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[Music] it takes a whole lot of Moxy to launch an outrageously successful Hospitality
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business at the young age of just 23 to thrive right out of the gate with so little experience must truly be a one in
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a million success rate is it hard work pure luck or having a vision so compelling that drives people to flock
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to your business for Bob Gil it was clearly a magnificent combination of all three but when the 37-year-old owner of
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several thriving bars went missing in September of 1994 his friends employees and the
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entire Community were baffled when his van was discovered 80 Mi outside of town they held their breath in anticipation
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and Dread later Bob B's body was located near where his vehicle was recovered the
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popular bar owner was found having been shot in the head his lifeless body was found dressed as what the Press could
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only refer to as a ninja he had been discovered wearing a black ski mask and black clothing and a
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holstered 9mm semi-automatic weapon strapped to his body sporting a backpack filled with bullets and burglary tools
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so how did a respected successful and dynamic business owner wind up dead in a rural pasture dressed as a cat burglar
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well that's anyone's guess and this is true crime garage [Music] Robert Manuel Gill grew up one of four
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children in Cincinnati Ohio he was the only boy of the bunch and he was extremely close to his father
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Manuel After High School Bob would spend a year at the University of Cincinnati afterward he moved about 110 miles up
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the highway to attend the Ohio State University it was the early 80s and Columbus Ohio home of OSU some call it
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Buckey Nation well it was growing and expanding Bob before he could graduate he saw an opportunity and he seized it
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he took out a lease on a bar known as the out or in bar so out letter r and the word in outer in bar the business at
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the time before Bob took over was losing money but it was a great location okay so it's ideally situated at the north
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campus of OSU and Bob had a vision and the rest is Columbus campus bar history he would
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take over this bar and make a lot of money and turned it into a thriving business Bob had zero prior experience
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as a proprietor of a drinking establishment he turned the business around with little more than Instinct
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hard work and sheer hubris of Youth along the way he sunk every dollar he made back into the business resulting
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in the outer end boasting the reputation of being one of the most popular bars on
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the OSU campus and it's still a very popular campus bar to this very day the tavern's
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name was a nod to the fact the patrons had a choice of either gathering on the large outdoor patio or hanging out on
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one of the two expansive interior floors Each of which contained pool tables and
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benches today it is your typical campus bar and so most of the patrons during the school year would be students but
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where this bar really cleans up making a whole lot of money is on football Saturdays because this bar is packed
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from the time they open on a football Saturday until 2: a.m. when they close I've been in there after a football game
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you cannot walk there are so many people in there it's standing room only one like you said it's a great location cuz
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it's right off the main drag it's right off High Street my guess we're not old enough to know because Bob took over
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this bar in the early 80s well speak for yourself I'm 97 and a half years old then you might know but my guess is that
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it must have been like a real dump before he took it over because given that and with the number of students there I
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don't see how you could not draw a crowd just given the location a decade later looking to expand his business Bob took
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over a tired Northwest Side Restaurant this was called The Lone Star Stakes located on Kenny Road this time Bob's
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Vision involved converting the very outdated restaurant into a slick new looking Sports Bar naming his newest
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Venture Pockets Sports Bar and Grill Bob installed a dazzling assortment of diversions we've got widescreen TVs a
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lot of video games pool tables air hockey tables dart boards this all resulting in a sports lovers and gaming
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Utopia it was quite the novel idea at the time I mean this was well before Dave and Busters and keep in mind this
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is an adult only establishment and when you go in it feels like a bit of an adult playground
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so this gave and cater to the local clientele looking for more than just a place to eat drink and congregate in the
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years that followed countless rival establishments copied this Vision Bob's Vision in an attempt to emulate his
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success but Bob always managed to stay a step ahead of his competitors he advertised on the radio and TV and
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upgrading his equipment and hiring very talented staff at around the time Pockets was starting to become lucrative
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Bob decided to take on a business partner he met a man named Martin J mcnam while they were playing softball
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so he meets this guy who goes by Marty in the early 1990s and the two hit it off right away Captain even engaging in
