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crime [Music] thank you [Music] [Music] foreign [Music] I just spoke with Tinley Park's police
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chief he tells me this sketch was released on the eve of the anniversary on purpose because people tend to have
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the most interest in this cold case this time of year the new 3D image is now hanging inside the police station and
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its broadcast everywhere it is an enhanced version of a previous sketch drawn from an eyewitness account in
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2008. the new photo uses facial identification technology to make it more lifelike now whoever that man is
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entered a Tinley Park Lane Bryant 10 years ago and announced a robbery he ordered a group of women into a back
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room tied them up with duct tape and shot five of them dead one of the victims dialed 9-1-1 police released a
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snippet of that call years ago 9-1-1 emergency stay on the line stay on the line
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police say the suspect's voice can also be heard on the background of that call detectives have now isolated The Voice
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although his words are almost indistinguishable Tinley Park's Chief says one to two new
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tips come in on the case every week they hope this sketch and voice recording will give them even more leads
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can you believe it's been 10 years no it's time goes by but we've worked on it steadily for 10 years continue to
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work on it there's five women that that need us to clear this up [Music] in the trailer there Captain we hear the
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news reporter asking the police chief can you believe it's been 10 years and that's exactly the case here in 2008
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five women were killed inside of the Lane Bryant store in what police would describe as a botched robbery or a
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robbery turned violent now you hear the police chief there stating no we cannot believe that it's been 10 years this is
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a case that they've worked very hard they've spent millions of dollars trying to find the guy that shot these five
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women to death we also still 10 years later they have a full-time officer working the case as
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well as another officer that works the case part-time over the years I've I've heard from this detective that
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there have been three times throughout the last 10 years where he believed that they were very close to solving the case
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that they had a suspect three times they had a suspect that they liked so much they thought that they were going to be
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able to provide the families with some justice finally after all these years now or at least bring charges to these
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suspects and today we know that they currently do not have any suspects or anyone that they have named
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publicly as a suspect in this case now I do before we get into some things today
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we got a lot to cover we want to go through the 9-1-1 call we want to go through some vehicles that were in the
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area at the time some things that could lead us into some thoughts about our suspect here but before we do so Captain
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I kind of wanted to highlight some pieces of the investigation along the way so in the very early parts of the
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investigation remember we said that that police had one thing working in their advantage and that was the a Tinley Park
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police officer was parked in a vehicle just it was adjacent to the parking lot of the Lane Bryant at the time of the
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9-1-1 call yeah about 200 yards away yes so this officer was on the scene within
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just a couple of minutes yeah a couple minutes after that there's going to be multiple law enforcements that are going
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to be at the scene yeah they're they're showing up and arriving to the area multiple Police Department Apartments
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the the Chicago PD helicopter was was in the air shortly after the crime was discovered so what's so weird here
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Captain is that we have this guy that he kills these women he walks out of the store we can see the huge police
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response that's going on in the area almost immediately afterwards and yet somehow this guy is able to disappear as
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soon as he leaves the store he's not highly noticeable he's he gets away somehow he's able to slip back into the
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fold or hide in the background well and we but we do have on video camera two cars that that left one being asked you
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V one being a sedan now police investigated they did investigate whether the killer had any connections
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to one of the victims um because as we had stated in the last episode most robbers probably wouldn't
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hit a clothing store early in the morning and probably wouldn't stay 40 minutes like this guy did
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for the first 51 days of the investigation nearly 50 investigators worked to find the Lane Bryant killer
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together they logged over 30 000 hours on the case the the cost of the investigation surpassed four hundred
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thousand dollars this was just in the first 51 days another interesting thing here Captain
