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[Music] foreign [Music] [Music] 2001. a young man not even 30 years of age named Scott Ponder decided to start up
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his own business Scott was a very passionate motorcycle enthusiast so he took his love and knowledge of
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motorcycles and decided to open up a motorcycle and power sports dealership called Superbike Motorsports in Chesney
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South Carolina Scott's best friend Brian Lucas was hired as the first employee of Superbike
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Brian shared the same enthusiasm for all things two-wheeled and Brian had the skills to service and repair motorbikes
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so Brian became the Shop's service manager the store became a quick success Scott used the internet to increase his
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customer base and boost sales and Superbikes saw more than one million in sales in the store's first year
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Scott's mom Beverly guy became a helpful hand at her son's business often times she would run errands for
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her son's store and Scott enjoyed having her around the shop so he hired her as the company's bookkeeper
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in 2002 the business saw continued success in 2003 a superbike's business increased
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so would the employee roster Scott and Brian hired a skilled young man named Chris Schubert to be a
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mechanic Superbike Motorsports really had become the place to go for all things Motorsports
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so people would go into the store to make purchases seek expert advice or sometimes just hang out and talk shop
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on Thursday November 6 2003 Noel Lee a regular at Superbike and close friend of Scott Ponders called the store at 2 30
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pm to tell Ponder's mother Beverly that he was coming there to drop off some tickets to a motorcycle race that would
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be held the next night at the Buy Low Center no plan to go with Ponder and Lucas
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Beverly told Noel that they would be at the shop and to go ahead and drop in Noel took a shower and then left his
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house and he arrived at Superbike around 3 pm Noel pulled into the parking lot and he
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saw his friend Brian Lucas lying face up in the front entrance of the shop Knoll parked his BMW next to Beverly's
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car when he got out of his vehicle he noticed Scott Ponder's body Scott's body was in a puddle of blood
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his head on the pavement his body partially on the concrete sidewalk and partially under his mother's car Brian
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Lucas's body was propping the shattered glass door open Knoll stepped over his friend's body and ran inside the shop
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and over to the telephone on the parts counter he called 9-1-1 at the same time Knoll is yelling to
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Brian and Scott telling them that he was getting them some help while Noel was on the phone with the 911
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operator he saw Scott's mother Beverly she was laying on the floor just outside the bathroom of the large showroom
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which was located in the middle of the Superbike store she was not moving and there was blood
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around her Knoll told the operator that there should be a fourth person Chris Sherbert
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somewhere in the store but he was advised not to go wandering around the store the operator told Noel
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for his own safety he needed to go outside the police and paramedics are on their
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way to Superbike and you need to get out of the store the minutes he waited outside were long
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ones as help arrived Lee sat across the street in the grass trying to convince himself that everything he had just
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experienced was not real and that his friends were still alive when paramedics and police arrived they
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found Scott Bryan and Beverly all were dead upon arrival they found Chris sherberg in the very
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back of the store he had been shot once in the head and was slumped over a motorcycle that he had been working on
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in that short time between the time null had called the store and arrived at the
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store all hell had broken loose because sometime between 2 30 pm and 3 P.M on that Thursday in November
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someone had walked into the superbike Motorsports store and shot the owner his mother and both employees in the head
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this is true crime garage foreign [Music] the crime became known as the super bike
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murders and it seemed as senseless as it was cold-blooded nothing was taken from the store this
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was not a robbery in fact an envelope of cash was lying it was left lying in plain sight police searched for leads
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and they pursued a variety of theories Sheriff Bill Coffey and his investigators they interviewed dozens of
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people and they followed dozens of tips within the weeks that followed but before we get into some of those leads
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Captain I want to talk about a few strange things here that that were right out of the gate with this case so just
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days after the superbike murders law enforcement they're on record stating that there were some similarities to
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another crime that had occurred that same year this is the May 2003 triple homicide that took place at Blue Ridge