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some business dealings together this ultimately grew into a full-blown partnership with Marty mcnam buying into
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both bars right so he buys into both the outer in bar and Pockets with equally shared ownership location I think is
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going to be key here because we're going to have some very questionable events that are going to take place in this
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case just so people can kind of paint a road map in their minds while we go through each of these items we should
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note here that the outer in bar the first bar that he purchases I believe it was 1981 that he purchased the outer in
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the outer in is located at 20 East frams Avenue in Columbus Ohio this is the north campus area of Ohio State under
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Bob's ownership it becomes one of the most popular bars in the campus area then 10 years later so in 1991 he that's
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when he purchases the Lone Star Stak restaurant turning it into the very popular Pocket Sports Bar and Grill
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Pocket Sports Bar is located on Kenny Road this is Kenny Road near the Henderson Road intersection so this is
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on the city's Northwest side the Northwest side of Columbus so it's sometime around 1990
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when Marty mamy moves to Columbus and then eventually buying in with Bob the pair continue to jointly operate
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both wildly successful businesses which generate a subst anal income for both the partnership flourishes until Bob
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inexplicably goes missing but this is in 1994 when he goes missing and before Bob
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goes missing there's some potentially key events that take place in Bob's world the first takes place in January
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of 1994 in 1994 there's going to be a lawsuit filed against Bob yes this takes place in January of 1994 the pl if is
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Mary Victoria haran so she files a sexual harassment lawsuit against Robert M Gill or Bob
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Gill he is her employer so he's the owner of these two bars right heran was 28 at the time originally she's hired as
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a waitress at Pocket Sports Bar but later she's promoted and moves up to working at the corporate
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office as like a secretary performing clerical duties in her lawsuit she claims that
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the harassment began when she moved to corporate from the restaurant claiming that Bob Gil made continual unwanted and
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uninvited sexual suggestions towards her now I don't know exactly what went down
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but this seems like a large sum of money here she was seeking $15 million in Damages wow haran's attorneys maintain
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that their client suffered daily harassment and inquiries into her sexual proclivities performance and partners
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from Bob now the business owner Bob emphatically denied these allegations in fact he was claiming that
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heran was the instigator of any sexual conversations that the two may have had together so we have a he said she said
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situation here $15 million and damages is what she was seeking I know Bob Gil is a successful businessman but I don't
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believe he's even worth $15 million no no and I think in these types of situations my guess here Captain is
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that an attorney would tell you really overshoot your shot and hope that they talk you down a lot of times people are
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looking more for a settlement out of court and I don't know how this was playing out behind the scenes but Bob's
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going to go missing before it could play out in the courts the other event that we should note here too is that in June
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of 1994 Bob's second marriage is analed now typically we are saying the day in question in the garage when we are
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discussing these cases but today we are going to say the year in question because as we go through this
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timeline here I think everybody will agree that what we're going to see is a lot of questionable Behavior movements
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and again locations that's why I wanted to note where the businesses were located for people unfamiliar with this
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case so a lot going on in Bob Gill's life he has a a marriage that is analed he has this lawsuit coming up and we
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have some varying reports and it's probably because of the time of day but it's reported September 25th some people
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report 20 September 26 is the last time that they see Bob Gill yes varying reports Bob goes missing either on the
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25th or 26th of September 1994 depending on which source you're you're picking up
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your information from but like the captain said I think that makes sense because the way that it seems to play
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out is either Bob's last scene shortly before midnight on the 25th or shortly after midnight on the
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26th so what we're going to do is we're going to give you the beautiful listeners here all of the information
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and let you sift through it and sort it out the main narrative that we have here
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Captain is that Bob vanishes around 1:00 a.m. on September 26 1994 now some sources report that he had
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spent the evening of the 25th at Marty mamy's house which is located in Westerville so this is his business
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partner this is his business partner and according to this report he is spending
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the evening of the 25th at Marty's house in Westerville before leaving to go to his girlfriend's house in the early amm
