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promo code to the website store and that is enough of the business all right everybody gather around grab a chair
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grab a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] thank you [Music] 24 year old Nancy Kitzmiller played
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soccer throughout high school and at Oklahoma State University where she graduated with a degree in geography she
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returned home after graduation and organized her old high school soccer buddies to play in an indoor soccer
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league she loved her country and western music and was a line dancing fanatic she
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had a big smile blue eyes and long curly brown hair now Nancy wanted to be a cartographer she applied for a job with
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the defense mapping agency headquartered in St Louis for this job she needed top secret
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security clearance this is going to take some time to get and she had been waiting for about a year where we pick
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up our story in May of 1992. so Nancy's finished with school and she's going to work at a store called boot Village in
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Saint Charles Missouri this is while she's waiting on that security clearance Nancy's parents say that Nancy was
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expecting that clearance to come within two weeks of the time of her death the bogey Hills Plaza boot Village store in
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Saint Charles Missouri opened on Sunday May third 1992 at noon that day Nancy was
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one of several managers that worked at the store well this location is going to be similar to some of the other
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locations in this story where yes it's a business but it's surrounded by other businesses but since it's a Sunday the
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other businesses aren't going to be open yeah it's a busy area in some of these other stores in this media area will be
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closed due to the Sunday this Western Footwear store is located at 2079 zumbel or zombiel road and I'll spell that
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because I'm a [ __ ] in the garage who can't say things it's z-u-m-b-e-h-l Road Nancy will be working
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the early shift by herself because business is typically slow on a Sunday now sometime between unlocking the doors
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for business that day again at noon and 2 30 p.m that afternoon someone shot Nance see in the head and did take some
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money from the cash register though there were reportedly plenty of people visiting other retail outlets in the
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area no one comes forward saying that they heard a gunshot a passerby did say that they saw the
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killer though the last customer that Nancy Kitzmiller waited on according to this
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eyewitness this person was a male of medium height with dull red hair not terribly unlike the description we
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received from the man retrieving the cumberbund right at the bridal shop today the address of 2079 zombiel Road
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houses a St Louis Bread Company the boot Village Store is no longer there this is
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very much in every way a similar attack to the others a employee working in a smaller business by themselves is
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attacked shot in the back of the head there is some money that is stolen from the scene
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again the location though 2079 zombiel Road Saint Charles Missouri it's an eight-minute drive to Interstate
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70. 3.9 miles away wow and you had asked Captain off Mike if we knew exactly how
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much money was taken or how much money was left the general description with all five of these events that we are
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going to go through in the I-70 killer timeline the description is all basically the
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same that it is agreed upon by investigators that some money was taken from each location but also some money
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was left at each location this is where you have to wonder what is the hold back
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information here there has to be something even if it's these quick attacks that are very succinct I mean we
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have what appears to be a guy walking in to a store and killing an individual leaving very few Clues behind and also
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probably spending very little time at the actual crime scene inside the store itself there does have to be some
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information that we don't know that the public does not know that the police in these areas and these jurisdictions know
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how much money was left how much money was believed to be taken the other thing that I'm curious about we know in one of
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these attacks that Mick his wallet was taken curious to me if there were personal
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items belonging to the victims taken at all of the scenes or more than just that
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one scene yeah it's very difficult too because I think like you were saying it's pretty easy to go well I think
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murder was the main motive because they're not taking much money that might just be not much money to
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your eye or for us to go a couple hundred bucks I'm not going to kill somebody over a couple hundred bucks but
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I wonder if that lowers the age of the suspect we're looking for because obviously a couple hundred bucks to
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a 17 or 18 year old kid would be huge well again here we have a potential other witness and age has been a [ __ ]
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for the suspect in this case I've seen them put the age range as low as 20 to 30 years of age and as late as 30 to 45
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years of age yeah I heard as early as a three-year-old well the thing here is if
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we are to go off of May Rose's witness statement he was the manager at the paint store right
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keep in mind he says some interesting things that immediately upon seeing this man if in fact that was the killer I
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believed him to be a hitchhiker slash homeless person well typically people that are disheveled unclean they can
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look older than they actually are and then to to take that a step further you and I keep honing in on the fact that
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money was taken from the scene but money was also left at the scene we may be trying to rationalize
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something that there is no rationalization for meaning if May Rose was correct in his assessment that this
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individual was either on drugs or had mental problems or both there may be no Rhyme or Reason for why
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this individual's leaving money at the scene this takes us to our next attack here
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Captain this is May 7th we're four days out from the last attack May 7 1992 we have Sarah Lynn blessing working
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by herself her maiden name is heart and she's recently married she's a newlywed as well uh 37 years old Sarah was a
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healthy conscious person very knowledgeable about natural foods and such she went to Emporia State College
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halfway between Topeka and Wichita earning a Bachelor of Fine Arts degree in interpersonal Communications with a
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minor in Psychology she was known to be a pet lover now Sarah was born six weeks
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prematurely and had a younger sister and a younger brother but her mother Wilma Hart recalled quote she was always a
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little thing but she was the big sister and she goes on to say that she read constantly and got straight A's in
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school now Sarah and five of her friends rented a storefront in Raytown Missouri
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each would set up in an area where they would display their items to sell these could be things like crystals vitamins
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natural foods and such they called it the store of Many Colors they would take turns working at the
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store the grand opening was 1992 in April late April the grand opening week of April 18th to April 26th
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so another bizarre situation here Captain because we are now on our second store where it has just recently opened
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on May 7th this was a Thursday it was Sarah's turn to work she's working alone that is the day that she was killed
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Sarah was in the store alone when a man wearing a gray sports coat slacks and dress shoes strolled across the large
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parking lot toward the shop of Many Colors the store that we're talking about now this guy is going to stand out
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to Witnesses because most people drove to the popular strip mall and of course they're going to park right in front of
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the store that they are intending to go into so this guy he's not seen getting out of
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a vehicle he's seen walking the distance of the parking lot and then selecting this store the store of many colors
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Tim Hickman owned a video store that was next door to the gift shop where we have
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our young woman working where he said that he heard loud bangs after hearing this he said that he saw a man walking
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up the hill behind the shop and he believed heading in the direction of Interstate 70.
