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grab a beer let's talk some true crime foreign [Music] [Music] [Music] foreign [Music]
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you're doing very well good job just a moment we're going to connect you they're going to ask for the address
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what is the address of the emergency 21034 Jarvis [Music] all right repeat the address one more
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time for me two one zero three four police and uh and uh okay you said two one zero three four
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jobs two seven zero three four and repeat that one more time what's the phone number you're calling
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from tell me exactly what happened uh my friend uh Teresa Sievers she's a doctor
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uh I'm a doctor uh she uh came home saw last night uh husband is in Connecticut and uh she was supposed to go to work at
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nine o'clock he called me and I was on my way into work so I swung by and she's down
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and there's Hammer at the side and she's dashed in the back of the head okay all right stay in the line with me
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sir okay um Sheriff's Office are you on the way yes yeah okay all right and so you said
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you're a doctor yes I am okay are you with her now uh I'm outside of the house because I don't know if there's anybody
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in the house okay all right so how old is Teresa uh 47ish all right sir and is she awake
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before she's cold okay okay all right so I do have paramedics fire department also law enforcement is
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on the line with us okay they're going to be going out okay okay so I want you to stay on the line one moment yeah I'm
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gonna stay here till I get here because I you know I say I don't know if any of this don't help okay all right it was
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right all right is to stay on the line okay because sheriff's office has questions and they're going to conquer
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you on what to do next okay sir are you inside the residence then no I'm not I'm
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standing in the driveway okay and then when you walked inside the house you said the blood was dry or what did you
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say yeah half the blood is dry it happens way your shoes cold she's dead cold surrender
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okay and there's a the hammer sitting next to her and you had left it and didn't touch anything no
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I touched her I shook her a little bit all right one moment you're doing really well
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so the last time you had seen her is what time uh probably two weeks three weeks ago two or three so okay and you
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said she returned today uh I don't know when she came back but she was supposed to go back she was
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supposed to go to work today at nine o'clock and her husband called me from Connecticut to say she didn't show up at
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work and she's not answering her phone and he checked her uh uh he tried calling tried calling he was going to
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call her mom and he said she was swinging by can you swing by and knocked on the front door and nobody answered
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and the lights were on I could see her purses on the countertop and she didn't answer I pounded pounded and he gave me
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the key code to get into the garage door oil for the garage door and and the doors leading to it was open
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his dog ran out I don't know if he left or not and uh and I walked and I just opened up the door I walked in the door
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and she grabbed on the floor and there's a big bash in the back of her head okay is the vehicle at her
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house or no the vehicle is at her house yes in the garage did you let the same where you entered
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or did you leave the front door no no I just I I touched her and I just freaked out and I walked outside okay
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when you walked outside did you walk out the front door did you walk back out the
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garage door back out the garage door and I uh I closed the door because the dogs
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were at home so I did touch the handle that's all right you just went through the I'm
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sorry I just a moment yeah so you would I'm sorry you just um went through the front door or the garage
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door I'm very sorry I went through the garage okay that's fine if you sent her that you exited the same door that's
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fine yeah um all right yeah okay and so the you were there because they asked you to take care of the house
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is that correct Mark her husband called me to say please can you check on her because he's not
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like her not to show up to work and be late okay so and I know you told me before
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but when um after he called the truck and his wife because I'm talking about okay he gave me
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another he gave me the code number he sounded a little you know whatever and he received the call from
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work saying she wasn't there I I don't know okay that's fine you know he's he's her office manager oh she's
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the office manager of his business no he's the office manager of her medical practice okay yeah and we're two
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right now I believe he's in Connecticut that's what he told me foreign I can't see her falling or anything like
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that I just looked and I thought my dad you know she's my friend right exactly you're doing it really well you're doing
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a fantastic job you did a great job I you know the deputies aren't around so is the ambulance
