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round grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] series of murders in the Connecticut
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River Valley you suspect it was the work of a serial killer all were stabbed multiple times
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times and that's why I'm here to look for results to have results to give those families an answer
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34 years have passed since Jane Borowski sped through the New Hampshire night pregnant covered in blood and stab
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wounds Jane borowsky was just 22 years old and several months pregnant and didn't know
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it that night but she may have been a Serial Killer's only Survivor late in the evening of Saturday August
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6th 1988 Jane Borowski is driving home from the county fair in Keene New Hampshire
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along the way she decided to stop and grab a soda for the remainder of her drive
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she stopped at a convenience store in West Swansea the little store was closed but no big
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deal there's a vending machine out front Jane pulls into a spot right in front of
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the store by this time it's already dark out the parking area is small and not well
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lit there does not seem to be anyone else around she got out of her car and walked up to the well-lit soda
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machine she put in a couple of quarters made her selection and bingo the can drops to the
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open slot in the machine near her knees she grabbed the can turns around and immediately notices that someone else
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has pulled into the parking lot a Jeep Wagoneer parked right next to her car Jane returns to her vehicle through her
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rear view mirror she notices the driver of the Wagoneer walking around the back of her vehicle
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it's a man and he approached Jane's open driver side door window he says something like hey
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is that pay phone working Jane starts to answer when the man immediately grabs the door handle and
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opens the car door he grabs her and pulled her from the vehicle as he's pulling her from the vehicle
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Jane screams and says to the man please don't hurt me I'm pregnant now she's out of the car
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the two struggle during which the man accused her of beating up his girlfriend and asked if she had Massachusetts
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plates on her car owski responded that she had New Hampshire plates Jane manages to break free from the
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attack she tries to flee the man chases after he grabs Jane and then he stabs her
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27 times the man then calmly walks back to his vehicle opens the door and gets in
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then he drives off this is true crime garage and this is the true story of the still unsolved
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case of the Connecticut River Valley killer telling seven women stabbed and murdered
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series of murders in the Connecticut River Valley yes [Music] a speller all were stabbed multiple times
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and that's why I'm here to look for results to have results to give those families an answer
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on a Wednesday night in October of 1991 I remember being a little boy sitting down to tune into one of my favorite
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television shows Unsolved Mysteries my favorite Mysteries back then were the Legends things like the Bermuda Triangle
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and the yeti my least favorite Mysteries featured on the show were the Lost loves
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selfishly I thought let these people find each other on their own time because this is my time one hour each
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week that I get to tune in and be amazed and intrigued by the Mysteries out there
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in the real world many of them because of my young age I was learning about for the very first time
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all with the great voice and delivery of Robert Stack to lead us through each story now on the night of October 9th
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1991 without any prior knowledge I was going to learn about something much more terrifying than magnetic and frequency
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issues leading aircrafts to disappear in the western part of the North Atlantic Ocean where some mysterious hairy
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ape-like creature that inhabits the Himalayan Mountain range on this night's episode
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Mr stack is schooling us all on the subject of serial killers the first mystery of that week's show flashed on
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the screen with the bright blue letters the Bold blue word hit my screen and it read wanted the title of the case was
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the Connecticut River Valley killer my first thought was well I might have a hard time falling asleep tonight Stack's
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lead-in was as follows police estimate that there may be as many as 100 serial killers living among us on our streets
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and in our neighborhoods they are cruel and calculating choosing victims indiscriminately with little or no
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remorse for their actions the overwhelming task for authorities is to determine how the serial killer thinks
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and hopefully learn where and when he might strike again one such investigation is currently
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underway in New England since 1978 the bodies of seven young women have been discovered within a 50 mile radius in
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the Connecticut River Valley along the New Hampshire Vermont border near route 91.