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hours another source indicates that according to Columbus Police Marty mcnam last Saw Gil Bob Gill
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after Bob left Pockets late on the 25th so in this report it's like shortly after 11:00 p.m. I believe from
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there the report says that Bob went to the Meyer store on Cleveland Avenue now for those that are unfamiliar Meyer is a
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Walmart type of store where you can get groceries some locations you can buy tires for your car you can buy Hardware
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you can buy supplies you can buy pretty much everything there it's it's a large box store that contains uh a large
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produce and grocery section there are several of these large box stores scattered throughout the Greater
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Columbus area but back then and I'm going off a memory here Captain but remember when we were just we little
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Lads there was what probably two or three of these Meer locations in in the entirety of the Greater Columbus area
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yeah I'm not a Meer of Fishin so I'm not really for sure but every time I hear Cleveland Avenue I
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just think that might not be the greatest location so this location would have been the Meyer located near the
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intersection of Cleveland Avenue in 161 according to police Bob is there to purchase some
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very interesting items especially interesting for some late night shopping right so Bob purchased a hacksaw bolt
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cutters pliers rope and a flashlight that sounds like he's purchasing a kill kit if this is around
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midnight can you imagine the cashier looking at Bob going through the line with these items in his cart a hackel
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bolt cutters pliers rope and a flashlight Bob purchased all these items separately
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but he could have bought them all packaged together in the Israel Keys Meyers kill kit one thing I think maybe
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we should note here too is at that hour of the day even today but especially then if somebody were looking to
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purchase these particular items I'm thinking Meyer would be the only location that you could purchase
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these items at that hour of the day yeah so it's reported that Bob so let's note
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here he's 37 years old at the time but it's reported that he was last seen wearing a white pullover shirt and dark
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shorts on the same day that Bob goes missing Bob is profiled in a feature article in business first this is like a
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local magazine I think a lot of the bigger cities had them back then I believe it's one of those magazines or
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small newspapers that you can pick up for free they're just you know handouts at the grocery store or the market yeah
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but the article is featuring interviews with several successful bar owners in the Columbus Ohio area in the piece in
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this piece Bob outlines his tireless approach to owning and operating several lucrative drinking and eating
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entertainment establishments in Columbus he attributes his success to keeping things in
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perspective remarking that running a bar requires having a level head and as said
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ironically ironically the article is released the same day that Bob goes missing first looking into this story I
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I think one piece of his success is how much he reinvest into the business so I could see that playing or creating some
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kind of irritation towards other owners of the business going well why are we reinvesting so much money I would like
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to get a profit back one thing that is unique about this case among some others that we're going to de into here in a
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little bit but this case is bizarre yeah so he's last seen either very late on the 25th or very early on the 26th he's
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not reported missing until September 29th okay so we got about 3 days that go by before he is reported missing and
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although Bob lives and works in Columbus Ohio his 1993 Ford astrovan is found abandoned in ryal gery County this is is
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in the eastern portion of the state of Ohio I don't even know where that is at well so you know where Cambridge is it's
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kind of near Cambridge so if if one were in Columbus Ohio and wanted to go to the
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state of West Virginia uhhuh you would hop on 70 and this would be heading East on
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Interstate 70 and on your way to West Virginia is the best way to describe it and you're right it's I did not know
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there's 88 counties in the state of Ohio so I don't expect you or myself to know
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all 88 of them but I had never heard of gery County so it's roughly how far from
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Columbus um this is about 80 miles away from where he was last seen again last seen location dve is that that Meer
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location so much more to get to this case is going to get very bizarre very [Music]
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to achieve the stated results [Music] all right we are back cheers mates talk can in the air cheers to you Colonel
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cheers to you captain and here's a cheers to we want to give a cheers to our friends at the Columbus Metropolitan
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Library in particular a wonderful lady over there her name is Michelle who graciously provided us access to a lot
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of articles that we could not get that weren't available online so she was super helpful and truly without her help
