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could also work out poorly for you and sway to the prosecution side the third juror was a 32-year-old Caucasian female
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um she was a volunteer at an alternative lifestyle Camp um and this this is a person that the jury really liked um
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even though she was the jury really liked you mean the defense really lik um I apologize the defense really like this
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election because of her volunteering at this uh at this Camp uh that she might be somebody that was more understanding
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of young people or young adults uh and have have some mindset towards that the fourth jur juror selected was a 54
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year-old African-American lady uh now the thing I got to point out here is that the defense wanted to they wanted a
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mixed race jury uh the defense stated that African Americans have historically have been discriminated by law uh so of
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of course they are less trusting of law enforcement and they wanted to kind of put they they they really wanted to put
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a bunch of African-Americans on the jury because of their distrust of law enforcement and also that they they
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believed that because it was a death penalty case that that could sway in their favor as well well I think we both
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we've talked about this before we we both believe that that you know looking back that that was probably a mistake
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you know by the prosecutors to or the State of Florida to go after the death penalty yes the fifth juror selected was
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a 71-year-old Caucasian woman uh retired um and there was a couple things that the defense really liked about her
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because of her age she didn't have any young children uh and the other thing was she didn't own a computer nor had
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she ever owned a computer so this was somebody that they knew right away might not have been privy to a lot of the
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information out there about Casey against Casey uh this is somebody that wouldn't be you know communicating with
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bloggers or reading blogs about Casey juror number six was a 37-year-old white Caucasian male he was a chef yeah and he
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had several young children uh that lived at his home so this was one that the prosecution uh really liked uh because
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of the fact of him having young kids um juror number seven is a 47-year-old divorc Caucasian female she was a youth
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counselor uh so you could kind of lump her in the group with the U the volunteer at the uh the camp right the
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summer camp MH juror number eight we have a 60-year-old Caucasian woman um she is a service rep for a phone company
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uh and juror number nine is a 53-year-old Caucasian male who is unemployed juror number 10 uh
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57-year-old Caucasian male now he too was a Ser service rep for a phone company and this is the same phone
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company as juror number eight which was of major concern to both the prosecutor and the defense uh the fear being here
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that the two knew each other uh but it was very quickly establish that they did not juror number 11 was a 30-year-old
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Caucasian uh male gym teacher at a high school uh apparently this guy was pretty
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goodlooking um okay yeah this is not the defense or the prosecutor stating that this man is is is handsome this is your
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statements this is my statement this was one goodlooking juror he was he was one
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handsome man wink wink um no but the thing here is the the reason why I say he must be pretty good-looking is
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because some of the media would refer to him as instead of Juror number 11 they would refer to him as George Clooney so
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I get anytime you get compared to that guy right everybody wants to be compared to that guy I've never I've never been
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compared to that guy it's not happening for me either juror number 12 is a 61y old Caucasian female and she worked at a
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Public's grocery store um you know we see some wins as far as the prosecution's concerned and and some
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wins as far as the defense is concerned but those are their kind of General thoughts on the jury that was selected
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for this trial now you know that both the prosecution and the defense they get a good opportunity to vet these people
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before they are chosen to be on the jury and according to questioning it appeared
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that out of the 12 jurors chose chosen that only one was considered to be Pro death penalty uh May 24th 2011 the trial
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begins in Orlando Florida the prosecution state after Casey's parents left the house on June 16th 2008 hold on
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I'm just trying to follow you we're we're now to opening statements we yes we are now at the opening statement of
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of the big trial some are calling it The Trial of the century the trial against the most hated woman in America and the
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troll trial yes the prosecution states that Casey's parents left the house on June 16th 2008 Casey returned to the
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home with Kaylee at this time M using chloroform Casey knocked the kid out and placed duct tape over the mouth and nose
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of the child the baby suffocating her mhm she then bundled the little girl's body up in trash bags and a laundry bag
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placed them in the trunk of the vehicle she was driving and left the home that evening she went on a date with her
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boyfriend going to the Blockbuster Video Store to rent some movies like we talked
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about last episode then sometime before her vehicle was towed from the parking lot Casey Anthony dumped the body in a
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wooded area just several feet from Suburban Road about one qu of a mile from the Anthony home during the
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prosecution's opening statement they made these claims and they went on to go through each of the events that took
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place in the 31 days that expired between the time Kaylee went missing and the time that she was reported as such
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needless to say it was a rather lengthy opening statement the defense states that Kaye never was
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missing Kaylee Anthony died June 16th 2008 when she drowned in her family's swimming pool defense attorney Jose Bas
