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crime [Music] in August of 2017 30-year-old Kim wall disappeared after boarding the uc3 Nautilus
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submarine with a man named Peter Madson now we discussed that they had found Peter Madson he claims they he had
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dropped Kim off and then later they find the submarine and they find evidence to
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suggest that something very bad had happened to Kim wall while on board the submarine but at this point they've
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still not found Kim wall police in an effort to do so reconstructed the travels of the Nautilus on August 10th
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and 11th using radar signals from other ships traffic that night and they conducted extensive searches of the
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waters the Nautilus navigated so a huge effort made but they do not locate Kim well on August 21st a cyclist biking at
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3:40 in the afternoon on a major Island near where the Nautilus went down he found a naked mutilated torso floating
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on the Island's Shoreline so they find her body 11 days after she went missing the Torso which had a belt strapped
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around it with several pieces of metal piping tied to the Belt as if to weit it down the corpse was sent to the
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Department of forensic medicine at the University of Copenhagen where DNA analysis confirmed that this was Kim
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wall Peter then embellished his story about the accidental death to try to account for the discovery of this naked
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torso all right so let's let's hear what the dickn had to say well some of these
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details about his story came out in the Press uh despite a court gag order put in place so that the lurid details would
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of what happened to Kim didn't become tabloid fder well when they placed the gag order I think U Peter started
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playing flicky flicky again in a September hearing to determine whether there was sufficient evidence to
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continue to hold Peter pending further inves investigation of the case Peter told the court that he slipped when in
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the subs Tower and tried to hold the hatch but it fell down Kim who was on her way up the tower was hit in the head
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by the hatch she fell down the ladder and bled from an open skull fracture this is what he said he explained that
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the accident horrified him and he panicked he then hauled him up using a rope which resulted in her clothes being
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pulled off specifically he stated that her stockings and underwear came off as a result of his pulling her up by the
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legs he then dropped her body into the sea and intended to commit suicide because he was so distraught from what
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had just occurred soon after Kim's torso was found the prosecutor changed the charges against Peter mats into
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manslaughter now just just to be clear in Denmark this is a greater charge not a lesser charge as it is here in the
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United States in Denmark this is the equivalent of intentional homicide or premeditated murder the autopsy results
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and of course they were shocking they concluded that Kim had been stabbed 14 times in and around her vagina along
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with at least one other stab wound on her rib cage and others on the body it was determined that these wounds were
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inflicted quote around or shortly after her death end quote the the autopsy could not determine whether she was
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strangled but there were signs of mechanical xixia caused by either strangulation or slit throat Kim's limbs
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they could determine were likely removed with assault mhm now danish military divers continued to look for the rest of
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Kim's body and the water around where the sub sank this was an incredibly complicated effort requiring
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oceanography experts in currents and Tides analyzing likely flow of the waters they used meteorologists to
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analyze the weather patterns effect on the water in the area and Recreations of some of the exact sailing routes of the
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Nautilus using that radar that we discussed earlier right and again this is 11 days after she went missing or
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last time she was seen so they have to do this math and this research for the last 11 days well once investigators
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determine where the body likely was they used special cadaver dogs from Sweden who were trained to sniff through water
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these these amazing dogs can smell a dead body 30 m down even after the passage of time mhm finally nearly 2
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months after Kim went missing divers found her head clothing and sneakers and a knife in separate plastic bags in the
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waters about 6 miles from where her torso was found they also found both legs all of these body parts were
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weighted down with pieces of metal piping or tubes as they were described the being similar to that that
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was used in the Nautilus in the submarine well there's so many cases that we cover that law enforcement will
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screw something up or the investigation get screwed up or you even feel like there might be just lack of effort and
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then in this case you see law enforcement and you see this team of people gather around together and and
