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Daniel son Daniel LaRusso. That's going to be your new name from now. Daniel son.
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Banzai. Banzai Daniel son. Banzai Mr. Miyagi. All right. So, a couple things. One, was it let's just
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get the Maura Murray update out of the way because there's not much out there right
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now. This is interesting cuz it's going to be an update for me as well. I'm unaware of the things you are about to
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say. Yeah, so basically Fred Murray came out which it's like the anniversary of her going missing. I believe it's
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15 years since she's been missing. Mhm, that sounds in the neighborhood. And so he
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says that they I know that they were using cadaver dogs and scent dogs and doing some
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researching of the crash site area. Mhm. And what he claims is that there was some cadaver dog hits
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on a house that they Now he claims that they never been able to search before. Mhm.
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Now there's you know, I would talk to people behind the scenes and they're saying, "No, this house that Fred is
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talking about has been searched before. Has actually had some digging done." But again, it's like do
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do my sources know what they're talking about? Right. Because all Fred has said is this
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property that's And again, it's one of those things where it's like some reports say it's by Butch
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Atwood's house Mhm. or it is across the street from Butch Atwood's house. Again, a lot of this stuff
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what we do know about the scent dogs is that she walked further down or somehow that scent goes further down because
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they have Or at least the dogs followed it. Followed what we believe to be her trail
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for a brief period of time down the road a little bit and then they just like stop. Right. And so what's interesting
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here is, you know, I was talking to a private investigator friend of mine and he was saying, "Well, is is it possible
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that a neighbor was coming home and and accidentally hit her with a car?" Mhm. And then that's where the scent stops.
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But again, we have no evidence no blood evi- evidence of that. So, but it's interesting because Fred doesn't
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he doesn't make a bunch of announcements. So, the fact that he he has turned this over to law
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enforcement, law enforcement have said, this is where it gets interesting. Law enforcement have said that that property
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has been checked before. So, that makes me feel like the sources I talked to were correct. Okay. But
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are they going to are they going to go out and do some more searching? I think so and mainly because
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the property owners have been very cooperative. They they did not own the property at the time of Margo and
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missing. So, I think we're going to hear more about this update as time goes on. Yeah, that should be
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should be some interesting stuff. If it is concrete, you wonder how willing It sounds like the the new homeowners are
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fairly cooperative. But you wonder how willing they would be to, you know, letting someone dig or,
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you know, bring in some bring in tools to crack that concrete. Yeah, cuz the rumor is that the hits
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took place in the crawl space, but in the crawl space there was a section that somebody
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concreted over that section, which is normally just dirt or rocks. Mhm. But that section that the cadaver
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dogs are hitting on was a concrete slab that obviously was poured by somebody. One thing I want to
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point out uh Yeah, but the but Go ahead. You know, but I was going to say they don't necessarily have to do
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digging in that area. They can There's other technology like we've seen in like the Springfield missing three.
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Mhm. Um where you can do like a x-ray Mhm. to see if there's any anomalies in that
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concrete. So, they could do that before they even broke up that concrete. Right. Right Oh,
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yeah. Yeah, to see if there's anything at all worth cracking or digging for. Um regarding dogs, regarding uh all of our
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wonderful search and rescue, cadaver dogs, law enforcement dogs, officers, I guess you should call them. Um
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The one thing that I found interesting, and I always kind of had this this thought, but I had it confirmed a while
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back and and we've never really gone into this too much and and I don't want to I don't want to speak to
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it too at at too much length because I'm not an expert on this. Uh-huh. Um but I
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was I was listening to a um someone talk about an old crime, and I can't remember the details of the crime.
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That's not important for this this little bit of information here, but what is important for everybody, armchair
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detectives, you know, listening to the details of different cases and reading them, when
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dogs are discussed, I learn that back in the day, and I don't know if this still applies today,
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but I'm assuming that it does. That back in the day that when when they often say, "Hey, you know, they brought
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in dogs to search for a scent or or cadaver dog for this or that." Right. Um that back in the day that that the
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training for these dogs is so extensive and expensive, Right. that a lot of times when you have
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a dog that is specifically trained for one thing, like there are there are dogs that are experts at finding blood,
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experts at finding a cadaver, experts at finding a live missing person. Yeah, weed. Yep. Drug dog.
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Um Well, and drug dogs are just not drug dogs. They they normally have specialties. Well, yeah, but but what's
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what we often don't discuss is that these dogs that have their expertise in a specific area, that are trained in a
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specific area, they are like a million times better than probably what the dogs that we often discuss on our show and
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what's often discussed in the news, Right. where you because it is so expensive to
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train these dogs, a lot of times a police force will have one or two canine officers, and they are they're kind of
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just trained a little bit in every area. So, they're not like an expert. Right. You know what I mean? So, I I guess the
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way to really break that down would be, you know, if you think about sports or something, you know, you might have a
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football player who could play football at any position, but having a guy that's
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played quarterback for 10 years is a much different different character than just this other this other guy that this
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other athlete. Right. So, I always wondered that, too, because, you know, when we when we do
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our stories and the research for our cases, so many times dogs are discussed, but
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you're kind of at the mercy of of whoever's delivering the news or delivering that information. Is that dog
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actually specifically trained in that one area or is he just or is that dog just brought in because it's convenient?
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Well, we also see when you bring in forensic specialist to cases that they are paid by the prosecution or
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they're paid by the the defense Right. to come up with the theory. And my my problem with that has always been you're
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getting paid. You're a paid expert. And so we've seen in several cases now these um
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mainly cadaver dog experts that come in that is not through law enforcement. It's um
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contractor will come in. Right. And we've seen some ridiculous claims for one like we have
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the one where the cadaver dogs hit on the the pier um where they think possibly Scott
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Peterson uh took the body out. Mhm. Well, the body wasn't on the pier. The body would have been in a boat that
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would have went down the pier and went off. But the chances of and it was like a month and a half later
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with all those winds and all those people most dog experts said for them to get that hit, that's next to impossible.
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Right. And we've seen in a lot of cases where the dog trainer is actually telling the
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dog this is a hit. Yeah. And so I I don't know. I think you got to be careful with some of this stuff. Yeah.
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You know, and and do you go down to a basement and go into a crawl space and see a area that is concreted over and
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are you telling your dog to hey, hit on that? You know, to get somebody's hopes up or
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to get the dollar amount. But now But what what is weird? Let me throw this out there. This is just my life
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experience. Well, I'm just going to say real quick what I think happened with these dog
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owners and these dog handlers. I don't think they're paid. I think these people were volunteering their
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time. Right. A lot of times they are volunteers that are that are brought in. Um and kudos to everybody out there.
