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and he was last seen playing with a dog near his home in the afternoon hours of December 1st
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1992 his mother Jackie was inside preparing a meal for the boy when she went to call him in Dany was nowhere to
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be found eventually she called the police and the search for Dany began after the case went cold about a year
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into the investigation the FBI joined forces with the local detective we have been talking with special agent Jeffrey
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rck a 30-year FBI agent who assisted in the search for Danny howenstein and as you guys are doing your investigation
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you're actually going to get a tip or a lead from Danny's sister Shannon I learned from the FBI the FBI was doing
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training and because I was working these cases I was being sent for inservice training and I was learning about the
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profiling stuff although I was not a profiler at this time one thing that the FBI drove home to us was that a lot of
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times a person may have knowledge and not be aware of that knowledge especially a family
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member so Vern and I were constantly telling Jackie Enchanted to think of anything and to
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add some I'm a practical joker I love humor I live on humor and I I I I you know you I'm sure can edit this out but
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I said to Shannon Shannon if you have a fart that comes out the wrong cheek you call us about it we want to know what
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happened right and sure enough at some point she called me and she said that her mother had a
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friend and her friend had a son who was um charged or or associated with assaults on children
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and she wondered if her mother's friend's son would have any uh meaning to Danny's
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disappearance and so Vern and I we started working this up I couldn't find the kid at all he was a kid too he was
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he was uh in California the governor I forget the govern's name but at one point in
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California before I got here I think it was like in 19 early 199 90s the California uh Governor enacted something
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that caused a lot of people in the mental institutions to be released this boy that Shannon was talking about was
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one of those people he had been in a menal institution and then he was released and because he was a minor his
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records were sealed and I could not even identify a record that indicated he was
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alive Vern on the other hand through his contacts and through his work and because he is so amazingly good he found
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him he found the boy and we didn't use his name in the book because he wasn't charged so um I forget what name we used
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for him in the book but Vern found him Jonathan and we started working up Jonathan I started working up Jonathan
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from my angle he started working up Jonathan from his angle and what we learned is that Jonathan MH had
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recently been taken into custody because he had assaulted a six-year-old boy on a
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school bus and there was a time before that where Jonathan had assaulted a young six or seveny old boy near some
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dumpsters in the apartments where he lived and so we were very interested and Vern and I both uh uh MH we realized
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that Jonathan was in one of the state facilities for developmentally delayed children and so we started making
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inquiries and Nick it was unbelievable we could not get any information even in a situation like this where it was we
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had a six-year-old boy missing the the state would give us nothing so ver and I we found one of the workers an
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investigator and we we both went there personally and just begged for help and this investigator helped us and we
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learned that Jonathan had an extensive history of this and that Jonathan was currently in
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the state hospital he was originally at and she arranged for us to go down and meet him and talk to him and at the time
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he was 17 I mean doesn't this feel like a god him moment God him well and the interesting thing about this information
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that comes to special agent rck they're actually years into the investigation Danny has been missing for years by this
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point by the time they tracked down Jonathan who's now 17 years old living in a state hospital but the other
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interesting angle about this information not only does Jonathan have a history of
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assaulting other children and children younger than him MH Jonathan lived with his mother Diana around the time that
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Dany went missing right and the two of them lived near somewhat near Dany and dany's mother Jackie right and just when
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you hear them talk about how he attacked the six-year-old boy that lived by him by a dumpster you go well is this the