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police believe that six of them were abducted and taken to remote wooded areas where they were murdered all
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suffered similar stab wounds most were found off dirt roads none were sexually assaulted and police began to suspect
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that the murders were the work of the same individual a serial killer pretty haunting scene you see Robert Stack
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walking through the woods with his trench coat on it and I believe the comment was something like FBI believes
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that there's over a hundred serial killers out there and you're like well if there's this serial killer and he's
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responsible for seven eight murders then times that by a hundred and he got 800 and some victims out there yeah and he's
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reciting a stat that was well delivered and for the time anyway so back in the 80s and the 90s one typical conversation
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that was always being had about serial killers well how many are there and it was almost like you would think of them
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like Senators well there's probably two in every state was the General thought and so that's how you come up with that
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number of 100. now while Stack's narration was spot on as usual a few updates one today the estimated
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number of serial killers walking amongst us just here the United States is between 350 to 500. another terrifying
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update here Captain the case is covered in this segment of Unsolved Mysteries that aired over 30 years ago
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well they're still unsolved many of them on the Cold Case shelves in Vermont and
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New Hampshire and the one that they call the Connecticut River Valley killer has
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never been apprehended for these homicides nor has anybody else the Connecticut River Valley killer is
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the name given to an unidentified American serial killer believed to be responsible for a series of stabbing
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murders mostly in and around Claremont New Hampshire and the Connecticut River Valley primarily in the 1980s yeah
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that's some scary statistics anyone that would like to view the unsolved mystery segment for
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themselves this case was featured on episode 4 of season four of Unsolved Mysteries and that is currently
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available to view for free on Amazon Prime yes I just watched it again this week we briefly discussed the attack and
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the attempted murder of Jane borowsky in today's trailer leading into this week's
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case she is interviewed on Unsolved Mysteries for their episode as well her voice is
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disguised and she appears Only In the Shadows on the show to help maintain her anonymity
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now keep in mind if she is as the show portrays the only living Survivor of this killer of women well this is for
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not just for her safety number one and the safety of the case as it stands because if they can prove that any of
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these cases are in fact connected to each other or to the horrifying attack that took place and nearly killed Jane
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barovsky some 34 years ago well then she would have been Paramount to the prosecution in the state's case against
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the offender once identified arrested and charged right a Vermont newspaper this is the Rutland Daily Herald did a
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follow-up article on the show's coverage of this case now keep in mind at the time in the late 80s even into the early
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90s this case had many of the women in the area terrified and of course the case had the
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detectives perplexed nobody could really agree if these cases were all connected
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or how many of them were connected amongst the cases that they had outstanding the detectives had some
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leads but one thing that we are going to see in this case Captain is that the remains of some of these victims were
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not located for a considerable amount of time this of course causing a major issue for these investigations remember
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we've discussed this all the time here in the garage that time is the killer time is the killer of evidence of
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witnesses of their memories what persons with key information in any case can verify or even remember we just time
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does not help as it goes by these investigations well in this area too as well as heavily wooded area New
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Hampshire Vermont area a lot of back roads a lot of places to hide bodies here's a good summary of
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that follow-up article the headline was exciting and intriguing and it reads Mystery Show leads to tip
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on I-91 murder in fact the article states that the New Hampshire State Police received about
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800 tips from around the nation since Unsolved Mysteries aired their coverage of the case months
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earlier the article goes on to state that the New Hampshire and Vermont state police are investigating crimes
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including the murder of Barbara Agnew a Norwich nurse who disappeared January of
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1987 from a rest area off of northbound Interstate 91 near White River Junction Barbara's body was found 11 weeks later
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89 feet off of an isolated Road in Heartland police said her death was caused by multiple stab wounds Barbara
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agnew's murder at the time was one of seven unsolved homicides in the Connecticut River Valley since 1978. now
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this article goes on to point out something very important to this case and is stated as although police have
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not officially linked the killings they were portrayed as the work of a serial killer on Unsolved Mysteries New
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Hampshire state police detective Sergeant clay young said quote that is one Theory which we have investigated
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but have not fully endorsed he said the decision by the unsolved mystery's crew to portray the killings as serial crimes
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probably made it more appealing to viewers quote it gave exposure to the case it did generate phone phone calls
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from all over the country anything that keeps it in the eye of the public we welcome end quote it's really hard to
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definitively connect these cases because the physical evidence was so there was so much Decay that we have a lack of
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physical evidence in these cases some of them are not found for weeks months or even years after they disappeared and
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like the captain pointed out many of these victims are believed to have been stabbed to death that gets a little
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complicated when you have such decomposition with some of these victims to actually
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discern exactly what took place or how the victim may have even been killed let's get into the victims here
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and some of the victimology in this case the short version of it is this that for
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roughly 10 years between 1978 and 1988 women were murdered in the Connecticut River Valley region that straddles the
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border of Vermont and New Hampshire all of these victims are believed to have been stabbed many in a specific pattern
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across the upper body and abdomen again that gets very hard to decipher in some of these cases because of such levels of
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decomposition right two questions remain amongst others are all or some of these