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There There are a lot of unknown helpers and heroes uh in a lot of these cases that volunteer their time to help search
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for a person or search for evidence. Yeah. Be it uh a dog handler or um I used to know someone uh somebody
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that uh an acquaintance of mine who was a horseback you know, mounted searcher. Uh and she would donate a lot of her
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time. Like she was on some kind of call list if somebody went missing or if they
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needed help with something in a specific area. And this was like multiple counties and stuff. Like she I she told
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me once that it wouldn't be uncommon for her to get a call and she would drive to
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Indiana or Kentucky and spend the weekend uh get donating her time and efforts and and her animal's efforts to
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the horse as well. think if she makes a difference in one case, that's all you'd need to really
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keep going. Yeah. You know, that's what I always think. If we can make one difference in and just
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like we've talked about before with the Delphi murders, when somebody comes and tells me, "Hey,
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you're one of the first podcasts to cover this." Mhm. But because of the coverage, not just our coverage, but
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other people's coverage, you know, they made over 200 arrests. Right. For of pedophiles, unregistered sex
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offenders. And that's because of the community, that's because of the true crime community. So,
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if we're doing anything good, you know, that's cuz you wonder that sometimes. Are we we
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spitting out this bad negative information or are we doing anything good? Are we
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helping in any way? And And so when you do get comments from people or or victim's
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family members reaching out saying, "Hey, thank you." It makes you go, "Oh, yeah, maybe maybe we are doing some good
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as well." Well, back to your update real quick. Um just so I understand the crawl space
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there's there's poured concrete in just a small portion of the crawl space. Yeah, and this is all I mean this is
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just from information coming in from me from several sources. I probably was emailed this
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direct message, text message, all that stuff. Um I didn't take notes. I I haven't been
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able to confirm most of the stuff, but these people that are sending this to me are friends or or
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what I can see are considered peers or whatever and they're not going to send me nonsense.
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Right. Well and and I don't know So I'm I'm just saying if we have something wrong know that I haven't dove
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into this super hard yet and it's and it's new. But I want to say that it's out there
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that Fred Murray is saying we got a hit on property and that he wants law enforcement to search. And I believe
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even if he doesn't get law enforcement to search that he probably can convince these homeowners to do something. And
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again with you know like Maggie uh from the disappearance of Maura Murray and like Tim and Lance and
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and so many of others have been able to uh John Smith, so many others which they don't agree and they bicker
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like old married couple, but they've been able to get stuff done to get searches happen and test
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past, yeah. And then test run on things as well. So I wish people would go, "Hey, we have a
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difference of opinions, but we're working for the same goal." And and be a little more mature about
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things, but that doesn't always happen. Well, and I don't know in what year that home was built. I
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mean, we we technically don't even know which property it is. Um but Right. you know, for my
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understanding and my experience anyway, usually a crawl space is all one material. You know, I've seen concrete
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ones, I've seen gravel, I've seen dirt. Mhm. Um you know, I don't think I've ever seen where you
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have a mixture, you know, gravel all over the other places in the crawl space, but this one space is poured
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concrete. Right. You know, or And it could be something as simple as the homeowner wanted to concrete the top
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of one section and use that more for storage. It could There could be a simple explanation. They could have had to fill
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something in that's not necessarily something evil, you know, it could could be Oh, I mean, there but there's also
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been people because in some states it's illegal to bury your pets. Right. there are some people that have used
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their crawl space to bury animals. Okay. And then would they cover that up with something?
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Maybe. Is it illegal in Ohio to bury your pet? Um I'm not really for sure. I've never had to bury a pet.
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I it God forbid, but pets die, but one of my dogs is getting up there in years, and um
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w- when she does go, I think uh I think I'll probably bury her on my property. Whether it's a l- allowed or not, like
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I'll be be out there with a shovel and a flashlight. up some tarps and they won't know what
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you're doing. Put up a tent and then dig the hole through while you're in the tent. An old friend of mine uh who I
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haven't seen in 10 years or so had uh little tombstones on their uh in their deep in their backyard. Like
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they had a huge property and it was like deep in the backyard and the first time
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I saw them I thought, "Oh my god, what's going on here?" Cuz you just see this little tombstone sticking up and it one
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I think said Pittsburgh and the other one said I can't remember the other one. Heim maybe, but then my first thought
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was like, "What's buried in these?" Some girl he met in Pittsburgh. Can you show me pictures of these dogs
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so that I know that they actually existed? Did there So that that's that's the update that like I said, and the
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tough thing though too is we get so many It's nice that people are sharing this information, but
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sometimes it takes me an extra hour to reply to the people that say thanks for sharing.
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You know, but I got it. The but the worst is when I post about it And then you're getting
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And then I'm getting, "Hey, did you see this?" Yeah, and you go No, no, no, no. Yeah, I just posted about that.
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No, that's The worst is this. Um and this makes it sound like we don't like the emails. We do like the emails,
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but but some of them are just kind of silly. Um when you get an update in a case like
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and it's always like starts off, "Hey guys, did you see this?" And it will be like an update that
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happened like 6 months ago. You're like, "Yeah, I saw that when it when it was actual news." Yeah, or it's a update
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that we actually reported in the show. Yeah, have you seen this? Yes, we did a whole episode on that.
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They go, "Yeah, I know, but have you seen the update?" No, no, no, no, we put that update in
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our episode. You I don't know if you were listening or not. Well, clearly not. So that's that's the big one, but you
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know, I really you know, this year for 2019 to me it was like I want this show to be
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something. I mean, I know that it's a show about nothing. That's the main point, but
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but we kind of talked about Well, and also it's for me because we get these updates.
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Okay, I think those updates were happening on Saturday. Uh I had a friend of a friend pass away.
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Uh but somebody knew from high school. So, that that was sad. So, you deal with that plus you're dealing with this My
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Favorite Murder life in general. Mhm. And then trying to get working on the next week's case, you know, that we're
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going to be recording today. And then also everybody has pet cases that they work on.
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And then and as I'm getting those updates, so I got a bunch of those updates about
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Maura Murray. has a lot of pet cases that he works on. Right. And then there's an
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the other update that I got a bunch, which isn't really update. Um there's a four-part docu-series
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coming out I believe on HBO for Adnan Syed where they follow Rabia. Okay. So, I think that's going to be really
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interesting and just based off the trailers, it's like the case is going into a new direction
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or the case is going to have a new chapter. And then anybody that followed Serial,
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it's like if if I said to you Serial is going to have four new parts and four new pieces of evidence that you're going
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to that's going to cause a lot of speculation and you'd go, "Oh, crap. When can I tune in?" Mhm. So, so at the
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same time everybody's going, "Check out this Maura Murray thing." which I love that case.
