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[Music] where we at didn't realize there was anybody else out there at first we were
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just like I said goofing off U and uh we come up on or didn't really come up on we noticed there were people on the
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track so a flashlight come on and then go back off they weren't looking in our Direction but we can see the light and
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so we kind of quieted down and snuck up a little bit closer to what was going on
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and there was five individuals uh standing on the tracks one thing that struck my curiosity is uh at the time my
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mother was dating uh an attorney named Dan uh Dan Harmon I knew him well enough to recognize him there were two more
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individuals that uh few minutes after we got there uh were walking down the railroad tracks that had a rifle uh and
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what looked a bit flashlight they were more or less kind of minding their own business
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uh and when they realized someone else was on the tracks uh they stopped and was fixing to turn around when
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someone or Danny motioned for them to come closer over to where they were uh they hesitated
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and eventually ended up walking on towards the rest of the group while my head was turned I heard a
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what sounded like a gunshot saw a flash as you would expect with a gunshot night
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we were pretty much terrified and bolted and ran other Witnesses corroborated that
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[Music] evidence this is part two of the boys on the tracks case Captain should we do a
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little recap last time on True Crime garage in the early morning hours of August
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23rd 1987 this is in Bryant Arkansas two boys were laying motionless on the train
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tracks and they were passed over by the train the investigation of their deaths falls into the jurisdiction of the
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Saline County Sheriff's office now that investigation has been called botched at
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best and where it picks up from there the medical examiner this is famy Malik he takes over the case and he has to
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investigate his ruling on the cause of the boy's deaths he's going to claim that the boys were high on marijuana and
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they passed out on the train tracks then the train came and ran the boys over and
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that's the cause of death ruling it an accidental death you're exactly correct exactly so the parents of the two boys
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are obviously dissatisfied with the sheriff's investigation as well as the medical examiner's findings so they
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schedule a press conference and it's after this press conference that a grand jury is is established and the grand
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jury decides that they review the they review the evidence and they decide that the cause of death might not be
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accidental that it's a possible homicide and they're going to call for a second autopsy after the grand jury
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successfully got the latest autopsy this was conducted by well-renowned pathologist Dr Burton now remember he
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was from out of state he was actually from Atlanta because they they needed not only fresh eyes on this but they
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needed someone that would not have connections locally or at the state level but also at the time Atlanta and
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Dr Burton had access to better technology this is going to change their findings of the death not being
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accidental but by being murdered yes let's let's say correcting right because they they just got it wrong from the
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beginning so from a possible homicide to a definite homicide and because the grand jury and the change in the
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correcting of the rulings of death the investigation was then transferred to the jurisdiction of the Arkansas State
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Police I say that because it's not only important to the telling of this story but in today's episode we will be
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reviewing some statements that have been taken from the Arkansas state police files from their investigation into the
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murders of 16-year-old Don Henry and 17-year-old Kevin Ives this new investigation team has uphill battle
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because from the get-go it should have been invest at as a homicide but it wasn't and they didn't do their due
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diligence and it was just investigated as a traffic death correct and we even discussed items that they failed to
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collect at the scene that may have had value towards pointing towards any kind of of evidence and before we get to the
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timeline we need to kind of discuss what was going on in the drug community in this town cocaine and Other Drugs were
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flowing into the city of Little Rock Arkansas and the smaller communities that surrounded it as as well uh this is
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coming from Central America via the freeways that connected Miami Los Angeles and Dallas but they were coming
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in by all forms of transportation by the time of 1987 the movers would Place cocaine on
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trains and it would be dropped at designated drop spots this was also coming in by airplane as well and not
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too far from the tracks where the boys were found there's an airport called the Mena airport and this was known by many
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to be trafficking drugs planes were landing near the airport under the cover of night without using their lights they
