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beer, and let's talk some true crime. And we are back with the second part of the My Trice Richardson case. Yeah. So,
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a quick recap. We got a 24 year old. She's arrested on Wednesday night. She is put in jail. She's there for a couple
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hours. They release her and then maybe, you know, there's possible sighting of her maybe as a prowler in somebody's
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yard. Um, so she's been missing for several days. They've done several searches,
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>> big scale searches, >> right? The family is basically at a loss. We have we have a bunch of areas,
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a bunch of red flags going up. We got a lot of fumbling around by the sheriff's department and law enforcement and and
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all these we're getting less answers and more questions at this point in the case.
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>> And pretty much the standpoint by the two parties involved in this. We have the sheriff's department who they're
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kind of saying that they believe she probably just took off. Um, and what the family is saying is, "No, we don't
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believe she took off." Mother's intuition is that somebody picked her up. You guys let her go in the middle of
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the night in the dark. She was in an unfamiliar area. She probably got picked up by somebody, got in a car, and that's
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why we It's been months and we've not seen her. And where we left off was several months after the case and after
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the investigation and the searches have gone on, the family has begged the sheriff's department for the release of
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surveillance footage inside the jail from that evening when she was picked up. And they're claiming there was no
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tape and then all of a sudden there is a tape. Amazing. It just it just appears out of nowhere. Well, not out of
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nowhere. It's in the captain's desk the entire time. >> Look, magic. It's magic. Well, then some
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some other magical items happen that it takes it takes three months for them to decide to show the video to the family.
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The family thinks that the video has been doctorred. Um, and it's they have some good points. Now, we've not seen
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the video. I I don't believe that that it's available to the public. >> Well, I've seen clips of it, but
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>> you've seen clips, >> but I've only seen the clips where um I believe it was on Disappeared. So, if
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you're looking for something cool to watch, I know Disappeared, they have all their episodes on Hulu. That might be
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something that would be interesting to check out. But they do show some clips, but it's just of her in the jail cell.
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>> Yeah. >> And so it's kind of like, and again, I don't know what her baseline is, so I
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can't tell you if her actions are are weird or not. I know that um like we talked about that she was a go- go
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dancer, but she also had a a background in actual dance. And so, you know, maybe
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she's just kind of a restless person. And so, I don't know. The family said it was a little odd, but the thing that the
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family is starting to stick to is as she's leaving the station, she turns right, I believe, uh, out out of the
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station. And a little bit after, um, her leaving, a deputy leaves. >> He leaves from a from another door close
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by. And he leaves about 2 minutes after she leaves the building. >> Right. And basically,
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okay, so let's view let's look at it from the viewpoint of the family. >> Mhm. every turn it seems like the the
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law enforcement is not on your side. Seems like they're hiding stuff. So then you start becoming very weary of one
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their competency, how much they actually care or were they involved, >> right? >> And so when they see this and they know
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that, you know, it took you months and months and months to tell us that you even had a tape and then once you had a
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tape, it took you months and months and months for us to see the tape. Now that we see it, you've told us several times
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that there was no deputies on duty at the jail and now we see one in the footage. So, are you trying to cover up
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for this guy? So, we have this we have this deputy. Now, they don't want to release his name, but what they did find
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out was this deputy was just there dropping off a person in custody and then was going back out in the route.
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they had a partner that day that uh that deputy and his partner then make a citation for speeding or something
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within 45 minutes. Now again a big red flag but it comes down to if you believe that my trice was the prowler in
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quotation marks then does does it matter that there was a deputy seen leaving roughly with her? Well, but you know,
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this is a situation where the the sheriff's department is called out again for, you know, to do a driveby for this
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person that might be trespassing on the property that could be my trice. >> Mhm.
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>> Um it's strange, too, that you know, shortly after she was released, there is
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a a shift change um according to her parents, uh that there was a shift change that would have taken place. Um,
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I I don't know what that means. Uh, because if she was the prowler, then she somehow made a trip uh six miles to this
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home. >> And we can't figure out if that was on foot or if somebody picked her up and
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dropped her off out in the middle of nowhere, >> right? And and what the sheriff's
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department is saying is they believe that she was just wandering on foot >> is what And again, it goes back to was
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she calling a friend or was she just talking to herself on the phone? Who knows? But it seems like she left on
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foot. So the the sheriff's department is saying she got here, she was the prowler. Not like she was, you know,
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causing any disturbance, but she was on somebody's property. They believe by foot. Now the family thinks no. No way
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in hell. She was drove there. Now who drove her there? Was it a police officer? I look, I don't know if it matters if
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she drove there or she got there by foot. It it all it starts to matter is do you believe that's her?
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>> Mhm. >> And and that's the that's the question. Now, the one thing that I thought was
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interesting is during some of these searches, they did like drone searches and they did like foot searches and they
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did I think one of the largest searches in like California history or or that county's history. But, uh, one of the
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things that the father brings up constantly, um, his name is >> Michael. Michael Richardson. Um, loved
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him in Seinfeld. Um, one of the things that he brings up is when they started a search, they know by
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the videotape that she leaves to the right. Well, when they started the search, they left the building and
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started the search to the left. >> Well, and then you have the the scent dogs that that leave Bill Smith's home
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where she was seen possibly trespassing and they they follow the tracks and follow her scent for a bit, but they get
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lost in horse tracks. Mhm. >> So, I think one thing that the parents had brought up here and and I I
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mentioned a shift change. Now, I'm a bit unclear if if that shift change took place right around the same time that
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she was leaving or if they're talking about a shift change that would have taken place shortly after the time she
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was seen possibly trespassing on Bill Smith's property. Because one question that they have brought up to law
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enforcement was that if somebody from your department was involved now, they would have had as as far as some
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somebody with evil intent, >> they have a lead because the the lead would be they know there's this woman
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that's out on her own wandering around in the dark with no means of transportation, no money, no cell phone.
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And was she possibly picked up by somebody that would have known that she was in that situation? Placed somewhere
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near this Bill Smith's home where she was later seen so that she could be picked up again later once that person
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was off work or did not need to be accounted for. Um the thought here is though that Bill Smith's home, we're not
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talking about like a regular neighborhood. This is near like trails and hills and things like that where
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people go on horseback to go venturing out hiking or running. Now, what's happening here is there's probably some
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of you uh as our nasely drones are, you know, boxing your your eardrums. You're thinking, "Oh my god, cop conspiracy,
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right? I mean, this is like making a murderer, right?" Which we every a lot of people jump. Look, there's somebody
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going, I never bought the the the cop conspiracy and making a murderer, but some people did, right? Uh I don't buy
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that in that case. But that's for a different day. And but then there's some of you listening going, "No way. Cops
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cop conspiracy not happening, right? Don't buy it." Well, I was just reading a report the other day and and normally
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I never jump on the cop conspiracy bandwagon, but I was reading this report where this police officer was spending 6
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months in jail, which is not enough time for this crime that he did, but there was a car accident. The cop goes up, you
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know, to take the report, ends up raping the person in the in the car accident. Now, he only serves six months in jail.