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he goes next door enters the shop and discovers Sarah's body lying on the floor then we have a clerk at a nearby grocery
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store who was outside collecting carts if you look at this location on a map what we have here Captain is we have
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let's picture uh a square with three sides and one of the sides not fully complete but what what
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we have by that pointing that out is we have shops that are facing one another with a large parking lot in the center
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of all of these shops the location of this grocery store which is the largest shop in this strip mall location
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is across the street or across the parking lot I should say from the gift shop what he is going to see is a man
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exit the gift shop and then walk in the Direction behind the store behind the store there's a hill a street and then
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if you go beyond that there's a neighborhood but this person this second eyewitness
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says that he saw this man walking away walking North at 63rd and Woodson which is just about three miles south of
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i-70. the suspect was also reported to be walking East down 59th Street approximately 10 minutes later at that
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time the stranger was about three miles south of I-70 so about the same location
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speaking of location the store is located at 11573 East 63rd Street in Raytown Missouri
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this driving by car would be nine minutes travel time to Interstate 70. it's 4.6 miles away which is another
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similarity in this case as the other cases now obviously we're connecting them but this is after law enforcement
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already did so years ago yeah and I actually heard um it was just one podcast I think there
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were several podcasts on this case I listened to a portion of one of them and I don't recall the name and I don't want
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to throw anybody under the bus anyway but they had said you know it these all these crimes and they're the distance
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apart of course you're not going to connect them and it's the early 90s so the jurisdictions weren't talking to one
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another so they didn't connect them for years which in fact that's absolutely false that's not correct information
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what we have here is within days of the final attack we have four of the investigating four of the five
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investigating departments are meeting to collaborate and to discuss potential similarities and see if the crimes are
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in fact linked and what we have is an immediate warning that comes from these four investigating departments in May
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that says this is issued a warning issue to stores near interstate highways throughout the entire country saying be
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careful try not to leave a clerk alone on duty saying we are moving ahead but just because we had a meeting doesn't
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mean that we're going to catch the guy tomorrow these things are going to take some time now we said four of the five
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investigating departments that is because there was a bit of a squabble over whether or not the Wichita
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homicides were connected to the others or not we have Indiana state police detective crook who said without
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elaborating on the details that there were certain factors about the Wichita slangs that were different from the
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others yeah but you're going to have that I mean not every serial killer or expert in crime commits the crime 100
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the same way every time right and what's so funny about this portion of the story to me anyway is
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that he goes on to say on the record this is one of those moments where it's like it's like toothpaste once it's out
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of the tube you can't put it back in and I I bet you he wishes that he had not said some of these words so he says the
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Wichita shootings appear to be too far off of I-70 Wichita meaning their Police Department is really hot on the idea
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that they are involved but we are not that seems pretty clear-cut but the problem is then just two days later the
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Wichita killings were in fact linked to the others and Rick Pilgrim spokesman for the Metro case Squad investigating
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said we've been able to come up with common denominators in all of the cases we have physical evidence linking the
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crimes so maybe hair sample fingerprint DNA something palm print I wish that that
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were the case I don't think that they have that stuff okay what we do know that is left at all of the crime scenes
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is bullets unfortunately what I'm saying is that they're going to be able to physically
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connect these through evidence to each other because of primarily the bullets right so the bullets because of
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ballistics is basically like a fingerprint for the gun and we mentioned that we have the warning that was issued
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by police to basically the entire nation of this guy could hit any store seemingly at random
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please do not have your employees working alone especially if you're a store that's located near an interstate
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or a freeway they did offer up some theories immediately early in the get-go of this investigation once they've
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connected all of these crimes saying that he may be posing as a traveling salesman or the killer May Force his way
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into a store with his gun he may case the area and strike at a time when a single clerk is vulnerable
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but I think one of the most powerful things that is stated early on in this investigation comes from the assistant
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police chief in Terre Haute Indiana this is Joseph Newport who says we were dealing with a serial killer he's not
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really getting much money out of the shops we don't know why he's killing people I just think he wants to kill