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Check out this Adnan Syed thing that's coming out soon and you go, "Oh, this is going to this is going to be good."
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Um I've been working on this JonBenét Ramsey stuff for a long time. And the last 2 weeks um
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I got sent a ton of updates. Over 100. Have you seen this thing about how how what do we want to call him? Gary H.
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Um Oliva? Oliva. Well, I don't think we're saying that right. I see this his last
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name and I want to go Olivier. That's what I want to say, but nobody else says it that way.
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It's like Olivia. Oliva. Oliv- I think that's close. Oliva. How about that? It's o l i v a, right? In case anybody
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wants to look it up. But it's like if you hear like the different announcers say it, it's like
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different every time. Right. So, I'm going to call him Gary most of the time. But Gary is a So, who is this guy? I got
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sent hundreds of updates. And this is in regards to JonBenét Ramsey case. Yeah, so he he's age 55. He's a male, white.
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He's 5'9, 180 lb. Brown hair, hazel eyes. Now, he was arrested on child pornography charges.
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Now, when he was arrested What what year? Recently? Yes, recently. Okay. I believe in 2016.
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Okay. So, some of this stuff is fact and some of this stuff is rumors. Well, there's probably a lot of
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speculation coming out about this this guy and if if he fits into the JonBenét case. So, we'll start with his recent
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arrest. In 2016. So, what he was doing was he was uploading child pornography girls under the age of 10 to email
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account. And I believe it was Google or somebody that basically once they they can intercept that stuff. Mhm.
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And when as they intercept it, they go, "Okay, well, we we need to we need to arrest this guy." Right.
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So, they uh they end up arresting him. They also believe that one of the girls in the photos were was of the age
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between 4 and 7 years old. So, JonBenét was 6 years old when she was killed. Yeah, and so, but what's
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interesting here is we go, "Okay, well, he's he's arrested. He's up for parole in July of 2020."
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Okay. Now, when he was arrested, they found I want to find the number. I believe I
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wrote down I did take a couple notes. At the time of his arrest, they found 335 photos of JonBenét.
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And a lot of the pictures that they found were of the autopsies, and those pictures were
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autopsy pictures were released to the media years and years ago. So, how he printed those off or it doesn't
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really tell you. Did he print these off on paper and cut them out? Did he print them off on photo paper? Did he have
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them developed somewhere? It's not very clear. Right. But, it's just of the time
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of the arrest, he had 335 photos of JonBenét Ramsey. So, you have this situation where you go,
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well, and and this is Boulder, Colorado. Where was she murdered? Boulder, right?
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Right. So, then you go, "Well, who is this Gary guy?" Well, Gary was kind of like
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the local What do they call that guy? Uh the local drifter. Didn't really have a home.
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He was technically not homeless, but you never knew where he really went. Mhm. He was
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just this guy around town. And he was in the area during the time, lived in the area
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during the time that um drifted in the area during the time of 1996. Well, not only drifted,
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but he's a registered sex offender. Okay. So, he has to have a address. Now, this is
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part of the rumor. I can't I can't find this to be fact. Uh so, part of the rumor is that he had
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a address in Boulder, and it was 10 blocks away from the Ramsey's household. So, that's just something to keep in
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mind. So, where where it gets interesting is that he's been writing one of his high
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school friends named let me interrupt you real quick before you go into this cuz it could get
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lengthy. Mhm. Um and I know that you you might have to guess for your answer, but
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with his registered address, right? We can't confirm he actually lived there, but he has to have a registered address.
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Right, the the rumor is that that was the address he used. Okay. To for the registry, that does not mean he actually
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lived there. Right. Is there any speculation that that Is there any speculation that that was like whose
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house was that? Would be my first question. I don't know. I haven't heard any rumors of whose house that was
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because you can't use a fake address, and you can't just use like can see if it's a physical address or
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not. Right, Gary couldn't use his mother's address if she didn't want him to. Right, you have to get someone to agree
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to that. So, that's where my first question comes because let's say if a Well, the rumor is it was a legit
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address. If it was 10 blocks, that's not like a cheap neighborhood, and this guy's
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described as a drifter. I don't usually Mhm. think of drifters as holding a lot of money. Right. So,
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be curious to see if that's like his parents' house or you know, some kind of relative or a friend, but yeah, you're
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right. He has to have some legit physical address. Okay, sorry. I didn't mean to hijack anything. Just a
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question. So, he has been in contact since since really the '90s with one of his
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friends from high school or acquaintance from high school named Michael Vail. And
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Michael Vail is a music publicist. Okay. And so, he gets arrested and he starts writing letters recently
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um mostly postcards, but writing to Michael Vail again. Now, my understanding, my limited understanding
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of this information is this. Michael Vail and Gary Oliva are very different walks of life, right? I
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mean, they're acquaintances. Yeah. is is rough because Cuz immediately, some people are
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probably like, "Oh, this Vail guy is a real dirtbag, right?" Right, cuz he's friends with this guy.
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But but it we don't know the nature of that friendship and it actually sounds like
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it's it they live in different worlds almost. Huge different worlds and on top of
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that, Michael Vail is respected in his field of being a music publicist and just in the field of being a publicist
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in general. So, we'll get more into why he's still has contact with this guy that we know is a
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dirtbag. So, during these postcards, now here's another I'm going to say rumor and not fact, is
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some people believe that there's at least three. And as far as law enforcement goes, they
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have had they've at least mentioned that there's three. So, that would be fact, but maybe three to five letters that
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Michael Vail received where Gary is confessing to being present when JonBenét died.
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Now, what I mean by that is he's everybody's going, "Well, he's confessing that he
00:27:01
murdered her." No, what he's confessing is that he was taking her away and that she hit her head and then she
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died. Mhm. So, the death itself was accidental. So, now we've heard this before. Now, what
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is interesting though is the the ran- ransom note. When the ransom note was left,
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you start instantly going, "Well, of course it's probably somebody in the family
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cuz this ransom note doesn't make any sense. Who writes a ransom note inner circle. Right. Who writes a ransom
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note and then doesn't take the kid with them? Doesn't make any sense. Right. Right?
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You write a ransom note, you take the kid with you. Mhm. But they But somebody wrote a ransom note and then the then a
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dead girl's found in the house. Mhm. Well, based off what he's saying, then it makes sense. You write a ransom note
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as you're leaving, and this is what he stated is as they're leaving, she hit her head and then she died. Now,
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there's two different stories. Uh if you look into the autopsy, at first it was definitely she died from
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strangulation. Now, it seems like the the head the head injury was more violent than we would think and that
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there's there's kind of some speculation that she didn't die from actual strangulation. She died from that blunt
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force trauma. And but what we do what we do know is that she had a garrote tied around her. Right.