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he's he should serve the rest of his life in [ __ ] jail as far as I'm concerned. Um, but this stuff does
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happen. So, when when you hear reports like this, it's not crazy with all these things going on that the the the parents
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are champion going, "Hey, look, there's something not right here." And it's either that you're fumbling douchebags
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or you had something to do with it. >> Now, I'm I'm with you. I I seldom believe in a in a police officer being
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the perpetrator of horrible crimes, but we all know it does happen on occasion. When my where my mind starts to wander
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in this case is let's let me think about this for a second. Okay, I want to I want to this is this kind of the path
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that I went down when I was thinking would >> Are you going to like take five minutes
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and go in the corner? >> Would a sheriff have been involved? one of these would have a a deputy have been
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involved? Would it, you know, somebody that that knew she was being released that could pick her up later? Offer her
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to drive her to her car? I mean, that's the perfect ruse to get her in your vehicle because, hey, I know where your
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car is impounded and I have the ability to get you your car back. Why don't you give me a I'll give you a ride. And not
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only that, I'm not some stranger that's out driving around in the dark. I'm the police. And well and and my thought too
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is that you have officers when they they pick up this beautiful girl young 24 and
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what was the joke that we think that she made when they said you need to pay your
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bill and she says I don't have any money but how about you know I pay you in sex
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which we we believe is a joke that's her joking correct >> that that was she was serious by that
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but there's this joke and so then there's these rumors then they take the girl to the jail house then the cops are
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talking then people on their radio are talking and they go or and and I guarantee you cuz guys, you know, look,
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I'm all for I'm a dudes dude, right? I'm a dudes dudes, man's dude, whatever. When it comes down to it, there's a lot
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of creepy dudes. And so, how many cops are going, "Hey, did you see that hot chick?" You know, did you see that hot
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chick that we picked up? She's a little nuts. She She offered sex to the manager,
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>> you know. So then somebody sees her leaving and goes, "Hey, well, if she offered the manager sex, maybe I pick
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her up, take her to her car, maybe she offers me sex." >> You're exactly right. You took the words
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out of my mouth. If if she was willing to offer that to the manager, what would she give me in trade for for a ride or
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for me helping her out? And then guess what? She's not she's not heterosexual. She's she's a lesbian,
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>> right? But they don't >> No, I know I know that. But what I'm saying that would be less likely that
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she was going to offer sex for a stupid little you know favor. >> Right. Right. Right.
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>> Um and you know that could have turned sinister at some point. It could have turned bad uh in that situation. And I
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don't want to sound I don't know how to make this not sound weird but she was weird.
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>> She was very attractive. Now do I believe that attractive women >> she didn't like her team though
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>> right? But do I believe that more that that attractive women are more likely to
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become a victim? >> Um, I would I don't know in every situation, but I would say one that is
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wandering out in the dark or wandering around by herself might be more likely to be picked up,
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>> right? Yeah. >> Um, >> and I think that's the that's the concern the family has,
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>> right? And well, the other thing too is that when they talk about her personality, okay, so her personality,
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the the first thing is the sheriff say, "Well, maybe she got on a bus." Well, first of all, her mother says she's
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never rode on a bus. She's never taken a city bus anywhere in her life. She wouldn't even know how to do that. So,
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we don't think she got on a bus. And second of all, she says my trice is not an outdoor person. She does not like
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bugs. She does not like the dirt. She does not like the elements. She is not one to just have taken off and wandered
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out into the middle of nowhere and went hiking all of a sudden in the dark and then again that morning after she's seen
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>> well and I I think the issue with that is they know they know their daughter when she's mentally stable. Mhm.
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>> I think the the question in here is you don't know what if somebody is going through a mental illness, if she's
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dealing with u manic episodes or hyper manic or any type of episodes like that, you don't know how that person is going
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to react. So you have and you know if this was her first episode that they know of of her being manic, then they
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have no way to judge how she would react, why she's manic. And that's when they really start talking about and
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going through the things that she did that day and the events that may have led up to her going to that restaurant.
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>> So her mother and her her aunt were both saying that the reason why we think that
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she was having mental issues was that she w she had been sending us some strange text that day
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>> to which they were both responding, you know, how can I help you? Could do you
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need to talk to somebody? And now, mind you, this is this is hindsight. Right. >> Right. And but that's their proof to the
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sheriff's department that we got to be worried about her state of mind. We think she went nutso and she was out
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wandering around in the middle of nowhere and somebody took advantage of that. >> So some of the things that had happened
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that day, she, like I said, she had worked in a secretarial type position at this shipping company.
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>> So she did work there that morning. uh she went and she took a lunch break. Now
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remember she had said to somebody at some point that day that she was watching a soap opera and God had
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instructed her to take the afternoon off. So she did not return to work that day.
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>> Uh meanwhile her mom and her aunt are receiving these strange text and at the
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same time we said that she was a go- go dancer and she went by the name Hazel. Well she had business cards that she had
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printed up uh with her dancer name on on these business cards. her aunt had found
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a whole bunch of these business cards laying all over the front porch of of her home with a written note on her car,
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which made absolutely no sense. I I read it and I thought of trying to include portions of that note, but it made so it
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made no sense at all to even try to to try to pick through it. Um, so after working a half day, leaving for lunch,
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she does go to the great-g grandandmother's house at some point and then she does leave and she does not
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return. It's believed at that time is when she went off driving, ended up in Malibu, and ended up at the at Joffrey's
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restaurant. >> Well, I mean, the again the whole uh I was watching a soap opera and it
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and it told God told me through the soap opera like that's like is again is that just a
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joke? Is that just is that a joke or is that for real? You know what I mean? like she she made the joke, "Well, I'll
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just pay for, you know, what about a sexual favor to pay off this bill?" You know, was she just making some absurd
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jokes? >> Right. Well, after several largecale searches, like we had talked about,
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early in 2010, Mrice's father, Michael Richardson, was hanging out in Las Vegas. He is riding in the back of a
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vehicle when he spotted Maitrice, who he said looked as if she was working the streets. Now, Michael got out of the
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vehicle. So, and he wanted to run up to her, right? So, but before he could tell
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the driver to stop and he could get out of the vehicle and run up to her, he lost sight of her.
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>> So, he's like in a taxi or or Uber or something. >> Yes. And where we say he saw my trice,
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mind you, he believes that he saw my trice and he lose sight of her and he does not see her for the remainder of
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her trip, his trip. This is really confusing to me cuz on one point it's like you go with the idea that this is a
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grieving father. He loved his daughter. He wants her to be safe. He's in Vegas. He thinks he, you know, um he thinks he
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sees his daughter. So So that part I go he's grieving. He's just making this up in his head. But when he says, "Well,
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she but she was a prostitute." >> That she look like she was working the street. Because as the as a father, you
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don't want to say, "Well, my daughter, it was working the street." So that makes me almost believe his his sighting
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more, >> right? >> But I the grieving part, you know. So, but because of this sighting, now we're
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going to start getting a bunch of more sightings of Matrice and um in Las Vegas.