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there would be no garage case file on this case so shout out to Michelle and all the good people at the Columbus
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Metropolitan Library like the captain said tall cans in the air where we left off we have his vehicle Bob Bob is
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missing his vehicle is disc discovered about 80 miles away from where he's last seen so the way that this is reported
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initially is that the vehicle was found a few days after Bob was last seen and this is a little convoluted because
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that's actually not the case so to go through it all here Bob lives and works in Columbus his 1993 Ford Astro van is
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found abandoned in this gery County in eastern Ohio the van is found parked on a Road near the bville asphalt plant so
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this is Route 35 this is 5 miles south of Cambridge officials confirm that there
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is gas in the tank so he didn't he didn't run out of gas and abandoned the vehicle the keys were somebody else
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didn't yeah and the keys are still in the ignition when the vehicle's found deputies found a 9mm shell on the floor
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of the vehicle and we're going to circle back to that in just a second here while
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the media reports that the van is found on September 28th it's actually discovered probably about 4 or 5 hours
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after Bob was last seen in Columbus Ohio this is according to family members of Bobs the empty vehicle had been observed
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by the Ohio State Highway Patrol found near bville Ohio so the vehicle this doesn't raise any suspicion because
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remember he's not reported missing at this time so they find the vehicle but it's not until a couple days later that
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he's actually reported missing by Family his sister Tina penter contends that Bob
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has no Associates in Cambridge or bville and that he had no reason to be there well this doesn't make a lot of sense to
00:29:38
me either because you'd think and maybe because he had so much going on in his life that if he wasn't seen at one
00:29:45
location or one business that he had that maybe they just assumed he's at another location but it seems a little
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strange to me that it takes so many days for him to be reported missing you know
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he I'm guessing he would would been noticeable that he's not at either business in the coming days but as said
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there was a corporate office he did have an office that was away from the businesses the bars so maybe he people
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just thought that he was there and nobody knew that he was missing for a couple of days right now a couple days
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after he's reported missing Bob's body is discovered in a cow pasture by a farmer and the farmer's wife this is in
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bville so now we're at October 1st so a quick rundown refresher here he goes missing he's last seen either on the
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25th or 26th of September the vehicle is actually found about 5 hours after he's
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last seen but it's reported that it was found on the 28th he's reported missing on the 28th or 29th and that's when they
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piece together oh this missing guy we found his abandoned van and now it's a couple days after that that his body is
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located they're not out searching for his body or for Bob this is just a farmer and his wife who are out on their
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property that find Bob on October 1st Bob was killed by a single gunshot wound to the Head his blood soaked body is
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found less than a mile from where his abandoned van had been discovered again this is gery County Ohio roughly 80
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miles from where Bob lived and worked well give me a second so just I'm trying to wrap my head around all this
00:31:28
so we have we have a a successful businessman from Columbus Ohio he owns multiple businesses mainly bars eateries
00:31:37
that type of thing he has a piece in a magazine come out about how successful he
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is he goes to visit his business partner leaves pretty late in the morning goes to
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Meyer buys some very suspicious items we can possibly assume that he drove his van out by himself or maybe
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with somebody else we don't know mhm about 80 mil away from Columbus then his body is
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found within a couple miles of the vehicle dead this is bizarre less than a mile from his vehicle and this location
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too interestingly enough we're assuming Bob got there on foot but the the property owners say that they use an
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allterrain vehicle to navigate getting out to this location the distance between where the van is parked on along
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Route 35 in the location of Bob's body it you know you have to pass through a Brier patch woods and even a creek and
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what's the damage to the body single gunshot wound to the Head strangely Bob is dressed as what is often referred to
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by the media as a ninja so he's found clad in Black clothing he's wearing a ski mask black pants black sweater and
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black or brown gloves Bob Gil was carrying a loaded 9mm semi-automatic handgun in a
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holster he's carrying a napsack or backpack that is found on his person inside this pack we get we have
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bullet shells and what typically would be described as burglary tools right we have that
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hacksaw that he purchased the P pliers also found was a screwdriver bolt cutters rope and tape
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so bizarre do we have any evidence that would tell us whether or not he inflicted this wound on himself
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or that's that's exactly where we're going with this so the detectives what they're going to tell us a detective