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So, so anyways, Michael Veale gets these notes, doesn't hide the notes, goes to law enforcement right away,
00:28:51
gets more stuff sent to him, Mhm. and gives all that stuff, turns it over to law enforcement. Now, law enforcement,
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here's again, here's another rumor. Everybody keeps saying that law enforcement has dismissed this, saying
00:29:06
we've already looked into Gary, and we don't believe there's anything there. That's really not the statement.
00:29:13
Okay. The statement more from law enforcement is, we will look more into this. So,
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so let's go backwards though, because you go, okay, well, we got this pedophile.
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He's arrested two years ago. The stuff that he is uploading and he got arrested for,
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you would say fits in what I'd say the profile of somebody that would be capable of
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murdering this young girl. Or ab- Or abduction. Abducting, we should say, I guess. If If
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we are to believe his story that it was an accidental death. Right. So, Okay, so here's where it gets
00:29:54
interesting. So, like we said, he used an address that was 10 blocks from the Ramsey's
00:30:02
household, and that was back in 1996. So, why is Gary calling Michael Vail? Or writing to Michael Vail. Mhm. Well,
00:30:13
on December 26th, 19- 96, the day that JonBenét was killed, Gary called Vail and was crying and said
00:30:24
that he hurt a little girl. And he said this over and over, no details. He didn't say murder, he said he hurt a
00:30:32
girl. So, at the time, Michael Vail thought, well, this guy's kind of crazy, I need to
00:30:41
I need to look into this. So, he starts searching and finds out that there was a girl
00:30:46
murdered that day. Mhm. So, he contacts law enforcement. Leaves a couple messages for the
00:30:53
detectives. Well, once the story blows up and it becomes overnight TV sensation.
00:31:00
Now, when he's calling it's going right to a hotline where all you can do is leave a message.
00:31:05
He leaves messages for a week, possibly 2 weeks. Never gets a call back. Right. But he thought, "Hey, at that point,
00:31:13
I've done I've done what I need to do." And and also Gary's not in contact with him anymore
00:31:21
after that. So, that's on December 26th. So, 2000 4 years later. Now, there's rumors that Gary was a
00:31:34
suspect in 1996, but in 2000 Gary is arrested on on related charges, drug charges.
00:31:43
And when they find him because he is a drifter, he has this book bag. And in the book bag they find a picture
00:31:50
of JonBenét Ramsey and a stun gun. Now, they take his DNA and then they said the DNA didn't match.
00:32:01
Well, Gary says when it doesn't match, "Hey, I think you guys are putting too much emphasis on this DNA."
00:32:08
Mhm. Now, at first we knew there was DNA in 1996, we knew there was DNA. But the more testing they did, they
00:32:17
found two spots of DNA from two different males. Mhm. And that's why for a while people thought
00:32:26
law enforcement believed that it was done by more than one person. Which even if it was done by Gary and it
00:32:33
was an accident, there could have been another person with him. Right. But the DNA didn't match. So, they said, "Well,
00:32:39
he was a suspect, but he's not now." So, in 2002, Gary ends up talking to CBS News and says that he would like to
00:32:50
build a memorial for JonBenét Ramsey. And that's kind of weird. Also, in 1996, they believe that at the
00:32:59
candlelight vigil, one of the vigils, that that he was there. Now, that doesn't mean he's guilty of
00:33:07
anything. Right, but it it does fit, you know, things that we've seen in the past. You
00:33:12
know, Douglas and and a lot of FBI profilers would tell you, "Hey, if there's going to be some kind of public
00:33:18
memorial that's that's been publicized and you're inviting everyone in the public, let's uh take some pictures of
00:33:24
the crowd and let's write down license plate plates while we're there because our guy might be in that crowd." Right.
00:33:31
So, at first, when people were sending me this, I've heard about his confessions before.
00:33:36
He's confessed before 2018. But now that he's doing it with Michael Vail, well, maybe Michael Vail is going
00:33:43
to be able to get the publicity it needs to be looked into seriously, which I think Michael Vail's doing a great job
00:33:51
of that. Cuz obviously, we're talking about it. Just to be clear, if anybody's out there wondering, this is not the
00:33:57
same guy as John Mark Carr. John Mark Carr is the guy that came out, what, in the what, 2006, 2007, somewhere around
00:34:05
there, and he was like living in another country, and he had a similar story where he was saying, "I can't explain
00:34:11
it, but I was there when she died." Mhm. And they brought him to the United States and they questioned him and then
00:34:18
cleared him. I don't know I don't know that they cleared him, but they they kind of said they don't believe his
00:34:21
story, basically. Well, I Yeah, but I think they actually did clear him. Okay. And but then, it
00:34:28
was all cleared on DNA. And what does Carr say? You guys shouldn't be putting so much
00:34:34
emphasis on this DNA. Well, Oliva was saying that. Or was Carr saying that, too?
00:34:39
Carr said that, too. Both of them said it. Both of them said it, which I find very
00:34:43
interesting. Now, that's not these people together any way? Like, can we do Two two freaks?
00:34:49
Are John and Gary Do they know each other even? I mean, are they friends? You know, these these
00:34:56
Well, because Carr is now in Oregon, I believe. Okay. Or well, all they say is the upper Northwest. Got you. And but
00:35:04
but but what I do know is Gary has charges in Oregon. So Well, and a lot of these pedophiles like
00:35:13
will trade like you know, Well, he could be uploading pictures for him. Right, and that's what I'm
00:35:19
saying. Like, you know, we we always talk about the these child sex rings or whatever. Do they exist? Don't they
00:35:25
exist? They exist, people. They do, but I I don't know that they fit into every you know, case and every story. Yeah,
00:35:32
most of the time they're not getting together and like playing poker. Right. The it's a lot of this stuff is just
00:35:39
communications online or through text messages. But they trade they trade pictures and stuff.
00:35:45
Right, and videos. Yeah, and videos. So, I mean, is there any way to digitally electronically connect these two even if
00:35:52
they were email pen pals or something? Yeah, well, it's tough with the Carr guy, too, because Carr is now
00:35:59
I believe he transitioned into a female. I believe so. I I I don't know that that's 100% right, but I I remember that
00:36:08
being um said even back when he came when they started looking at him. I feel like that was like 10 years ago.
00:36:18
Okay. What are we calling him again? Gary? Gary Oliva Oliva? Oliva. Let's go Oliva.
