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[Music] [Music] foreign [Music] Ty leads the FBI is checking an area man resembling the drawing of the suspect he
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left his job last Friday has not returned but authorities will not comment further on that Amy disappeared
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from the shopping center a week ago today and today FBI agents in Bay Village Police were back in the center
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talking with people who might have been here then Amy reportedly left Bay square with a
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man she believed to be a friend sometime between 1 and 4 P.M last Friday the shopping center was busy but few who
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were here remembered anything unusual about the man and the girl what went on uh was a ploy that was developed and
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carried through and it looked like a natural action going on it didn't look out of the ordinary at all today in that
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same one to four pm time frame officers were trying to jog memories of Shoppers to possibly recall something from a week
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ago that they did not consider important then [Music] police want anyone else who was here
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last Friday afternoon to call them regardless of whether they believed they saw anything police also are seeking
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other children who might have been contacted by phone as Amy was by a man as a friend seeking the child's help in
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buying a gift for a parent you have had some of those yes we have how many uh I'm aware of at least three perhaps more
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John Harrington Channel 3 News [Music] foreign [Music] this year in episodes 308 and 309 titled Amy mihalovic that
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was from June of this year we were able to do a detailed timeline of this case this is an unsolved abduction assault
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and murder case of a 10 year old girl ten-year-old Amy mihalovic this weekend unfortunately will Mark a sad
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anniversary it will now be 30 years to the day that Amy was abducted taken from a small Shopping Plaza
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that was just walking distance from her Middle School the abduction was not a violent one Amy
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did not scream this was not a snatch and grab situation a man calmly walked up to her and she
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left with this grown man this was witnessed by two of her classmates now for anyone who is unfamiliar with
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this case Don't Panic you don't have to go back and listen to episodes 308 and 309 before listening to this week's
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coverage we are covering this case in a way that these are pretty much stand-alone portions of what is a very
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very big story so what is now a 30-year timeline of a very big case you get that in depth in
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those episodes for those that don't know our setup Captain you can listen to True
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Crime garage for free on anywhere that you listen to podcasts you can get episodes from the last six months or so
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now we have been doing this great show thanks to all of the wonderful listeners out there for four years
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so the older episodes you can listen to those for free when you download the free Stitcher app go to our website to
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learn more yeah some would say four years too long now I say all that Captain to point out that we did an
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in-depth interview with James Renner the only person who has authored a book that
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is devoted solely to Amy's case that was way back in March of 2016 episode 22. the purpose of this week is to discuss
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some of the suspects in this case now the information you are going to hear today comes from many sources this
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being in Ohio case the two of us have been watching this case for a very long time but one source that we will use
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often is Cleveland magazine this here is from their coverage on the 10-year anniversary which says the Amy
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mihalovic case became the most intense search for a child in local history involving every conceivable law
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enforcement agency and an army of volunteers federal state county and local law enforcement Personnel logged more than
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60 thousand official hours and thousands more off the clock hundreds of promising tips were tracked
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down and dismissed fourteen thousand people interviewed a hundred and twenty potential suspects investigated in
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question intensely eight thousand leads pursued and abandoned the story was featured in
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major newspapers and on national TV shows like America's Most Wanted and Unsolved Mysteries two million copies of
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the Amy poster were distributed that is in all 50 states and in Europe and all the way to Australia
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before we get to the suspects first let's get into some of the known and possible movements of the Killer we've
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talked at length about the phone call or calls to Amy's home setting up the Meetup at the plaza I do want to mention
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it sounds to me that police and FBI lean toward the idea that there was more than
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one call to Amy at home but regardless there was at least one we have talked extensively about the
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abductor choosing Friday as the meeting up day let's get into the other phone call the
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call from Amy to Margaret so for those not super familiar with the case the way this works is Margaret is at work Jason
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Amy's brother arrives home from school he calls his mother at work like he does every day on a typical day Amy would