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from gy County Sheriff office tells the media that there had been no burglaries in the area at the time of the incident
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and I think they had to say that based off of what he's found with yeah and the gurny county sheriff's office would
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later tell the media that they did not think that the gun found on Bob's body was the murder weapon here's what's
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difficult though we find him so we can assume that he's the victim but because of the items found on him and because of
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his clothing he looks like the perpetrator of a crime he looks like he's going out to Rob burglarize or
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potentially kill somebody yes so that that's what they tell the the media initially right that we don't believe
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that the gun found on him was the murder weapon because this firearm had not been
00:34:50
discharged recently they also find a shell casing this is found near his body but this shell casing is later
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determined not to match the 9mm weapon that found a shell casing in his van so does that match and then my other
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question is do we have any evidence that there was a crime committed inside his van none that's been reported right one
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question that comes up immediately in this case for many people R viewing the information is was he killed where he
00:35:24
was found or was he killed elsewhere and dumped at this location well we know based off
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of the pool of blood that is at this location and the single gunshot that he was killed where he was found so he had
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been shot once in the cheek about an inch below his right eye and the bullet that killed him was never recovered we
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get we get the shell but not the actual bullet there's no signs of a violent struggle other than that that pull of
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blood and the shot to the the head again it makes you wonder is there a possibility that Bob was out there to
00:36:01
commit a crime with another individual or multiple individuals but that was all a ruse to get him out there by himself I
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mean this is just strange well yeah and it would appear I'm guessing here Captain I can't prove it 100% but it
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would St a reason that he it look it's difficult to dress a dead body so he likely was in that get up before he was
00:36:26
killed at that location and all of those weird items that's found in his backpack are items
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that we know he purchased from the Meyer store so what the hell was he up to and
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then the other thing too is even though he's been missing now for several days investigators tell us that they
00:36:47
believe that he was he died within hours of the last time that he was seen yeah so many questions here if I'm law
00:36:54
enforcement I'm going first of all why why is he dressed this way why does he have these items but also why is he
00:37:04
in this location mhm cuz I mean look if I'm law enforcement and you find Bob a couple blocks from his one of his
00:37:13
businesses well at least I know why he was there that's that's the area that he frequents this is 80 miles away and then
00:37:25
then my question is where is he going in this field like I mean no seriously like is
00:37:31
there a mansion uh within a quarter mile is there is there some location that would have something of uh of value
00:37:44
MH well and like you had said earlier when I had mentioned the gas you said well you know I said he didn't run out
00:37:51
of gas and leave his vehicle there and you said well and neither did anybody else so what you have to wonder here is
00:37:58
yeah he has a gun on him when he's found dead right the gun's found holstered on
00:38:02
his person right is he right is somebody in the vehicle with him one or two other
00:38:08
persons who knows is he marched out to this area yeah and then shot and then they put the gun on him now he was a gun
00:38:16
enthusiast he owned several guns I've not got a clear confirmation that that gun that was found on him that he that
00:38:25
he owned it but they've never said that anybody else did either and I'm glad that you're circling around on location
00:38:32
here of where he is found because to me that was equally puzzling like as much as as his weird outfit that again the
00:38:41
newspapers described him dressed as a ninja or some kind of cat burglar that the location of where he is
00:38:50
found just like the captain said is nowhere near any of his businesses but more importantly to me the Meer that he
00:38:57
went to late that night to purchase these items and Meyer the all of the Meer stores that I have been in have
00:39:07
security cameras and a good deal of them and even though this is 1994 I'm still guessing that they that's
00:39:15
how they piece together because we do we get a statement that says he's last seen
00:39:19
wearing a white shirt and shorts and we know that when he's found dead he's wearing all black so Ninja
00:39:28
I'm guessing here that that information is coming from police finding footage because the the statement is that he
00:39:36
purchased these items so either he used a credit card and they can confirm that his credit card paid for these items or
00:39:42
they have him on camera and they can physically see him going through the line and paying for and purchasing these
00:39:49
items so the Meer is nowhere near his home the Meer is nowhere near either of his businesses yeah but see the Meer to
00:39:57
me seems because I know the location not that hard to then jump on 70 from that location that's what I was going to say
00:40:06
so if you were if one were to get in their vehicle like let's say Bob gets into his vehicle he lives north of 270
00:40:14
North of the Worthington area that's not going to mean anything to people that live outside of Ohio but if he were to
00:40:21
just drive a a short Drive South and like the captain said hop on 27 he could have got to that Meer fairly quickly
00:40:30
hopped back on 270 and got over to 70 Interstate 70 and taken that out to near where his body was found and here's the
00:40:39
big problem with the location for me is we don't know if this was the final destination of where he was going yeah
00:40:50
because like I said you can then go well we know where the body was found so let's do a 10mi radius within that 10 m
00:40:58
radius is there any house or any reason for somebody to want to break in to some place right
00:41:09
well and like his family says they're they are saying he doesn't know anybody in this
00:41:16
