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makeup grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] Luca magnata was born in 1982 his birth
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name was Eric Newman his parents were very young when he was born and they divorced and he goes to live with his
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grandparents but they divorce as well Luca is diagnosed with depression in his high school years and he's prescribed
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medication now in 2004 is when he first gets in trouble right we see Luca he becomes friends with a 21-year-old girl
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online and she has the reported mental capability of a 12-year-old he would take advantage of
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their relationship and he ended up taking some of her credit cards and he used these to rack up about
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$10,000 worth of fraudulent charges MH now there's also the thought that he sexually assaulted this woman and
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videotaped it the sex charge is ultimately dropped he only ends up being charged with the fraud charge uh but at
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the time he is warned that you have a medical problem and you always need to take medication for this medical problem
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and if you don't your life is going to get messed up in his early 20s we're going to see Luca start trying to become
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some kind of a star some some sort of famous person yeah he's obviously seeking Fame and Fortune and we can see
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this by things he's trying out for you know we talked about he tried out for the show called plastic makes perfect a
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reality show he gets rejected for that uh he tries out for a show called cover guy it's about finding the next male
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underwear model uh and he is rejected for that he does some work in the uh porn industry he did a couple of of
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movies I guess um he also did some some dancing and escort work he was also featured in a Story by naked news I
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guess this is where they give you a news story but they also strip down as well yeah I believe on there he did like some
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kind of interview where he talked about his work in the adult entertainment industry and he didn't go by Luca
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magnata in this interview he went by one of his other aliases now with Luca we also see a developing fascination with
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serial killers um and it's pretty extensive how how much he gets into this Fascination to the point where we see he
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he claims well it's it's really presented as that somebody else is claiming this
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that he has some kind of relationship with the famous Carla hula um that they are dating one another that they're in a
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romantic relationship for people that aren't familiar with her who is she so Carla hula is was married to a guy named
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Paul Bernardo and one of the cases that they're famous for they were kind of dubbed the Ken and Barbie Killers uh
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because a lot of people thought they were very young and attractive looking well Carla she was convicted of
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manslaughter she participated in the rape and murder of three younger girls with her husband Paul now the thing is
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though she ended up kind of turning on Paul claiming that she was being physically abused by him and a lot of
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the evidence they had against Paul came from Carla the problem here though is Paul gets sent away for a long time and
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Carla gets a slap on the wrist where they both should have been sent away for a very very long time didn't they kill
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her sister or something yes one of the victims was her sister now the thing here is Carla
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because many people considered her to be attractive and the case was very strange
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and there's a sexual nature to the case those two became kind of famous you know
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in a bad way right uh in Canada it's very popular Canadian case and then the thing here is though you have a
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situation where at some point Carla's going to get out and so there was all this talk of once she got out where is
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she what is she up to much like we've seen in the United States with Casey Anthony where is she where is she hiding
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what's she up to is she in a relationship is she pregnant again she was in a movie called trolls well and
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there was a lot of rumor that hulco was somewhere on an island somewhere maybe she was I don't know I didn't follow it
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that much the thing here is the Island of Misfit murderers well he he links himself Luca links himself to this Carla
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Hoka saying that they have some kind of relationship together and you can he fabricates these pictures and puts
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together some kind of photo montage that would give you the impression that they're spending time together MH well
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you know who said it best Marilyn Manson any publicity is good publicity uh I don't know if he was the first one to
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say it but yeah well I think maybe he he he changed it and said bad publicity is
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good publicity right right whatever but Luca adapts this kind of theory right he
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adopts this Theory and he comes forward and he says you know what my name and reputation has been ruined by linking me
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to this Carla Hoka right what reputation well it's pretty obvious that he fabricated this whole thing and then he
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comes out to to as a rebuttal well later we would learn that remember those packages that were arriving with
