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[Music] [Music] on December 23 1974 Rachel trilica Renee Wilson and Julianne Mosley set out on a
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shopping trip to purchase Christmas gifts for their friends and family they drove off to South Fort Worth Texas to a
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shopping mall Rachel the oldest of the three parked her car in the upper level near the Sears store the three girls
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were supposed to be home by 4 pm but they never returned later a letter arrived saying the girls took off to get
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away for a week or so the families early on strongly believe Foul Play was involved and as the slow day stretched
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into long years the puzzle remained unsolved what happened to these girls and why now one thing's for sure says
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raeanne Mosley the mother of the youngest missing girl that somebody knows something somebody knows for sure
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what happened to these girls so Captain let's talk about some suspects here there are some interesting ones now I do
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want to state that publicly the law enforcement involved throughout the years has been a little cagey let's say
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that's a good word as to whether there are actual suspects and what I mean by that is in 1974 in December when they
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went missing we have several news articles where the police state publicly we have no Suspects
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then we have a year or two later where we have them stating publicly well we've narrowed it down after speaking and
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following hundreds of leads interviewing people and such our investigation this is what we've come up with we've
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narrowed it down to less than five individual Suspects and then I believe was 1981 when we hear
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that law enforcement is strongly considering the following theory that multiple persons were involved in the
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Abduction of all three girls and that all three girls are now deceased abducted by a group maybe as many as
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Five Guys and it's likely one of the girls knew and or probably trusted one of the abductors so I think
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we can see that it they were working that angle for several reasons we discussed on yesterday's show the
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different eyewitness accounts and some of those they reference men or a group of men so I see why they're saying that
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we're working that angle and work that angle at some point in this investigation well even if there wasn't
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any eyewitnesses we we could assume that it'd be easier to abduct these three if
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there's more than one individual and where they adopt were abducted from being a mall right a very public
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location yes you would you would need to Corral the girls quickly into some type
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of vehicle or Vehicles you know we saw in eyewitness accounts multiple Vehicles being mentioned from different
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eyewitnesses maybe all these vehicles mentioned by different eyewitnesses were involved so let's get into something
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that we've been talking a lot about on our other show off the Record you know lately we've discussed the West Memphis
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3 case quite a bit and the thought that that we've discussed here is is the real
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killer in that case a known suspect or an unknown suspect meaning a known suspect would be somebody where
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we know their name because either a they are suspected by police Media or general
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public right or B someone's name that has come up somewhere within the story or the case itself that their name
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appears in the case file for any number of reasons you know whether they're a neighbor parent uncle or identified by
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description you know like the man at the Bojangles restaurant would be an example
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of that then we have the thought of an unknown suspect this is someone whose name and or description is not known to
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police Media or general public someone whose name would not be found in the case File here in this case we have some
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known characters did they have involvement was there someone or someone's that were up to no good or
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planning an abduction or murder this would be someone close to the victims or was it a stranger someone that spotted
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the girls in the mall or in the parking lot and decided to abduct them so let's look at known suspects let's say all
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right so Thomas or Tommy trilica Rachel's husband a lot of people have questioned this dude because I think
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when examining the situation there are some things that could stand out that that would say well maybe there there's
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a motive here or are motives here right we should also include Debra now Deborah
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is Rachel's older sister Deborah was 19 on the day that uh the day in question so she was two years older than Rachel
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Tommy then only 21 years old at the time of The Disappearance had already lost both of his parents and was was a
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divorced father of a two-year-old son he and Rachel had been married only about six months
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so people point out that uh she is only in high school and was 16 at the time of
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their marriage people point out that that is weird I don't know how that maybe it is weird