area to their knowledge and but here's my other question though we have this divorce and then we have this lawsuit
00:41:24
and so then my other question would be is there any anybody involved in his life that is connected to somebody in
00:41:33
this area because I could see somebody snapping and going you you're trying to sue me
00:41:42
well I'm going to have something done to your family and then maybe that will stop all
00:41:48
this nonsense the thing here though I do want to point out and again the this Meer location and the choice of picking
00:41:56
this Meer for him to go to may have little to do with nothing but this Meer location is not far from where his
00:42:05
business partner Marty lives now again if one were wanting to purchase these items at that hour of
00:42:12
night that time of day you likely the only place would be a Meer and that would be the even though
00:42:20
this Meer is close to Marty's house it would be the closest Meer to where lives as well don't you find it
00:42:29
weird though because of the time of day that these items become more suspicious you know like if if a guy was
00:42:38
purchasing these on a on a noon on Saturday if if you're the cashier noon on Saturday a guy purchases these items
00:42:48
maybe not that big of a deal you might not even remember it but somebody purchases these items at 2 3 in the
00:42:56
morning you go well this guy's up to no good yeah yeah you're ex I mean these are all standard
00:43:02
items that that many people would have in their garage or at work at a Mt in a maintenance closet somewhere but um yeah
00:43:11
somebody going through the line at midnight buying these items seems very strange but if I'm law enforcement I
00:43:17
want to know what what the what was the conversation with my business partner yeah because to
00:43:23
me and we we will never know this possibly is whatever Bob Gil was planning when when did he I mean the
00:43:36
plan could have happened two weeks ago but now it's it's go time it's time to execute that plan or was this way more
00:43:44
sporadic hang on because it's going to get even more bizarre okay so more bizarre than ninjas yeah now what is not
00:43:52
bizarre is that it we learned that Bob Gil had a life insurance policy valued at about
00:44:00
$600,000 there are two beneficiaries for this policy one is Bob's father and the
00:44:07
other is his business partner Marty Bob's father also inherits his son's stake in the
00:44:15
businesses so he is possibly worth millions of dollars to his father yeah so a little less than a year
00:44:25
after Bob Gill's murder Marty buys out Bob's father so now Marty becomes the loan owner of both of the
00:44:34
bars he purchases Bob's father's share in the businesses for $700,000 seems like a pretty good deal
00:44:43
now we're going to go to about 11 months after Bob's murder and we're going to get some very strange events in August
00:44:50
of 1995 Marty mamy who still owns both of those bars and by this point he owns a
00:44:58
third bar uh called Shooters which is out east and it's East in the Greater Columbus Ohio area he's 29 at the time
00:45:08
he leaves the outer end bar in the early morning hours of August 18th 1995 he is accompanied by a regular
00:45:17
customer who he offered a ride to and it is said that Marty had given this person
00:45:25
a ride multiple times this wasn't the first time that he had offered a ride to this customer that came into the bar now
00:45:32
on their way to wherever they're going they spot a person walking or potentially
00:45:40
hitchhiking who is an acquaintance of the person that's riding with Marty that's strange so they pick him up
00:45:50
right mhm on the drive Marty says that the hitchhiker that they had recently picked
00:45:57
up pulls out a gun and Marty mcname says that he forced him to drive to his residence where the the two people that
00:46:09
he's giving the right to the regular customer and this random person that they picked up who pulled the gun on him
00:46:15
they douse him Marty with gasoline and they rob him of about $5,000 cash Jesus mnam tells author that one of
00:46:28
his abductors then took him to a location north of Columbus so now he's up in Delaware County this is near Ohio
00:46:35
750 and Interstate 71 he says that they that the one guy tied him to a tree okay but hold on a
00:46:43
second I'm just wrapping my head around this yeah Marty's business partner is dead Marty buys out his father yes so
00:46:53
now he has three businesses he is now going to give a r ride to a known customer they come across a hitchhiker
00:47:02
that hitchhiker is connected to that known customer so obviously this is some kind of
00:47:09
ruse hey you're going to take me back home oh there's this hitchhiker we pick him up and now we have this robbery in
00:47:17
place well I do want to point out something that I think is very key to this very interesting story that we're
00:47:25
hearing right about Marty being abducted robbed DED in gasoline and tied to a tree all the way up in Delaware County
00:47:34
Columbus is in Franklin County so he's north of Columbus we hear this story we only have
00:47:42
Marty telling us the story right I want to point that out because I think that that is a big is of great significance
00:47:50
in this story so the the man he gave a ride to the regular customer we know who that is his name is Monroe liot the
00:47:57
person that they pick up The Hitchhiker or the person that is seen walking Marty says he doesn't know that
00:48:04
person's name other than Monroe told him that that guy hey that's Carl we should
00:48:11
that's my buddy Carl we should pick him up yeah so they pick up Carl and according to Marty's story Monroe and
00:48:16
Carl then Rob him Carl pulls the gun it's unclear by Marty's account if Monroe is willingly assisting Carl in
00:48:27
this robbery or if he's like forced into it because as The Story Goes Carl's the
00:48:32
only one with a gun so Carl's probably in charge if this in fact went down the way that Marty says that it went down
00:48:39
right remember where we left off Marty is in another County tied to a tree in the middle of the night he maintains and
00:48:47
claims that he eventually was able to free himself from being tied from the tree this is around 8:00 am in the
00:48:54
morning now he's walking along a road where he's trying to flag down passing cars and a car eventually pulls over and
00:49:04
picks him up I believe there's two people in this vehicle they drive him to St an's hospital and he's treated for
00:49:12
some very minor injuries that he that he has right I I do want to point out he some of the it is noted in the injuries
00:49:21
that he had several insect bites so maybe that is some proof that he might have been tied to a
00:49:28
tree out in the country area my question to the eyewitnesses was did he smell like
00:49:35
gasoline CU we could prove that part of the story too yeah yeah so they did find
00:49:42
gasoline on I think it was on his boots or shoes uh but yeah you're right as far as
00:49:50
the rest of him goes I I didn't see well let's continue on because it what we have here ha happened remember he knows
00:49:58
one of the guys right that was in the car so after he tells this story to police at the hospital the police
00:50:05
announced that Monroe liot one of those guys is charged with aggravated robbery and kidnapping liot is 31 years old at