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when we talk about the pursuit of this man the pursuit of the killer that fled police even locked down stores in the
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area including a Super Target PetSmart and Office Max searching the area with guns drawn this
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case has been it's been interesting to research in the sense that I know a guy that lives in the greater Chicago area
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he's not in law enforcement but he's familiar with law enforcement and so he and I over the past couple weeks have
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been trading a lot of emails back and forth about this case and one thing that he told me was that his his name we'll
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call him Greg I didn't get it permission if I'm allowed to use his name but anyway one thing he told me was that his
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wife had been in a store that was just within a mile of the Lane Bryant store at the time of the killings and she was
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at this uh place called dinner by Design and she was there with several friends of hers and the during this time the
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Tinley police stormed in they they had their hands on their holsters some of them had guns drawn and they locked the
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door behind them when they came in to search the business now once the business was cleared they told everybody
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what had happened and said that everybody needed to stay inside and they locked the doors as they
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left the uh the store and then went on to clear another store so they were they were heavily heavily in pursuit of this
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man with cars helicopters and on foot well not only the immediate response was huge by law enforcement but they've
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continued to work this heavily and use every technology that they can yeah and they've allowed this to take them down
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some different Avenues in pursuit of this person they even used the IRS to do some background searches for them they
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used NASA they had NASA pool satellite images of vehicles that were in Lots outside of
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the store within minutes of shots being fired the secret service has helped with
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phone records foreign police agencies have run ballistics tests for this case Illinois State Police have screened
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weapons that get turned in or brought back to see if they can match it to the handgun that was used by the Killer and
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I'm assuming that they probably ran the DNA as well that's a that's an interesting question
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and I do do you want to get into that now because I know you're kind of chomping at the bit to get at that let
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me I'll tell you what let me wrap this up real quick so I don't forget something
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okay I just wanted to mention that in this year alone to show you the activity involved in the community here is that
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just this year alone they have they have received 87 leads that were called in and over the course of the 10 years
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they've investigated and received more than 7 000 leads total since the murders so investigators have gone as far as
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London to check new fingerprint technology on the shell casings that were found that day in the village
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Tinley Park has spent nearly two million dollars on this investigation so the detectives have continued to filter
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through these leads up to this day they're going to continue to do so they've they've categorized and logged
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all these leads and they've investigated them all so a huge effort as you had had
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stated now regarding the DNA this is a big point of contention for me and it doesn't seem to be a point of
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contention for anybody else when you start looking into this case and what I mean by that is
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I'm not convinced that either a that they have DNA or that they have good DNA right and here's here's my thoughts on
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this and and okay so in doing research for this case one one place that it led me
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and I think you you fell into this as well was Reddit there's a lot of discussion about this
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case on Reddit yeah and it's I love Reddit by the way it's yeah but it's as far as a resource it's not always the
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best investigative tool because there's there's a lot of conversation on there there's a big conversation on there
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that's that's a unique one and a good idea a very good idea is that the reason why this case might not be solved is
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that all these years police have said that they're looking for a man yeah where where in fact this might be a
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woman aha got him something um that's my gut feeling for whatever reason before we even you
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know researched this at all for what for whatever reason I was watching some report uh some old news report and I
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just went I don't think it's a man well and then my first response to that is well they have DNA right right and my
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first thought then would be well if they have DNA and they've said for 10 years that they're looking for a man they
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wouldn't want to screw up their investigation they need the Public's help here right they would not want to
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screw up their investigation and say that they're looking for a man when in fact it's a woman that they would never
