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around grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] It is believed that September 2nd Friday
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1977 just after work is the last sighting of Simone ridinger she was 17 years old and she's been missing ever
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since she worked her shift that day at the rainbow restaurant in natic Massachusetts she was supposed to be
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heading out to chapaqua to a cottage that her family owned to join them for the long weekend if not longer for many
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years the rainbow restaurant was believed to be the last place that anyone reported seeing
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Simone but in 1986 a wit came forward who said that no he gave Simone a ride and he had a very different story
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to tell now this man doesn't just walk into the police station and give this information willy-nilly now what
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happened was we talked about yesterday how the Sherborn Police Department over the years continued to go to the media
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to channel the public to get information in Simone's case so what takes place here in 1986 Captain
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is that they had just did a story in the newspaper that came out the day before so this man walks into the police
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department and says I have some information for you right that I actually gave this young woman a
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ride and what prompted him to come into the police department was he's saying look I I didn't I was unaware that this
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was a case that this was something that was of importance until I read the newspaper article
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yesterday in my paper and so I am here to give you some information now what's really
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interesting about this okay so this is a there there's some weird things here yeah let's get into it let's get weird
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yeah we're going to get very weird because what happens here is this this is like a tight rope moment I believe in
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this case so you got to walk this fine line and there are things that could tip you to the side of disbelieving
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everything this man says or tip you to the other side where you fall and then believe that this is true that this
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really took place and this is good information in the case so the short version of it is this witness was an
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elderly man who unfortunately like several other persons that we've discussed in this case is now deceased
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so we can't go back and interview him again but in 1986 he's saying that he was in he came into the police
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department saying that he was in route in 1977 he's in route to go out to the cape he says that he's pulled over near
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or at a rest area right this is on Route 128 in Route 109 in Westwood Massachusetts he believes that he's
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pulled over by a state trooper and the state trooper during the interaction with this elderly
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man says hey I got this girl that's going out to Martha's Vineyard to Cape Cod according to the man this girl was
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in the backseat of the trooper's car and he says look could you give her a ride the rest of the way to which this older
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gentleman says sure no problem so he says that he this girl gets in his car they they talk quite a bit while they're
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traveling together lot of chitchat they they figure out that they're roughly from about the same area they don't know
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each other prior to this ride but this witness says that he drops Simone the person he believes to be Simone riding
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her that he drops her off at hyanis near the airport saying that he last saw her
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walking towards a nearby restaurant uh there were two restaurants in that area at the time one a Howard Johnson's
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and two a ground round both tasty treats the problem here though is Captain this witness's account has not been
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confirmed I got a couple questions though right he's coming forward nine years later it's a long time and so he
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would have been 79 at the time that he came to the police department and he would have been
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70 at the time that he gave this young person a ride if in fact he did right so many questions one did law enforcement
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pick up hitchhikers like I don't I didn't know if that's a thing I mean I know sometimes I've known local police
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officers that have like seen somebody that like walks to work at the at the local Wendy's and they might go hey I'm
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heading that way you want me to give you a ride but for for a State Trooper just to
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pick pick up a hitchhiker she's young and she's attractive so I guess there's a possibility so that's confusing but it's
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also confusing to me why would the trooper put this 17-year-old basically into the care into
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the custody of this elderly man that he's pulling over it just it doesn't make a lot of sense no it it doesn't
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makes sense the the thing here is I know I gave out a couple different uh routes
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and whatnot but but primarily this would be 95 that this man would have been traveling on and what's interesting