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yeah are you doing a fantastic job I'm sure they're going to have her a little bit further
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um you know more questions and everything for you you're doing great okay I just let them know that you're outside
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the fire guys are here okay great okay go let's go yeah she's sad okay go ahead go ahead and hang out with me there's
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don't hang up no go ahead and hang up with me okay okay goodbye all right bye thank you
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foreign [Music] you just heard the 9-1-1 call and then later the news came out that a mother of
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two identified as Dr Teresa Ann Sievers 46 years old was the victim of a homicide in Bonita Springs Florida
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this was on the morning of June 29 2015. and the Lee County Sheriff's Office authorities were asking for
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anyone who had heard or saw anything in connection to this to call them now Teresa was found on Monday at 9 45
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a.m after the Lee County Sheriff's Office responded to the 9-1-1 call from the neighbor employees at her office
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this is the restorative health and Healing Center in Estero said that she didn't show up for work on
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Monday despite having patients scheduled to see her neighbors said Teresa was a loving family woman and they wanted
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answers they are now left asking who could have done this to her Kimberly Torres lives next door and said
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an investigator came to her house three hours later and told her that her neighbor had been killed in a very
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gruesome Manner and again the cops are asking for any suspicious activity to be reported at the same time authorities
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also Advocate basic safety precautions to everyone in the area especially persons living in the immediate area
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this including locking doors to homes into vehicles so now we have to wonder why was a
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mother of two killed and by whom here's some background information regarding the victim now Teresa and Grace
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Tottenham was born November 19 1968 in Derby Connecticut she was the daughter of John and Mary Ann
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she was the third of four children Teresa had a sister and two brothers she would graduate twice as a valedictorian
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first from high school in 1986 and then from Fairfield University in 1990 with the masters in science and biology in
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1996 she graduated with honors from Ross University School of Medicine she completed her residency at the
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University of Florida in Jacksonville where she was awarded resident of the year then became board certified to
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practice medicine in 2003 Teresa met Mark Sievers Mark was a nurse and at this point Teresa was a recently
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divorced doctor they met in 2003 and it was a quick courtship they were married not too long after in Saint Petersburg
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Florida then six months later Mark and Teresa had their first daughter then after the couple moved to Bonita Springs
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in 2006 Teresa opened her practice and was on staff as well at the Naples Community Hospital for those of you not
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familiar with Bonita Springs well it's sort of wedged between Fort Myers and Naples Florida there's a lot of 4 P.M
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dinners going on if you know what I mean in 2007 what does that mean there's a lot of old people yeah there's
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a lot of old people having dinner at 4 P.M and I thought it was like a sexual thing that I didn't know what you're
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talking about a lot of 4 P.M dinners happening oh yeah that's me yeah that's some
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long term you didn't know about not sexual oh it's just a bunch of old people eating dinner yeah and maybe
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that's sexual to some people in 2007 they had another child another daughter and then Dr Seavers practiced um she
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practiced holistic medicine her motto to her patience was I'm passionate about empowering you to tap into the doctor
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within you in her free time she strongly supported local charities giving back to the
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community in 2008 she became directly involved with a an organization called our mother's home of Southwest Florida
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and she was a teacher to teen mothers and their babies well her practice was interesting because it was kind of a
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blending of eastern and western medicine practices now with a husband and two kids why was Theresa home alone where
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was the rest of her family when she was attacked when the attack occurred well as we heard in the 9-1 call from the
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neighbor the husband Mark sivers called the neighbor asking him to go and check on Teresa the neighbor says on the 9-1-1
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call that Mark is in Connecticut or at least has told him that he is in Connecticut so a little timeline of what
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was known early in the investigation the neighbor was correct in his statement to
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the 9-1-1 operator the Sievers family of four Teresa Mark and the kids had been in the state of Connecticut in fact Mark
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and the two daughters still were in Connecticut when it was discovered Teresa had been attacked and killed
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Teresa had family in the state of Connecticut the four went there as a vacation and to visit with family some
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people might think this is a little strange I do I do not think that it's strange that we have them traveling
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separate there was some event some family event on that Sunday in Connecticut that they