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arrive home before Jason and Amy would call Margaret at work each day when she arrived home as well on this day Jason
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is the only one to call and he points out to his mother that Amy is not home this is not of great concern as Amy told
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her mother there was a choir try out that day at school okay then there was a second call on
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this call Again Margaret and Jason they determined that Amy is still not home now Margaret is a little panicked and
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she's going to leave work early but then and this is according to Cleveland magazine article at 3 40 p.m
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Margaret gets the call that she needed it's Amy calling to say everything is fine Margaret asked how the tryout went
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Amy said okay Margaret asks she said she had the impression that Amy was calling
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from home so they talked briefly and then bye bye see you soon that was the last time Margaret ever spoke to Amy
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now before we get into the experts and what they say about this last call I want to address this first
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for so many years in fact up until the last 18 or 24 months it has always just been accepted and understood that this
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call was made after Amy was in the company of her abductor now all of a sudden after all this time
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people are starting to call that into question I get it it's interesting to ponder but it seems extremely unlikely
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and of course we don't know for certain but we do know class got out at 2 10 that day Amy walked with friends and it
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only took a few minutes to get to the shopping plaza and most of the good timelines out there
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say that it was around 3 P.M when a man approached Amy spoke to her and led her away
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so according to the Cleveland magazine timeline we have 40 minutes that's a big discrepancy in time
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so I absolutely believe that Amy was in the company of her abductor by this point
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I think the call was made from a pay phone a motel phone or somewhere the abductor lived or was staying
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the interesting thing here I think is you can put a cap on the distance that they could have been from the plaza at
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the time of this call and the maximum would be a 40-minute drive from the plaza now people who believe that Amy
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would have behaved much differently during that phone call if in the company of her abductor that's fair but it's
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possible that Amy may have been unaware that she was being abducted yeah let's remember this is supposed to be a secret
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shopping trip to get a present for her mother so she wouldn't want to give away the surprise yeah he could have allowed
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her to call and reminding her hey don't you know don't give up on this idea that
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we got this secret shopping trip to do you can't tell your mother this now I've had some people question why I
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think that a pay phone is possible or would have been possible here they point out and this is very obvious but very
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good too they point out if she was afraid if Amy was afraid a pay phone out in the open she could
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have just fled the abductor then and there but you and I captain being Children of
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the 80s we are old enough to remember pay phones quite a bit and use them quite a bit when we were children
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and one thing that I want to point out is something that's kind of Forgotten today that at a lot of gas stations do
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you remember the pull-up pay phone the one that was constructed in a manner that wasn't in a booth but it was out
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and it was in a way that you would just pull up with your vehicle you wouldn't even get out of the vehicle you'd pull
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up and you could punch in the number and make the phone call from sitting inside
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of your vehicle yeah this could have been a situation that he used there what we do know is that a phone call happened
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we can't say for certain if she was quote unquote under his control you know meaning he had a gun or a knife on her
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or he had already expressed a threat to her that would have kept her under his control right but again let's think
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about this logically are you going to take that chance have her under your control she knows
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this is now abduction she knows now that she's in some kind of danger oh let's have her call her mother or do you keep
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playing it cool and yeah let you call your mother before we go shopping right either way we do know that the
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call happened we can only speculate what was going on at the time what the experts say about this phone call Amy
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checking in with her mother in the abductor allowing this call the first lead detective on the case Jim Tompkins
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said quote that's critical it bought him an hour or more precious getaway time for the man
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authorities were calling the unknown mail expert analysts also believe this event
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reveals important details about the unknown mail they are certain he was standing right there and that he may
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have known that Amy was supposed to call now this could be from something he learned from Amy on previous phone calls
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or in conversation on the day of the abduction or even possibly Amy threatening him if in fact by the time
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she figured out that he had abducted her he's she's saying I have to call home Mom and Dad