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says to the jury that the Anthony family is extremely dysfunctional and that Jose
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Bas wanted to take the jury into the Anthony home on Hop Spring Drive stating that Casey was out partying and having
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fun during the days that Kaylee was unac for because she was hiding in that deep
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dark place called denial a place that she had hid most of her life the defense told the jury that Casey was a good
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mother that Kaylee was never abused and was never without food without clothing Or Without Shelter stating that the jury
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would not hear one person testify about Kaylee being abused or mistreated by Casey and Bas is going to claim that you
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know this whole family is just about lies and secrets and this is going to start way back when Casey was just 8
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years old yes the lies and secrets are all wrapped in this case and it started when she's 8 years old when her father
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came into her room and began to touch her inappropriately and it escalated and escalated it started with fondling and
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then led to intercourse he stated that George was having sex with Casey several times a
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week until she was 12 years old old Bas suspected that George either stopped at this time because she was getting either
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too old for his taste or the threat of the young girl getting pregnant and then when Casey was older her older brother
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Lee then inherited the traits of his father and Lee began sneaking into Casey's room at night and fondling her
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this started with with Lee when Casey was 15 years old and these were all secrets that Casey kept that she hid and
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this is why she is a liar she had to learn to lie to hide the Family secret pointing out further how dysfunctional
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the Anthony family is BAS brought up a wedding attended by the Anthony family when Casey was seven months pregnant and
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and showing it too she's showing the pregnancy the whole family attended this wedding and when when Cindy's brother
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asked her well isn't there something you would like to tell me about my niece Cindy asked what and her her brother
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says well she's clearly pregnant Cindy and George denied the pregnancy explaining Casey was just
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overweight bz pointed out that the parents hid the pregnancy and that if they hid this child in life they would
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certainly hide this child in death stating they hid this child like a flower in the addict so what were the
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defensive claims to the accounts of death yeah that's one thing that I found very interesting was that BAS went on to
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explain to the jury how Kaye had died M stating that on the morning of June 16th
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Cindy woke Casey and Kaye before she left for work around 700 a.m. saying goodbye to them in their bed then the
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two went back to sleep sometime later George woke Casey up this is estimated to be several hours later and started
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yelling at her you know where's where's Kaylee where's Kaylee and the two of them went and searched the house they
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searched the closets they searched under the beds and in the garage then the backyard and then noticing the pool
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ladder to the family's above ground pool was still up he told the jury how George
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held kayle's lifeless body and yelled at Casey as Casey cried telling Casey that
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her mother would never forgive her for this and that she was going to go to prison for the rest of her life for
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child neglect the other thing he kind of brings up uh which is you know smart on
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his part is he says well look here's another thing that's a problem with the prosecution's um claims is they don't
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really know how the baby died we don't know how Kaylee died so therefore how can you charge somebody with murder and
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on top of that go after the death penalty when you don't know exactly how she died yeah and I think that I mean
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that had to have been a smart thing to do you know they don't know the cause of death and he's stating this right out of
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the gate and he's letting you know that you know what you're going to hear this from the prosecution side later what I'm
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telling you now they're going to back it up that they don't have the cause of death so how can we charge anybody with
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murder we'll get right back to the trial of Casey Anthony right after this quick
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that all right cheers mates back to the troll trials now we have a lengthy trial
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to cover here captain and we can't go through every detail of such there were a lot of people that were called to
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testify and if we did so this this show we would basically have to do a show that was the length of the trial and
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we're here to just kind of point out the important parts as we see them as well as maybe some you know Peaks and valleys
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that took place during the course of the trial so we're going to kind of pick um
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some key players some key characters that were involved in this trial and we'll kind of give an overview of what
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took place of of the statements that they made and testified to so the first witness that is called by the
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prosecution is George Anthony now under oath he would state that he never sexually abused his daughter Casey he's
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going to state that he had no knowledge of the death of Kaylee or did he cover up the death of Kaye in any way also
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under test while testifying he will state that he as well as the tow truck manager both agreed that from their
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experiences that they did smell what they considered to be human decomposition coming from Casey's car
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before George drove it home all right right so exactly when they go to uh pick up the car from it being in pound they
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both smell the same thing yes and this would be in July now under cross-examination George Anthony is
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going to state that he did not smell de composition in Casey's car on June 24th 2008 now this is when he would have seen