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people he's going into places that don't have money if he had gotten every dollar
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in there it wouldn't have amounted to much but I think that's important in this and the profile of this individual
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is is maybe even though the amount of money was so little it was still they still needed the money right it's
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something it's almost like a signature if in fact it's a side thought it's also somewhat
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necessary to the crime itself if he is in fact going in there just for the purpose of killing well he's taking an
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extra step that has heightened risk involved with it of taking money from the scene
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a lot of what you are discussing is information that came out pretty a lot of what we're discussing is
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information that came out pretty quickly after the crimes but this next bit is something that came out I believe 20
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years afterwards yeah in 2012 the Saint Charles Police Department released what they believed
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to be the exact model of the gun used in all of the slangs and we say all the slangs
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we I think we really need to hone in on something before we get into the details
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of this weapon here what the hell is going on we have six victims and five events
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that all take place in a month a period of just one month right that is forgive me for saying so a speedy and
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efficient killer we have the first attack that takes place on April 8 1992 and then the last
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known attack is May 7 1992. in a one month period six people killed it was the uh Indiana State Police or or maybe
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it was the Indianapolis City police pardon me that came up with the moniker of the
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I-70 killer but we know from what they were saying in late May of 92 that all of these events all of these homicides
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are connected and then we fast forward 20 years later to learn in 20 2012 that they believe that they may know the
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exact gun to have been used so lab tests confirmed that all five had been killed
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by the same gun this would be a semi-automatic 22 caliber pistol and based off of witness testimony police
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strongly believe that the murder weapon may have been and Irma work and I'm going to spell
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that in case I'm saying it incorrectly w-e-r-k-e and it was model a model ET 22 pistol now this is a unique
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looking Weapon It's a handgun with a very long barrel and it also looks like um me being a lay person uh referred to
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as like a Nazi looking gun you know those little the little handguns that you see in the Indiana Jones movies
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um the cartridges of the bullets were polished with Jewelers Rouge this is a very specific thing to these
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crimes okay this is somebody we're talking about expert level of experience with Firearms why would
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anyone polish bullets with Jewelers Rouge I would have no idea about that I have no clue why anybody would do that
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until looking into this case what I've been told is that if you were to do this that it's it would prevent the bullets
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from jamming that it would it would prevent the gun from misfiring so you don't run into any issues when you're
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trying to operate your killing machine that you're bringing to the scene of these crimes now we say that this weapon
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is unique well it was in fact unique only 6 000 were imported to the United States from Germany so detectives are
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hoping that someone would recognize this gun and remember if they knew someone who had this rare gun back in the early
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90s the ammunition was CCI brand 22 caliber long rifle with copper clad lead bullets police asked all gun enthusiasts
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and gun dealers to notify them if they see an Irma work model ET 22 or had one stolen from them in the
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early 90s the owner or presumably the killer may have used corundum or red Rouge for fire lapping of the weapon or
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may have used corundum and Rouge and grinding polishing or machine shop work there there are many complaints that
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this gun would not cycle reliably or eject and load a new round again that's why somebody with an expert level of
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experience would know to use this Jeweler's Rouge to prevent that from happening well we have multiple crimes
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multiple crime scenes multiple law enforcement departments working together what kind of profile if any do we have
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of this individual that's what's unique I think to this this we have a known serial killer
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operating the problem is he's operating in multiple States across many many miles of land but what's unique to this
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case amongst the others is I couldn't really find a profile what I could find is several statements by several
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different departments that said at the time you know early 1992 saying we are working with the FBI to provide
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them information and details of the crime so that they can put together a psychological profile of the I-70 killer
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well you look you wait you look again nothing what you find is a month or two later a different department saying the
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same thing we are working with the FBI to provide them details of the crime so that they can put together a
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psychological profile what we have years later Captain is we have the uh Indianapolis Police who say that they
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were working with the FBI but it was it was yet to be determined years later yet to be determined if the
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case is even profile I'm having a trouble with this word filable there you go thank you God bless you Captain if
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the case is even profilable because again it's like this guy walks into the store boom commits the homicide