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will be looking for me you're going to be in trouble so some of the experts believe that he
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stood there and told Amy what to say during that call the late and great FBI agent Robert
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wrestler says it tells us he was executing a bold plot that included Amy her family and the police pointing out
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that the Bay Village Police Department headquarters is right across the street from the shopping plaza he goes on to
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say this is an intelligent man presentable well spoken this is a complicated personal crime
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when Amy's body was found in that field three months after her Abduction the Cuyahoga County coroner and the FBI
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scientists determined that Amy had been deceased for some time most likely the murder had occurred shortly after her
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abduction probably a few days or less she was not killed immediately Amy did eat at least one meal after she was
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taken maybe more her autopsy revealed blunt force trauma to the head and stab wounds to her neck it appears that the
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blunt force trauma on its own was not fatal but the stab wounds were over the years Captain there have been
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thousands of tips and hundreds of suspects and in this sense we are using the term suspects very Loosely some of
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these men were just look-alike suspects these were leads that the police received FBI received because somebody
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looked like one of the composite sketches right and we've seen this with like the Delphi murders somebody goes
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hey look this guy looks just like the sketch or just like the photo but they live in California and you
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can't prove that they were in Indiana at the time so that that's why I don't like
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some of these suspects well and it gets difficult for law enforcement because of
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of two factors one with the Amy case with the Delphi case not a lot to go on so you have to throw that sketch out
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there but they throw that sketch out to the public knowing that we're going to get a wealth of leads that are no good
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yeah you know they they only need the one good one but we're going to get a whole bunch of people coming forward
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saying I know somebody that looks just like this guy in Amy's case and the Amy composite sketches
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we pointed out in our previous episodes technically there were four composite sketches released over a it's a little
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more than a one year time period but there was a sketch released the first weekend and then FBI artists came
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in and did two sketches that appear on the same flyer and that's the one that I refer to as
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like the famous composite drawing where you see the two individuals now it was only one man that abducted her but we
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have two somewhat different looking individuals in that famous composite sketch one two of the eyewitnesses one
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claiming that they saw a man with glasses and one claiming they saw a man without glasses so that's where the
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initial I think confusion started yeah so the first composite drawing is basically a meshing of the two
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eyewitnesses accounts they were like all right we'll take we'll take everything throw it in a blender and boom this is
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the picture that pop that comes out the FBI artist did separate ones so why the reason why you're seeing two different
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composite drawings is one is from one eyewitness and one is from the other eyewitness both of these eyewitnesses
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were children 10 or 11 years old both both of these eyewitnesses were not up front and center when they saw this guy
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they were a distance away 25 30 feet away and saw this man interact with Amy the thing that law enforcement points
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out and has continued to point out over the years is they think that this is a very quote-unquote general description
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of somebody that this this is not somebody that is distinguishable right this is not somebody that would stand
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out in a crowd and that's why you get so many look-alike suspects because this kind of just looks like your average Joe
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right now investigators said that out of all of the potential suspects ever to appear on the radar screen less than two
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dozen remain priorities after acute investigating now early on on the local level there
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was rumored to be two very good suspects in fact these men they were suspects even before Amy's body was found suspect
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number one was Billy strewnick from Fairview Park he injected himself into the search
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efforts he joined the volunteers and helped to search for Amy he was questioned several times this both by
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Bay Village Police Department and the FBI his story was checked and then double checked according to Cleveland
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magazine Billy was found to have serious personal problems both medical and emotional but all unrelated to Amy's
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case months after Amy's disappearance he consumed a lethal amount of ethanol dry
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gas and died three days later right but to be clear they believe this was on purpose and this was technically a
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suicide yes and FBI agent Robert Ressler who was briefly involved in the case questioned this suspect personally
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wrestler maintained that he had a gut feeling that Billy strunek was hiding something