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same thing it's not too far of a leap from what possibly could have happened happed regarding Dany in his situation
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Danny would have been about the same age as these other two boys that were assaulted by this this older boy so you
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and your partner now have contact and now you're going to go to the mental institution to question him and we
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invited his doctor to stay in the interview with us because we felt uh if he said something to the
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doctor there wouldn't be an expectation of privilege since we were there we sat with him and started talking to him and
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he said he knew Dany and he was talking about Dany the Dany that he knew and Vern had a picture of
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Dany that was taken in a group before Danny had the scabies and so he had long hair and he showed that picture to
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Jonathan and Jonathan said oh that's Danny and that's the way he looks now wow that's strange now I could not have
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picked Danny out from that picture and Vern got real red-faced because at the time Danny disappeared or or I'm sorry
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before Danny disappeared he would have had the long hair and that's exactly how he would have looked so we
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started concentrating on Jonathan and we took a statement from Jonathan and Jonathan told told
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us that he and his mother knew Dany and went to Danny's house frequently and then he would play with Dany in Danny's
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room where Dany had a video game and this is all accurate and Vern knew to a greater degree than I did because he had
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drilled down to the details and the two of us you could just feel a ball of electricity in in your
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stomach start to rise and he says that they were driving past Danny's house one day which would
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have been the day disappeared and they saw Dany in front of his house and they stopped and picked him up and Dany went
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with him and then they went to a park and at the park Danny had to go to the bathroom and Jonathan said he went with
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him and he hurt Danny we believe that he's telling us that he Ed him and might have you know
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killed him so this is just it's just unbelievable what's going on at the time this is
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happening I'm in my mid-40s and Vern is about 20 years older than me he's about 65 and we finished our interview with
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Jonathan and we decided to head right up back to Melia from down near La where we
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were and I remember the two of us I mean between the excitement and the exhaustion we eventually had to stop and
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we got a room and slept for a few hours and then continued back up to Melia we found Jackie and asked Jackie
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about this boy's mother and Jackie knew the mother but said she had never met the boy and so we asked her to explain
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to us how he knew the layout so well and of course she couldn't and then we talked to Danny's sister and
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Danny's sister explained to us that you know the mom may not want to talk about it if she realizes what might have
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happened and then we found Jonathan's mother and we ended up polygraphing Jonathan's mother and of course she did
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not do too well the statement that Jonathan had given us could not be used because he
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had a very low IQ he was not not aware of good and bad he did not know that what he might have done to Denny was bad
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and we didn't even know if we could rely on what he said because he had such a low level of
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intellect so I remember I called back to the FBI's uh Behavioral Science unit and
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I asked them for guidance a guy named Roy Hazelwood said to me that you just have to keep going back and
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eventually there will be consistencies that you can pick out Vernon and I ended up going back about eight or nine times
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and and just like we were told there were consistencies another thing that we learned was we were able to talk to the
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people at the facility and learn about the relationship between Jonathan and his mother Jonathan at six years of age
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had been sexually assaulted by a boyfriend of his mother and since that time he started acting out sexually and
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he was acting out with other boys and men sexually so his mother in the hope of bringing Jonathan back to being the
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way he should be started having a sexual relationship with Jonathan so Jonathan and his mother start engaging in a
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regular behavior of having sex well this is where the story gets pretty Twisted yeah so just just a quick recap
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for myself here so I know that uh where we're where we're at in this stage Danny
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goes missing six years old missing for a few years before this lead from Danny's