00:36:24
Okay, so let's just let's do a quick recap. Guy's a little strange. In 1996, possibly lived 10 doors down. He was a
00:36:33
10 doors or 10 blocks? 10 blocks down. He was a drifter in Boulder. Uh he was a pedophile, registered sex
00:36:42
offender. On December 26th, 1996, he called Michael Veal and said, "Hey, I hurt a girl." The day that she was
00:36:50
found, he calls someone. It's not really in the news yet. Doesn't call someone. his friend.
00:36:58
Michael Veal. Yeah, he calls Michael Veal and says, "I've hurt a little girl." Right, but this is the same Here's
00:37:03
what's interesting to me is in 1996, he tells all this stuff to who? Michael Veal.
00:37:09
Doesn't tell it to a bunch of other people. Right. Cuz it's Michael Veal. And then, in 2018, reaches out through
00:37:16
letter and actually confesses to the crime. Okay, so like Okay, so again, 2000 he
00:37:25
Gary's arrested. Photo of JonBenét. I don't think that's a big deal, but the stun gun is kind of
00:37:32
like, what's going on here? The DNA doesn't match, so they basically clear him. 2002, Gary tells CBS he'd like to make a
00:37:42
giant like memorial shrine to JonBenét Ramsey. All right. So, He certainly got enough photos to
00:37:51
start that memorial. Right. Now, here's where I what I can't find more information about.
00:37:58
So, Gary was arrested before all this, I think even before 1996, for trying to strangle his own mother
00:38:06
Okay. with a telephone cord. Gosh. But the telephone cord was knotted up, like somebody put knots in it.
00:38:14
That's not that big of a deal, but I just wanted to put that out. Okay. So, So, this guy
00:38:21
So, he's what we do know about him and can say for certain one with the child porn charges, we know
00:38:29
he is some form of pedophile and two he does have at least one violent offense. Well and based off of the what they
00:38:40
think the age range of the girls in the photos it would put very close to the age of JonBenet
00:38:48
Ramsey. They're all under 10 for sure but it's you know so this guy is a complete sicko but on top of that it's
00:38:55
narrowing down that age frame cuz some some of these guys are into like two year olds, three year olds. You know
00:39:02
he's kind of sticking around the seven year old mark. Okay so in 2002 Gary was convicted of assaulting a seven
00:39:12
year old girl in Oregon. So now we have assaulting and we have that seven year old the
00:39:19
victimology is matching up. And and we'll bring up his letters and and read some of that stuff in a minute.
00:39:26
Do we know the details of that any of the details of that assault? No. Okay. I could not find that anywhere either.
00:39:34
right. I mean again this is all limited time stuff so I find this very interesting
00:39:50
and I think people need to dive into this more so I'm almost asking for help here.
00:39:54
You're also not saying this is the guy. You're you're saying this is some interesting stuff that's coming out and
00:39:59
it could play into the JonBenet case. I mean he's already connecting himself to the victim. Right and so the other
00:40:07
interesting thing this is another rumor but Ram the the Ramsey family hired uh, private
00:40:16
investigator back in 1996. They um, their private investigator came forward at some year. I want to say it
00:40:27
was 2000 when when Gary first became on their radar and was saying that even though law enforcement,
00:40:36
because of the DNA and all that stuff which here's the tricky thing about the DNA, too. The DNA clears
00:40:44
Burke. The DNA clears uh, John. It clears the mother. Yeah, it clears everybody in the house. Right.
00:40:51
Practically, I mean, I I I think it clears the family and people working in the house. Right. And and we know that
00:40:58
the area was tampered with. We know that it was compromised. That's what law enforcement has said. That's not a
00:41:03
rumor. That's fact. They said it was uh, compromised. Compro- 100%. 100% compromised. And a lot of that is
00:41:12
because of the Ramsey house. were showing up because they had a scheduled like get-together at their
00:41:17
house on that day and through the panic of what was going on. yeah, technically they were supposed to
00:41:23
leave on a plane, but then because they didn't leave, it was like, everybody come over to our house.
00:41:27
Right. Okay, so what, 40 40 minutes into the show? Now, now what does this all mean? You know,
00:41:40
I I don't know, but it fits the profile. And what's our good buddy? We have so many of them.
00:41:48
Mindhunter. Oh, John Douglas. John Douglas. The more I think of profiling, the more
00:41:55
that's like a ingenious science. But, wouldn't you say everything I've said so far
00:42:03
he fits the profile? Mhm. Well, it depends on which profile are you talk to regarding this particular case.
00:42:13
Right. And I And I only say that because the majority of profilers that have looked at this case say that it was
00:42:20
someone in the inner circle of that household. They They not going to go so far to say
00:42:30
that it was a a family member. Not all of them have said that. But the majority do. Douglas says that it was
00:42:35
somebody else. That it wasn't somebody on the inner circle. But Right. So, do I want
00:42:40
to believe these clowns or do I want to believe John Douglas? Well, but so then you're referring to
00:42:46
wrestler as a clown and and uh And and several other very well-respected profilers.
00:42:54
Let Let me try to read his note real quick, though. Okay? So, this is the This is the only one
00:43:00
that I know for sure has been leaked. So, this one has been leaked, but I think the other ones
00:43:07
I don't think they go into more detail, but there's but the the letters that have been sent, they're
00:43:12
all a part of a written confession. If that makes any sense. Right. So, and uh so, here's here's what the letter
00:43:21
says. Please uh please don't give up on me. I never loved anyone like I did JonBenét
00:43:31
and yet I let her slip and her head bash in half and I watched her die. It was an accident. Please believe me.
00:43:42
She was not like the other kids. Now, we know that he has charges against him as far as assaulting,
00:43:51
but I also think that this she was not like the other kids plays into there there's more accounts
00:43:58
of um sexual assault and more accounts of possibly even child murder that people need to look into Gary for.
00:44:10
Then he goes on to say, "Please don't hate me. You're the only person I write to.
00:44:17
I am uh I sorry. I'm evil and murder children." Now again, that's not talking about JonBenét.
00:44:27
That's talking about in general. So, we do not have charges against him for killing of kids.
00:44:35
This guy needs to be looked at the the area of Boulder needs to be looked at. You know, missing person cases need to
00:44:42
be looked at. Could he could Gary be responsible for them? I I believe so. Obviously not all of them, but I'm just
00:44:50
saying in that area if we have a missing girl under the age of 10, I'm telling you
00:44:55
Gary's a good suspect for it. And he's up for parole in 2020, so I'm just saying if you get to him now
00:45:03
and he's confessing to a friend, maybe he would confess to a crime that they could actually pin on him.