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though is again he would have lived only a handful of miles away from where Simone ridinger lived so it's not out of
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the question that he would be traveling in the same direction because we know he's going to roughly the same general
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location that she intends to go to however they're they're not going close enough
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to one another that that that she would ride with him for the entirety she needs
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to get off at some point and go her own way so that makes some sense in what is his purpose for his travels apparently
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he's a has a hobby of working and and restoring clocks yeah and so he was traveling out there to pick up some
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parts some clock parts and said say that you know this I got pulled over and then I wasn't
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looking to pick up a hitchhiker but the officer asked me if I would drive this girl closer to where I was headed and I
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said sure no problem now back to what you're talking about here Captain it's I think it's actually very common not for
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an officer to hand a civilian over to another civilian but I would think that it's rather common that if a police
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officer especially a state Trooper somebody that's primarily working the freeways and the highways in most
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jurisdictions in Most states it's illegal for pedestrians to be walking near the freeways in the highways right
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and so those persons are going to get picked up they're likely not going to get charged with anything depending on
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how nice or not nice your officer is you might get a ticket but I would believe that if she let's pretend that she did
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hit hike and made her way somewhat to her destination right at some point maybe it's it's fair to make the
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assumption that maybe she traveled a distance and got dropped off by another ride that she
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hitched and maybe an officer spotted her walking and says n this can't happen I got to get her off of the the freeway
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here travel some distance gets to talking to this old man and says oh you know she's not done anything wrong maybe
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this old guy didn't really do anything anything wrong hey you're both going the same way he's an old dude maybe he seems
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well enough and good enough maybe I'll I'll hand her off the problem becomes Sherborn police cannot find any record
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of an officer picking up Simone ridinger or picking up a pedestrian cannot find any report of the traffic stop because
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that's the part of his story that what happened to that traffic stop he says he was pulled over he's not
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pulled over to give this girl a ride the officer wouldn't know where this guy's going no he's pulled over for some kind
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of violation now is it hey you know your your tail lights out but hey if you do me a solid and take this girl down the
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road a little bit for me uh we can just forget about it so I want to know what happened to that traffic
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violation the other thing but here's the thing like as unb believable as this story
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seems he gives a description of the person that he tells police now he I don't believe at any time does he ever
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say she told me her name was Simone she told me her name was Simone writing her right I don't think that that's what
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happened when he reports this but the thing that you can that makes it so you cannot completely dismiss this as a
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possibility is the description of the clothes so he gives the descrip deson of the clothes saying that she was wearing
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blue jeans with ripson patches a white T-shirt sneakers and she was carrying a gray duffel bag well what's interesting
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about him giving this description in 1986 the police don't have this description yet forget about the media
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or the public that clothing descriptions not been released to anybody and never was released once they
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get this information from the old man they don't release this description until after talking to those two
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waitresses years later yeah and when new detectives come on this case obviously they'd love to talk to this individual
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because he's the last known person to see her alive so he becomes a suspect in a way but I don't think this guy had any
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criminal history I don't think I mean again a a very simple hobby of he like to work and fix
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clocks but he's not alive but there able to talk to his son and I don't know and
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this is kind of a heads or tails type thing the detective finds it a little suspicious that the the father never
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told the son about this and that is one thing when when I spoke with some of the
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officers that have worked this case over the years one a piece of the puzzle that
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I was unaware of then and still unaware of to this date and so as you said a bit