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>> Yeah. and he said where his head was at was that he thought maybe somebody that
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this was not her character that he thought that this was something that maybe somebody had taken her captive
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that night and taken her to Las Vegas and put her to work so to speak. Um in June of 2010 the same year a high school
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friend of mrice's reported having seen her in a Vegas casino. Mhm. >> Uh Las Vegas PD said that during this
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time u over the course of several months they had received about 70 such reports
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of my trice sightings in Las Vegas. >> Again a lot of the times is th this case started becoming uh publicized and and
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good for the case. I mean anytime that you can talk about a case and get the word out and I think that had a lot to
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do with the family. I also believe that had a lot to do with the the father was very ad admit and he was um anybody that
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was going to talk to him, he'd talk to you about it. Now, sometimes he'd say some goofy [ __ ] when he was being
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interviewed. Um like there's one interview where he keeps on reiterating that, you know, he he is a black father,
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but he's involved in his child's life. Even though she's missing, he's involved in his child's life. I don't know if he
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was an absentee, you know, parent before this or not, but what I do know is anybody that was given him a microphone
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to talk, he he talked. So then he sees deciding then we get all these other ones. And I think it that is just people
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wanting to see what they want want to see. >> And in most of these cases, we're talking about a face in the crowd and we
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both know that if you want if you look hard enough and you want to see a face in a crowd, you might just you might
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trick yourself into believing that you did. The other issue here too, I think, is we talked about Maitric being in
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pageantss. We talked about her uh being a go-go dancer, and there's a lot of pictures of her outside of both the
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pageantss and working at as a dancer. So, we see a lot of different uh views, a lot of different looks of my trice.
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And a lot of times if you watch videos of her on YouTube, you know, missing person's videos of her on YouTube,
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they'll show you five or six pictures of her at once where she she does, you know, she looks like herself in all of
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them, but she's done up in some and she's casual in others. And like I said, if you want to see a face in a crowd,
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>> you're probably going to see it. >> Yeah. And with the whole classmate thing, first he is hearing that his
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classmate is missing. He sees this lady. He tries to confront her and he's yelling, you know, "My
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trees, my trice." And this girl starts acting a little crazy and a little weird and takes off. Now, again, that could be
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as simple as this girl is not Matrice and you're yelling Matrice at her and she's going, "Who who's this crazy
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asshole?" And she takes off running. Or again, that could be, you know, look, if
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you're a go-go dancer, it doesn't matter if you're a go-go dancer, if you're a bartender, if you're a server, if you're
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a guy in a band at a bar, you know, bars are normally not like this hub of positive lifestyles.
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>> Oh, really? It's not like a collective group of saints getting together to uh
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>> No, there's just some anoint there's just some bad [ __ ] that can go on. And
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especially in that environment, it's one of those things where it's like, you know, every friend, I have friends that
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have danced, you know, men and women that have danced uh in gay and straight clubs. And I've had friends that have
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been cocktail waitresses. >> Even the cocktail waitresses are offered drugs. >> Oh, I'm sure. you know. So, I think
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that's the other thing too is if maybe she was going to uh Malibu to meet somebody that she met at through this,
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you know, dancing and maybe maybe they did give her a ride. And if they did give her a ride, then again, I have a
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problem with all this stuff if you believe that she wasn't the the trespasser. >> You know what I mean? like that she was
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picked up at night. And if she was picked up at night, then to me, it's probably somebody that she knew. Uh uh,
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you know, somebody that she wasn't telling other people about, maybe some shady character from the club. But if
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you believe that it was her trespassing, then to me, she's picked up by a stranger,
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>> you know, or unless she went, you know, because the trail leads to the other guy's house. What if she got in the
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house and she remembered somebody's number? I mean, there's so many questions, you know, but I don't fully
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buy the the Las Vegas stuff. Well, one thing that has brought up a lot of other questions is during the summer of 2010,
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they're doing more searches in the area of these horse trails and out in the hills and the mountains,
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>> and they come across a mural, a largecale mural, uh, depicting African-American women in sexual
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positions, most of them nude. Um, and they believe that this could be a potential lead or it could have been
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done by the person responsible for her disappearance. >> Yeah. And this uh this is kind of
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creepy. So, let's get into this after a quick beer break. All right, we're back.
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Cheers, everybody. And when we left off, we're talking about a mural. >> Yes. And what this mural is is this was
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found by searchers who were out looking for Maitrice Richardson. Okay. This is the summer of 2010. Now, this search was
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highly publicized. Um, everybody knew that this was going to happen. It's about over a hundred people were out
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looking for her. Yeah. And it's mostly hikers and cyclists that were out looking for her.
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>> And what is discovered in this area, it's a concrete culvert which is off of a road. Um, you know, and you have the
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drainage pipes, the large drainage pipes that you see near coming out of the culvert. It's basically a large concrete
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wall. and somebody had painted uh what is described as a racist mural. Um it depicts many African-American women that
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are nude and they're some of them are in sexually explicit positions. >> Um and it even seems to show a couple of
00:26:16
uh white faces looking on or looking at the women. You have women that are tied up. Uh one that is in a wheelchair. Uh
00:26:24
some that are on, you know, on their knees. Um, I don't know how much we can describe this without boring the
00:26:31
listeners because without looking at it, it's it's tough to uh >> I'll post that on Instagram. So, if you
00:26:36
want to check that out, you know, go to our Instagram at true crime garage. Uh, what's also interesting about this is
00:26:42
that some of the the ladies are not they're outlined most of the ladies are outlined in black, right? And uh but
00:26:51
some of the ladies are outlined in blue kind of like a ghostly blue. >> Yeah, I thought the same thing. And
00:26:56
there's one that's in a sexual position. And one of the things that makes people
00:27:00
say that this is a a mural that is also depicting uh my my trice and then possibly other victims is because one of
00:27:09
the girls that is outlined in blue uh some people think that means that those victims are dead uh on this girl's butt
00:27:19
uh is a LA symbol and everybody knew that you know Richardson was from LA. >> Yeah. And this this is a large mural
00:27:27
though. I mean it's it's it's pretty darn big and it would have taken somebody quite a bit of time to to paint
00:27:33
this thing. Yeah. >> Um now they find along with this mural they find paint brushes and paint can
00:27:39
lids at the same location and the paint on these items had not yet dried. >> Yeah.
00:27:44
>> So it's almost like somebody >> either they happened to do it in the area that they were going to be
00:27:50
searching just before >> Mhm. >> or they did it on purpose. >> Yeah. uh which is creepy.