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do that so that has led people to believe that they've tested the DNA that they had and it's the the evidence
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points to it being a man right but maybe they don't have good enough DNA that's where I question this whole thing yeah
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or what if you you have eyewitness right we have a surviving witness and for the
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record she's always said it's a man right she believes it to be a man which I think we're calling her Martha yes so
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Martha says I believe that this guy it was a man then they get the DNA back from under
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the fingernails possibly because we have fingernail clippings and we get touch DNA back possibly right and then they
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test it and they go oh well there's some female DNA here this must be the victim's DNA
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and that is contaminant right well because if it were separate they could decipher that
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it's separate and they could figure out that it came from the victim you know they would they would test the victim as
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well ah but not always I mean we've seen cases where they've tested people and then accusations that you know
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somebody's kid is not their kid that was you know I mean so I see what you're saying so Labs can get this wrong so but
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I just wonder if that threw them off and they were like well this DNA evidence is
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no good because we don't have uh any sign of male DNA evidence in this test is what I'm saying I I think you lost me
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because I I think the the counter argument has always been it has to be a man because they have DNA evidence right
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but I don't think that was why they think it's a man I think they think it's a man because of eyewitness and I have
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not seen anywhere that they said we tested DNA evidence and it's a man thank you thank you now now here sorry
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I'm a little frustrated all right but before we get too far into this captain my my gut feeling is that it's that it's
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a man but I'm you're my boy I'm gonna take you back here my boy blue well and the reason why I will not discredit the
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the possibility of it being a woman is this any time that I've seen a debate on if it's a man or a woman the the
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the person always tries to end the debate supporting the fact that it's a man by stating they have DNA they would
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know if it's a man or a woman they've always said it's a man so it has to be a man
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like you just said though researching this case for two weeks I couldn't find anywhere I couldn't find
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uh I couldn't find it printed in any newspaper I couldn't find it where the video footage of of a officer a
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detective a police chief at any time outrightly stating we have DNA of this suspect they they always hint that they
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might have DNA they always throw out statements that would suggest that they have DNA that doesn't mean that they
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have DNA on this guy or girl this what this means is they could be trying to put this person off kilter they could
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probably be trying to put this person off ease we have DNA that you left at the crime scene because we have
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fingernail clippings or we found blood underneath one of the victim's fingernails there were things that were
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left at the crime scene this just implies that they have DNA they never outwardly state that they 100 percent do
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and not only did you were you unable to find that I was unable to find that and I emailed my friend quote unquote Greg
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in Chicago who was well aware of this case and he said the same thing at no point have I ever come across where the
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police are outwardly saying that they in fact have DNA and to further that that they've tested it to confirm that it's a
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man so I think if that's going to be your argument your counter punch there it doesn't work for me because when you
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throw that out there and you state that that is that is a fact please post that link underneath your
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argument so we can verify that check the box and make sure that it's no longer a
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concern so this is where we give the homework portion from time to time on the show Captain if anybody if anybody
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finds can find a link where there is a officer directly involved in this investigation that is being quoted in a
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newspaper or being interviewed and and we can see the words coming out of their mouth that they have DNA please post a
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link to that on our blog at truecrime garage.com right and so the other problem too is that they said that this
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in the suspect was possibly five nine to six foot tall so you're talking about a
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gap maybe three inches but now if you go three inches lower now you're talking about a gap of five or a height of five
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six to five nine which would be more stereotypical female height so I I don't know and then the big thing
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for me is the 9-1-1 call now what police have stated or multiple media sources have stated as they believe that you can
