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you about Jennifer Cassie it's time to bring Jennifer kessie home if you have any information about where Jennifer is
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who has taken her or the person of interest please contact the lawyer immediately
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interest there is a reward for information that leads to the whereabouts of Jennifer or the person of
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interest please do the right thing please do the right thing [Music] [Music] in regards to The Disappearance and
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Abduction of Jennifer Cassie Sergeant Barbara Jones of the Orlando Police Department had this to say quote we
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established a timeline of Monday when she last talked to Rob which was about 10 pm to Thursday at around 806 when a
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resident of that condominium complex located her car so that's about a 58-hour window
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she goes on to say we did obtain some video surveillance at the Condominiums where her vehicle was found and that
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surveillance video depicted a picture of a pedestrian which we're classifying as
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a person of interest that video was taken on Tuesday the 24th at around 12 noon so Monday at 10 pm until the following
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day at 12 noon is the time frame where we had that pedestrian who is a person of interest in this case that we're
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desperately trying to find out who that is to see what they know about possibly the whereabouts of Jennifer Cassie this
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has been one of the big questions in this case so let's take a look at the possibilities of a nighttime abduction
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versus morning abduction when exactly Jennifer was taken is an extremely divisive subject in this case there are
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two schools of thought and both we discussed a bit last week and more importantly both have evidence backing
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them up this is one of the biggest mysteries wrapped inside this larger mystery when you have a big fat Blank
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Spot in your timeline it is so key and instrumental to the investigation that you shrink that window of time a bit
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squeeze the breeze and close that window a little so now we are looking at a 14-hour window for the purpose of her
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vehicle but more like just under 13 hours when you factor in the important 11 A.M meeting she planned on attending
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at work that day and then very likely all the way to 7 45 a.m when she should have been leaving for work to get there
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at 8 am now Captain it seems obvious that the kessies continue to believe that Jennifer was abducted in the
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morning as she left for work and there is quite a bit of evidence to support this Theory yeah let's go through this
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evidence okay so one thing we have to factor in is Jennifer told Rob on the phone the night before that she was
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already in bed the other item is we have a wet shower damp towel which show so many people say
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that this is proof that she showered in the morning just before the time that she would usually leave for work right
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Jen's contact lenses were missing and her glasses were on the sink implying that she woke up that morning took off
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the glasses during the portion of getting ready for work she applies her contact lenses
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the bathroom sink we find her makeup and hair dryer was out on the countertop her
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pajamas were on the floor the bed had been slept in or at the very least was unmade we do have to factor
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some other things in regarding an unmade bed but but I think it's somewhat fair to say that Logan and his friends who
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stayed there that weekend before leaving an unmade bed at her condo when she was
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so nice to let them stay there would be would just be rude or disrespectful to to the owner of the condo right and
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Monday night was her first night back so if someone was in the bed it almost certainly had to be her the work clothes
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that she had there were two outfits laid out that were found on the bed and these were closed these were outfits
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that would match the missing shoes those the shoes that she was so proud of her mother says look she's trying to pair
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outfits with with her shoes that she wanted to wear to work that day she told me she was going to be wearing these
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shoes to work that day yeah this is business casual outfits not something you'd think that should wear at night so
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all of these things point to Jennifer going to bed on Monday night waking up on Tuesday going about her normal
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morning routine and then Vanishing before she ever made it to the office that day by this Theory someone would
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have been waiting for her outside of her condo or possibly at the bottom of the stairs knowing that she would come down
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immediately this calls to mind the Jody husintruit case we covered in episodes 208-209
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but unlike Jody Jennifer was not heard screaming she didn't drop all of her things on the ground and there were no
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drag marks the more popular belief is that she was abducted at or in her vehicle if someone was waiting for her
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and she unlocked the car mind you she's juggling all of these items that she has
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with her her phone Travis's phone her briefcase and her purse someone could have tasered or chloroformed her and