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the return address of uh having been sent by a person by the name of Renee Borday M well the thing here is that
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ends up being Carla Hula's name later in life so there again we yeah there again
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we see him tying himself to this person that he believes is a famous serial killer and famous for killing people
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something that he also did that I found very strange is he would write his own Wikipedia post so it'd be like a post
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about Luca magnat and all the things that he was doing but since it wasn't legitimate uh Wikipedia would take him
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down and I heard this happen multiple times at least two maybe three times now he would on his Facebook he ends up
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posting a link to a video called three guys in one hammer this was a a video that was unfortunately pretty well
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watched at the time um it's a video of a man being beaten to death uh by a group
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of teenagers well then afterwards the three guys in the video they kind of became it became a bit of an Internet
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sensation a lot of people watch this video right um the thing here is ultimately these guys are captured and
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and caught and tried and convicted for their their crime right because it was a real murder it wasn't a hoax you and
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that's you know there's some issues I have here with a lot of these like uh crazy videos that people want to watch
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uh you I get I get that there's some Fascination by it but I I don't know I I don't know why people are watching these
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no and then here's here's a just a little bit of a warning today's you know we cover this stuff and we know that we
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cover a lot of gruesome stuff week after week but I feel compelled to put out of
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a bit of a warning here because today we're going to talk about something that we usually don't discuss on the show
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well yeah Nick ate a lot of beans last night so he's putting out the warning that he's gassy a little gassy no that's
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that's not it at all but what happens here Captain is that because of the the hype and the everything surrounding this
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video three guys and one hammer uh he Luca kind of locks on to this and I think he sees something that he wants to
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be a part of he sees something that he can he can throw out there he can create something throw it out there and maybe
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gain some notoriety of his own and this this is why I threw out the warning here
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because he starts well he someone quote unquote starts hyping a video called one
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guy and two kittens um and this video doesn't come out for for a little bit of time they're just hyping the video okay
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so let's talk about this uh one of the things that Luca does is he will create his profiles but he also creates these
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fictitious profiles so he basically has all these fictitious people that he's running their Pages for commenting on
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this video is coming right this new video is coming and and so hyping it to basically nobody right so when we say
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hyping it well it's going out to nobody and hoping that people come across these
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posts and come across the discussions these fake discussions and now all of a sudden they're excited or want to find
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out what this video is maybe they start talking about it right we'll see this time and time again with Luca basically
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playing both sides of the fence where he's setting up something and then he's also you know forming a rebuttal or or
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creating hype for something he's going to put out himself later well he does put out this video a video called one
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guy and two kittens and in the video what you can see this is the warning yes what you can see is a guy I'll keep it
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short a guy places two kittens in a bag and basically sucks the air out of the bag
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with a vacuum cleaner mhm um it's despicable stuff and unfortunately this video gets Luca quote unquote the fame
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he was looking for well he doesn't get Fame he's getting attention but to him it's giving him Fame yeah it's giving
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him the notoriety people were talking about him people were talking about the video online but they're not technically
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calling him Luca is what I'm the point I'm trying to make yes they're talking about this video because in the video he
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is unidentified right um so this is an extremely unhealthy Obsession of becoming famous to the point of hurting
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others or hurting creatures of any type um the thing here is this this unhealthy
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Obsession of his kind of creates and Sparks a healthy Obsession amongst others a Facebook group is started uh by
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a person named Ryan Bole he's a good man on a mission he very very quickly thousands of people join his army and
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his Crusade they are going to hunt this man in the video they're going to hunt the Creator and the person that they see
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in the one man and two kittens video and how they're going to hunt this person is
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going to do through do so with technology and through uh different computer and social media uh Avenues mhm
