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foreign [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] foreign [Music] parts of the following are taken from
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Paul mesquel's Daily News article shortly before 5 PM October 16th a Dusty White Chevrolet Impala with a
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blue top an Alabama license plates turned into the driveway of a Cape Cod home on flood Street in Marlborough
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Connecticut the driver a tall gaunt man with collar length red hair and busy sideburns sat in the car for several
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seconds watching the rear view mirror and trying to determine if he was being observed
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then he took a salt off shotgun from the car floor and stuck it in his waistband
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under his slacks and sports shirt he climbed slowly out of the car his left hand pressing the shotgun barrel
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against his left thigh discarding a half-smoked cool in the drive he walked to the house where Karen
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wine aged 35 lived with her two teenage daughters the unexpected visitor chose the wine
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home at random while driving through New England Marlborough is a peaceful town in the
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heart of Connecticut 12 miles Southeast of Hartford at the time of our story the population
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is 3 600 residents with no police force a resident state trooper is the only Lawman in Marlborough
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Don wine a pretty 15 year old school girl was doing her homework when the doorbell rang
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she opened the door and the unexpected visitor grinned at her exposing teeth stained Yellow by
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cigarettes he inquired if her mother was home she said no he asked if her father was in
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and she said he didn't live there anymore suddenly the unexpected visitor lunged
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forward pushing the girl back into the house he followed her inside and closed the door
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he jerked the shotgun from his pants leg and took her upstairs to her bedroom where he stripped and sexually abused
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her all the time smiling and promising not to hurt her Don's mother a practical nurse came home
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from her Hospital job about six o'clock she saw the car in the driveway and she entered the house
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later both Karen and Dawn were found bound raped and strangled their killer was long gone and nowhere
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in sight this is the case of the Casanova killer [Music] [Music] foreign 1974 sitting in a Florida State Prison
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is 27 soon to be 28 year old Paul John Knowles he has been wasting away for several years now after he was
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incarcerated for kidnapping a police officer a serious offense isn't that right there Captain yeah I don't think
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they should let kids be police officers well when one thinks of someone to abduct an officer of the law doesn't
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really come to mind it's not your typical victim but one thing I want to point out before we move on and so we
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all have an understanding of who Paul John Knowles is he is a career criminal he has been committing crimes most of
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his life by this point he's only 27 almost 28 years old and during the commission of some smaller crimes he
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finds himself committing larger crimes to not get caught so yeah according to a tiny little article that I found in the
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Orlando Sentinel titled kidnapper sentenced Paul John Knowles was just 18 years old at the time he was sentenced
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in Jacksonville Florida to five years in prison for kidnapping a policeman at gunpoint Knowles pled guilty to this
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charge but here we are Captain he was sentenced to five years but now it's been over nine years and he's still
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sitting in prison how does that work out well they used to have a furlough program in in Florida and the way that
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that worked was after you served a good amount of time you would get privileges such as the ability to leave the prison
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to go out on an overnight stay or maybe even a weekend stay somewhere this normally when you're at the end of your
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prison scent they're trying to reintegrate you into the society where they're going to be forced to release
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you into at some point yes that's one of the dumbest things I've heard well the way that he ends up getting in trouble
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is he goes out but doesn't come back in imagine that and I'm sure this was probably a pretty
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common problem that they faced and that's why you don't see these types of programs as much anymore most of the
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time now we have jails that have like work release and things like that well while in prison Knowles was reading
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an astrology magazine and came across a pen pal column he finds the address for a young woman in California this is 28
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year old Angela kovic and some Publications she is listed as Angela Samuels or Angela Samuels kovic so for
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sake of argument I'll just go forward with Angela kovic I think Captain she was coming out of a
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divorce around the same time so whatever name the publication used at the time was probably whatever name she told them
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now Angela is a attractive cocktail waitress out in San Francisco her parents own the nightclub that she works
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at so she's got access to a little Paola Knowles is a Taurus and Angela is a Leo
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and because they're both fans of astrology and read this astrology magazine that seems to be important to
