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true crime Clinton had integrated a number of corrupt cops judges and politicians into
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high level positions to ensure the continued success of the drug smuggling money laundering operations all was
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going well until a fateful night in the fall of 1987 on August 22nd 1987 Kevin had spent
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the night with his friend Don Henry they left uh Don's home around 12:30 or quar
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till 1 uh on the 23rd of August in early morning hours and uh the next thing we knew they had been
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run over by a train there seems to be a small air strip in the area there have been sightings and uh reports of small
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airplanes flying very low with lights off in the area I believe they saw something they shouldn't have seen 3
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weeks later their deaths were ruled accidental by the state medical examiner fam Malik and um we disagree with that
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ruling uh because we thought the evidence pointed to homicide uh at that point we had a lot
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of questions and no answers uh and the facts didn't add up to what he was telling us so we decided
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to get a second opinion and uh met with resistance from all fronts both with our local law
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enforcement with State Crime Lab uh with everybody that we turned to um we obtained quar
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orders uh we requesting samples of everything that the crime lab had for a second opinion and uh fam
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Malik um resisted court orders uh he refused to obey them ultimately was proven that
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Don Henry had been stabbed in the back and Kevin I's skull had been crushed prior to the placement of their bodies
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on the railroad tracks however Malik stood by his ruling that the boys had simply fallen asleep on the tracks mik
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had been kept in office at the insistence of Governor Clinton for a number of years despite vigorous public
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outcry to have him removed as long as Malik's rulings pleased the governor's office or State
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Police they were left to stand no matter how implausible Malik's obvious lack of
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medical knowledge reached a pinnacle when he ruled that James milm who had been decapitated had died of natural
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causes yet Clinton who had the power to remove Malik from Office insisted he day there were allegations of tampering
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with evidence in murder cases uh there were allegations of perjury in different cases it didn't
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seem to matter what malet did Clinton uh protected him he made excuses such as he's
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overworked uh he's just stressed out he's underpaid uh they gave him a $144,000 raise which was an insult uh to my
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family as well as a lot of others in the state who um to this day are struggling
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with asinine rulings and the deaths of children and other loved ones I was outraged that protecting a political
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crony of Clinton's was more important than the fact that two young boys had been murdered Dan Harmon was just a
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local attorney in in the town of Benton Arkansas and uh after Don Henry and Kevin IES were killed and their bodies
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placed on the tracks and run over by a train he approached Linda IES and the Henry
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family about trying to help him he's a manipulator gives a great closing argument in court he's been trained for
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years to play the game he knows how to do it he's very good at it Mr Harmon can win your confidence
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make you think he's the greatest guy down the world he did that to Linda IES he helped lead them down a
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path that absolutely led to Nowhere on this case I got involved in the case and immediately harm and
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uh tried to discredit me without even knowing me couldn't figure it out I run across a
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young lady named Charlene Wilson who told a horror story that I didn't really believe at the
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time so I started searching for evidence to substantiate just part of what she had said Herman went
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bistic called he threatened me threatened Sheriff Pon threatened Captain Jean Donham the chief
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Deputy all because I talked to this one woman the people at the track that night to my knowledge were Dan Harmon
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Keith mccal Larry relle on Sunday August 23rd 1987 two teenage boys were run over by a train
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traveling through Bryant Arkansas What followed was an investigation by local law enforcement this is the s County
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Sheriff's Office who refused to investigate this as a possible homicide they saw no evidence of Foul Play but
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they weren't really looking for any uh publicly the Sheriff's Office spoke of the incident as though it were an
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accident and to the families of the two teenagers 17-year-old Kevin Ives and 16-year-old Don Henry they talked as if
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this were a likely suicide the medical examiner this is the captain's friend FY Malik ruled the deaths in accident due
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to marijuana intoxication well he ruled these deaths at accident due to his stupidity months after the deaths two
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men present themselves to the families of the boys this is Richard Garrett and he brings in Dan Harmon who is appointed
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as a special prosecutor in this matter working with the grand jury trying to piece together a double murder case and
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Garrett and Harmon will help out in this case they do get it overturned from an accidental death to a possible murder
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yeah yes and then they start investigating looking for the killer or killers of these two boys last week we
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took you through the night the two boys were run over the medical examiner's findings and even though the Sheriff's
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Office and the medical examiner both decided this was an accident we showed you a second autopsy which showed
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significant evidence that both boys were dead before they were placed on the tracks and that both boys were murdered
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and placed there so that their bodies and all other evidence would be destroyed and we can clearly see that
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Don was stabbed in the back and we also can see that Kevin was he had a skull fracture so somebody and we have
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eyewitnesses that saw uh possibly a police officer hitting him with a object in the face mhm probably the very rifle
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that the two boys were carrying that night very possible fluids in the body pointed toward a slower death for both