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they start looking for the man that they call the vacuum kitten killer or the serial cat killer um within about 24
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hours uh the killer released two photos um what we're going to see here is that we're going to see the person that
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they're hunting starts taunting the group that is hunting him right um then someone planted a photo on a website
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this is showing a man that is he's on a bed he's posing with kittens with two kittens these appear to be the same two
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kittens that were in the vacuum video that were killed in the vacuum video MH so then these uh you know web detectives
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decide hey this guy is probably the same guy right yeah and then what they start
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doing is is basically with metadata and all that stuff they can start trying to figure out where the picture was taken
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what time the picture was taken and basically through a bunch of their research they start realizing a lot of
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these a lot of these items that are in the video as far as couches or chairs or whatever match up with all these
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pictures that Luca has posted of himself in his apartment mhm and then after that
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while they're looking and they believe they're getting close to finding their guy someone creates a post or an email
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mhm and it reads the name of the kitten vacuumer you are looking for is Luca mcnada he was born in Russia lives in
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Los Angeles and has lived in several different countries the apartment in the video is located in West Hollywood hope
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this helps I am 100% serious and a lot of people suspected that this post was made by Luca himself yeah and now armed
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with this information with this name these web slop sluther these computer detectives they're going to go and look
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and find everything that they can find on a person named Luca mcnada now they start pouring through all of the images
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they can find of him online and like the Captain said they know that there's information inside those images embeded
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metadata yes and what they end up doing is they find a photo that will give them
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a GPS stamp uh this photo they learn was taken in Toronto Canada in late October
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um the images of him of Luca with the kittens were taken in November so they know that they're getting close to this
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guy and these these web detectives they passed their information to the police and now the police begin looking for
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Luca magnat now the thing here is Luca had officially changed his name to Luca mcnada in 2006 so this is this is a real
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name this isn't just a fake name he was going by this was a real name hey you want me to stay away from this
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subject um this was a real name I'm not changing my name legally to the captain however
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the the police learn very quickly that they're not able to just go to their system type in Luca mcnod and have a
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whole bunch of information come up this guy doesn't seem to have much of a paper
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trail you know he doesn't really exist on paper yeah they can't find an address for him they can't find like we said
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there's no paper trail for this guy and and just a reminder I mean like we talked about those those the allegations
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of sexual and the fraud fraudulent charges those are under a different name right so they won't even see him come up
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in the system on that then about a year later in November December of 2011 there were more videos posted um in
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one of these videos you can see a man wearing like a Santa Claus hat and he he feeds he feeds a kitten to a to a python
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a live kitten to a to a python in the other video a kitten is duct taped to a broom handle and drowned in a bathtub
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now the FBI you know it's no there's no secret here of what people believe this kind of
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behavior will lead to you know when you have somebody that are normal people can't do what he's
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doing in this these videos you know people that have a heart and have a soul don't do what he's doing in these videos
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this often leads to people committing crimes against human beings after these atrocities against animals and we've
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seen this multiple times with different serial killers on December 3rd the sun runs an article that is titled catch
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psycho who fed kitten to python now two days later this this is weird man again we see him reacting to his own behavior
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to his own actions two days later we have Luca magnat he walks into the sun to the newspaper and he denies that it
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was him he denies that it's him in the videos he denies that he has anything to do with this he's he's interviewed by um
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a journalist there Alex West now about two days later the son received this email that read it's fun watching people
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work so hard Gathering all of the evidence than not being able to name or catch me you see I will always win I
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always hold the trump card and I will continue to make more movies next time you hear from me it will be in a movie I
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Am producing that will have some humans in it not just [ __ ] right so what we have here is this individual the sick
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individual and at this point too that they know that there's some rumors that he's possibly connected to some serial