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Savings Bank both locations were somewhat isolated and the the investigators thought that
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the attacks did not appear to be random now both of these attacks involve some execution-style shootings which resulted
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in multiple homicides so they're stating that we're seeing some similarities here
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as to what we saw with the superbike murders now at this Bank uh in May of 2003 at
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the Blue Ridge Bank the bank teller Sylvia hozclaw she was killed along with two customers James and Margaret Burns
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were both killed in that incident the thing that seems strange to me Captain is that they come out right at the gate
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saying that we think that there's some similarities here the big problem for me is immediately there's one very
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different issue is that the bank that absolutely was a robbery right it was a takeover yeah and the the super bike
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situation we we see money left in plain sight and this was a very successful business this Superbike Motorsports and
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think about it they're selling High ticket items you know motorcycles are not cheap you know you don't just walk
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in there and pay 50 bucks and walk out of there with a motorcycle that'd be awesome if you did I would have I would
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have at least three but another strange thing in this camp that I find to be very strange is that
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Scott Ponder he's the uh young man that owned the super bike store he's the son of William Dean Ponder and now William
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Dean Ponder is a man that went missing 13 years before Scott was killed at his store now there's no evidence to suggest
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that these cases are anyway connected at all according to uh investigators but just to give you a quick rundown of that
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scenario of of his father's situation that was way back in August of 1993 where William Dean Ponder spent the
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evening with friends at a place called Jay's Tavern this was pretty close to his home his friends stated that they
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dropped him off at the Martin feed mill at the intersection of Paris Bridge Road
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and Martin Camp Road now the man was never seen or heard from again William's father was the one that
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reported him missing uh reported him missing on September 2nd now William I guess had a criminal record which dated
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back to 1976 and included charges for drug and alcohol offenses property crimes and weapons violations well it's
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possible that the law enforcement knew more about money possibly and so maybe when they say it's similar to the bank
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takeover is there some kind of money that was taken that they didn't know about or was the attacker for forced to
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flee the building before he could he or she or they could make off with whatever
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they intended to to get from the store right um regarding his father William was
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released from prison just two months before his disappearance and I guess Foul Play is a strong suspicion in that
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case because in 2006 a former acquaintance of Williams told police that William had in fact been murdered
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he has been declared legally dead but his remains to this date have never been found I wanted to make sure that we
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brought that up because that is a strange thing that that you find when you first start looking at these
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Superbike murders you're like wait a second oh my God this guy's father has disappeared you almost feel like there's
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something somebody uh working and plotting against the family but as we said investigators state that they don't
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see any connection between the two crimes now back to the leads that we discussed now Scott Ponder was a bright
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young businessman we said that his young business was was very successful over a
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million dollars in sales its first year so of course Superbike Motorsports was located on a road and situated in town
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where a lot of vehicles are going to drive past this business during the course of of a daily you know everyone's
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daily routines so the first leads by law enforcement were that there was three cars that were seen at Super bikes that
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day and the sheriff's department they started working with a Graphics Company to draw up computerized Composites of
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the vehicles that were seen at the shop on that fateful day now the vehicles that were seen at the shop earlier in
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the day are described as follows the first was was believed to possibly be an early 90s small red Chevy Cavalier or
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possibly a Honda Civic with a boxy rear and then the other vehicle seen was a late model Chevrolet
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Z71 pick pickup truck described as a medium blue with factory wheels and chrome exhaust and chrome bed
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rails and here's a very good detailed item regarding the truck the truck had a 45 Day South Carolina tag on the back
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now when the sheriff released this information to the public he was smart to remind all of us that you know
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someone with a truck matching this description or if you see one call it in do not dismiss a truck of this