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victims connected to one killer or is one or multiple Killers still free the first one in the series
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many consider this to be the first one is the unsolved 1978 homicide of Catherine Milliken
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on October 24 1978 Catherine Milliken age 26 she was last seen photographing birds at
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the Chandler Brook Wetland Preserve in New London New Hampshire her body was found just yards from where
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she had been taking these photographs and it was determined later that she had been stabbed over 20 times she's one of
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the cases Captain where she's last seen in this area her body's found not terribly far from
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where she's last seen there doesn't seem to be any kind of threat that anybody else recognized at the time
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yet she's found and she's one that is actually she's one of the few victims that were actually found relatively
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quickly next up brings us to Mary Elizabeth critchley the details of her case are as
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such Mary critchley was last seen on July 25th 1981 near Exit 13 of the Massachusetts Turnpike in Farmingham
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Massachusetts Mary had been dropped off there by a friend and was then going to be
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hitchhiking to Waterbury Vermont this is where she lived with another friend Mary was attending classes at the
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University of Vermont and at the time of her death was working to get this education finish
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her schooling and go into a career sadly her body was found on August 9 1981 in the woods off of unity Stage Road and
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unity New Hampshire the medical examiner was not able to determine a cause of death because of the condition of the
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body so there's extenuating circumstances here Captain we know that the circumstances surrounding her
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disappearance and her death are considered by law enforcement to be suspicious and that's why this victim's
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name finds itself on this list and as a potential victim in this series right but the complications in the condition
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of the body did not allow the medical examiner to determine the cause of death even though she's found relatively
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quickly notice that we have she's last seen July 25th and her body is recovered August 9th well again like I said this
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is a breeding ground for serial killers this is a you have heavy heavily wooded areas
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and then those areas which are not highly they're not highly trafficked by by individuals
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and then you have a plethora of rodents and other animals that are going to get to
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these Vic the problem being with a lot of these cases and you take a look at them and when you
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dissect the case you start to see similarities you'll see similarities with these victims where some of them
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were hitchhiking were known to hitchhike in word known to be in the act of hitchhiking on the day that they were
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last seen and then you compound that with the location of where the bodies are recovered from later
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and it looks like you have if not the same killer in a lot of these cases you at least have someone with a
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relatively trite MO but a very similar modus operandi picking up a hitchhiker picking up a stranger and then went
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discarding of the body in a remote wooded area yeah I would define all these cases as
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crimes of opportunity but I believe this killer or killers is putting themselves in the right
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positions for those opportunities yeah I think you're spot on and the experts would agree with you in this
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case captain that you're exactly right these are mainly victims of uh crimes of opportunity
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Predator spots prey random procures them whether it's snatch and grab talking them into a vehicle
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or showing some kind of threat Gunner threat enforcing them into being captive now a captive victim and
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you're exactly right we often in anything that we do we often create our own opportunities right and what you
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have here is very high probability that if look I'll go ahead and get it out of the
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way now we don't need to dance around it too much I don't think that all of these cases
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are in fact connected to one killer I do believe however that several of them are
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in fact the work of one individual and I think it gets a little difficult to to decide which ones belong in that
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category and which ones don't but whoever whoever committed these crimes is somebody that was out looking for
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somebody right I think that the the perpetrator of several of these homicides was
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somebody that was out trolling in the area trolling near Interstate 91 for a good deal of time for several years and
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you're right crimes of opportunity but the killer created their own Opportunity by constantly be driving out by
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themselves trolling around in their free time and looking for a potential victim
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that brings us to Bernice Court Comanche that brings us to Bernice Court manchi she was only 17 years old she was last
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seen alive around 3 30 in the afternoon on May 30th 1984. she was last seen hitchhiking on Route
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12. this is near Claremont New Hampshire she was working as an assistant at a nursing home part-time while also
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attending High School Court manchi was a nurse's aide and she's last seen on the 30th of May 1984.
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she's reported missing the very next day authorities said that her skeletal remains were found nearly two years
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later so this was April 19 1986. The Remains were discovered off of cat whole Road in Newport her body was
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decomposed an autopsy revealed that Comanche had been stabbed to death Court Menchie's case has been popularly
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linked to these this series of crimes the unsolved killings of the Connecticut River Valley killer
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but Cold Case officials don't believe that all of the cases that we are going to discuss are connected the thing that
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they keep pointing out though when they anytime that they say we don't believe that all of these cases are in fact
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connected they usually follow it up with a statement that's similar to this saying that the possibility can't be
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fully investigated until one of these cases gets solved which makes sense so you have this the span of in depending
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on where you go for your information or who you talk to you get a varying degree
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of how many victims are we actually talking about that could be in this series and unfortunately we're going to
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be telling you the same thing that we we can't look at all these cases and say they're all 100 connected no ifs ands or
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buts but again I feel strongly that many of these cases very likely are connected
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so those numbers we keep seeing saying eight women or ten women but really those numbers vary captain from as few
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as seven victims all the way up to potentially 13 or 14 victims I would actually argue that it could be
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double that and the reason why is because like I said this is a these are grounds