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did not want to miss so rather than miss this event marking the two daughters attended this event while Teresa
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prepared to leave going to the airport and flying home on that day on June 28th Teresa sends a
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text to her husband saying call me when you're on Highway and know where are you
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going now at some point and I'm sure a lot of us have done this I know I have Mark may have accidentally tried to
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FaceTime his wife because she texts Teresa text back to him right I'm not FaceTiming an airport I assume was by
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mistake as we just hung up and to which Mark Sievers then responds yes so that evening Teresa boarded a plane
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she flew out of Connecticut she landed at Southwest Florida International Airport on the Sunday yes Sunday night
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this would have been late at night arriving at the airport around 10 30ish that night when she lands she then calls
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Mark to tell him that she has arrived safely Teresa is then spotted on Airport surveillance cameras walking through the
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airport and rolling her bag just behind her according to the time stamp on her parking receipt she Departed the parking
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garage at 10 55 PM now it's about a 25 minute drive from the airport to the Sievers home she drove her van home
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pulled into the driveway opened up the garage door and parked the van inside the garage
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and we're assuming she shut the garage door yes she closed the garage door now it was at 9 15 a.m the following day on
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Monday the Dr Teresa Sievers she's not shown up to work by this time she already has patients that have supposed
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to have seen her right so the office calls her husband Mark they call his cell phone
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and they say hey she's not at work he's he seems alarmed and he calls the neighbor the neighbor this is his name
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is Mark petrates he goes over to the home and he finds Teresa Sievers dead on the floor and Hammer beside her body he
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calls 9-1-1 now the people living in Teresa siva's neighborhood they are all in a panic uh after they they've been
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told what had happened they've been they're being asked by police if they have seen anything heard anything you
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know the police were asking about any suspicious behavior in the neighborhood if anyone had heard any dogs barking
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late that night and of course they're asking all these questions of of the neighbors but they're not being told
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anything other than that there was a murder and it was gruesome so they're they're pretty panicked right now
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they're they're wondering it was this a break-in and if so are their homes and their lives in danger is there some kind
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of madman on the loose Tuesday Morning the day after her body was found a sign was placed on the office door of
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Teresa's practice and the sign read attention with much sadness we are to inform our
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patients that on 6 29 15 Dr severs has passed away with all due respect we ask everyone to minimize the questioning as
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it is still under investigation prayers and donations are more than welcome to her family as anything and
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everything will be grateful at this time of Sorrow we appreciate your understanding and
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patience as the practice is still at a standstill temporarily until further notice
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we are acquiring Physicians to transition all of Dr seaver's patients but at this time we have a doctor
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extending his professional courtesy temporarily for emergency medication purposes only for the next 30 days Dr
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seaver's office is open for phone calls and messages but please allow 24 hours for a response alright so Sunday Dr
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Sievers gets back Monday her neighbor finds her Tuesday the cops were there Monday the
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cops were there Tuesday family returned Monday night and that's pretty much where we're at right and the
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investigators like you had said Captain they were there all day Monday all day Tuesday detectives returned Wednesday
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morning to continue the investigation at that time they had called in the southwest Florida Criminal Justice
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Academy members a team of Academy members to help them calm the area they were seen combing through a high grass
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in land area at a park across from the scene then at this time the Lee County Sheriff's Office they were asking
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neighbors to remain Vigilant and if they have seen any suspicious activity to please report it so this is two days
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after the bodies found they're asking the neighbors to remain Vigilant you know that that's that's scary they've not
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presented them any information right but as an as one of the people in the neighborhood you'd start assuming that
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they're uh the angle that they're proceeding with is that it was a break-in right
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yeah because they they keep asking the the neighbors for information the people have you seen anything have you seen
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anything strange since then but we have no sign of force entry correct now also on that Wednesday employees of
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a home security business arrive on the scene as well and they spoke with detectives neighbors and media had