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older sister Shannon Falls to agent rck and his partner Vern Kelch they follow up on on this lead
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they've had other good leads leads that they thought were good and they follow up on this lead even tracking down this
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boy where it's almost impossible to track him down because the state won't provide any information regarding this
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kid cuz he's only 17 by this point right but when they get in contact with him they get a confession pretty quickly
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very quickly yes he's he's pretty much honest and after seeing a picture or two of Dany the weird statement is this is
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how Danny looks now now coming from Jonathan and then you also find out that to dig a Little Deeper that this boy
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himself now at the age of 17 he's causing problems and has been for years but he initially is a victim himself of
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molestation well he has low IQ and then you have to you know is he saying is this this this is what he looks like now
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and is that just because he's mixing up present tense and past tense you know what I mean like is it something where
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it's like well this is what he looks like now or did he mean that's what he looked like back then uh because like
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like they said he has a pretty low IQ it might also be some indication of his comprehension of what is has actually
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taken place right but but then the fact that we you know we have these detectives
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that interview the mother she does bad on the polygraph test now you start wondering did her son do something bad
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and is she covering up for her son the other thing that I want to point out here and this is not super clear in our
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interview portion but when Jonathan the boy at the hospital states that he had gone to
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dany's home and played a game a video game with Dany in his room because you have these situations
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where when you have have investigators interviewing someone especially in this particular situation you wonder could
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they be feeding information could there could this be a bad interview could this
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be a bad confession maybe this kid doesn't fully comprehend the questions he's being asked well and it's sad too
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because with Danny's mother she doesn't even know how this other boy would know anything about their house but we also
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know that she's very neglectful of her on I mean to the point where yes I mean when you have to shave your kid's head
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to try to get the you know some kind of healthy hygiene system going because you neglected him so bad that's pretty
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awful yeah the but this is a little bit of Truth and information I believe in what Jonathan's statement is to the FBI
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and to the local detective when he says that he had been in Don Danny's home and
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played a video game with Danny in his room that's interesting to me because that's something that only someone who
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had actually been there would know that was one of the things that the investigators knew about Dany that he he
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had very little in the way of possessions as we stated he was neglected but one of the things that he
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held dear was he had like a Nintendo video game right and that was in his room and that was something that he
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probably spent a lot of time playing at night when his mother was not around right it's kind of his babysitter this
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is your breadcrumb if you the investigator to know that hey there's there might be some truth in what this
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young man Jonathan who's only 17 is telling us we learned that Jonathan and his mother would go to the bathroom
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together and they were caught several times having sex and so this just all it was almost all too much but at the same
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time um we felt like we had something we could work with that we could try and work up as what
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happened to Danny in the process of talking to him Jonathan described that after he hurt Dany in the
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bathroom his mother came in and checked Dany and said Danny was not alive anymore and they took Danny's body back
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to his mother's car and they tried to find a place to leave Dany and and J Jonathan said to leave Dany to
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sleep he said that uh one of the times they were doing this they ran into other people who had flashlights who were
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calling out to them well ver went back and reviewed the search and rescue records and found that at one of the
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points in the search a couple of the uh rescue workers Came Upon a strange vehicle in the woods and when they
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called out to the occupants the people got back in the car and drove away and this was right in the area of where they
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mother lived and we went there and we went there we found in the backyard there was what could be best described