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were Landing sitting briefly and taking off again without cutting off their engines MH the state police was aware
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that this was going on so to combat this they started parking Vehicles near the airport well the airplane started
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adjusting what they were doing they picked out different locations and now rather than Landing they were just kind
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of buzzing the fields getting real low about 100t off the ground and dropping things from the planes obviously we have
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Kevin Ives and we have Don Henry those are the two boys that were found on the tracks but now let's get into some of
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the other key players yes the first person that we will introduce is a man by the name of Jeff rhs he's a young man
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that was interviewed by investigator Don Birdsong and this is from the state police files bird song's report this is
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with an interview with a young man that bird song does not identify in his notes
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but his notes state that the Wednesday before the boys were killed someone had contacted this man looking to buy an
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ounce of cocaine this being possibly rhs the buyer this guy was unable to obtain
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the cocaine so he contacted Don Henry Don and Kevin met with the buyer and they said that they could get Coke from
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Don's connections now this connection is not mentioned as well well and mind you
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that Don Henry was 16 years old at this time in another interview with the state
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police this is with Don Henry's sister Gayla Gayla stated that Don had been at the home of a alleged drug dealer to
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purchase marijuana on the Thursday or Friday before he was killed MH she had also heard Don say that he knew quote
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the ultimate dealer unquote he didn't give a name to this person but he said that the dealer worked out of Little
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Rock Arkansas well we have evidence that the boys were smoking pot so they got to
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get that from somebody M I've been on pot runs mhm right so you go into the house just because the guy sells maybe
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all he does is sell pot but he might sell other things and another statement this is from Chris Ballard who was at
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one time married to Don's sister he says that he saw Don on the Thursday before Don's death Don said that he was going
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to steal some cocaine Chris also said that Don had mentioned something about this ultimate guy working out of Little
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Rock Arkansas in one of the investigators notes this is investigator Don bird song these were entered into
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the file in the summer of 1989 and this is in regards to a conversation with a confidential informant stating that Don
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and Kevin had overheard a phone call between the dealer and an unidentified individual about a large drug drop near
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the area of the train tracks Sergeant Barney Phillips interviewed a friend of Don and Kevin's and said that the night
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that they had died he was at a party at a mobile home and the two of them dropped by before leaving this party he
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said that they had told him that they were going to go get some cocaine so they could sell it and make a bunch of
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money now let's introduce Keith Cony Keith Cony is a young man he's a an acquaintance of Don and Kevin
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Keith's mother Betty Alexander reported to a drug task force officer that her son had told her that he knew something
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about the IES and Henry deaths but he wouldn't explain to her what Now Keith would go on and tell his father and some
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of his friends that he had been out that night with well and let's you know not to interrupt but he was pretty close
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with his mother mhm he was afraid to tell her correct yes like like severely afraid but in a moment and and he I
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think he was afraid to tell his father as well wasn't like he just came out with this information old willy-nilly no
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he wasn't just running around town telling anybody that would listen uh this was something that he was it was
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burning inside of him but he was afraid to talk about it but I also think possibly you know having been in that
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father role that if if my son you know my stepson would have said I know something but I don't want to tell you I
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would have made him tell me you know because because I can't I can't try to protect you
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if I I don't know what you know yeah yeah well Keith had told his father and he had told some friends that he had
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been out that night with Don and Kevin this being the night of their deaths and he stated that they were out near sh
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Road uh where they were approached by two police officers in a vehicle okay now at this time Keith is on his
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motorcycle at this point and he states that he fled the scene and he believed that the boys were attacked and possibly
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killed by those two police officers so so he saw them being attacked and he fled the attack yeah he was he was
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hanging out with the two boys and as the officers approached he he took off he got out of there months after having
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telling his father about the story involving the Police Keith con's mother Betty Alexander she's at the local