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killer or dated a serial killer right so we have evidence that he is harming these cats he's not harming them he's
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killing them he's a complete compl uh waste of breath as as far as I'm concerned um and now this is you know
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ramping up the seriousness on as on a Threat Level MH and it's after this threat captain that he moves Luca moves
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to Montreal and after moving there he starts promoting a video he starts promoting his new video that he's going
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to call One Lunatic and one ice pick mhm now but he also actually sends uh a video or post a video uh somewhere where
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it's like a it's the intro Montage to Catch Me If You Can mhm you know what I'm talking about that movie yeah Frank
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Aban not abali not Abigail Aban now well one of the things Captain to promote let's say promote this new movie that
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he's going to put out called One Lunatic one ice pick is someone posted on a website stating Luca magnata is an
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extreme L dangerous and sick psychopath he is incapable of feeling remorse Psychopaths can appear very charming and
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look beautiful but beware they are cunning and highly maniacal attached to this were links to
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news stories about the cat killer and then it was on May 25th that the video titled One Lunatic and one ice pick was
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published to the web right and so then we know what happens next right and so he's he's captured and now
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he has to be put on trial MCN elected to be Tried by judge and jury he pled not guilty uh admitting to the acts of which
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he was accused but claiming diminished responsibility due to mental disorders now right some of the evidence that they
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saw at the trial itself was parts of that video were shown to the jury and some of the evidence as well was six
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tools these were the tools that we talked about yesterday uh that were found recovered just outside of Luca
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magna's apartment these are items believed to have been part of the murder itself as well as the dismemberment of
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jun Lynn and they include a pair of scissors two knives a screwdriver and an oscillating saw and Hammer um these were
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never 100% directly linked to the murder but they were found in close proximity to such and as we said they were
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able unfortunately had to watch part of the video at the trial yeah and they and
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they found a psychiatrist that came forward you know after doing test and after talking with uh Luca as much as he
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did he came out to say well look he shouldn't he should be found a not guilty reason of insanity yeah his guilt
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was never a question it was what is his responsibility is he Criminal responsible for his acts and that was Dr
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Watts who came forward he said he interviewed uh magnata 40 or 40 more time 40 plus times yeah if you're
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interested in this like you know psychology and stuff like that this is a very interesting interview you can find
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it on YouTube pretty easy if you just type in the doctor's name one thing that he was learning Dr Watts was learning
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from magnata was that magnata believed that a witch named Debbie was constantly looking at him through uh Windows uh and
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he also stated that for a good part portion of his adult life and a lot of the evil things he did things that were
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depicted in those videos uh he was being controlled by some kind of person within
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him or or directed by someone only he could see yeah he was being controlled by a lie yeah you know this is all
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[ __ ] you know like I I do respect this doctor I mean I I respect the interview that I saw on him and some of
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his theories on Luca magnata but all this is just a bunch of malarkey this is a this is a sick individual that gets
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off on getting attention CU they never got attention when they were kid and all these stories about these witches and
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the demons telling them to do stuff it's a bunch of horeshit well I mean he we see from MCN that he has no problem
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being an actor he loves turning on that phone and recording himself and turning on the camera and and acting in in
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stories that he's creating you know so he has some evil creativity he has some acting ability I I'm with you I didn't
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get any bad vibes from that doctor from Dr Watts I I enjoyed his interview but I'm with you I think that this is a lot
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a lot of this is an act I think he had some pre-diagnosed conditions that would help
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further believe that he was probably suffering from a lot of things at the time but he ultimately he he ran he fled
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from from the crime not only that but you know he tried to cover his tracks M you know and and and stuff like that
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that's that's that's the thing to me it's like you know one I think this was premeditated you know we we talk about
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him hyping the video so it's all premeditated then he's trying to flee he was trying to you know be smarter than
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the the cops and anybody looking for him you know he kills you know cats you know
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piece of [ __ ] you killed a cat and then you're going to go online because you have zero friends zero things going on