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spotted these people from the home security company not only talking with detectives but entering and exiting the
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Sievers home from talking with people in the area uh nearby neighbor this is what the police
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had gathered sorry from talking with people in the in the area a nearby neighbor Damon Laporte right said that
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he had heard arguing Monday outside he said that he noticed he also had noticed a red car
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in the driveway in the siever's driveway twice last week and he had never seen this car before
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there are other reports of this arguing or yelling that that this man had heard and from what I can gather there's a
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there's a bit of a loose time frame on what time this would have been for the arguing and the yelling that was heard
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in the area but it would have occurred between the hours of 5 and 6 a.m Monday morning so just about four to five hours
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before Teresa's body was found seems like there's more questions than answers let's get right back to this after a
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quick beer break foreign [Music] [Music] we are back Captain you said it perfectly right before the break there a
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lot of questions not much answers and I wonder you know I have to think to myself what questions I have what
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questions do you have when we look at this thing just after days into the investigation when we're not being told
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anything well the obvious question is is this a break-in yeah yeah I I think so you know you have
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to wonder several things one how did the attacker gain entry into the home and two what would be the motive you
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know did someone break into the house and Teresa comes home unexpectedly startled the intrudal Intruder and then
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is attacked and killed and what we hear our argument that Monday morning so she comes home Sunday
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night that means she'd be alive the whole time when the intruder's in the house until
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Monday morning well maybe a break-in in the middle of the the night you know so and what was the time of death we don't
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know that at this point right and you also have to wonder if you know could somebody have followed
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her home saw her walking alone at the airport or driving alone there are several three four lane roads on that
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route you could pull up to a stoplight look over to your right or left and see a pretty woman driving beside by herself
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follow her home right and all we know from the 9-1-1 cause that her body is cold this is coming from a doctor so we
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don't know how you know I don't know how long it takes for a body to become cold
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he says that her head is bashed in um does he mention the hammer and the 9-1-1 call yeah he does and I'm glad you
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bring this up because this is where I think we have to go from here when we don't have any information I think we
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can look to this 9-1-1 call and see what we can gather and piece together so as you said he finds her the neighbor finds
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her dead on the floor right he he's calling from the driveway uh by this point he has fled the house right uh he
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states that he did see the hammer laying next to her and he he says that half the
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blood was wet and half the blood was dry okay in his opinion this is interesting too
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because we have you know an ex kind of an expert opinion it's not the same as you know myself
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running into this scene and discovering the body this is a person that kind of knows what to look for and probably can
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describe these things better he knows what to look for as far as you the medical side of things but he doesn't do
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autopsies and stuff I no I'd argue that um we'd have a little more knowledge of looking at a crime scene than maybe this
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individual would yeah he he does but question for you go ahead he leaves the house
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would you would you leave the house yes and he States specifically that he left the house because he wasn't certain
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if whoever had done this was still in the house but he's clear that she's dead so I don't follow him for you know she's
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dead there's no point of him staying there in the house if the Intruder is still there or Intruders well and I
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think we can assume this that we know he touched her right because he says that the body was cold right so we know that
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by his own admission he touched her so there's a chance that he he saw her lying there his first reaction as a
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doctor somebody that's able to help is probably let me check her pulse if she's still alive I'm going to stay here and
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try to rescue this person you're right he touches her she's cold no pulse get out of there yeah one thing that was
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smart by this uh the the this poor guy that happened to stumble upon the scene uh he exits the home the same way that
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he came into the home yeah so he's not going to contaminate the area anymore well everything he touched he was able
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to tell the 911 reporter even though she wasn't really paying attention to anything he was saying now he states
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that he he had started by going to the front door knocking several times this was after he was contacted by Mark who