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of a head scratcher I want to know the details of choosing those words in that statement okay what what exactly does
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that mean does does that mean that father never tells son oh I picked up this girl and and gave her a ride that
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got pulled over by the police and you'll never they asked me to give this girl a
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ride and I dropped her off okay I can get that maybe dad doesn't tell son that right fast forward to 1986
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how in the hell does somebody not tell and maybe maybe they're not close I don't know but I would think that if I
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read a newspaper article on a Tuesday let's say and Wednesday morning I'm in at the police
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station giving a report of something that happened to me nine years prior I think that's something I'm telling
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people well because it's such a abnormal activity yes it's not like oh well you know I went to to the dentist the other
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day it's like or hey I had to go pick up lumber at the lumber yard or I whatever
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this is a I was reading a newspaper report and they started talking about this missing girl that I believe I gave
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a ride to I believe I might be the last person that saw her alive yes so she's been missing for almost 10 years yeah
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you show up for a cup of coffee or church on Sunday bump into an old friend or you're hanging hang out with your son
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now keep in mind he's 79 years old roughly yeah in 1986 so his son's a grown man but yeah
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you when there's no way that you're going hey what you been up to lately oh you don't go same old same old after
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you've had that experience you go no I read a newspaper article of a missing person who they believe has been likely
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murdered I fig figured out that day that I might have been a witness to something
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or have important information in this case from N9 years ago and I was sitting at the police station telling them
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everything I knew the following day yeah and I think we both agree it makes more sense for him to
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tell his son but we don't know their relationship we don't even know the frequency in which they talk to each
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other I have some friends that think it's crazy that I talk to my father once a week and and a lot of some of my
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friends that live in a different state than their parents they're like well I don't speak to my parents but every 3
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months so I could see well it's time to call the parents and uh and this conversation doesn't come
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up you know so it's uh because it and what I mean by that is if if he read that news report went into the police
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department the next time he talked to his son was 3 months later well maybe it's not something you bring up so here
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here's some things that I wanted to figure out because this situation throws a big fat monkey wrench
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into the whole investigation so if this guy yeah it either means one of two things in my opinion this story either
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makes him possibly the last well as the story is today he would then become the last
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identifiable witness to Simone being alive and well or he's in the other category the
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suspect category my problem with the story is one the details of what she was wearing and the duffel bag which was
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never released so that points to the direction of go okay well this story's true but my
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big problem is because this story is out and then the story of Simone has already
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been out for a while why wouldn't this Trooper come forward and go yeah I actually picked her up I
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didn't know her name was Simone or I didn't remember her name was Simone and I had her take a ride with this elderly
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man yeah I'm I'm with you on that and I think part of the again I think that goes back to the early complications of
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the case she not officially reported missing until 9 days later did did did that Trooper did that story not reach
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him did did he never see a be on the lookout for this missing person well that's the one of the things that I
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think is the biggest problem like you said there's four locations that we have to look into
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in this case but the biggest thing this makes location number five potentially right right right five or six because
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you have the the Rest Stop Plus where he dropped her off at is a different location that's not where she' get the
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ferry at right it from my understanding it's not terribly far and that that inlies a whole another set of questions
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that we haven't even got to yet I I think the big thing though is from her work to Cape Cod that 70 miles that's
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the problem because we know like in our town in our city Columbus Ohio you bring up Tyler
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Davis most people know who you're talking about missing person from Easton you bring up Brian Schaefer all the
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medical student that missing from Ohio State campus you go about an hour away they've never heard of the case so I