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and then walks out it's almost like a mix between a serial killer and a spree killer
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yes exactly and when it comes down to it as far as the investigation goes we have
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the Indianapolis Police on record saying we literally went through and got Hotel
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registrations from every single hotel across Interstate 70 up and down the interstates all over
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and looked into those they looked into toll booths they checked license plates they checked traffic stops during the
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times of the attacks and they've come out and they've been pretty clear and up front with this is not a DNA case
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this killer did not do anything to the victims or uh the the attacks were not such that they had DNA evidence Left
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Behind of the killer you had referenced um fingerprints palm prints hair fibers anything of that nature earlier
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I can't say with certainty that they have that or did not have that we have multiple crime scenes and again every
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one of the crime scenes is a for lack of better term is a public place you have many people that could be in and out of
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these stores in these shops so they may have that stuff they also may have that stuff in not able to link it to anybody
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or aware that they actually have it because you have a crime scene that contains so many fingerprints so many
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palm prints possible hair and fiber what we do have the very little bit that we do have as far as a profile would go we
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have the physical profile that we've already talked about we'll talk about again but we do have law enforcement on
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record saying that they believe that the suspect could be a military man a hitchhiker a traveling salesman or a
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truck driver because the thought being that there's a possibility that the Killer is someone who has a reason to
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travel Beyond just killing so again such as a Salesman or truck driver and then along those lines
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detectives said that the killer might have dealings with military bases because several of the slangs occurred
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near Military and installations such as Fort Benjamin Harrison in Indianapolis [Music]
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oh [Music] thank you [Music] [Music] what is up chicken butt cheers mates and welcome back
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we got a lot more to dive into in the I-70 killer case for all of you die hard garage listeners out there we just put
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out another off the Record episode on Stitcher premium yesterday so make sure you check that out so in this case it's
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not clear but it seems like there's no one source of profile but we do have a composite for this individual
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yes we do and the general consensus seems to be that police describe the suspect as a white male in his mid-20s
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to mid 30s um with the remark of but more likely in his mid-30s eyewitnesses have described
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this man as uh five feet seven inches to five feet all the way up to five feet nine inches tall about 150 pounds with
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reddish colored or light colored hair and a stubble beard or faint beard and I might be wrong but it seems like from
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the furthest distance from Indianapolis to I believe it's Wichita it's a 10 hour radius that we have so
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multiple places that this killer could be residing do we have any evidence or any clues to pinpoint that
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down yeah so I want to talk a little bit about some gangbusters work that is done
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being done by a guy going by questor um I didn't write down his full name here but it's at questersite.com
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he has worked on just as a armchair detective has worked on several of these older cases particularly high profile
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cases and he did several posts about the I-70 killer one thing that the that he points out as far as a pattern goes
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because I'm looking at this thing and I'm like what what's the pattern here because we don't have attacks that are
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taking place in order of you know on down the road one two three four five we have five
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events six victims but what quester points out and this is I think this is pretty brilliant here that he refers to
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this as um polling which is so such a great word for uh everything going on right now in our country but it
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has nothing to do with that what he's saying is if you take if you take the crimes and put them on a a straight line
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what you have is the first crime takes place at the very furthest part of the one line which would be roughly
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Indianapolis Indiana the next crime the second one goes all the way to the other side of that line
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the furthest point on that other line and then the third crime is back again to the east
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back in Indiana the fourth crime is in the middle and then the fifth is in Raytown
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so it's almost like he went to the the furthest away that he could be which if you go by that rationale if you're going
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to use that as maybe your your area it would it would seem that the Killer is probably more in the middle
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of these crimes rather than all the way in Indianapolis or all the way out in Wichita that if he started and wanted to
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kill and felt that he could kill comfortably furthest from where he resides to further the crimes from him
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as much as possible that he went to the trouble of going as far as he could East
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and then the next crime he went as far as he wanted West and then he felt a little bit more comfortable because he
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had gotten away with some uh and then went a little closer to home so maybe he's in the Raytown area maybe he's in