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had told Mark or had told the neighbor that he had tried calling Teresa's phone several times and nobody answered
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he says that through a window he could see Teresa's purse on a countertop [Music]
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Mark then gives the neighbor the garage code he gets in to the garage and he says that the van their van is parked in
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the garage as he would expect the door to the house is unlocked and he went when he went in there he States
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something about one of the dogs got out right so she's attacked in the home and they have what sounds to be two dogs or
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maybe more dogs because he says one of the dogs ran out so one big thing that that tells me just personally here I'm
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going to kind of eliminate the break-in Theory I find that the breaking Theory to be very unlikely after applying what
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is gained from the information provided in the 9-1-1 call you know the thought that maybe there
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was a break-in and is interrupted when Teresa comes home and then she's attacked uh the the break the Intruder
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attacks the homeowner my first thought would be what I would consider to to be an
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obvious problem with that theory first off if you're an intruder in the home after dark and Teresa comes home you
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have you have fight or flight right I would think that flight would be the most likely by far for several reasons one it
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takes a special kind of low life to kill someone so just in choosing fight instead of flight would be a smaller
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percentage then we know that she parked her vehicle in the garage so unless this
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Intruder is making a lot of noise in the home they would have heard the garage door this giving them some kind of extra
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time to flee and you would also you would also know what entrance the person or person's returning to the home would
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be entering so you could flee through a different exit if you heard the garage door or you know someone is arriving at
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the home but you don't know how many people you know that this all seems more reasons to run rather than to stick
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around and and hold your ground yeah you don't know if you know it's a group of football players that live there unless
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you case the house the other thing that seems strange captain and I don't know anything about these dogs so I'm not
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going to pretend to know if they're giant dogs or little dogs or if they're the most friendly dogs in the world I
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have no clue but there's what we believe to be two or more dogs in the home because we can get this from
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the 9-1-1 call the dogs don't they weren't attacked um they weren't locked up right so the
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Intruder seems to just be chilling at the house with the dogs it's just it seems very unlikely to me that she
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returned home to startle somebody and then they're startled to the point where they attack her yeah more plausible that
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somebody followed or home I mean somebody could have been just at the airport sees this um
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small I think she's only five foot something like maybe it's just five foot yeah like I think she uh someone had
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stated she was four eleven yeah so she's small she's attractive woman and so somebody could have been following her
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home and she's obvious obviously alone right what I mean by that is if you view the footage of her walking in the
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airport it's not even like you there's nobody even walking anywhere around her that you could mistakenly think they
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were with her she's yeah but she's alone alone right A lot of people would assume
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that this uh lady is going to be picked up you know somebody's going to pick her up
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from the airport that's normally what happens but her car was parked there so they could have followed the car home
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from the airport yeah and then you have to risk it if you if you do follow her is she returning to
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a home where there's somebody waiting for her yeah you know but it's just simple she opens the garage door you see
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no other cars you know because you're in um now the neighbor says that this is murder he says you know this was a
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murder on the 911 call so obvious to him she was bashed in the back of the head as he States the autopsy findings that
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was released would reflect what the neighbor had told the 911 operator now the autopsy is long graphic and frankly
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when I can find them I I do read them but they are always very hard to get through we don't need to go through
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everything here but I'll give you a summarized version uh with only the necessary details Teresa was found in
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the kitchen of the home on the kitchen floor now the neighbor says in the call she was hit in the back of the head so I
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kind of assumed from the call that we were looking at maybe a possibly a sneak attack maybe she was hit from behind and
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she goes down and it's a a one deadly hit type situation or the hit from behind she goes down and then more hits
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to complete the job no from from my eye here and you get keep in mind my my eye has only been trained here in the garage
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it's an untrained eye and it's infected and it's it has pink eye double pink eye
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double pink eye from what I read in the autopsy captain Teresa saw the attacker coming at her