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wrestler later cited this suicide as a possible indication of guilt in wrestlers book whoever fights monsters
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wrestler says streunak was a good candidate to be the one they were calling the unknown male
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now all other investigators insist that he was not the guy Stephen Etter who was a supervisory
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special agent for the national center for the analysis of violent crime said after his death meaning sunak
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we had access to his home and belongings FBI agent dick Wren adds there was not a
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shred of evidence for this or any other crime Etter says that Billy strunek quote
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simply didn't have the capacity to commit this type of crime some in the local community believe he
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still could have been the guy we covered this angle of the investigation in depth on our other show
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off the Record yeah now I have a couple issues with the detectives the investigators saying that they don't
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think Billy was capable of doing this because most people probably wouldn't be capable
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of dying from a suicide by ingesting gasoline right gas so that takes a uh determined
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individual and I also think this is involvement in the search the involvement in the
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investigation the contact with the mother um and and like you said their big thing
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is well once he died from this suicide and wrestlers saying well I believe he's basically saying right because there's a
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suicide he believes that Billy had something to hide it might have been an indication of guilt that he was overcome
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by guilt or he was afraid that he was going to be arrested and people were going to find out what kind of monster
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he was and he's gonna have to spend the rest of his life Behind Bars any number of those reasons or all of them together
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would have been enough for this individual to commit suicide is what wrestler believes right and then so now
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you have these investigators go well he's dead now and so we can investigate this property but we didn't find any
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evidence of any crime I don't know why but my gut has always told me that this crime
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was the first uh uh as far as a killing would go by this individual there might be some inappropriate touching or
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looking or possibly even um exposing themselves to younger individuals but to me this is uh this is a one-time
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thing possibly never going to happen again and and so that would lead me to believe well look at somebody like Billy
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and he makes a really good suspect and then you go well well we investigated his house and his property and and all
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that stuff and we didn't see any sign of a crime well here's what we do now we know that there's a crime scene
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I would call it crime scene where he abducted her even though she went willing I'd still call that a crime
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scene and then we know that she went into a vehicle to me those are the two crime scenes and
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then plus where her body was found those are the three places that we know we don't have much evidence to suggest
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that she went back to his house or or went to anybody's house so I'm just saying that you can be searching in
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this location but it's like again what if like you were saying what if the phone call was made from a
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hotel or a motel and yeah so it's like you wouldn't find any evidence at his place because he never took the victim
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back there so look we we can't we could sit here and spin our tires all day and try to
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figure out why we have the FBI and we have other agencies later saying that he Billy strunek is not our guy they're not
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going to give us all those reasons what I will say though too right but it's not
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as clear that we we don't have like some strain of DNA that we can test to make sure that it's it's Billy or not Billy
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right correct there is physical evidence in this case but we do not have we do not have DNA evidence that we can
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test in the sense of of current types of Investigations so but but here's here's the thing we
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gotta we got to keep in mind while we're going through these suspects Okay so these same the same investigators or at
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least the same agencies are on record over the years as saying we're not going to 100 percent rule out
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anyone and we hear that like with the Delphi case now we can take that for their word we can
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take that for what that is supposed to mean we don't know exactly what that means behind closed doors and Behind
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these closed-door meetings that they're having regarding the suspects when they say that
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look I I think that if we're if we were going to create a top 10 list of of top 10 suspects in this case I didn't just
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go through and pick out suspects that were mentioned in the newspaper or mentioned in local rumor or anything
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like that I went through there was there's more than 10 of those I went through and I picked out ones
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that I believe should remain on some kind of top 10 list now this is just our own little garage list here but I would
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leave Billy strunek on that list until I had further information to lead me to believe that they are in fact right that