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hear the suspect's voice on the 9-1-1 call yes so do you want to get to that yes
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let's go ahead and play the 9-1-1 clip that we played yesterday stay on the line stay on the line let me
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get you to Tinley Park don't hang up foreign real quick here I want to throw this out
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to the listeners there's a toll-free number out there where you can call and you can hear a longer version of this
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911 call and they actually replay the portion that they believe to be the suspect which is heard in the background
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and on our clip that we just played you can hear the suspect well what we believe to be the suspect a little bit
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in the background as well now we didn't include this version on the show because
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frankly the audio that the captain just provided that 911 clip that is shorter the audio from that is much better than
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a lot of the stuff out there even that what you will hear on this toll-free number but the number for anybody out
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there that's interested and this is also where you can provide tips too and that's the key thing with this number
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here the number is 866-853-6222 and that's a number that has been put up and paid for by the 10
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Finley Park Police Department again that number is 866-853-6222 you can call that hear a
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longer version of the clip and you could leave a tip there as well with your information now let's talk about that
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9-1-1 clip a little bit here Captain because there is a portion that they do not play
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In that clip that we played and it's where you can hear what is believed to be the suspect talking before Rhoda
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hangs up the phone with 9-1-1 now what I did because I had I had a lot of trouble trying to
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decipher to decipher what this suspect is saying and so what I did was I got online and I did a bunch of hunting
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around and I thought you know what Let's find let's find the general consensus of
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others out there of what they believe that they are hearing now mind you this is very choppy a lot of it's not full
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sentences but some of the things that are believed to be being said by the suspect in the background is as follows
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that after the after Rhoda is told not to hang up the phone you hear the suspect going on about something
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and it's believed that he or she I guess I should say is possibly saying the following relax
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get over here you're such a hero right now that you're such a hero right is is a um one portion
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of the tape that is highly talked about but it seems the general consensus seems
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to be that the word hero is somewhere in there because I've seen other versions that are very close to that that says
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something like don't be a hero huh or you don't want to be a hero right so something about a hero
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it's also believed to be heard that he says you're going to die you're lucky and I'm losing it now during the course
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this is one thing that we are not hearing and Tenley Park police have been upfront about this
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during the course of that suspect kind of rambling on and it actually sounds like he is kind of directing the
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hostages or yelling directly at one of them in the background there are responses from the victims that are in
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the room with him that the police have edited out before it was released to the public right so there's more information
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on the original tape that they're not going to release and I think probably for good reason
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um but the one thing that I seem to be able to make out pretty clearly is that one line of I'm losing it now I don't
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know that I hear exactly that maybe a different slightly different version of that sentence but the word losing seems
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to be pretty clear at some point in this audio at the beginning I hear almost like a yo I'm tired of yelling yeah so
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let's just play the clip one more time well let me just Loop the one part where it's you can clearly tell it's somebody
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else like the third person if you will on the call the suspect stay on the line one more time
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right so if I have to mimic that right it's like yo I'm gonna die again no no no no no right well what I hear is
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and this is not this is not a portion of the tape that we've analyzed I don't know that others have tried to figure
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out what the suspect is saying there because the the whispering coming from the victim and the dispatcher so
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prominent here right I don't know that this has been but it's not important that's what I'm saying what's not
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important what I'm saying is not that important on what the person in the background saying if this is the suspect
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what I'm doing is just yo no no no no right that's that's my point on making it more of a it's a it's a woman's voice
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it's a woman's range I mean you you'd think of as a man and be like yo I'm tired of yelling that's way down here