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for every hitchhiker that we have in this area that we then found the remains of how many of these hitchhikers were
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never found and so yes we have eight bodies that are found now we got to figure out if these
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bodies are connected in any way shape or form but how many victims did they not find
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how many missing persons within this time frame and roughly this area and again law enforcement is putting these
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crimes within 50 miles is the hunting ground for this individual or multiple individuals even further than that
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so if you then figure out that a couple of these cases might be connected and you got to put them in this group over
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here group a and then you connect a couple other of the other victims and they're connected put them in group b
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and now we got two killers how many victims are not found in that area and I think here one thing that I
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paid close attention to Captain was more so where the victims were last seen right or what evidence suggests to where
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the abduction took place or where whatever went wrong started to occur because and this is going to sound very cold of
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me to say this but this is nothing new here in the garage we talked about this way back when we
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first covered the Tony Anthony Muncie case we had seen in several cases in the 80s
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where victims were either abducted or something went down which led to their death their
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murder in Columbus or the Greater Columbus area but it was not uncommon especially in the 80s it's still
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unfortunately not uncommon today to then find a Columbus victim to find their body in Delaware County
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north of Columbus right north of Franklin County and sometimes unfortunately you have a situation where
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you find bodies in similar areas over a great length of time or a period of time
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and it doesn't necessarily mean that all the cases have to be connected sometimes
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unfortunately again this is going to sound cold but sometimes there's just good places to put a body and therefore
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people do it well and it's easy place because of the terrain be just to get lost yeah and you see that in the
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Unsolved Mysteries coverage too when it shows Robert Stack and then later shows the psychologist who helped police on
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the case them walking through this wooded area and very quickly when you're looking at
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this segment and you see them in the woods you go yeah I kind of get it why somebody would place the body there and
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that you have these cases where the remains are not found for months or even years
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we have two years almost two years in this last case that we just talked about in Bernice's case
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and you understand why it took so long for the body to be recovered there's nothing that suggests that anybody held
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Bernice Comanche for a long period of time right it's very likely that unfortunately she was killed shortly
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after she was abducted or shortly after she hitchhiked and got into the wrong vehicle and so it you you can look at
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the terrain as you've pointed out and understand that there are a reason why a killer or somebody that killed somebody
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would place a a victim there it's in the hopes that they're not recovered or if they are recovered that time is the
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Killer and evidence has been destroyed due to time that leads us now to Ellen freed from
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Newport she was age 26 when she was last seen talking on a pay phone she was talking to her sister on the pay
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phone outside of Leo's Market this is a convenience store small convenience store in Claremont
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this took place July 22nd 1984. Freed's sister would later tell investigators that at
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one point during their phone conversation her sister Ellen told her that a car had
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driven by and out of fear freed had checked to make sure that the engine of her own car was still working
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that this car had spooked her that had drove by I'm getting the feeling here that she probably saw the vehicle more
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than one on one occasion if she's checking to make sure that her engine is still working and then noting that to
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her sister there's a bunch of things in this case or these cases that bother me or give law enforcement trouble
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one is just lack of eyewitnesses but this case in particular out of all of them really haunts me because
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because we've all been there when we've been somewhere or we feel like a car is following us or something doesn't seem
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right seems like in some of these cases like especially with The Hitchhikers they were hitchhiking and got into the
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wrong vehicle but in this scenario she's well aware of what's happening and she's well aware there's something not
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right going on here and then she goes missing yeah and her case reminds me Captain of
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Jane borowsky's case the Survivor and it also reminds me of another one of these cases I can see some connections
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in some of these cases and some some similarities as we go through these now she's last seen
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last heard of talking to her sister on this pay phone then a few days later Ellen fried's car
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was found two miles from the Leo's Market where she was on the phone with her sister
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her skeletal remains were found in a wooded area next to the Sugar River this in Kellyville in the greater Kellyville
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area of Newport New Hampshire now her remains are not recovered until September 19
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1985. so again we have a situation this is over a year later after she was last heard from alive and well the autopsy
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revealed the cause of death to be undetermined again because the the skeletal remains
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were in such a state of decomposition that it didn't really give proof positive evidence as to how she was
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killed however the circumstances of her disappearance and the findings at the scene where her body was later recovered
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were consistent with Ellen having been sexually assaulted before her death the case has been treated as a homicide her
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body was found in the same wooded area as Bernice curmachi we also have the unsolved homicide of Ava Morse her
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remains were found in Unity on April 25th 1986 she was 27 years of age at the time that
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she went missing she was last seen on the morning of July 10 1985 hitchhiking on Route 12 near
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North Charleston New Hampshire the medical examiner determined that Morris had been stabbed to death
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[Music] foreign [Music] [Music] we are back thanks for joining us here on the garage cheers to everybody and
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Happy Holidays happy holidays Merry Christmas everybody have a safe wonderful holiday season I want to give
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a quick shout out here Captain to Dennis and Jax and beautiful Parts Unknown Dennis checked his Spotify year in
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kernel goodness for the ear balls big balls so if you have listened to more than Dennis
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tweet at me a screenshot at tcgnic I want to hear from you I'm searching for the garage's most Avid listener of 2022.