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the vehicle back at his home before it was ever towed and just to be clear he was not actually in this vehicle he was
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just feet away from the vehicle on the 24th the other thing that he would State too remember Casey returned gas cans to
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him that were stolen from his shed that she stole from the shed now he would state that he did put duct tape over one
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of those cans after she had returned them to him he also testified that he had bought a gun to threaten Casey's
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friends into telling him where Kaye was even though he knew that having a gun violated k 's baale now the thing here
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is George believed that when they could not find Kaye that that not only Casey may have known where she was but her
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friends the people that she was shacking up with during this 30-day time period that they would know more about the
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Kaylee situation than her than he and Cindy knew and he thought he was going to have to go and talk to these people
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and ask the hard questions often thought this would make an amazing show mhm right so what you do is you maybe you
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dress up like clowns I don't know what you you cuz clowns are creepy and you get some guns and some torturing devices
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and you and these cases that aren't solved that you really want solved you find these individuals and you torture
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them till till they tell you all right I just I think it' be a good show it it might work we I'm not going to I'm
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not putting my stamp on that hey uh uh Discovery call me that's right call him um Jose bz then asked George Anthony
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about his suicide attempt which took place in January of 2009 and the next day the judge allows the jury to see the
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suicide note now this is one thing that we are yet to cover in this case uh George Anthony did have a suicide
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attempt this took place January 23rd 2019 the the basics of it are this that George decides to check him s into a
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hotel he takes about 70 pills and he drinks as much alcohol as he can in attempt to take his and and his own life
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uh while there he was texting family members and calling some of them uh and he did in fact leave that suicide note
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which the judge allows the jury to read I think this is important evidence for the prosecution because the defense is
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trying to paint a picture here that you know well look the how she died was that
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that that George found Kaylee in the pool MH and what the prosecution is going to claim is based off the evidence
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in this suicide note it proves that George wasn't involved and he had no knowledge of what was going on so do you
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want to read that note well it's a bit of a double-edged sword isn't it because I think I think at the time the the
00:35:20
defense is trying to state that you know this might show that there was a lot more going on with George and but I
00:35:28
think you're right it the prosecution as well they're they're like yeah this also
00:35:32
kind of shows he's innocent regardless it's full of emotion and the the suicide note that the jury was allowed to read
00:35:39
is as follows it says cyony Marie as you get this letter this should be no surprise that I have decided to leave
00:35:47
this earth because I need to be with Kaye Marie I cannot keep going because it should be me that is gone from this
00:35:55
Earth not her I have lived many years I am satisfied with my decision because I have never been the man you Lee Casey
00:36:04
and especially Kaye Marie deserved I have never been the man any of you could count on I have always let each of you
00:36:13
down in more ways than I can remember I do not feel sorry for myself I am just sorry I burden all of you the way I have
00:36:22
my loss of life is meaningless Cynthia Marie you have always worked your hardest given the most to me and I have
00:36:31
never thanked you 28 plus years ago you corrected me a man who has now found his
00:36:38
identity and life what I mean is you always challenged me the right way and I always could never live up to your
00:36:46
expectations you have always been smarter more knowledgeable and thought things through and I love you for that I
00:36:54
cannot be strong anymore Kay Marie our granddaughter I miss her I miss her so much I know you do too you were always
00:37:04
the one that provided for her what did I provide I blame myself for her being gone you know for months as a matter of
00:37:13
fact for a year or so I brought stuff up only to be told not to be negative Kaye
00:37:20
Marie I miss her I miss her I want my family back I sit here following apart because I should have done more she was
00:37:30
so close to home why was she there who placed her there why is she gone for months you and I especially you always
00:37:39
question why I want this to go away for Casey what happened why could she not come to us especially you or why not Lee
00:37:51
who is involved with this stuff with Kaye I going crazy because I want want to go after these people Casey hung with
00:37:59
prior to Kaylee being gone that is why I got that gun I wanted to scare these people you know they know more than they
00:38:08
have stated you cannot sugarcoat Kid Glove these people they need Hard Knocks to get info from sure that will not
00:38:18
bring Kaye Marie back but was Casey threatened you know Casey does not deserve to be where she is I miss her I
00:38:27
miss her so much I am worried for her her personal safety is always on my mind I try to deal with so so much as I do
00:38:37
you also I have never wanted to my family for sorrow in any way I realize families have ups and downs but we have
00:38:46
suffered our share and then some Cynthia Marie you have always deserved more and
00:38:52
with me being gone you will I have always brought you down you know that you are better off Lee will be there for
00:39:01
you I cannot function knowing our granddaughter is gone Kaye Marie never had a chance to grow I wanted to walk
00:39:09
her to school I wanted to help her in so many ways I sit here empty inside for her for you for us yes you deserve more
00:39:18
and you will have freedom to enjoy what you deserve I have taken what meds was given to me with alcohol and I'm ready
00:39:26
to give up as I can tell by my writing and thinking I am getting very stupid wow what a word stupid yes I am again I
00:39:36
do not feel sorry for myself I am stupid I cannot deal with stuff anymore the loss of Kaye Marie the loss of Casey the
00:39:46
loss of us Cynthia Marie the meds I am ready saying goodbyes please understand it is for the best I do not deserve life
00:39:56
anymore you are the best you always have been I am sorry for all that I have done
00:40:01
to us I love you I hope you get to see Casey soon I am sorry I will take care of Kaye once I get to God hopefully I
00:40:10
want to hold her again I miss her I will always love us I am sorry Cynthia Marie
00:40:17
I am so tired I am sorry I love you Cynthia Marie Kaye here I come Lee I am sorry and like I've stated from the
00:40:26
beginning um George was more of her father you know kayle's father than he was the grandfather MH because she
00:40:34
didn't have a father figure so I would assume that that's how Kaylee saw him and so I think this was a pretty