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but I don't know how it leads to Triple homicide now past the age difference one thing that
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often stands out and many people point to this right here is that Tommy and Deborah
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Rachel's older sister were previously in a relationship together they were even engaged for a short
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period of time as a matter of fact we know that that's how Rachel would end up meeting Tommy and later they're
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married that's weird and it's weird yes so and and then to further that theory along and what I'm getting at is that
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either Deborah was somehow guilty of something or Tommy is guilty are they both together
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were involved in in The Disappearance of these three girls but to further that theory along we have that Deborah
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prior to The Disappearance of the three girls had an argument with her boyfriend
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and she did she moved in with her little sister and Tommy for a short stay with the newlyweds so
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some have suggested one or both Deborah and Tommy Were Somehow involved uh in this case and that they were having some
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kind of secret relationship now Deborah says that out of all of the bad things that has happened to her in
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different periods of her life The Disappearance of her sister is by far the worst thing and when she's
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looking back she says quote we had a special bond according to Deborah both girls were afraid of their father
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she says their father had a hot temper now he was also a sick man who was dying of cancer at the time of The
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Disappearance and was buried that summer after the girls disappeared Deborah recalls that Rachel woke her that
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morning of The Disappearance and asked her to go shopping so we mentioned this in yesterday's show that we have other
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individuals that were asked to go on the shopping trip that didn't participate for whatever reason right Tommy being
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one of them no Terry okay sorry I keep kidding the the middle one's boyfriend and the
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oldest one's husband confused so what what's strange here though is we have Deborah Who falls under the public eye
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suspicion yet she is somebody that was asked to go on the shopping trip and she does not go she says she was not
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feeling well that day she stayed home in bed instead and Deborah was there was still staying at that home the next
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morning when Tommy retrieved the letter out of the mailbox well I think the other thing that's weird here is if
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Tommy was planning to get rid of his wife so then he could be with his wife's sister
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then you have a scenario where his white or the his mistress was asked to go on the shopping trip
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you know now we have uh Renee's boyfriend Terry was asked to go on the shopping trip and then
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it's like it just seems like a bad time if you're going to try to uh you know kill this person and get them out of
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your life that you're going to do so one in a public place which is maybe not so
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weird because you are married to her but she's going to be with multiple people right and if she's with multiple people
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it's like so now you're gonna kill three people to take care of this problem you
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know it seems like the motive isn't strong enough for that I agree and that's why yesterday I
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brought up you know who is the target when you have multiple individuals together when you have a group of people
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together that are abducted or killed who is the target were all three of them a Target or was one of them specifically
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targeted for a specific reason and like you just pointed out Captain if let's go
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through this motive for a second because to me it just it's flimsy it's so damn flimsy because if he wanted to knock off
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his wife [Music] if if for some reason you're like okay well this is the best time to do this oh
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snap she's got two other people joining her on the shopping trip well I'm just going to do it at another time right I'm
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not going to I'm not going to go out and abduct and kill three people because I'm
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trying to get rid of one I'm just going to do it at another time and same goes for Deborah if she felt the same way she
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would just do it at another time the other thing too if the two were involved together if the two if Deborah and Tommy
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wanted the sister out of the picture you would think they could orchestrate a better plan than this like you said
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abducting multiple people from a public place very very risky business I just but we also
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have the we have possible DNA on the letter that was sent and it didn't match Tommy we don't know that it didn't match
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Tommy what we do know is it doesn't match anybody in quote unquote their database
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we don't know who is sitting in that database it doesn't mean everybody on the planet is in there so we do have
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years later we have the words of Tommy we have the words of Deborah we have Tommy who says look there was no