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them Knowles tells Angela that she is his number one Yiddish Angel and Angela calls Knowles PJ
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after quite some time corresponding Angela makes arrangements for Knowles to get an attorney she wants to help him
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out you know we got to get this guy out of prison at some point to forward our relationship the attorney is there to
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help him with his parole on May 14th Paul John Knowles is paroled by the board down in Florida but there
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are as always conditions of course he is not to be in Florida I always love when they throw this condition out there
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we our state will parole you but we don't really want you to stay here but you need to leave I think a lot of that
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is not so much get out of our state it's more so this person hired you an attorney this person we've worked with
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them to make arrangements to keep you busy once you're out you know you have a place to stay maybe a place of
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employment go be there and do the right things one of the stipulations was for him to not kidnap any more police
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officers well he's immediately going to go to California and find employment Angela was the one that secured PJ a job
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with a billboard company his job would be painting signs now Knowles found himself finally a free man and in the
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big state of California where he planned to marry the woman who was responsible for his Newfound freedom
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and so PJ Knowles gave Angela a ring Angela was seeking some guidance let's say things were moving way too fast for
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this young woman this man you know he's a petty Thief he's an abductor the parole e is he the man that she is meant
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to be with to spend her life with so Angela took her questions to a spiritual list
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someone she often found value in the opinion of the spiritualist studied the ring and
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this was the ring that Paul John Knowles gave to her and with a little bit of a warning you know she's offering
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up a warning she says to Angela that there is a very dangerous man that has just entered your life
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without naming names Angela's pretty certain that she is talking about Paul John Knowles yeah
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now Captain depending on which newspaper story you read well that changes if Angela heeded the warning of her
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spiritual list or not some say this was one of the few occasions where Angela disregarded the
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advice of her spiritualist others say it was the driving force for what was to be well it's we have a
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background of PJ so we we know what he's capable of so that makes the spiritualists sound more credible but I
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think anybody uh whether you believe in that stuff or not if somebody just entered your life whether you knew their
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history or not and somebody said to you there's a very dangerous person that just entered your life I mean my ears
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would perk up right right well regardless of which version is actually correct Paul John Knowles was not the man for
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Angela kovic or at least she will say this for now she said she enjoyed Noel's company he
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was spiritual believed in God and the afterlife he was smart and had an interesting
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sense of humor but he was just not for her the two spent four days together and regardless of Noel's stipulation of his
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parole that he find and maintain employment he never showed up not once for the job at the Sign Company the
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Angela had secured for him so Angela sent him packing after these four days he's you know he gone
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and captain since we both know how much Knowles enjoys following the rules well where do you think he ended up well
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there's a part of me that's feeling a little bit bad for him right now because he he basically shows up and once he
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gets there she's like yeah you ugly well I don't know if it's so much that I mean she's being warned by
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the spiritualist and she secured a job for him he's there for four days he doesn't go to the job once
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this might be this might be the tip that you needed that says hey maybe this guy's not going to change his ways or
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maybe he's not who he says he is right you don't know this guy even trading letters with him and now he's there
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staying with you and he's not doing his he's not keeping up his end immediately right I'm just saying that this is the
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version of now with social media people meet online they're chatting back and forth some you know it gets serious once
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somebody buys a plane ticket once that plane ticket is bought and they arrive in your city it might not be
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they might not look much like the the pictures or or or how they portray themselves online yeah and
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the thing that sucks for Angela here is she hired him an attorney she bought him
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the plane ticket so she's out some money so as said Knowles doesn't care for the
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rules so of course he ends up right back in the Sunshine State good old Florida Now by all accounts which really is just
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Angela's and Knowles but he was devastated by the rejection so he returned to Jacksonville Florida
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he was soon arrested after stabbing a bartender during a fight he was charged with assault and now he's back behind