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so big cheers to Dennis out there and his dog Jax who I imagine Jax has got to be in great shape as well as Dennis if
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if the if all of these minutes listening were conducted during dog walking sessions
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this now Captain brings us to one of the more difficult victims in this series for me anyway and this is the victim
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Linda Moore who was age 36 and I'm gonna go ahead and throw this out here right now
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her murder her the details surrounding her murder and the speculation on her case is
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is enough to cover one or two episodes on her own and this is the one to me where I
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quickly look at it and have a very difficult time lumping it in with the others this case is quite different in
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my mind simply because she was killed inside of her house in Sexton's River Vermont on April 15
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1986. so we know she wasn't out hitchhiking we know that she wasn't found you know somebody out trolling around
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and finds a potential victim at a rest area or on a pay phone this woman was found killed in her own
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home we know where her body was found and her body you know it wasn't like she was at a pay phone and that that her
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body was found in the woods like some of the other victims but this is what I think makes it so
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difficult for law enforcement about connecting these cases is because if you have
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these killers and we see this all the time these killers could have a loop oh well I drive to this gas station
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because they have a pay phone and I see if anybody's at the pay phone and then I
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go to this rest stop and I see if anybody's there and then I drive along the freeway and see if anybody's
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hitchhiking see if anybody's car broke down right and is it possible that this killer stops at a convenience store
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and and sees her and follows her back to the house that's a possibility too the good thing for the investigation in her
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case is that you have a good deal more of evidence and information to really try to hone in on
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what exactly went down and who is responsible for her homicide where you don't have that in many of these other
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cases so in the case of Linda Moore look that afternoon her husband is the one that found her stabbed to death
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inside their home and there's this tragic story this true tragic story of not only of this wonderful lady this
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mother of two who was killed in her own home but they tried to okay so her husband finds her in the
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afternoon he drove home from work discovers his wife has been murdered and inside their home
00:36:33
the police are now on the scene and they're looking through the evidence and trying to figure out what happened but
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at the same time they are scrambling to stop the school buses so the school buses are out in the area
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and they're driving the kids home from school that day Linda Moore's two children were on a bus in route to their
00:36:57
home they were scheduled to be dropped off at any minute that's awful and of course the father and police nobody
00:37:04
wanted the children hopping off the bus walking into this murder scene and and seeing
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their mother in this condition they hadn't even removed the body from the scene yet
00:37:16
and the police tried their damnedest but this is one of those additional tragic stories that comes
00:37:23
along with these stories that we tell each week that they kept stopping bus after bus
00:37:29
they couldn't get a car to the bus that actually had Linda Moore's children on it in time the kids showed up
00:37:36
and were dropped off at the driveway of their home now fortunately by that time of course we already have their father
00:37:43
on the scene he's the one that discovered Linda having been stabbed to death but the grandparents had also been
00:37:50
notified and were on scene on the scene and able to intercept the children put them in their car and unfortunately
00:37:57
deliver the bad news then and there to them at that time so they didn't have to witness anything unnecessarily but it
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was just one of those weird stories where police did their damned is to try to spare further trauma
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now prior to being stabbed Linda Moore was sunbathing on her lawn several people were seen outside of
00:38:22
Linda Moore's household including a mysterious dark-haired man with cheap sunglasses I I should be clear with
00:38:29
cheap glasses I there's nothing to indicate that they were sunglasses and a blue knapsack although Linda Moore was
00:38:36
not left in the woods like the other victims her body she was stabbed in that specific pattern shown in other stabbing
00:38:46
victims in the valley profiler John philpin who we talked about he's the psychologist that
00:38:52
assisted police in this investigation and others related to the Connecticut River Valley homicides
00:39:00
he believes that it's possible that the killer had been interrupted which prevented him from then moving the body
00:39:07
to a more secluded area or more secluded location like we found with some of the
00:39:12
other victims the other thing that gets difficult in these cases Captain is trying to
00:39:18
determine where the victim was killed I'm of the belief that it's it's possible that some of the victims
00:39:26
were killed where they were found or near where they were found but like you had said earlier there's also the
00:39:32
possibility in one two or several of these cases they may have been killed in a vehicle or killed elsewhere and then
00:39:38
transported to the secluded area for the purposes of hoping that the bodies would
00:39:44
not be found and like we said there's not a lot of eyewitnesses that are connected to these cases so we
00:39:51
don't have a vehicle that we're looking at that connects all these cases together after
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the murder of Linda Moore this brings us to what many believe to be the last of the deceased victims this is Barbara