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and not a sudden death like that of a being run over by a train and I witness statements regarding the lack of blood
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and the color of the blood proving that the blood itself was not fresh we also talked about witness statements many of
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these given to the Arkansas State Police two witnesses placed Dan Harmon at the tracks the night that the boys died this
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is why the case is so odd is because you have this guy this prosecutor that comes
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forward and says hey you know this lawyer that says hey I can help this family I can bring some justice oh it
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was an accidental death it was a and we're going to find this person but then the more you dig you realize this person
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that's claiming they're going to help you they're they're the ones that people are saying it possibly is uh responsible
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for these murders yes exactly now we do have to introduce a man by the name of Barry seal Barry seal was a Gunrunner
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and a drug runner in the 80s uh Barry would arrange for privately owned planes to fly guns to Colombia and on return
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flights he was bringing drugs back into the United States at least one pilot has
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come forward who claimed to have many times flown a drug drop at the place where the boys had died some of the
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local law enforcement was in charge of securing these drops and just prior to Kevin and Don's deaths a drop at that
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location had gone missing so those local law enforcements that that were involved
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in this operation well they were on high alert they were waiting for somebody to
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try to steal that next drop and then that night Kevin Ives and Don Henry happened by let's get to each one of the
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eyewitnesses and what happened with them after they came forward with information
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well we should start off with the big one and this is Charlene Wilson she had the statement saying that the people at
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the tracks that night were Dan Harmon Keith mccal and Larry Rochelle she also said that she believed that the boys
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were watching the drop site and that they got curious about what was being dropped there well we know that Charlene
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Wilson she ends up in prison yeah and who puts her in prison uh our good friend Dan Harman right right well we
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got to put her in prison so she stops running her mouth right and the thing is the the thing that's crazy about her
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confession is that this was a confession that was she gave this confession written confession in her in her own in
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our own writing mhm and this is witnessed by three officials three law law enforcement officials and we know
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that because their signatures are on her confession well when I normally confess
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to something I do it in somebody else's handwriting well she confesses in front of these three people in
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1993 and then this confession goes nowhere none of these law enforcement officials do anything with this
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confession it's buried in the crime file right and in the case File and it's not
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discovered again until 2015 right does it play a little devil's advocate here though is it a coincidence though that
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she is put in jail by Dan Harmon you know put away to keep her quiet or is she coming out later saying oh he was
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involved in these murders which maybe he was maybe he wasn't we also had several
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witnesses who placed two palaski County officers this is Kirk Lane and Jay Campbell as not only being in the area
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where the boys were killed but as having been seen and I'll quote one of the witness's statements as beating the [ __ ]
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out of the two boys near the grocery store down by the tracks the first man was who we simply just know as Jerry who
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was described as a Mexican looking man in a dark blue Camaro right Jerry after telling Mike crook that he had witnessed
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the two boys being beat up and thrown into the back of an unmarked police car he went and told this story to sheriff
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Jim Ste now pay attention cuz that's a name that's going to come up several times Jim Ste was the Boss Hog at say
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County he was the sheriff he was running the Sheriff's Office Jim Ste threw Jerry
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into jail and locked him up for 90 days for unpaid child support the day that Jerry gets out of jail he tells Jim
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crook that he was told to leave town or else and that he was moving to California Jerry did leave town we don't
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know exactly where he went uh but he's not been seen again and Jim Crook's story was presented to the Arkansas
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State Police least several months after the fact and they made what I would argue to be no effort to identify this
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man that we only know as Jerry well first of all like I said sketchy Jerry you got to pay for your kids you know if
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you have child support pay for your damn kids right mhm that's one uh two who knows where he went off to uh it's it's
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a little weird it's definitely weird but uh it's weird too that obviously viously
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they had reason to lock him up mhm for the child support so they know his name MH and why they're you know maybe
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they're just not releasing into the public for his protection or maybe something Foul Play happened and they
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don't want that to be brought to life MH or does Jim Steed have a bigger role in
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this whole thing mhm the other witness was Ronnie Godwin who stated that he had observed two police officers beat up two
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boys at the grocery store the night Kevin and Don were killed Ronnie it was like a convenience store Ronnie Godwin
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gave his statement to the police and we should be very clear about this he gave this statement to police during the time
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of the investigation now Linda IES she's the mother of Kevin IES and Jean Duffy who is a former Saline County prosecutor
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and I I want to put quotation marks up here she's one of the good ones um Jean Duffy interviewed Godwin 11 years after
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the murders and Godwin's statements were identical to the statements that he had
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given to the police at the time of the investigation also included in the state police report were
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these interviews with Godwin's mother sister and girlfriend in which they all reported to have said that when Ronnie