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prison visiting her other son Eugene con now while she's there she meets a man by
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the name of Mike crook Mike crook is a former manager of GG's which is a nightclub on the county line Mike had
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told Betty about a GG's customer who frequented the club and an incident that the customer had said he had seen at a
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small grocery store near shrobe Road this is located in the general area of the train tracks where the boys were
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found on the night of their deaths he was parked at the store close to the railroad tracks waiting for his wife
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that's what this statement says there's another statement that says he believed that his wife was running around on him
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so he had parked there hoping to catch her in the act of being with a boyfriend or being with another man could you
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imagine just sitting out in a park dark car waiting for your significant other to possibly be with somebody else I
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wouldn't waste my time yeah I think that's that's good advice wouldn't waste my time well while the man is there and
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crook will refer to this man as Jerry and he says that Jerry saw three teenagers one of them was on a
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motorcycle and then he saw two officers arrive at the scene these boys were there smoking pot is what he believed
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that they were doing so one could assume that that is Keith Cooney on his motorcycle mhm and that is also Don and
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Kevin and they're all kind of hanging out smoking a little pot yes yes crook would say that Jerry does not identify
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the boys by name but he did in telling crook the story he did say I believe that two of those boys could have been
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the boys that were found that night well right but this is just proving that his
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story makes a lot of sense with Keith story MH Jerry then sees what he believes to be a police car pullup and
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at this time he says that one of the boys hops on the motorcycle and takes off now some kind of interaction goes
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badly between these police officers and the two remaining boys and he sees that an altercation breaks out and during the
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course of this he basically says that he sees the police officers beating the [ __ ] out of the remaining two boys and
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afterwards they throw the kids into the back of the patrol car the man Jerry he tells crook this story back at GG's
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Nightclub at some point and after discussing the story crook tells him you know what that's probably you're
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probably right those are probably the two boys that were found that night and you really should report this now Jerry
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was a little hesitant to do so because he saw police officers what he believed to be police officers you know abusing
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some citizens right right and so he convinces Jerry to report this Jerry does go and report this situation to the
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Sheriff's Office uh Jerry is immediately thrown in jail uh he's thrown in jail for back child support and they keep him
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in jail for the mandatory sentence of 90 days that he was to serve after the 90 days this Jerry person
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immediately leaves town now why do we keep referring to him as Jerry well it's because Crook in the statement refused
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to name the guy right just stating that his name was Jerry and he looked he looked kind of Mexican was the best
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description that he would give about regarding Jerry yeah well I think his real name was sketchy Jerry well we're
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going to follow that up with another statement and this is from a man named Ronnie Godwin now Ronnie Godwin
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according to his statement he had been at gig's nightclub uh for about three or four hours the night that the boys had
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passed away this is a happening place he said that he had had seven or eight beers there before he left and he left
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around midnight uh when he was driving home he was driving down Highway 5 he turned down County Line Road uh and then
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he turned right on to 111 as he approached shrobe Road he saw an unmarked police car he said it was
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either tan or gray but it had three antennas police hubcaps and spotlights on it uh instead of
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turning right on to shr Road toward his home wait hold on which could be like a detective car yes you know CU a lot of
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times like we we live in a pretty small town and when you see well well I do you
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live north but um you grew up here and you know you see these cars you have your the police cruisers MH and then
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sometimes you have the sheriff cars or you have like maybe a chief of police car but then you also have these
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detective cars they're pretty easy to spot tented Windows a bunch of antennas yeah well after seeing the vehicle he
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decided to go straight to avoid being noticed instead of turning towards going to his home he had been drinking
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obviously that night he said seven or eight beers and he was concerned that he was going to get another DWI had they
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spotted him he would eventually Park his car and shut off his lights but when he
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was near shrob Road dark Cano he saw two cops with two boys uh his first thought