00:40:43
crushing blow to him I think this points to the idea that he didn't know what happened so the defense's argument that
00:40:52
Kaye drowned and that George helped Casey cover this up I think is a lot of malarkey yeah and I
00:40:59
to be honest with you Captain I don't know which side of the fence was pushing for the suicide note to be viewed by the
00:41:07
jury I think what the defense was trying to do I don't think they were trying to
00:41:11
accuse him of murder obviously they never State at any point during the trial that they believe he killed the
00:41:17
girl right but I think what the defense was trying to do was bring up this suicide attempt by pointing out pointing
00:41:24
out that George may have you know because of this suicide maybe he did have more involvement maybe he had more
00:41:30
on his chest than we know about and well I think they brought I think they brought up the idea of suicide and then
00:41:37
I think the prosecution is the one saying hey look if you're going to Brin this up that's fine but this then we're
00:41:44
going to look at this note and by the context of the note it points to the fact that he didn't know anything about
00:41:50
it and I yeah I agree 100% it would be totally different if he said I can't live with myself for what I've done but
00:41:57
he didn't say that he said I got a gun and I wanted to get answers you know and I and these people know more the thing
00:42:05
that constantly rings constantly with this family is the enabling and and parents never want
00:42:14
their children to fail they never want them to hit rock bottom and most of the time people know that if somebody's
00:42:19
going through some crap in their life they have to hit rock bottom but if you have parents or friends that keep Ena
00:42:26
you and keep bringing you to the surface you never hit rock bottom and I think that's what happened constantly with
00:42:32
this family again even in this note even at the time of his you know wanting to take his own life to be with his
00:42:39
granddaughter he keeps on saying my daughter doesn't deserve to be where she's at uh yeah she does yeah but that's the
00:42:49
parent in him speaking and I and I think what you hear in that suicide note right
00:42:54
but some parents are more enablers than others yeah and I think I think what you
00:42:58
hear in that suicide note you're exactly right I think the it it totally if you if anybody on the jury had any
00:43:07
speculation that the suicide attempt would help further the defense's case if if you would believe that George knew
00:43:16
them what what you were talking about I think the suicide note clears that up really quickly and it it it washes that
00:43:21
all away for me because in that note yes he's talking about mainly about his shortcomings and things that the family
00:43:29
deserved better and he didn't give it enough and didn't do enough but he never says that he's guilty of anything other
00:43:36
than maybe he could have been a better parent or a better husband at times and I think these are all thoughts that
00:43:42
whether we're having good days or bad days I think we all have those thoughts in in the back of our minds from time to
00:43:47
time that we could be better parents we could be better spouses we could be better brothers or sisters or or or
00:43:54
children uh to our parents you know we you always have those feelings inside of you and the certainly there's no there's
00:44:02
no words of guilt in my mind in that suicide note you do the best you can as a parent you try to provide at the end
00:44:10
of the day you just can all you can do is try your best um you know tough thing but then so then next they're going to
00:44:17
start bringing up character Witnesses for Casey Anthony yeah they're going to call a lot of Casey's friends to the
00:44:24
stand um and we're not going to go through them individually but the the basic summary of what they're all kind
00:44:30
of saying is that all of them had heard casy at one point or several points tell
00:44:37
them lies about Casey having a job during that June and July of 2008 the 30 days basically yep about uh the nanny
00:44:46
you know that Kaylee had a nanny um these were all lies that she didn't just tell to her family she was telling them
00:44:51
to the friends as well uh there were some that kind of stood out from from amongst the group there one would be Amy
00:45:00
remember her friend Amy the one that she uh stole money from yeah she stole the checks from her now Amy would state that
00:45:08
she received a text from Casey on June 27th stating that Casey had a dead animal that she had hit with the vehicle
00:45:18
and that was kind of wedged up in the the frame of her car um and that's all the further explanation gives regarding
00:45:26
this maybe pointing out why there might be some kind of foul smell coming from the vehicle mhm um another one of
00:45:34
importance is a former boyfriend testifies that Casey told him that uh Casey's brother Lee Anthony had sexually
00:45:44
groped her at one point in her life um Judge Perry does not allow um the the jury to hear testimony from Casey's U
00:45:54
ex-boyfriend stating this um that that that he had tried to grope her and a witness that I thought was really
00:46:00
interesting was the neighbor the neighbor came forward and said that in mid June that uh Casey came over with
00:46:07
her boyfriend and asked to borrow a shovel because she wanted to dig up a bamboo rot yeah and there some
00:46:14
interesting things here um you know he couldn't give a date on that but he did say it was sometime in mid June um it
00:46:21
didn't seem of anything of great importance to him so why would he remember the exact date mhm uh the thing
00:46:27
here is you know there there's a great true crime author Diane Fanning who who wrote a book very early in this case
00:46:33
actually before it went to trial and shortly after she was arrested uh Casey Anthony being arrested not Diane Fanning
00:46:41
uh but Diane gives her gives her kind of idea of what she thinks happened in this
00:46:47
case and one thing she states in there is that she believed it was unbeknownst to her at the time that that Tony was
00:46:54
with Casey when she went to borrow the the shovel and Diane speculated that maybe uh Casey had borrowed the shovel
00:47:02
to to assist in disposing of the body and that maybe the dogs remember the dogs had gone the cadav dogs had smelled
00:47:10
and hit on some points in the backyard of the Anthony family home right and her thought was maybe Casey's original
00:47:18
thought was that she would bury the body in the backyard we now know at this time
00:47:22
she was not alone on that day she was with her boyfriend Tony and he would further testify that they actually
00:47:28
borrowed the shovel to break into the shed where they were going to go steal the the the gas cans now they're going
00:47:36
to start calling police officers and FBI agents and the first police officers that arrive at the Anthony's household
00:47:42
the day that they're going to report her missing remember those the 911 calls um
00:47:47
they're going to claim that in the Pontiac they didn't actually smell any deceased body right right they they
00:47:54
didn't smell any human composition in Casey's car they also did admit that they did not search the other two
00:48:00
vehicles that were on the property that night um a dog handler that is called he
00:48:06
describes the dog alerting to human decomposition in the trunk of this vehicle as well as near kayle's
00:48:14
Playhouse in the backyard now and just since we're on this point right they actually had a scientist that did this
00:48:23
study or did this test basically he created this test yes and what they would do was they would take this sample
00:48:30
and they would kind of I think they would liquefy it and then turn it into a vapor and then somehow put that into a
00:48:37
can whatever anyways the test was to prove that there was a rotting body basically in the trunk of the car yeah
00:48:47
right and so he he's done this test many times he created the test um he created
00:48:53
the he created the contraption that that conducts the test this is Dr Voss um and
00:49:00
he you know he's got some big long word that describes this contraption that is going to conduct this test U but he does