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we're talking you have to go up pretty high and the mail register to to hit What notes they're that they're saying I
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mean even when you speak you're speaking in notes does that make sense so that's
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what I'm saying me it's like it doesn't even matter what they're saying it's like to I audibly hear if that is the
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suspect in the background and not a victim because we do have uh well we have one victim on the phone so we have
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four other victims that would be in the room if if they believe they're that they're not talking and that is the
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suspect to me that's a female voice right and and but at the same time though I kind of point out what I think
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I hear the person to be saying because I think that tells you if it is the suspect or if it is one of the other
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victims and because to me it almost sounds like the person is saying I'm tired of yelling looking for
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blah blah blah almost like the person is is announcing to the people that they've
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taken hostage that I'm tired of asking you all these questions why isn't buddy anybody telling me the answers I want to
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know I'm looking for this I'm looking for this and then I'm going to leave I'm getting tired of you not helping me out
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I came here looking for money and I've not found very much money now I understand I I get your point because
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when you isolate that spot on the tape and you play it back the couple of times that you did is the pitch higher than I
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anticipated hearing knowing that I believe the suspect to be a man the answer is yes that pitch is higher than
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I anticipated to here however I I just you know our our voices do funny things um everything does funny I'm just
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stating that this is uh I didn't do some funny things this is a heightened situation this is not a calm situation
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on either part the victims or the suspect and I know that sometimes when people are yelling some people project a
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higher pitch at times uh thrown into a stressful situation somebody's pitch could go up or down uh depending on
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their emotion at the time as well with this individual is angry or scared themselves who knows what their voice
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could do but I agree with you Captain a higher pitch than I would anticipate uh regarding a male suspect of that size
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9-1-1 emergency stay on the line stay on the line let me get you to Tinley Park don't hang up
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[Music] [Music] all right we're back cheers and you know what Captain I know him a few days early
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but uh we won't have another show out before then so happy birthday to you my friend I'm officially old it's a
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captain's birthday Ahoy Ahoy all right back to the case you've been drinking too much well I thought you
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were gonna give me like a nice cheers back and instead of nothing happened it's not your birthday you know nothing
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happened but uh you know usually somebody goes cheers somebody else goes cheers and then you move on
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um okay surveillance footage now one thing we've touched upon a little bit here Captain there were some
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surveillance footage some video taken from the Target Superstore across the street now it's estimated that these
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cameras well not estimated it's reported that these cameras were roughly a hundred yards away from the what we're
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about to talk about and this being two vehicles that were spotted in the lane in front of the Lane Bryant store that
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we're leaving the parking lot around the same time as it's estimated that the suspect was leaving yeah here's a couple
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problems with this first of all is the time correct on surveillance like in many cases that we've covered there's
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been cameras but the the times weren't correct right so that is one thing that we have to think about with this
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surveillance well I I think we can the I've seen the time stamps on the surveillance footage and it is a little
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off of this Mark a bit but the report that I found that I find to be the most credible states that they
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believe that these vehicles were seen exiting or leaving those spots sometime between 10 46 and 10 49 a.m so that'd be
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off the the time would be off on the on the actual tape correct just slightly um in a few minutes and I think I think
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the time stamp on the surveillance footage if I remember correctly is slightly ahead of that it's running a
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little faster than that but the way that they can kind of determine how accurate
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the time is is we have within you know within maybe minutes or seconds even we have a general idea of what time the
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police officer is going to state that he arrived on the scene so once once they can confirm using the other surveillance
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footage what time these vehicles were seen leaving they can compare that in comparison to when the officer arrived