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bars this time in a dingy Jacksonville jail but ever the career criminal Knowles managed to pick the lock on his
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detention cell and escaped this was in Late July 1974. on the night of his Escape Knowles finds
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himself in a situation of his own creation where he is on the run and in serious trouble as he has no you know
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he's so clearly violated his parole and likely would be facing some very severe and harsh punishments a lengthy prison
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sentence that is for sure but not only is he on the run if he's going to remain a free man he is in need
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of tools and Provisions to keep him out the solution to this problem he broke into the home of 65 year old Alice
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Curtis the tall young and strong fugitive easily overcame the defenseless 65 year
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old woman he tied her up and gagged her he ransacked her home taking money and valuables and then he stole her car
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this was a white Dodge Dart Alice was a retired school teacher just looking to live out her days relaxing in her home
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and surviving on the nice little life she worked so hard to build for herself instead
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she choked to death on her gag Knowles ultimately took so much more that night than just a few dollars from
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her purse and her white Dodge Dart that night he took everything for the month of August Knowles remained on the Run
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and he did what one would expect to to stay ahead of the law he stole he moved around but one thing that he did not
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have to do was kill but he did it anyway this was his choice he did it because he could not because
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he had to many that crossed his path during this time lived but some did not so PJ
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Knowles at this Point's been on the run for a good month yeah on September 3rd we find our unexpected visitor up north
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in Yankee land in our great state Captain the old oh this is at a Roadside Bar and restaurant
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off of Route 75 four miles north of Lima Ohio this is at the Scots Inn where Knowles is likely drinking himself into
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a nice one-night coma there he is doing his thing which is drinking and chatting people up
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he becomes fast friends with a 32 year old William Bates Bates is a regular at the Scots in now
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Bates and Knowles could not be more opposites Bates is a hard-working family man he's
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got a great job he's an account executive for the Ohio Power Company Knowles as we know is a law-breaking man
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on the run and his only care seems to be not getting locked up and how is he going to get his next meal or tank of
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gas well I can tell you this Captain old PJ Knowles the unexpected visitor ever the
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opportunist he just spotted his meal ticket and that was William Bates the bartender would later say that both
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Bates and an unknown male who the bartender described as a young red-headed man had several drinks together that evening
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and left about the same time bates's wife would later report him missing and police very quickly realized
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that Not only was Bates gone but his vehicle a white Chevy Impala was missing as well well it kind of sounds like a
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guy that goes to a bar often and was sitting at that bar chatting up with people and thought hey maybe this isn't
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the life that I want to live I'm out of here I'm out of Dodge that's where my mind goes too and I think
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that's where a lot of people's minds would go it's weird the contrast between a missing man and a missing woman
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with a missing woman you you fear the worst with a man in his early 30s who has a good job and a family
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and his car is gone on top of that that's where you kind of go well maybe he just maybe he just hit the road
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well I'm and we know that he's probably a target for PJ because this is part of his Mo if
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I might not take you with me but I need a ride I need gas I need supplies yeah well he exactly he needs a way of
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staying out on the Run he needs Provisions to keep this journey of his going along mind you he didn't just
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crawl into Lima Ohio he drove that poor dead woman's stolen vehicle all the way up to Ohio and he's been driving around
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for some time now and this is a very very dangerous man the the thing I think of immediately Captain is that old Door
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song where the the line is there's a killer on the road yeah that line makes me think of several others but but very
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much so Paul John Knowles well there's something about if you Google Paul John Knowles
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something rock and roll to him he he almost looks like he could be the singer of The Doors I don't know that they cut
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your hair for you when you're in Florida State Prison this takes us to September
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we are now at September 19 1974. on that day the Reno Evening Gazette reported the following with a headline
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about halfway down page one that read couple found slain near Eli the article reads about a vacationing couple who
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were found shot to death late that morning in a camper south of Eli Nevada an autopsy was ordered but it appeared
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both were shot in the temple with a small caliber gun no gun was found at the scene