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drinks he tells lies but we need to keep in mind that when Godwin was interviewed
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by the state police in 1988 he had get he had been in jail for a couple weeks before giving the statement so he was he
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would have been sober at this time now Linda and Jean also contacted Ronnie's mother to discuss her statements to the
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state police about Ronnie she told them that she had never been interviewed by the state police she also was certain
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that neither Godwin's sister or girlfriend had been interviewed by the state police either so if this is true
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then the state police had manufactured interviews of witnesses to discredit Ronnie Godwin well yeah I think it was
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this I think it was this simple uh we don't get we don't have to kill this guy cuz he he's a drunk yeah he's got a bad
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reputation we can smear his reputation Prett he's drunk he's a liar this this is not going to go anywhere so we don't
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have to we don't have to knock this guy off but the thing we do have to remember
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Captain is that Ronnie told almost the same story as Jerry did this lining up with Jerry's story corroborating both
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stories Godwin VI right but but but Jerry is one he's Shady he's a dirt bag doesn't pay for his kids and he left
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town so now he's already smeared now we got this guy with a drinking problem just because you have a drinking problem
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doesn't mean you're a liar MH now Godwin stated that he did not tell anyone what
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he had witnessed that night until he reported it to police mhm um he also believes that the two officers that
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killed the boys that night that they saw him as he passed by the store and probably recognized his car another
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state police interview States Richard Garrett remember this is Dan Harmon's sidekick rushed over to interview Godwin
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a second time right it would seem that officials were taking Godwin's statement seriously uh as it turns out they were
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only serious about discrediting Godwin right following the interviews with Godwin there was no attempt to identify
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the cops that Godwin had saw no photos of local officers or unmarked cars were shown to him no check of officers in the
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area that night who would fit the description there was no check for traces of blood or other evidence in the
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back of any of the unmarked cars nothing just discrediting Godwin statements by fabricating interviews with his mother
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sister and girlfriend stating that when Ronnie drinks Ronnie lies mhm the only true effort to identify Jerry was the
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state police St stating that Jerry and Ronnie Godwin were one and the same right so was shady Jerry actually Godwin
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well Godwin was shown the state police interview with Mike Crook and he simply states that he and crook knew each other
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crook at the time was married to Godwin's cousin and so Godwin presented his story to police so there's no reason
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for crook to call Godwin Jerry uh when he knew him furthermore Godwin has never been jailed for back child support in
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fact Godwin has always had custody of his only child mhm crook also confirmed that Jerry and Ronnie Godwin were not
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the same person they don't come out and say who Shady Jerry is they just said oh
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well he was in jail and then he disappeared and we don't know what happened to him and now we got this
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other guy Godwin and Godwin is just a drunk right so that takes care of two ey Witnesses mhm but see here's where
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things start to get a little scary here Captain both Jerry and Godwin they describe three boys driving up to the
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grocery store on a motorcycle M Don Henry two yes Kevin Ives and who's the third one well we have we have they
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State the two boys get off of the motorcycle and around that same time officers Campbell and Lane arrive the
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boy on the motorcycle takes off now this has to be Keith Cony m a young man who told his mother he knew some stuff about
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the night the boys were murdered right a young man who told his father he had seen Kevin and Dawn the night that they
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were killed and he believed the two were killed by two police officers all three
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of these stories align with one another three people that do not know each other
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and the same story is told independently of each other now Keith also had said that he was afraid for his life because
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he knew too much about Kevin's and Don's murders now Cony was killed in 19 1988 in a motorcycle crash this was 9 months
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after Kevin and Don were murdered the official report was that con had run his motorcycle into the back of a semi-truck
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traveling at a high rate of speed now Keith Cony was one of the last people to be seen with Kevin and da alive Keith
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had been called to testify he was subpoenaed by Dan Harmon to testify in front of the grand jury now there are
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many people that say that his death had not been a highway accident that these Witnesses had said that Keith was
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attempting to escape an attack that he had jumped on his bike and tried to flee at a high rate of speed and he was
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actually being chased by a vehicle when he swerved into the back of the truck Witnesses saw Keith's body they reported
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that his throat had been slashed and he had several wounds that the witnesses did not believe would have been caused
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by a vehicle accident right so another case where we have and who was the medical examiner on that uh FY Malik
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right so fi again is going ah well look this is just suggest death by motorcycle
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well I I don't even know how fi talks he he sounds stupid anyways he probably said look this is just a simple death
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it's a motorcycle accident and that's all that happens it's not a motorcycle accident if your throat is slashed mhm
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yeah if you're escaping an attack you're being chased buy a vehicle at a high rate of speed right that's called Murder
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mhm there was also reason to believe that Keith was selling drugs and was involved with some of the local dealers
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um so he might have known some of these people at play here right but I think this is part of the story that I don't