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Agnew who was 38 when she vanished Agnew was a divorcee with a young son she was
00:40:11
working as a nurse at a cardiac unit Barbara was last seen at the Stratton Vermont ski area where she had been
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skiing with her friends in January of 1987. her vehicle this is a BMW was found at a Interstate
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91 Northbound rest stop in Hartford Vermont on the 10th this is just a few miles from our home
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on March 28th her body was found and it was determined that she had been stabbed
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to death in the rural area of Heartland Vermont she too displayed that v-shaped stabbing pattern
00:40:51
this cases is really weird to me too because where her bot where her vehicle is found
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is just a few miles from her home so police friends and family have been baffled as to why Barbara Agnew would
00:41:08
stop her vehicle that night she's heading home and as said her car was later located
00:41:15
just a few miles from her home now some have suggested that look the snow was heavy that night maybe she decided to
00:41:22
take a break from driving maybe she wanted to throw out some garbage from her vehicle or even make a phone call
00:41:30
and a pay phone at that rest area but or the simplest thing is that she had to use the rest yes that that's on that
00:41:38
list of of speculation why why did she stop again many people have said but if she
00:41:44
if it wasn't an emergency why stop at all when the vehicle she's just a couple miles from her home you
00:41:51
know two three four more minutes she's at home I look at this one and wonder if we have a completely different situation
00:41:58
in this case that we might not have in some of the other ones I wonder if she had been forced off of the road or
00:42:07
someone someone tricked her into stopping somewhere along the way and that could
00:42:14
this be a situation where the killer or Killers moved her vehicle after yeah very impossible but like I said and
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and it's scary to think about and once we get to Jane's case because Jane stopped
00:42:33
um because in Jane's case she stopped to get a soda and a vending machine so I to just to think about this we have
00:42:45
a killer that is gone in some kind of pattern and he's checking the areas that people hitchhike at he's checking
00:42:54
convenience stores he's checking for people that are uh their cars have broke down on the side of the road he's
00:43:00
checking rest stops he's checking pay phones he's checking places that are vending machines
00:43:06
and it's probably there's there's probably some kind of high that he's getting just by going into these locations
00:43:15
knowing that he might be finding a victim well then once you see somebody at these locations well how many people
00:43:23
are around is there opportunity for you to pounce yeah and I think you're exactly right here in this situation
00:43:31
Captain I think that it's very similar to some BTK activity you know after Dennis Rader was arrested
00:43:40
and even tried and convicted and and he pled guilty to a lot of charges one thing that was weird was they the
00:43:49
experts and the authorities kept pointing out to him you know you're one of the The Stranger
00:43:55
serial killers because you unlike most of them stopped killing well first of all very few serial killers killed for
00:44:03
the length of time that Dennis Raider did and so naturally there are going to be
00:44:11
times when they stop killing and stop is a weird word to use because it's more like a pause right it's a pause between
00:44:19
homicides and Raider pointed out he said look no I never stopped killing I may not have actually killed anybody after
00:44:27
this this last homicide but The Act of Killing involved so many other things for him and a large part of
00:44:36
that was trolling and driving in in the excitement that he got looking for victims or his projects as
00:44:43
he would later call them and you may have a similar situation here where this guy
00:44:51
doesn't ever truly stop killing he just didn't acquire a victim he was always out driving and looking around and like
00:44:59
you said had his spots where he would like to go these hot spots that he's checking for a potential victim and a
00:45:07
pay phone given the time frame and given the cases that we've brought up and the victims
00:45:13
that we've brought up pay phones seem to be wrapped up into a lot of this guy's trolling or the methods that he's using
00:45:21
the other thing going back to this idea where maybe you have this one case where
00:45:29
Barbara agnew's car may have been moved later to throw off investigators I think you can go back to the Ellen
00:45:39
freed case as well age 26 she's on the Payphone talking to her sister they find her vehicle a
00:45:46
couple of miles from that Leo's Market that convenience store where she was last known to be alive and well
00:45:54
you know did did this killer find a way how do you find a way if Ellen gets back
00:46:01
in her vehicle and starts to drive off when they find her vehicle there's no signs that there was a struggle in the
00:46:10
vehicle there's no signs that the vehicle wasn't working she had mentioned to her sister hey this car has spooked
00:46:17
me that's driven by it spooked me so much I was double checking to make sure that my
00:46:23
engine still works so I can get in the vehicle now could she have run into car trouble and they weren't able to trace
00:46:28
that when they found her vehicle yes that could be a situation but if her car was working fine as she indicated to her
00:46:36
sister then how does she get back in her vehicle she's already spooked she's already said that to her sister spooked
00:46:43
enough to double check that the engine worked how does then somebody trick her out of her vehicle or get her out of her
00:46:49
vehicle to me it almost looks like a situation where she may have never got back into that vehicle and whoever got a
00:46:55
hold of her did it before so and then chose to move her vehicle because they when they spotted their victim they
00:47:03
spotted her on the pay phone they wanted to distance that vehicle or finding Ellen freed from that pay phone
00:47:13
yeah or the attacker attacks are in her car and takes off in her car and then doubles back on foot to get his vehicle
00:47:22
and you're right captain that could be the scenario because we know with Jane borowski's case our surviving victim
00:47:29
that she was taken from her vehicle so yes we could see a similar Mo in some of these other cases all right I think it's
00:47:37
now time this is the part of the case captain that I like to call the great debate
00:47:44
the reasons for and reasons against that these cases are in fact all connected now a great website New
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England unsolved Blogspot made a list for similarities between the cases as well as a list of a case against a
00:48:03