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really go above and beyond well despite these discoveries Captain Peter stuck to
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his story that that uh Kim had been hit in the head by the heavy hatch and died and he disposed of her body yeah uh he
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denies killing her he denies dismembering her however a postmortem examination of Kim skull conducted once
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her head was retrieved from the bay showed no sign of any kind of fracture or violence to the skull meaning his
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story is not true it's a it's a lie but not only is a a lie but we also have evidence that shows that you're watching
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videos where it's vagina's being stabbed and then her vagina's stabbed 14 times like that's
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what kind of coincidence is that MH well and the interesting thing too is as we mentioned not only sticking with his
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story that he didn't kill her but also that he didn't dismember her and this is even after divers found a saw with a
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blade consistent with whatever tool that was used to dismember Kim Kim's body right so so sometime in late October
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2017 the Copenhagen police reported that Peter now was ready to change his story
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once again regarding that night in August now alleging that Kim died from carbon monoxide poisoning he said he was
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up on the deck of the Nautilus and a carbon monoxide leak down below where Kim was caused by a sudden drop in the
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subs air pressure this is what killed her and he states that a vacuum effect kept him from being able to open the
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hatch to go down and save Kim by the time he was able to open the hatch he said I found her lifeless on the floor
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and I squat next to her and tried to wake her up slapping her cheeks Peter claimed he tried for an hour to lift
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Kim's body out of the sub but finally gave up and decided that the only way to get her off of this submarine was to cut
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her up so at this point two months after Kim's Death Peter finally admitted to dismembering her body in the bathroom of
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the Nautilus using quote whatever tools were around he told the court that he then weighed down and dumped Kim's body
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parts and changed his clothes so soon after this partial confession the police found an arm and
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coob again it was weighed down with pipes and 8 days after that found another arm in the full indictment of
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Peter Manson Pro prosecutors alleged that on August 10th as part of a plan to kill Kim wall Peter brought on board the
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submarine the following a saw knife sharpened screwdrivers straps zip ties and pipes there are also reports that
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the indictment mentioned a video camera which was missing a memory card and stating Peter bound Kim by the head arms
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and legs and then repeatedly Beat hit cut and stabbed her before killing her possibly by choking or cutting her
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throat the indictment said right now the trial Captain would begin on March 8th 2018 let's hold up real quick because
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how many times how many stories has he told so far four or five uh he's let's say four four seems right is he going to
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keep changing the story cuz I mean this show is only an hour long well but this is pretty common place especially with
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these kind of Maniacs with these kind of monsters right this guy's a psychopath well what they do is okay they're
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they're presented the a story okay this is what what happened and we need an explanation so he offers one up yeah he
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goes what happened was and then he just starts lying out of his stupid [ __ ] mouth right that's all he
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does right well when evidence is later found and presented to him he Chang then right then he changes the story I mean
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let's just go back to the one where he freaked out and didn't know what to do again you call 911 you you you ask for
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help you do whatever you can you don't then to say hey well you know now his story basically is you know he must
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think that everybody on this Earth is so stupid that they're going to believe this idea that oh well she just she died
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and then I I kneeled down beside her and I couldn't do anything so I decided Well
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you know that saw that I brought on the boat today let me dismember her uh tie her body uh tie pipes to her body uh
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parts so that that they drown and nobody can find them and then I'll never mention her when when they when they
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rescue me after I fake drowning My Submarine the fact that this [ __ ] believes that anybody's going to believe
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his story I mean it's just and that shows how crazy this individual is well I don't know that he believes anybody
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will believe him he doesn't have any other options at this point I mean when when he offers up a story and then they
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give him I mean other than confessing yeah it's called you're you're going away for life I'm guessing they don't
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have the death penalty no and actually I don't know that they their life in prison might not be the same as our life
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in prison this is a don't tell me that this is a country and in a lot of countries out there uh they believe in