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really like and we can get into this later when we talk about our own theories M but this whole thing about
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you know Don Henry and and Kevin eyes they were they're going out there and they're going to steal these drugs right
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from some drug lords right and that oh by the way the the the guy that ended up dead on the motorcycle oh he sold drugs
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too I think it's an easy way to tarnish you know and not saying that these kids maybe didn't smoke pot maybe drank a
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little bit um maybe even sold it from time to time MH but I don't think there were known drug dealers and I'm not
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trying to tarnish Keith's name or Kevin or Dawn's names either better um I with with Keith I just simply bring it up
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because because he may have known some of the stuff that was going on if if in fact he was uh selling drugs for
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somebody he may have known these people that were out that night it it wouldn't just be that oh it was two police
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officers oh it was uh this group of guys and I don't know who they are uh I'm just bringing up that he may have had
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some connection with these people well no and then the other thing about it is after Cony leaves on his motorcycle he
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actually went to uh the Wagon Wheel yes which was the bar and he told and that's
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when he told Keith mcal yeah old mcal so you know there is some validity CU you know there is those rumors that mcll was
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selling drugs or part of the drug running so then why would Keith go talk to him right if he didn't know know him
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if he did know him he'd probably know him through but this is also a weird time because this is 1987 right okay and
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and when I graduated High School 99 and you remember this cuz and our band would play yes I was alive and
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around in '99 well we had the you know the metal band that we played in and would' play gigs and we'd have parties
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and stuff to kind of like promote the shows and stuff like that just kind of typical things but we'd normally have
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mostly high school kids but there would always be like a group of college age kids yeah or even late 20 some yeah and
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nowadays like you could not pay me to go hang out with high school kids yeah I I wonder I
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always I didn't Wonder back then but once I got to be 28 29 I wondered what those 28 29 year olds were even doing
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hanging out I think you got to be a pretty big loser is what I think is going on that you got to hang out with
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these young people which makes it a little more odd that con would go talk to mcal so hold on to your seats cuz
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cheers mates we have to introduce a man by the name of Gregory Collins now it is
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believed that Collins had information on the the Kevin Ives and Don Henry deaths
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in January of 1989 Gregory Collins died from three shotgun blasts fired at a close range
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now one shot hit Collins in the face his body was discovered in a Pine Forest in
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a County south of saline Collins had been called to testify to the grand jury but he had never appeared now newspaper
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reports that Garrett and Harmon questioned him privately about the train death case right question him or
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threaten him I guess depends on how you look at it the strange thing here though
00:30:34
Captain is you know little is known about what he may have known about this case he he may have known something
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because apparently he was interviewed or like you said possibly threatened by Garrett and Harmon in private um but he
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he is shot three times with a shotgun now we have a little more FY Malik Shenanigans going on here because this
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is one that FY Malik would rule a suicide so if you believe the medical examiner Mr Mal okay just say it slowly
00:31:07
for me say say this stupidity slowly for me okay so if you are to believe the medical examiner F FY Malik MH then you
00:31:18
would have to believe that Gregory Collins drove out to a remote place went into the forest with a shotgun
00:31:28
and managed to shoot himself three times and one of those shots being to the face
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where presumably that's the shot that killed him um it's not impossible that somebody could shoot themselves three
00:31:41
times uh but I find it highly unlikely with a shotgun with a shotgun it would be very it would be extremely hard to do
00:31:50
to shoot oneself three times with the shotgun you know that's just FY being FY you know that's just FY being FY yeah
00:31:57
that's just fi doing whatever the hell he wants uh yeah or what he's paid to do by others you're exactly right but
00:32:04
that's the other thing too is like I'm not saying that he's a dumbass he might not actually be a dumbass but when you
00:32:10
have higher ups that are right one right in your check and you got people you got
00:32:15
eyewitnesses dying around you what what the hell are you going to do here's the other thing though Captain too we talked
00:32:22
about remember FY Malik got a nice he got a handsome uh promote well not a promotion but he got a raise well yeah
00:32:29
and I said I think 43% but it a 41% raise which was announced to be what like $114,000 was the actual the the money
00:32:38
amount there was 14,000 so if that's a 40 let's just say it's a$ 40% raise so that means he's making and I'm going to
00:32:46
show my dumb math here but that would mean he's making in the ballpark of what 4 to $45,000 a year before that raise
00:32:53
give or take yeah so now he's making under 60 mhm uh I would think that people that are
00:33:00
importing pounds of cocaine and moving them would have the means of buying Mr Malik off pretty cheap probably if the
00:33:09
guy's only making 60 Grand a year it probably doesn't take a whole boatload of money to get him to say you know what
00:33:17
not only do we need you to say that this was either an accident or a suicide but
00:33:22
you're the medical examiner nobody else is going to follow up on this whatever you rule this is probably what it's
00:33:28
going to sit as forever right right but they but they did follow up on many cases if you know you know I mean like
00:33:36
people eventually started going hey there's something wrong and that's what frustrates me about this whole case yeah
00:33:43
is not only did uh you know families came forward and said hey something's not right and then the powers that be
00:33:50
going all the way up to Bill Clinton which was this Governor at the time he wasn't president at the time but goes
00:33:57
all the way up to that jack wagon right and he comes back and says Hey look it's
00:34:02
none of my business I think he's doing pretty good job yeah he's doing a great job [ __ ] you
00:34:09
Bill okay all right calm down there Captain well this is just you know it's ridiculous I mean three shot you know
00:34:17
three shotgun shots to the face well one to the face right two to the chest right
00:34:22
but you're going to shoot yourself twice in the chest and then one in the face well let's keep in mind shotgun is a
00:34:27
pretty powerful shot too that'd be really hard to do anyways yes I mean The Recoil alone would probably mess up your
00:34:35
hand on some level or I would argue that nobody would that very few people would
00:34:41