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um because she was struck many times and it doesn't appear to me that the attacker was able to
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hit their Mark so to say um she was she was moving is what I believe and she also attempted to block
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these strikes at her there was bruising and marks on her left shoulder and even more
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bruising in marks to her right forearm like she put her arm up to kind of guard herself or Shield herself right while
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the scalp area would appear to have been the attended Target from the autopsy but due to the struggle
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she was hit in the face and near the ears a couple of times eventually the damage was done to the scalp though the
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the medical examiner also received the hammer that was found lying next to her it was described in the autopsy as a
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black hammer with a red handle there was a good deal of Blood on the hammer and there was dark blonde hair found wrapped
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around the handle just under the head of the hammer right she was hit 17 times and judging by the size of the hits and
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the Damage Done in comparison to the flat side of the hammer head it was the hammer that was found next to her that
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was used in the the attack yeah which is not um likely all the time to to find the
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the murder weapon right beside the victim yeah and left at the scene you know um very strange that this item
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wasn't taken with them and now police were able to determine that the hammer did not come from it didn't belong to
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the Siever family it wasn't like a disorganized killer showed up unprepared and grabbed the first thing he could
00:35:48
find when she returned home well that I think shows premeditation we have to I want to give a lot of credit to the Lee
00:35:55
County Sheriff's Department for several reasons and and and you know I don't want anybody to be weird about this
00:36:01
because I know it's sad that you have to give praise to people for doing their job but we have we have to because we
00:36:09
have certainly seen plenty of cases Captain where for whatever reason a law enforcement agency didn't follow
00:36:16
procedure they botched the investigation or this is the one that really bothers me the most they just did a lazy sloppy
00:36:25
job and I my feeling is Captain is that's not the situation here my friends what I what I see early in this
00:36:33
investigation is is lots of thorough work being conducted by a smart and organized law enforcement outfit they
00:36:42
roped off the scene and re they remained there searching and processing the crime
00:36:47
scene for over a week this producing evidence coming from inside the home obviously at one point they were spotted
00:36:54
carrying out a door from the home the door appeared to have been covered impossible uh possibly fingerprinting
00:37:01
dust right it was reported to the local newspapers and TV stations people having
00:37:06
witnessed technicians arriving and taking saliva and hair samples from the Sievers dogs
00:37:13
at one point they had the whole entire neighborhood blocked off no one gets in no one gets out
00:37:20
they brought in teams to calm the area in a grid search they went door to door conducting interviews thus getting the
00:37:27
possible tip about the red car and then the noises or the argument heard coming in the five to six a.m hour
00:37:35
Lee County was also questioning members of both Mark's family and Teresa's family during this week's time trying to
00:37:43
turn trying to determine who had done this there was also they were also questioning people at Teresa's medical
00:37:49
practice and people in her profession so other doctors people that had worked for
00:37:54
Dr Seaver and this included patience as well now some things started to stand out
00:38:00
from these interviews the first is while Teresa was extremely smart hard-working
00:38:05
dedicated to her job and her patience right she was uh I want to try to put this politely she
00:38:13
was a pistol there you go yeah she was a tough cookie she was she was known to yell and get loud with some of her staff
00:38:21
from time to time it sounds like she was quite bossy with her husband Mark right
00:38:27
uh and this was a little surprising she was even she was even known to have raised her voice from time to time at
00:38:34
some of her patients yeah but okay so you know she is a businesswoman she has her own practice right so she is a
00:38:44
driven individual so my point is is that if it was a man doing that he would just
00:38:49
be considered driven right but sometimes people paint her in a light of that she's a little [ __ ] right but yeah
00:38:57
that word was thrown around a little bit and like I said if if she was a man running a business they wouldn't call
00:39:04
her [ __ ] they would say that they wouldn't call the guy [ __ ] they would say he's driven and he was a go-getter
00:39:09
that's what she was you know well here's the other thing too and I I think we have to weigh this against her
00:39:17
let's say bossiness or or how direct she was from time to time right I think direct is the
00:39:23
right word that I want I weigh this against it she's she's in the medical profession
00:39:28
she's dealing with serious business with serious issues people's lives could be on the line maybe not in this hour or
00:39:35
this day but eventually half those people are probably you're either seeing her because of one of two reasons either
00:39:41
a you want to remain healthy or B you are currently unhealthy in in need of attention right so I think there's no
00:39:50
there's no mincing of words with her I think she's just saying hey look we can keep you healthy we or we can make you
00:39:57
healthy but you need to do this and you need to do this and this right if you don't do these things
00:40:02
I can't help you I can't make you do these things you know you the old you lead a horse to water but you can't make
00:40:09
them drink thing and same thing with her the the people that worked for her you know they they
00:40:14
said that she was they didn't say she was a bad person they just said she was a firecracker you know that she wanted
00:40:20
things done right she wanted things done her way and in a timely manner and if that's also why she's number one in high
00:40:28
school number one in college and she has her own practice right yeah so I I think these are all traits
00:40:37
that can be uh where some people might say they would be harmful and you know that maybe
00:40:42
she didn't have a good bedside manner about her I would also argue that maybe when you're dealing with this type of