00:45:10
Okay, so then he goes on to say, "Please don't turn your back on me. Please keep
00:45:14
writing to me. I can consider myself to be very lucky to know you. Gary." Now, if you look at his writing
00:45:24
and you you look at the ransom note, it's it's different. It's just different. But
00:45:30
I would argue that it's not so far different that he couldn't have changed it over
00:45:38
time. So, if that makes any sense. Can you see like the two? Like obviously here he's capitalizing everything.
00:45:49
He has certain little things that he does when he writes, but you know, that could be something that you change over
00:45:55
a time period. It doesn't look too far-fetched. Like even like his eyes His eyes and again
00:46:04
eyes are going to look pretty similar. But um yeah, I don't know. And I saw it's also
00:46:11
a way different pen. Like to me, if I have a fatter pen or a thinner pen or the paper, the texture
00:46:18
I'll write a little different. But I'll believe them when they said his handwriting does not match
00:46:25
the ransom note. Okay, so maybe it doesn't. But maybe served us there with him. A lot of questions. Well, here here's
00:46:34
one thing that I always think of. And I apologize to any of the handwriting analyst out there
00:46:41
Mhm. in advance for what I'm about to say. Cuz he's going to [ __ ] all over your parade.
00:46:46
I don't like I don't like like any of you. Uh handwriting uh analysis used in in court so much to
00:46:55
say that someone is is the guy or girl. Right. Um or woman, I'm sorry. The thing is
00:47:03
it for me handwriting analysis it seems very similar to when they use hairs and fibers. Where you can say they're
00:47:13
similar, we can't rule this person out, but I don't know that you can specifically identify that person as
00:47:20
being the author uh who penned that letter or ransom note. Um Right. ransom letter. And so
00:47:30
I say ransom letter because ransom note, as we know it from crime buffs, they're
00:47:35
short and they're quick to the point. Right, that's that left at Ramsey's was a letter.
00:47:40
Yeah, it was it was a book. It was a damn Right. And so uh you know where Here's the thing. Let's say this guy did
00:47:50
write the ransom letter. Mhm. Let's say Gary did. Not only do you have all this time that
00:47:56
is passed between the the two uh samples that we're looking at to compare handwriting
00:48:02
analysis. Right. But you're also talking about sometimes and for a lot of people handwriting is
00:48:09
can be very mood based. So picture this. It we know that the letter came from a pad of paper that was in the Ramsey
00:48:19
home. Mhm. So did this Gary guy break in earlier while they were gone and he pens
00:48:26
this ransom letter? But you would think he would be in a heightened state of excitement during
00:48:32
that time. And you also mentioned that the pen. That's those two instruments are different when you compare those two
00:48:39
samples that we have. There was a different type of pen used. So was he in a heightened state of
00:48:44
excitement when he wrote the ransom letter and then later when he's writing his friend or someone he wants
00:48:53
to be his friend, Mhm. that's a very controlled situation where he's he's you know he's
00:49:00
sitting down and he's begging this person to be his friend. Don't give up on me. It's a very controlled thing.
00:49:06
It's not like oh I got to scribble this thing as fast as I can because they might come home soon.
00:49:12
So I I think it's too difficult to there's too many variables is what I would say regarding that. Yeah and I
00:49:18
think um Okay so that I'm going to try to put a bow on this, right? So I don't know what this means but when
00:49:27
you're sent this a hundred times and my my initial response was this guy confessed before from what I remember
00:49:34
and I also heard when somebody sent it to me I sent it to my friend and they said oh yeah didn't they dismiss that
00:49:41
guy they cleared that guy based off DNA and I was like okay well that's where Well maybe the DNA is just wrong and
00:49:47
maybe we need to re-examine that of of case but So we got all this stuff. He likes victims in that age. He
00:49:57
obviously has obsession with JonBenét. At some point, they say that he's possibly schizophrenic. Now, that again
00:50:05
is a rumor, and I'm going to say that it is that is a rumor because now we have the guy in
00:50:10
jail, and we don't know if he's being treated for that. I think that would come out during this
00:50:16
while all this other stuff is coming out. Right. You would think that would come
00:50:20
out. And then, if you're in a different mental state, do you write differently? Mhm. Do you
00:50:26
you know another variable. Again, well Right. It's very odd that they get the bonus
00:50:32
money correct of JonBenét Ramsey, but we have this guy in 1996 within 10 blocks or registered to be
00:50:40
within 10 blocks of this girl. We know that he was obsessed with her. We also know that um
00:50:47
uh that he he you know he It's like he assaulted a girl that's seven. So, he he's capable of doing
00:50:55
this. And uh what what else was I I going to say? Um Let's see. He's um Okay, so you have all this stuff that
00:51:08
puts him in the area, and you go, this guy could be the guy. He was at a candlelight vigil. Another rumor was
00:51:14
that during the Christmas tour, which the Ramsey house would have been open to the Christmas tour, these uh uh people
00:51:20
were allowed to go into people's houses and and look through them, and it was part
00:51:24
of this whole Christmas lights and Christmas tour. And there's some rumors that he might
00:51:28
have been at their house at that time. Which I told you last week, they got a odd random 911 call during that whole
00:51:38
thing. And a lot of people believe that that was somebody prepping the house to get inside the house, call 911,
00:51:48
see how fast the response time was. Um, so that's that's something. Anyways. But I just dismissed it to 100 people.
00:51:58
Hey, they they kind of cleared this guy before the DNA doesn't match. Yeah, that's about it. So I but I wanted
00:52:05
to dive into it more. And I thought that's just all I had, but I came across something that was very
00:52:11
interesting from from Michael Vail. So and take take this for whatever you will.
00:52:21
But I found this to be the most interesting stuff. So Gary was known for a long time
00:52:33
and by not just one person, not my Michael Vail, but a lot of people. Many people.
00:52:42
To carry around brushes when he was a art student. Now, what was the garrote made out of?
00:52:53
Paint brush. Paint brush. And here's this guy that was a art student. But the paint brush came from
00:53:00
the Ramsey home. Maybe. Maybe is all I'm saying. I mean, that's what the speculation has been is
00:53:08
that the paint brush they convinced came from the Ramsey home. We have a crime scene that is very contaminated.
00:53:17
So is it possible that they went, well, here's some brushes, this looks close enough, it came from it. No big deal.
00:53:25
But what if it didn't? Now you have this guy that confessed to the crimes, was in
00:53:29
that area, has assaulted people before, blah blah blah blah blah, also carries around brushes.