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to see how close they can get to that time now what are we seeing in the video well first off anybody out there that
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has seen this video will 100 back me up on this this is some grainy footage right that was taken from approximately
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100 yards away and you police have even commented on this to the point of stating that you know while this is
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helpful to the investigation what it does not allow them to do because of the distance is read license plate numbers
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right or to possibly identify people that might be sitting inside these vehicles but what it does show is a
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small black SUV and a black sedan now both of these vehicles are at the at the Lane Bryant and then leaving around the
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time of the shooting so the thought here is when police are asking the community
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for help you know the first thing that they're going to ask is that the driver of of
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these vehicles come forward right you know if you were if you were at Lane Bryant around this time and this is your
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car come forward we just want to talk to you see if you saw anything even if you
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think it's nothing we want to know what you know I find one thing a little interesting here though if you listen to
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early reports it states that police are looking for the driver of the small black SUV as
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well as the black sedan then if you fast forward like months later they seem to still be looking for the
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driver of the small black SUV but we don't we don't hear them outwardly asking for the driver of the black sedan
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to come forward so I don't know if that means that that person has come forward identified themselves told them what
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they know and it's nothing and they want their identity to remain anonymous it's
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generally believed that the driver of the SUV could be our suspect yeah and I've seen on several sites we talked
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specifically about the Reddit site where they did name um several possible models makes and
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models of that SUV that's how bad the footage is that being a Honda or a Kia possibly a Toyota I I've not been able
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to find where police have stated we believe it was this make this model this year nowhere could I find that so for
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purposes of staying on task I think that we can continue to report that it is a small black SUV that is in question and
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again it seems to be that out of these two vehicles it's believed that the suspect might have been in that fleeing
00:33:43
the scene in that small black SUV well what's important about this is if you knew about this case lived in the area
00:33:50
if there was somebody that you possibly suspected could have done this then you kind of reverse engineer it did they
00:33:56
have a black SUV a small black SUV that they would be able to use now one thing I also want to point out there that we
00:34:05
heard in an earlier clip today that we use for today's trailer the start of the show
00:34:11
was that you heard the reporter stating that 10 years on the 10-year anniversary
00:34:16
of this case uh of the shooting at Lane Bryant and it being unsolved now for 10 years that police released a 3D
00:34:23
composite sketch of our suspect and I like this Captain because to me when I look at this 3D version and if if
00:34:32
anybody of anybody out there is familiar with this case and hasn't done any internet sleuthing on it in a while I
00:34:39
beg you to get on your computers on your tablet and check some stuff out because
00:34:43
that 3D image is one it's very haunting you almost feel like you're staring directly at the face of the person that
00:34:50
did this that's how detailed it looks to me and put that on the website and Instagram Twitter Facebook all that
00:34:57
stuff and to the original composite sketch I felt was pretty General it didn't I don't felt like it gave me a
00:35:05
good sense of what I should be looking for who I should be looking for as where the the detailed 3D account was much
00:35:13
better for that well I feel like we've covered a lot do you have any questions that you think we should go over well
00:35:19
that's a big part of the frustration regarding this case yes I do feel like we've covered a lot I feel like we've
00:35:26
answered some questions however I feel like there's a lot of questions out there and again I know we we say this a
00:35:33
lot we sound like a broken record we understand that the investigation has to hold some things back I feel like there
00:35:41
are a few items out there that could really help especially after 10 years when you're really asking the public to
00:35:47
come forward and help you out with this situation yeah and this sketch will help
00:35:51
but it would be nice if there's some other piece of information that they could give us well and that that's what
00:35:57
I mean here and I wonder if you know what are they holding on to is what they've released is that just the tip of
00:36:03
the iceberg I mean they've released what they believe to be a 3D composite sketch
00:36:10
of the suspect right they've released video footage of a possible suspect vehicle
00:36:17
we've also heard Snippets of the 9-1-1 call where you can kind of hear the suspect in the background shouting or
00:36:24
yelling or or communicating with the hostages right the some things that I call in a question here though is we we
00:36:31
get a nice good description of what the suspect was wearing that day even down to the point of the potential thought
00:36:38
there might have been uh some type of packaging tape or duct tape in the suspect's coat pocket possible that the
00:36:46
suspect had manicured fingernails but the weird thing here is we we also hear that the suspect may have left
00:36:54
behind a baseball cap if that's the case can we just say for sure if that happened and two can we see
00:37:02
what that thing looked like that team was it right or or well actually I I say baseball cap as a general term
00:37:11