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he's not their guy they could have come across some things to say that he had a 100 Ironclad Alibi right for that day we
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don't we don't know that because that's never been said in the public they also one thing that I do want to to comment
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directly on though is where they say we simply don't believe that he had the capacity to commit this type of crime
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now you pointed out that he consumed ethanol and and killed himself and that takes a certain something I
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guess but it takes us something well but what what they may mean here in this is
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not so much that he couldn't have physically committed this type of crime they may firmly believe that he was of
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an emotional state or he was he had these personal problems they may fully believe that he could have
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physically committed this type of crime he wouldn't have been able to not crack or not tell someone or not come for you
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see what I mean like that right not only did this crime happen but the person as
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far as we know has also never confided in anyone never confessed to it never never had a mental break and just and
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just came clean or or freaked out so that might be what in fact that they mean on this and again though
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um yes there there is a crime scene that we are unaware of there was a place that
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she was killed that's the missing puzzle piece here um but what we have dick Wren saying is
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there was not a shred of evidence for this crime or any other crime that they could find at his home or in the
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belongings that they were able to view now there is local rumor in the area that
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uh and we we have wrestler who's on record saying this I don't know that it's in fact true but
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we have local rumor that the family removed his items or had access to his apartment before law enforcement did
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after his death because they weren't right they weren't fully aware that he was dead at the you know immediately
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after his death it took some time for that word to travel to them before they went in and looked at his apartment
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so there's a local rumor that it's like a it's a really good uh Family secret you know a Best Kept
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Family secret that Billy streuneck did in fact kill Amy mihalovic and his whole family knows about it and they know
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about it because they were able to view all of his belongings but what we would know later is that there are things
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missing from the crime scene there were items that Amy had on her person that have never been found never been located
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and we know for certain from dick wren's statement that they didn't find those items in the belongings or in the space
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that they were able to view regarding Billy strunek right which makes me wonder if the crime scene was a a
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vehicle those items could have been left in that vehicle that vehicle could have
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been discarded with all those uh items but one of the things I like about Billy is when she went missing he was a
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suspect when her body was found he was a suspect and I believe today he's still is a really good suspect
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foreign [Music] we're back cheers mates cheers to everyone so suspect number two and in
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fact he may have been one of the very first suspects even more so than Billy strunek
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he worked at the horse stable where Amy went horseback riding on the weekends some say he looks like the composite
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sketch personally I think that is debatable I would say his appearance was vaguely similar to one of the composite
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sketches so this is at the Holly Hill Farms riding stable where he works Amy was an
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avid horse rider she took lessons for two years and her favorite horse at Holly Hill was named Razzle
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Hill Farms which is no longer there but was for many years in fact it was just in the last few years that Holly Hill
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closed for Good selling off all of the Farmland to make room for new housing developments
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Holly Hill Farms was located on Nagle Road and the old address lists the farm as in Avon Lake but if you look at it on
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a map it was very close to where several communities meet you have Avon Lake West
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Lake and Bay Village Nagle Road was not far from the train tracks that ran behind the mahalovic
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home in fact the night that Amy went missing police and Mark mihalovic and friends were actually looking for Amy
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around those train tracks that was one area that they really focused on because Amy would ride her bike there and go
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back there and go back there with friends from the neighborhood so that was one area that if you could find her
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if there was a reasonable explanation as to why she was missing if she was out on
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her own plane they thought they might find her there this the the night that she went missing
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now at this time they're still trying to explain away why she is missing right there that no one was aware of the ruse
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used by the Predator to lure her to the shopping plaza right that info was not learned by the police department until
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Saturday morning that's when the case officially went from a missing person's case to a kidnapping and the FBI was