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the Missouri area or like you said he's a big traveler and he's not even anywhere close to where he lives he can
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live all the way on the East Coast or the West Coast what we have here too Captain is the
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biggest question that seems to be Past who was the I-70 killer yeah that's the biggest one seems to be
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where did he go because we have five events in just a one month time period and we
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have six homicides inside those five five events and then he seemingly disappears isn't it uh kind of weird to
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you that there's not even a hint of what he was driving I think that is something
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that's very smart that you point out because what I think he was doing is I don't think this guy was hitching a ride
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I don't think that he's got a lot of sense no it doesn't make any sense at all somebody would have came forward and
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said you know what I I picked up this individual or this individual would been if again if the the motive was just
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murder why wouldn't they just murder the person that drove them you know at some point
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um right so there there seems to be some reason for him carrying out a mission it's almost like in a video game where
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you're given a list of of objectives that you have to achieve on some kind of mission and it's like all right get to
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this location one thing that I find interesting is all the stores are very similar when you think about it other
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than the Payless none of these seem to be much of a in the way of a chain of stores right and so he's picking small
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businesses that with the exception of the one case are not terribly far from I-70 itself but all of these locations
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are similar in the sense that you could park behind the store or behind another store or maybe even in the neighborhood
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or the streets we said that most of if not all of these businesses are backing up to streets and neighborhoods
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so if you have a general idea of where you're going to attack and you do not want your car to be seen because we've
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talked about this time and time again here in the garage right vehicles are 100 times easier to locate than a
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description of a person give me a description of a vehicle we can find it easier than a description of a person
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especially when you tell me it's a white guy in his mid to late you know mid 20s
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to mid 30s always five foot seven to five foot nine so I think he's parking his vehicle near
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the crime scene and then going on foot to and from the actual crime scene and then fleeing in his vehicle once the
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crime is committed we have eyewitness statements where they're saying I saw a guy who I believe was leaving the store
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at or around the time of the believed homicide right he's heading in the Direction behind the building one person
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saying I thought I saw him go behind the building and then up the hill where he would have just went down the hill and
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he could have parked right on the other side of the Hill what a great obstacle for hiding and concealing your vehicle
00:37:32
well like you were saying I mean we or again we have evidence that he was staking out these locations
00:37:40
but almost like in a very genius sort of way like if you're in these plazas where
00:37:46
there's multiple stores and maybe the store you know yes the store he's going into isn't that busy
00:37:55
but the other stores they're probably not that busy either but there's people going in and out of those parking lots
00:38:00
all day long you know if I was driving up to a strip mall chances are I'm going to see a couple
00:38:09
cars coming in and a couple cars leaving so if somebody said oh did you see that
00:38:15
man driving away no I I didn't I saw multiple cars driving away so I think that would be a great way to
00:38:25
the Clutter becomes your cover well and one bizarre thing that is that I find fascinating that might just be
00:38:33
pure happenstance beyond the idea of targeting stores that may contain younger ladies working alone
00:38:43
we mentioned several of the stores had only been opened they were under you know they're a new store and only open
00:38:51
for a month or two right and again that could just be happenstance maybe it's because a newer store has less customers
00:38:59
it's had less time to build up its clientele so he spots it and it's obviously not busy and goes in and it's
00:39:05
just he wouldn't have known that they were newer stores but again the question becomes that many attacks that many
00:39:13
homicides in such a short period of time and then he's gone why where did he go I
00:39:19
think the why to me is pretty obvious we had the police at the time that very quickly linked all of these crimes
00:39:29
together and he knows I used the same gun at all of these crime scenes he knows what's
00:39:37
linking them he knows how police have linked them together so maybe he doesn't disappear maybe he
00:39:44
doesn't go away forever he's not this Phantom killer that just disappeared all he's got to do is change guns and he
00:39:54
can continue doing what he's doing especially if he's willing to go to the distance of 10 hours away
00:40:01
right so I think what happened here is I think that this guy probably continued on I think what's interesting to me too
00:40:10
is not just where did he go but also where did he come from one thought that jumped out to me was
00:40:17
we mentioned military man is this a guy that saw action that went off the war we had the Gulf
00:40:25
War ended in February of 1991. Desert Shield followed by Desert Storm did this guy was he sent over there to
00:40:35
serve his country and he got a taste for killing and then he brought it back here and he
00:40:40
couldn't turn it off you know so who knows where he came from who knows where where he went but what
00:40:48
was the trigger there was something that triggered this guy this guy well maybe not the most normal guy in
00:40:54
the world something happened to get this guy to start killing in April of 1992 and then he stops in May of 1992.
00:41:03
there are some theories about where this guy went or if he went on to other crimes there Captain all right hit me
00:41:10
with them well some investigators believe that the I-70 killer may be responsible for two murders in 1993 and
00:41:19
an attempted murder in 1994 all of these crimes took place in the state of Texas
00:41:26
and it started in September of 1993 on September 25th when 51 year old Mary Ann glasscock was killed in a Fort Worth uh
00:41:37
in the city of Fort Worth at an Emporium antiques store continues on from there November 1st 1993 22 year old Amy vest
00:41:47