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Rehabilitation and yeah don't don't believe in that well our country tried that at one point and it didn't work out
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very well for us so we don't believe in Rehabilitation as much as we advertise that we do and I think it's for Lessons
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Learned well this trial Captain was presided over by one professional judge and two lay judges this was an option
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Peter Matson chose and as opposed to a jury trial uh this seems reasonable seems like a likely option for him if he
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were to be Tried by a jury they would probably be immediately shocked and horrified what they would learn about
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this individual and to be a quick guilty verdict so he's going to take his chances with the judges yeah and just
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when I praise him I think I praised them yesterday for putting forth great eort effort and now you're
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telling me that this guy could get out of prison well apprehension effort you know
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apprehending somebody the effort made forth than that is one thing holding them for the rest of their lives is is a
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different thing um we we have to keep in mind too captain we're also might not be
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dealing with a normal typical situation and what I mean by that is one we already I can tell I've been listening
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we already discussed the incredibly low murder rate in the area where and I'm not trying to I'm not
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trying to downplay this or their effort in any manner but in other areas of the world when some when something goes
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unsolved for a bit of time the detectives working that case catch another murder case at some point
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another file lands on their desk another investigation is to be had and we see that a lot with cases that we've covered
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here in the United States and that's why sometimes case go cold because there's just not enough manh hours or people to
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work those cases yeah but I mean but this this incident is especially different yeah because I mean it shows
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you I mean just shows you how messed up the whole world really is that's the that's the sick thing it's not the whole
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world it's not the whole world there's there's a small part of the world a small percentage of people tell me where
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right right right but it's everywhere it's happening everywhere well of course right but so just tell me the place that
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it's not happening and let me go there well you have to go where there's no people okay well tell me where that's at
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cuz I'm going I'm on the break well that's some people are attempting to go to Mars at some point and live and
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occupy that space while see in Mars then yeah but if there's more than if there's
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some people there at some point there's going to be a Mur great I mean look it's
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it's I'll keep doing the show until there's a murder on Mars everywhere that there's cats and birds
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a cat kills a bird that's just the way that the world Works what are you trying to say about cats it's the way that the
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world works okay so we talking about the trial here Peter stuck to his story about Kim perishing from carbon monoxide
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poisoning aboard the submarine but on the stand he was almost seemed delusional at times he was referring to
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himself in both the first and third person and frequently switched between Pres present and past tense saying
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things like Kim was having the time of her life and Peter is talking a lot and he is happily sharing his dreams with
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Kim per the indictment prosecutors argued that Peter had planned the murder furthermore the prosecution intended to
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show that Peter intended to make a snuff film directed by him and starring what would later be the victim there were 35
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Witnesses in this Tri which lasted 5 weeks so do they believe that he was just faking this nonsense on on the stand or
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was this something that they think was happening naturally I think this was happening
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naturally I don't have any of their opinions on on this and um this is not a trial to determine his State of Mind
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this is simply a trial to determine his guilt and in this situation where you have a guy that appears to be very
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guilty and there's evidence as such it's also more important as to what he is in
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fact guilty of he's guilty of something what in fact was that and keep in mind it's the premeditated murder that they
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are accusing him of so Peter now has an answer as to why there are stab wounds on the Torso and he states that when in
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panicked when he was trying to get rid of the body he stabbed the Torso to release the natural gases that would you
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know allow the Torso to sink so it wouldn't float up and be found easily found well that's going to make it could
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make it difficult for the prosecution to determine how she was killed or if in fact she had died from that carbon
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monoxide poisoning as Peter was suggesting what they could find is we have scientists who would testify during
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the course of this trial and they would testify stating that there were no toxic