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as a shrine and in the shrine which was to a little boy there were keys in a plate nothing but our guts which isn't
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enough we learned from the shrine and from talking to Jonathan that Danny's body was placed in
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that c and this was the time when there was the explosion of forensic science and they were doing mitochondrial DNA
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and trace evidence and we the FBI had just started up these evidence teams called evidence
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response teams and we got the sac Al evidence response team we found the car that had belonged to Jonathan's mother
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and we took the evidence or we went um a guy from our office our Fleet guy named
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Ralph Lux he went and we got a search warrant for the car and we took the car and we took the car back to our
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Sacramento office and there our evidence response team went through the car they
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recovered all the trace evidence from the trunk and backseat and all that there was nothing that would flag this
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as a big development and they sent the uh trace evidence into the FBI laboratory and they were working on it I
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was in contact with them and then in 1998 hikers in the area of where Danny had disappeared Came Upon a
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skull and the skull taken to the um California State University Chico that had an
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unbelievable forensic anthropology department and they had developed special software that let them
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superimpose the skull onto a picture of Danny and it fit so we began to think that this was Danny's
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skull I was in touch with the FBI laboratory the DNA with a uh his name was uh Jonathan Jeb Stewart and he was
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working Mel condal DNA and I was trying to get him to look for DNA in the trace evidence recovered from the car the FBI
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lab was really busy at the time and they they didn't have enough time or resources to go through every little
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thing that was found so he said I sent him a picture of Danny and he picked out a few of the hair s that could be
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construed or could be considered as part of Danny and he did mitochondrial DNA examinations on that the mitochondrial
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DNA unlike nuclear DNA that's a DNA we get from our mother and it won't give us a unique person identification like you
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can't sit there on the stand and say oh this DNA matched this person and therefore it's him it tells you that the
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person you have is an offspring of a certain woman and and so the best we could do was to say that the trace
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evidence recovered from the cart belonged to the person who was an offspring of a woman and the they did
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the M mitochondrial DNA testing on the hairs and because Danny's remains were being recovered they they had a leg bone
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that they can compare it to and I remember I got a call one day from Jeb and he says um it's the same
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mitochondrial DNA between the hair the leg bone and Jackie and I'm telling you this Nick now
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I mean I feel myself welling up I couldn't believe it and then uh I I thanked them and then I hung up
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and I tried to compose myself and I called ver and um I said Vern are you sitting
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down and he you know he's like yeah I'm sitting down I said ver burn I just got a call from the lab and they said that
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the mitochondrial DNA from the leg bone that was recovered and the hair that was in the
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car comes from Jackie and since we knew where Jackie's other Offspring were we could say that
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it was Danny and I said Vern it's him and um just like I'm about to do with you he started um not being able to talk
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and he I heard a lot of sighing and he said look I'll call you back in a few minutes and he hung up and I think the
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two of us were each sitting at each phone crying and then he called me back and um you know we just we just we just
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tried to accept the reality that we' found them and we found out what happened to him of course the next step
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would be to prosecute Jonathan for what he had done and his mother but the reality was Jonathan believed that when
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he left Danny in the woods he left him sleeping he did not know the concept of death versus life and he didn't know the
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concept of good and bad so he couldn't even understand what he had done and this meant that he would never be
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competent to stand trial and because Jonathan's mother was an accessory the statute on that had
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expired already so uh Jonathan was never prosecuted but the prosecutor sits with the files in
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his office and if they ever decide in California to let these people out of the the Mental Hospitals again then