00:49:08
state that he found uh using this test signs of human decomposition and a high level of Chlor form in the trunk of
00:49:15
Casey's car M so now we got two things putting against Casey Anthony now bz the defense attorney is going to do
00:49:22
something pretty smart here M he's going to state well that's great that you have
00:49:26
this it's scientific proof okay it's not this is not an opinion right this is scientific proof and Bas kind of
00:49:34
shatters that by saying well you've never testified before well not only has he not testified but also this method of
00:49:43
of determining that there was human decomposition in the trunk has never been used in any trial anywhere before
00:49:50
right and I would also just like to make the statement that it has been several hundreds hundreds of times now since
00:49:58
this date right uh yeah bayz would go on to claim that Dr Vos had a uh Financial uh interest in this because if
00:50:09
if he could get it into one trial then this would be considered somewhat fact um and it could be used all over the
00:50:16
country and this was a device that he could then sell to law enforcement right and a bunch of law enforcement use it
00:50:24
now but but that's because it's science mhm well an FBI forensic chemist uh confirms chloroform residue in the trunk
00:50:33
of Casey's car but also states that household cleaning products leave traces of chloroform right a professor of
00:50:41
chemistry called by the defense says that chemical compounds identified by Dr Voss in air samples can be found in
00:50:49
household products and garbage as well um what ends up happening here is we get into this lengthy battle over is this
00:50:58
test going to be considered evidence or not you know you have the prosecution wants it to be evidence obviously and
00:51:05
the defense is going to try to poke as many holes in it as they possibly can I found that this was one part of the
00:51:11
trial that got a little chippy you know where it seemed like the defense and the
00:51:16
the prosecution were kind of going at one another more than talking to the experts right uh what ends up happening
00:51:22
is that Judge Perry decides because I don't I'm not clear on how they got to this point but this is how chippy it got
00:51:30
Judge Perry decides that he is not going to allow the jury to sniff air samples that were taken from the car trunk from
00:51:37
the trunk of the car yeah they they don't need to do that yeah here here smell this don't be one of those people
00:51:44
oh my God this salad tastes so bad try it no well while actually while we're on the trunk of the car let's talk about
00:51:53
the single hair that was removed from the the trunk of the vehicle uh and this was similar to the hair uh from kayle's
00:52:01
hairbrush and it had what what they call as root banding and it was consistent with that from a decomposing body uh
00:52:09
that's what I'm calling the death band on that hair uh the thing here is you know this is something that they are
00:52:17
again it's kind of like the the smell coming from the trunk they have some proof of this but the defense is pretty
00:52:24
quick to poke some holes in this as well because there were other hairs that they
00:52:29
found you're a mother of a the child child's in your car there's hairs everywhere yeah right so so that's fine
00:52:37
and and that's going to be easy for the defense to poke holes in but the fact that there's this band is what's way
00:52:44
more interesting to me yeah they were able to get somebody the defense was able to get someone to testify that that
00:52:50
finding that on that hair could also just mean that it sat in the trunk of the car for an extended period of time
00:52:58
right which you would think that like if you're getting groceries in and out of a
00:53:01
car a hair could fall off of her you know it's pretty easy to explain another thing that was brought up uh We've
00:53:08
brought up the duct tape already well crime scene investigators identified a piece of Hinkle brand duct tape uh found
00:53:16
at the the scene and testified that it is the same brand as George Anthony put on the red gas can uh one investigator
00:53:25
states that no hle brand tape was found elsewhere in the Anthony's home now FBI they did test on on this duct tape that
00:53:34
was found on kayle's body and they could not find any fingerprints on this duct tape they didn't find Casey's
00:53:42
fingerprints they didn't find George Anthony's fingerprints but the the other thing here is uh they also didn't find
00:53:49
any DNA now now the thing that I would argue here that this does not point to any body being innocent in my mind
00:53:57
whether whether you want to fight for Casey or whether you want to fight for George it doesn't point to either of
00:54:01
them being innocent that no DNA was found because they didn't find any DNA of Kaye it was on her the the body was
00:54:10
so far decomposed and on top of that duct tape has has certain natural fibers that are in it as well and from from it
00:54:17
sitting out for 6 months in the Heat and that area had flooded at one point and and you know in the rain and all the
00:54:25
elements any trace of DNA was removed from the duct tape furthermore any of those natural fibers had basically
00:54:33
disintegrated by this point by the time that they found kayle's body so they have the duct tape right and then we
00:54:40
know that that's connected to the an Anthony household it's the same brand yes and then we have this laundry basket
00:54:47
yeah la laundry bag okay so this laundry bag they're sold in pairs the other pair
00:54:52
is found at the Anthony household yeah yes the the this is actually a pretty common bag it's something you could buy
00:54:58
at any grocery store but like the captain said it's sold in at like a two or three pack and they found the other
00:55:03
ones at the home uh Kaylee Anthony's whole bedroom is decorated in Winnie the Pooh stuff and they found a Winnie the
00:55:10
Pooh blanket MH at the scene M now so you know yeah well and what they're going to point out there is that you
00:55:19
know in the beginning Casey was stating that this was well not a stranger abduction that it was a nanny Abduction
00:55:27
zy the nanny yeah and the prosecution here is pointing out that look sorry but every item that was found where Kaye was
00:55:35
found was found in the Anthony home this body was transferred from the Anthony home right basically saying everything
00:55:43
that comes out of this girl's mouth is horseshit and it's not even just the zany The Nanny thing then it became this
00:55:49
whole well it's somebody else and there's this whole sex ring and sex trafficking and all this crazy nonsense
00:55:57
that Casey kept on throwing out uh and that was just to get people talking about something other than her yeah well
00:56:04
it's at this point in the trial that you know while they're talking about the duct tape the investigators they show
00:56:09
photographs of the remains of Kaylee and some of these photos show that the duct
00:56:14
tape appears to be over the mouth area now one invest investigator does admit that the duct tape might not have
00:56:21
originally been on the mouth and could have shifted position as he collected The Remains uh at this point in the
00:56:29
trial Casey Anthony becomes ill looking at the photographs and the jury is dismissed for the day the prosecution
00:56:36
also brought into the trial some video footage now we talked about this this is all video that we've seen on CNN Fox
00:56:44
News Nancy Grace Nancy Grace all everybody that was covering the trial top mom this was video footage showing
00:56:52
Casey Anthony yelling at her parents while she's in in jail lying to her parents while she's in jail and in but
00:56:59
the interesting thing here Captain is there is video footage of her denying to an officer on July 16th 2008 that Kaylee
00:57:08
had drowned in the pool as the officer had suggested to her right now you would think right that this would be a big
00:57:16
home run for the prosecution right first we have this woman Casey Anthony that nobody likes anyway and now we are
00:57:23
showing you video foot footage of her lying to her parents right uh but what ends up happening is this actually only
00:57:30