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fumes found in the lungs of Kim wall meaning she didn't she didn't breathe anything in that would kill her and they
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also testified that while an event like that is possible the event that Peter described is possible one we have to
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keep in mind the guy practically built by himself this submarine I mean with the assistance of the the company that
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he found founded he built the submarine so he fully understands the way that this thing would operate as well as the
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way that defects would take place and accidents could occur so when he gives you a detailed statement of this is how
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she died because this happened well he's going to give you something that is likely or or that is a possibility at
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least let's say so while the scientists would agree with that possibility the thing that they pointed out is for that
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event to have occur heard the way that he stated that there would have had to been some kind
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of extreme heat event on the submarine meaning a fire an explosion or something of that nature causing the heat to rise
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to such a level that that event occurred well the problem with Peter's story is when they look at the submarine and
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evidence found on the submarine it would be obvious if that kind of event occurred to begin with to to to have the
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cause effect the domino effect of having this carbon monoxide event take place so
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there was no heat there was nothing destroyed by extreme amounts of heat on the submarine so they're able to
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Captain so as the uh trial went on the prosecutors weren't able to fully establish nor prove exactly how Kim wall
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died okay now what they could conclude was that at some point air to the lungs stopped so that could be the result of
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several different things however all the other evidence Point toward her being murdered by Peter Madson and these
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things were as follows one we have people co-workers of his that would testify that those items that the
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prosecution states that he brought on board the the saw the screwdrivers knives zip ties things of
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that nature all those items that they listed those co-workers suggested and said on the stand these are not items we
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would expect somebody to bring onto the sub these were items that you would expect someone to bring if they were
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going to murder maybe torture and dismember somebody right so we have that testimony as well as we have the
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prosecution who would focus on those the clips from the snuff films the torture porn whatever you want to call it m they
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would focus on those clips so people in the courtroom the judges and the journalists that were there they were
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forced to watch some of these clips now after a while the judges said hey you you got to stop this we can't just keep
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showing these things all day long one us as judges can't sit through this and the
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journalist can't handle it as well yeah and and then everybody had to put on boots because Peter kept drooling so
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much while they're watching these clips well it's going to be a lot of this kind
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of stuff that would lead to the unanimous decision that found him guilty uh and he was guilty on all counts in
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the indictment good good so the three major charges were premeditated murder aggravated sexual assault and
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desecrating a corpse the judge declared the sentence without hesitation or delay
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saying this is a cynical and pre-planned sexual assault of a particularly brutal
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nature on a random woman who in connection with her journalistic work accepted an invitation for a sailing
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trip on the accused submarine explaining the rare decision to hand down Denmark's most severe
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sentence life in prison now again no possibility of pearl well I again it their system is not the same as ours
00:27:41
just to be completely clear this is a rare decision to give out a life sentence and and where I said earlier
00:27:49
that I didn't think he got life what I mean by that is we know even in this country life does not always mean life
00:27:57
right right so even that it's unusual for a life sentence to be handed down for the murder of a single person in
00:28:04
Denmark it's rare because what mean we mean here is prisoners sentenced to life imprisonment serve an average of 16
00:28:11
years they are then entitled to periodic reviews of their sentence beginning at 12 years and usually only serve 16
00:28:20
Denmark places heavy emphasis as we said earlier on Rehabilitation there are currently only 25 inmates serving life
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terms in that country and Peter Madson was only the 15th person in 10 years to receive that sentence now there is
00:28:36
another option that may keep Peter mson behind bars for longer this is a term called safe custody so this would be a
00:28:46
legal alternative which would keep him behind bars indefinitely as long as he is deemed dangerous that he cannot be in
00:28:54
society with anybody else so I don't really want to put an estimate on how long Peter will be in prison I don't
00:29:03
feel comfortable or confident in an answer for that because I don't fully understand their sit their system yeah
00:29:11
okay and but I'm just always going to think it's sad that somebody could take somebody's life and then only spend that
00:29:17