even have the strength remaining after one shot to fire an additional two shots I mean this this is just asinine really
00:34:49
next we have Daniel Bearden uh who went by the name of boony um boony was from Alexander Arkansas mhm uh about 6 weeks
00:34:58
after they discovered Gregory Collins body in the forest uh police began searching a another remote area for the
00:35:07
body of this Boon guy um and he had he was another person that was asked to testify to the grand jury it's probably
00:35:15
suicide well he he was actually missing for about eight months at the time that they started searching for him so they
00:35:22
were in no hurry to go looking for him right um police they went out there because they received information that
00:35:29
he was buried near the Arkansas River they went out there and they searched and they found nothing um so this guy is
00:35:37
is unaccounted for suspected to have been killed and buried somewhere um now a person by the name of woodro May
00:35:45
testified that he woodro was the middleman in a local drug trade uh but he also stated that three other people
00:35:54
had similar arrangements with the guy that he was getting his drugs from and in this statement he also says that two
00:36:01
of these people Harmon knew personally and may have had some kind of arrangement with them the reason why I
00:36:07
bring up woodro is because in that same statement woodro stated that boony was one of his
00:36:13
distributors so again we're seeing the drug trade the drug trafficking going on wrapped around this whole case right and
00:36:20
this also brings us to eyewitness James Millum yeah we talked about Millum a little bit earlier but didn't identify
00:36:27
him by name um he had information regarding the IES and Henry deaths as well he was scheduled he was you know
00:36:35
they had a long list of people that they were going to talk to with the grand jury he was on that list uh he didn't
00:36:41
get the opportunity to do so though remember he was the guy that was found decapitated but FY Malik had ruled that
00:36:48
it was a um it was natural causes that he had died from an from an ulcer yeah yeah yeah which apparently that that you
00:36:56
have an alcer your head pops off that's that's according to FY mik that's what happened and um and we here's the crazy
00:37:04
thing he's decapitated and FY Malik claims that the dog ate the head right ate the head of the of of his owner now
00:37:17
the thing here is his whole story got all screwed up when do we know what kind of of dog that is um I'm not was
00:37:25
probably a very small one I'm I'm in the market to buy a dog and I'm not buying that kind of dog okay so that's what FY
00:37:31
Malik says cuz when I die from a ulcer in your head pops off I do not want my dog eating my head okay but listen to
00:37:39
this Captain Malik says that the dog ate the head right mhm okay then there's a big problem with his finding because the
00:37:48
police shortly after Mal gives this ruling they find the head right they find the head and then Malik's like well
00:37:56
that's because the dog regurgitated it that he threw up he ate the head and then he puked it puked it up right the
00:38:02
more and more we cover this story the more I just think that he has paid or knows that if you don't
00:38:11
cooperate you're going to die of a ulcer and your head's going to pop off as well
00:38:16
I I look I don't think it's stupidity I don't think I don't think any doctor is that dumb I think I really the more we
00:38:24
talk about it the more I think that his hands were tied and he knew if he didn't
00:38:30
follow you know the powers that be that he's going to end up worm food I think you might be on to something there you
00:38:38
he he could have been afraid he could have been being paid under the table by some of these people or could have been
00:38:43
a combination of both which is probably what is most likely um the thing here is
00:38:48
though you know while we're on FY Malik story here that he started off as an assistant to the medical examiner and
00:38:55
very quickly the medical examiner retired and he basically assumed the role of medical examiner well and I
00:39:02
wonder how long that guy worked for and and was he was he supposed to retire or was he just somebody that was not going
00:39:11
to work within their system he was made to retire you see what I'm saying that's
00:39:16
a good question we we don't know that but what we do know is that what was discovered after FY Malik had been the
00:39:22
medical examiner for like seven it was either Seven to n years somewhere in that ballpark MH they realized because
00:39:30
of some of these cases that Malik actually did not have the qualifications to be a medical examiner he only had the
00:39:37
qualifications to be an assistant so they realized this he wasn't even qualified for that probably right and
00:39:43
they realized this after he's been running the show for almost 10 years yeah but it's not you know Bill Clinton
00:39:49
can't do nothing about it well listen to this whole story they they the governor's office the there here's their
00:39:56
statement they say that it's not their problem because there's supposed to be a medical
00:40:00
examiner commission this is a group of people that review and decide who is qualified for this position and who is
00:40:06
not so when famy Malik took over the position they should have reviewed his qualifications reev reviewed him as a
00:40:13
candidate and either accepted him or turned him down for the role the problem is when people started going back in in
00:40:20
interviewing this medical examiner commission that supposedly existed well the people that were
00:40:27
supposed to be on the commission said yeah I was on that commission at one point but we haven't met for like 10 or
00:40:32
12 years we've not met about anything for 10 or 12 years I didn't know I was supposed to still be on that commission
00:40:38
well then the governor's office then says well because this commission didn't do their job there's nothing that we can
00:40:45
do about it we cannot remove we we can't remove we can't remove him now and at some point after it was discovered he
00:40:51
wasn't qualified he did seek out whatever training or knowledge he needed or you know to to become qualified for
00:40:58
the position eventually right well because he just got one a a 41% raise and then he's getting probably Kickbacks
00:41:05
MH and look again there's the fear element when your Governor is helping other people run
00:41:15
drugs then and and and some boys stumble upon that 16 and 17y old boy stumbles upon that and they are murdered and they
00:41:26
put their bodies on tracks to be ran over by trains you might fall in line too you know what I mean you might do
00:41:34
what they tell you to do well when the officials of Arkansas were asked why would you give famy Malik a a pay raise
00:41:44
a when we have people in the community wait hold on because we're selling drugs people that's what they should have said
00:41:50
Bill Clinton should have said hey we're selling drugs and we need somebody to cover our ass and and that's why we gave
00:41:57
him a pay raise but the thing here is we they had people they had families they had people in the community basically
00:42:04
picking and calling for FY Malik's Job saying fire this dude we don't trust this guy we can't feel safe living here
00:42:11
if this is what's going to be happening and basically the officials said that you know because they were asked why the
00:42:18
hell would you give this guy a pay raise when all these people were calling for his job right and and they they stated
00:42:23
go ahead well and it's not just the family and the IES family that aren't getting answers it's all these victims
00:42:31
and it's then multiply it by all their family and friends and those are the people paying your salary but at the end
00:42:37
of the day you think Bill Clinton gives a [ __ ] do you think anybody in power that's
00:42:44
getting paid a bunch of money actually gives a [ __ ] you know if they're running
00:42:48
drugs if they're willing to kill a 16 and 17year old person do you think they actually give a [ __ ] and for all the
00:42:54
people right now that are listening going well this is just a conspiracy this ain't conspiracy this is a fact
00:43:00
we're stating facts mhm this is not conspiracy but but the funny thing is here these these officials talk out of
00:43:08
both sides of their mouths because what happens here is when when he's first awarded the pay raise they they stay
00:43:15
they say that you know what FY Malik is a victim in this whole circumstance and that he deserves to be you know treated
00:43:23
with respect and and to show him such we gave him a pay raise well then when they