serial killer offender in these cases let's go ahead and review those now for similarities between cases the first
00:48:13
that they know is that all of the cases except for critchley's definitively involved a knife attack and yes this is
00:48:21
true we see the choice of weapon here in most of these cases but one we have a knife attack that is involved
00:48:31
four of the cases had a specific stabbing pattern across the upper body and abdomen the other cases may have
00:48:39
also displayed this pattern but were too decomposed to tell although an attack to
00:48:45
the upper body was present yeah so similar injuries this is interesting this is a little more specific
00:48:54
than just victim after victim being stabbed to death this is a specific stabbing pattern across the upper body
00:49:01
and abdomen which is found in at least four of these cases could have been present in some of the other cases but
00:49:07
due to decomposition we can't tell third on the list Captain is with the exception of Linda Moore and Jane
00:49:15
Borowski all of the victims were killed in a wooded area that they had been transported to
00:49:23
whether they were transported there and then attacked or if they were attacked and then transported afterward that is
00:49:29
certainly Up For Debate but what we do know is that with Jane borowsky's attack her attacker attacked her in that
00:49:38
parking lot and that small parking lot of the little convenience store that was closed and
00:49:44
essentially just left her there to die and as you pointed out may have even thought that she was close to death when
00:49:53
he left her and then we have Linda Moore who we pointed out is very different just
00:49:59
simply for the fact that she was killed and found in her home some of the experts in this case share
00:50:07
the opinion that Linda Moore in that attack in her home that the killer may have been interrupted
00:50:14
and some even say that the attack on James borowsky who survived May simply have been interrupted as well
00:50:23
they go on to point out the two sets of victims were found in very close proximity to each other that's one thing
00:50:28
that look we pointed out that sometimes you just have a good location where people tend to
00:50:36
for a lack of better word dump bodies or try to hide bodies but one thing that we
00:50:41
cannot move off of is the fact that two sets of victims were found very very close to
00:50:49
one another it's almost like a Green River Killer type situation where he was dumping and discarding of victims in
00:50:58
clusters right one thing that's problematic for the the investigation is that three of the victims were known
00:51:06
to be hitchhiking at the time that they were last seen two of the attacks this is in the freed
00:51:12
and the baroski attack definitively involved a pay phone and we're near pay phones at the time of
00:51:20
the attack we know that freed was on the phone with her sister and then she vanishes we know that in the baroski
00:51:27
attack the killer or the attempted killer for whatever reason used the phone as a
00:51:36
way to communicate with the victim saying hey does that phone work what we don't know is with some of the
00:51:43
other cases it is possible that a pay phone or soda machine or a stop at a convenience store may have been an
00:51:52
element in some of the other cases the Agnew case the Morse case the richly and the corbanchi cases that's certainly a
00:51:58
possibility just because we don't know exactly when our victim was abducted or how right that makes sense and as the
00:52:09
captain pointed out earlier and John Philbin points out with his assessment of these cases
00:52:16
that he speculates that it's possible that the Killer would regularly check these areas looking for spots
00:52:26
along his route his trolling route that that include pay phones that include soda machines or places where victims
00:52:33
May potentially stop at a rest area here John Philbin goes as far as suggests that
00:52:39
it would be interesting to learn of who would service these machines the pay phones or the
00:52:46
soda machines the vending machines yeah or similar to like the BTK I believe BTK
00:52:52
or Dennis Rader got his job with ADT because it gave him the opportunity to hunt
00:53:02
when he was working and so like you said is somebody servicing these pay phones or servicing
00:53:09
these vending machines or possibly even cleaning these locations the rest stops or
00:53:20
convenience stores or or even maybe trash pickup or multiple different jobs that would allow this individual to
00:53:28
be trolling or hunting for a victim and you're right with BTK that job with ADT gives him Insight gives him Intel into
00:53:38
people's homes and their concerns with their own safety while they're at home and that's very interesting it's
00:53:48
it's like on the job training right where he's out there he's getting a job and doing a job that he's getting paid
00:53:55
for but at the same time he's getting Intel and he's getting insights into things that of his Fantasy Life right of
00:54:02
his cubed life of the cubed version of Dennis Rader the one that wants to gain access to somebody's home and then
00:54:13
kill whoever he finds inside we also don't know how large the hunting ground was because there
00:54:21
could be a difference between the hunting ground and the dump sites so there could be a a smaller area where
00:54:31
this person can go out oh I'm I'm going to tell my wife I'm going to the store real quick to to pick up a couple items
00:54:41
but I can drive around for about 30 to 40 minutes without her suspecting that I'm doing this
00:54:48
I think he would get off on the hunting as much as he did the actual killings I think you're right and I
00:54:58
think that there's plenty of evidence to suggest that you're right in this case here they also list a case against a
00:55:06
Serial offender and here are some of the items they suggest that would say hey these are not all connected we're not
00:55:14
looking at at one killer who's committed all of these crimes so and they point out that in the past 20 years the
00:55:20
Vermont and New Hampshire State Police have officially declared their opinion that these attacks could not all be
00:55:26
related one case to be made was that all of the women LED very different Lifestyles had
00:55:33
different appearances and were a variety of Ages they go on to point out that serial
00:55:39
killers often work within a particular group such as young women with blonde hair another concern was the timing even
00:55:47
if a few attacks were related and occurred within a short amount of time what could explain the long gap between
00:55:54
the killing of Millikin and then critchley but then a very abbreviated period of
00:56:01
attack between the other women to sum these attacks off the timeline seemed unrelated to the three attacks
00:56:10
that occurred in just one year and two months in Claremont New Hampshire finally one must question why so many
00:56:17
different suspects have Arisen with different physical attributes the person believed to be involved with Linda
00:56:24
Moore's attack was described as having dark hair and then in some of these cases we have a suspect that is
00:56:32
described as having blonde or light hair I think that the this list here is a little problematic I I like that it was