short amount of time in prison I just think that's always going to be ridiculous to me well hopefully in this
00:29:23
situation life will mean life and let so let's talk about this for a minute because where we have a country that
00:29:32
really firmly believes in Rehabilitation let's examine our subject the the person that is now serving life
00:29:39
in prison and we know MH we can't say 100% what this guy did we have a pretty darn good idea all right we've we've
00:29:48
we've nailed it down pretty good I think yeah but even if parts of his story are
00:29:52
true that the initial something initially happened that was you know to cause her death which I
00:30:01
don't believe at all but if let's just say that is true then his warped sick mind decided that it'd be better to cut
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her up and then again type type Hypes around her body parts to try to make him sink yeah nobody believes his story or I
00:30:21
I don't even think people believe parts of his story and the the sentence and the guilty verdict shows that
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so in regards to him and what drove him to this level of Madness yeah was it nature or was it nurture and that's
00:30:37
always been the argument in most of these cases and I think if we for me to give my full opinion on
00:30:44
that I need to tell you a little bit more about Peter Madson um and what we do know about him
00:30:51
we do know that he was raised by an alcoholic abusive father it seems as though though that Peter might not have
00:30:59
been the object of that abuse meaning there were Step Brothers that he had that seemed to receive quite a bit of
00:31:08
abuse as well I'm sorry as where Peter was not abused by this man who was his actual father and we have these
00:31:17
statements by him as well as his family members but the relationship between him
00:31:23
and his father was weird and so was that of him and his mother mhm the mother left his father because of the abuse to
00:31:31
the children to her other three sons and she took her three sons and protected them and they went to live with her she
00:31:37
left Peter with with his father where Peter's father Carl encouraged Peter's fascination with rockets submarines and
00:31:47
balloons even building him a workshop at their home Peter began experimenting with explosives when he was just 6 years
00:31:54
old and by the time he was 15 Peter was devoted exclusively to his projects foregoing his studies and social life
00:32:03
this is when he started his own company Danish Space Academy to which he took to
00:32:08
stating studying engineering now he studied engineering but he quit once he determined that he
00:32:14
already knew enough to build submarines and Rockets and we would see this type of behavior from Peter throughout his
00:32:20
earlier years where he would go into like these apprenticeships for welding Refrigeration engineering things that he
00:32:27
would need to know and learn to further his creation of submarines and Rockets well in every situation he would
00:32:37
determine at some point that he knew more than the mentor that he was learning from I love these guys are
00:32:43
smarter than everybody the smartest guy in the room all the time well eventually
00:32:49
in 2004 Peter and a former NASA contractor founded Copenhagen suborbitals so this was set up so that
00:32:58
they could build submarines and they started this off in a rusty hanger Peter actually moved into the hanger where he
00:33:05
lived and worked on these projects fulltime suborbitals built its first submarine uh the Freya which was a minor
00:33:13
success but then they went on to build this uc3 na Nautilus that we had discussed so
00:33:20
many times right the submarine the privately funded this is basically a a a DIY submarine mhm so we see this company
00:33:30
that he founded have great success in 2004 this is what makes him that local minor celebrity that we talked about but
00:33:39
in 201 Copenhagen suborbitals they launched the heat 1X rocket now this made Peter a
00:33:49
much bigger celebrity Peter became known as Denmark in Denmark as Rocket Madson by all accounts the attention and praise
00:33:58
made Madson even more strange so look the basics of this is Captain this dude he was already a little weird but
00:34:07
this dude quickly became more strange and more weird and not in a good way right so when he had his first success
00:34:15
back in 2004 this is when he also became heavily involved in group sex BDSM and swinger events and he also described
00:34:24
himself at that time as a stist and Auto erotically active whatever that means but in
00:34:33
2014 I'm sorry 2011 with this new success and as stated he's becoming even more strange he's starting to get into
00:34:43
arguments and not getting along with any of his colleagues or business partners the success went to his head he's an
00:34:51
egomaniac okay and he starts alienating himself from his colleagues and he accused his business partner of
00:34:59
prioritizing his family over their work projects so in 2014 when he had a falling out with the
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suborbitals partners they booted him out of the company so in retaliation he started his own competing company rocket
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Madson space lab in a hanger across the pave lot from Copenhagen suborbitals right so in August of 2017 Peter was
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they're competing all right both of them are trying to launch a space rocket at about the same time but Peter's married
00:35:32
at this point right yes he he had an open marriage mhm and I don't know that he spent a whole lot of time with his
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wife right so we have both she was open to not sleeping with him well we have both of these companies competing to be
00:35:48
the first to send their rocket into space MH okay and in 2017 in August leading up to the murder of Ken Wall
00:36:00
Peter starts experiencing some setbacks with his projects so the launch of his new rocket the alpha was planned for
00:36:07
August 26th this was supposed to mean a significant victory for Peter over his Rivals suborbitals but cash flow
00:36:16
problems and other problems stopped the launch suborbitals was also testing a rocket at that same week so a huge
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emotional setback extremely upsetting for Peter an egomaniac and his company appeared to his old company anyway
00:36:34
appeared to be getting the better of him yeah and he's right there to see it well
00:36:38
after this cancellation many people would describe Peter's Behavior as manic and then we have a situation that
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on August 10th the same day that Kim wall gets on the submarine with him earlier that day he's doing an interview
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with a woman named Emma Sullivan who is interviewing him for a documentary she described him as having a quote strange