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in your life and you're going to taunt people by killing cats you you're you're one of the biggest
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pieces of [ __ ] we've ever had to cover well and ultimately the trial doesn't last terribly long I think it was like
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12 weeks or something like that but ultimately he is convicted of the murder of jun Lynn um and you know for a while
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they were looking into Luca for other possible crimes um and I think they they tried to tie him to one that would took
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place in California um but there was really truly no link there yeah and and I you know I applaud this jury for
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looking at the evidence and saying hey look based off all these these things he's not you know criminally you know
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defined as being insane yes and the thing here is you know I've had some people ask me you
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know because of this particular case and we've seen other evidence of this as such on YouTube and Facebook and things
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like that I've had some people ask me you know what are your thoughts on on YouTube what are your thoughts about
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these violent crimes getting put on the web for people to see are you do you are
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you upset that these Outlets exist so creating people making people want to create these videos and put these things
00:28:59
out and the thing here is Captain in my humble opinion anytime I've heard about these or read about these stories I
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believe I'm hearing and reading about people that would commit these horrible crimes anyway um we might be in some way
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fortunate that they are dumb enough to put it on the web uh because it ultimately leads to their capture well
00:29:23
what are your thoughts on Luca as just an individual um I'm not going to lie to you I do see somebody that I believe
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suffers from some illnesses yeah he definitely has some mental illness the one the one that really where I called
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into question my own thoughts about Luca there's a video of him where he's I think he's like listening to Madonna and
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he looks like he's almost dressed himself up like Madonna like he's got the fake blonde hair and the Very he's
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put on a lot of powder on the face and the red lipstick and he it's called a typical Friday night bro and he he
00:29:58
he's coming off like he's giving some kind of interview or if somebody's asking him to be on camera MH and the
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thing that bothered me so much about it was he was believable to me it it it had
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I not known his personality had I not had more evidence about who this guy was I think I would have believed somebody
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else was in the room with him recording him and that caused me to question a lot
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of his his mental state however like you said like I said this is somebody that that fled from a crime he knew was wrong
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you know you can't be criminally insane if you do something and you know it's wrong and you flee the area yeah and the
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more I dove into this individual I mean there's parts of him that I feel bad for
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youan there was talk about being abused when he was a child and being beat a lot
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also just uh you know being kind of picked on in school but also maybe not even paid attention to where nobody even
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think he was the invisible kid or something so there's parts of that I feel bad for
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and then maybe that was the reason why he was trying to be famous it didn't seem like he was going after having a
00:31:05
skill I mean it's one thing if you want to be like a bodybuilder a m musician or
00:31:10
actor or something doesn't didn't seem like he want to do anything you don't want to get good at anything like when
00:31:15
he talks about well I go to the gym I go to the gym all the time you didn't LIF you didn't lift one single weight you
00:31:22
know maybe you lifted some Cheerios in the morning but uh so it you know all that stuff is very difficult for me uh
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cuz I feel bad on those levels uh and I also feel like you know maybe because of
00:31:36
the mental illness it made his fascination of wanting to be famous for almost no reason um like get way out of
00:31:45
control mhm and I think that's something when when they when they look into this
00:31:50
individual more and when you'll you'll see books eventually about him and movies about him I think they need to
00:31:56
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00:35:06
Godfather of True Crime well thank you very much it's uh a great pleasure I'm a big fan of the show so uh and always
00:35:13
interested in talk about True Crime Dan when the story first broke about Luca magnat what was your initial reaction
00:35:21
well it's after working with Sydney tier huse and uh the subject of trophy kill what I realiz this that we had a new
00:35:29
Legion of Psycho Killer where they didn't really have the time or the the will to kill 40 or 50 people to get
00:35:38
famous so they had to create a such a sensational crime and combine all the elements of all their serial killer
00:35:46
Heroes into one magnificent and shocking crime and I thought that's what Luca magnata had achieved so Dan did you know
00:35:54
that there was a suspect right away because when news was coming out down here we were unaware that there was
00:35:59
already a suspect and already a Manhunt underway did you anticipate a lengthy investigation I don't know if I I I
00:36:07
can't remember exactly what I thought in those terms but quickly I gathered as much information as was reported and
00:36:14
they soon found the body of uh Lyn Jun the 33-year-old computer science student and so the Manhunt was on and they were
00:36:25
looking for Luca magnata but but in the stories quickly there came to be the story of the kitten killer one boy two
00:36:32
kittens and the hunt the American and International Hunt for Luca magnat and they had named n Luca magnat was various
00:36:40