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description simply because it no longer has the 45-day tag on the back those things expire and could be switched out
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it really at any time now the Third vehicle Captain was a sporty small light blue pickup truck make and model unknown
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there was another lead and this lead was a man and a woman were seen near the dealership around the time of the
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murders and then shortly again after the murders both were known drug users with
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Shady reputations it took some time but police were able to track these two down
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and it turns out that the lead fizzled out pretty quickly they were cleared of having any involvement plus you have to
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wonder too if two addicts were went into this place looking for money committed the crime why did they leave such a
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large amount of cash behind and not take anything now in the weeks that followed the
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massacre Noel Lee remember he's the man that that arrived at Superbike store only to find his friends had been killed
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well he says that he didn't have time to grieve for his friends instead he found
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himself under the scrutinizing eye of homicide detectives well he was the last one to call the shop he found them and
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he has no alibi before that time that he showed up to the shop yeah and I guess technically you know we're we're going
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off of what he says he found and so technically he has no alibi for his time at the shop as well one thing that's
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very strange with this guy um is he had a cell phone on him and that that called into question a lot of
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his actions because police were immediately like well if you saw your two friends murdered right out in front
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of the shop the danger could still be in the shop the killer could still be in there right why would you why would you
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practically leap over the body body of your friend run into the store and use the store's phone to call 9-1-1
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now he stated simply this that when he saw his friends killed in the parking lot he just kind of forgot like you know
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what I mean like nothing really made sense to him he kind of forgot everything he was I think he immediately
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went into shock and just kind of went on instincts at that point well fight or flight right and he he for some whatever
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reason just kind of shot into the store and picked up the phone of the store but
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at least he called 9-1-1 the tricky thing too is that he tells the 9-1-1 operator after he sees you know he
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didn't see Beverly guy killed until he was on the phone with the operator and at some point well he didn't see her
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dead right and at some point he tells the operator this and then says you know there should
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be a fourth person in the building the operator tells him well you need to get out of the building to which he does you
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know he follows the direction of the operator again because he was in shock now somebody's telling him hey you
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probably should be outside and he's like oh yeah and I think that probably makes
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more sense I think that the investigators found it pretty curious that he happened to know that there were
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four people in the store and four people were ultimately found dead there but like we said he was a regular he he was
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good friends with Brian good friends with Scott and he would have known what was going on at the store he would have
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had a good idea hey there's any time the stores open there's four people here right when it's like back in the day
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when I talked guitar lessons I mean people would come into the store they would never see me there I was in the
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back room teaching guitar lessons but regular customers that came in once a week or twice a week they knew what days
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I was there on so if something happened at the store they'd easily be able to say there was probably a teacher in the
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back you know I know he's there you know Monday through Thursday or whatever so the the fact that they find that
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suspicious I mean this guy is dropping off tickets to them you see what I mean like it seems like
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he has a closer relationship than just customer um store relationship well I'm glad you
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bring that up because I don't know that everybody will fully identify with how these kind of stores run you know so
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this whole this this whole business is based off of a hobby and some people people that are into Motorsports people
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that are into guitars and music right they're usually pretty hardcore about those Hobbies so those are serious
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time-consuming hobbies that are expensive expensive as well and you know this from working at the guitar store
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that people sometimes would drop in just to kill time oh yeah we had regular customers that would probably show up
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like I said once or twice a week and then sometimes they're not there to buy anything sometimes it's just part of