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think that 70 mile distance between the restaurant and Cape Cod that becomes a huge issue on why this case isn't
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solved well well so here's some other problems right this the reports of of the clothing I mean he couldn't have made
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that up I yeah you know what I mean doesn't mean that it's Simone but the he couldn't have read the
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prior newspaper reports and gave this description be because you know this is not information that was publicly public
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knowledge at the time in fact he's the first one reporting that she's wearing something different and you have to
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wonder keep in mind they've still not interviewed any of the waitresses at this time this information after
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speaking to him does not go out to the public either so when you interview these waitresses years and years later
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and they're giving a different description of clothing than what was always reported and now it matches what
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this old dude told you in 1986 yeah that one really causes some alarm bells to go
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off but two he wouldn't have got this information from anywhere else now look Sherborn
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police they've done their due diligence on this they went to the state police to
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the state troopers and they tried to track down any reports that would lead them to they're trying to verify this
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story is this story truth or a lie because if he's if he's lying then why is he lying right is he just some seni
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old man some people do like to get involved in a case is he some weirdo that just wants to be in a case or is he
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injecting himself into the investigation because he has some kind of involvement
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in this disappearance just to put out some information that people might be wondering her social security has never
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been used and then there's been no activity on her bank account no deposit no withdrawal no check writing
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yeah that all stopped her social security number being used or the the bank account activity all stops
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1977 so not been used since then but the the other curious parts of his story he tells police
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that he picked when he picked the girl up that he believed is Simone riding her he picks her up
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September 3rd about 6 or 6:30 in the morning well we've we have all these reps now that she had left work by 400
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p.m. right we now have 14 hours unaccounted for what again I I am having a hard time
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figuring out the discrepancies between Friday evening and Saturday morning or arriving on
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Saturday uh the son did confirm that his father was into CL and did a lot of work
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on clocks so that part of the story seems to be true Sherborn police did their due diligence and even went beyond
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the scope of just the state troopers and thought well maybe it was a smaller agency a more local agency to that area
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and they checked and tried to find reports nothing that they could find that back up the story from 1977 doesn't
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mean that it wouldn't have happened doesn't mean that the state trooper didn't fill out a report doesn't mean
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that the state trooper ever had any awareness that person that looked like this went missing yeah and just this
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statement real quick you know I was watching True Detective again season one great show and they were talking about
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what type of detective you know Russ is and what type of detective he is and I would think if I if I was a detective
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I'd probably be old school yellow legal pads but nowadays you have to take that those notes and then put them into the
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system and inste 77 we didn't have a system like that so how much information how many leads have been lost throughout
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the years of detectives that looked into this case and kept their own notes and never put them into the system also just
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like this nowadays when cops are making traffic stops or Troopers are making traffic stops they're putting all this
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into a computer system right away I mean even once they're able to say at this time
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this officer looked up this person's license plate number we don't have that information and that's another
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frustrating thing about this case I'm hoping that they were able to check like other Labor Day
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weekend years maybe the year before the year after could this old guy just have picked somebody else up and he is
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telling the truth but it wasn't Simone uh the thing that's interesting to me though and scary okay so there's
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again it's it's the tight rope the thing that's interesting to me that I think is
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fair I believe that probably a 70-year-old man would would take would recognize the ripped up and
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patched up jeans as maybe something unique especially if he's somebody that's not