um and I think it's been reported that way but it could just be some kind of hat right a baseball style hat right um
00:37:18
so maybe no team on it but it could be a company could be any there's a lot of indicators on there that could help get
00:37:25
you to the conclusion of the identity of this person you know people can recognize an article of clothing just as
00:37:31
well as they can a grainy via surveillance footage of a vehicle or a possible composite sketch of the actual
00:37:40
suspect was there in fact the hat that was left behind if so what does it look like I would love you know I would love
00:37:47
if they would release pictures of that the other item too I I wish that forget the DNA I'm gonna
00:37:55
get over the DNA we don't need to know if they have DNA or not they can they can handle that portion of it but I
00:38:01
think these things are a little more simpler that I have glad you're going to let them handle that I'm gonna let I'm
00:38:06
going to let that go but here's the other thing the possibility that the suspect remember we said that he was
00:38:12
using the ruse of some type of delivery and he had papers with him that were supposed to be a part of that delivery
00:38:20
well here's my guess I'm guessing that you know these women that were at the store these are not dumb ladies there
00:38:28
was something on those papers that that guy had and what I mean by that is that he's not going to be able to walk in
00:38:34
there with some blank pieces of paper or something that has nothing to do with anything at all and just be able to go
00:38:41
hey I'm here to do this delivery my name's Joe you know in in in Rhoda and these other ladies fall for it
00:38:49
she was doing preventative measures to call another store thinking that there was a potential mix-up in some kind of
00:38:56
delivery now yes he could have likely found some pieces of paper somewhere that looked like they're from a delivery
00:39:02
he could have grabbed an invoice from somewhere else but what I'm getting at is there was enough
00:39:08
information on those pieces of paper that he was carrying with him and there's many reports that state that he
00:39:17
left those at the scene that the police recovered those right at the very least could we find out when do they still
00:39:23
exist and B what was printed on those papers is there anything on those papers that
00:39:29
would provide any type of information that could lead us to a potential suspect meaning why all these years
00:39:36
later haven't these papers been released to the public to help with this investigation and it could be something
00:39:43
as simple as these were papers that this person took from where they worked they
00:39:47
took them out of somebody's car just like the baseball hat there's there's a million ways that somebody can see
00:39:54
something somebody can see the right information and piece it together and you get that
00:39:59
phone call you get that tip that you need you're you're wearing me out man I'm wearing you out uh you just
00:40:07
you're so uh uh passionate well the thing here's the thing we've seen plenty of cases where we're sitting there 15 20
00:40:16
25 years later and they're like oh yeah okay we have this piece of information we have this piece of evidence we've
00:40:23
been holding on to it since day one let us show you the general public this now and ask for your help about it now and
00:40:31
at some point it gets to be too late right it just get I don't want to be sitting here 20 years from now and
00:40:36
they're like here's here's the papers here's the ball cap tell us what you think yeah so what do
00:40:42
you think on this case as far as a suspect goes let me go go through this one at a time here I only got two things
00:40:50
to go through yeah okay so one before the other but the first one is the K the case is very strange to me in the sense
00:40:59
that it seems like a strange Target unless this person was just looking for a few hundred dollars but to me that
00:41:07
that would be like a smash and grab that would be like get in there create as little chaos as
00:41:14
possible yeah get your 200 300 and then get the hell out of there that's not what happened in this situation for some
00:41:21
reason this person decided that they needed to take these individuals to the back room what is
00:41:28
what is reported as a an employee break room in the back which seems like a strange place to me I
00:41:34
thought I thought with the ruse of the delivery that you're trying to work one of two angles either a you're trying to
00:41:41
get into the store before it opens up where either you think that there's more money involved in the robbery or where
00:41:49
you won't have to encounter any customers so if you're not if you're not using it
00:41:53
to do that and he was aware that the store was open then the only other reason for using the ruse of of a
00:42:00
delivery is to maybe work your way into the back parts of the store into the office of the store without causing a
00:42:07
commotion out in the storefront you know on the floor as they say maybe that's what he was using these
00:42:15
papers for but it seems like a strange Target to me it's strange it seems like a strange way to carry out a crime the
00:42:23
other thing too is if you worked your way back to the office using those papers it sounds to me the additional customers
00:42:31
came in later while this robbery was in progress so he took time out from what he was doing to go and capture these two
00:42:40
individuals take them to the same location and bind them as well it it sounds to me like we have a
00:42:48
situation I don't I don't know why he was in that store for as long as he was the the sexual why he would rob a store
00:42:56
like that anyways well in the sexual component to this is very weird as well now I know it's not terribly uncommon
00:43:03
for for an offender to fondle one of the hostages or say weird sexual things to one of the hostages I know it's not
00:43:12
terribly uncommon but it seems odd to me that this individual picked Elaine Bryant store where you might expect to
00:43:21
find nothing but females there right and then that sexual aspect occurred if if money was the thing why aren't you just
00:43:29
getting your money and getting the hell out of there yeah it could be sexually motivated and
00:43:34
then the 911 call 9-1-1 call was placed that spooked them they had to get out of
00:43:39
there or this person's incredibly unstable because it it's Ah that's what I think
00:43:46
it's it's either there's a sexual component to it or this person got in there didn't really know what they were
00:43:53
doing started losing control fast or got angry because whatever or however much money they thought they would get they
00:44:00
didn't get and they got angry at the hostages and then like you said now they're already angered and then they
00:44:06