00:43:28
come back and they ask them later there's all these people in the community saying he should be fired how
00:43:33
can you give him a pay raise then they State well he's due to retire soon so we applied that pay raise to him not for
00:43:42
him personally but as a position we were upgrading the pay to that position so that when he does retire we could
00:43:48
recruit a more you know suitable candidate for this position well you know how they always have answers don't
00:43:54
they well right because when you're high on cocaine you come up with a million answers all at once well let's keep
00:44:02
going with this list here Captain because it just keeps growing and growing next on the list is Richard
00:44:08
Winters uh who was actually at one point he was he was considered to be a possible suspect in the deaths of Kevin
00:44:15
Ives and Don Henry um he had he had he had offered to cooperate with the grand jury and with Garrett and Harmon at some
00:44:25
point um but again before he could do so okay he ends up being killed by a shotgun
00:44:32
blast to the face um but this was during a robbery in July of 1989 now it's it's not been proven um
00:44:42
but but it's it's widely believed that the robbery was was not so much a robbery that it was more of a setup
00:44:50
right we're stage robbery we're gonna have this robbery situation and one guy's going to end up dead and it and
00:44:56
conveniently it's somebody that's offering to cooperate with the grand jury and and maybe divulge what he may
00:45:03
know about the deaths of these two teenagers mhm I think it's pretty obvious by now that everybody that we
00:45:09
bring up on this list is going to end up dead at some point I told you this episode should be called Murder yeah
00:45:16
well the thing here is one of the one of the stranger ones to me is Keith mcal yeah now shortly before Keith M mcal was
00:45:25
murdered I have nightmares about this yeah he he told people that he believed he was going to be murdered he he was
00:45:32
telling his family members goodbye he was making funeral arrangements he was telling his friends goodbye um he was
00:45:40
also telling his friends and family that like he was being followed yeah uh by by
00:45:45
the two police officers that we had mentioned earlier that were Lane and Campbell that were supposed to be
00:45:51
involved in the deaths of the two teenagers he was also pointing out vehicles to friends and stating you know
00:45:57
what I know that car has been following me for quite some time um the thing here
00:46:02
is that the a big problem with this story is remember we talked about Sheriff Jim Steed well there was an
00:46:11
election coming up in 1988 and it was for the the office of of sheriff now the thing is here that
00:46:19
mcal on the night of the sheriff's election in 1988 he was out with a bunch of people and he made a big announcement
00:46:26
at this bar and he held up two pennies he pulled two pennies out of his pocket threw them at the bar yeah and he stated
00:46:34
he said if Jim Ste loses this election my life isn't worth two cents and believe it or not shortly after that he
00:46:42
was killed okay so did he lose the election yeah Jim Ste lost the election that night and within 48 Hours uh Keith mcal
00:46:52
was murdered but how he was murdered is what creeps me out mhm yeah so a quick description here which I think is very
00:47:00
fitting for Keith mccal which is necessary I mean uh he managed a place called The we The Wagon Wheel Lounge uh
00:47:08
and he was considered to be a big dude he was 6'2 uh he weighed about uh 200 lb or so
00:47:15
um he was a bit of a legend for breaking up barroom fights several people told stories of him breaking up fights that
00:47:21
involved weapons sometimes even knives and he would without a weapon go into this fight and break it up cuz he was a
00:47:28
bad ombre yeah and but but Masco might have been a bit of a weird dude though because he was he was a known drug user
00:47:35
he was suspected of selling drugs he had a lot of friends in low places but he had a lot of police friends as well this
00:47:43
guy is just all sorts of bad country songs he works at the Wagon Wheel he has Friends in Low Places yeah and but but
00:47:51
the the funny thing here though to me Captain is we talk about all these misdoings by these
00:47:56
public officials and by uh police officers and Sheriff's you know deputies and things like that right and you know
00:48:03
to call somebody a weird dude saying that he's got a lot of friends that are in low places but he also has a lot of
00:48:09
friends that are police as well I don't think it's that weird in this situation because it seems to me like some of the
00:48:14
police were in Pretty Low Places themselves right right that's exactly right now Dan Harmon told Linda IES and
00:48:22
others that mcal was acting as an formant in the murder case agreeing to pass along any information that he had
00:48:30
heard in the nightclub but more importantly you know according to Charlene Wilson statement mcal was at
00:48:36
the tracks the night that the boys were killed right and it is also believed that Keith Cooney went on to to find
00:48:43
mascal and tell him what he had saw at the tracks or what he had saw near the grocery store that night with the police
00:48:49
officers beating up his friends so on November 10th 1988 this like we said this is just 2 days after the sheriff's
00:48:56
election this takes place around 1:30 a.m. a neighbor of Keith mcals said that he had heard some loud groaning noises
00:49:05
coming from Mas casal's home uh this woke him up in the middle of the night he go he goes to the window and he's
00:49:11
looking around and he sees nothing but what he says is that it sounded as if someone had drank way too much and was
00:49:18
vomiting right uh the following morning a lady friend of mcal came to his home and discovered his body so what happened
00:49:26
how did he die well Mas casal's body was wrapped in a flower patterned shower curtain and he was lying in the carport
00:49:34
area of his home this is near a door that was going to his kitchen he's covered in blood uh his house inside the
00:49:42
home completely covered in blood as well um there had been an obvious fight that
00:49:47
lasted probably quite some time that had left blood everywhere mascal had been stabbed over a 100 times Jesus um the
00:49:55
stab that most likely killed him was there was one to the heart uh all of the stab wounds were above the waist showing
00:50:02
that masle had defended himself and probably doing it quite well uh making the fight last a lot longer than maybe
00:50:10
his attackers would have thought it would have uh a lot of the slashes and stabs were to the arms and the hands
00:50:17
showing that Not only was he defending himself but he was going after the knife that was stabbing him well it sounds
00:50:23
like he had an ulcer yeah this is this is probably natural causes or at the very least an accidental death right
00:50:30
according to FY mik no of course it was ruled a murder um but but here's where it gets weird well actually not of
00:50:37
course in this case that's true it's like not of course yeah you're right you you have to be like ex you know happy
00:50:44
yeah you're like oh finally um well now we we should talk about Ronald Shane Smith Ronald Shane Smith was a neighbor
00:50:53
of mcals right now what had happened was when the police after after the the friend the female friend found M casal's
00:51:01
body she calls it in the police are there investigating whatever's going on and Ronald's father goes across the
00:51:09
street and he says you know what I think you should talk to my son because I think he knows something about what has
00:51:15
happened here right so they talk to the son uh now now Ronald Shane Smith is 19 years old at the time and he's
00:51:25
he's considered slow at school he's mentally handicap not my words these are other people's words um the thing here
00:51:33
is he tells them that he was over at Mas casal's place and that he he had gone there to purchase I believe he purchased
00:51:42
a silver tray and some pornographic uh videotapes from mcal the tray was going to be a gift for his mother the tapes
00:51:50
were something for himself right and uh he had owed masal money so he went over there to pay him some of the money that
00:51:57
he owed him and while they were there he said that Masco was acting strange he was looking out the window stating that
00:52:04
people were following him and he's been calling this for weeks yeah and he says then at some point three men they they
00:52:13
pull up in a vehicle they bust through the door yeah but what were these guys wearing they were there were three men