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uneasiness between uh anything going on there you know there wasn't it wasn't weird that her
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sister that I was once engaged to came to stay with us for a short period of time
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just because on the outside looking in it seems weird to everybody it didn't seem weird to Tommy was so he's stating
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for the record that there wasn't they weren't having an affair or anything and and Deborah States the same
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thing says that she insists that the romance was long over of course it would have to be I mean in order to marry her
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sister I mean like yeah you know at some point like and for them to be they're still
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friends you know the Sisters still being friends you would think that would have to be
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Dead and Gone on on both ends right but you know what's even great even more interesting and I think that backs us up
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a little bit and of course if you consider these two people to be suspects then yes you're hearing it from the
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suspect's mouths themselves but in an interview Deborah she she says look it yeah this wasn't the
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relationship that I had with Tommy before my sister married her it was not a serious relationship then the
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interviewer says well I thought you were engaged and see she outwardly says yes we had been engaged if you want to call
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it that but it she didn't consider a real engagement right and she's like kind of says it waving it off and
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rolling her eyes as she's doing the interview yeah but you know again I mean how many times have we done kind of
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silly things as we're as younger adults or just teenagers and went now looking back on it a couple years ago that was
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silly and we don't know the full extent of it I love that these I love these people and I look look I shouldn't I
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shouldn't go off on uh and Witch Hunt anybody here because you can do it speculating about
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cases and suspects is what you and I do so I shouldn't get onto anybody else for
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doing that the only thing that I have a bit of an issue with is that I think that sometimes people stumble upon bad
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information in a case and then they use it to back up their point or their Theory right and what I mean by this is
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I saw several people that that were suggesting that Deborah and or Tommy should be big
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time suspects in this case because once they they were they were engaged together then he goes off and marries
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Rachel then Rachel disappears and then Deborah and Tommy end up married together and have a kid together that
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was the ammunition that people were using to back up that theory the problem with that theory and with that
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ammunition is Tommy and Deborah never got married they never had a child together right what happened what what
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happened in real life was that Tommy moved away there was some bitterness between him and Rachel's
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family after The Disappearance he moved away he still lives in Texas to this day
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I know who he works for and I can't think of I'll give him give away all his information well he's he is married so I
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can see where where people get that wrong right that he married Deborah he is married and he went on to have a
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family he lives elsewhere in Texas I don't get the vibe from what I could find about him I didn't get the vibe
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that he's running from anything right well well he could be running from their family on some level but you know their
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daughter goes missing he is somewhat a suspect he has to be a suspect right I mean because the husband
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always did it and they might have been throwing some shade at him and he just was like you
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know at some point you have to move on with your life right right and so let's talk uh about the little
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brother of these two girls uh Rusty so we were talking about Rachel and her older sister Deborah and well the two of
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them have a younger brother Rusty now Rusty says that the letter the letter that we discussed yesterday holds
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particular interest regarding the case for him okay he is certain that Rachel did not write that letter
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Rusty at the time at one time said publicly that he was sure that Rachel and only Rachel is still alive and that
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it is only a matter of time perhaps even days before he finds her according to Rusty following The Disappearance there
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were several reports that the two older girls had been spotted at different locations and he referenced 17 and the
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14 year old yeah he references a gas station a Walmart uh a country store and I think he actually references more
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places than that but he says that initially in the early portions of the the case in the first
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couple years he dismissed these reports as as a sham uh in in the beginning but he became
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convinced that these were genuine sightings after meeting a private investigator by the name of Dan James
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James hold on go ahead sorry I I I'm trying to follow your story and normally when you're telling parts of