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the victims were identified as Emmett Johnson and his wife Lois both in their 60s the bodies were discovered at the
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Lake Valley Summit rest stop the bodies were in the pickup camper Lois was nude and found under a
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removable table and Emmett was dressed the Sheriff's Office reported no leads but deputy said Johnson's wallet and her
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PJ Knowles we don't need to know everything that you do and uh it kind of reminds me of Eric Stoltz
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yeah you said that to me and that makes total total complete sense back when Stoltz was a young strapping young lad
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yeah well our unexpected visitor Captain he went on to visit both the state of Texas and the state of Alabama in Texas
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he took advantage of a stranded motorist whom he abducted raped and murdered in Alabama he killed a beautician then
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in October we had the double homicide that we covered in the trailer to this episode that was the double homicide of
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mother and daughter Karen and Dawn wine all the way up in Connecticut so when you picture a road map of this
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big beautiful country think about what we've covered so far a man who went from Florida we know he
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went up to Ohio then out to Nevada then Texas Alabama and Connecticut this guy is all over the shop right and to get
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there we we believe he's traveling by car so all those connecting States as well correct and we'll go into
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the details of how we know where he is and and whereabouts in the timeline as well that
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is really key to that but something else that is of major importance to our case
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this takes place on October 4th this is one of those things that at the time of this event
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it's a bit of a head scratcher but it all makes so much sense later when we are able to see the big picture
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so on October 4th back up in Ohio in a motel parking lot police discover an abandoned vehicle this is a Dodge Dart
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now remember this is the vehicle the one that is missing from Jacksonville Florida belonging to the unsolved murder
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victim Alice Curtis so now the sheriff's department up in Lima Ohio have a missing man in his
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Vehicles missing as well note that's from a month back and now we have an abandoned vehicle
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from out of state that belongs to a murder victim now if you're the sheriff's department if you are this
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man's wife and his family and co-workers you're starting to go does this abandoned vehicle that belongs to an
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unsolved murder victim down in Florida does that have anything to do with this missing man and his missing vehicle
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it seems like quite the coincidence throughout October Knowles continued to travel driving the highways and likely
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killing along the way he does have a close encounter with police when he is pulled over for a
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minor traffic infraction and of course the officer just didn't know who he was dealing with
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so he let Knowles go with a warning Knowles decides to reach out to his attorney and sets up a meeting
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this meeting will be a strange one Captain they meet for a couple of drinks halfway through the first drink Knowles
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tells his attorney and I believe that this is according to the attorney don't run away but I'm a mass murderer hmm
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you're having drinks with your client with somebody you think that you know now his attorney's no idiot he knows
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that that Knowles is not a great guy that he's broke the law I mean he's represented him so he could become a
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parolee but the shocking statement of don't run away but I'm a mass murderer you gotta
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wonder if you're the other guy do you is your first reaction is this guy joking or
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do you know him well enough immediately that you're going holy snap this is serious well on top of that he's
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telling you all this stuff and what if he changes his mind at the end of the conversation do you become a victim well
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and I love these old cases because I love to go back and take a look at how things have evolved throughout the
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decades and we're we are talking decades ago and Paul says to his attorney I'm a mass
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murderer well I mean you see the uh how investigation and just terminology alone has changed
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throughout the years this is before people were using the term serial killer all right this is before in it they
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really even coined that phrase so we have him describing himself as a mass murder which today we would describe a
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mass murderer as somebody who walks into a single situation and takes out as many
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people as they possibly can Paul Knowles is a serial killer in every sense of the word that we know now but
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he doesn't know any better back then and he says hey I'm a mass murderer well I would kind of actually argue with that
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terminology because we we know that he's on the run from law enforcement and his his murders we don't know
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if there was murders before his incarceration so he almost sounds like a spree murderer
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to me yeah more of a spree killer let's get back into it Knowles tells his attorney hey by the way I'm a mass