00:27:55
>> The problem here too is, you know, like like we said, it's it's African-American
00:27:59
women. And I believe there's one part on on the concrete on the ground that's kind of leading into the area. The
00:28:05
there's a walkway where somebody had painted something like welcome to Afro land or something like that. And they
00:28:11
they keep all the women are having these afrostyle haircuts. >> This is not a heavily diverse populated
00:28:19
area. >> Well, yeah. And this is actually not a well populated area. They're purposely
00:28:23
looking for her out there because they think she could have been wandering basically out in the middle of nowhere.
00:28:27
>> And it it seems to me, like you said, it's one of those things where they this
00:28:32
the search was publicized and somebody was just trying to make a point what that point was. I don't know if it was
00:28:39
malicious or not, you know. >> Um it Well, here's the thing. When when you see it and you know why the people
00:28:47
were out there searching, it sends chills up your spine. >> It's creepy. Now, had had I not known
00:28:53
why the searchers were out there, it may not have may not have scared me. You know what I mean? It I mean, it kind of
00:28:58
it's almost terrifying in a way to look at it. Um but but knowing >> that my trees could be out there
00:29:06
somewhere or could have been abducted near this point. >> Yeah. >> Is what is absolutely terrifying about
00:29:12
it. Is this is this the killer coming back to taunt us and to tell us that he's got more than one victim? you know,
00:29:19
because there's many girls, many women that are depicted on this mural. Now, the the thing here is I'm sure that it
00:29:26
was well photographed so they could figure out who had done the quote unquote artwork or graffiti, better to
00:29:33
say. Um, but you can find pictures of it on the internet. It's it's despicable stuff really. Uh, but they quickly
00:29:40
painted over all of the items, uh, all of this mural. I believe it was the very next day.
00:29:46
>> Mhm. A lot of people thought this was going to be a significant lead. Do you know where this lead takes us?
00:29:52
>> Uh yeah. Yeah. I I I'm with you. I you know, I can see how the family would think this would be a significant lead.
00:29:58
Uh especially the area. Um but what ends up happening is I'm not certain if it's
00:30:04
weeks after they find it or maybe a couple months after they find it. But they do track down the person that is
00:30:10
responsible or persons that was were responsible for painting this mural. um because they had put up graffiti in
00:30:19
other locations and it was all of the same style, may have even been signed. You know, some people sign their
00:30:25
graffiti. Uh there's a couple of issues here though and some more red flags by the sheriff's department. They pick up
00:30:32
the people and and I don't think that they're making up that they found the um the person who painted this, the artist,
00:30:39
let's call them, or the criminal, whatever you want to call him. Uh I don't believe that they're making it up
00:30:44
because they had a statement by the person or persons uh for why they painted it. They said that they are a
00:30:51
graffiti artist that this is something they do in multiple locations and their style is reminiscent of one of their
00:30:59
favorite graffiti artists. So it seemed a little >> and there's a little more detail to
00:31:04
that, but it seemed a little much for something just like the sheriff's department to say, "Oh, we found who did
00:31:09
it and uh whatever." The the problem here though is the persons that were responsible for it, they didn't charge
00:31:17
them with anything. They they didn't, you know, they didn't give them a fine. They they they simply painted over it.
00:31:23
Said, "We know who did it. They don't have anything to do with the disappearance."
00:31:27
>> I wonder if there's some kind of law though that they can't charge them for something.
00:31:32
>> You know, >> I don't know if they agreed to admit to doing it in in trade for not being
00:31:36
charged with it. We don't know the details of it because they won't tell us who did it. The problem I have here
00:31:41
though is that particular sheriff's department has a zero tolerance on uh policy on graffiti,
00:31:48
>> right? >> So you you know you can't really have but maybe maybe finding the the uh the
00:31:54
authenticator or finding the person that painted it was more important and so you
00:31:58
had to wave that. I don't know. It seems strange to me. It was very It was a very
00:32:02
despicable display of graffiti. Uh and extremely distasteful knowing that they're out looking for a missing young
00:32:09
woman. Uh >> yeah, it's I mean it's just weird. I mean there's And the thing that doesn't
00:32:15
make a lot of sense to me is why some of the women are outlined with black and why some of them are outlined with this
00:32:22
like ghostly light blue. It's it's very strange. So, >> well, not only outlines, some of them
00:32:27
are are almost completely blue or gray and and other ones are very colorful. >> Yeah.
00:32:32
>> You know, almost alive versus dead kind of thing. >> Yeah. And so, okay. So, here here's
00:32:37
where we're at on the case, right? So, she goes to the restaurant, she doesn't pay, she gets arrested, she goes to the
00:32:43
jail, she's released from the jail. We got searches going on. We also have some eyewitnesses thinking that maybe she got
00:32:52
away somehow and now she's in Las Vegas and now we got all these searches continuing and now now what happens?
00:33:00
What's next? >> Well, what happens is the there are remains that are found. >> Now, this is out in a extremely remote
00:33:08
location. This is August 9th, 2010. Right around noon, just after noon, the uh this is in the Santa Monica
00:33:16
Mountains. This is deep in the dark canyon. Rangers checking on a remote area known for growing pot discovered
00:33:24
human remains. Now, when I first heard about this, I kind of I wanted to call BS on this. I was like, "No, that
00:33:31
>> you want to say [ __ ] >> right? I wanted to the cops founder, uh, they, you know, I I was looking at all
00:33:37
these conspiracy theories." Uh, but but the truth truth of it is that this area >> Well, we're not done with red flags. Law
00:33:45
enforcement had discovered over a year ago what is suspected to be an area known or used by a Mexican cartel to
00:33:53
grow pot. It's a grow spot. Um when conducting a flyover the year before, law enforcement spotted marijuana plants
00:34:00
and of course no persons were present. Uh these plants were simply planted and left there to mature. But law
00:34:08
enforcement when they discovered it, they pulled over 1,000 marijuana plants from the site. So, the rangers were
00:34:15
going back to check on the spot to make sure that somebody hadn't returned and and used it as a grow spot again for the
00:34:21
following year. >> Uh, the rangers spotted some old equipment lying around, hundreds of feet
00:34:26
of garden hoses that were used to siphon creek water into PVC lines. Of course, this would be used to water those
00:34:34
awesome weeds that they're growing. Um, but there there was no new plants at this time and so they ventured on down
00:34:43
and this is where they found the remains. They noticed a skull >> and under under debris of leaves and
00:34:50
dirt, a semi decomposed naked body. >> There was some hair still attached to the skull. There was some hair scattered
00:34:58
nearby. uh what appeared to be an earring and some kind of metallic object were tangled in that hair that was found
00:35:06
nearby. Um and the the Lost Hills deputies, they are called out to the scene >> and they arrive on the scene
00:35:17
approximately around 1:30 p.m. that day. >> And we have some articles of clothing as
00:35:22
well, right? >> Yes. Yes. There were a uh there was a pair of jeans and a belt that was found.