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their routine it's become part of their weekly deal where they're like I got an extra hour and a half I'm gonna drop by
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this the guitar shop see if they got anything new in see what see what the captain's up to you know just kind of
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shoot the [ __ ] so to speak is what a lot of them do come in and talk shop yeah
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and then if you didn't see them for a couple weeks when they came in the first thing you said Is Where Have You Been
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yeah oh you know I just got busy and they'd always say but every week if they came and uh if they came in on a Monday
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they'd say hey got anything new in they came in two days later you got anything new in and that was just but half the
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time you won't even talk about guitar you should just kind of talk about life or whatever it was like hanging out with
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your music buddies well Noel Lee the man that arrived at the super bike to find his friends murdered they fingerprinted
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him they dusted his car he submitted to a lie detector test he sat through hours
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and hours and hours of questioning and it took quite a bit of time and quite a bit of work on law enforcement's part
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but at some point law enforcement they say that Noel Lee he was eventually cleared by the police I don't know the
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details of them clearing him but that's their statement to the public this guy didn't have anything to do with the
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murders of these four people now this is tragic of course these four good people they are killed and as I
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said before I understand why he was a suspect in fact I I would have some strong thoughts
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about his story as well I have read and seen many interviews with this guy though captain and and I hope Noel has
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fully recovered from this by this point in time but there is no doubt in my mind
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if you see this guy in interviews and you read his words this guy suffered from some serious PTSD from from this
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incident yeah well these these were his friends yeah you know so like I said he was stopping by to drop off tickets to
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event I mean like I said that goes beyond customer store relationship this was their friend and yes you have to
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look at him because he is the one that found them but I don't think his story is odd I don't think his story is so odd
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that makes you have to look at him I think you just have to look at him because he was the one that was there
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and found them and called 9-1-1 and you have to at least rule him out or in as a
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suspect now it took more than a month for detectives to track down a very important witness but they were able to
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interview possibly the last person other than the killer or Killers to see the four victims alive this was a customer
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who was in the shop just minutes before the shooting this is a man by the name of Kelly Sisk this witness told the
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sheriff's department that he saw a man in the dealership when he was in there and he recalled how the unknown man in
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the shop had inquired about a specific motorcycle and spoke as if he had little to no knowledge about bikes
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so much so that the so much so that the customer found this guy's Behavior to be
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strange and off-putting like to the point where even it even if nothing else would have happened
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that day he made a mental note of this dude because the conversation was weird now Kelly Sisk was in there simply to
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pay a payment his son had some type of I don't know if it was like an ATV or a quad or something like that but he had
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some kind of recreational vehicle that they had purchased there and he said you know once once a month I would drop by
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and make a payment on that but I would also you know if I went in to make a payment I would be in there
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for a half an hour to 45 minutes because I'm looking at the bikes I'm talking shop this guy comes in he's talking
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doesn't know what he's talking about and then I leave and then the place is shot up later
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right the weird thing too is they brought Kelly back to the dealership after the murders
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took place and I don't know how many days afterwards this was but they were walking him through the
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store and they wanted him to point out anything to them that that looked different
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then when he was last in the store what what was different about this store from
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the time that you left to now after these murders have happened and he stated he told the detectives
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that you know the bike that that guy was talking to the store owner about it was
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a black motorcycle he said he found when they walked him through it he they found that bike in the back of
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the store he said no when I was in here this guy was talking to him about this bike and it was in the showroom
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so sometime between Kelly Sisk leaving the store that bike had made its way from the showroom to the back of the
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store so I think this shows us that we're working with a pretty good lead a really good tip here and this produced a