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shoved her in the vehicle and drove off or as she unlocked her car and went to load her stuff in a van could have
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pulled up and hauled her in and someone else drive her car away to make it look like she had left
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if either of these two things are what happened whoever took Jennifer must have known that no one was likely to be
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around to witness this abduction keep in mind this was broad daylight when Jen usually left for work and taking her
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from a visible parking lot is quite risky on the other hand there are strong proponents of the theory that Jennifer
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was abducted at night as we said the Orlando Police Department at least initially embraced this Theory saying
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that her cell phone seemed to be on the Move late Monday night perhaps she had gone out to find a FedEx location to
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send Travis's phone although she had told Logan her brother that she would mail it on Tuesday
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the Cassie say there is no way that she would have gone out and that this would have happened but one thing that Drew
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Cassie alluded to does bolster the nighttime abduction Theory he said that while Jennifer was on the
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phone that Monday night someone knocked on her door Jennifer looked through the peephole and
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said that it was the male neighbor and that she was going she wasn't going to open the door
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but this story is very strange for one thing we know that Jennifer didn't really have many neighbors keep in mind
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this condominium complex it's about half empty at this time right by some reports
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only two people lived in her wing of that building this also goes along with the fact that
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nobody heard a scream there might not have been anybody there to hear a scream yeah the old
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if a tree falls in the woods situation right and for someone as safety conscious as Jen it's a little bizarre
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that she didn't make more of this incident the knocking on the door at night this has led to much speculation that
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Jennifer knew who was at the door and maybe possibly lied to whomever she was talking to which I believe was Rob at
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this time perhaps then letting the person in because she knows them but not wanting to tell her boyfriend
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hey this person I know is at the door and I'm I'm letting them in at night yeah well and you also wonder too if she
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let her brother and his friends stay at her condo is this just the neighbor coming by to
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check in on her or tell her that they were Rowdy or tell her that there was no problems with
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them all weekend so here's the thing that I think we should address before we move on too far is
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we are hearing this story of someone knocking on her door Monday night around 10 o'clock or just after 10 o'clock
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basically third or fourth Hand by this point we're hearing it from her father who is discussing a conversation she was
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I believe to have been having with somebody else with Ron so we're getting this information from
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Rob to Drew and then Drew her father is passing it along to the public and one thing that I heard when this was
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discussed was a reference to not only that this was a a male neighbor but I believe that at one time Drew used
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the the words or the sentence Oh it must be the man upstairs you know like a neighbor man that lived above her
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and I got to thinking about this Captain I wonder having lived in apartments and
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you've lived in apartments and we lived in one together and remember I would always blast my music and jerk I didn't
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mean to be a jerk but I was I was insensitive to those around us and therefore I tried to become friends with
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the one neighbor who I was bothering the most with the the loud music yeah so we
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were on a first name basis with him as he was often reminding me could you please turn down the music it's late at
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night where my mind kind of goes with this is sometimes when we lived in our apartment
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you would hear a knock and assume that it was coming that someone was knocking on your door then you go and you look
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through the peephole and there's nobody there and then you figure it out you put
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it together you're like oh I'm hearing somebody knock on the neighbor's door I wonder if
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if there's a chance that no one was there and that that statement that Jennifer made was just interpreted wrong
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is there a chance that she is on the phone middle of the conversation goes up I think I just heard somebody knock at
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the door gets up looks at the people there's no one there but her statement is oh it must be the man upstairs I'm
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not going to open up the door right well it must be the man upstairs May mean she
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thinks that the knock is on the neighbor's door upstairs I'm not going to open the door and this is really just
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nothing that has to do with her disappearance at all right or like you said it's somebody else and she's
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telling her boyfriend it's just the neighbor right this really cute guy just knocked on my
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door yummy now another fact that could add to the nighttime abduction theory is something that Joyce Cassie said and