00:52:19
wearing clown mask F no no so that's what that's what they were wearing but could you
00:52:28
imagine well we do have Stephen King's It coming out very soon yes but what I'm saying is if three dudes in clown Mass
00:52:36
showed up to my house oh that' be yeah you're hoping that it's one of your friends are acting nuts I mean I'd be
00:52:42
scared but at the same time I'd be thinking I'm going to kick one of these dudes in the dick well uh according to
00:52:48
Ronald Shane Smith two of the guys had knives and one of them had a gun and the the guy guy with the gun the clown with
00:52:56
the gun comes up to Ronald and he forces him into a chair holding him at gunpoint
00:53:02
mhm a fight breaks out between mcal and the other two guys that are holding knives at some point during the fight
00:53:10
the the gunman takes Ronald outside and he says that during this time he could hear mcal in the home
00:53:18
being killed uh you would think they would just shoot him and then would you know
00:53:24
with the when the struggle happened you'd think that the guy with the gun would have just shot him and just took
00:53:29
off yeah well here's the thing here's what really that was my whole thing I was like why the hell wouldn't they just
00:53:37
shoot this witness right MH but then I also got to thinking about well if mcal was killed but in a a situation where it
00:53:46
was a hit where it was a planned murder mhm well why would why would you bother fighting with mascal anyway because if
00:53:53
you just you I wouldn't want to fight with mascal it sounds like he could handle himself and and many others at
00:53:59
the same time right he was a ballroom brawler man and the thing is they obviously wanted to keep this quiet you
00:54:06
can't just show up you can't just show up to someone's home in a neighborhood and guns blasting everywhere and go
00:54:12
unnoticed silence sir the the thing here is you know so what they did according to Ronald Smith is that they gave him
00:54:22
the knife and they told him that if he didn't stab uh mascal they were going to shoot him and so he stabs
00:54:31
mcal and they take a picture a Polaroid picture of him at that time and they tell him that they're going to keep this
00:54:38
for evidence if you ever come after us if if we if you tell on us mhm we're going to frame you for this murder and
00:54:46
again his IQ was something around 80 so this is a lot of stuff and a lot of details to come up with out of nowhere
00:54:53
it it is uh the story doesn't end there uh we'll get it back to that but the I didn't really want to I didn't really
00:55:01
want to report on what his supposed IQ was because I've seen some varying you know we we noticed this with West
00:55:08
Memphis 3 and several other cases that we've covered that the IQ seems to be something that people argue you know
00:55:14
people that would be for some kind of conspiracy they're going to lower his IQ when they tell the story and people that
00:55:21
think that Ronald Smith is guilty they're going to raise that IQ the other thing that's been in question I've seen
00:55:28
different reports of how of the size of this 19-year-old boy because there's been a lot of people that said well you
00:55:35
know he was only 58 148 pounds there's no way that he could have taken down Keith mccal who
00:55:42
was 6'2 over 200 lb barroom brawler MH uh but you don't bring a fist to a knife fight but I've also seen reports that
00:55:51
have uh Ronald Smith being as tall as 5'1 and 180b which is not a big discrepancy between the two men exactly
00:56:01
exactly but his story does change uh uh upon further questioning um the story changes to that it was not three men in
00:56:10
clown mask it was five men that were dressed head to toe in Black uh that they came in but but there's a lot of
00:56:18
similarities they came in they busted through the door they took over the situation they controlled Ronald Smith
00:56:25
and and they attacked Keith mcal um they did find they they found blood everywhere in that home this fight
00:56:33
lasted for quite some time and he believed Ronald Smith reported that he believed that the men that the attack
00:56:40
took somewhere between 30 and 40 minutes to take place the strange thing here though too is Jim Ste you remember the
00:56:46
uh the the outgoing Sheriff who lost the election well he had hired mcal to take
00:56:53
aerial photos of the of the tracks of of the area where the boys were were killed
00:57:00
um we don't know I don't know if he ever successfully carried out those photographs now he did have a briefcase
00:57:07
in his home that had blood all over it and it was opened and and it wasn't full you know it wasn't stuffed to the brim
00:57:16
with with with items so some people would believe that something was stolen from that briefcase um it could have
00:57:24
been aial photos it could have been it could have been drugs there was also rumors that mcal was making audio tapes
00:57:32
of what he knew about the murders and what he and who he knew was involved that way if something did happen to him
00:57:39
that maybe police or maybe one of the actual good guys would find one of these cassette tapes yeah if there was a good
00:57:45
guy left yeah it's it's getting hard to find any good people left now the police
00:57:51
they did go and they found some of these some items in Ron Smith's possession um
00:57:58
out behind his home they had found the silver tray that he had talked about purchasing some videotapes and they
00:58:06
found some bloody clothes now in Ron Smith's story though he says remember he says that he was told to to stab uh
00:58:15
mascal as mcll was already dead uh but he was also he also said that he had fallen on the body at some point and got
00:58:25
blood all over himself right um it's difficult here Captain because you could make a strong argument either way in
00:58:33
this case to me but when I keep seeing name after name of people that are being called to the grand jury and they keep
00:58:40
dying um it it seems to me like M casal's murder is probably not a one-off committed by this Ron Smith it's
00:58:48
probably connected to this whole boys on the track situation um now Ron Ronald Smith ends up being convicted of the
00:58:56
murder of Keith mcal which mik G feeling says that is another tragic point of the
00:59:02
story MH yeah and next we have Jeff rhods now Jeff rhods was the young man from Benton Arkansas who was he ended up
00:59:11
being murdered in 1989 but shortly before his death he made a phone call to his father in Texas stating that he
00:59:19
needed to get out of Arkansas and that he felt that he knew way too much about the boys on the railroad tracks and the
00:59:26
death of Keith mcal uh a couple weeks after this phone call that's when Jeff is found dead uh
00:59:33
he had been shot in the head and he was they had attempted whoever killed him attempted to cut off his head and hands
00:59:40
and feet um they were unsuccessful with the hands and feet uh and they had also set him on fire now they found his body
00:59:50
in a landfill these are just Savage people yeah the thing is though we have Jeff
00:59:57
rhods he's he's missing for just a week right but but shortly after he's reported missing his father reaches out
01:00:04
to the Sheriff's investigators and states that you know he called me a week ago asking if I could find him a job
01:00:11
here in Texas because he needed to leave Arkansas and this is why he needed to leave Arkansas and he said there was
01:00:17
never any followup even after they had found his body they didn't reach back out to him to further inquire what Jeff
01:00:25
rhods could have been talking about and somehow they link the death of Jeff rhs to this guy named Frank peler uh he's
01:00:34
ultimately arrested and charged with murder he's convicted and sentenced to life now we we got to keep in mind here
01:00:42
because of what took place in 1987 Dan Harmon he's he's a quote unquote special prosecutor he's assigned
01:00:50
this role he's well he's certainly special right but he's not technically he's not an elected prosecutor uh he's
01:00:56
assigned this role in the in the the specific case of Don Henry and Kevin Ives Now by
01:01:04
1990 he is the elected prosecutor and so now he has all this additional power so
01:01:10
some of these cases that we're seeing coming about where the murder would take place in in
01:01:16
1989 some of these people were probably convicted and and prosecuted by Dan Harmon well he had a lot of cover up to
01:01:25
do and that leads us to Jordan ketts now Jordan ketton he was believed to have had information regarding Kevin Ives and
01:01:34