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was that the police may have caught some boys trying to break into the store that
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was in the area one of the boys was described as being taller than the other and more heavy set and this boy had
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light colored hair uh this boy had been shoved up against the phone booth by a larger cop we can assume at this point
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the teenagers that they're pushing up against this pole would be Don Henry mhm he during this altercation he believes
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that he sees one of the teenagers being hit with something in the head and this was near a phone booth so he wasn't
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certain if it would have been the receiver from the phone uh that would would have been from the phone booth or
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if it would have been a larger item it's you know it's dark out he's got his lights off uh but he sees the one boy
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being hit in the head and remember in the autopsy was the whole skull fractures and he also says that he did
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not believe or did not see the boys to be resist in in any form that that these guys were just going after these kids
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right these guys were just getting their ass kicked mhm the second boy he saw uh
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there was an officer standing over the other teenage boy who was kneeling and on the ground but he had his head down
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and he couldn't really make out whom the kid was after this all took place he said that he saw the two officers throw
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the boys into the back seat of their vehicle he then sees one of the officers grab what he believes to be a rifle and
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throw it into the car as well the officers then get into the vehicle and they take off he says that they make a
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turn and he noticed that they went onto a road that that is a dead end uh he lost track of their lights so at some
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point he believes that they may have turned off to the left he was obviously concerned about this situation and a bit
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scared but he's still also watching out for him himself he's still worried about
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that possible DWI right and so he decides that since nobody noticed him there he knew that these officers would
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have to turn around at some point because it was a dead end and he was worried that they could come out at any
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second so he decided to still lay low there and he said it's probably about 15 or 20 minutes went by before he sees the
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vehicle drive by again he did not notice if the boys were still in the vehicle at
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this point Ronnie Goodwin estimated that all this took place around 2 or 2:30 a.m. that night the night that the boys
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were found on the tracks right now this is interesting here Captain we have a couple of stories that seem to be lining
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up with one another we have we have their friend Keith coony who states that he left because police officers drove up
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scared him off and he believed that there something happened between the police officers and the and the boys
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yeah at least a confrontation M so we have that story then we have the unknown Jerry person M and then we have this Ron
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Goodwin come forward Shady Jerry yeah yeah well the thing here is the state the state police officers uh during
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their investigation they believed because this Ronnie Goodwin story was so similar to the story of this unknown
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Jerry person that get his name right that had moved out of the area they believe that Jerry and Ronnie Godwin
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were one of the same and the thing here is when they approached Crook and and they asked him you know here here's the
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guy that we believe this Jerry person is can you confirm this or deny it he States very matter of factly this is not
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the person that I'm talking about this is I I still refuse to give his name but this is not the person that that I was
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described in a sense it's almost like they're trying to minimize the idea that there was police officers involved you
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know I mean like well we got three stories right now that they all kind of line up but uh we're we're thinking that
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you know guy a and Guy C are the same so really only have two stories that line up or possibly it could be the exact
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opposite though maybe they're trying to corroborate this Godwin story right and and and and just go to him and say okay
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now we know you told somebody else about this and we believe you even more um I mean it really could go either way which
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does make some sense because he was coming from the bar mhm so that would you know put two and two together yeah
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there there's a lot of things that line up there but there's probably more than one person leaving that bar that night
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correct yeah well now we have three stories so let's get to the fourth story this is going to come to us by Tom new
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house not to be confused by Tom oldh housee but this is the guy that was hiding in the bushes Tom new house is
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not introduced into this whole thing until around 1993 this is when a friend of Kevin Ives
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reaches out to Linda and he says that he knows a boy that's now 18 and 19 1993 uh
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that had seen some things that took place that night and he wanted to put her in contact with this boy this boy