00:35:30
>> Pink belt >> and a bra. Correct. Um to my knowledge, the rest of the items that they may have
00:35:36
been looking for were missing at that time. >> Yeah, it's uh and so like we know um
00:35:42
Matrice was wearing jeans and a a pink belt. So, you know, there's they need to get the coroner involved to to identify
00:35:51
these remains. And then we get some kind of confusion with this as well. >> Well, yeah. What what ends up happening
00:35:57
is before the coroner gives his or her permission for the remains to be removed, the sheriff's department
00:36:05
decides to remove them. >> Well, and think about the Okay, here's the problem with think about this family
00:36:11
for a second. So, she is uh arrested at at at the sorry, the restaurant. It's a long day.
00:36:21
Uh, she's arrested at the restaurant. That's not a crime scene. Cops don't make that a crime scene. Sure. Her car
00:36:28
is impound. They don't make that a crime scene. She's released from the jail. They don't make that a crime scene. And
00:36:35
then she's found, you know, there's remains found and we think it's her. >> Mhm.
00:36:40
>> And they again don't make that a crime scene, >> right? They take the the remains before
00:36:47
they, you know, basically what happens, it's pretty simple. The sheriff says, "We got, you know, we we're following
00:36:56
protocol. We're following this this by the book." Now, we're talking, they already have judgments against them.
00:37:02
They have lawsuits against them, from the family, from other families, for treating inmates wrong, for treating
00:37:08
people in the jail wrong. Uh, they got a lot of issues in this department. But here's another one. And a lot of
00:37:16
people go, "Well, wouldn't you take this a lot more serious? Wouldn't you, you know, you have all these people, you're
00:37:23
under, you know, we have all this publicity for this case. You're under a microscope. Wouldn't you handle this
00:37:30
with care?" So, there's a miscommunication between the sheriff department and the coroner's office. And
00:37:38
then once they act coroners actually get the remains, the coroners are now vocal
00:37:44
about this. >> What ends up happening is that the sheriff has a uh they investigate this,
00:37:50
the coroners investigate this, and then they also have a private group investigate this. All three findings
00:37:56
were that at the end of the day, yes, they have botched some things. Maybe they made some misjudgments about this
00:38:02
case and about this this lady and how they've handled everything, but at the end of the day, the moving of the
00:38:11
remains was a misunderstanding. And I don't know if I buy that. >> Yeah, you're exactly right. They claim a
00:38:17
misunderstanding. I claim BS because here's the situation. The Lost Hill Sheriff's Department and their personnel
00:38:24
had exclusive access to the remains for about 6 and 1/2 hours. They kept the coroner's team on standby for almost 4
00:38:32
hours of that time and without permission which is state code they removed the remains without without
00:38:40
permission. So they're doing multiple things wrong here. Now keep in mind this is a very remote location like we said
00:38:46
that these people had to be flown in via helicopter to get to the spot. um their
00:38:53
their reasoning is they can claim miscommunication, but they've also said that, you know what, um it was getting
00:39:01
dark and we were getting worried that animals might come and and mess with the remains. So, we decided we had to make a
00:39:07
judgment call and we had to pull them out of there. >> It's just, you know, they're constantly
00:39:11
covering their ass in this case. >> Well, here's some other things that they failed to do. You know, mind you, they
00:39:16
were at that scene for at least 6 and 1/2 hours. M >> what they failed to do during that time
00:39:22
is they they failed to collect soil samples. They did not photo document the scene. They didn't photo document the
00:39:30
body positioning or the individual stages of recovery. >> Yeah. >> Uh the rangers took some pictures of the
00:39:38
scene. So, looks like we should have let the park rangers conduct the investigation on this case, right? I
00:39:44
think they would have had a better job of solving it. Uh, listen. According to the Lieutenant Michael Rosson and the
00:39:51
Captain David Smith, the deputies were given permission from the corner staff member from from a staff member, right?
00:39:58
That they may move the skull to see what was beneath the debris pile. And when they did so, because the skull was still
00:40:06
connected to the rest of the skeleton, when they lifted the skull, the body followed intact and unearthed itself as
00:40:13
they lifted the skull. It was later determined that five of the neckbones were not even recovered from the scene
00:40:20
that day. So the captain and the lieutenant's statement about the recovery, >> not my cap, not this captain.
00:40:26
>> The the recovery of the skull, the skeleton, the recovery of the remains is not only false, but it's impossible,
00:40:33
>> right? >> The head the skull was not connected. >> So it's basic, but it's just like the
00:40:36
[ __ ] tape. You know what I mean? It's like it's a blatant lie. We caught you in a blatant lie that you you have
00:40:43
surveillance of her in jail. And then it comes out months and months later. And then it takes you months and months and
00:40:50
months to show the family because you got to doctor it up cuz you're just a bunch of [ __ ] liars. And then you
00:40:56
say, "Well, well, what happened was we moved the skull and then that was connected to everything." And then then
00:41:01
that's what happened. And then based off the coroner report, you're you're a [ __ ] liar again. Well, the things
00:41:08
that the sorry, the things that the sheriff's department would claim is that, you know, the the cause of death
00:41:14
is ultimately ruled undetermined, right? But the situation we have here is that the sheriff's department is going to say
00:41:20
that she probably succumbed to the elements or that she had been bitten by a rattlesnake. They do have rattlesnakes
00:41:27
in the area, but let's keep in mind, the state of California only averages two of
00:41:30
those deaths a year. So, she would be one of two unlucky people to strike the rattlesnake lottery and get bit out in
00:41:38
the middle of nowhere. Uh, their basic claim is they believe that she took off on her own on foot. She ended up there.
00:41:47
She got distressed. This this is a hard area to walk in, a hard area to that she
00:41:52
succumbed to the elements and at some point the this is I guess a flash flood zone and that it may have flooded and
00:42:01
that would be the cause for why because we said her body's naked. The the remains were naked. So those clothing
00:42:08
items that were found, the belt, the jeans, the bra, those items according to them would have been removed after she
00:42:15
had already passed. So I I I don't buy that. >> Of course, nobody Nobody in their right
00:42:21
mind would buy that. How How jeans? Jeans. >> We're talking about jeans here. They
00:42:27
don't just come off of you. >> Tight jeans. >> Well, yeah. And so jeans don't just come
00:42:32
off of you. And as well as I mean, maybe a bra. Maybe I could maybe I could if my
00:42:39
mind could wander wild and maybe some animals helped with this. And maybe you could say that about the bra, but you
00:42:44
can't say that about the jeans. You can't say that about the belt with the belt. It it went through the loops. You
00:42:50
know, there's belt loops here. It unbuckled itself and went through the loops and they're found elsewhere.
00:42:54
They're not found like right by the body. They're found, you know, like 100 ft away or something like that. So, here
00:43:02
here's a couple problems we have. The the other thing is they they recovered hair and the body was partially
00:43:08
mummified. That means that there's hair on portions of that body as well. They failed to comb the hairs of that body to
00:43:16
see if they could recover somebody else's hairs. >> I mean, this is >> right. It could be a mixture. Yeah.