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giving rides to persons often or maybe even ever maybe this is the only time he's ever done that the other thing
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that's scary to me is if he's not an ie an eyewitness and he falls into the other
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category is the the recall of what she was wearing nine years later right I was here in the garage studio
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with you seven days ago for hours yesterday for hour hours I could not tell you what you were
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wearing last week nothing when I saw you I was wearing nothing well that would have stood out quite a bit the the G the
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the person's name is Henry C and I'll spell his last name t i e WS so he like we said he has since
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passed away and well here's here's a thing and not to interrupt you but we have these descriptions and the
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problem is they're loose descriptions of this jewelry we weren't able to interview
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this eyewitness quote unquote eyewitness but we're able to talk to his son it'd be interesting to talk to his
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son and go you ever see any of these items because I could see some of the like maybe these uh the spoon bracelets
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or this uh uh silver necklace with some turquoise on it I could see that being taken as a trophy well the other problem
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that this air quotes witness PR presents is the suspects so police have suspicions
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of what may have happened to Simone and most of that all involves something very
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near where she worked and lived if this guy's story is true and it was Simone that he drove for some distance that day
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and if he dropped her off as he said he did well then that takes Simone out of the area
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and now those suspicions don't hold water so this that I I feel like this guy when we say throws a monkey wrench
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into this investigation I think big time because you sit here and you go okay we're now tasked with some kind of
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problem yes we can have our investigation and continue as we as we are but then we always have this little
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nagging thing over here about this guy who may have given her a ride that takes away from all of our the other things
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that we found in our investigation which are all things very close to where she lived and
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cheers to you Colonel so if this case is going to stay at the local level we talked about the old man taking the case
00:32:25
further away from from the local jurisdiction but even well beyond that we have some efforts that have been made
00:32:34
a good deal of efforts that have been made and you can see this based off of the namus website the national missing
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and unidentified person system so go to nam.com if you want to find some people that have been either unidentified or
00:32:50
persons that are listed as missing so on namus what we learned from there Captain
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is that we have about 30 two or so exclusions these are unidentified remains that were found in jurisdictions
00:33:05
far and wide some even as far away as California or Florida or Ohio where we are and says you know hey I got somebody
00:33:14
that vaguely fits the description of your missing person we need to do a little comparison here and they've done
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comparisons and have about 32 or so exclusions in that well that's what's great is law
00:33:29
enforcement has Simone's DNA so they can at least test it unfortunately remains well they've been using dental records
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to make these exclusions so unfortunately they don't have a full DNA profile for Simone but that I've been
00:33:46
told is in the works that they're working to get that full DNA profile and they hope and think that they will have
00:33:55
that on file here soon which that will be the most definitive way for one to make these exclusions going forward
00:34:05
right and so it's good though to hear that these other jurisdictions are aware and are calling and making contact with
00:34:14
the current investigators in Simone's case as far as suspects go well we already talked about the elderly man he
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he can only fall into one of three categories identifiable witness suspect or his story is true but
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it's just a misidentification on his part it wasn't Simone he picked somebody else up either on that day or even at
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another date entirely but there were there and still remain some other suspects in this case
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now we want to focus in on potential relation ships so there was a relationship that Simone was having
00:35:01
with an older man at the time of her disappearance this man has been looked at and actually was cleared very early
00:35:11
on in this investigation and he's cleared because well frankly it would be impossible for
00:35:20
him to have direct involvement in her disappearance as he was locked up at the time right
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and this is interesting too because Simone would go and visit him at the corrections facility again from my
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understanding The Limited information I know or been told about this relationship is that it was kind of an
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on again off again relationship I don't know this individual's name I do know that he was older than Simone but one
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thing that I do know for certain is that when she would go to visit him this is stuff that had to be pre-arranged you
00:36:00
would have to make arrangements well in advance to be granted access to see one another to have this