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this was that a men's size medium banana republic sweater was found in Jennifer's
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laundry hamper under some other clothes now Rob her boyfriend was a size large he says this was not his sweater but
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there could be a possible explanation for this a very simple one it actually could have belonged to Jennifer even
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though it was a men's sweater many women buy men's clothing cozy casual laying around the house kind of thing or just
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for some kind of look that she was going for Jennifer keep in mind was five foot
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eight and 130 pounds so she probably I asked a few of our lady friends or my lady friends and several of them said
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that this would fit like a men's size medium that sweater could have belonged to some dude or it could have been
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belong to Jennifer and again just like the knock it could be something that has nothing to do with the case at all that
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it's not important it was found in her condo because that's where you would expect to find it if you knew it was
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hers the thing about all of this stuff uh especially the sweater let's let's dig through this sweater real quick
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because here's one one piece of of information that we do know that comes to mind
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we have her mother that she had conversations with Jennifer regarding outfits shoes we know that to be true
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right so what I'm thinking about here is when the parents and brother and brother's friend
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arrive at her condo and they're looking through her things and they're going oh this looks like a morning abduction or
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it looks like she went vanished sometime in the morning because it appears that she was getting ready for work we have
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two outfits right that are lying out they're they're prepped they're sitting there
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waiting for her to compare them to the shoes or consider wearing them to work that day if she did in fact get ready
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for work and left that day wearing those shoes that her mother says that she wanted to wear that day
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then there is an outfit missing what this tells me is that even though we have all of these conversations and her
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family knew her well she had lived on her own for quite some time her mother is not able to provide anybody saying
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this is the outfit that was missing from her condo right she was wearing something this is what was missing we
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don't have that so I wouldn't expect her parents to be able to provide us with a
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full inventory of all of her clothing I think very likely that this sweater just
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belongs to Jennifer Cassie yeah it also could be like an ex-boyfriend sweater that she just liked and kept
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kept around yeah many people have also suggested that because of Logan and Travis and then even her ex-boyfriend
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Matt visiting her condo that weekend before they've questioned could this just simply be one of their sweaters I
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think not because it seems to it seems too easy for one of those three young men to identify this as theirs right now
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the biggest reason we need to consider a possible nighttime abduction is Jennifer's cell phone now as we heard
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from Drew kessie police said based on cell tower ping evidence that Jennifer was out and about on that Monday night
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possibly even going to a sketchy area as they called it because her phone and Travis's phone were pinging on Towers
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indicating that she was out and about and it could indicate that she left sometime after that at phone call with
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Rob that night right let's keep in mind this was 2006. before cell tracking technology
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was as sophisticated as it is today it was hardly an exact science as we know from cereal
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but the pings pointed out by the Orlando Police Department made no sense and this
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is according to Drew Cassie he stated that the Orlando Police Department ping results should be completely disregarded
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apparently they showed Jennifer's phone pinging on two separate Towers miles apart at almost the exact same time
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right obviously this could not accurately reflect the whereabouts of her phone since she could not be in two
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places at once according to Drew Verizon had the pings happening quote all over the place
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further the Orlando Police Department told Drew kessie at one point that Jen's phone and Travis's phone appear to have
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been powered down or had the batteries removed sometime around 10 40 or 10 50 pm on Monday night we can only presume
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that the Orlando Police Department believed this because the phones stopped pinging at this time but they have since
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backed off of this time frame the police department and the Cassis said Jen never turned her
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phone off she always charged it and it had it and had it with her this is a this is a difficult thing here and I
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would love to know the science behind it not so much the science behind it on current cell phones
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on her phone and the activity that we could expect from her phone that she was using back in 2006 would the phone still
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ping when shut off does it only stop pinging once the battery is completely removed because