00:43:22
>> This whether she ended up there on her own and did succumb to the to the elements or if she was placed there by
00:43:28
somebody else. >> Mhm. >> Regardless, they could not have botched this thing more.
00:43:34
>> You couldn't you couldn't you couldn't attempt to screw this thing up more. You
00:43:39
know what I mean? It's it's it's horrible, >> right? And then that becomes a question.
00:43:42
Did they they botch it because they're, you know, dumb asses or did they botch it because they they're trying to cover
00:43:50
something up? I mean, like, and I just think the whole thing where you go, oh, well, there's this flood that look, we
00:43:57
we've seen in cases where people have had manic episodes and hypermanic episodes and all that stuff, some sort
00:44:05
of psychosis going on where they start removing layers of clothes. >> Mhm. So that makes more sense, you know,
00:44:12
that she's wandering aimlessly. She's dehydrated, she doesn't know what's going on inside of her own brain, and so
00:44:18
she's she derroes herself. >> That makes way more sense, >> right? >> You know, but they don't even bring that
00:44:24
up. It seems like not only are we going to lie to you, but when we do lie to you, we're going to insult your
00:44:29
intelligence as well. >> This is such a Shannon Gilbert type case, isn't it? You know, when you think
00:44:34
about the the clothing found somewhat nearby, the the naked body found out in the middle of nowhere in in harsh
00:44:42
conditions, you know, areas that would be tough to travel on foot. >> Um, you know, they claimed with Shannon
00:44:48
Gilbert from the Long Island serial killer case that that she may have shed her own clothes and and kept wandering
00:44:55
into the brush. Yeah. >> Um, >> and then she was possibly having then a mental breakdown and some sort of
00:45:00
psychosis. >> Here's the other thing, though. I would just like their explanations to make
00:45:05
some sense. Like you said, it would make a lot more sense if she if they would have said she shed her own clothes.
00:45:11
There's another thing, too. When when a when a body is mummified, >> Mhm. >> you know, it it becomes awfully stiff
00:45:17
and it tends and it stays in the manner in which it last rest. >> Well, and this happens normally through
00:45:24
extreme heat, they say. Right. >> Yeah. And well, and and it could be because it's partially covered up. But
00:45:30
the thing here is her one of her arms, I believe it was her left arm was kind of
00:45:35
tucked up almost like a you know how people do the chicken dance almost like the chicken wing but with the with the
00:45:40
fist facing outward. So it's it's mummified tight up against her her body. >> Mhm.
00:45:47
>> So if that brawl came off postmortem then I don't understand how it gets underneath that arm. Yeah.
00:45:55
>> You know it's just none of this makes any sense. >> No. And the other thing too is like
00:45:59
Okay. So again, um the the other possibility is she's in this re um in this area that she's not familiar with
00:46:07
and this she could have fell and she would have fell from on top of the ravine that she would have po you know
00:46:14
they found her body next to a boulder a bigger rock >> and it's possible that she hit her head.
00:46:20
Now, there's no none of the bones that were found, and we don't know, you know, again, did the police tamper with what
00:46:28
evidence they did find? But the bones that they did find, um, and they found bones multiple times, but the bones that
00:46:35
they did find, there's no trauma, right? >> So, there's no signs of >> a bullet wound or being stabbed or or
00:46:43
hit over the head or falling to the death. Well, no, but that but there is a lot of cases that you can get hit in the
00:46:50
head and there's no uh trauma to the bones and stuff, but but there's inner bleeding of the brain.
00:46:57
>> So, I was talking to a nurse friend about this case. Uh big shout out to all the nurses. Um
00:47:03
>> and she said that's a very likelihood. And then if she was going, you know, if
00:47:08
she has this brain hemorrhaging, what is her body doing? She might be disroing because she's hot. She she might not
00:47:14
have any clue what she's doing. >> So, at least those things make some logical sense, but all this other stuff
00:47:22
sounds like a bunch of horseshit. >> Now, it I do we should clear up that they did find most of her remains. They
00:47:28
found most of her bones. Um there were some bones missing. Um like we said, the neck bones. Um, one of them, you know,
00:47:35
when we talked about the Shannon Gilbert case, we talked about the hyoid bone, uh, which which would usually depict
00:47:41
somebody being if that's broken, you can usually justify and figure out that that
00:47:46
that means that somebody was strangled to death or that there possibly their throat was slit. Unfortunately, the
00:47:51
vertebrae and the neckbones that were missing from her remains would you can't surmize what happened as far as being
00:47:58
strangulation or throat cut. Well, and that that's the that's the other problem here is I mean you don't have to be some
00:48:04
crazy uh true crime junkie to know that. >> And so again, if these cops are on the
00:48:10
scene and who were these cops, you know, were they cops that were in that would have been able to see her that night
00:48:17
that knew her? I mean like it's just it's a case that you know it's like we have all these questions and you can't
00:48:27
even toss out you can't even just there's a look there would be this huge argument that she never you know she
00:48:34
never left that area and she she um she died there by the hands of of a cop or she died by the hands of some other
00:48:43
crazy person or she succumbed to the elements >> or she hit her head. it was accidental
00:48:48
or whatever. So that's that's likely, but on the other hand, you can't rule out that
00:48:54
somebody did see her in Vegas. And then cuz the idea is, well, what if she was working for somebody or somebody had her
00:49:01
on drugs and got her in this sex working ring and it wasn't working out uh for him or her or whatever or this group and
00:49:10
then they decided, well, they're still looking for her in that area. Let's kill her and dump her remains there.
00:49:16
>> Mhm. You can't rule that out with 100% certainty. I don't think that's as logical, but you can't rule it out.
00:49:25
>> What do you think, Cap? What do you think happened here, Captain? >> H I don't know. I think, look, people
00:49:31
need to do their job at the end of the day. If you sign up to serve and protect, please serve and protect. Um
00:49:37
the there's some trouble things in this case. I mean, I think they I think so many times in cases they bring up the
00:49:44
race card a little too quick. I mean, their lawyer mentioned, "Well, if this if her last name was Spears or Lowhand,
00:49:51
they would have offered her a ride home." Well, you know, I don't know if that's the case. You know, uh I mean, we
00:49:57
could argue that people that are are good-looking get advantages, right? You know, there's all these things that we
00:50:05
can argue. At the end of the day, I don't think the cops did their job. I think the mental health issue is is one
00:50:11
that we're going to be wrestling with for years cuz the family saw signs of this. You know, here's the problem. Just
00:50:18
very shortly before she disappeared, though. This wasn't didn't seem to be an ongoing thing.