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interaction and the reports are that she was had made arrangements to visit him on the
00:36:15
17th of September she's last seen at work on the 2nd of September the elderly man says he picks her up gave her a ride
00:36:22
on the 3rd of September we know Mom believed that she was going to arrive by the 3rd of September never did she's
00:36:29
reported missing on the 11th now we're all the way out to the 17th of September 1977 the
00:36:36
police who are now looking for Simone catch wind of this arranged appointment to go see this man at the correction
00:36:45
facility one they're going to want to talk to him anyway but two they really just want to find Simone and I think
00:36:52
everybody's working and should be working under the premise that she's probably alive and just outdoing her
00:36:59
thing or or maybe she ran off somewhere whatever this is still early on in the investigation they go to the correction
00:37:06
facility on that day on the day that the we have the appointment arranged for hoping to see Simone there they don't
00:37:13
see Simone there obviously they interview this guy there that's when they get the records they do all their
00:37:18
checking and find out that nope on the second and the third he was still where he is today in this Corrections Facility
00:37:25
so we have the elderly man quote unquote eyewitness that gave her a ride we have
00:37:32
the boyfriend but he's locked up do we have other suspects in this case we do so there is a person that is regarded as
00:37:41
a creepy regular at the restaurant he is somebody that police are interested in he's not going
00:37:51
to be the only person that they're interested in he this was a restaurant that was frequented by by a lot of the
00:37:57
locals there and they stayed pretty busy but there's some information from other
00:38:03
persons that worked there that have created an interest in this individual I don't know much about this individual
00:38:11
but what we do know about another individual is there is a man named Daniel Newbert Newbert and I'm going to steal
00:38:21
two paragraphs directly from a news article that says another question is a reference to a Daniel Newbert Newbert
00:38:28
sent the family Simone's family pictures of Simone around the time of her disappearance what's really interesting
00:38:35
about these photos for a couple for a multitude of reasons Captain but first is some of these photos were ones that
00:38:43
were used in many of the missing persons Flyers early on and in fact I believe that a couple of these photos are still
00:38:51
being used to this day maybe even in the the viap alert report that we get from the
00:38:57
FBI so these pictures were used on many of the missing person Flyers the article
00:39:02
goes on to State Police talk to Newbert who said he once gave ridinger a ride and asked if he could take photos of her
00:39:11
Daniel Newbert gave the negatives to the police they also investigated another man who was allegedly into the quote
00:39:20
drug scene end quote and trying to court Simone ridinger so there's two individuals right there that are still
00:39:31
of interest to investigators in this case and these both of these individuals would be local they would be townies
00:39:41
they would be local I don't know if the creepy restaurant Patron is one of these guys that we just
00:39:51
discussed you know do we have three guys of Interest or two that part to to me is
00:39:57
unclear now one thing that is of Interest too is a similar case that took place I believe this yes this was
00:40:07
1985 so Simone goes missing in 1977 the old man comes forward in 1986 after he reads a newspaper article the
00:40:16
day before but when that all of this is going on in the middle of all this we have this case from 1985 and this is
00:40:25
from channel 22 News wwlp.com working for you for 70 years is what they tell us uh thank you for
00:40:35
working for us at WWLP but so their article tunes of flowing Steve neelen uh wrote this article and the the title is
00:40:45
detective seeking closure for family of woman killed in 1985 and it reads Janine
00:40:52
Callahan was following her morning routine the the 24-year-old left her natic Massachusetts home to walk to work
00:41:01
at the now closed Zar store I don't know what a zar store but she never made it to work
00:41:09
that's the key here and this was November 9th 1985 and they said that a month later
00:41:16
her remains were found at the end of a dirt road now known as Cherry Farm quote she was naked with nothing but a pair of
00:41:25
gym socks on end quote she was covered with a discarded Christmas tree the medical examiner was unable to determine
00:41:34
the cause of death there was too much trauma to the body the investigation has been ongoing now for all of these
00:41:43
years they believe this investigator that's quoted a couple times in this article says that he believes that the
00:41:50
perpetrator would have likely lived near this Cherry Farm Road where she was eventually found uh to generate new
00:41:58
leads in the case the investigation uh added her to a deck of playing cards we've seen that in several States over
00:42:05
the years and they're just hoping to interview some people and get some more information in this case and this
00:42:12
detective is saying that they believe that it's still a solvable case her case has been linked we're not saying it's
00:42:19
absolutely connected to Simone Ringer's case the detectives aren't saying that either they're just saying simply look
00:42:27
the two worked so this individual Callahan Janine Callahan she lived and worked in
00:42:34
natic Simone worked in NAIC and lived nearby in Framingham the weird thing about their
00:42:42
lives is up to the time that they disappear they're both doing similar things in their Liv
00:42:51
so they both moved into new apartments relatively short period before they went missing again Simone
00:42:58
and Framingham and Janine in NAIC but not far from one another regardless if these cases are connected at all what we
00:43:08
need here is both of these cases to get solved so anyone with any information that can help police in Janine
00:43:15
Callahan's murder investigation or any other cold cases for that fact in the state is asked to
00:43:22
call 1877 r i Sal and so these cases are linked simply by the natic Massachusetts location well like I said
00:43:37
yesterday because I'm a Guinness not a genius a Guinness I think this is a really good
00:43:45
strategy as far as cold cases are concerned come out and say this is the information that we have this is what we
00:43:54
know for certain and here's the questions that we have as far as law enforcement goes because I think that
00:44:01