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energy and during the interview Peter stated that he might be Psychopathic what I'm getting at with
00:37:10
all of this Captain is we see this individual and we've seen this from other individuals that would go on to
00:37:18
commit serial murder we see a guy that obviously has fantasies that involve violence and sex at the same time very
00:37:27
violent sexual acts and this is a these are fantasies that we can trace back as early as 2004 per what is found on his
00:37:38
computer and phone right but let's come on let's just assume that he was having some of these before he started looking
00:37:45
stuff up on that computer and phone well probably something drove him to that but
00:37:49
I I don't need to assume anything cuz we know at the very least 2004 and then we
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have 13 years of this continued behavior of these fantasies building and building
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inside of this guy as well as something else that's occurring during this time his world that he spent so much time to
00:38:09
create it's kind of falling apart and he is obviously unraveling people see this
00:38:16
it starts with him losing the company that he co-founded with another individual right and then it starts then
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it continues with the failure of his new company the only way his new company was
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going to be successful in his mind was if it defeated his old company right and when that came
00:38:36
into into the vision of I'm not going to beat these guys there are things that I
00:38:42
can't get over this is the trigger this is the trigger that they often talk about when we have people that have
00:38:49
violent sexual fantasies that there's something that will trigger them it's it could be a divorce could be a loss of a
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loved one or Breaking Point a breaking point exactly and this I think was his breaking point and what we see here is
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that at some point in August he starts inviting women that he had met kind of randomly you know per chance people that
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wanted to interview him people that he met while he was out walking around or out in public that he barely knew these
00:39:19
people he's inviting these women by themselves on the submarine with him by himself and I think think what we see
00:39:27
here is where Ted Bundy had his Volkswagen uh VW Bug and and we talked about that being as much of a murder
00:39:35
weapon as any of the other weapons that he used to kill these women MH this is the making to me of a serial killer this
00:39:44
is Peter Madson who has already decided that his life is worth a lot more than yours and mine and everybody else is out
00:39:52
there that's cuz he's smarter than everybody his sexual fantasy are that important that they mean more to him
00:39:59
than you me and everybody else out there and if he can get you on his submarine and get you a loan and unfortunately Kim
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wall was a very smart driven person she was on that submarine because of her work because of her passion and it's a
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SI it's a situation of unfortunately she was in the wrong place at the wrong time
00:40:21
well what sucks too is that she talked to him before She interviewed him before earlier that day
00:40:26
and and thought he was acting strange yeah straight up says he's weird pretty much to to her boyfriend and
00:40:33
unfortunately this guy this this monster in the making was casting a net time and
00:40:38
time again and hoping to catch something and he got her alone on that submarine and I tell you what if he if he could
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have got away with this there's no doubt no doubt in my mind 100% he would have attempted to do the same thing time and
00:40:56
time again until he was caught well and because of the stress and because of these different breaking points I also
00:41:02
and also you know people that were saying that he's possibly manic or some level of manic that's probably what got
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him caught and so we should be thankful for that because you know to create these things and go on these Endeavors
00:41:18
you have to be somewhat intelligent and so I think if he was if Peter was in his
00:41:25
right mind and maybe not manic and he knew he could actually plan it out better this is a individual especially
00:41:33
with the tools of having Rockets having submarines that this individual could probably get away with multiple murders
00:41:42
before getting caught and I believe because of his the stress level and His Manic states that that's probably what
00:41:48
led him to getting caught and thank God he wasn't good at murder because like you like you said and like I said he
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would have continued to do this now there are a lot of people law enforcement included that after he was
00:42:01
put away that they started looking at Old cases to say hey was this just one that he really screwed up and we caught
00:42:09
him for has he been doing this before and they couldn't find much of a connection there was one that did uh
00:42:17
that they thought could possibly be connected but it would have been from when he was about 15 or 16 years old my
00:42:25
just thought thoughts my general thoughts here of what I can see on the surface is he didn't do a very good job um with
00:42:35
this one MH and I don't think I don't think he had the ability like you said and that's what got him caught he didn't
00:42:42
have the ability to to cover this up and thank God for that right but his mental
00:42:47
health could have been more intact when he was 15 maybe wasn't having any signs of manic episodes and and could he
00:42:55
possibly do something where he could get away with it for that long I would say possible well my hopes are that when
00:43:04
they give him his first review after 12 years and then again every time he gets a review after that please keep in mind
00:43:12
that had he gotten away with this he would have continued to do this and therefore that makes him that fall into
00:43:19
that quote safe custody category where he is a danger to society and he needs to be kept from Society well and if he
00:43:27
is having manic episodes those don't always go away they can go away so but if he keeps showing signs of that
00:43:35
talking about himself in third person um you know talking about situations where
00:43:41
he was there but as if he's not there I think those are going to be deterrents on letting him
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