00:50:23
>> Well, here's the issue is like, yes, the the cops did some shitty stuff. They
00:50:29
lied about stuff. They should not do that. You were paid by these people. You are paid by the community to serve and
00:50:37
protect, not to lie, not to try to cover your ass. You know, if you made mistakes, own up to it. Own your own
00:50:46
truths. Own your own [ __ ] people. Right? This is what they should have done. And and they didn't. And if they
00:50:51
would have came forward with this stuff, there wouldn't be as many questions, you
00:50:56
know? So, do I think they were involved? I don't think so. I I I it doesn't make any sense. If they were
00:51:07
involved, then wouldn't they just take her away somewhere else to some other part of the country or some other But
00:51:15
she, you know, she leaves she leaves the jail and then at some point she's trespassing or we and I'm I'm pretty
00:51:26
sure that that was her. >> I feel like it's her and I and I'll tell you why. because it seems to me a little
00:51:32
improbable that you have somebody matching the description that closely uh within hours within within miles. It
00:51:42
just seems too convenient for it to be somebody else. >> Yeah. Unless again it's some conspiracy
00:51:48
and the guy's just making up the sighting. >> He's not I I don't get that vibe at all.
00:51:54
Retired reporter. Uh the the thing here is though, you say they and I don't know
00:51:59
that it needs to be the sheriff's department committed this murder. I feel like if if if
00:52:06
>> No, no. I think I don't think it would be >> I think if a member of the sheriff's
00:52:09
department's involved, it's a member. And here's the problem. Here's the problem I have with where she's found.
00:52:14
Okay. >> I don't see her But I don't see her getting to that location on her own.
00:52:22
But but then you argue, you say, "But Nick, she just made it six miles to this guy's house in the dark." So So maybe
00:52:28
maybe she did make it on her own. But but here's the problem. >> Well, I think the thing is, just going
00:52:32
on that point real quick, if she was manic, if she was going through some psych sort of psychosis, we're talking
00:52:41
about the the the the human body has way bigger cap capabilities than we were aware of. You
00:52:49
know, if you were stone cold sober and not mentally ill, could you do this hike? You'd probably eventually break
00:52:55
down and quit. >> I don't know if I could do the hike now. >> Right. That's what I'm saying. But but
00:53:00
but in this state, you just keep going, right? >> Maybe when you shouldn't. And maybe that
00:53:05
caused to some accident hitting her head or dehydration or I don't know. >> Here's the strange thing though. this
00:53:13
that I keep going back to is her remains are found in an area that is known to who?
00:53:20
>> Mhm. >> It's known to law enforcement and it's known to for by drug dealers, right? You
00:53:26
know, by by people drug cartel. >> So, who if if she didn't get there on her own, who put her there? I would have
00:53:33
to say it's one or the other, >> right? >> Um >> or she was close enough to that area.
00:53:39
That's that's another theory that maybe she had found her way there somehow and maybe a member or members from the drug
00:53:46
cartel had come back to to check on crops or to plant and found her wandering around. Now, again, here's
00:53:54
where here's where it doesn't make a lot of sense is people that So, the theory online that you see constantly is that
00:54:00
she was wandering around, finds this stash of weed, finds this drug cartel, and because because she found this uh
00:54:09
this weed that they had to kill her. >> Well, I don't know that they're saying that. I think that this theory is more a
00:54:17
little more evil than that where it's going, "Oh, we're out in the middle of nowhere and there's this strange young
00:54:23
woman out here. Nobody knows that she's here. Nobody knows that I'm here." >> Like, it's just a weird
00:54:29
>> coincidence. Um, they did find uh in this location, they did find like like rappers like like uh candy bar wrappers
00:54:38
and things like that. um which may may have been there from before when when they were out planting these crops and
00:54:45
setting up the irrigation system for for the weeds. But the other thing that I found strange in this case as well, you
00:54:52
know, it's all these little things. Her death, her disappearance is extremely mysterious, but then you have all these
00:54:58
other tidbits that are weird dealings by the sheriff's department. In my mind, they they didn't fully search the car
00:55:05
that well. They didn't they didn't really they painted over the mural very quickly. They didn't charge the people
00:55:10
that had had destroyed that property. I mean, that's tax dollars that it cost to
00:55:15
clean that thing up. And and then last but not least, what what do the rangers say that they found when they when they
00:55:21
came to inspect that area? They found the hoses from last year's uh crop. They founded the PVC pipes from last year's
00:55:28
crop. They they these these candy bar wrappers and fast food wrappers. We don't know if they've been there for
00:55:34
over a year. They probably they could have been there for over a year. We don't know why because we didn't bother
00:55:38
to clean any of that crap up when we were here the first time when we saw that a crime had been committed. I know
00:55:44
that they that the sheriff's department and their personnel and their staff is not the not uh you know landscapers or
00:55:50
or America's janitors, but come on. I mean, let's put a little more effort into these jobs. Well, and and one of
00:55:58
the things that her her father talks about is that, >> you know, one of the easiest ways to get
00:56:03
to uh this land would be through like a ATV. That was possible through ATV. And this sheriff's department, they actually
00:56:11
had a search team and and part of their search team was they had ATVs. >> So, but the theory that I was going with
00:56:17
is, yeah, it's probably more sinister than that. So, she's out in the middle of nowhere. Oh, I'm here. So then they
00:56:24
this guy or people rape her and kill her and then the other theory is that the sheriffs
00:56:32
know about this crop. They know about the gangs but they are working with them on some level
00:56:38
>> you know like a kickback or we just we don't mess with you. You don't mess with
00:56:42
us. >> We pretend you don't exist. and you give us a little kickback and and look, there's there's a lot of
00:56:48
there's a lot of evidence of cops getting kickbacks in drug areas, >> you know, hey, this is my corner. I give
00:56:55
you a little bit of money, you go away, and now you're not making 70 grand a year, you're making 150 grand a year,
00:57:01
you know. So, there are those cases. I I don't see it being like that, you know.