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the story I'm picturing things I'm having a hard time right now so we have they go missing in 74. there's a bunch
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of reports eyewitness sightings right right the brother doesn't believe that the letter was
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written by Rachel right believes that she's alive but the other two are not and when does this private investigator
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come into the picture Okay so Rusty met him 20 years later in 1995. okay so this
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is 20 years later right okay so that's what's Difficult about this case okay all right and we have Dan
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James the private investigator as well as Rusty Arnold who is the brother of one of the missing girls we have these
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two individuals stating that there are multiple sightings of the two older girls at different locations yeah and
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then later on we're going to hear the brothers say that only Rachel is alive and that there had been continued
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sightings of Rachel and only Rachel so all right we said that he became convinced of these sightings that they
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were real after meeting private investigator Dan James uh we just said that they met in 1995 when they met Dan
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tells Rusty that he's been following the case since 1975. right now technically the
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private investigator was never hired by any of The Three Families James has stated publicly that he hasn't received
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a penny and compensation for his work according to James what he has received is death threats from Anonymous callers
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warning him away from the case now according to James several quote this is his words credible Witnesses end
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quote say they've spotted Rachel since The Disappearance he says one was in 1998 around Christmas now private
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investigator James believes that Rachel visits Fort Worth during the Christmas season each year and maintains that
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someone is quote shrouding and Manufacturing evidence and what he says was at first an effort to keep the two
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older girls away now he thinks only Rachel survives he says I believe that Renee Wilson is
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not alive I believe that something dreadfully wrong and probably fatally occurred involving Julie Anne Mosley he
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says he is evasive about what he thinks happened or who he believes can be held accountable so
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yes he has a theory no he won't discuss it except to say that someone close to one of the girls had something to do
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with The Disappearance all right okay I'm just trying to wrap my head around this idea so all three girls go missing
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there's sightings he doesn't believe these sightings at first 20 years later he starts believing these sightings are
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correct keep in mind the private investigator apparently has believed these sightings the entire time right so
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after meeting the private investigator this guy has convinced him convinced the brother that these sightings are real
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so this private investigator probably has some other theories that he's probably convinced him on
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and I don't know what these theories are but the fact that somebody's there's somebody that's still responsible for
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their abduction but two of them are dead one's still alive and she comes back to town every Christmas
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yeah okay so is she coming back to town with somebody is she still did they take all three
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girls hold them captive and they've just let her live and the other ones they didn't let live
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or well okay this roaming the streets of Fort Worth by herself so Dan James the private investigator is pretty cryptic
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about his theory yeah because it doesn't want to sound like a cuckoo bird but from sitting through multiple interviews
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with him and piecing together his words here's what I can tell you that that I believe that he believes
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is that all three girls were abducted by somebody that knew at least one of the girls okay okay that was close to at
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least one of the girls with the idea that the two older girls were the Target that they would be kept alive for
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whatever reason right so under this Theory my guess would be the the the believed abductor that was close to
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quote unquote one of the victims probably would have been close to either Renee or Rachel one of the two older
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girls right because those apparently were the Target and Julianne Mosley just happened to be
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there and he states that under this theory that something dreadfully wrong fatality
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happened to the young girl that during the course of either abducting these girls or or holding them that something
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unplanned happened to the young girl and she died fairly early on into being held
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captive or being part of whatever this weird situation is right then if we continue on down the road of the theory
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is that the two older girls were alive for some period of time because he believes they were seen together at
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different locations again but right right but that still points to the idea that
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they were abducted and the abductor was like hey you you know like let them free or was in