was shot to death in a dance apparel store in Arlington Texas and then we have the January 15 1994
00:41:55
attack on 35 year old Vicki Webb she luckily survived this attack she was shot in in a Houston store at a
00:42:05
Alternatives gift shop she briefly spoke to the shooter so she has a description
00:42:11
of the person that shot her the man shot her and then she did not die and he attempted to shoot her again but his gun
00:42:22
misfired and then he left the scene there's great debate whether these crimes are connected and a big part of
00:42:32
that comes from the fact that the gun that was used in the I-70 killer case and the six homicides that we've already
00:42:40
discussed was not the same gun used in these three Texas cases however these start up shortly after right the
00:42:51
next year after the I-70 Killer goes vanishes and like I said he could have just got a
00:42:59
new gun and then picked up where he left off at some point the interesting thing
00:43:04
is that what connects these is Interstate 35 and we mentioned Interstate 35 before Interstate 35 does
00:43:13
connect to I-70 and it connects in the general area of where our I-70 killer left off with attacks number four and
00:43:23
five which would be in the Raytown Saint Charles area that we discussed earlier you can pick up I-35 in and around the
00:43:32
Kansas City area with i-70. so maybe he just heads a little further south continues doing what he's doing
00:43:40
now with a new murder weapon yeah and I'm sure some people listening are going well maybe it's just a different guy but
00:43:48
the description of this individual is very similar and that's why people believe he just got a new gun we have a
00:43:55
surviving witness in the I-35 attack who describes the killer to look similar to
00:44:00
that of the description given about the I-70 killer and in the I-35 killer in the final attack the vague description
00:44:07
that we get here is a white guy about five foot eight maybe five foot nine inches tall reddish hair 150 to 160
00:44:15
pounds faint beard brown jacket and dark pants so not unlike the other cases the
00:44:25
I-70 cases let's get into some suspects here Captain before we wrap up some of these will be suspects that have been
00:44:32
named by law enforcement and some of them named by uh garage armchair detectives such as ourselves the first
00:44:41
suspect that we have to talk about is a man that died in July of 1996 and it is Herb Beau Meister okay who is Beau
00:44:53
Meister he is an American with a bad name he's an American suspected serial killer this was a very successful man he
00:45:02
resided in Westfield Indiana bowmeister was under investigation for murdering over a dozen men in the early 1990s most
00:45:11
of whom were last seen at gay bars investigators found the remains of 11 persons eight which they identified
00:45:18
three remain unidentified to this day on beaumeister's property if in fact he was
00:45:24
the killer of these people uh he's dead so it's been tough to determine that it's believed he killed
00:45:31
these individuals he was killing and burying people on their very large property unbeknownst to his wife and
00:45:38
family that lived in a house along with herb on that property after arrest warrant was issued for him he fled to
00:45:49
Canada and then he killed himself before he could be arrested and brought to trial he never confessed to any of these
00:45:55
crimes his suicide note made no mention of the murder allegations against him he
00:46:02
was though later linked to a series of murders of at least nine men along interstate 70. which occurred in the
00:46:10
early to mid 1980s so this guy is suspected of possibly killing as many as two dozen men that number certainly
00:46:18
unconfirmed but I think it's his ties to the general area of Interstate 70 and the state of Indiana
00:46:28
together that put him on the list of suspects here as you very obviously know Captain this Mo if her bromister killed
00:46:39
all of these people is it could not be further from the mo of the I-70 killer yeah or the profile victims correct so
00:46:49
this seems like it's it's one of those situations where he is a known active serial killer he gets tossed on this
00:46:57
list just because of that fact he's also nickname I believe one of the nicknames
00:47:03
given to him was the I-70 Strangler so it doesn't help when your nickname is so much so close to the nickname of the
00:47:11
killer that they're seeking I don't think beaumeister had anything to do with these killings the next suspect
00:47:18
that we come to is an individual that was listed and stated in the papers at the time as a possible suspect his name
00:47:26
is Donald Waterhouse and he's a suspect because on the night of February 29 1992
00:47:32
this is just more than a month before the I-70 killings started happening Waterhouse reportedly shot and killed
00:47:41
his mother and stepfather inside their home in Dyersburg Tennessee now like the I-70 victims these two were
00:47:52
shot in the head with a 22 caliber weapon Waterhouse he vanished eventually his truck was found abandoned in East St
00:48:01
Louis right off of I-70 he evaded police until October so the thought here he's eventually cotton
00:48:08
Oklahoma but the thought here being that he's killing while on the run for having
00:48:14
killed his parents he fit the physical description somewhat of the I-70 killer however I think what we have here is a
00:48:24
situation where you have because these killings are taking place on such far stretches across this
00:48:32
country and they seem to be motiveless murders right this is really to me reminds me of
00:48:39
like a zodiac type killer who's not communicating who would choose not to communicate with police or the media
00:48:45
someone who is trying to terrorize that's what it that's what a terrorist is someone who terrorizes the public
00:48:53
with with threats this being the threat of anyone working in any store within a series of States
00:49:01
could be killed at any time any random time of the day yeah but again the key victim is female
00:49:08
right under 30. and what I think we have here Captain with uh Waterhouse as far as he is concerned I think that the
00:49:16
police were under a lot of pressure at the time to throw out a name to make it seem like
00:49:22
hey we we got we got a trail on somebody what we would learn 20 years later is that they were bombarded with tips once
00:49:31
they started putting out the composite sketch of the suspect they said that they believed that over 60 000 tips were
00:49:39
followed up on and a lot of them obviously false you know some of them were blatant false
00:49:46
tips where somebody was angry at somebody else right and threw them under the bus and said oh they look like the
00:49:52
suspect or he should be your suspect for X Y and Z and it turns out they're baseless speculation there right but a
00:50:00
lot of these composite sketches they kind of look cartoonish this one this could this drawing has a little bit
00:50:08
of soul to it and it's very uh disturbing this guy would would freak A lot of people out yeah and this
00:50:17
Waterhouse guy while on the Run um I don't know what it is it I have not seen an exact statement
00:50:27
but once they located Waterhouse and once they were going to take him to trial for the killings of his parents
00:50:36
authorities very quickly said that you know now that we've caught him he's not a very high priority suspect in the I-70
00:50:45
killings and then in fact we have just in June of uh 1992 where the Saint Charles Missouri police chief David King
00:50:55
announced that Waterhouse was no longer a top suspect in the I-70 killings that brings us to Donald Blom AKA Donald
00:51:06
Prince born 1949 he is an American who was sentenced to life in prison for the killing of Kathleen Katie Pryor in 1999.