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they'll prosecute uh Jonathan for what he did well some of the things that I find interesting regarding the
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interaction between you and Jonathan and in his statements during the course of your interview process is that he's able
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to accurately describe a few things that you have to believe that only the person
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possibly responsible for his disappearance would be able to describe and part of that is the shirt that Dany
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was wearing on the day that he went missing he also references a Nintendo game inside of Danny's home he also
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accurately states that Dany had two different hairstyles two different haircuts longer hair and then the buzz
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cut at the time of The Disappearance what was the importance of the scabies that we discussed earlier regarding this
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case well the important role of Scabies was that at the time Danny disappeared he had this shaven head
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Jonathan said to us and I I probably left this out that when he looked at the picture he said that was the way Dany
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used to look but not the way Danny looks now and and I don't think I explained that well because uh but that was the
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importance of the scabies was to give us the ability to know that he had seen Danny in two different um postures of
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appearance and on top of Dan Danny having scabies that it was believ that Jonathan
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also had scabies around that time that Danny went missing yes there was a strong indication that Jonathan also had
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scabies and we believe that was related but it's one of those things Nick where you have to take what you can hold best
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first and everything else comes afterward and the scabies yes is a very important thing but we could not prove
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that Jonathan had had scabies when Danny disappeared now Jonathan and of course that's a a
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madeup name a fake name um for a real person but yes to your knowledge he's still he's not out walking around on the
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streets no no and what was the aftermath for this murder investigation um with Jackie and with Danny's Family this is
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when we get an answer like this [Music] it was frustrating for the family because uh Jonathan could not be
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prosecuted and there could not be an actual event or series of events in time that would
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acknowledge the information that we had learned and be able to say that Jonathan
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was the person who who had done this with the assistance of his mother but with all victims families and
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Jackie was no different they do love the ones that are missing and Jackie and Shannon and
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Brandon the brother they wanted to have a memorial for Dany they wanted to acknowledge his
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existence believe it or not because of the life Danny had lived he there was no pictures of Danny the only picture we
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had of him was a picture of him at the dentist's office with that you know how they put that apron around your neck
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with the chain and so I got a hold of that picture and I took it to our photo guys at the FBI and I asked them if they
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could crop out anything that would reveal the dentist office and just give us the best picture they could and my
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intent was to take that picture and and for Vern and I to have it framed and for ver and I to put a little
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uh plaque at the bottom of the picture saying that um this was for you know Shannon from Vern and Jeff or this is
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from for Brandon from Vernon Jeff and uh when the FBI found out what I was doing
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they actually picked up the cost of it and our photo guys took you know did what they did and uh and was our way of
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marking it there's a a wonderful newspaper article where Vern and I are at Danny's Memorial and Shannon you know
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hugs each one of us calls us up and acknowledges us to the crowd to the people that had come and then um Danny
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is buried Jackie died right around that time of uh you know her her lifestyle caused a premature death and so Jackie
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and Danny are buried side or not they're they're encased side by side in a mosum
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and uh ironically that Mum is right in the area where this campfire happened so when things settled down I I want to
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drive up there and see if it's intact now did you become a profiler later in your career I did yes I uh I did and I'm
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very proud of that could you take us through the process of becoming a profiler what that ENT
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and what training is involved in that oh yeah absolutely let me start off by saying that right now the profilers at
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the FBI uh they're in a unit called the national center for the analysis of violent crime it that's what what it's