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the car while they went into a gas station I mean that's risky well and then but then on top of that the theory
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goes that at some point only Rachel was alive the oldest of the three right you know the so 20 years later 21 years
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later however you want to look at it that that's where that that stands that that he has reason to believe this
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private investigator and Rusty believes him Rusty States publicly that this is not just Dan James's Theory this is my
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theory as well now what happens here is this tears the Arnold Family apart we have Rusty and Deborah brother and
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sister who spent a good amount of time looking for their sister together when they were younger and as they grew up
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and Grew Older it apparently it looks like Rusty with the help of Dan James became suspicious of his own sister
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Deborah because she says publicly in regards to Dan James she says I know he blames me I know he thinks I had
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something to do with it and and talking about her brother she says Rusty thinks that this letter that Tommy got the next
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day he thinks I wrote it and she says I didn't write the letter I don't know who
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did I don't know what happened to my sister I have nothing to hide yeah possibly but we've seen this in cases
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where somebody comes in and investigates whether it's an author or a private investigator
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I mean he he's calling himself a private investigator but we don't know why he's
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doing this he's not getting paid so he's just really fascinated by the case or is
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he going to use this research later for a book or whatever so to have her not for Deborah not to trust
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him I get that part we she might just be assuming this is what uh Rusty believes
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you see what I mean no he's Rusty has stated publicly um not mentioned his sister well you
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should have said that part well I I kind of did I said Dan James believes that some should have been paying attention
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that Dan James believes that someone close to one of the victims was involved in the abduction there is evidence to
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suggest that Dan James and Rusty Arnold the brother believe that Deborah was possibly involved in this abduction I
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haven't been so crazy well and we have to remember like uh in the Madeleine McCann
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did I say that correctly finally finally uh I think a year and a half later uh and then like in the midst of Mara
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Murray case Brian Shaffer case even the recent case that we covered Molly Tibbetts there are eyewitness accounts
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of seeing each individual and normally those eyewitness accounts produce nothing or in the case of like
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Molly Tibbetts there was actually a lot of eyewitness sightings and we know that
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they were not true right so um but it's so strange to me and I think we should pause here for a second
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because I mean just put this in perspective we have three people going missing but we have multiple
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eyewitnesses that see them family members believe those eyewitness sightings are actually
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real one family member right but also a private investigator correct and and that means the abductor on some
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level is letting them roam was it of abduction as much as like you would think like
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if you had the opportunity to go into a gas station you'd be like hey help me I mean we've seen it time and time again
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where that's not always the case but they're seen multiple times together and then later just only Rachel being seen
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and then she comes back for Christmas right I mean that's strange [Music] all right cheers and happy birthday it's
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it's his birthday week birthday month or what he likes to say his birthday year Well we should what we
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should mention here Captain is is another sad part of this story is not only do we have these missing kids and
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then all these years later still missing but what we have is the aftermath and what the suspicion caused throughout
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these different families or just the just having a missing child has torn apart some of these families right okay
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and I won't get into the specifics of all of them but let's let's focus in on the Arnold family for a minute because
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we've been talking about the obvious signs of problems that we're going to have within the Arnold family so Rachel
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Arnold who disappeared we have her older sister Deborah that some people have suspected could know more about what
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happened or maybe had some involvement and it appears that even her younger brother Rusty Arnold was a person not
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only believing that but also driving that theory uh and getting everybody else to believe it as well yeah now we
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mentioned Fran Langston earlier she's the mother of these three and she blames private
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investigator Dan James for quote poisoning Rusty's mind uh she says that her family has been destroyed because of
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Dan James's accusations regarding uh possible involvement by Deborah now this does