00:40:49
business uh life or death situations sometimes people need a little tough love they need direct Stern people to
00:40:55
guide them and direct them and hopefully it works and keeps them healthy now one strange coincidence
00:41:03
that they came up with and one thing that kind of stood out regarding these these investigations and interviewing
00:41:11
some of the people that had worked for her worked in her field and her family and this this is Sandra Hoskins she
00:41:20
worked for Teresa and Sandra has been described by Teresa at times as a disgruntled employee Dr Teresa Sievers
00:41:32
and Sandra didn't always see eye to eye and they weren't really getting along at
00:41:37
work and Sandra's husband this is Frank his name's Frank had worked for Teresa as well he had actually been let go just
00:41:45
months before the attack Sandra and Dr Teresa in fact having such a rough time of it getting along in the
00:41:52
office Sandra was planning to turn in her resignation on the very same day on that Monday that the doctor the doctor
00:42:01
Teresa Sievers was found dead yeah that's a little suspicious very strange well and so if it's not a
00:42:11
break-in right right we have to look at who was she close to was there any motive again like you said investigating
00:42:19
the patients there could be a disgruntled patient there could be a disgruntled employee
00:42:25
Sandra she was going to turn in her notice and also the husband now the issue with the husband is we have
00:42:33
Alibi after Alibi because he's with his kids and family in Connecticut it's like
00:42:39
13 1400 miles away well right but on top of that you have all these eyewitnesses
00:42:45
right so Sandra the employee and Dr Teresa they're actually not getting along to the point where this was brought to
00:42:54
the attention of the police by patience so patients going into the office could recognize that these two were not
00:43:02
getting along right so that's when the police they decide to bring in Sandra and her husband Frank
00:43:11
they're brought in for questioning this is on July 3rd so less than a week after
00:43:16
the murder now her husband Frank when he was questioned by police they wanted to know if he had ever had a
00:43:24
sexual relationship inside or even outside of the office with Dr Teresa Sievers his boss right
00:43:33
now we do have to mention that both Sandra and Frank they were cooperating with police they weren't you
00:43:42
know standoffish they didn't even hire an attorney uh they went in there and they answered their questions
00:43:48
as are Mark Sievers and his family and Teresa's family you know Mark even gave the police his cell phone and his
00:43:56
computer turned him over to the police Upon returning from uh the trips to Connecticut well one of the reasons why
00:44:04
they asked Frank that which used to be like an office manager for Teresa did you have a sexual relationship with her
00:44:13
you know we have two married couples right but when they get them when they get the phone records and they get the
00:44:20
um computer records from Theresa's husband mark it comes out pretty quickly that they don't have the traditional
00:44:28
marriage it's kind of open yeah they're also kind of swingers so yeah they're uh
00:44:37
kinky individuals uh yeah by all sides and at that point I think you know the cops are probably going well this opens
00:44:45
up a lot more possibilities yeah for motive yeah well obviously an affair any type
00:44:51
of Affair going on is going to bring up the possibility of motive you know and what the motive would be whether would
00:44:58
it be the the boyfriend attacking Teresa or would it be the husband the jealous husband finding out but but the thing is
00:45:06
but you could be swinging with another couple that somebody got mad that the wife got mad or
00:45:12
I mean it just opens up a lot of possibilities so where I can't say for certain that this this question through
00:45:18
Frank for a loop um I think that it was very well orchestrated by the police this was
00:45:26
something they were probably intending to ask anyone any man that had a close relationship with Teresa whether it be
00:45:35
working or just friends maybe but I I also think because he was fired and they're probably trying to get down to
00:45:41
the bottom of why he was fired and also Frank is a handsome man and he was also uh in really good physical shape so
00:45:51
maybe that they just assumed like here you got these two Attractive people she is an open marriage so you know this
00:46:00
wouldn't put it wouldn't put it past her because as far as her the rules of her marriage go
00:46:06
that's not out of bounds so it just might be out of balance to his and now that gives double motive for Sandra
00:46:13
right right she wanted to quit the job she's going to turn it in her notice and all by the way her husband slept with
00:46:19
her boss and here's the thing Captain you bring up a you present a very interesting
00:46:24
angle that I wasn't thinking about when you said that he had been fired when Frank had been let go I believe one
00:46:31
report I read stated that he was fired by Mark Sievers right uh just so we should probably clear this up here just
00:46:38
in case anybody's wondering Dr Teresa Seavers she's obviously the doctor she's she's the practicing medicine right Mark
00:46:45
Sievers her husband was a office manager he kind of ran the office for her uh so
00:46:52
this would have made him you know you office manager as far as uh the building probably security of people but not like
00:47:02
running records and stuff like that back and forth yeah so you have other people
00:47:07
working there Sandra you have uh Frank working there as well but these pers these people would have also been
00:47:13
working under Mark Sievers as well right um so the thing here is we and we should
00:47:20
also be clear that because we're kind of dancing around this and and talking through it at the same time but just so
00:47:27
everybody is clear Frank was not sleeping with Dr Teresa right they they did not have any type of relationship
00:47:34
other than a working relationship well Frank and his wife which both worked for deceivers didn't know that they had to
00:47:43
open marriage right or that they did any kind of swinging at all so I think that's pretty interesting
00:47:54
um and before we get a bunch of letters about open marriages and Swinging look every couple that every couple and their
00:48:03
relationship has kind of different set of rules and guidelines that the relationship creates so I'm not going to
00:48:13
try to speculate at all what what was inbounds and out of bounds right you know I mean uh because obviously close
00:48:21
people that worked with them didn't even know that they had this uh type of relationship so it'd be tough for us to
00:48:28
uh because there's a lot of rumors and we can get to this a little bit later but there was also rumors that Mark had
00:48:34
multiple girlfriends yes he did right and you there's a lot of text evidence of this the problem I have with
00:48:43
them saying that therefore that is motive for the husband which we know is so far away
00:48:53
my problem with that is was that in bounds or out of bounds as far of his as far as his relationship went so they