00:56:41
put together and to be honest with you if someone asked me to create such a list I would put together the exact same
00:56:46
list of a case against a serial killer however we keep referencing BTK and that's not
00:56:54
by mistake that's because you and I are in you and hopefully I'm not talking out
00:56:59
of turn here Captain but from our conversations about this potential serial killer here right I've already
00:57:07
stated I do not think that all of these cases are connected I think that likely some of them are
00:57:13
the the result of one single killer however it's not by mistake that we're referencing BTK because if you look at
00:57:25
the extended profile of this individual it aligns with that of somebody like Dennis Rader BTK somebody that is not
00:57:36
just fits into the general public but is a part of the public it is a part of the community
00:57:42
could be a father could be a husband and a father probably works a job may maybe
00:57:48
even attends church and is a member of their Community an active member in their Community I think
00:57:56
that there's a chance of a chance for that here I also think that there could be reasons that would explain away why
00:58:04
you have these weird gaps in The Killing so we know with Dennis Rader he took gaps in his killings and a lot of it had
00:58:12
to do just with what was going on in his regular life in his normal person life right that that life got in the way of
00:58:20
his Hobby and his hobby was hunting and killing and we know that with Gary Ridgeway the Green River Killer that
00:58:28
happened with him as well you know he went through a couple of different marriages and when he was in love and in
00:58:35
the early stages of his marriage he wasn't out hunting and killing and we've also reviewed other serial killers
00:58:43
and other offenders that only offended when their wife was pregnant or when they were triggered by something
00:58:52
some event in their normal life they were laid off from a job and and because they had nothing to do for six weeks
00:58:58
they managed to kill two people in a six-week window where they had only killed one person a year leading up to
00:59:05
that or well so I've seen with a lot of different serial killers is they they kill somebody and then they tell
00:59:12
themselves they're not going to do it anymore and they're not going to succumb to these urges that they have so that it
00:59:19
was just a mistake it was a one-time thing I'll never do it again I lost control right so this whole to me it's
00:59:25
poppycock every I'd say not every but I would say the majority the majority high
00:59:33
percentage of serial killers have gaps in their killings so to me it's a poppycock statement
00:59:39
I think where I fall is a little differently than than where you're at I think that
00:59:47
traditionally the the killers that I have reviewed they tend to kill and then they increase the frequency in which
00:59:56
they kill but at the same time they're they're also going off the rails they're losing control of themselves while they
01:00:02
might be getting better in the early stages with the first handful of victims right eventually they start to go off
01:00:08
the rails and they're losing control of themselves and start to create a whole lot of mistakes and then they get caught
01:00:14
the problem with applying that here is if in fact the serial killer is responsible for the majority of these
01:00:21
cases we're talking about a killer that has not got caught right somebody that is different from those that do get
01:00:28
caught so I think when you review this list of a case against a potential serial killer you could easily take
01:00:38
serial killers that we've reviewed here on the show and otherwise and look at this and say yes while all of these
01:00:46
items certainly do present a case against a serial killer you could then argue okay well here's three examples or
01:00:53
five examples of why it fits with this this other type of killer that we know about that we caught that that we are
01:01:02
fully aware of who he was what he did and who his victims were right but I I'd make an argument look I agree with you
01:01:10
yes there's a lot of killers that you can look at that they kill somebody and then
01:01:16
then there's a Time Gap then they kill somebody else and there's a Time Gap and then eventually those gaps become
01:01:23
smaller and smaller that happens a lot of the time but I would still argue that before
01:01:30
that urge and we've heard it from Dahmer we've heard it from Bundy some of these guys go look at some point
01:01:38
it just got to the point where I'm not going to fight it anymore I am what I am and I'm just going to do this
01:01:45
and I'm just going to go full full board but I would argue before that moment that you can find gaps and all of all of
01:01:56
their killings that brings us to another interesting question are the victims that we discussed are
01:02:01
they all the potential victims of the Connecticut River Valley killer now if you do some digging on this case
01:02:09
there are at least five other cases that some people include as part of this series
01:02:16
there's one still unsolved case way back in 1968 then there's an elderly woman in
01:02:22
1982 there's even a male victim in 86 we have unidentified remains found in 1989
01:02:30
and then we have the Cold Case of Carrie Moss of New Boston who went missing in 1989 and then her skeletal remains were
01:02:39
found almost exactly two years later a cause of death in her case has never been determined due to decomposition her
01:02:46
case has been treated as a homicide though now one thing here Captain due to time constraints and due to the fact
01:02:55
that we already agree as do so many others that when you review this list of seven or eight victims and it gets hard
01:03:02
to quickly discern who is connected and who is not it seemed a little rambunctious to me to
01:03:11
try to dissect all of these other five cases the male victim seems to be an outlier where it doesn't seem to fit
01:03:19
just because of the victimology and then the first one 1968 may just be way too early in the series
01:03:28
and then you have the complications with the cases in 1989 uh with the the unidentified remains and then the cause
01:03:37
of death unknown in the Carrie Moss case one again we don't know if these killings just stopped or if this killer
01:03:44
relocated and for armchair detectives out there that want to do a little further digging themselves the New
01:03:51
Hampshire Department of Justice has a victim map that is helpful it's not limited to the river valley case
01:03:59
but if you go to doj.nh.gov you can navigate from there to the interactive victim map and a victim list
01:04:11
for New Hampshire homicides and missing persons cases should someone want to troll that map
01:04:17
and see if any other New Hampshire homicides fit into this potential series [Music]
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I want to thank everybody for joining us here in the garage so much more to get to in part two so stick around why don't
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you and until then be good be kind and don't litter thank you [Music]