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description and a sketch of this off-putting man the description was a of a white man 25 to 40 years of age
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approximately six foot tall 175 to 200 pounds with dark brown feathered hair let's get right back to this after this
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quick beer break [Music] thank you [Music] all right we're back Cheers Cheers now
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as one would expect the detectives looked into the lives of the victims to try to find a reason someone would want
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to kill them Brian Scott and Beverly did not seem to have any bad blood between them or anyone else now of course police
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always examine the victim's families as well and close friends and Melissa Ponder this is Scott's wife she would be
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no exception so of course she is called into the station on several occasions in
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the months that followed the murders during one visit to the police station Melissa changed her baby's diaper during
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this visit the police unbeknownst to Melissa kept the diaper and after Melissa you know after Melissa had
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thrown it away They confiscated this thing okay so this diapers taken by the police and it's later sent to to a lab
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to test the DNA DNA samples had been collected from all four victims at the murder scene upon running the sample
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from the diaper against that of samples collected at the Superbike store right police determined that Scott was not
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actually the father of this baby what in fact the test results said that Brian Scott's close friend and employee was
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the baby's father so this is a huge issue for any number of reasons not to mention Brian was married as well
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they confronted the police confronted Melissa with this information and she flatly denied the possibility that
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anyone that anyone other than Scott was the father of her baby so she requested that they do a second
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DNA test that a second test be done well they did and for a second time the test came back with the same results
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saying Brian was the father not Scott okay so does she still deny it well there's there's a little more to this
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story because at that point Melissa decides to quit speaking with police about the case and she's not willing she
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she will talk with them but at this point she lawyers up and she's not talking with them unless the lawyer is
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present and often the lawyer is recommending that she do not speak to them at all
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right now people everywhere they started to think that Melissa obviously had something to do with these murders right
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now it took roughly and I say I say roughly but as it comes as as the words come out of my mouth I
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could only imagine how rough it actually was but it took roughly 18 months that passed
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before the cloud of Suspicion surrounding Melissa would disappear okay all right friends and family of the
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victims they weren't even sure what to think at this point at some point Beverly this is Scott's mom remember who
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worked at the store as well right well the police decided that they should run her DNA against her sons Scott's DNA
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okay to see if anything funny was going on there the tests were run and then the results
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well what comes back is it's not a match I'm okay so something very strange is going on here right yeah or bad lab work
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there you go because after a lot of investigating and examining what possibly could have happened they
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realized that Scots and Brian's DNA samples had been mixed up for some reason so this poor lady right right she loses
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her husband and then you say hey um by the way we took the sample of this diaper we took the diaper we took some
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[ __ ] right and we went down to our lab and we tested it and came out that Scott
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is not the you know it's like Mori or something right it's like he is not the father and she's going wait a second he
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is the father there's no possibility no no Brian's a father she's probably thinking
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because she's telling the truth right right she's probably she knows she's telling the truth right she knows if she
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who she slept with and who she didn't sleep with and if she's saying there's no way in hell well and the samples
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probably could have been they could have been mixed up when they were collected at the crime scene because remember
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these two poor guys were laying next to each each other they may have just been mislabeled from the get-go so this means
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obviously that Melissa was telling the truth Scott was the father of her baby Beverly was Scott's mother just like
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everyone had always thought forever right so suddenly it doesn't look so suspicious that Melissa was only willing
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to speak with law enforcement with a lawyer present well it makes you start wondering the competency of the law
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enforcement yet the other thing though too is we have to think about this because she's trying to help them