ends up being what I would consider to be a small victory for the prosecution because they end up showing the jury two
00:57:36
tapes and both of the tapes are very long extremely long where we're only actually showing small parts of herself
00:57:44
of Casey making herself look very bad in a very short period and one thing that we know is one of the worst things you
00:57:52
can do in a trial is to bore the jury you know they they lose interest they lose focus of what's important at that
00:57:59
moment if you drag things out too long mhm our listeners are saying the same thing about the show here smell this hey
00:58:08
come here people say have you seen those videotapes of her in prison oh man she's
00:58:13
the worst person ever it's very small fragments where she is the worst person ever but she is the worst person ever
00:58:19
but I I think it's a huge home run and the jury distant catch on to that your defense came from this police officer
00:58:27
your defense came from well what makes the most logical sense oh she drowned in the pool this is how we're going to
00:58:34
defend you but you already denied that before and that's going to be your argument if I'm on the jury I'm going
00:58:42
this troll is lying about everything the EV all the evidence points to her having
00:58:48
knowledge all the evidence points to her lying about everything and then on top of that her defense defense is something
00:58:55
she already denied yeah yeah and you know what Captain here's where I think that they made a quite a big stumble the
00:59:02
prosecution that is one not only showing the the lengthy tapes but you know what
00:59:07
I would have done just that little clip of her denying it to the officer you got
00:59:11
to pull like that JFK moment you know from Oliver Stone's great movie back into the left back into the left back
00:59:19
into the left you just keep showing that part of the tape over and over and over
00:59:24
again rather than showing them almost I think they spent back into most of the day reviewing these two tapes it was
00:59:31
extremely long and I think you could have really just honed in on a few points and really hit the home run a
00:59:38
grand slam even with that back into the left of showing her denying that to the off I probably would he play it a 100
00:59:45
times right yeah just play it a 100 times uh you sure she didn't drown in the pool nope sure she didn't drown in
00:59:52
the pool nope just keep playing it over and over yeah so we have we have the medical examiner and I and we're not
00:59:59
going to go through all of that because we we know that they said that this was a homicide and we know that the defense
01:00:06
is saying well you can't you can't say that because you can't give us a cause of death they ruled it a homicide
01:00:13
because of the duct tape because the body was hidden because nobody reported her missing you know those are the
01:00:17
reasons for doing so but an expert that was called in this is an expert in forensic entomology uh states that he
01:00:25
found flies related to decomposition in the trunk of Casey's car now the defense
01:00:31
is going to call their own expert uh that is an expert in the same field and this expert will state that there was if
01:00:40
there was a body in the trunk uh they should have found hundreds or thousands of these blowflies trapped in the trunk
01:00:49
so where one expert says we found we found flies uh I think it was like one or two you know maybe two or three flies
01:00:58
and the defense is saying that you should have found hundreds of or thousands of them let's be clear though
01:01:03
that was all cleaned out when they got the car right they pulled stuff from the trunk initially they all smelled a bad
01:01:10
smell and they threw away trash that that uh the mother claims there was maggots all over maggots and flies and
01:01:18
all that stuff so there's your hundreds of flies that were thrown out as evidence well but also the defense is
01:01:25
going to claim that with this expert that these the the flies that they found that they're saying are related to a
01:01:32
decomposing body are the same that you would expect to find in rotting trash as well okay uh now we talked about the
01:01:40
computer activity on the Anthony's home computer uh so they're going to call the
01:01:45
state and the defense are both going to call several software analysts um and one will state that someone used the
01:01:53
Anthony computer to search a website this ISS spot.com for Chloroform 84 times on March 21st 2008 uh4 times 84
01:02:04
times that's a lot of research during cross-examination this expert admits that the automatic page reloading could
01:02:13
account for that number and there was no way of knowing how many times chloroform
01:02:18
was actually searched uh and furthermore they could not State who or or they could not know who was the
01:02:27
person performing the searches on the computer at that time um but here's what's interesting go for it is that
01:02:34
there's only two adults in the household at this time so we have George or Casey
01:02:42
that is by all evidence the only two adults that could have been in the household at the time now the defense is
01:02:50
going to call Casey's mother and she's going to come to the stand and she's going to testify I made that search
01:02:57
right and then the prosecution is going to come back and go hey crazy you are at
01:03:04
work right everything states that you're at work yeah there's time cards to prove
01:03:10
so there's co-workers stating that you were there were there and she still lies no that was me because I was looking up
01:03:18
this thing uh because the bamboo you have to kill certain things of the bamboo and and and I misspelled it and
01:03:25
it this came up and I clicked on it yeah if you type in the first few letters of
01:03:28
what you're searching for some a more popular search might be the first that appears and you click on that where the
01:03:35
prosecution dropped the ball and what the defense was ready for was this other search death by Suffocation right and
01:03:45
the for some reason during the trial the the the prosecution never brought this up no they spent most of the time trying
01:03:51
to prove that Cindy uh was not the one that searched for Chloroform right and what what they're also able to confirm
01:03:59
is that a a search for Chloroform on the Anthony computer uh took place not only
01:04:05
on March 21st but uh there was also how to make chloroform on March 17th 2008 so
01:04:12
we have two different searches here um the defense is also going to claim that Casey didn't know what chloroform was
01:04:19
and that she had searched for Chloroform because it was something she had seen on
01:04:23
her was it her boyfriend or ex-boyfriend at the time his Myspace or Facebook page
01:04:29
that he had some kind of post that said win her over with chloroform it was supposed to be some kind of joke where
01:04:34
you see a some really shitty joke a man good job you just made a shitty joke on MySpace A well-dressed man standing
01:04:40
behind A well-dressed woman saying wi win her over with chloroform and that the search was simply for she didn't
01:04:47
know what it was and wanted to look it up and figure out why that post was so funny um it which that look that
01:04:53
explains the won but because the prosecution didn't bring up death by Suffocation then you know they they
01:05:00
dropped the ball there big time Big Time while we're talking about the investigators let's talk about a lead
01:05:05
detective that uh testified during the trial and he stated that there were no phone calls between Cindy and George
01:05:13
Anthony during the week of June 16th 2008 but he went on to admit that he was not aware that George Anthony had a
01:05:22
second cell phone now Cindy will be called to the stand to testify yes and she will testify that uh she swam with
01:05:31
Kaye the night before she was last seen in the family's above ground swimming pool and she also would testify that
01:05:38
Kaye could get up the ladder into the pool by herself uh she also believed that Casey worked at Universal Studios
01:05:47
in Orlando uh and belied that there was a babysitter named z zany uh Cindy Anthony said says that uh her
01:05:55