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didn't want to talk to anybody but he thought that maybe if Linda talked to him that he would he would feel the urge
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to come forward with this information having meeting one of the one of the victims so he puts the two of them in
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touch together well meeting the victim's mother correct and so Tom Tom tells this
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story that he is out the night that the boy are found and he was out with a couple of his friends they were out in
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the area of the tracks and they were looking for marijuana plants and they were goofing around and just you know
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just kind of being out in the middle of the night you know doing weird stuff well yeah well we kind of talked about
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this like when we're kids the whole thing was especially around the summertime was you might if you could
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camp out out in the backyard that you might go like do some pranks right you might toilet paper somebody's house you
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might pee in somebody's mailbox stuff like that uh inappropriate not nice stuff but the the best was it's good for
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the toilet paper manufacturers right right well good and bad yeah but uh but it was always weird to me is like you'd
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be walking to the neighborhood and you might have a couple buddies with you and then all of a sudden you see another
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group of people from your high school and they're out doing the same thing did did that ever happen with you once
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happened once yeah but it like freaks you out so kind of similar thing where you have this one group of boys
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out we're not for sure what they're doing yet they claim that they're hunting and then you got this other set
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of kids out and they're maybe looking for a pot just kind of looking around yeah well and you know what happens
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Captain if you're out at night and you're a kid in the dark and you see some lights headlights or a light turn
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on you you what do you do you duck and you hide and these kids Tom and these other kids they see Tom would have been
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12 at the time and they see a light and they decide to duck down and they're going to kind of observe what's going on
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and they see three men on the tracks and he he very outwardly describes these guys as men uh and during this time he
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also sees two other figures approaching now Tom and the other kids they kind of move up and try to get a little closer
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to the situation to see what's going on now they're intrigued right and he sees that the men are trying to engage the
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other two figures they're kind of calling out to them and telling them to come over and talk to them this is the
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boy that we heard in the trailer correct yeah and he says that the boys seem he describes these other two figures as as
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not grown men as possible teenagers he states that the teenagers didn't seem to be they didn't want to go over and talk
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to the men they were very reluctant to do so at some point though they get must have been convinced to do so because
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then they start walking over towards the men now at this point Tom is ducking down and he's kind of hiding because he
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sees several flashlights at the time and he hears what he believes to be a gunshot go off like he said in the
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trailer he kind of looked away mhm and then but he also saw the flash of the gun saw the flash of light now he cannot
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say whether that gunfire came from the teenage boys or from the three men that he had already seen on the tracks what
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he does say though is as soon as they hear that him and his friends decide to take off and flee the area
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well and the thing is that he recognizes one of the guys on the tracks yes and and why does he recognize one of them
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well I he claims that his mother was seeing attorney in town mhm and that attorney was on the train tracks and
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that man is Dan Harmon and where do we know that name from Captain well he was the prosecutor that we had talked about
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in episode one uh that was involved in the case of the death of the two boys so get your head around this right this is
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what what we're saying people this is why this case is mind-blowing to me is that we have later years down years down
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the line right MH in 1993 this stuff comes out but years earlier we have two boys that you know mysteriously die on
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train tracks they think it's a a traffic accident and then they bring it to a grand jury and that's brought by this
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guy Dan Dan Dan Harmon and he is the the lead prosecutor and he's the one that's
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in charge of all the evidence and collecting all the evidence and getting his hands wherever and years later comes
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out that oh he might have been on those tracks we have an eyewitness that states
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that it was in fact Dan Harmon that he could identify it positively identify him as Dan Harmon because he knew Dan
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Harmon he had some he had a relationship with him the man dated his mother and we
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also have another eyewitness that points to Dan as well yeah and we're going to get to her right after this quick beer
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00:32:22