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investigate the murder of her husband the the murder of her son's father and then at some point they are telling her
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this is not Scott's baby I'm sure she's like oh my God they're they're trying to
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pin this thing on me yeah well she'll and then once she knows that they're full of [ __ ] she's probably
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thinking man these window lickers how are they going to solve the case well this is the shittiest test I've ever
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heard of right so but just a real quick note here captain on kind of uh conflicting theories that were presented
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by persons closest to the case we have the investigators that believe that the gunman uh was armed with a pistol or
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handgun and he entered the shop from the back of the building and killed Chris Sherbert first while he was working on
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the motorcycle that they later found him slumped over they believed then the gunman walked through the shop toward
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the middle of the building then killed Beverly at the showroom then Brian Lucas at the main doorway and Scott Ponder in
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the parking lot now Noel who found the bodies he says that you know he kind of disagrees with their theories and with
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the rumors that he had been hearing around town the rumors he was hearing was that Scott and Brian were
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potentially running from the store running from the shop to get away from someone
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and he thinks that that what he thinks is more likely having known these guys is that possibly Scott was trying to
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defuse some type of Confrontation that was actually outside of the store when the shots were fired and Brian ran out
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to Scott's Aid so just a couple of opinions from persons closest to the case I think I
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think there's a chance that that both could be right in a sense that what seems pretty clear though
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is regardless of the order of the attack and how it took place Chris Sherbert he's working on the bike in the back of
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the building right and he apparently is unaware that there was any type of danger at all when he was shot so either
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he was surprised or had little to no time to react to what was going on or what was going to happen to him
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yeah well you wonder how loud it was in the shop because if let's say it's pretty loud I didn't take that into
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consideration but let's say you have some music blasting right right so then or your wrenching right yeah right some
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noises happening with your tools and there's a conversation with Scott in the front with this suspect and it gets
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heated he shoots Scott then Brian's coming out to help Scott he gets shot he makes his way into the
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store to kill the mother but then he goes around the store to the back where they would be working on the bike and
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that's why he'd be shot without knowing uh it's unlikely to me that they would not hear three gunshots but again
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depends on how loud the noise is and some people will wear like noise canceling headphones when they're
00:33:35
working on with loud or earplugs right so we do see you know the detectives chasing the leads working them
00:33:43
ultimately to the point where they start clearing suspects we start seeing the people closest to the victims getting
00:33:49
clear to suspects specifically the wives and then the friend that found the bodies
00:33:55
leads that were called in about strange people or suspicious people that were shared by Witnesses those were worked
00:34:03
and cleared as well with the exception of the lead provided by Kelly Sisk and that's the best lead because when you
00:34:09
have a guy that obviously doesn't know what he's talking about or that's what this lead was saying and then that same
00:34:17
bike that that suspect was talking about is on you know in the back up working on
00:34:24
it went from the showroom to to the service room hmm you know again that would be like and all I'm doing is going
00:34:32
off of like guitar store knowledge but if some guy came in and he was looking at uh Flying V right and he said oh yeah
00:34:41
I like this Flying V but I like to buy it we'd put it on the the workbench to do a couple tweaks to it before the guy
00:34:49
bought it right and so if that guy then shot up the store and left it well see what I'm saying right well the thing
00:34:57
though is okay so Kelly Kelly doesn't know who this guy is which is which is also
00:35:04
strange in a way because this shop had a lot of quote-unquote regulars you know so when he's describing this guy he's
00:35:12
saying not only did he not know what he was talking about regarding motorcycles he's no but he's no one that I've ever
00:35:18
seen in the store before right and furthermore and if this does not come out very early in the investigation I
00:35:25
think this came out quite late but we would later find out that the the bike the black motorcycle
00:35:33
that Chris had been working on or doing something with when he was shot and ultimately found slumped over that bike
00:35:40
right that bike had a bill of sale written up for that bike but there was no customer name written on the bill of
00:35:47
sale so they they really believed that that just seconds before this attack went
00:35:52
down the bike made its way to the back of the store maybe Chris took it back there or or it
00:35:58
was walked back to him somebody's ringing up a bill of sale or writing it out and then the attacks must
00:36:05
have went down right there before they could get this customer's name right and you think a
00:36:11
crime that is this vicious it seems like the subject would have to know at least one or more of the victims
00:36:22
but we don't have really any evidence saying that is true and where we see the um what we had referred to as the
00:36:30
incompetence with the mixing up of the DNA samples that's a little tricky because you know does that fall on the
00:36:39