00:53:36
And and that's known by a lot of people. On top of that he studied knots. And one of the things he Now, that's
00:53:45
again one of those things when you go, "Oh, he studied knots. Okay. No big deal." You know, like some people blow
00:53:52
that up. I go, "A lot of people study knots. That don't mean he shit." Right. But what's interesting is he used to
00:53:59
draw and paint those knots. Oh, that's that's weird. Which is a little strange. So, if you take that, he's carrying
00:54:06
around this art equipment with him. He also carries around a stun gun with him. Mhm.
00:54:11
And um and he would take these drawings and these pictures of the knots and he would put them in these collages
00:54:20
that were done by, you know, you know, student art shows and stuff like that. So, this is like something that was
00:54:26
happening before 1996. And then you have this this murder take place. But, the brush thing I find super
00:54:37
interesting. You know, yeah, I the whole thing's very interesting because it's again, it's
00:54:43
another one of these weird situations where you have so many things that point to
00:54:50
possible circumstantial evidence, let's say, Right. for this guy or against him,
00:54:56
however you want to word that. Um or for his story, to believe him. Um but then you know what's what's really weird
00:55:05
about this? So, let's say Let's say he did do it, okay? Let's go down that path for a little bit.
00:55:14
Mhm. If his DNA isn't found on her and other people's DNA is found on her, can you realize how difficult for the
00:55:23
prosecution that will be in trial? Because now, not only do they have to prove that he killed her,
00:55:30
but then they also have to prove that this is how this other person's DNA got on our victim and we can prove that that
00:55:37
person didn't kill her. Right. You know what I mean? It gets Where Where most prosecutors only have
00:55:42
to prove that one person did it, now you have a situation where a prosecutor would be forced to prove that someone
00:55:48
else didn't do it. Right. And what I wonder is if there is some if we test him and he
00:55:55
is schizophrenic, is there a possibility that he was there with somebody and doesn't remember it
00:56:02
exactly how it happened? Right. And he goes, "Well, I witnessed an accident." Or did you witness a
00:56:08
murder? Was there somebody else with you? So, all that Okay, so all that's interesting. The The The The
00:56:16
paintbrush to me is super interesting. Which somebody told me I should stop saying super interesting.
00:56:23
Really? Well, but Can there be different levels of interesting? I guess not. There's a It's either a coincidence or
00:56:32
it's not a coincidence. There are no different levels of coincidences. Well, the funny thing though, too, is a lot of
00:56:37
people will say that they hate the way I say interesting. I say interesting. No T, right? Okay. That's not how I
00:56:47
pronounce it in real life. I say interesting. Like if I say mountain, I say mountain. Right.
00:56:55
Like I I actually pronounce my T's really hard, but over the Anyways. Yeah, he loves the
00:57:01
T's. But not when not when we're doing the show. I try to make it not so harsh on
00:57:06
the ears. So, it's super interesting. So, here's another little rumor. And I think this is
00:57:16
I I'm not throwing Michael Vail under the bus cuz I think Michael Vail is a really
00:57:22
good guy. And I think he thinks that law enforcement should take this really serious.
00:57:27
And not just that it's a confession, but I think it's also a confession that he hurt other kids.
00:57:34
And if you can get him to Maybe you can't Maybe there's not enough evidence for you to to charge him
00:57:41
in the JonBenét Ramsey case, but maybe you can get him to confess to something else.
00:57:46
And then he's not released from jail. Uh and two years Well, and you're spot on there, man,
00:57:51
because if you I feel like if you are Look, he he seems to be willing to talk to someone.
00:57:56
You know, he's telling Michael Vail this. Right. So, he's willing to talk to someone. Can
00:58:02
you have him in a controlled environment right now. You know where he is. You can
00:58:06
You can access him at any time that you want to up until July of 2020. Right. So, if in fact there is smoke here,
00:58:17
let's let's sit him down and see if there's a fire. Right. Cuz this is the opportunity to do so. A
00:58:22
drifter is not so easy to trace once he gets out and he's roaming about. Right. And this guy has multiple, you
00:58:30
know, assaulting kids, child child pornography charges. Just a bad dude. We don't want him on
00:58:38
the streets. But on top of that, yeah, I I I think I told you that he was arrested for attempting to choke his
00:58:46
mom. Right. So, I I think this information is coming from Michael Vail, but it might be
00:58:52
coming from a different source, but this is again rumor. Mhm. But it was a phone cord that
00:58:58
he tried to choke his mom with. Now, here's what's weird is you got the phone cord that goes from the phone to
00:59:04
the the phone base to the phone handle. Right. And that's normally curly. But there's also the phone line that
00:59:12
goes from the phone to the phone wall, which is normally straight. And that that that is often what is most used
00:59:18
back in the day when people would strangle someone with a telephone Yeah. Right. So, what was interesting is
00:59:25
it's rumored to believe whatever knots were used in the JonBenét Ramsey case were the same knots they used to try to
00:59:32
strangle his mother. I'm going to have to do a little research. That that that has scratched
00:59:38
me where I itch my friend because I would love testicles. I I want I want to know if they were if they were
00:59:45
complicated knots. You know what I mean? Like cuz anybody you know, there's some
00:59:50
knots that anybody can do. And like like I said, this is probably 6 hours of of research which is not really that long
00:59:58
compared to what sometimes we end up spending on our weekly cases. Right. But it I mean that's the
01:00:04
information I got. Hopefully, if you're interested in this case or interested in
01:00:09
to diving to this more that gives you kind of a head start. Uh so cuz it's the one of those things when you're reading
01:00:15
through that stuff about him uh carrying around paint brushes and things like that. It's you don't find that in most
01:00:22
of the articles. Like you might read five or six and they never even talk about it. So but once you have and I
01:00:29
this is what I've been trying to do more lately and and you know as far as like research goes is when I'm reading
01:00:35
something to start jotting down my notes so then in the next article I can start sifting through and going,
01:00:43
oh I know I know that already. Move on. You know what I mean? Or find things to to verify other
01:00:49
statements that have been made and so forth. Or if you can A lot of times what I love is the little the the trail of
01:00:55
breadcrumbs is what I call it where one article will give you a just a little nugget and then you find some more
01:01:00
information later that adds to that that story. Gives you some details of what went down. Can I say that you know, I I
01:01:08
got to go here in a little bit but but before There goes scratch your testicles.
01:01:13
Before I jump on my my motorbike and ride off into the sunset. Yeah. Um You should have drove a motorcycle in here.