characters including the Barbie twins and the panzarella from Rescue Inc and these guys had identified Luca magnat as
00:36:48
the kitten killer and they were already on his tail reporting him to the police so that investigation helped identify by
00:36:57
Luca magnat and understand the story of Luca magnat so when he was on the run I knew he was a psychopathic killer a very
00:37:05
unique one uh that obviously posted the murder set to music on a site very much like somebody promoting a music video or
00:37:16
movie he had been online previously promoting this video that was to come and had actually spoken to a UK Sun
00:37:26
reporter and it predicted that he would be in a movie involving humans and wouldn't be
00:37:31
just [ __ ] anymore this is what quickly had come out from mainly from the investigation that was underway
00:37:38
looking for this kitten killer somebody who had affixiated a couple kittens on a
00:37:43
video and posted it on YouTube so very quickly there was enough of the story that I could see what kind of character
00:37:49
we had and then quickly they were tracking them internationally through interpool and they quickly made an
00:37:56
arrest so so it was a story that I quickly got immersed in and got a fair amount of information and then when the
00:38:03
trial came there was more supplementary information a very famous Canadian publication named Luca magnat the
00:38:12
newsmaker of the year now of course that's what he's trying to achieve with his actions does this solidify does this
00:38:21
validate his horrible and unspeakable actions well I think that was McLean's magazine cuz that's are pretty well
00:38:27
equivalent of say Time Magazine we don't have too many of those types of magazines but I think the nari that he
00:38:36
wanted to achieve I think they have a point there that it's in bad taste to call this person the newsmaker of the
00:38:43
year uh but yet at the same time it it conveys and supports the idea that Canadians are very very uh different
00:38:53
than Americans about the issue of True Crime and and in particular cases that Fascinate the public we don't have our
00:39:02
cases video uh videotape so are televised or any of the court cases televised so it's a completely different
00:39:10
environment and with that comes a completely different attitude so if you think Americans would be shocked by this
00:39:16
type of crime well Canadians are even more shocked and repulsed and really don't want to know the details you're a
00:39:24
ask your average Canadian do you know who Luc magn is they would say well yeah I heard of them but they would not be
00:39:30
able to give you recall any of the details of the case and it wasn't of particular interest to them there have
00:39:37
been no books about Luca magnata published whatsoever in Canada and one of the big debates in this case was Luca
00:39:45
magnat insane at the time of the murders yeah Luca's case often gets compared to
00:39:51
the Greyhound bus killer case in your opinion Dan was Lucas's in sanity was it an act or was it real well here's the
00:39:59
thing as I as I Chronicle in my episode Psycho Killer superstar that there was plenty of evidence to support that he
00:40:08
had a diagnosis of schizophrenia paranoid schizophrenia he had been hospitalized numerous times his father
00:40:15
was schizophrenic and recommended him to his own psychiatrist uh so it's well documented
00:40:22
he did have I don't know if you could say bipolar or schizophrenia any uh designation or diagnosis but definitely
00:40:30
mental illness that can be was documented and proven yet at the same time when you talk about the insanity
00:40:37
defense and you brought up the Greyhound bus cannibal killer where where you talk
00:40:43
of the definition of insanity where a person would well that the Greyhound bus killer would fit that definition
00:40:52
with uh Luca magnana trying to evade capture doing all this promotional stuff for years creating 70 Facebook accounts
00:41:04
creating rumors about himself dating Carla hamala on half of the serial killer Bernardo and
00:41:11
hamala everything he did to create a different or a an image of himself as more successful so again delusions of
00:41:22
grander and again narcissism on display the Nordy that he he craved and yet at the same time he could
00:41:32
be schizophrenic it could be bipolar could be paranoid schizophrenic and yet he could be a psychopathic killer he
00:41:39
could be both and I think that's what we had here and I think because usually there is some Traction in court not just
00:41:48
with the Greyhound bus killer but other cases that I've reported on where the insanity defense is now a pretty good
00:41:56
defense whether your client is insane or not because we have a different definition than the American courts on
00:42:04
that insanity but I think the public was so revulsed by this person not only killing
00:42:11
this human being just to be famous and just for the experience and just for the notoriety and then sending body parts to
00:42:19
the Canadian government officials which they received and to an elementary school which was luckily
00:42:27
intercepted that this person didn't get much traction in court whatsoever with the insanity defense and I think from my
00:42:36
experience that Luca magnana did not want to be known as a somebody to feel sorry for uh a sick killer he wanted to
00:42:46
be known as a person that was a psychopathic killer that posted his disgusting video of necrofilia and
00:42:55
cannibalism and dismemberment set to music he wanted to be an original a unique more shocking more
00:43:04
Sensational and utilizing social media like no one else had used and utilized before so the answer is that I think he
00:43:15
was proven to be mentally insane have serious issues like schizophrenia and bipolar
00:43:25
disorder and yet you look at this crime per definition of insanity he doesn't fit the
00:43:31
bill and he also fits the bill as a totally Psychopathic killer so not only is your guys's definition of you know
00:43:41
criminally insane different than ours but the sentencing is different as well how would have Luca's punishment been
00:43:49
different from what he received had he been found not criminally responsible well in his case he was convicted
00:43:56
convicted of first-degree murder with a minimum of 25 years before parole eligibility the
00:44:04
insanity designation means that for example the Greyhound bus cannibal killer has no criminal record whatsoever
00:44:12
it's not murder it's not even a criminal conviction he's released without a criminal record and changes his identity
00:44:20
and is free to go so now we just have another case of a person was not criminally responsible he killed a
00:44:29
police officer with a snowplow and he has been released after 6 years which is the same amount of time
00:44:36
as the Greyhound bus cannibal killer 6 years so you can see there's a huge difference uh in the amount of time that
00:44:46
you may be able to serve so you you can see that also that the small very very minuscule percentage of
00:44:56
Insanity a successful Insanity defenses in the US pales in comparison to the defenses that have been used recently
00:45:06