the crime scene texts did they did they simply label those wrong but regardless if you're going to come out with an
00:36:45
accusation like that maybe yeah you should have double you should double check your work yeah I mean it's one
00:36:52
thing to make a mistake it's another thing to not double check and then make accusations like that because
00:37:00
um again this this person is a victim and now you're you're going out I mean just to put in the Public's eyes that
00:37:09
hey your son's father is not his father that makes her look like a pretty shitty
00:37:16
person well not only that not only is he not the father but his his good friend maybe best friend and co-worker right or
00:37:23
employee is the real father and the thing is you know people's people's lives and mindsets can be fragile
00:37:32
especially a victim of this nature and to throw that out there you I mean you really could be pushing somebody over
00:37:40
the edge to committing suicide or doing something doing something completely off the off
00:37:45
the wall law enforcement's lucky that she's of strong mind now one thing that I do think that they
00:37:53
did well though the the investigators did well and I I liken this to an old FBI tactic where when they released the
00:38:02
description of this last known man to be in the Super Bike store this this fake customer guy when they released the
00:38:10
description and the sketch of him they specifically say this guy's not a suspect he we're not considering him a
00:38:17
suspect he he is somebody that we would like to talk to we would like for him to
00:38:21
come forward because we believe that he could provide information that could help solve these cases or maybe he
00:38:30
actually saw the real last person that was in the store right unfortunately this man does not come forward and the
00:38:40
now famous case known as the superbike murders or to local law enforcement as simply Superbikes was at a standstill
00:38:48
this case was still being worked from time to time now on the anniversary of the murders on the one two or even five
00:38:56
and ten years after the quad homicide the phone would ring at the police station and somebody would provide some
00:39:03
information that would ultimately be useless to the solving of the crimes but no matter how cold this case was
00:39:11
Superbikes was always on the minds of the good men and women at the sheriff's department and on the hearts and minds
00:39:17
of the people in the community and it just makes you wonder what like their policy or what the procedure was for
00:39:24
writing a bill of sale and why there wasn't somebody's name on that bill of sale I wonder too I mean this points out
00:39:33
to me Captain that the people selling the bike right may not have known the man's name and I know that sounds silly
00:39:39
but I mean they don't know his name by he's not a regular at the store right right it's more confirmation of that
00:39:46
maybe they had to ask him for a driver's license or something of that nature before they legitimately put it on the
00:39:52
bill of sale right but now we have to fast forward to 13 years later late in 2016 in a
00:40:02
in a completely different story here Captain this is taking place in Anderson South Carolina we have 32 year old
00:40:09
Charles Carver he had recently been through a bitter divorce and he's now living in an
00:40:16
apartment at the Anderson Crossing Apartments complex with his 30 year old girlfriend Kayla Brown
00:40:22
now Charles who is described as a super down-to-earth great country guy he works
00:40:29
at First Quality Enterprises Kayla who did a stint in the U.S army After High School was working at a
00:40:37
dialysis center uh she started working there in 2013. the happy boyfriend and girlfriend they were very social people
00:40:46
uh easy to get along with and could often be seen walking their little pomeranian dog named Romeo
00:40:57
like a whole bunch of us Charles and Kayla they used Facebook to stay up to date with you
00:41:03
know with their friends and family and such both were tight with their families and
00:41:08
both were considered to be very reliable and dependable people then one day in early September of 2016
00:41:17
people started to take notice it seems no one had seen either Charles or Kayla in quite some time
00:41:25
both were missing work and people started to wonder who's taking care of their little dog Romeo right they were
00:41:34
both reported missing and authorities started looking for the couple and started trying to determine where they
00:41:40
were last seen and heard from now according to police reports from the Anderson Police Department Charles's
00:41:47
mother Claudia had been unable to reach him since she says August 29 2016. so how long is that
00:41:56
well they weren't reported missing until early September and then we have Caleb Brown's friend
00:42:02
Leah Miller she told police that she had last heard from Kayla on August 31st but
00:42:09
this was in the form of a short text message right the message just simply said are you awake I guess Leah did not
00:42:16
answer that text until later that day but when she did reply to the text she never heard anything back from Kayla so
00:42:25
Charles's car had vanished as well the couple's cell phones eventually went dead
00:42:31
even their beloved dog was you know he's at home without food or water right now August
00:42:38
31st the August 31st text Captain is believed to be the last communication from either one of these people
00:42:47
and this is until we start seeing some activity in September and October these are odd postings that appear on Facebook
00:42:55
okay they're posting them well there were several news articles reporting the story okay from time to time about the
00:43:04
uh the missing people but then there's also some news articles that come out and they start reporting this uh one in
00:43:12
particular is from The Daily Beast stated that the facts pretty clearly state that someone is pretending to be
00:43:20
this missing couple on Facebook and they're adding that ever since Charlie Carver Charles Carver and Caleb
00:43:28
Brown vanished someone had been adding life events on Facebook and even messaging their friends
00:43:37
okay so that's strange yeah they simply asked a simple question here could this be the ex-wife remember we
00:43:46
talked about a bitter divorce right now according to this article from The Daily
00:43:51
Beast Charlie Carver's Facebook page tells the story of a man that was currently in love at the time of his
00:43:57
disappearance but it also states that on July 1st Carver posted that he and his girlfriend
00:44:04
were expecting a daughter and then on August 1st the two bought a house together and then on September 1st
00:44:13
the couple got married now what horrified Charles's friends and family was that all of these happy new
00:44:21
Milestones on his timeline were logged retroactively right they weren't logged until October 1st which was more than a