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known as now and I've been retired now for 12 years so that's that's what it was when I retired um it used to be the
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behavioral analysis unit it used to be called the um child abduction serial killer unit
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casu um it's gone through different names but the beginning of the profiling started with John Douglas and his
00:36:13
peers working at the FBI and they worked on the theory that if they went around interviewing serial killers or serial
00:36:25
rapists or these people that are committ crimes that they might be able to identify certain things about them that
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would help uh identify other Killers so in TV now your listeners probably see well they bring
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in the profilers and the Criminal Minds and all that criminal profiling does not
00:36:47
give you the person who did the crime it it gives you the potential personal picture of that
00:36:58
person so it's it's and it's based on in my opinion and this is my opinion it's based on statistics as an example uh one
00:37:09
of the things I did in my career to be a better investigator was once a month I attended law enforcement meetings where
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offenders sex offenders coming out on parole agreed to be interviewed by law enforcement and if you take that and you
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compare it to what John Douglas in the initial mind Hunters as people like to call them were doing it's very similar
00:37:38
they were going and talking to people who were still in prison but they were talking to them about their crimes how
00:37:45
they committed their crimes why they committed their crimes how they chose their victims things like that and we
00:37:51
were doing that here in Sacramento with guys coming out on parole you learn there are certain things that
00:38:01
you can identify with behavior one of the examples I love to use is that when I was attending the uh parole
00:38:12
interviews they would give us a document or a briefing document that would describe what their crime was but it
00:38:22
would also include their criminal history well I learned from going to these things from interacting with the
00:38:27
other guys that a lot of these guys that commit sexual offenses will have a history of burglaries in their criminal
00:38:39
record we're not talking about two or three we're talking about 10 15 a lot of them the question becomes or people say
00:38:46
well why are burglaries important when you consider a sexual offender and what I learned and uh there was another guy I
00:38:55
worked with named Steve h Hill from the Sacramento County Sheriff's Office who made so much available to me but what I
00:39:02
learned was that a lot of these guys if not most of them they're pleading out their sex crimes down to burglaries
00:39:12
these are guys that are going into homes they're standing over a sleeping woman or child and they're fantasizing doing
00:39:22
what they're doing and they get caught and nobody wants to be charged as a sexual crime so they're allowed to plea
00:39:35
bargain it down and they get charged with a burglary there was one guy I remember that we interviewed who had
00:39:43
about 20 burglaries on his wrap sheet and I asked the guy you know oh so you know these did you do these burglaries
00:39:51
goes oh yeah yeah and he was proud of it I said but you know really if you did these 20 there's what you probably did
00:39:57
40 right and he goes yeah and uh so if you did 40 I said so um what did you do with all the money I mean you must have
00:40:07
really nice things at home if you did these 40 burglaries you've gotten several thousand dollars not to mention
00:40:15
the jewelry and things like that and the guys would say I don't have a scent to my name so then the next question
00:40:21
becomes logically well if you don't have the money and you going into these homes
00:40:26
why were you going into those homes and that's where you know they don't want to
00:40:30
tell you you know oh well I was going in and I just didn't find anything whatever
00:40:35
and then you're like you remind them you know you're here for a reason what did you do when you went into the home and
00:40:40
then they start describing what they did and how they did it and you learn that a
00:40:45
bunch of these guys will stand outside windows and they'll look in we call them peeping Toms but you learned that where
00:40:53
you have a lot of reportings of a Peeping Tom sometimes you'll find that they urinated
00:40:59
or defecated outside the window that they're looking in at I I I don't know what the reason is or I I don't
00:41:05
understand the sexual motivation but they do it so this is an example where you know a normal or not a normal you'll
00:41:12
you know a behavior that someone will do while they're doing something wrong and
00:41:16
you can look for it and it helps you understand things so this is an example of your understanding what motivates the
00:41:25
person um you you take a a sexual offender for instance and in my opinion what I learned from the
00:41:33
profiling training and from going to these meetings is that a sexual off offender has a
00:41:40
fantasy and I'm talking about mostly guys right now and that mostly these guys will have this fantasy in their
00:41:48
head of what they want now if it's a fantasy of doing something illegal like a murder or a rape they realize
00:42:01
that their fantasy is of a behavior that is Criminal and they'll make a conscious
00:42:08
decision not to do it but some guys will also make a conscious decision to do it
00:42:16
so then what becomes important in terms of the profiling is understanding what their fantasy is what is their fantasy
00:42:24
and this is where you find where you where your listeners watch the shows and they see like with a victim there might
00:42:32
be a breast that's bitten or or the victim is posed in a certain way this is part of the offender's fantasy and this
00:42:42
gives you certain information about the offender they learn statistically that most offenders that do serial murders
00:42:49
like this they're normally white they're normally middle-aged they have a very good intelligence some of them function
00:42:57
normally in society and have their own families uh if you look at the BTK killer he's a great example if you read
00:43:04