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regardless of how crazy this Theory could be and I do want to point this out you know we there are cases out there
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where somebody takes somebody captive and keeps them for a very long time cases where they let them go out into
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public or go out with them I've even I can't remember the name of the offender or the victim but I can even recall a
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case where the victim who was abducted who was being held captive was allowed to go home and see her family at one
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point and then return to being held captive it's strange it's hard to wrap your mind
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around it but it happens yeah that's called marriage well and then of course we know more
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from a local case here Cleveland Ohio where an individual took girls captive and held them for like over 12 years
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before one of them escaped and this guy invited people into his home he would have guests over to his home he liked to
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entertain well he was a musician he would let his friends come over they would do their band practice at his home
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anyway so it does happen it's hard to get your mind around it but this Theory as crazy as it seems could happen but it
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does bring up and it raises an interesting and hopeful question are any of these girls still
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alive yeah you know you have to wonder that the word like I said before some of the eyewitness
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accounts and cases are are completely bogus but you have to follow all those leads but I mean I kind of jokingly said
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that I mean that's super creepy but what if you know around the Christmas time every year
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Whoever has Rachel is letting her go home well not home we know it's not home per
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se but to Fort Worth right going to her hometown you know she we don't have any accusations of visiting family members
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but the thought that Dan James believes is that she returns to the Fort Worth area for some reason around Christmas
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time each year could that be some kind of reward by the captor like you know if you're if you're good all of these other
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days of the year right you're granted this one thing you know there's it unfortunately it happens they brainwash
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these these uh prisoners right but you think if that is happening or if they actually believe that then they would be
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doing a lot of things around that time to put up flyers and this is what she could look like she has
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been known to visit this area and maybe they could get her while she came to visit well one
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thing I should point out that I believe here Captain is Rusty Arnold okay well where we have his family saying look his
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thoughts his accusations his theories regarding this case has destroyed our family I agree with that 100 but what I
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also agree with and we'll have Rusty's back on is I see him furthering the investigation and keeping the
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investigation of his disappeared missing sister alive all these years later it might be the wrong tactic it might be in
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poor taste it might be the wrong Theory it might be the wrong theory yes you're exactly right and but it it does keep
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the case alive he is furthering the investigation and doing what John Walsh always says you should do keep your
00:33:59
loved ones memory and image in the public eye in the newspapers on the TV yes and it's weird with this private
00:34:08
investigator because it's you want to know his motives you know because he is not he's not getting paid yeah but I I
00:34:15
don't think that the general public has a good understanding of what most private investigators do for a living so
00:34:23
you're you're kind of like a you're a contracted worker you're you're somebody that sits around and waits for
00:34:29
the phone to ring uh or get a click on your website yeah and so you could go investigate a fraud or a cheating spouse
00:34:38
or any number of cases you know we've seen criminal cases where we have uh victims families hire private
00:34:45
investigators it happens all the time yeah or if your co-host wants to go off and do a show with
00:34:51
Generation Y but what I want to call a private investigator okay but uh anyway so but the thing that I don't think that
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the general public understands is that when when a private investigator is not working a case is not being paid to work
00:35:07
a case often you know you could do anything with your time but what some of them will do is they will pick a case
00:35:15
that's local to them and they'll say oh there's a reward in this case there's it
00:35:20
fifty thousand dollars to to to reward somebody for information regarding this missing person or sixty thousand dollar
00:35:29
reward for the apprehension of this suspect who looks like this so what they do is when they are not being paid for a
00:35:37
specific case some of them will pick up on local cases that have reward money and actively work those in their
00:35:44
downtime at the chance of catching catching some something it's almost like a lottery ticket
00:35:50
essentially one thing that's somewhat tied to this possibility of the girls still being live or one of them being
00:35:57
alive is we did have a situation in this case throughout the years where a lady caller and I have to apologize to you
00:36:04
captain and all the good garage people out there all right my notes are incomplete on this story but what
00:36:12
occurred was we have a lady caller that reached out to one of the victim's mothers and they had several phone calls
00:36:18
throughout weeks and maybe months which led to the two of them meeting together in person now the lady caller insisted
00:36:27
that she was one of the missing girls that she was the daughter of the woman that she was contacting what I'm