find out about the 911 call they Panic or they're angered more and they're going to take out that anger on all of
00:44:13
those women there now my theories on who this person is they're not super detailed
00:44:19
um but my gut tells me that this person is not local to Tinley Park in any way the the 2010 demographics of the area
00:44:30
it would have been 88.8 Caucasian 3.7 African-American and 3.9 Asian so just playing the numbers there would
00:44:41
tell me that this individual might not be local to the area plus I also do not think that it's any coincidence that the
00:44:50
Interstate 80 is right there right there by the scene right by the store he could
00:44:56
have walked into any store that he wanted he chose that store for a specific reason
00:45:00
I also believe that this was not the first time this was this may be the only time this man
00:45:08
was ever in this Lane Bryant store meaning he didn't case the joint in advance for this robbery and I have two points
00:45:16
to this thought one the guy walks in and it's thought that he was looking at the
00:45:21
ceiling looking for cameras and two the surviving witness who worked at the store
00:45:29
you know this the majority of the time the Super majority of the time the clientele is
00:45:36
strictly female at this store not male and so it's possible that if this man had been in the store before that he
00:45:42
might have stood out in some form that may have been memorable to her right and she doesn't there's we don't have any
00:45:48
evidence that she has seen this person before the day so that that's my only thoughts on it that the guy probably
00:45:56
wasn't local and I do believe that was his first and only time in that store all right
00:46:03
is that your thought done that's as much as I have okay well you keep saying he and I'm gonna
00:46:10
keep saying she I believe that this is a female I believe that the surviving witness did
00:46:18
not get a good enough look at this individual um I think maybe she heard this individual and it was maybe of a more of
00:46:28
a male tone to begin with and so that's she's assuming she saw a man that's just what my gut is telling me
00:46:36
that's also what my ears are telling me when I listen back and if that is the suspect on that 9-1-1 call to me that
00:46:44
sounds like a female why I think it's more of a you know super bikes type thing where
00:46:55
this individual she went into this Lane Bryant at some point she you know had bad service something I
00:47:05
don't think the motivation was to rob the store I think the motivation was some type of Revenge and that's why
00:47:12
let's gather up all these people and let's put them in the back and let's duct tape them
00:47:16
and I don't know how long the person thought they were going to be in there for but I think once that 911 call went
00:47:24
out and she saw it she killed all the people and then she left and I think she left in the small black SUV
00:47:31
and most men I would you know maybe this is sexist on some level but it's like most
00:47:38
men will drive bigger SUVs women will drive smaller SUVs so that's and the manicured fingernails that would make
00:47:48
that make sense and there's just little things that are really hard to explain in this case but they start making a
00:47:55
little more sense like the cornrows with the braid in front starts making a little more sense when
00:48:00
you go well that's that's more of the way a female would do their hair so that's
00:48:06
just what my gut is telling me and that's what my ears are telling me and I think it was something like where
00:48:11
the person felt wronged and they were going to prove a point you know or they're going to kill people I mean this
00:48:17
this person is psycho well and that's that's what I mean and I'm you know I'm sticking with my thoughts but that's
00:48:24
what I mean and I like that you bring up the super bike case that we've covered here because that was really when once
00:48:32
that thing was solved you're like holy [ __ ] this whole time the motivation would make no for this murders and this
00:48:40
crime would make zero sense to anybody but the person that perpetrated the crime right and the biggest problem I
00:48:47
have with this Lane Bryant case is why if they were there to Rob why did they stay in the store for so long 40 minutes
00:48:54
is a long time when you're trying to rob the store especially that's why the the
00:48:58
phone call from the manager to another store would be important to me because if 25 minutes of that was this
00:49:05
quote-unquote delivery person just standing around waiting for information right then then 40 minutes doesn't seem
00:49:11
so long but if that phone call happened within minutes of that individual walking into the store this person
00:49:17
stayed in this store for an incredibly amount of long amount of time right and furthermore
00:49:22
here's what you wanted to on your on your part if this was a Revenge killing or if this was for reasons we will never
00:49:31
understand then how long did this individual intend on staying in the store was it only the
00:49:38
9-1-1 call that stopped them from staying who's to say this person wouldn't have stayed in there as long as
00:49:43
possible and kept picking off the right individuals as they come in each customer comes in they are quickly
00:49:49
escorted to the back room they're bound and they become another hostage so I I like where you're thinking is the
00:49:56
other thing too with the surviving Witness it may have in a hyper panic situation
00:50:02
like this it may have simply been enough that if a female offender was wearing Male clothing right that might have
00:50:11
thrown her off and she might fully believe that she saw a male when in fact it was a female all right so I guess I'm
00:50:20
right you're not right but it's my birthday so I'm right no I I don't think you're wrong I'm just not changing my
00:50:26
opinion but you're just not gonna say I'm right here we go Captain So speaking of females this week's recommended
00:50:32
reading we are recommending hell's princess The Mystery of belgunis the Butcher of men by Harold Schechter and
00:50:40
I've mentioned his name before on this fabulous show that we do I've also recommended his books before Harold
00:50:46
Schechter is one hell of an author and one of the best researchers out there so I recommend that you pick up hell's
00:50:53
princess this is the definitive rendering of one of the most brutal of all female serial killers this book had
00:51:01
me on the edge of my seat into the last page so check out Harold schechter's new
00:51:06
book Hells princess and if you're ever looking for good true crime books to read make sure you go to our website
00:51:13
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00:51:33
birthday oh happy birthday to you Colonel until next time friends be good be kind and don't litter
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