00:51:16
he's a registered sex offender involved in five cases of kidnapping and sexual assault prior to Katie's murder he is
00:51:24
suspected to be a serial killer by case investigators Blom is serving his prison
00:51:30
sentence at a medium security facility in Minnesota this assumption though doesn't make a
00:51:37
whole lot of sense to me I'm not really certain how he ends up on this list of potential suspects boy he
00:51:45
killed somebody there you go his killings and his attacks look this guy at the end of the day he's
00:51:52
a rapist and murderer none of the I-70 killings were sexual in nature the none of that took place
00:51:59
so the police seem again here possibly desperate to get names out in the press and this may be one that was just thrown
00:52:08
out there was at the start of something was this how I'm going to do it fantasize about it
00:52:17
that will turn into something else later where he was once a hands-off killer and
00:52:22
then became a Hands-On killer right next up on our list we have Ralph Leon Jackson also known as ralphman old Ralph
00:52:31
men he's a real prick Monger ralphman or Ralph Jackson he is convicted of shooting two people on the Blue Ridge
00:52:43
Parkway in 2010 and unfortunately he killed one of those victims and if it wasn't for
00:52:51
the the courageous efforts of the other victim he he thought he killed her as well so
00:52:59
what we have here Captain is a situation where this guy it seems that he killed these people at random and I think that
00:53:07
it's the random nature and given his age he was 57 years old when he was convicted of the 2010 crimes and that
00:53:18
would put him in the general age range for our I-70 killer and his we're going to go back and back to this
00:53:27
but we need to put a red flag and a marker on it right here where we say he his physical description is not unlike
00:53:35
that of the I-70 killer but you've seen the picture it's it's kind of a vague description of the I-70 killer right
00:53:43
yeah so he looks somewhat like the description he's about the same age but really I think it here is the randomness
00:53:52
of the crime this crime that he committed it almost looks like he went out to the Blue Ridge Parkway that night
00:54:00
hoping to see someone or someone's and was determined to gun them down from his vehicle so that puts him on the list of
00:54:10
potential suspects for the I-70 killer as well as he's his name comes up in the Colonial Parkway murders as well yeah I
00:54:19
just don't like that many of these these suspects well I think it's because there's no really good Clues here in any
00:54:29
of these cases that we have what I would consider great suspects well also think it's because the mo is
00:54:37
so strange it definitely seems like he was targeting a certain type of victim but it doesn't seem like it was sexual
00:54:44
nature like I said could have led to that later maybe it was just a fantasy and he wasn't willing to uh take the
00:54:52
risk to take the time to live out those fantasies but also the strange to steal a little bit of
00:55:01
money it's just it's a very strange ammo well here's the name that you'll recognize and some of our listeners will
00:55:07
recognize as well the long time listeners anyway the next suspect that we're going to discuss is Neil
00:55:15
Falls who is Neil Falls well that name may sound familiar to you because he was mentioned in our Vanishing women case
00:55:24
that is the case of six missing women and several that were killed in the southern Ohio area why did he come up on
00:55:33
that uh in those episodes well that was because he is a man that was killed during what was believed to be the
00:55:41
attempted killing of a woman maybe rape would be involved I don't know he at least threatened her with both where he
00:55:50
met a woman on the internet shows up at the door and things turned bad real quick and
00:55:56
according to our victim who survived and killed Neo Falls she says that Neo Falls
00:56:02
told him told her look I'm going to prison for a long time for this it could be for rape or for murder
00:56:09
you're the one that's going to decide it well she decided it and it was for neither he wasn't going to make it to
00:56:14
prison he did because of her luckily now when police start looking through this Neil Falls guy and looking through his
00:56:23
vehicle very disturbing stuff they find Firearms handcuffs shovels a pickaxe several bladed weapons including a
00:56:33
hatchet and several knives and he had a bulletproof vest on him now he was a good distance from where he lived yeah
00:56:43
and so the thought here is not just that this guy is willing to travel to kill but some people did some very
00:56:51
interesting work because remember we have our I-70 killer who would have been in his early 20s to maybe mid to late
00:57:01
30s that again being the big window for the age description of our potential killer here
00:57:10
this I found this on Reddit and web sluice where several people had found in an interesting little thing here in Neil
00:57:19
falls's background in early 1992 we don't have an exact date Neil falls moves to his father's house in Kansas
00:57:28
well the I-70 murders began in April on April 8th of 1992 and then three days later in April we have the murders in
00:57:38
Wichita Kansas so the home that he was living at Greensburg Kansas is about an hour and a
00:57:46
half west of Wichita so this guy and he does look you know at the time of his death this
00:57:55
is a guy that moved around he lived in many different states and when this woman killed him
00:58:01
the FBI and police immediately came out and said we want to know one where this guy was we want to put together a
00:58:08
complete timeline of him but we have him getting uh driving violations speeding tickets and such in multiple States over
00:58:16
the years so not only did he live and move around but when he was living at certain places he was traveling to other
00:58:24
states as well and this is a guy that they thought he might be driving or flying and going elsewhere and killing
00:58:31
people and then returning to his home the interesting thing here is we've put him within an hour and a half
00:58:39
of the killings in Wichita back in 1992. now the picture of him at the time of his death
00:58:47
is kind of a fat version of the description given of the I-70 killer and if you go onto web sluice or Reddit and
00:58:54
you look up this Neil Falls I-70 killer angle you'll see that what they did here
00:59:00
was they put a picture from his I believe this is his senior year high school yearbook
00:59:06
a picture of of his senior year in high school followed by the sketches of the I-70 killer along with the fat version
00:59:15
that I pointed out of the the chubby cheeks version of Neil falls from the time that he roughly around the time
00:59:23
that he was killed and that's Falls f-a-l-l-s not balls I know you're thinking it's Neo balls but it's no it's
00:59:33