00:36:32
apologizing for is I don't remember which daughter she was claiming to be or which mother she was calling right
00:36:38
unfortunately two of the three mothers have passed away as of this date of our recording but
00:36:45
regardless she contacted one of them okay so you have this um nutty person right and she's calling
00:36:53
the one of the missing girls mothers and stating that she's one of the missing girls correct okay continue well they
00:37:01
meet and at the insistence of someone I don't know if it was the missing girl's mother or somebody in the missing Girl's
00:37:09
family right the person that was calling uh was subjected to a DNA test and it was determined that they were not who
00:37:17
they were claiming to be so this is years I'm I'm assuming this is years and years later yeah yeah because it because
00:37:24
you know you would think at some point if it were shortly after you'd be able to look at the individual and go nope
00:37:30
you're not you're not Renee you're not uh Julianne um I think this was right but I think
00:37:37
this could have been 25 maybe even 30 years after the fact I believe two of the three uh victims mothers passed away
00:37:44
with in the last five years what kind of Dick knows do you gotta be I mean who does that scam artist 20.
00:37:55
yeah Giant dick knows dick knows so big you can't even fit through door so do we have
00:38:03
other possible suspects and and the answer is yes yes we do and I believe much better suspects than what we have
00:38:11
discussed so far I want to be clear about as far as Deborah and Tommy go uh individuals that were related to victims
00:38:20
as far as them being suspects all that I could find that's in the Public's eye that's on these website forms it's not
00:38:27
never been any law enforcement stating that either of these two are suspected of anything and furthermore we have the
00:38:35
Charlie project that states in all three cases we've classified this we believe it to be a non-family abduction much
00:38:42
better suspects let's talk about this now obviously we know that there were there was an active serial killer or
00:38:50
killers in Texas in the 70s we have the Texas Killing Field case was starting up
00:38:55
in the 1970s and normally I would red flag something like that and go into it here unfortunately that's a huge case
00:39:03
that would take up way too much time and they're likely or at least I believe there is not a strong connection
00:39:12
with the exception of of a couple of items okay the first thing that I would would take into consideration Texas is a
00:39:20
larger than larger State than almost every state in the United States right yeah so that alone makes the connection
00:39:28
to the missing Fort Worth Trio case even less likely but some things of interest
00:39:34
in that case that should be noted so the girls abducted and killed in the early 70s in The Killing Fields case ages 12
00:39:43
years old to 19 years old most of them 14. so age of the victim fits our victimology here all were abducted
00:39:52
without a man or boy present and on three times two girls were taken at the same time so multiple persons abducted
00:39:59
at once and there was a break in the action down in The Killing Fields case there are no known victims from the end
00:40:08
of September 1974 to the beginning of May 1977. so did the killer or Killers move away relocate for work did they end
00:40:19
up for some reason in the greater Fort Worth Texas area and taking three girls from a mall parking lot in December of
00:40:26
1974. the other thing too is some of the later believed victims in The Killing Fields were never found which is of
00:40:35
course the case with the missing Fort Worth Trio I did look at other known cereals
00:40:42
and I looked at the ones where the victimology was a good fit for this case for the Trio's disappearance but all of
00:40:49
the ones that I could find either they were locked up at the time they were not in the area at
00:40:54
the time or would have been too young of an age at the time but wait I did find one I found one so
00:41:02
this guy is not completely unknown but this is not an easy to find person and it is speculative okay so the individual
00:41:12
is named Lloyd Lee Welch Jr he goes by Mike Welch was convicted in the state of Delaware in 1997 for sexually assaulting
00:41:22
a 10 year old girl he has a lengthier criminal record than that including burglaries and other charges against
00:41:29
children but for the sake of time here captain we're not going to go into all that what's what's important here is how
00:41:37
do we get him to be involved in this case it took place all the way in Texas we have September 2017. Welch who is in
00:41:46
his early 60s as of last year he pled guilty to the first degree murder of twelve-year-old Sheila and 10 year old
00:41:54
Catherine Lyons who were taken from or taken just shortly after leaving the Wheaton Shopping Plaza
00:42:03
in the state of Maryland in March of 1975 how does that bring us to our case well Lloyd Welch was a known Drifter and
00:42:12
he was employed as a ride operator at a traveling Carnival he has had multiple convictions for sexual offenses against
00:42:19
young girls from the years of 1974 to 1997 Welch was in at least two dozen locations including Washington DC and
00:42:30
Texas in fact in January of 1974 he was confirmed to have been in Austin Texas then in March of 1975 he was confirmed
00:42:43
to have been in Wheaton Maryland It is believed he was in Texas from January of 74 until sometime early 1975. he was in
00:42:54
both areas at the time all of these girls went missing from a shopping mall with Welch being a Drifter and traveling
00:43:02
with a car Carnival for his job it is possible he was in Texas in December of 1974. as a Drifter obviously it makes
00:43:11
sense he would have remained under the radar for years and years police are also looking for information on any
00:43:18
security guards who would have worked at either Mall including information on Welch's longtime girlfriend Helen Craver
00:43:27
they dated for like 10 years most of it spanning over the 1970s they were always
00:43:33
on the road and had no permanent home or address Helen is noted to have worked as
00:43:39
Mall security from time to time I should go with that eyewitness report right and
00:43:45
now I do want to you know it kind of Breeze through that real quickly here but we're talking about an individual
00:43:51
that many many many years later just last year he pled guilty to first-degree murder of two girls about the same age
00:44:00
as the victims that we're talking about here who he abducted either from a mall or shortly after leaving them all way
00:44:08
back in 1975. yeah it just seems like in this Theory there's there's too many dots connecting to not
00:44:16
be somebody that we should be looking into yeah and if you're wondering hey he he confessed to this crime he pled
00:44:24
guilty to this double homicide from 1975 what's holding him back from telling law