00:50:13
the time he's described as a African-American male and a transient individual who often stayed near the
00:50:21
north campus area of Ohio State University and again the second man the other man is only known as Carl
00:50:29
to to Marty he provides a description of Carl to police and they put together a composite sketch which is released to
00:50:39
the public they're trying to identify who this Carl guy is 11 days after mnam is found walking along the road saying
00:50:48
he's been tied to a tree and kidnapped Westerville and Columbus Police discover a burned body in the
00:50:57
basement of Marty's home Jesus Christ right so when he gets out of the hospital what's already known at this part that
00:51:04
we didn't include yet in the story is Marty's home was burned to the ground according to his story he knew
00:51:11
that they DED him and portions of his home in gasoline but he didn't know that they actually
00:51:18
set it on fire remember according to his story only Carl is the one that takes him out to the middle of nowhere and
00:51:25
ties him to a tree right at gunpoint the the house is so badly burnt down that police were like sifting
00:51:34
through the rubble for 11 days before they find this burned body in the basement of Marty's
00:51:42
home initially they have no idea who the the burned dead person is and part of this too like they couldn't get to the
00:51:50
basement location for a while because after the home had been burnt down it wasn't structurally safe portions of the
00:51:57
home for people to be in there so it required like a construction crew to come in with heavy machinery to start
00:52:03
pulling this house apart basically but the charred body is later identified of being that of Monroe liot the homeless
00:52:13
transient person who was a regular at the outer end bar who Marty claims he gave a ride
00:52:21
to and that Monroe knew this Carl guy that they also picked up he's identified using dental records so as The Story
00:52:29
Goes so far you go well we have these two individuals we don't know if they're in
00:52:36
cahoots but now that we find one of their bodies you start going well they're not in
00:52:40
cahoots and now we got to find this Carl guy because he it seems like he's responsible
00:52:47
for the he's responsible for robbing Marty putting him out in the woods mhm leaving him possibly for death and then
00:52:59
also Burning Down The House with his body inside but it makes you wonder well why wouldn't he just leave Marty's body
00:53:06
in the house with the other guy exactly well and well here's the thing the initial thought amongst police and even
00:53:15
like people in the neighborhood and people paying attention to this case at the time was that Monroe liot maybe he
00:53:24
accidentally killed himself while he was setting the house on fire right right to
00:53:30
to we're covering up some crimes here that took place we robbed this guy took roughly $5,000 cash from him according
00:53:38
to Marty Carl takes Marty out into the middle of nowhere and Monro must have been dousing the house with gasoline
00:53:45
sets it on fire and somehow maybe got trapped inside and couldn't get out that was the that's what everybody thought in
00:53:52
the beginning yeah after a while so we get the Franklin County coroner who eventually doing an autopsy on this
00:54:03
charred body figures out that well this guy didn't die because of the fire he died from a stab wound it goes from
00:54:12
being an accidental death to now this is a homicide right it's all very I mean it's all very strange and and to this
00:54:20
day Carl has never been identified Monroe liot his murder being stabbed to death that murder has never been solved
00:54:33
but there's so many questions if you're law enforcement the first question is does Carl even
00:54:40
exist right because this could just be a ruse of well I gave this guy a ride home there's
00:54:49
a reason why I wanted him dead so I kill them I kill him at my house I then set my place a blaze that will
00:55:01
cover up the murder possibly get me some insurance money and then but then I guess the question is
00:55:09
then how does Marty then get out into Delaware County that's a really good question he would have to have somebody
00:55:16
else involved with him in order to do so or the other question is do you believe
00:55:23
Marty's story yeah I'm I'm glad you brought that up because I before we get to Marty's story his vehicle right we
00:55:30
want to know the situation with his vehicle where was his vehicle found was it found back at his home because
00:55:36
according to Marty's story there's three people in only one vehicle how did Marty
00:55:41
get to where he's eventually found either somebody had to give him a ride or he was able to ditch a vehicle
00:55:47
somewhere and that's never been detected right this guy Carl drove him out to Delaware
00:55:57
he most likely didn't drive back to Marty's house they would have found the vehicle abandoned somewhere else the
00:56:05
look I'm not saying that Marty is lying about the story but keep in mind nobody sees Marty tied to a tree he's not found
00:56:13
tied and bound he's found walking alongside the road saying that he was eventually able to free himself a few
00:56:21
hours or several hours after he was brought to that location by air quotes Carl now let me what we do know is like
00:56:30
the captain said his business partner has been murdered about a year 10 11 months prior and Marty did gain from the
00:56:41
death of his business partner he he was one of the beneficiaries and right so he had to be a suspect in
00:56:48
the murder and depending on which source you go to he may have been the last person to see Bob Gill alive before Bob
00:56:56
went to the Meer store which is oh by the way not far from Marty's home here let me again this is complete
00:57:06
speculation okay I'm here for it but here's the problem what if Marty had some kind of hand in
00:57:25
whatever happened to Bob however that played out with the Bob's murder right the problem with people
00:57:33
with money if you don't do something yourself you hire somebody to do it the problem
00:57:41
with people with money is if you hire someone to do it well now they got something on you and you still got money
00:57:50
so if you look at Marty's story but you got to look at this whole story as a complete story you go well Marty had
00:57:55
this connection to this Transit Life Style guy Monroe and so you could start then
00:58:05
laying out a story that well maybe Marty paid this guy to get rid of his business partner and then
00:58:16
eventually turned on you and said you know you you gave me some money but now I need more money or I need whatever and
00:58:26
so then you decided to get rid of him yeah because here's the thing so if he paid Monroe to do something to Bob or
00:58:35
paid Monroe to help him do something now Monroe can keep going back to the well time and time again to this
00:58:44
guy that's clearly got a lot more money than he has and say look remember this thing we did or remember that thing I
00:58:49
did for you I could ratch you out I could tell some people or you could give me this and I could stay quiet does that
00:58:57
happen multiple times and eventually Marty gets tired of paying up or decides that you know I I can get rid of this