false well and the other thing here too Captain that's interesting about Falls is Texas 1993 and the 1994 killings the
00:59:42
I-35 killer again some believe these could be related could be linked could be the
00:59:49
same killer as the I-70 killer false father who he's living with at the time passes away in 1995 and he moved back to
00:59:58
Oregon and of course there's no more I-70 kill killings or I-35 killings believed after
01:00:05
that 90 1994 attempted killing yeah but so possible reason for why it stopped in
01:00:14
that area would be that Neo Falls moved out of the area well again I think uh his age is something that I like because
01:00:23
I feel like these killings these I-70 killings are it's like a step towards a Direction
01:00:31
it's almost like a precursor to something else that is going to happen and again the money
01:00:38
taking not huge amounts of money but taking the time to take that money seems like something
01:00:46
somebody with not much of a future would do but also something that maybe you know a teenager early 20 year old would
01:00:55
do you're working under the theory that this guy might be earlier or toward the the younger end of the spectrum right
01:01:02
that what we're talking about as far as our eyewitnesses go now you're exactly right because with Neil Falls he would
01:01:09
have been 22 years old back in 92 when these homicides first started up right and a couple hundred
01:01:17
bucks to me when I was well heck now but I mean even back then it was a lot of money like 200 bucks or 300 bucks oh
01:01:26
that's a lot of money I actually think if in fact that this guy is a cold calculated killer that if
01:01:34
he's all there that if he's not on drugs not mental problems are both like one of
01:01:39
the witnesses stated that I think that the robbery or the The Taking of the money is really just to
01:01:47
throw the police off I guess I don't know what they're he's throwing them off of
01:01:52
um because everything the murder still took place but he's an interesting one because he would have
01:01:59
been 22 at the time when they started and then again that window of time he is there roughly in that General vicinity
01:02:08
of that area when the killings start and then when they stop after the I-35 killings stop
01:02:16
he's gone in 95 he moves to Oregon so I think that's one of the more interesting
01:02:21
ones one uh one more name here captain and this is one that I would be shocked if our listeners don't know because
01:02:28
we've covered a case that he is potentially linked to as well so many times is Thomas Bruce
01:02:36
and if you remember correctly he is a Delphi suspect he is a known killer and I think it's people have linked him
01:02:46
to the I-70 killer simply because Indiana's part of the the story for the I-70 killer two of the known events
01:02:56
linked to the I-70 killer took place in the state of Indiana and his crimes he was in St Louis
01:03:05
when he got picked up just a year or so ago because what did he do remember he went into that Catholic supply store
01:03:14
right and he took several he took a I believe it was a customer and a couple employees back to the back where there
01:03:21
were some sexual assaults that took place and homicide that took place and he was on the run for a very short
01:03:27
period of time before they've tracked him down and found him uh his age would put him at about the right age again I I
01:03:36
think that the age range for the I-70 killer is is vast yeah I mean it's just big
01:03:42
and so it gets difficult to to Really pinpoint down and say oh the age is right when we're talking about a span of
01:03:52
15 years maybe for our potential uh I-70 killer but Bruce is an interesting one simply
01:04:00
because he he does this attack he's locked up he's been quiet ever since some people are trying to link him to
01:04:08
Delphi some people are trying to link him to other cases and because of the nature of the known attack that he did
01:04:16
the known homicide that he did do that there's no question about it's similar in ways to that of the I-70
01:04:23
killer yeah one of my issues though is I I feel like some of these actions of this crime show again either maybe
01:04:31
somebody that's just not mentally stable then they're probably locked up for something else or this these actions are
01:04:40
a little immature which doesn't really go with the the sketch in my mind because to me the
01:04:47
sketch seems older so it's a very difficult case it's very difficult because again it goes to why
01:04:57
did this even start in the first place and then where did this killer go he he's not apprehended for these homicides
01:05:03
at least he may be as you said locked up for something else uh at this point if he was older he may
01:05:11
have even passed away this is an interesting case because it's one that that unlike many other cases
01:05:21
it would seem that there would be very few clues for law enforcement to work with to finding this guy and really to
01:05:29
be honest with you Captain the only hope that I have that the I-70 killer is ever identified
01:05:36
I mean you're talking 26 27 28 years later um very little Clues to go on back in
01:05:43
1992. well again the investigator said at the time on the one homicide this case was cold by the end of the week
01:05:49
right there's so little to go on we don't even have a profile of the suspect right and that's the homework for our
01:05:58
garage Army if somebody can find a psychological profile of the I-70 killer please send it to us and we'll review it
01:06:05
on off the Record because like I said it was stated multiple times in the paper that these different departments were
01:06:12
going to work with the FBI to see if they could put together a psychological profile of the I-70 killer what we do
01:06:20
have is months later where somebody says we don't even know if we have enough to
01:06:25
put together a profile of this guy and this guy's had five different events six different homicides in the course of
01:06:33
a month it also wouldn't shock me if we have a situation where if drugs or mental
01:06:40
health in both especially if both were involved that this individual once they linked the crimes may have discarded the
01:06:49
weapon or committed suicide or both at the time and it's not been linked for whatever reason again if he's willing to
01:06:58
go 10 hours travel time between two of the different homicides who knows how far he went for
01:07:05
for any of them to begin with I think the key here Captain I the only hope I really hold in
01:07:12
identifying this killer is that gun you know the police believe that they've narrowed it down to the make and model
01:07:21
of the gun used in all of the attacks and it's a it's a unique weapon and I think that if they could find someone
01:07:31
with that weapon if he's not discarded that weapon there's a chance that this is a prized possession of his yeah
01:07:39
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