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murderer but one this also kind of reminds me of the movie American Psycho at the end where he
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calls I believe his the name is Patrick Bateman and he calls his lawyer and starts confessing to all these crimes
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you were mentioning Google a minute ago and now you bring up American Psycho Google sometime on your own time not on
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garage time right now Google sometime uh Huey Lewis and I believe it's Weird Al Yankovic
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they do a scene they recreate a scene from American Psycho yeah it's like a parody yeah it's it's brilliant okay
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anyway I apologize for we went down a road there Knowles tells his attorney by the way I'm a mass murderer he wants to
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tell his attorney in detail who he is killed where and why Knowles is of the belief that he that either one of two
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things is going to happen either the law will catch up with him and he will be locked up and executed for his crimes or
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he's going to get killed in the process of being apprehended either way he wanted a record of
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everything or at least the stuff he was willing to admit to so that his family could profit from his murder spree via a
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book and movie deal after his death or once he's Behind Bars thoughtful guy huh his attorney is a pretty smart dude he
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says don't tell me anything stop close your mouth finish your drink don't tell me anything I don't want to know
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anything because if you do tell me all about this then according to what you just told me
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only two people will know your secret me and you and one day you may wake up and decide
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you only want to have one person know this secret and you'll come and find me and you will kill me right so therefore
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I'm Paul this is between you all he don't want to know anything he tells Knowles
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you should write it all down or record your story on cassettes and then if you like you can you know
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seal it up and give it to me and I'll save it for later if you do get picked up and put away in prison or executed or
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or killed in the process of suicide by cop yeah well we also have the situation too where Knowles told the attorney
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that it was his idea he wanted to go out in the blaze of glory he wanted to you know a gunfight shots fired he
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wanted to go out in the blaze of glory a lot of this to me Captain seems like there was a bit of an obsession on
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Knowles's part in regards to like Bonnie and Clyde you know people who traveled on the run
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in this country hitting the highways and killing along the way doing whatever it
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took to stay free they weren't going to be locked up you're going to have to you're gonna have to kill them you'll
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never take them alive kind of situation all of what the attorney suggest write it down or record your story on Gazette
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that is exactly what happens here captain they had this meeting on October 24th two days later on October 26th Knowles
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delivers a sealed envelope with a cassette multiple cassettes inside to his attorney and they on this visit
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discuss nothing we should note that the attorney did advise Knowles to turn himself in but unfortunately we know
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that did not happen then there was a double homicide on November 6 in Milledgeville Georgia detectives did the
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best that they could to try to piece everything together 11 alive is a website they did some cool
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videos on the nulls case and I really recommend watching these they did an interview with retired investigator
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James Josey who worked the double homicide investigation according to reports when police got
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there it is said that the place looked like the whole house had been attacked by some kind of and this is a quote a
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giant beast from a horror movie Furniture had been overthrown and smashed mirrors were shattered items were thrown
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all over the house curtains and upholstery slashed and cut up Mrs Carr was a nurse working a double
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shift when she came home she found her husband and daughter dead as said the detective piecing this thing
00:36:43
together the Wikipedia page says Knowles befriended Carswell Carr he's the husband and father the victim and
00:36:51
invited Knowles back to Carr's house to spend the night and then over drinks he stabbed car to death and then strangled
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Carr's 15 year old daughter detective Josie who worked the case says look when you ask us what happened
00:37:09
either Knowles followed Carswell car home and snuck in or he was invited back to the house
00:37:18
by the victim Josie points out that unfortunately during their investigation because Knowles killed everybody in the
00:37:25
house there was no one left to ask right the question of how did this guy end up
00:37:30
back at the house but this was a a vicious vicious attack Josie thinks somehow Knowles got into the house again
00:37:38
it could be snuck in or invited in but at some point Knowles gets a hold of a pair of scissors and stabs Carswell to
00:37:46
death and like I said this was a vicious attack he stabbed the victim almost a countless number of times and with such
00:37:54
force that the tips of the scissors broke off in the victim oh Josie thinks Carswell would have
00:38:01
obviously been screaming and yelling during the attack and he believes that that would be what
00:38:08
woke up the teenage daughter he says that in his opinion in his expert detective opinion he does not
00:38:15
think that Knowles likely knew that the daughter was there or that anybody else was in the house so the screaming the
00:38:23
attack wakes up the daughter she comes down to figure out what's going on Knowles sees