00:59:04
guy and now my my new problem goes away but I have to create this Carl guy that's never been located and found
00:59:14
because he can't the story can't just involve Marty and Monroe right because Monroe's found dead in Marty's basement
00:59:21
and what elaborate story it is again you have to then question is it true could be true or is it just
00:59:31
is it completely fabricated and a lot of people hone in on the lawsuit and say well this probably has something to do
00:59:40
with Bob Gill's murder but I then I say this you can't squeeze blood from a rusty nail right
00:59:46
you this Bob Gil who's being sued for $15 million again we don't know if the plaintiff is hoping to settle at a court
00:59:55
for a large amount of money or or what she was hoping would happen but she's not getting any money if Bob is killed
01:00:04
if Bob's dead she's getting nothing the person she's suing I I guess maybe in some way she could turn around and sue
01:00:10
sue the business but you know I don't want to get into the the muck and the Meer of the the legal you know lawsuit
01:00:18
system here but am I wrong for thinking that if you're law enforcement and you can figure out what happened and Bob
01:00:24
Gill's murder that you're more likely to figure out if this story that Marty is telling you
01:00:30
whether that's true or not well because the thing that still doesn't make any sense to me is why is
01:00:38
he why is Bob dressed up like cat burglar and again I don't think I don't think somebody dressed him
01:00:46
up like that afterward to try to make this situation confusing I think he dressed himself that way but but was he
01:00:55
forced to do so but why I mean he could have been forced to do so he could have been marched out to where the location
01:01:01
where his body was found now Marty is not clean in any of this so Marty eventually will go on to be indicted for
01:01:10
tax and mail fraud as well as conspiracy and conspiracy and money laundering he is sentenced to serve 36 months for
01:01:21
defrauding the IRS he pled guilty he admitted to skimming receipts from the bars filing false tax returns and
01:01:29
destroying records and receipts he also admits to purposely flooding his home to
01:01:35
collect insurance money this obviously a different home than the one that was burnt To The Ground
01:01:41
by Carl and Monroe so he serves time in prison and he is ordered to pay over $500,000 in restitutions the thing too
01:01:52
that I want to point out yes there's this lawsuit and maybe her claims are real maybe she was a victim we don't
01:01:59
know we can't say but what what I want to make sure that we include in our reporting of Bob Gill's murder is that
01:02:07
the employees that worked for Bob that were interviewed had nothing but really great
01:02:14
things to say about this guy like and none of them could come up with any reason why he would be dressed like that
01:02:20
none of them had any idea why he would be in that location his family says he had no Reon to be there his business
01:02:26
partner Marty says he had no reason to be there and all the people that worked for him were according to police were
01:02:34
were shocked and numb because they none of them could fathom who would want to hurt their boss who was yes he's
01:02:45
successful but he was also a nice fun guy you were talking about surveillance I'd want to know if there's some
01:02:53
surveillance in the parking lot and to see if there's any movement in Bob's van because again you're hanging out with
01:03:03
your business partner your business partner if he created this fake story later he is just creating
01:03:11
confusion so now we're I'm sitting down with my business partner I have this plan to get rid of him I go in the van
01:03:18
with him I tell him what to buy I mean you you obviously have the possibility that Bob does go
01:03:26
along with the plan if you don't go in with him yeah and we have a bunch of different investigating agencies here
01:03:32
obviously because we have gery County Sheriff's Office who were notified when the body was found we have the Ohio
01:03:40
State Patrol who found Bob's van less than a mile from where his body's found a few days later we have Westerville
01:03:48
Police Department involved because that's where Marty lived and they had to bring in Columbus
01:03:55
Personnel to go through and sift through the home who eventually find the burned
01:04:00
body in the basement of Monroe liot who was also murdered and you have Columbus Police Department that's been involved
01:04:08
um working in tandem with Westerville and the gery County Sheriff's Office and both of the
01:04:15
homicides um Marty eventually gets out of prison and he last time I tracked him he
01:04:23
was living down in Florida Bob Gil good guy doesn't make any sense that he would
01:04:29
be dressed like this found in the middle of nowhere dead but the other individual
01:04:36
Marty seems to have a very flawed character it's just it's one of the most bizarre cases I think we've looked at
01:04:45
well and this case has kind of become folklore here in central Ohio right like just very much like Brian Schaefer's
01:04:53
case where you talk to people around town and somebody will say whatever happened to that guy that went into the
01:05:02
bar and disappeared right it it's folklore at this point people forget the name Brian Schaefer in town people but
01:05:09
but what they don't forget that has remained is this story of the guy that went into a bar and then disappeared he
01:05:15
never came out what happened to him well same as with Bob Gil I've had plenty of
01:05:21
people suggest this case but no victim name Ed so it took us a while to get here with
01:05:30
part of that because I've had like three people over the years go hey why don't you cover the uh you know that guy that
01:05:36
was found dressed like a ninja out in the middle of nowhere that's the folklore of this story well think about
01:05:42
the thousands of people that visit that bar weekly but like you said during Ohio
01:05:48
State games that bar is packed that area is packed how many people go into that bar and go hey you know the guy that
01:05:55
used to own this was murdered found dressed as a ninja in a field that the outer in and the Varsity Club got to be
01:06:05
the two most popular bars to attend before during and after an OSU football game still to this very day I mean you
01:06:14
cannot even park near the place because it's so it's so packed and the people spill out into the
01:06:21
streets during those football Saturdays I want to make sure that we give a shout
01:06:26
out here Captain to a retired Columbus detective his name is Phil Walden who had a very impressive career we're
01:06:35
giving him a shout out because he worked for 11 straight days he worked 16 hour days for 11 straight days when the home
01:06:45
when Marty mn's home in Westerville was found burned down he worked that crime scene all those hours for that many days
01:06:54
in a row all all Phil Walden during his impressive career with the Columbus Police Department he worked for 33 years
01:07:02
in the Columbus Police Department he took zero sick days during 33 years of service and during that time he worked
01:07:11
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