know the story just took a bit of a Twist there at the last part but we yeah did we're going to add to that twist a
00:32:28
little bit by introducing a person by the name of Charlene Wilson um now this woman she's in her 30s and she was known
00:32:36
to be popular around town uh but this is this would take place years after the investigation into the deaths of the
00:32:46
boys and this is during an investigation regarding criminal charges in an unrelated case uh Charlene Wilson
00:32:55
testified in front of of a grand jury to amongst other things but the important thing here to our case is that amongst
00:33:05
those other things she testified that she had dated Dan Harmon for some time now this would have taken place in 1987
00:33:12
right the same years the deaths right and to call a female popular let's just go ahead and put it on the table Dan
00:33:18
Harmon was also considered popular yes yes he was and uh during this time Dan Harmon he was married um and she said
00:33:27
that they dated probably seven or eight times during the course of that year but
00:33:32
the two of them had snorted cocaine on several of those occasions right so Not only was Dan Harmon popular but he was
00:33:40
also what I'd like to call [ __ ] yeah because you can't you can't have a girlfriend when you're married or
00:33:47
you shouldn't have a girlfriend when you're married well the big deal here Captain is that not only does she say
00:33:52
these things but let's keep in mind she's testifying to this to these statements in front of a grand jury so
00:33:59
this is a big deal this is not like you just said it to some news reporter or somebody on the street no this is now
00:34:05
opening up a line of questioning that is probably going to open up to a line of Investigation about the person that
00:34:12
you're talking about by saying that the prosecutor somebody that has been a prosecutor was known to be using illegal
00:34:19
drugs during the course of of his tenure yeah Dan is basically a Coco and this is
00:34:25
going to lead us to aot of other questions regarding Dan Harmon now the police get involved here because after
00:34:32
this statement in front of the grand jury they want to know more about not only Dan's drug use but also this
00:34:40
witness's drug use and they also want to know what else she may know about things
00:34:44
that were going on in the area around 1987 and 1988 so when they question Charlene Wilson they start off by
00:34:53
providing her with two prepared questions um and one of them is more directed toward Dan Harmon and the other is more
00:35:02
directed towards the deaths of Kevin and Dawn now I'm going to read these for you
00:35:07
uh the first one starts off by asking tell us about your drug dealings with Dan Harmon and Charlene responds he kept
00:35:14
me high a lot on occasion I would make specific drops to different areas for him I got high with him a lot the next
00:35:23
question is if you were going to conduct an investig ation on Dan Harmon how would you do it she states that she
00:35:30
would go to his ex-wife Rebecca then he would then she would check his money background with a fine tooth comb mhm
00:35:39
she then recommended going through drug task force records to see who they may have let off during his time when he was
00:35:45
in power as well as payoffs and Drug trades and things of that nature mhm they asked her to list the five most
00:35:52
important causes that would have led Dan Harmon selling drugs and using drugs she
00:35:58
states that it would be his family history also letting people go that had enough money to buy him off would have
00:36:05
led to his drug use uh drugs being confiscated but not actually being reported would be things that he might
00:36:12
have been using or selling right and by letting BigTime dealers off for free she
00:36:18
also stated that it's common knowledge of his drug use and that had been common knowledge amongst many people in his
00:36:24
Circle for years they asked her to write in DET one drug deal that that she had conducted with Dan Harmon now now this
00:36:32
is going to be a little difficult because like she said I mean she was high a lot of the time yes and I imagine
00:36:39
that there were probably more than one drug dealings that she was involved with with Dan Harmon but she's going to give
00:36:44
the answer to one of those and the one that she states is one that took place at a place called Lee beastro club uh
00:36:51
she says Dan Harmon was there as well as Roger Clinton and herself she said that
00:36:56
this took took place on a weekend night and that they had met there in a parking
00:37:00
lot and did a cocaine exchange the next question she's asked do you know who else deals drugs with
00:37:07
Dan Harmon and now they've they've pulled this information from this questionaire because she's naming other
00:37:14
people here but she does name at least four other men the next question is while filling out this form what were
00:37:21
your emotions and she states that she was scared but she was also ready to come clean she's worried about what Dan
00:37:28
may find out that she is saying about him now in the second questionnaire as I said is more related to the deaths of
00:37:34
the boys and it starts off by saying tell us what you know about the circumstances that might have led to the
00:37:41
deaths of Don Henry and Kevin IES she states that she feels that Dan Harmon has more knowledge of the two boys'
00:37:48
deaths than he has ever told in late summer in in August she says that she drove with Harmon to Alexander to meet
00:37:56
with she assumes a man named Keith mcal to make a pickup now she says this would
00:38:02
have been around the time of the two boys' deaths they asked her to write in detail what happened on August 22nd 1987
00:38:11
from the time that she got up until the time she went to bed that evening she states that she got up she did some coke
00:38:17
and Crystal mixed I guess that she says that's called highballing uh she cleaned
00:38:22
up the house left and went off to find some more drugs later that afternoon Dan and wanted to show her a house and they
00:38:30
went in his car and they looked at a house in Alexander when they came back to her
00:38:35
house she said she ate something and put on some makeup Dan then asked her to take a ride back out to Alexander with
00:38:42
him and he asked her to pull down the Old Quarry Road and she he told her to wait in the car he gets out and he
00:38:50
leaves she states that she stayed in the vehicle and she got high a while while she was waiting for him to come back she
00:38:56
said he suddenly then comes back shouting let's go they hop in the vehicle and they head back to her place
00:39:03
and that's when she is told to take a shower um he's she's asking him if there's anything wrong he's saying
00:39:09
there's nothing wrong uh that they spent some time together that evening he took
00:39:13
a shower she went to bed and he left well he had to go back to his wife's house well the final question on this
00:39:19
questionnaire is they ask her do you have any reason to be afraid of answering any of these questions and she
00:39:26