00:49:01
have released I mean they the State of Florida they have released like 10 000 text messages back and forth between uh
00:49:12
Teresa and Mark and we're going to read them all tomorrow yes it's gonna be it's
00:49:17
gonna be three hours of texting I'll be reading the part of Dr Teresa Sievers and the captain will be reading the part
00:49:24
of Mark Sievers so tune in I can't bet you can't wait it's going to be hot no steamy no we're not gonna do that I only
00:49:31
I only brought that up because uh while you say that he had other relationships now keep in mind this appears to be an
00:49:39
open marriage at at points of this marriage I want to be clear about that it doesn't appear that this was going on
00:49:44
throughout the entirety of the marriage but at portions of their marriage they had what appears to to be an open
00:49:52
marriage meaning that they both had other relationships and not only did they both have other relationships and
00:49:58
the captain brings up Mark having possible other girlfriends or other encounters with women let's say right
00:50:06
um it appears through those text messages and it's actually quite obvious that Teresa knew about these other women
00:50:14
that Mark communicated to her about them and about things that were going on and
00:50:20
not only did she know about them it also appears from her text that she was not only just okay with it but at times
00:50:28
may have encouraged it yeah but this whole situation is is a little odd because again I've never been in an open
00:50:36
relationship it's not for me it's not something every time I'm single I'm I'm in an open relationship and I'm single
00:50:43
I'm in open relationships the door is open um but I've had friends I've had friends
00:50:50
uh a good friend of mine out in La of course it has to be La there you go um but they were together for a long
00:50:57
time and then it was like we're gonna try this open relationship and it seemed very I still remember him saying well we
00:51:07
can do this because we're so mature and I thought okay well let's see how well this goes
00:51:13
um but it went well for a while but they did end up having a Fallout and so just
00:51:19
because okay so on two sides one just because you have girlfriends doesn't mean that you have motive or there's
00:51:27
motive to get rid of your wife but that also doesn't mean that there isn't motive just because she knows about the
00:51:35
relationship what if you fall in love with one of them and then you're like well I love her now I gotta get rid of
00:51:42
this one well and I think what you and I can agree on here over beers is that regardless of what their relationship
00:51:49
was look at me in the eyes regardless of what their relationship was and what the
00:51:54
rules of their you know engagement was right that however they choose to live their lives doesn't make them good or
00:52:02
bad based off of that they're not you can't throw them in the good person or bad person category just because of this
00:52:08
oh definitely not so I I think here's what I want to do though so I do want to bring up too that there was also
00:52:14
something else that was go ahead my point though was that you can't uh you know if it seems in this open
00:52:21
relationship that if people are mature enough then there wouldn't be jealousy issues I'm just saying that that kind of
00:52:29
stuff can stop on a dime where it's like oh it's really not that big of a deal and then one day it becomes a big deal
00:52:37
exactly I get you okay all right but the the one thing I wanted to bring up here
00:52:41
as I see that we're running out of time and out of well now that we're uh liquid
00:52:47
encouragement well now that we're open marriage experts and swinger experts Dr Laura
00:52:56
uh Manning the phones well I did meet a couple one time in the hot tub you know there you go at one point uh there was
00:53:03
something that was learned during police questioning and remember the members of a local Security
00:53:10
Service having been seen talking to the police outside the Seavers home yeah and
00:53:16
even entering the home well they had a security system yes yes they had the Sievers owned and which if you can
00:53:24
afford it I I recommend this to everyone get a secure not a paid sponsor they own
00:53:29
a home security system the police found the system to be in good working and operating fashion
00:53:36
the home was being monitored by the security company so why and how did the attacker or attackers get into the good
00:53:44
doctor's home and attack her right the the police had the security monitoring company out at the crime scene
00:53:52
because they wanted them to they wanted them to be able to decipher something very important the police wondered could
00:53:59
the attacker could could they have somehow tricked the security system or did they know the code
00:54:08
right and and the other thing you do have to wonder obviously or maybe Teresa had just disarmed the alarm when she got
00:54:15
there and did not set it uh when the attacker decided to enter the home or get into the home which is possible the
00:54:21
other possibility is that the family was gone on vacation the whole family uh and they were having Teresa's mother
00:54:30
Mark's mother Mark's mother my bad Mark's mother come into the house and walk uh look after the dogs yeah so they
00:54:39
have dogs uh Mark's mother Bonnie Sievers they here's we should be clear the monitoring company
00:54:49
emphatically told the police they this system has not been interfered with right nobody tricked this system so then
00:54:56
they have to figure out okay was the system on and off and they can get these records and they got them from the
00:55:01
monitoring company what they were able to conclude from talking to Bonnie Sievers Mark's mother
00:55:07
as well as going to the records of the times that the monitoring system was armed or disarmed well I'm also talking
00:55:16
with Mark as well yeah the the dogs were to be let out and fed a few times each day and Bonnie Sievers would come over
00:55:25
two or three times a day usually in the morning and then again in the evening and she would collect the mail she would
00:55:33
feed the dog she would let them out these sorts of things according to the monitoring records on
00:55:39
Sunday morning Bonnie Sievers just after 8 A.M she reactivated the alarm system then later that day this is around 4 P.M
00:55:48
Mark Sievers from all the way in Connecticut spoke on the phone with his mother she had had some she said that she had
00:55:58
had some trouble with the Sievers alarm system it wasn't working or operating the way she thought it should
00:56:05
and Mark at that point instructed his mother that since this was on Sunday that since she was having trouble with
00:56:13
it it wouldn't be necessary for her to set the alarm when she left for the last time that day because Teresa would be
00:56:19
home later that night right so at 4 13 p.m Bonnie Sievers went to the home tended to the dogs and left the Sievers
00:56:29
residents without arming the alarm system thank you foreign [Music] until tomorrow everybody stay safe out
00:56:50
there be good be kind and don't litter [Music]