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I've heard the kessie say time and time again that they believe that Jennifer would have used her phone for an alarm
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clock that she very likely would not have shut her phone off right again she lived on her own for quite some time I'm
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just recalling back to 2005 and 2006 and seven for me and thinking about cell phones as they were and as they were
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used back then by by a lot of us it was much different than how we use our phones today we we reached for them for
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almost everything today back then it wasn't so much the case I mean we know that Jennifer had a landline because her
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cell phone was not great it was spotty at best once inside her condo yeah which is super old school well it's it's old
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school for today but not in 2006 I had a landline up until I believe 2007. and and to top that off I can recall even in
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2007 and eight still using an alarm clock and because we didn't trust our cell phones back
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then the way that we do now you know I remember I lived in Columbus Ohio it's a major city my cell phone that I had back
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then barely worked inside my home if I went down to the basement NADA couldn't do anything with it down in the
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basement but you know as far as reception goes and so I almost feel like this is a time when people are still
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using landlines we know she was using one this is a time when people were still using alarm clocks I'd like to
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know if she if they had Financial records of her because all I could think is like she
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was getting ready for bed she's in bed other than maybe letting somebody into the house what would be her motivation
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to leave you know maybe other than this FedEx box well let me drop off this phone in the FedEx box
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I don't buy that she would do that if I I think she'd just do that at work but I
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think you know Steak and Shake pretty late at night can get me to go out of my house
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true that or sometimes like you get a hankering for a blizzard and you decide at 11 o'clock to go to Dairy
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Queen so now on on the the the opposite end of that where they where the parents say
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hey she wouldn't have turned off her phone she wouldn't have done this she wouldn't have done that one thing that
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they say is she would not have left they but they believe from what they know of their daughter
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that once she was in for the night she was in for the night and you brought up the FedEx
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thing with the cell phone with Travis's cell phone and that is what is brought up the most the problem with this is 10
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o'clock at night there's not a FedEx store open at that time right Jennifer smart she knows what's going on she's
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going to be aware of this she's not going out looking for a FedEx store at 10 o'clock at night now you said
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something interesting there what if it's just a Dropbox that she's looking for I
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guess she could have brought some materials home from work or whatever to to prep that box and drop it off
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somewhere again and I know everything isn't in you know I can't relate everything to our own personal life
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experiences but at my work for years we had stamps.com and once I had that in my
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life at work I wasn't going out and making special trips to ship anything man right I only ship stuff Monday
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through Friday when I was at work and our work encouraged us to use it yeah we had to use our own money for it but it
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was so convenient you're not making an extra trip anywhere you have to be there for work anyway and
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the thing is she would have found the phone if I understand the way that her Monday went
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she very likely would have been unaware that Travis's phone would be found in her condo until she was already on her
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way home from work on that Monday because we know that she kind of got stuck on this trip they couldn't fly back to
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where they wanted to fly to and she had to drive from from that location right into work that day work a regular day
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and then on her way home she has a conversation with her parents and then has a conversation with her brother
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Logan I am of the belief that that is when Logan informed her hey my buddy Travis You Know Travis he left his cell
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phone at your condo could you ship it to him so if she doesn't know about this thing until she's already on her way
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home she wouldn't have known to bring any boxes or or any shipping materials with
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her home right so it just seems so unlikely and then the other Factor too is Rob is saying that she said I'm in
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bed I almost feel like Captain that this 1040 or 1050 P.M Monday night with the phones being
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powered off I have two major thoughts on this one could be that she just in fact
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shut them off and they they no longer performed any ping activity after that took place right why would she do that
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you don't want to be disturbed when you're trying to sleep maybe she has an alarm clock alright you don't know what
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kind of activity Travis's phone is going to have too right when you're trying to
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sleep and you got to go to your work the next day so maybe she did just in fact power them