description of Casey's car smelling like someone had died or like something had died in the damn car right and that's
01:06:02
what we heard on the 911 call MH on the stand she says that that was just simply
01:06:07
a figure of speech uh that she she ultimately ended up trying to get rid of the smell by spraying for Breeze all
01:06:14
within the car and inside the trunk as well uh she says that on the evening of June 16th when she came home from work
01:06:24
that she did find the pool ladder in the pool you know so it was attached to the
01:06:29
pool so somebody could get into the pool with that ladder being up and she also stated that Kaylee did have the ability
01:06:37
and had witnessed it on more than one occasion of opening up the sliding back door to the home to get out to the pool
01:06:44
by herself well you know she can't open that if it's locked right right she couldn't or she couldn't climb the
01:06:51
ladder if it was not up right she also stated in her testimony that she definitely recalls the ladder being up
01:06:59
on the night of the 16th because she remembers having a conversation with George about that ladder being up
01:07:06
stating that it should not have been up uh because after swimming with Kaylee the night before that she had remembered
01:07:13
taking the ladder down so she had this conversation with him about why the ladder would be up to the pool um at
01:07:20
some point during the trial the defense then shows a picture to the jury uh and after hearing Cindy's comments uh this
01:07:29
is a pretty powerful picture because this is a picture of of young Kaye opening the sliding glass door at the
01:07:36
home um it clearly showing that she was able to do so now in the picture this is
01:07:41
kind of a famous picture so I shouldn't have to describe it too much you cannot actually see kayle's face but you kind
01:07:47
of see what appears that she may have run into the room you see the back of her little body with her hair and her
01:07:53
arm is reaching up and her hand has has opening the sliding glass door and like you stated before she is going to you
01:08:00
know make the claims that she did the Google searches yeah and that's just false and I think a lot of her testimony
01:08:08
is just false and I think she's a liar and I also think she's somebody that doesn't want to believe that her child
01:08:16
is capable of U murdering her granddaughter mhm and I think at this point and I think we talked about this a
01:08:27
while back though um is the idea that she already lost her granddaughter mhm and she can't do anything about that and
01:08:38
one of the reasons why I think the prosecution shouldn't have went for the death
01:08:43
penalty is that by doing so you're going to put both of her parents in a defensive mode mhm because they need to
01:08:51
defend her at least through the trial right right and and Casey's mother States well maybe not to the point that
01:09:00
she doesn't receive prison time but you know because there there was first-degree murder charge and a
01:09:05
manslaughter charge maybe the maybe Cindy's thoughts were okay I could see maybe Casey was you know guilty of some
01:09:14
type of manslaughter charge but not that of a first-degree murder right here's the problem with it she made this
01:09:21
statement saying oh well you know I prayed to God and I prayed and I prayed you know to spare my daughter's life or
01:09:31
actually what she stated was give me an answer if she is guilty of this then find her guilty MH the problem with this
01:09:40
you hypoc Christian is that you lied on the stand and if you didn't lie on the stand
01:09:47
then then maybe she is found guilty right so you can't sit there and say well you know God gave me the answers
01:09:57
you're lying for some of those answers well and I think in my opinion that uh Cindy was the most interesting person to
01:10:06
watch on the stand and it was uh one CU I didn't know I never had a clue what she was going to say next what her
01:10:13
answer would be to the next question right um but the thing that was fascinating to me is you know the
01:10:19
prosecution's made up of a team it's not just one person you know they had they had a you know very
01:10:24
bright group of people working on this prosecution team and but she would go toeo Toe with every one of them and she
01:10:31
would get you know she make her mean little face and she'd point at them from time to time and she would argue with
01:10:36
them you know she would dance with anybody on that prosecution team she is definitely a bright individual and
01:10:43
anytime that the prosecutors seemed unhappy with her answers or like they maybe they didn't believe her uh she was
01:10:50
willing to argue it uh till the end of the day if she had to so it was interesting to me to watch the
01:10:56
interaction between her and the prosecutors when they necessarily didn't agree with what she was saying and I and
01:11:02
I want to be clear I feel for this individual right mhm she lost her baby you know yeah her
01:11:13
granddaughter but her baby and then in the process she's losing her daughter right I to I can't even imagine or to to
01:11:21
begin to tell you what I would do but I have it's really hard for me to lie because I physically get sick for
01:11:32
example I did well I can't even say it I was going to go to do 10 miles on my bike the other day right okay somebody
01:11:40
text me they said how many miles did you get well I got 9.9 right most people would just go 10 you look like you're
01:11:50
physically getting sick yeah cuz I can't but it's like like but some people just
01:11:55
uh some people are just honest people and and maybe she was lying look if she's lying to protect her daughter I
01:12:02
feel for you but at the same time there's no justice there's no justice for that little baby and and and that's
01:12:11
something that you could have gave to that little baby that you didn't mhm well there was also a big question
01:12:17
regarding uh another one of her actions and this would be that private investigators that worked for the
01:12:24
Anthony family now I want to be clear on this they did not work for Casey Anthony
01:12:28
they worked for George and Cindy Anthony uh there was a and I don't really understand what the defense was trying
01:12:36
to point out about this situation but uh they were trying to prove that Cindy had
01:12:43
sent the private investigators to search the area where kayle's body would later
01:12:48
be found um maybe they were trying to point out that the that the parents knew knew where the body would be uh that
01:12:55
where the body would be found and that they wanted their investigators to find the body um obviously that didn't happen
01:13:02
or maybe there was a tip yeah and um Cindy would deny that on stand uh she said that she never sent the private
01:13:09
investigators to that area to find to to look for kayle's body um but even though
01:13:14
that there was proof of that right well the the proof came with some other people involved in the trial first of
01:13:21
all you had um uh remember melish detective melish that we talked about he stated that he heard Cindy direct them
01:13:29
to that area to to search that area uh we also have Lee Anthony her own son says that under testified to this that
01:13:41
he knew that his mother sent the investigators to that area to search for Kaye um he states that she sent them to
01:13:49
that area after she had spoken to a psychic um but again she would deny this and this is another part of the trial
01:13:56
where you see them call Cindy for a little bit she gives her testimony then they call these other people to kind of
01:14:01
you know uh discredit that and then they call Cindy again and she sticks with what she had said now uh on the stand
01:14:09
though Lee the the other thing that I found interesting that he had said as well Lee would be the brother yes that's
01:14:15
Casey's older brother um Lee Anthony stated that he was not told that Casey was pregnant with Kaye until just days
01:14:23
before kayle's birth so that kind of backs up the weird thing that the defense brought up with Cindy's brother
01:14:28
saying you know it was kind of like the parents were trying to hide this this pregnancy um you know during even when
01:14:35
Casey was s and a half months pregnant well and again one of the things I thought was