would really start sparking people's interest and also like I think with so many online sleuther when you hear these
00:44:15
questions I think some of these sluther would go maybe I can find that answer to this question and so one of
00:44:23
the questions then becomes what hasn't law enforcement done what paths could we possibly take in this
00:44:30
case to solve it to get some resolve yeah the thing here is these are only leads that are not
00:44:39
followed up on for the most part because they're not leads that that's not information that
00:44:46
ever made its way to law enforcement so that's why they're telling you this is what we know this is what we would like
00:44:51
to know in Simone's case we need some leads give give us some information that's going to give us a new lead to
00:44:58
follow up on and that's why I think it's so incredible and important that people
00:45:04
keep their earballs completely open when we say that the Sherborn Police Department is
00:45:10
saying they're not asking for information in her disappearance they're not asking for information in her murder
00:45:16
they're not simply asking for information about a potential suspect they're asking for any and all
00:45:22
information regarding Simone right we need to learn more about her life we need to learn more about what she was up
00:45:30
to and that's why I circle around this apartment idea that was the newest thing in her life at that time that's a big
00:45:40
moment in one's life to move out of mom and dad's house and get their own apartment and she was only there for
00:45:47
about two months or so prior to her disappearance what happened that night what happened September member 2nd to
00:45:56
September 3rd why do we have that discrepancy in this timeline of making her way out to visit
00:46:04
mom and chill with Mom for a long weekend at the cottage the other thing too is as the
00:46:12
story always goes Simone was 17 when she was last seen on September 2nd 1977 leaving from
00:46:19
the former rainbow restaurant in NAC Massachusetts after her shift she planned to hit chike to Cape Cod to
00:46:27
catch a fairy to marth's Vineyard to meet up with her parents okay what fairy there's multiple fairies that run out of
00:46:37
there and all of the old newspaper reports they reference Woods Hole that that would be
00:46:46
where she was going to go to pick up the ferry to get to her final destination which we've always been told that the
00:46:53
Final Destination was chapaqua and the chap atic area is where the cottage is located okay there's two fairies that
00:47:03
run out of Woods Hole so that's a certainly a possibility right the problem is that that is not
00:47:12
neither of those Fairies get her the closest to chap atic there's another ferry that runs out
00:47:21
of a completely different area that would get her much closer to her final destination so why isn't that location
00:47:30
ever referenced as where she was headed there's just a lot missing from this story there's a lot of information
00:47:39
that's missing from this case and that is why police are asking anyone with any information at all to get
00:47:49
involved if you knew that she hated gym class give him a call right if you believe that you lived in that apartment
00:47:58
building with her for any period of time give him a call yeah did you know about
00:48:04
did you work with her were you friends with her and knew that she had a crush on
00:48:08
somebody give them a call and as far as I'm concerned the way that this case gets
00:48:16
solved first off you have the obvious if we can find her remains that's going to set up a whole
00:48:25
different set of circumstances for this investigation there will be evidence other evidence that will come along with
00:48:32
that finding that will generate new leads for the investigators in this case the other thing too is I keep going back
00:48:40
to this apartment man I can't shake it that police seem to know damn near nothing about this apartment other than
00:48:49
the address is 2 29 Linden Street Framingham that's the address that I was given is there any solid paperwork or
00:48:58
anything that backs up that that was the actual apartment was was there was she an apartment A or B or or
00:49:06
101 was there an apartment number that's supposed to accompany this address the thing the reason why I keep
00:49:13
going back to that Captain is a couple of things cuz you're nuts a rent was due at some point uhhuh
00:49:23
and when rent wasn't collected who do we call we know Mom helped her find the apartment when she goes missing did
00:49:33
anybody ever go to the apartment and collect all of her belongings she goes missing we're we're
00:49:41
told time and time again she's last seen September 2nd did she pay September's rent before
00:49:49
leaving when was that due was it first month last month situation anytime there's money involved there's usually
00:49:55
usually some kind of Trail some kind of paper trail here there seems to be no Trail Trails the trail is
00:50:05
non-existent there should be some more information regarding this apartment and I cannot help but believe that because
00:50:14
there's so many questions that start at Ground Zero which is her apartment and her work
00:50:21
that this has got to be something very local very local here and here we are in the garage with
00:50:31
yet another case just hoping and praying that with some information that we've been able to throw out and a lot of
00:50:37
speculation that we've been able to throw out that it generates more interest in this case and
00:50:42
could potentially generate some tips again if you know anything at all in this case if you know anything at all
00:50:50
about Simone ridinger please we encourage everybody with information to call the Sherborn Police
00:50:58
Department their phone number is 508 653 2424 and we will include that phone number in today's show
00:51:22
notes I want to thank everybody for joining us here in the garage and sharing these cases on social media
00:51:29
Colonel do we have any recommended reading this week Captain we are recommending catch the sparrow a search
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for a sister in the truth of her Murder by Rachel rear catch the sparrow is the gripping story of a young woman's murder
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unsolved for over two decades brilliantly investigated and reconstructed by her stepsister growing
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00:51:56
an abusive relationship on Martha's Vineyard and made a new start for herself near Rochester New York and then
00:52:03
one morning she was gone check out catch the sparrow you can find that great title and many more other
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