00:57:08
I think >> I think the mental the mental health angle is some that brings up the most
00:57:15
questions. What she said to you know what she was talking to her parents about didn't make any sense. What she
00:57:22
talked to the valet didn't make any sense at the restaurant didn't make any sense. Now if we go to there then stop
00:57:30
her at the jail and don't release her and have her evaluated. And if they would have done that and put that simple
00:57:36
hold, then the parents and the family have an opportunity to try to turn her life around and make it better. I mean,
00:57:44
her life wasn't going badly, but whatever was going on in her life, whether it was a drug thing or if it was
00:57:50
a mental health thing, maybe they could have got her a little help if all they had to do was say, "Hey, you're going to
00:57:55
sit here for a while and we're going to have a doctor look at you." And I think this country will step up and eventually
00:58:02
at some point it'll be like if there is any mental health concern you're going to wait maybe it's not 72 hours or 48
00:58:09
hours you know maybe it's just like we pay tax money for all this stuff. We give all these benefits to prisoners for
00:58:17
example but what about the what about the citizens? What about, hey, if somebody gets pulled over and we think
00:58:25
they're drunk or they're acting a little weird, we're going to arrest them because we don't want them to hurt
00:58:30
themselves. We don't want them to hurt somebody else. But instead of having them be being be caged for, you know, 12
00:58:38
hours, 24 hours or whatever, six hours, we're going to have somebody on call and within 6 hours of you being
00:58:48
brought to the station, we're going to have a doctor come in and evaluate you. And if you pass the evaluation, then
00:58:53
we'll let you go. >> But you know, and that's for the safety of the citizens. And we give all these
00:58:58
rights to these criminals like what? And we give all these benefits and privileges to criminals. When can we
00:59:05
start doing that for the community, >> right? >> I you know what I think happened here,
00:59:10
Captain? I'm going to go with Let is right. That's the mother. That's Matrices's mother. I think I'm going to
00:59:18
go with mother's intuition. Mhm. >> I think the whole time, from the very get-go, from the time this thing started
00:59:25
until they found her remains, her gut feeling was right every single time. And you know, when when she was picked up,
00:59:33
what did she do? She called the sheriff's department and asked, "Are you going to let her go? Because if you are,
00:59:39
I'll go and get her. If you're if you're going to keep her, then I'm going to get
00:59:42
her in the morning." >> She had that she had that mother's intuition from the beginning that they
00:59:46
might let her go. What ends up happening? They let her go. She calls in and wants to call in a missing person's
00:59:53
report five hours after Maitrice's released from the sheriff's office. >> They won't let her they don't let her
01:00:00
file a missing person's report. She she felt in her gut right then that her daughter was missing. And
01:00:07
>> within an hour she's by all purposes missing. When they started and she started saying right right after that
01:00:14
first search was conducted and they didn't find anything. She started saying, "You know what? My child had a
01:00:20
mental break. Some kind of mental health issue happened. She snapped. She was out
01:00:24
wandering around in unfamiliar territory. Somebody saw her, took advantage of the situation, picked her
01:00:30
up, they killed her, and they dumped her somewhere in some remote location. And when the sighting started happening in
01:00:36
Las Vegas, even even with her ex-husband's sighting, potential sighting, she was saying the entire
01:00:42
time, "That's not my daughter. I I just know it. I know that she's she's not alive and she's not with us anymore and
01:00:48
she's out somewhere. She's been placed somewhere. And so I'm going to go with my theory is that that she didn't end up
01:00:55
there on her own. I think that somebody did take advantage of a situation. I do believe it was probably her in that
01:01:00
backyard that was spotted early that morning. I think she wandered on before sheriff could arrive. I don't know if it
01:01:07
was a sheriff that found her or if it was some evil guy or an evil sheriff that found her, but I think that
01:01:13
somebody picked her up, took advantage of the situation. And I I'm going to go with mother's tuition intuition there
01:01:19
that I think Let's >> Yeah. I mean, I think I think that the two logical things, more logical things
01:01:27
is she either went on some manic rant and then she succumbed to the elements or there was accident. And then the
01:01:34
other is, you know, the whole thing about when people talk about like with the Mara Mari case, the whole idea that
01:01:41
she would be running down this road and just happened upon a killer. Well, yeah,
01:01:47
that's that's not super likely, but how long was um my trice wandering around? So the longer you wander around, the
01:01:56
more there's opportunity >> and and not just do you run into a killer, but do you run into a rapist and
01:02:05
that rapist then turns into a murder. >> Exactly. Right. Yeah. >> So, and I think I mean it's just a super
01:02:12
sad case and >> and and it's sad. Um, now we should just say that, you know, there was lawsuits
01:02:19
against um the sheriff and and the family was awarded like $900,000. >> Yeah. The the the father and the mother
01:02:27
who are separated, as we said, filed uh separately. They filed lawsuits against the sheriff's department. Uh they ended
01:02:34
up combining those lawsuits. Um and they each had had their own representation. Uh, and they did settle out of court for
01:02:43
my understanding was $900,000 which they split $450 450. >> No, that's not how they split it because
01:02:49
I guarantee you that lawyer that was bringing up this [ __ ] about spears and lowhand and he he the lawyer is
01:02:57
going to get 33 to 40%. >> Well, yeah, you cut me off before I could finish that. It it clearly says in
01:03:02
the settlement I read the settlement last night. It says, I believe in the first page or the second page that that
01:03:09
after the settlement is paid out, everybody will pay their own lawyer fees from that amount. They they are
01:03:15
responsible for their own uh counsel that they sought. Uh we should also mention that the body was exumed at the
01:03:22
at the uh at the encouragement of the family. Um, and it was also determined basically even though they examined the
01:03:30
body a second time, they pretty much came up with the same situation that cause of death is undetermined.
01:03:35
>> Yeah. And I think unless they find um, you know, do another search or find more
01:03:40
bones that that there's no way to there it's not a complete picture for them to be able to come to any conclusion. Mhm.
01:03:50
>> So, anyways, I hope you guys enjoyed this episode and man, it's been a long day. Uh, we got a recommended reading.
01:03:57
>> Recommended reading. Between December 1968 and October 1969, a hooded serial killer named Zodiac terrorized San
01:04:04
Francisco, claiming responsibility for 37 murders. He manipulated the media with warnings, dares, and bizarre
01:04:12
cryptograms that baffled the FBI code breakers. Uh, check out this book. I highly recommend this one. This is a
01:04:18
case that we've been asked to cover quite a bit. So, I I thought I'd recommend a Zodiac book. And this I find
01:04:23
to be the best one. Zodiac Unmasked by Robert Gaymith. If anybody's seen the movie The Zodiac, most of that movie was
01:04:31
based off of the information found in this book, but there's so much more information here. Uh, and and I bought
01:04:37
this one secondhand a few years ago. And I always find this funny when you buy them at a secondhand store with a big
01:04:43
thick true crime book, you will find that the center spine is all creased up and nothing else. So, somebody bought
01:04:49
this true crime book. I see this all the time. And all they do is they look at the pictures in the middle because and
01:04:54
then they then they sell it back to somebody. Uh but in within these pictures, there are the Zodiac letters,
01:05:00
the famous cryptograms, all those that you can see for yourself. So, pick up this book, Zodiac Unmasked by Robert
01:05:06
Gaymith. You can do that by going to true crimegar.com. Click on the recommended page. You'll see all of our
01:05:11
recommendations there. So, uh again, like always, go to true crimegar.com for everything. Follow us on social
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media, Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, uh Instagram, all that stuff. Untapped >> and true crime garage. And check out the
01:05:26
uh I believe the Slender Man documentary came out on HBO this week. So, if you haven't checked that out, I believe it
01:05:31
came out on Monday. So, check that out. I'm looking forward to doing so. >> All right. Thanks uh again for
01:05:36
listening. Hope everybody has a great week, a safe week. I hope uh everybody's commutes a little bit better with the
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01:05:48
you're listening to Nick and and the captain in the garage. Screw him. Right. >> That's right.
01:05:54
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