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immediately called in now most of that area back in 1989 was farmland the man that we are talking about the
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suspect His Name Was Harold bound he actually lived at the writing Stables where Amy went weekly
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this dude jumps on the radar for several reasons first early on investigators were fully focused on the call to Amy's
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house the ruse for the Meetup and abduction information in the call again could offer insights to who the
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perpetrator was they were working off of the idea at the time that the abductor may have known
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Amy Margaret or both persons involved with Holly Hill Stables would have known Amy and Margaret
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Margaret actually would ride horses there as well this man Harold bound he was the son of the owners of Holly Hill
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according to what I could find he was a Vietnam vet and he lived in an apartment
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above the garage at Holly Hill it seems that he was an avid Hunter stories have been told of persons going
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to the stables for writing lessons and seeing Harold what they said was he's wandering around
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and camouflage with a bow and arrow some I think thought this was weird maybe I mean maybe he was just hunting really
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from the stories I could find about his behavior it's really a mixed bag right so some of the girls at Holly Hill said
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things like we thought he was creepy even before Amy went missing others said he was strange but thought
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that he suffered from PTSD from the war years later his brother Greg would say that Harold was a suspect for a couple
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of reasons Greg says law enforcement said that Amy was taken away in a blue pickup truck
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the farm owned a blue pickup this from my understanding was a shared farm vehicle and Greg says Harold came
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home late on the night that Amy was abducted Harold bounds parents who owned the farm
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and lived on the property this kind of adds to to the whole scenario here they were actually out of
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town when she was abducted they were down in Florida for that weekend which would make make sense you know parents
00:34:30
are out of town that's where you're staying this is a perfect opportunity right and we both believe that the
00:34:36
abductor picked that Friday for some reason but investigators also said here's a guy
00:34:43
that probably left work and then probably didn't return so but that that would still put him in
00:34:51
that category rights right and to be clear I I Believe In that clip that we heard there's
00:34:58
they're talking about a different individual not herald-bound right right right but the interesting thing here is
00:35:04
if he lives on that property and works there his parents are the owners they're gone they're out of town yeah there
00:35:11
would have been other people in and out of Holly Hill Farm that day that weekend
00:35:17
but he doesn't really does he need to be accounted for no right I mean he he comes and goes as he pleases pretty much
00:35:25
correct now James Renner says when he first he actually interviewed or spoke to Harold on at least two occasions he
00:35:36
says that when first asked Harold says he didn't know Amy from any of the other students at the stable then later Harold
00:35:44
tells Renner a very specific story about a time that he saw Amy at the stable and
00:35:51
asked her a question so this is completely different stories from the same guy about the same situation two
00:35:57
completely different answers one to say I wouldn't have known her from any of the other girls to then go into a very
00:36:03
specific story about a time where he had an interaction with Amy right Harold was questioned by the FBI the day
00:36:12
after Amy was abducted well that's what we say I'm a little unclear here Captain if it was in fact that
00:36:19
Saturday because remember the FBI was called in that Saturday it says that Harold was interviewed the day after she
00:36:26
was abducted but it could have been that Sunday regardless it's going to be that
00:36:30
first weekend he's questioned very early on during this whole situation he's questioned at his apartment and he
00:36:39
did allow the FBI agents and the officers to come into his apartment and he also allowed them to look around
00:36:46
yeah not only look around his apartment but also look around the farm property and inside of his parents home
00:36:53
the FBI agents left and when they left they took nothing with them the fed's questioned Harold bound multiple times
00:37:01
the first week that Amy was missing Harold did not like the treatment from law enforcement that he was getting
00:37:09
so he gathered up some of his things and he went and checked himself into a local
00:37:14
VA Hospital some suspect he was trying to put up a wall between him and law enforcement
00:37:22
right his brother says that Harold believed that they were trying to pin this abduction on him
00:37:29
and he he was he got afraid and so he went and checked himself into this VA Hospital well yeah and think
00:37:36
about this way you're working on this Farm you come back from war you know you're a little off or maybe you don't
00:37:43
know you're a little off you're working around a lot of children and one of them comes up missing and and
00:37:50
maybe and you're kind of considered by at least some of the the students to be the weird guy or the creepy guy right
00:37:57
but how many times you know has a school had a janitor where the guy is nothing but nice but kids create
00:38:06
you know rumors oh that guy's a little strange no he's not being strange he's just saying hello to you or or saying hi
00:38:13
to you uh but but the those uh rumors uh and speculations grow over time too well and that's the thing too that that
00:38:24
I wanted to point out where some of the kids at Holly Hill claimed the guy was creepy or or doing weird things
00:38:32
sometimes things are just weird because you're a child and you don't understand a situation right you know like if you
00:38:40
see this dude that's wandering around and camouflage and he has a bow and arrow and you're like what's that guy
00:38:45
always doing here right and and then but but as an adult somebody would know a couple things one he he lives on the
00:38:52
property so he should be there there's no reason for him not to be there right two he's a hunter
00:38:57
um and this is this is a large property that his parents own this is private land it's Farmland he is
00:39:06
allowed to hunt there right you know so as an adult that doesn't seem so weird as a kid not gonna lie man if I show up