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off the other question I have is we are hearing this second or third fourth hand
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however you want to take it and we have been told by Drew Cassie that this information was relayed to them by
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the Orlando Police Department that at that time early on in the investigation they thought something happened that
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night and they were using this ping technology or their lack of understanding of the
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Ping technology at the time to support that theory he is saying not only did did we have this conversation but they
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had the conversation with me and my family and when we left that meeting the three of us both had different opinions
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on exactly what they were trying to tell us he also says that they did walk that
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back a little bit in future discussions with the family so where my head goes is
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there a chance and we've seen this in some other cases where officers looking to provide a
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timeline an accurate timeline for the events of what took place they're reaching out to Verizon into the
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to these cell phone companies to get information and sometimes there's a something gets lost in translation
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is it possible that this could be 10 40 AM or 10 50 a.m it could be something as
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simple as that so it's interesting to look through this and I think that what we really have to
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hone in on is that it appears to me from everything we're being told by Drew Cassie that the Ping information is very
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likely inaccurate so it's really hard to know how much value to put on this information the Cassis believe the phone
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information is absolutely useless as there is no way to know what is correct and what is not
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we know that Jen's family says there is no way that she would have gotten dressed after telling Rob she was going
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to bed and heading out with Travis's phone that's the other weird thing if she goes out why would she if she's not
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going to FedEx why would she bother to even take Travis's phone with her right unless it you know people point out well
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maybe it was already in the car in her briefcase for the next day yeah we don't know but it seems like a lot of things
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have to line up for this to to be a real thing the thing the thing here though is
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there's one more possibility surrounding a possible nighttime abduction Drew kessie stated on the unconcluded podcast
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that a set of keys to the condos had been stolen the month before and the manager's office had a key making
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machine that could be easily accessed by just about anybody Drew told Jennifer to
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get her locks changed but she hadn't gone around to it it is theoretically possible that Jen
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was asleep that night and someone entered her apartment and took her managing to do so stealthily and without
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causing any disruption but they would also have had to have taken a briefcase work shoes both cell
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phones car keys purse iPod it it just seems crazy that somebody would go in and get her that night and determine all
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the things that should be missing from her condo that you would expect to be missing had she gotten ready for work
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and left the house on her own it it just seems like too much for the perpetrator to put together and then to
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top that off we know that the pepper spray was found on a countertop in her condo we know that even though the
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security system was not being used at that time by her there was a panic button there was a panic button in her
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bedroom this seems like I get it that the daytime parking lot abduction seems risky but even somebody that could have
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got into her condo then you have to deal with the fact that she she could try to
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defend herself with the pepper spray she could grab anything for a weapon in her
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condo and she could hit that panic button none of that happened [Music] foreign [Music]
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cheers mates don't be rude to your neighbors be nice try to play nice in the sandbox
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we need to give the Orlando Police Department some credit here right we were you talk about being rude we might
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have been a little rude to them last week but where they showed a lot of effort was these searches for Jennifer
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Cassie now we cannot go through all of the searches that were conducted over the years as the Orlando Police
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Department pursued every tip and Lead that came in over 1 000 leads have been investigated in this case Drew kessie
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has said many times that the Orlando Police Department was fantastic at following up on tips jumping into action
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and conducting major searches when credible tips came in and there have been many but he said the Orlando Police
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Department completely failed to actually generate any leads themselves he believes that this is why Jennifer's
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case is where it stands today which is unsolved once the Cassies convinced the Orlando
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Police Department that Jennifer had not willingly disappeared the usual searches
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were conducted this started with the areas in a five mile radius surrounding Mosaic at Millennia and the Huntington