00:38:30
the daughter and then chases after her she runs back to her bedroom shuts the door locks it and tries to barricade
00:38:38
herself in there Knowles again the detective's words the reporter's words the home looked like it was attacked by
00:38:46
some kind of giant beast from a horror film Knowles manages to bust through the door
00:38:52
he strangles the daughter and it's believed after murdering her that he attempted to engage in some kind
00:39:00
of necrophilia with the victim well this reminds me of like the rage with Bundy right and it's almost like
00:39:11
um morphine from a actual possibly Charming individual to a vicious animal and that's why that picture of Bundy
00:39:22
from from Court is such a popular and well recognized picture the one where he's getting ready
00:39:29
to just slam his hand on the on the table because everybody in the courtroom was saying hey here you have this very
00:39:39
neat well-kept groomed well-groomed guy who seems to be smart in representing himself at trial seems to have it all
00:39:48
put together and then boom in that second for that instance right there everyone in the
00:39:56
court recognized and noticed and saw what was really behind the eyes behind the skin once you peel that layer back
00:40:04
underneath there was a monster and once he's out he he he is uncontrollable pay no attention to the man behind the
00:40:12
curtain So eventually Knowles is going to flee the scene right but not before stealing jewelry and whatever
00:40:19
other valuables he can find now not too long after these murders a store clerk reported to police that a tall
00:40:28
red-haired man matching knoll's description was making purchases with Carswell cars credit card
00:40:38
so police pretty early on have a good idea who they're looking for this guy is on the run and we believe
00:40:47
that we can track him and Trail him through the vehicles that he is stealing and then leaving along the way and he's
00:40:55
also using victims credit cards and some of their stolen property and stolen money to
00:41:02
buying things like gas and and food and cigarettes and so forth while he's out running all over the map
00:41:09
also that month Knowles picked up some hitchhikers this was Edward Hilliard and Debbie Griffin
00:41:17
Edward was eventually found dead in some woods and Debbie is believed to have been killed by Knowles as well
00:41:24
unfortunately to this day over 40 years later her body has never been recovered another interesting little stop along
00:41:35
the way in our story and timeline here captain is Knowles as said he doesn't kill
00:41:42
everyone he comes across in fact some people he befriends them and becomes friends with them
00:41:49
and one person The Story Goes Like This while bar hopping in Atlanta Georgia on November 8th Paul John Knowles met
00:41:59
British journalist Sandy Fox impressing her with his looks which she says and I think this is quite the stretch
00:42:11
but whatever maybe I'm just jealous but she says his looks yeah I'm real jealous
00:42:18
she says that his looks were a cross between Robert Redford and Ryan O'Neal nice to see that that's top shelf right
00:42:26
there top shelf for a redhead yeah so they spent the night together she was sitting
00:42:34
at the bar by herself now mind you she's in a different she's in a foreign country she's over here working uh she
00:42:41
was on assignment and I believe originally she was on an assignment in New York maybe for the times and
00:42:49
whatever that didn't work out or they sent her down to Georgia on a different assignment
00:42:54
somehow she ends up in Georgia by herself at this bar the way she describes it is she was kind of checking
00:43:01
out Knowles from afar he's sitting there drinking and she thinks that he must have caught her checking him out
00:43:10
and at some point he makes his way over starts talking her up now one thing I will say that does seem to be quite
00:43:18
Charming about this Knowles character is that at least two women Fox included said that Knowles would be quick to ask
00:43:29
a woman to dance which is which is kind of a lost thing people don't men don't do that so much
00:43:35
anymore I don't even know that they did that a whole lot back in the 70s but no the the bar that she described to in her
00:43:42
book is not described as like a dance club or anything like that it really sounds to me like it's the hotel lobby
00:43:49
bar a lot of businessmen and people sitting around after work drinking and she catches his eye he comes over chats
00:43:58
with her for a while and eventually that leads to him asking her to dance she said that they spent the night
00:44:05
together now as said I said her book she went on to write two books about her experience with Paul
00:44:13
John Knowles and one of them is called killing time I've read Killing Time it's a great True
00:44:20
Crime book I love the old ones this one was from 1977. in the book what's what's funny to me
00:44:27
though I've never read one of those um romance novels that have the risque covers you know with a lot of Flesh on
00:44:37
the on the cover but I can only imagine how they read a portion of her book Killing Time
00:44:43
reads like a very graphic love-making scenes a little sex well she says he was unable to perform so not much sex
00:44:57
a lot of build up and no no real ability to seal the deal let's say yeah Bad Boys Captain limpy pants so that's
00:45:07
always brought up some questions about Knowles one she says look push the psychology
00:45:14
aside the nights that she hung out with Knowles he was drinking a lot and she said that in her experience throughout
00:45:24
life she had seen many a good time go down the throats of men who are just drinking and drinking and drinking I
00:45:33
don't know if that's the right terminal well I thought her book's well written and I liked I like the way she phrased
00:45:38
some things so if you push psychology aside that's an excellent explanation but then you take the psychology back
00:45:47
into it and you have to wonder and we've seen this with other serial killers we've seen this with rapists serial
00:45:54
rapist where sometimes these men are not able to perform with a willing participant right
00:46:02
and we do know that there was suspicion about possible necrophilia with the victim that we spoke about earlier well
00:46:10
again if if sex is the motivation for these crimes or these murders then we know that this individual is probably
00:46:18
desensitized uh to say the least it seems weird to me because I feel like we're in a in one of those odd
00:46:26
situations look with serial killers and sex and fantasy and violence are kind of
00:46:31
all really wrapped up into one for a lot of these guys I don't think that that's
00:46:36
too far off here from Paul John Knowles but I I feel like that's not the single motivating factor for these murders
00:46:46
I almost feel like what you pointed out earlier the Spree killer the guy on the Run
00:46:51
I think that is more of the appeal for this guy that seems to be what he's into he likes the The Thrill of the kill he
00:47:01
likes the thrill of meeting a victim and he likes taking whatever he decides to take from them
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