00:44:31
month after the time that the two were considered to have been missing right I don't know much about these uh life
00:44:38
posts or life events but it is weird that they're posting them afterwards I'm guessing what it is is like if you got a
00:44:45
new job uh September 1st that sometimes people don't post that they got a job September 1st they might wait wait a
00:44:52
couple weeks see how it goes right but the fact that there's all these you know we're we're expecting a kid we got
00:44:59
married uh for people that are very involved with their family um even if it was true you'd start
00:45:07
wondering well what the heck is going on with this couple they're not communicating with anybody in their
00:45:11
family everybody's wondering there's got to be someone out there that's posing as
00:45:18
Charles and still sending messages to his friends the first week of October do we
00:45:25
have any idea of what kind of messages uh well there was there was this incident that the first week of October
00:45:33
sometime in the first week of October someone had uploaded and then quickly deleted an old picture of the couple
00:45:40
um and there was a caption that that came along with the picture that just said we
00:45:46
are fine right and then that was deleted yeah and then the missing couple's case
00:45:52
it was starting to gain more and more attention from the media as these things were happening and then there came a
00:45:59
particularly cryptic post this was on well before this I mean as far as law enforcement goes again yes these people
00:46:07
are close with their family but it's not too far out of the realm to think that they just went missing
00:46:14
because they wanted to then they are still active on Facebook I mean it has to be in the back your head that this
00:46:21
could be them posting this stuff yeah yeah I mean yeah absolutely the the but the really odd thing is that the
00:46:32
purchasing of the house right is weird to me because yeah do people do people get pregnant do couples get pregnant and
00:46:39
decide to get married and they take off it happens it does happen right but rarely would I say do we see somebody
00:46:45
say oh we bought a house and then you know 30 days later we're we're at a Dodge right you can't find us anywhere
00:46:52
and furthermore where's this house right they were still living in the apartment
00:46:56
complex when when they were last seen right that would be real shitty people like hey we now got a house but we're
00:47:05
gonna leave the dog behind right now that we have more space for the dog unfortunately there are people out there
00:47:11
that there are people all that stuff so so regarding this cryptic post that was put on Charles Carver's Facebook page uh
00:47:19
the post that that gained a lot of attention in the media was this it was it read last thing I remember I was
00:47:27
running for the door I had to find the passage back to the place I was before relax said the night man we are
00:47:34
programmed to receive you can check out anytime you like but you can never leave
00:47:39
Hotel California by the Eagles now since their disappearance we said that these messages started to appear uh
00:47:49
and they were retroactively put on their Facebook page but during those couple of
00:47:54
months here we have Charles's family who they very quickly showed up after they reported him missing they took the dog
00:48:02
to care for the dog good good people they even paid the rent for the couple's apartment for a couple of months
00:48:09
and then one day Charles's family they showed up and they backed up a truck and they packed up all of the couple's
00:48:16
belongings and they took off right this would be very difficult on the family meanwhile you know while all this scary
00:48:24
crazy stuff is going on with the missing couple's Facebook pages police have an active missing persons
00:48:31
case going on and they are working this case from every angle Anderson Police investigators they were
00:48:39
able to obtain a warrant or a court order for cell phone records from a t this is Kayla Brown's cell phone service
00:48:48
provider police wanted to use technology to try to locate the missing couple they
00:48:55
wanted to see if they could locate Kayla's last cell phone signal now this is not as simple as it may sound this
00:49:03
isn't the more common GPS technology most people are familiar with that you know what that would only work if Kayla
00:49:11
had location services turned on or right like find my phone feature turned on instead what the investigators were able
00:49:19
to obtain they obtained cell phone records that would show which cell phone towers Kayla's phone had connected to up
00:49:28
until the moment that the phone had died yeah these look these are true crime listeners right they all know about cell
00:49:36
phone ping technology well I I know that Captain I bring this up only because there are some specific details within
00:49:44
this investigation that may be a little different from what we typically hear what we're used to right okay so just in
00:49:52
case there's one or two people out there that don't know the the the cell phone is always searching for the close
00:49:59
closest or strongest signal so cell towers keep a log of these pings you know when when the two two connect with
00:50:07
each other there's a ping so since pings are being sent constantly between multiple Towers records will then allow
00:50:15
law enforcement later to triangulate a phone's location based on the strength of the pings between the towers right
00:50:24
well to triangulate this and to really narrow it down to a specific location you need three towers
00:50:31
in this situation this situation is quite a bit it's quite more difficult because
00:50:37
this situation we only have two towers that are nearby right because this is a rural area
00:50:44
so having becomes a lot harder right having two towers nearby versus three gives a
00:50:51
larger search area because the search area should be based on where the two towers where the where the tower signals
00:50:58
overlap right so here you would only have two rather than three what they discovered in Kayla's cell phone
00:51:05
situation that it had pinged indicating Kayla's phone was in a town 50 miles Northeast of where the two had lived and
00:51:15
the phone was sending a signal up to two days after she was last seen on August 31st and these pings were coming from
00:51:24
the location of Woodruff South Carolina so Captain we have the super bike quadruple homicide that takes place in
00:51:32
2003 and then 13 years later we have The Disappearance of this young couple that's receiving media attention because
00:51:40
of these strange Facebook postings well what did the two of these cases have to do with one another we'll get to that
00:51:47
tomorrow and part two [Music] till tomorrow everybody out there be good be kind and don't litter
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