01:14:41
funny about the Discovery ID documentary was how she was saying you know oh well
01:14:47
Casey was so excited to have this baby and she wanted this baby and she was wanted to be a mother and we were all
01:14:57
excited uh that's not true seem and then we have a we have friends that came forward saying oh well when she found
01:15:03
out that she was pregnant she really didn't know who the father was and then she was like I'm just going to have an
01:15:11
abortion and then the mother talked her out of that and probably the mother said
01:15:15
oh no we'll be here for you and and we'll we'll we'll help you and so you didn't know who the father was then she
01:15:22
lied to guys about who the father was and then they had to take test and figure out well you're lying to me well
01:15:29
there's no honor Amongst Thieves right and I know they're not thieves but but we're talking about a lot of people
01:15:35
telling a lot of stories that just don't add up at the end of the day uh a couple
01:15:39
things that took place with Casey during the trial we talked about her breaking down and uh during when they were
01:15:46
showing the picture of pictures of the remains um but some other interesting tidbits was on June 25th uh judge bin
01:15:54
Perry Jr he temporarily halts proceedings after the defense makes a motion to determine if Casey was even
01:16:00
competent to stand uh or to proceed with the trial uh two days later she is found
01:16:07
competent and they carry on with the trial this is after a psychological evaluation uh just a few days after that
01:16:15
uh this is when Casey tells the judge that she does not want to testify on her own behalf so for those of you that
01:16:22
didn't keep track during the trial or didn't watch the trial she actually never took the stand now the defense is
01:16:27
going to call a witness named Crystal Holloway yes and for me this is like the Matlock witness remember the old
01:16:36
courtroom show drama Matlock and once in a while they would you know not every episode but once in a while they'd pull
01:16:42
some witness or you person up to the stand and it was the witness that's totally out of left field somebody you
01:16:49
didn't expect to hear from the whole episode you never heard of this person and all of a sudden everything becomes
01:16:55
very clear well I don't know that this made anything more clear for me but what it did do was this was the witness out
01:17:01
of nowhere for me I didn't know who this person was and when they started making
01:17:05
these statements I thought wow this is this is truly truly a mystery here now Crystal Holloway she was actually a uh
01:17:15
volunteer that that that volunteered during some of these searches for Kaylee um and she was called To The Stand
01:17:22
because she well according to her testimony she states that she had an affair with
01:17:29
George Anthony and she states that George Anthony during the course of their relationship had told her that
01:17:36
kayle's death was simply an accident that snowballed out of control now under cross-examination she also agreed uh
01:17:45
with her earlier statement to police which she said George Anthony did not say that he knew it was an accident uh
01:17:53
which is pretty confusing in itself uh but the thing we have here okay um Judge Perry ends up telling the jurors that
01:18:04
Crystal Holloway's testimony could it could be used to impeach George Anthony's credibility but that it was
01:18:11
not proof of how Kaylee died so we get some additional instruction from from the judge to the jury there which is a
01:18:20
little more than what I think is necessary but when they go back and talk to George you know she claims she had an
01:18:26
affair with him and he denies that yes and he doesn't deny that he went to her house which I thought was kind of odd uh
01:18:33
cuz he claimed I think he went to her house three times yeah that's quite a bit well you're a married man I don't
01:18:41
know if you should be going over to a lady's house that many times that especially somebody that you just met
01:18:47
just just came into your life it's not like a longtime friend or anything yeah Crystal Holloway would claim that they
01:18:53
had a sexual relationship that they had a romantic Affair that went on for some time uh that they spoke not only you
01:19:01
know not only over the phone but they texted one another from time to time and furthermore that she loaned George quite
01:19:09
a bit of money I think it was like $5,000 or something like that which I kind of that to me kind of rings true of
01:19:17
a kind of a true statement cuz we know how much George had issues financially mhm so but we also have to take into
01:19:25
account you know where this is coming from right this is coming from a lady that got involved with the searches uh
01:19:32
some people want to find the missing baby right some people just want to be involved mhm right and I think this is
01:19:41
one of those people yeah I think she just wanted to be involved and when the searches are over okay I can you know is
01:19:48
it a madeup story that they had a fair I don't know is it a madeup story that George told her or something I don't
01:19:53
know right you know I I just I you know there's so many people on this case that lie yeah that it's hard to believe
01:20:04
anything anyone's saying well and I and I believe that she gave that she said that he told her that statement that it
01:20:12
was an accident that snowballed out of control before they found the body of Kaye now the other thing that the that
01:20:19
the defense would present is that she lived in one of those condo communities this Crystal Holloway and they had a
01:20:26
security guard from that from that condo community that had seen George going to
01:20:32
and from her condo on several occasions now like you said George does not deny that he went to visit her he does deny
01:20:41
any type of romantic relationship with her he denies that he ever borrowed any money from her he does state that he
01:20:48
visited her on several occasions he exchanged text messages with her um he was stating that she he was under the
01:20:55
impression that she had some form of cancer or a tumor and that he thought that he was you know she needed somebody
01:21:02
to talk with she needed somebody to spend some time with her and that he thought he was doing a good deed in
01:21:09
spending time with her and helping her through her her troubled time as far as closing statements go they did a lot of
01:21:16
just repeat they basically mirr what both the defense and the prosecution was trying to prove in their opening
01:21:23
statements and throughout the course of the trial one of the big differences here though was because bz didn't prove
01:21:30
or even try to prove any sexual abuse mhm that the they were ordered by the judge that you can't talk about that in
01:21:37
closing in your closing argument correct you can't bring that up correct you didn't and to me that's that's pretty
01:21:44
sneaky pretty slimy to make these allegations from the get-go to make all the jury go whoa what's going on here
01:21:52
here you can't unhear things sometimes mhm and I think that's kind of what Bas was doing there this is absolutely a
01:22:00
whale of a case everything that took place before and then we get to the trial was it the trial of the century
01:22:06
one could argue that you know the trial against the woman the most hated woman in America well it's a whale of evidence
01:22:12
right it's a all that all the lies and all that speculation of what was going on in those 31 days uh such a mystery
01:22:23
like we said the trial's huge now we have to go over the verdict mhm and then we have to go over the aftermath there's
01:22:30
all these odd things that keep popping up some stuff that just popped up recently and uh the parents have
01:22:37
interesting theories now looking back on things and then of course our thoughts on the troll I'm looking forward to that
01:22:45
Captain maybe tomorrow you know what maybe I'll take the handcuffs off you and and stop holding your back so much
01:22:51
regarding this I can't tell you guys how many times I've had to edit some of my bad words we'll certainly give you a
01:22:56
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