01:01:22
You I saw somebody um So, we got a bunch of snow yesterday. The roads were terrible. Like I I did a uh drive that
01:01:30
usually takes me 25 minutes took me like an hour and 15 and I saw like eight eight or nine accidents. I was keeping I
01:01:36
was keeping a tally in my mind. Yeah. All of them but two were single-car accidents. You know, somebody just like
01:01:42
spun off the road. But, I saw some poor dude, he's driving his brand new Corvette
01:01:47
Oh, god. on that same trip and I thought, man, he I he looks like he knows what he's doing, thank god. But,
01:01:53
um My neighbor, as I was leaving, he drives a like an old Mustang. Mhm. Not like a not like a vintage one,
01:02:02
but like Like an '80s, 1980s, '90s? Like 2000s. Okay. Cuz I think about that, 2000s, that's
01:02:10
technically old now. Well, I have a 2004 Cadillac and I have to remind some of my
01:02:16
friends uh that it's 14 15 years old. car. It's 15 years old. That's why the heat
01:02:24
doesn't work. Yeah. Yeah. Uh but, can I say this to you this is actually for nobody else other than me and you,
01:02:31
but what I guess we'll leave my mic on here. That's what the show's for. For me and you. You know, I I want to I
01:02:38
think I want to cover this case now. Like I mean, not not right now. Like not right now in this moment, but we've said
01:02:45
for a long time we wouldn't cover it. I think I think this is our year. I think we should. I mean, like I was
01:02:52
sold that Burke did it and then I looked into the stuff about the the lie detector test and if they did
01:03:00
pass and you do believe that, then you go, "The Ramseys didn't know what happened."
01:03:05
And I can start making logical sense of everything. Just like, you know, I told you before the detective detective
01:03:12
friend of mine said, "Uh they called their lawyer before they called the cops. Why would they do that?
01:03:20
Right? Well, so I was watching a video the other day and I think I explained this before,
01:03:24
but I was watching this video where the girl says, "If you got a ransom note, why would you
01:03:30
call the cops when the ransom note tells you not to call the cops?" Well, you called the cops because you called your
01:03:36
lawyers before and you asked them what to do and they said, "Hey, you need to take this serious, but just go ahead and
01:03:42
call the cops." They said, "That's probably why they called the the I'm I'm not saying that's that's
01:03:49
definitive why they called their lawyers. What I'm saying is we know that they called the lawyers before they
01:03:54
called the cops, but what's a logical reason? Because the letter says don't call
01:04:01
don't contact the law enforcement. Anyways, So, wait. I got Sorry. I have regarding the ransom letter.
01:04:13
This is one thing that's always struck me as just completely crazy and out of bounds, right?
01:04:18
Right. So, let's if if we let's pretend that we believe 100% that the Ramsey's or someone on the inner circle of that
01:04:27
household did not write the ransom letter. That that the actual perpetrator of the
01:04:34
crime wrote the ransom letter. Mhm. Here's what's always stood out to me. Ed Edwards. I question the mental health of
01:04:42
the author if it's not one of the Ramsey's or not somebody on their inner circle. And I say that because of one
01:04:50
multiple statements in that letter, but one in particular. "We are a small foreign faction. We are members of a
01:04:57
small foreign faction." Here's the thing. Even Nobody says that. Even a member of a small foreign faction
01:05:05
wouldn't say that. Mhm. Or pen it in a ransom letter. It's just it's it's crazy. Right. So, all
01:05:11
right. I think Should we cover it? We'll cover it. We got to cover it. Yeah. So,
01:05:16
maybe we will stop talking about it on this show. We'll stop talking about it on this show.
01:05:19
like a six-part, maybe eight-part Anyways, Eight-part? My point being is that now we have this
01:05:26
guy and maybe before we cover it, there'll be some updates and stuff and It's going to get solved now and we
01:05:33
won't get the chance to cover it. Well, we can still cover cover it once it's solved. This is one of those cases
01:05:38
that's so big that it's like what you were told and what really happened is normally not the same things.
01:05:48
So, you know what I mean? So, it's like you you go, "Oh, I think this happened."
01:05:52
or "I think that happened." Well, we could talk about this case right now for two Well, [ __ ] we've been
01:05:56
talking about it for an hour now already, but but like okay, so so for one good example here, somebody that I
01:06:03
obviously have a lot of respect for, John Douglas, as you said, put together a profile. Well, he was he was hired by
01:06:10
the Ramseys. I I don't know if they technically paid him or if he just met with them.
01:06:14
hired by the Ramseys and he said it couldn't have been anybody in the house. Well, there are statements out there
01:06:20
that the Ramseys were hiring a defense team when they nobody had presented charges against them yet. And so, when
01:06:27
you say that they had a private investigator that probably had multiples, uh if they had if they did
01:06:33
have a profiler, John Douglas, who made a profile of someone else other than the
01:06:38
Ramseys or or at least said that he believes that in his heart, I think his words were, "In my heart, I believe that
01:06:44
the Ramseys didn't do this." Um wouldn't that be better if like a guy like John Douglas came out and he said, "I believe
01:06:51
in my farts." that they didn't do it. In my heart of farts. In my farts of hearts.
01:06:57
But, the thing the thing to keep in mind that's really interesting when you talk
01:07:01
about that aspect of the case, their private investigator, John Douglas, so on and so forth.
01:07:07
Keep in mind, those investigators, John Douglas, they had limited uh evidence to look at when coming up with
01:07:17
their opinion on the case because what law enforcement said was, "Yeah, I understand that you're hired by the
01:07:24
Ramseys to help solve this case. We can't give you a lot of the stuff that we have for you to form an opinion
01:07:31
because we consider them suspects." Right. But, that's also when they were doing their initial questioning, too.
01:07:38
When they came back for more questioning, the Ramseys said, "Hey, you need to tell us more." And some people
01:07:44
find that fishy, but I also think that John Ramsey found himself to be a smart person.
01:07:50
And I think he thought, "Give me some of this information and I can do more with it than you are."
01:07:56
And I think they wanted that information to turn over to their private investigators. If they had one or two,
01:08:01
or maybe three, but when you have contacts where you're you're hiring John John Douglas, do you
01:08:07
want local law enforcement looking at the evidence or do you want John Douglas looking at at it? Mhm. I'm taking John
01:08:14
Douglas, you know, every day of the week and twice on Sundays. There you go. See you on Sunday. Yeah, so uh we'll
01:08:21
we'll post a little just a area on the website. Let me know what you think about this Gary's
01:08:28
confession and and what your thoughts are on us possibly covering this case. Yes. Yes, please cheer us on and we will
01:08:35
cover it unless everybody poo-poos the idea, then we'll probably still cover it.
01:08:40
Then we'll still do it. And then all right. All right. I got to get on my motorcycle.
01:09:05
Mhm.