00:39:14
to ride a horse and there's some dude walking around stealth like in the woods and camouflage with a bow and arrow I'm
00:39:20
going I'm staying away from that dude yeah or the fact that every time you show up he's there you go up right well
00:39:27
why is this guy always here why is he always at work oh well he lives there or take just a scenario where a guy comes
00:39:34
in to clean an area and maybe doesn't uh say hello to the kids because he's trying to stay out of the way some kids
00:39:41
will take that as well this guy's being really creepy he didn't say hello you know yeah so where we look at Harold
00:39:51
bound and say does he look guilty does he sound guilty I go with looking guilty I would say no but sounding
00:39:59
guilty I think yes because of the that to me if if in fact that's true that in one conversation he claims to not have
00:40:09
known Amy at all and then another conversation says he had Direct interaction and names her specifically
00:40:16
right but that's that sounds a little weird but that's not coming from law enforcement or investigators yeah from
00:40:23
James Renner and you never know it could have jogged his memory but you also kind
00:40:27
of think well if I lived on a property where a young girl frequented and she went missing and then
00:40:34
was later found dead I don't know that I would forget her so I don't know that I
00:40:38
would need something to jog my memory now Captain I will say this you know back to
00:40:45
the famous composite drawing of of the by the two classmates who say they saw who took Amy in my opinion out of the
00:40:52
two suspects that we have discussed today personally I think that strewnack looks much more like the composite
00:40:59
drawing than this Herald bound right it would be interesting to see if uh the law enforcement did any kind of lineup
00:41:08
with these eyewitnesses so we do have to keep one thing in mind and and remember you were talking to me last
00:41:15
week about misinformation and when there is bad information thrown out there drives me insane in some of these cases
00:41:23
it can hurt the investigation and it makes you wonder specifically in this case is it possible
00:41:30
that the man who took and killed Amy does not look like the composite drawing and therefore
00:41:38
someone who knows something never picked up the phone or never sent an email with
00:41:43
the tip and a name because as uncomfortable as it was to suspect a person close to them maybe even someone
00:41:51
they loved yeah it made it so much easier for that person and so much more convenient when they
00:42:00
looked at that composite and they were able to say to themselves Well it can't be him he doesn't look
00:42:06
like the composite well well back to the truck thing you know eyewitness is saying that maybe she's abducted in this
00:42:13
truck yeah okay so my thought is if you don't have a clear cut eyewitness account of
00:42:21
the vehicle how sure can we be of the eyewitness accounts of the the man they saw with Amy
00:42:29
right and and that that kind of bothers me a little bit yeah and the way that this shopping plaza is kind of divided
00:42:37
up you know there's some stand-alone buildings in the immediate area there's several parking lots in the media area
00:42:45
the thought is there's a couple of ways of thinking of this one as said earlier this was not a
00:42:53
violent abduction this was not a Kicking and Screaming situation nobody that saw
00:42:59
anything that day knew that she was being led away to be abducted so no one saw her get into a
00:43:07
vehicle and the thought is either just no one saw her get into a vehicle or that he potentially parked his vehicle
00:43:14
in an area that would be less visible and led her you know slightly away and then into his vehicle right it makes me
00:43:22
wonder though you're you have this ruse going hey meet me somewhere we're gonna buy a gift for
00:43:30
your mother is it possible you know here's a guy that works at the Stables when Amy sees
00:43:36
me she isn't going to be freaked out because she has seen me before and that makes me wonder you I I get
00:43:45
that the the issue that I've always had with that and the issue that I've always
00:43:49
had with with people presenting a suspect that Amy would have known directly uh personally I think that it's that
00:43:58
it's highly unlikely just in the sense that she's being told that this individual is somebody else on the phone
00:44:05
and to arrive and learn that he is not in fact who he says he was makes it a you know weird from Jump Street right
00:44:14
there right so all right I'm getting off topic here back to Harold bound so law enforcement blocked off naggle road and
00:44:23
they searched that area extensively and they Captain they searched it for days during the search law enforcement found
00:44:30
a pair of sweatpants in the field or a wooded area in that immediate area these pants very well could be the same
00:44:41
ones that Amy was wearing this does not help Harold one bit of course so law enforcement Focus serious
00:44:50
attention on him for months they did intense surveillance exhaustive investigation all of this yielding
00:44:58
nothing Harold took polygraph tests and I want to be clear that's plural tests Harold
00:45:06
Harold requested that he be questioned after they administer truth serum the FBI complied with this
00:45:15
he was subjected to questioning with truth serum pumping through his veins now I can't tell you
00:45:22
if he passed the polygraph test and I can't tell you what the FBI thought about his answers during the truth serum
00:45:29
questioning but I can tell you at some point they were no longer interested in talking to him anymore right which makes
00:45:37
you believe when he's checking into a VA hospital this is all a part of it hey look I'm being accused of something this
00:45:44
is this is heinous I see why an individual would want to do anything you want to give me truth serum you want to
00:45:52
give me a a polygraph test I'm not involved in this I I think and we've talked about this before I think it's
00:46:00
one of the scariest things in the world to think about being accused of a heinous crime
00:46:05
with little to no evidence and how much that can affect these individuals lives can I tell you what the local rumor and
00:46:14
local thought was on Harold bound and his his reaction to the investigation no I'm tired of you talking okay so
00:46:22
the general thought here is that because he served in Vietnam because he served in the war that what he witnessed there
00:46:31
what he experienced there left him mentally unstable and it was it was Harold that that understood this
00:46:40
though he he knew that he wasn't of mind to put up a fight and to Proclaim his innocence in the in the
00:46:49
you know in a sense that that made sense to him I guess and the idea is that he was living at home and he was working
00:46:56
for his parents because of what he suffered in the war that might have been the extent of his capabilities at that
00:47:04
time and then when he became under under Fire and under questioning for this Abduction
00:47:10
of a girl that it that it tipped him and he said this is the only way I know how
00:47:14