the information about BTK and what he did you'll learn about his fantasy but you'll also learn that he had a fantasy
00:43:11
in fact I mean he also he had a family and I think my wife gets People magazine and I saw recently there on the cover
00:43:19
there was uh a a headline you know I I was raised by a serial killer and I think it's BTK Dennis Raider's daughter
00:43:29
being interviewed and talking about her background and so these this is examples
00:43:34
of uh and so it also leads you to come into crime scenes and make certain um you know uh suspicions based on the
00:43:44
crime scenes if you go into a crime scene and the victim is posed well you know you have a sexual uh fantasy guy if
00:43:55
you go into a crime scene seen and the victim their face is covered well that's a person who may or may not have known
00:44:02
the victim most times the the killer will know the victim or have seen them before and so these are things that all
00:44:12
come into play when they then take this and they process it and they come out with okay this is what we think your
00:44:19
Fender all about I hope that was helpful Jeff we want to thank you for joining us
00:44:24
here in the garage and discussing the missing person's case of Danny howenstein today before we wrap up could
00:44:31
you tell us a little bit about your book that you put out okay the title of the book is in the name of the children and
00:44:40
it's of course it's written by myself and my co-author marily strong this book was not intended to be
00:44:49
a book my wife Lori who is the Keystone of my life asked me to write an accounting of
00:45:00
myself for my sons and for the members of our family that come later so they'll have something
00:45:10
to have to know about me and I sat there for several months with a laptop and I crying and I wrote an accounting of my
00:45:22
life as if I was speaking to my sons themselves so if you read my book you'll you'll get the feeling that I'm talking
00:45:30
to you and what I do in my book is I tell I I I talk to everyone uh in a way of explaining my life I talk about my
00:45:41
childhood how it felt to be bullied and beat up all the time how I felt when I had my surgery and I was
00:45:50
angry most importantly working these crimes against children caused a lot of emotional damage to me
00:46:00
and I didn't know it at the time but I learned that it caused a lot of emotional damage to my family and I try
00:46:08
and describe in the book the effect of this crimes on me and what I learned from my family and what I learned that I
00:46:19
did to my family I got to the point where I became became a danger to myself I became
00:46:28
suicidal in the book I described two incidences where I did try and take my life um but I also try and help the
00:46:38
reader understand why I reached this point and when I finished writing this manuscript and I gave it back to Lori to
00:46:46
read she believed that if we did make this a book it might help other First Responders or other invest investigators
00:46:56
like me that work these cases because Lor and I at are best when we're helping people and we thought maybe this book
00:47:03
can help and I can't begin to tell you Nick the calls and contacts I've gotten from other law enforcement and even from
00:47:12
victims the uh I've been contacted by victims in other states who said that this book did spoke to them on a level
00:47:21
that they had never experienced before and it had helped them there if uh your readers get the book and I recommend
00:47:28
they do there's a chapter named the 22 and in that chapter there's a girl that's described who was you know very
00:47:37
assaulted and I gave the manuscript to every victim family I could find that was in the book I would not have agreed
00:47:48
to the publishing of the book if I didn't have the approval of the people in this instance we gave the book to
00:47:55
this one girl and she got back to us several weeks later and she was crying and she said she was obsessively reading
00:48:02
the chapter and over and over again and the reason was because she never realized how I saw her and I saw her as
00:48:10
a warrior Queen and it made her feel better about herself it made her um it made her understand that even though she
00:48:22
was a victim that she had fought her victimization and she had a lot to be proud of and these children in the 22
00:48:31
the chapter 22 my wife Lor and I are still in contact with them we attend their weddings and their baby showers
00:48:39
and their graduations uh at one point during the case one of them said you know are we
00:48:44
just another case to you or and you're going to go away or and I promise them I would be there for them for the rest of
00:48:52
my life and Lori and I have have made that promise and we've been living up to it if your readers read the book they'll
00:49:01
see that each chapter is named after a victim the first chapter is me I describ myself as a victim for what I
00:49:09
experienced from my birth defects and my cerebal paly and then after that the chapters are names of the cases that I
00:49:19
worked that provided transition in my life in terms of working these cases the final chapter is named Lori Joe and
00:49:28
Jordan and this is my wife and my two sons and it describes the harm I caused to them and how proud I am of them and
00:49:39
we are still very close as a family uh Lori and I Lori uh retired um this past year and since
00:49:49
she's been retired has been the happiest time of my life and the thoughts in my mind are still there the post-traumatic
00:49:58
stress but I'm better able to deal with it because I have the love of my family and of my wife Lori so I think that your
00:50:07
readers will experience what it's like to be in the head of an investigator not only in working the case but how the
00:50:15
case affects them and Captain how about a little recommended reading how about it we have
00:50:28
some highly recommended reading for you today pick up a copy of in the name of the children and FBI agents Relentless
00:50:35
pursuit of the nation's worst Predators by Jeffrey rck it's also available on audio book so if you're making a note
00:50:43
that's in the name of the children by Jeffrey rinck if you can't write that title down just go to True Crim
00:50:49
garage.com and click on the recommended page and we will have that there for you
00:50:53
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00:50:58
know listening to the garage so we can stick around until next week be good be kind and don't
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