00:44:30
enforcement that he was involved in the missing Trio case um one Texas has the death penalty and
00:44:38
they have a pretty quick route to getting there as well so that would deter him from doing that number one
00:44:44
number two this guy's confession is the most [ __ ] confession I've ever seen in my life and what I mean by that he's
00:44:52
not lying he's not lying that he killed the girls he's a lot his confession itself is a lie what I mean by that is
00:44:59
he he implies that other people were involved that he didn't actually do the killing himself that he was just somehow
00:45:07
involved in the abduction and somehow involved in getting rid of the bodies later he's never LED law enforcement to
00:45:13
the bodies and law enforcement has come out and said look we understand that this is what this dude's confession is
00:45:20
but at the end of the day he's the one that pled guilty to first-degree murder on both of these accounts the other
00:45:26
people that he's named throughout the course of his confession we either believe that they had no
00:45:33
involvement or some of these individuals have passed away or there's no evidence
00:45:38
to connect them to the case yeah and you wonder if he's not leading them to the bodies because that's a Dumping Ground
00:45:45
for some of his other victims as well that's interesting that you say that that very well could be and the other
00:45:52
thought on him too Captain I would I would suspect is that is it possible that if they were
00:46:00
to find the bodies that his story his confession doesn't so much line up the problem with him is I don't think that
00:46:08
he's just going to come right out and say hey I was involved in this murder I was involved in this abduction or that
00:46:13
abduction or this murder the way they got to this guy was they found stuff on him they found things to
00:46:20
put him in place of that abduction in 1975 in Maryland things that he couldn't dismiss away he couldn't explain away
00:46:28
why he was there okay and then we know throughout the course of his lifetime he would go on to have sexual assault
00:46:37
offenses against girls of the same or similar age now I do want to kind of put a hopeful spin on this story and maybe
00:46:49
maybe to bring some people to to think that something good could happen soon maybe we could get some answers in this
00:46:56
case and that would be I want to cycle back to Rusty Arnold we talked about him he's the brother of one of the missing
00:47:03
individuals recently he has said that he has quote a hunch that Vehicles submerged in the Benbrook Lake may have
00:47:12
Clues to the 1974 disappearance of his sister and the two other girls from Fort Worth Texas Arnold said in August of
00:47:21
this year on Facebook that he and his group of volunteers had Ray had reached their goal of ten thousand dollars this
00:47:30
money is to pay divers to pull out three vehicles sitting deep at the bottom of the lake
00:47:37
okay so we may soon find out if he is right weather permitting the cars are scheduled to be pulled out September
00:47:47
22nd of this year by the divers and crew to see if there are any clues to The Disappearance of Rachel trilica Renee
00:47:57
Wilson and Julianne Mosley so just a few days away correct the case is listed as
00:48:04
active and opened by Fort Worth Police but according to Rusty Arnold he said that they are not involved in the search
00:48:12
at the lake so the group of volunteers are focusing on these three cars because they believe one of the vehicles belongs
00:48:21
to a person of interest in the case who knew one or all of the girls Rusty Arnold did not disclose the name of that
00:48:30
person of interest but said publicly at the same time the girls went missing we believe the vehicle he was driving also
00:48:38
disappeared Arnold added we sat around coming up with theories and we discovered that the
00:48:45
person of interest lived within five miles of Benbrook Lake at the time Arnold and his group have been working
00:48:52
on the lake theory for four years getting the help of a friend who used sonar and found the vehicles at the
00:49:01
bottom of Benbrook Lake this lake is in Southwest Fort Worth and it's about 10 miles from the shopping center so lots
00:49:10
of good news there Captain they have a lead they have something to follow up on something that could be concrete I mean
00:49:17
they know that these vehicles exist that they're in the lake and it sounds to me
00:49:21
after raising the money and after going through a couple of trial runs or practice Dives whatever you want to call
00:49:29
it they believe that this Saturday they may be able to remove all three of these
00:49:35
vehicles who knows what they may find in the course of those lives it might be some time before it's revealed what they
00:49:43
found or what significance it has to the case you know if you don't find a body in the vehicle or remains of one of the
00:49:52
victims in the vehicle it's not going to be so obvious you're going to have to sift through what is found and
00:49:57
determined if it holds any value evidentiary value in The Disappearance of these three girls but interesting and
00:50:05
a little bit of a little Ray of Hope that the remaining family members we're talking over 40 years ago that a lot of
00:50:13
these people lived the rest of their lives and never got any answers as far as what happened to their loved one now
00:50:20
maybe the remaining family members can get that answer those answers that they deserve and that they need they need
00:50:27
that they need some type of closure they need some type of reconciliation regarding this matter
00:50:33
this open wound that they have had for over 40 years foreign [Music] do we have a recommended reading this
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week yes sir we do this week we are recommending sons of Cain a history of serial killers from the Stone Age to the
00:50:58
present by Peter veransky and I tell you what Peter's got some very interesting thoughts and theories regarding serial
00:51:06
killers in the history of serial killers I would offer you a uh detailed description regarding the book however
00:51:15
what it says right on the front cover is the best example of what you're going to read
00:51:21
it's a fascinating history of serial killers from the Stone Age to the present that's called sons of Cain and
00:51:28
you don't have to write that title down right now you can go to our website True
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Crime garage.com click on the recommended page and we have a lot of recommended books and videos and stuff
00:51:38
for you there Captain I want to thank you for joining me in the garage and a big cheers to you sir happy birthday to
00:51:47
you uh old decrepit man thank you and thanks to everybody out there for joining us in the garage we want to see
00:51:54
you back here next week until then please be good be kind and don't litter foreign
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