to handle this I need to go get checked out and get looked at where some Proclaim that that is a sign of
00:47:22
guilt that he's trying to Shield himself or run away from the problem other others suggests that it's just
00:47:30
he's innocent and doesn't understand how to properly fight this and I don't blame
00:47:35
him I mean you're being talked to by the FBI and multiple agencies and in the end
00:47:41
what we do know took place is he was polygraphed multiple times he was questioned after they administered truth
00:47:48
serum by his own request and at some point law enforcement they've never cleared him but we know that they moved
00:47:55
on from him right so again though I mean can you imagine being accused of a crime like this this
00:48:03
is a heinous crime against this young beautiful girl this uh smart intelligent girl she
00:48:09
has so much promise and and you kind of know her you you at least you might not know her that well but she works where
00:48:18
you uh right she ties to you direct ties to you and the fact that once people didn't I I'm getting flustered and Amy's
00:48:30
mother's mentioned in that phone call on the ruse and he would have likely have known her as well yeah but it's just
00:48:38
once you're accused of this or there's some speculation about you and then you're trying to clear yourself and I'm
00:48:44
sure there's some people in his family that gave him some looks and he knew that they just didn't believe him and I
00:48:51
just think that would crush her spirits yeah I think for for the most part it sounds like his family had his back now
00:48:59
regarding his brothers Greg and his statements that appear in uh renner's book Amy my search for her killer
00:49:09
that statement about the blue pickup truck that law enforcement said to the family that Amy was taken away in a blue
00:49:17
pickup truck that's the only place I've ever seen that statement and in fact I don't know
00:49:23
how Greg came up with that maybe in fact he was told that by law enforcement but
00:49:28
I've also seen public statements from very early on in the investigation where they were outright telling the public we
00:49:36
do not have a description of a vehicle and on top of that when they release these composite drawings and I'm sorry
00:49:43
I'm holding these up and yelled at the captain when they release these composite sketches of of who they think
00:49:49
was at the plaza that day if they had a freaking vehicle description it would have been included on that as you and I
00:49:55
have said many times vehicle description is so much easier a vehicle's easier to
00:50:00
track down than a drawing of a person right and I even have a newspaper article from
00:50:08
very early on shortly after her body was found where the chief of police for Bay
00:50:14
Village is saying I would give anything for even a vague description of a vehicle we don't have that right so I
00:50:23
don't know where that information came from but it doesn't seem to be accurate it may have just been a way of cranking
00:50:29
up the heat and asking some questions and hoping that this dude might crack but the other thing that we might we
00:50:35
need to think about too when we talk about Harold being a good suspect or not being a good suspect you can be a good
00:50:42
suspect in the eyes of law enforcement for a period of time and then thoroughly checked and then no longer
00:50:48
a good suspect in their eyes right so we reference those sweatpants that were found near or on the property of Holly
00:50:57
Hill we we need to think about this portion of the investigation too the pair of
00:51:03
pants that were found on Holly Hill Farm property that made Harold or someone from Holly Hill look like they were
00:51:10
involved we know the the results of the autopsy remember when Amy was found she was
00:51:17
found fully clothed right redressed after death most likely but fully clothed those pants that were found on
00:51:24
that property simply were not hers now dick Wren when asked around the 10-year anniversary about Harold bound
00:51:33
specifically random said he didn't do it I'm as certain as I can be in an uncertain world is his exact quote
00:51:41
in fact yeah back to this blue truck thing for a second you know it's it's heard one time you've seen it no other
00:51:51
time again is it is it something that was brought up by Renner That Was Then Twisted later
00:51:58
it's it's impossible well it was a statement from Harold's brother Greg to Renner right that's what I'm saying but
00:52:05
the statement uh this conversation that happened was there a Twist and Turn to get there you see what I'm saying and
00:52:13
and just because somebody put it in his book does not mean it's 100 accurate this is all I'm
00:52:21
putting out there well yeah and that's why I said we don't know where Greg came up with that information right you know
00:52:27
that I mean he could have he could have it could be total fantasy for all we know and that conversation happened
00:52:35
15 years after the abduction I think a lot of things get changed and distorted and and misremembered
00:52:43
[Music] now from the uh articles that came out around the 10-year anniversary in regards to both of the suspects that
00:52:54
we have discussed so far strewnack and Harold bound this is the the statement that they gave
00:53:02
at the 10-year the 10-year mark it says investigators are virtually unanimous in
00:53:08
the certainty that neither one of these individuals was involved in the abduction or murder of Amy mihalovic
00:53:14
well the other thing that I like about this individual is that there's there was other phone calls
00:53:23
made and there was a a set of girls or or one girl that actually rode horses at those Stables uh so there would be the
00:53:33
connection of the phone calls yes and again it's it's we're unable to determine which in fact phone calls were
00:53:41
connected to Amy's Amy's case [Music] [Music] laughs foreign [Music] I thank one and all for your support
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your love and your concern without which I would not have been able to make it through this past year a year ago today
00:54:11
just across the street from the tree on the granite marker Amy was abducted from
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a Bay Village shopping center a little more than three months later her body was found let's
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fill the void that her passing has left with positive thoughts with a smile on our face and say she blessed our life
00:54:29
for a while unfortunately she is gone but now we must live on City and Civic leaders and law
00:54:38
enforcement officials spoke of love and Community togetherness and the Amy fund and the continuing search for the
00:54:44
child's killer we're not going to give up until we see this thing through Amy has touched Our Lives she will Live
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Forever The Monument says that Amy lives on in our hearts Amy pulled a community
00:54:58
together as a family and we still are a family supporting each other loving each
00:55:04
other we know that Amy is in God's love and care and his love and care are with us
00:55:11
there was mourning and there were drawn faces and there were some tears but this
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