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on the green where grid searches conducted by officers volunteers dogs and people on Horseback this included
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major roads these took place over the course of several days the area search was bounded by Texas Avenue Orange
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Blossom Trail Oak Ridge Road and Holden Avenue at one point one thousand two hundred
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volunteers were involved in a search engineered by child watch of North America the wooded areas between the Mosaic and
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Millennia and the Huntington on the green were searched including a wooded area near Huntington on the green where
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a scent was found storage closets in Jennifer's building were also searched we do not know
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whether the large pond at the complex was scoured but knowing the kessies they likely demanded that it be searched
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empty condos in the building were inspected but it is not believed that forensic tests were conducted on any of
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them the Orlando PD conducted several door-to-door knock inquiries at both Huntington on the green and the Mosaic
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at Millennia right but they they processed her car but you said last week that they didn't process her apartment
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correct and I'm not saying that they are right in doing so or going about it this
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way but I think that this is why they process one and not the other keep in mind when her family first
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discovers that Jennifer is missing the police don't really believe that anything nefarious took place they think
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she just got mad at her boyfriend she took off for a little bit she's going to be back
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so we have people coming and going from her condo before they believe that they need to
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process this condo unit right but they shouldn't assume I guess in any investigation you shouldn't start off by
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assuming anything well here's where they may have made a good assumption when they found the vehicle they
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immediately went okay now we're on board because we found her vehicle we thought
00:33:15
she just took off why are we finding her vehicle and not her and on top of it I think it's even more suspicious that
00:33:21
it's found within walking distance of her condo complex right and it's just a worse area so immediately they believe
00:33:29
that wherever she is like the answers and where Jennifer kessie is at this point in our case the infant stages of
00:33:37
the case we believe the car is the key this is the map this is going to tell us either what happened or where she is or
00:33:45
or who is responsible so the vehicle itself was processed now one of the popular theories out there is that she
00:33:54
could have been carjacked or she was taken after she was in her vehicle as we discussed last week captain
00:34:03
eventually they released this vehicle it was turned back in and it was turned back into the bank because it was it was
00:34:10
not paid for it was a leased vehicle personally I believe here that if if the police department if they found anything
00:34:19
anything in there to suggest that that is where the abduction took place or that unfortunately
00:34:25
I hate to say these things out loud but these are the things we have to discuss or she was killed in that vehicle right
00:34:30
or stored in that vehicle for any length of time I'm not so sure that they would
00:34:35
release that vehicle that to me almost indicates that at least they don't believe that something major took place
00:34:42
inside that car right continuing on with some of these searches we have the local
00:34:48
news reported that a search of heavily wooded areas near the Huntington on the green was searched this is in January of
00:34:55
the same month that she went missing January 30th they State here that Ascent was picked up in the woods
00:35:01
tips alleging where Jennifer could be found led to scores of searches including an abandoned Hotel a vacant
00:35:09
timeshare complex a retention Pond that was drained and so on and so on after police picked up on Street rumors and
00:35:17
received a credible tip that Jen was alive and being held against her will at a boarding house on Fourth I'm sorry
00:35:24
40th Street in Oak Ridge this is 2.6 miles away from where she lived this home was invaded on February 12th
00:35:33
by a SWAT team they're looking for Jennifer they're looking for any evidence that she would have been there
00:35:39
before this date nothing was found there was no evidence that she had ever been there at all the location was near
00:35:46
Huntington on the green and it was owned by somebody with more than 20 arrests I don't have what this person's
00:35:56
arrest history is but just noted that 20 arrests in 2008 Texas equiseearch arrived in
00:36:04
Orlando this was to help search for Kaylee Anthony but they also conducted a search of the woods near Mosaic they too
00:36:13
found nothing in 2009 there was also a massive search that was conducted it was a fruitless search it came in by way of
00:36:21
tip but in 2010 Orlando PD received a credible tip about an overgrown field this is located on Orange Blossom Trail
00:36:30
near Oak Ridge Road which is now the site of a Walmart not too far from Huntington on the green cadaver dogs hit
00:36:39
on a spot here and the Orlando Police Department used backhoes sifters and ground penetrating radar this search was
00:36:48
one of the more significant ones that renewed the kessie's hope that Jen would be discovered but it came
00:36:56
but nothing came of it we should note here that multiple online sleuths have posted that this search location was
00:37:04
very close to where one of the known suspects and we'll call him Adam for now he resided
00:37:14
near this area around this time or at the time of her abduction now there was no way for me to verify that I was
00:37:22
unable to verify that he actually lived near this location at the time of the abduction
00:37:27
in 2012 there was also another major search and then in 2015 the kessie family received a tip that Jennifer was
00:37:35
buried in a national park near Miami this again was another massive search using Land Air and sea vessels
00:37:42
unfortunately nothing was found yeah and think about the emotional roller coaster
00:37:48
the family has to go on you'd think that there's a solid lead you you go through
00:37:53
the proper channels to get a proper search and then you find nothing yeah a lot of these searches look like