especially and the advances in the insanity defense in Canada make it I think that predictably a lawyer would be
00:45:16
doing the best thing for his clients so I think they are sometimes when it looks
00:45:21
like it when people say that crime seems to be insane I think then can at least attempt for their clients an insanity
00:45:29
defense which will mean that their client can be out in as little as 6 years and who knows with precedent
00:45:37
setting cases in this country if that six years for for the most extreme killer like the Greyhound bus killer you
00:45:46
can imagine it maybe people with just one murder one not so sensationalistic murder may be released even in less time
00:45:53
well it's insane to think that Luca magnat would have been out just in 6 years for this horrendous crime if he
00:46:00
would have been found criminally insane mhm Dan from an Outsiders perspective it
00:46:06
appears that Canada might be focusing on treatment and Rehabilitation for violent
00:46:11
offenders is this progress or is this a step back I don't think it's progress when the psychiatrist for Vincent Lee
00:46:21
the Greyhound bus killer said after 5 years before the release or say four years that Vincent Lee hadn't
00:46:32
hallucinated in a year and he was confident that because he had responded so well to the
00:46:40
medication again under a completely super controlled environment and then he was released for fresh air walks and
00:46:48
visits to the beach and gradually more and more restrictions were L were lifted but as far as I could see from all my
00:46:57
experience being an older person and looking at this kind of stuff for years is that it looked like they were really
00:47:06
interested in making Vincent Lee a sort of a poster boy for psychiatric reab Rehabilitation which means drugs it
00:47:16
means antis psychotic medication and then people will say well how do you know they're going to take the
00:47:21
medication and I say well how do you know the medication Works how and and they set the risk the
00:47:28
psychiatrist laugh to me it's laughable that he would set the risk factor at 2% saying well listen
00:47:38
there's only about two or 3% chance of of reoffending yeah that's Malarkey and another case where they just let out the
00:47:46
guy said that killed the police officer after 6 years they have two nurses doctors uh Health officials go and and
00:47:55
give him his medication twice a day on the weekdays and once a day on the weekends so if that's the kind
00:48:02
of precautions you have to do to make sure that this person that you've already deemed is harmless in society
00:48:10
remains harmless then it really is a tether that really is only conditional on whether whether those drugs always
00:48:19
work and always work so well and very little monitoring by any psychiatrist again this is what we're faced with in
00:48:28
terms of the fear in in the US that a person responsible for some of these type crimes would someday possibly be
00:48:37
exiting the hospital to possibly reoffend we don't have that we have the possibility that they there's not a
00:48:45
possibility they will be released it looks like there'll be no reason not to release these
00:48:52
people regardless of the offense and in short order and the tether is the guarantee is the efficacy of those anti
00:49:05
that antis psychotic medication we've seen recently that Luca magnat was scheduled to be married uh there's some
00:49:12
things coming out in letters where he's stating that he gets to watch movies he gets movie channels he can watch any
00:49:18
title that he wants he's been on dating websites uh where is the punishment is this to many freedoms when does Luca
00:49:28
start to feel like he is being punished that he is a person living in a cage he didn't provide any of these privileges
00:49:35
to his victim it doesn't seem like he's being denied a lot of privileges now well yeah it kind of seems like the
00:49:42
parents sent the kid to the room for the punishment but by the way there's a big
00:49:46
screen TV internet access and all this stuff what kind of punishment is that it feels and it sounds like he's at summer
00:49:53
camp he's just not allowed to leave well I wish I could tell you that he wouldn't
00:49:57
be eligible for conjugal visits but I think he made me eligible for conjugal visits it's uh I understand and I
00:50:08
believe in Rehabilitation but I don't believe like very many people and the experts agree with with me I would think
00:50:15
well they do in that there are certain crimes and certain criminals that cannot be rehabilitated as simple as
00:50:22
that and so rehabilitation in general for people in carceration in prisons absolutely a a bright idea and a proven
00:50:32
good idea but it's not a proven good idea to think you can rehabilitate people simply
00:50:38
with the amount of time and as we found out too just because someone is of good behavior in
00:50:45
prison they could certainly reoffend and you're seeing things in Canada that I've
00:50:50
spoken about on my program about murder turning into manslaughter with diminished responsibility say with
00:51:00
alcohol that if a person were were drunk then that murder charge now turns into a manslaughter and that
00:51:09
manslaughter even though you could get life sentence the precedent setting typical sentence is 10 years or less and
00:51:17
we've seen in Canada things that would be regarded in the US easily as murder regarded as manslaughter and that person
00:51:28
in a prison situation is doing two or three or 4 years and then released again and now we just see in the little small
00:51:38
place and I'm right now the same situation where another person that was charged previously for murder is
00:51:46
released and is charged again Dan you wrote a book called trophy kill and in that book you cover the case of Sydney
00:51:52
tuse there are a lot of obvious similarities between that case you covered and the Luca magnat case can you
00:52:00
tell us about your experience and about the book trophy kill trophy kill featured Sydney tier Hughes and when he
00:52:09
saw an opportunity to become famous for killing he took a victim and dismembered
00:52:19
him almost surgically and then cut him into eight pieces castrated him and did a bunch of mutilations and
00:52:27
then reassembled him crudely again obviously not literally but for display and for shock
00:52:36
value and because the victim had stolen Susan sandon's gold necklace from the movie shall we dance the gold necklace
00:52:44
was found at the crime scene which sent the story around the world because of the
00:52:53
celebrity connection now now nobody wanted especially the movie business didn't want any connection to their
00:52:59
movie shall we dance with this and so they said the the jewelry had nothing to do with the motive for the killing but
00:53:06
the jewelry had everything to do with the motive for the killing because that killer Sydney tier who thought he could
00:53:11
get famous by butchering a human being being in such a sensationalistic manner but he didn't stop there he went
00:53:19
and contacted journalists and some of them were very very shy about getting involved in this case in the case in