Don Henry's deaths um he was also believed that he might have been a part of mol's murder now he was found shot to
01:01:43
death in his front in the front seat of his pickup truck in June of 1990 now there was no police
01:01:51
investigation regarding his H homicide his body was cremated before an autopsy could be performed why I have no clue
01:01:59
well because the autopsies were so bad anyways so you know hey let's just not even get old FY
01:02:06
involved is probably an ulcer anyways and and I don't have definitive information about this but it could be a
01:02:13
situation where the police ruled it a suicide you know he's found shot in in his vehicle right um but again we've
01:02:22
talked about this time and time again anytime you have a death that is as a result of unnatural causes you know an
01:02:28
autopsy is supposed to be performed in this situation and and it wasn't the body was cremated before it could be
01:02:35
performed well right not if you're trying to cover up and cover your ass you know we don't need autopsies so
01:02:42
obviously this is so obvious right here Captain we we have obvious we have all these Witnesses we have all these people
01:02:49
that are supposed to be called to the grand jury people that have been reported to have had private meetings
01:02:55
private questioning situations with Richard Garrett and Dan Harmon and we see person after person you know getting
01:03:03
killed people person after person dying in these mysterious deaths somewhere we have people getting convicted somewhere
01:03:11
we have no explanation why they died at all I mean we had we had Jerry who we don't know who he is he and if we
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believe that story he moved out of the area because he was told to get the hell out of Dodge right or he was killed and
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never found and and one they refused to identify him you had stated earlier and you're exactly right it would have been
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so easy for Sheriff Jim Ste to come forward and say well this is who Jerry was I know who he is because we locked
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him up for 90 days but nobody says that and then we have Ronnie Goodwin now Ronnie Godwin I'm sorry he's one of the
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lucky ones he's still alive today but but police refuse to believe his story more to the point where they say that he
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is Jerry when they know damn well he's not Jerry right he's just a drunk can't believe him we have Keith Cooney who was
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probably you know witnessed too much stuff that night he probably gave Kevin and Don a ride on the back of his
01:04:04
motorcycle he may have seen something go down at the tracks earlier and his death
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is ruled a motorcycle accident we have Keith right with a slit throat yeah we have Keith mccal who is murdered in his
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own home he's stabbed over 100 times we have the strange stories with the clown mask and the men dressed from head to
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toe in Black right and we we have who could be another innocent person who is convicted of his murder right we have
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Greg Collins shotgun blast to the face and it's ruled a suicide yeah three shots with a shotgun he killed himself
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we have Jeff rhs shotgun blast to the face his body is burned he's found in the landfill and we have this pelure guy
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that is arrested and convicted for his murder and we we got rhs telling people that not only did he know about the
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boy's deaths in advance before he killed he's telling them that he knows about M
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casal's death as well right we have Richard Winters who who dies in the robbery we have Jordan ketton uh shot to
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death in in the front seat of his pickup truck and there's no explanation for how
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he died we're not given a ruling on how he died no autopsy performed we have James Millum who had an ulcer in his
01:05:18
head popped off it you know that's just FY Malik straight out creating something
01:05:25
here just just making something up we have that boony Bearden who vanished and we've never seen him he's believed to be
01:05:34
murdered they've never located his body what did he know yeah and if this isn't if this isn't enough evidence of a huge
01:05:42
conspiracy to cover up these boys's death uh I don't know what to tell you yeah they're covering
01:05:50
up the deaths of these two boys and then they're killing more people to cover up
01:05:55
the deaths that they have to commit to cover up the the original two right and it all comes down to the fact that they
01:06:00
have these drugs they have to keep running the drugs they want to keep having the money from the drugs and that
01:06:05
they're they have higher ups I think that are involved in this drug smuggling and this drug running and it's it's the
01:06:13
crime of greed you know the murder for greed just makes absolutely no sense to me well and I know we probably got some
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loyal garage army people out there going this this this is huge Nick and Captain
01:06:25
why haven't we heard of this before well contact somebody that lives in Arkansas
01:06:30
because these people have been talking about this case for 30 years right uh this is no secret to the people that
01:06:36
live in Arkansas and live in this area and if alarm Bells aren't going off in your head ask yourself this okay we've
01:06:42
we've mentioned over what we've mentioned 10 or a dozen murders here right and there's probably a few that we
01:06:48
don't know about because we're not in Arkansas and it's hard to find information about people that died in 87
01:06:54
88 89 from that time period but ask yourself this why do we have an an area a remote area of a state where only
01:07:03
about 5,000 people are reported to have been living there in the late ' 80s and we got all of these mysterious deaths
01:07:10
going on in a short period of time M it it there's something going on in Arkansas well and how many people are
01:07:18
going to talk about this if you know clowns are showing up to people's houses and stabbing them a 100 times MH if
01:07:24
clown shows up to my house one I'm kicking it in the I'm kicking in the goddamn dick okay first of all second of
01:07:31
all I hope that we put out a show next week because if somebody finds me somewhere and my head popped off it
01:07:39
wasn't a godamn ulcer your stomach's fine I I'm I will vouch for you your your stomach is fine you're solid in
01:07:47
that area we got we we have a lot to uh cover in the next case and I think I it's a shame that this case hasn't
01:07:56
been talked about and I see this all the time when when and the the thing that drives me absolutely insane is the word
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conspiracy when there are truths there MH and when they start talking about these child sex trafficking rings that
01:08:15
maybe some people in the government are involved in and there's some actually there's some validity to the story and
01:08:23
it just kind of goes nowhere to me that is powerful people and rich people being
01:08:29
able to protect themselves in a way that the normal person or the normal citizen
01:08:33
of the United States of America cannot do yeah and I think um how much was like Bill Clinton
01:08:40
involved in this I don't know but he knew certain things about it and again I don't want to become political because
01:08:49
I'm neither left or right I'm normally always wrong so you're usually wrong but well my point
01:08:57
is is I I don't like Rich Pricks and I don't like Rich Pricks using people for you know gains and I don't like I don't
01:09:06
like people of power getting away with horeshit well we will try tomorrow to sum this up put a nice bow on it and
01:09:13
open your eyes to some other going on uh that was taking place in in Arkansas as
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well all right let's wrap this up because I got to do a couple sets down at the Wagon Wheel yeah we will see
01:09:23
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