00:38:00
something was going to come of it and then we also have statements that have been made to lead us to believe that
00:38:06
something promising was coming from the investigation itself right so we have one of the detectives on the case made
00:38:13
public statements sometime around mid-February of 2006 that the Jennifer kessie case would be coming to a
00:38:20
conclusion within the next week or so he said that they had viable evidence and were tracking down certain transients
00:38:28
clearly since it's now almost 14 years later and one thousand dead end leads later he was
00:38:36
speaking out of turn right right Drew Cassie told a reporter in 2009 that the police had thought they found the driver
00:38:43
of the car of Jennifer's car who parked it at the Huntington on the green but they were they were wrong and so the
00:38:51
search continues there have been some using air quotes here captain sightings of Jennifer Cassie over the
00:39:01
years yeah there's been a lot that has been reported there's been a lot that have
00:39:06
been called in there were a lot that were featured on the unconcluded podcast unfortunately it's very time consuming
00:39:14
to go through these possible sightings and really to me I don't want to I don't want to feel like I'm doing anybody a
00:39:22
disservice here but I feel like I'd be doing you a disservice if we go through all of these because they don't seem to
00:39:27
be credible at all in my opinion I agree in April of 2006 the man who owns the company that Jennifer kessie worked for
00:39:37
David Siegel he put up 250 000 as a reward in her case and then the following year he decided to raise this
00:39:47
amount all the way up to one million dollars wow this comes with the stipulation though for if you want to
00:39:53
get the one million dollars he's stating you need to tell us where she is we need
00:39:58
to find her and she needs to be alive now no one ever has claimed any of this money
00:40:04
the FBI did get involved in her case this was in 2010 four years after Jennifer vanished when they became
00:40:11
involved this was at the request of Drew and Joyce Cassie I'm guessing that they
00:40:17
probably were requesting this for quite some time before it actually took action
00:40:23
the feds agreed to review the evidence that the Orlando Police Department had compiled up to that date
00:40:30
they also brought in Logan her brother and Drew her father they brought them in for questioning and they gave Logan a
00:40:38
lie detector test Drew offered to take one as well but they declined I'm just kind of trying to read between
00:40:45
the lines here of why they would decline that my guess would be that one one here's what we do know
00:40:55
once she was reported missing or or told to the family that nobody could find her
00:41:00
she wasn't at work wasn't where she was supposed to be couldn't get a hold of her couldn't find her at her condo and
00:41:06
her vehicle was missing from her parking spot her parents and her brother and her
00:41:11
brother's friend friend jumped into action right at that time they had to make a very long drive to get to her
00:41:18
condo complex the reason why I think Drew is of less importance for the investigation is
00:41:25
because there's no way for him to be a suspect there's no way for him to have moved that car moved her car and also be
00:41:36
driving to her condo at that exact same time right same goes for Logan who we know was in route as well but why do you
00:41:44
let him take the lie detector test and not really go into one with the father well you don't really need the father to
00:41:52
do one so much if you get what you wanted from Logan and where I'm going with this Captain is
00:41:58
I would think as an investigator at that time that the people that I should possibly be looking at might be the two
00:42:07
friends of Logan's and if he is able to provide them with answers regarding Matt and regarding
00:42:14
Travis and the FBI are going well neither Matt nor Travis look so good at this time we don't know what additional
00:42:21
information Drew could provide us at this time regarding those two individuals and maybe they don't like
00:42:26
those two individuals after they get done talking to Logan they don't like them thank you we don't know what else was
00:42:34
done in these regards regarding the FBI but essentially the FBI only reviewed the case and made some recommendations
00:42:41
to the Orlando Police Department regarding how that agency should proceed from there
00:42:48
now by February 2011 the FBI announced that it was ending its involvement in the Jennifer kessie case Drew kessie
00:42:57
said that they told him quote your daughter seems to have vanished we do not know exactly why or how and we
00:43:04
really have nothing to go on end quote yeah it seems the more we do this show the more we hear about individuals just
00:43:15
disappearing Into Thin Air almost we have some suspects that we can discuss here captain and I think there's some
00:43:21
that we can clear off along the way there are some certainly that look better than others in this case
00:43:28
first let's discuss who everybody would kind of make the leap to immediately in this case is Jennifer's boyfriend right
00:43:38
Rob Allen as we discuss the Orlando Police Department looked at Rob as someone who
00:43:44
might be connected to Jennifer's case however Rob cooperated fully with the investigation in fact he contacted the
00:43:53
Orlando Police Department detectives on Jennifer's case before they called him he submitted DNA took polygraphs and
00:44:01
gave countless interviews to police his Alibi by the way for Tuesday the 24th is
00:44:07
that he was at work and this checks out now we should keep in mind that this assumes a daytime abduction Rob could in
00:44:17
theory have drove all the way up to Orlando after their 10 pm phone call and got into the condo abducted got rid of
00:44:28
Jennifer and then got to work back in Fort Lauderdale in time right but also doesn't look like the suspect driving
00:44:35
the vehicle that's correct in addition to this his cell phone usage shows that he was in Fort Lauderdale in the time
00:44:42
frame in which Jennifer went missing he from my understanding is considered to be cleared
00:44:50
Rob is still close to this day with the kessies and still helps out as much as he can in finding Jennifer by
00:44:57
participating in TV shows and articles regarding her case we also can bring up Drew and Logan
00:45:04
Cassie father and brother it's you know we've already kind of gone through this so I don't think that we
00:45:12
need to dive into this one too much more right because these are two loving family members
00:45:19
they don't seem to be any way involved in the Abduction of their sister or daughter Logan was polygraphed by the
00:45:26
FBI as we mentioned when it commenced a review on the case in 2010 Drew offered to be polygraph but they didn't take him
00:45:33
up on it both men were eager to do whatever necessary to not only rule themselves out but to move on and help
00:45:41
the Orlando Police Department move on with their investigation well in a lot of these cases that somebody just goes
00:45:47
missing or disappears Into Thin Air there's normally a time where family members might act a little strange I