00:53:27
particular and I wasn't and so I became involved and he revealed all kinds of things about the the
00:53:35
necrofilia his utter enjoyment of the defiling and the dismemberment and everything involved
00:53:43
with this experience of killing and these are the kinds of stories that would appear in the Canadian
00:53:49
media uh Sydney tus seemed to be competing with his Heroes as he told me his Heroes uh Jeffrey dmer Dennis neelsen
00:53:59
John Wayne gasy Ted Bundy he'd been influenced these were his role models his serial killer Role Models he was
00:54:07
influenced by all of the successful serial killers in the US because really just like a musician or
00:54:15
an author or a Movie Maker there is no success in Canada unless you have American success so we all dream in
00:54:22
Canada of being successful in the US in arts and when these people believe they're artists they're
00:54:28
filmmakers very much like the filmmaker in Edmonton uh that lured somebody into his
00:54:37
his garage to film and kill and then document what he had done because he was a filmmaker and Sydney saw the
00:54:45
dismembered body as his art creation he he described the body as a human trophy hence the title trophy kill and
00:54:55
so Luca magnata had seen the success of the filmmaker Mark twitchell in Edmonton
00:55:02
and he made it to dat Line 2hour special and then Sydney tus made the front pages
00:55:08
and then all around the world because it was a celebrity connection and so by the time Luca
00:55:15
magnana came around he was aware as these guys all are aware of the upcoming serial killers on the
00:55:23
rise and the legend and what the Legends did and how they became the leaders the most infamous and
00:55:35
he said well necrofilia cannibalism filming it so that it's for posterity it's captured forever posting
00:55:45
it on social media on a Gore site that has 10 thousands of people visit every day then creating the hype and creating
00:55:54
a whole interesting model porn star background for himself reality star background for himself created by
00:56:04
himself so that's what the connection was is that Sydney tried to outdo everybody else and get famous with one
00:56:12
and then intimate that he was and insinuate that he was a serial killer and Luca magnata didn't have the Tim
00:56:19
like the Green River Killer to kill 49 so he just killed one in the most sensational istic manner he could think
00:56:27
of so is there are similarities there's similarities in the same kind of mindset
00:56:33
and they are not alone but it's a new Legion of killers that love the attention from social media like Killers
00:56:44
have done in the past but these in a different Society this is even more important is the fame from the murder
00:56:52
it's it's crazy to me because it seems like the these psychopaths are doing anything they can to become famous even
00:56:59
if that's murder yeah Dan is this a new form of sickness is this a new illness that that the internet has brought to us
00:57:08
seeking fame and fortune through murder I think it's a symptom of the madness that we live in where uh compulsion and
00:57:20
Obsession and Distortion of fact not Distortion of fact Distortion of reality if people are living lives that are
00:57:30
unsatisfying but yet can live online and live a different life at least they think that's the that that's the attempt
00:57:40
I think it's a symptom symptomatic of sort of a Mad World you have all kinds of people that really haven't achieved
00:57:48
anything and and yet they want to do something like this just for the notoriety just to be famous at something
00:57:56
and I think it's an a misunderstanding that everybody has the same kind of values I think there are a lot of people
00:58:03
through a lot of various reasons uh they just are the opposite and of a lot of people and have
00:58:12
different values and completely have been conditioned to think differently about
00:58:19
the world and they're angry and they don't achieve much and they think they're not a part of something and I
00:58:27
think when you have just enough people interested in the same deviant thing that you may be interested in it gives
00:58:36
that person comfort and thinking that they are finally in part of a community that understands them so I I think
00:58:44
mental illness can be combined with the same Psychopathic uh tendencies that and
00:58:52
put those things together and and things like drug abuse as well you you can have
00:58:57
a combination of things factoring in to some of these crimes and some of these killers I'm still kind of freaking out I
00:59:07
figed after about 20 minutes or so I'd calm down but we we're in the garage with Dan zupansky Godfather of True
00:59:15
Crime pretty wild and Dan we really appreciate your time here today is there anything regarding this case that stood
00:59:21
out to you uh any lasting impression anything that we didn't get to like I talk about and I think which is the most
00:59:29
horrifying Twilight Zone esque kind of aspect of it is that the father of the victim ly Jun traveled from
00:59:37
China um really couldn't understand the language so much but he came to attend the trial and at the end unbelievably
00:59:45
this unrepining Psycho Killer through his lawyer agreed with ly jun's father that ly John's father would
00:59:55
want to speak with Luca magnat because he had unanswered questions about the death of his son and
01:00:03
I could almost hear the music from Twilight Zone when I was reading that because that would be the most
01:00:09
horrifying experience I think for him and the most gratifying experience for Luca magnata yeah you're you're exactly
01:00:18
right hey thank you Dan for calling into the garage it was a pleasure having you
01:00:22
in the garage with us this evening yeah thank you Dan and congratulations on your book trophy kill very well done and
01:00:30
the success of your podcast true murder thank you very much uh I'm a big fan of True Crime garage thank you very much
01:00:36
Nick have a great day wow I think we made it I think we made it we had the Godfather calling into the garage to
01:00:44
talk with little old captain and little old Nick yeah I think we got a new new friend of the show in Dan zansky well
01:00:51
that's cuz he didn't meet us in person it was a very Wayne's World moment you know like when they met uh
01:00:57
Alice Cooper and they're going we're not worthy we're scum we're slime Dan zansky just put out his hand
01:01:06
and kissed the Rings right so the recommended reading this week is of course pick up Dan zupansky book trophy
01:01:14
kill the shall we dance murder and you heard him talk about it in his own words if regarding the Luca magnat case
01:01:22
there's so many similarities here you almost feel like he was somewhat inspired by the killer that is featured
01:01:29
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01:02:19
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01:02:26
produce the show right sounds fantastic all right hope you enjoyed the two-parter on puka not thank you to talk
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