00:45:56
don't think you see that in this case right if anything that you see not only are the parents acting
00:46:04
um in the manner that you think they should but almost the way you wish all parents would act in these
00:46:12
situations they're they're leading the charge yeah and it's all it's as you just said that if I were to go missing
00:46:20
this is how you would want somebody to react and to hold on to your case and lead the charge to find you right
00:46:27
one person who the police looked very hard at was Jennifer's ex-boyfriend Matt Sullivan he's remember he's a friend of
00:46:35
Logan's they had been broken up for well over a year by the time she went missing but
00:46:42
remember that Matt was in Jennifer's condo while she was in Saint Croix hanging out with Logan and Travis
00:46:49
Drew kessie has said repeatedly that Matt did not easily get over the breakup and that he tried to get back together
00:46:58
with her on more than one occasion we have seen reports that by the time Jennifer vanished in 2006 that Matt had
00:47:06
actually moved on and was dating someone else yeah but at least initially he was
00:47:12
not happy about this breakup Logan Cassie said that the Orlando PD quote put Matt through the ringer end quote
00:47:20
this is probably because not only was Matt at Jen's place that weekend the weekend before she went missing but on
00:47:27
Monday night the 23rd when many people believe that it's possible that she was taken
00:47:33
that night Matt was at a bar across the street right from the Mosaic at Millennia
00:47:42
now we should point out here this was not just some dive bar that nobody ever goes in this was a very popular bar
00:47:50
called the Blue Martini according to Drew Cassie reports were that Matt was very drunk that night and
00:47:58
he lived he lived about 30 minutes away so let's keep that in mind because that that looks Uber suspicious when you hear
00:48:08
all Logan and Travis and the kessie family live two hours away yeah or three hours away I'm sorry whatever
00:48:17
it may be that's a much bigger distance than Matt Matt lived somewhat in the Orlando area he lives only about 30
00:48:24
minutes away from Jennifer Cassie's condo and this bar which is across the street so what you're saying is this
00:48:31
guy's drunk pretty drunk at this bar yeah please 30 minutes from his home so he drove 30
00:48:37
minutes drunk that's not what I'm saying I don't know how he got home that night
00:48:45
what I can say is there are reports that he did return to his residence that night
00:48:51
and these reports are coming from his I believe he had two roommates at the time
00:48:57
right that were saying that he was home around 1 or 1 30 in the morning so it's one of those things Captain where it's
00:49:06
either suspicious or it's straight up a coincidence and it's easy to see why people have followed who have followed
00:49:14
Jennifer's case are very interested in Matt although we should point out that his
00:49:21
involvement seems to be 100 speculative if if he was across the street he could have called her that night and
00:49:28
said hey let me come over I'll grab Travis's phone and you know mail it for you because where
00:49:36
he lives doesn't help get the phone to Travis any faster right but we also have Jennifer's parents saying that they
00:49:44
don't find this to be likely they don't think that she would open the door for someone at night uh and possibly even if
00:49:52
it was Matt that they that she wouldn't open the door this is tricky though because we do have the statement about
00:49:57
the knock remember the knock on the door right that Drew kessie said happened when Jen was on the phone
00:50:04
Jen said it was a neighbor what if it was Matt and she didn't want to tell anyone because Matt was her ex right
00:50:09
that makes a lot of sense Matt would certainly be familiar with Jennifer's condo and possibly her routines
00:50:16
he could have killed her in an argument it doesn't have to be something that was
00:50:21
planned and staged the condo to look like she had gone to work on Tuesday it's certainly a theory that we can't
00:50:29
dismiss off hand but unconcluded reported that both Matt and his buddies he was with that night were questioned
00:50:37
they seem to have been cooperative and that Matt agreed to a polygraph although Orlando Police Department never followed
00:50:44
through on that and again they should have I think that's stupid I'm with you you have the opportunity to just take it
00:50:51
because maybe later you you find some stuff and you don't get the opportunity because he has to lawyer up
00:51:00
um but he also doesn't really look similar to the suspect driving her car either that's correct and there were
00:51:07
some reports early on that he was not at work the next day which could just mean that yeah he was
00:51:14
drunk and hung over and didn't make it to work the next day or could mean that he was busy cleaning up his mess from
00:51:19
the night before right the problem with that statement is we also have statements that say no that is incorrect
00:51:26
he was at work the next day the problem too that that I want to point out is a lot of people suggest and say that well
00:51:35
Matt looks good to me because he doesn't seem to be willing to discuss the case publicly or go on the record with you
00:51:43
know a newspaper or sit through an interview right and and be filmed who's willing to take a polygraph test he's
00:51:50
willing to take a polygraph test and everybody that is close to the case seems to be saying the same thing that
00:51:56
he was cooperating with police he Matt did at one time release a statement that said look early on in the
00:52:04
investigation when this became big news down in Florida I was willing to talk with newspapers or with with with the
00:52:13
news and media in general the time that I did do that the one time that I did do that they took my story
00:52:21
and twisted it all around when it finally came out and he he you know once bitten twice shy
00:52:28
he doesn't want to do another interview with the newspaper with media because he
00:52:33
feels like this could easily happen again that's that's the difficult thing too for the
00:52:39
public to keep in mind you can sit down and discuss the case or what you know or
00:52:44
don't know about the case of somebody that you know intimately somebody that you were on the inner circle of with the
00:52:51
media but after that interview is over you have you you are powerless on how they choose to release it on what they
00:53:00
choose to cut from your interview what they choose to include and sometimes even the order that they decide to
00:53:07
rearrange things I've always heard that if you're going to do an interview like that where where
00:53:13
it could be tricky for you later on in life the best thing to do is to record the interview yourself right even if
00:53:21
it's just audio and go that way you have something to to back your own back yourself up and say look they they
00:53:29
Twisted this whole thing up they're making me sound or they're making me look guilty when in fact these are my
00:53:36
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