stayes simply yes I do because Dan Harmon does not like me in 1993 this would be in May uh by this
00:39:34
point Dan Harmon has been charged with some drug possession charges and he is currently awaiting trial now I think I
00:39:43
think some of this is going to come to light here Captain because I think that at this point Charlene Wilson might feel
00:39:49
that she might be safe from Dan Harmon because he's facing these charges and he could potentially be going to prison
00:39:55
right uh but in an in an interview with the State Police Department she states that she knows quite a bit more about
00:40:04
the night that the boys were killed oh now it's getting kind of Juicy this is a statement given to detective Brown
00:40:10
Charlene said that she had been with Dan Harmon and Keith mccal the night that the boys had been killed she went with
00:40:18
them to the train tracks she said that when they arrived there were two other men that were there as well but all
00:40:24
these men seemed to be agitated because there was a small band of kids that had tried to rip off the drop see now they
00:40:32
were going there because there was going to be this drug drop they were expecting
00:40:36
to get 3 to four lounds of coke and 5 lbs of weed well and and like we said there was Drops that were made from
00:40:43
trains but also possible that the planes would come in and stop in a field make a
00:40:49
drop and then fly to the airport mhm now she said that when the men got there they stumbled upon these boys that were
00:40:56
apparently trying to rip them off MH and what had happened was they chased after
00:41:01
the boys and they got away now she said that they caught two of them and they were brought back to the tracks this was
00:41:09
Kevin Ives and Don Henry uh she said that when the boys arrived one of them was already deceased at that point she
00:41:17
then claimed that Keith mcal killed the other one h no no no no no she's lying she's lying that's not the whole story
00:41:25
it's not the whole story but it's it's also not the end of the story so she would actually give multiple confessions
00:41:32
to what had happened to the boys of course she would so well we kind of see it with that first part with the
00:41:37
questionnaire right she kind of leads on that she and Dan Harmon know more about
00:41:42
the boy's death than what Dan Harmon is willing to admit that he knows and apparently is more than what she's
00:41:47
willing to admit to knowing during filling out that questionnaire now when she gives her second statement this to
00:41:54
detective Brown she now states that she one of the boys is dead she knows exactly what happened to them one of the
00:42:00
boys is dead when she's at the tracks and the other boy is killed in front of her by Keith mccal well we see another
00:42:07
confession from her and one thing I do want to point out here though Captain is you know we' talked about this a lot
00:42:13
when we see multiple confessions from people usually the stories can trange change drastically that's not what takes
00:42:20
place with Charlene Wilson now with Charlene Wilson basically what I think we get Captain Is We I think we get the
00:42:28
story you know we get the tip of the iceberg with her with that questionnaire then we get pretty much the whole story
00:42:34
right she's filling Us in on more things now this this last let's call it confession it's basically the same story
00:42:42
as the second with one little twist in there okay okay and the twist being that she actually stabbed one of the I knew
00:42:51
it I knew it she said that she was quite high at the time um coked out of her mind she had been hanging out with Dan
00:42:59
Harmon most of the evening Coke and Fizz that's what they call it doing coke and
00:43:03
she said sex she said that after the boys were attacked the one was already dead and the one was near death that the
00:43:10
the men that were there they were they were telling her to stab the boy well yeah because their thought process there
00:43:17
is if she is a right now she's just a witness mhm and she's basically a complice but she can get away with that
00:43:25
yeah but if she stabs one of the boys she's guilty then she's also a murderer yeah yeah and that's why they wanted her
00:43:33
to stab the other boy yeah she she would be guilty as a witness but now she's guilty as a as a conspirator to murder
00:43:40
mhm um so she does admit to stabbing one of the boys in the back um she does right right and we have the evidence of
00:43:48
the stab hole MH and so that's basically her confessions to to that evening well
00:43:55
that really to me we've pointed out quite a bit of other stories regarding that night that all kind of have some
00:44:03
loose parts to them but once you factor in Charlene Wilson's statement that she gives she's kind of the glue she's the
00:44:10
glue kind of binding everything together so I think we need to kind of using these stories we we should be able to
00:44:17
kind of walk through a timeline for the evening of August 23rd 1987 yeah I mean she's the glue that's made out of mainly
00:44:26
cocaine so we'll start off with the boys right Kevin Ives and Don Henry well we've pointed out that if if we take
00:44:33
into account everyone's statements that were given to the police and let's say we believe every statement that was
00:44:39
given to the police well this kind of points out that maybe the boys might not have been going out that night to
00:44:46
actually go hunting they might been involved in something else regardless they went out that night we know they
00:44:52
went out that night this would be between 12:30 and 1 a.m. they leave the house saying that they're
00:44:58
going to go hunting well we now have eyewitness accounts of other people being at the tracks that night yeah and
00:45:06
so the Assumption here is that Kevin and Don got this plan in their head that you
00:45:14
know we buy pot and we don't have much money but we know some guys that actually sell some stuff where we can
00:45:21
make a bunch of money off of it so if we could intercept one of these you know I'm not saying that these these kids
00:45:28
wanted to try cocaine I'm saying that it's probably more likely that they're like you know what if we could get some
00:45:34
cocaine and we probably know some people that would buy it we can make some quick
00:45:38
cash MH and we wouldn't even have to put any money up front because we're just intercepting a drop yeah well I mean
00:45:45
there there's some proof that they might have been looking to purchase cocaine or
00:45:49
to to distribute it to other people to make some cash um and if that's if that in fact is is true and they did stumble
00:45:57
into a situation where they overhere this big-time drug dealer that they keep referring to as talking about a drop
00:46:06
then maybe this is some kind of plan that they devised do you think the BigTime drug dealer that they were
00:46:11
talking about was uh Dan yes I actually do um and whether they knew him by name or knew it to be
00:46:20
Dan Harmon I don't know but I think that there might have been people that talked
00:46:24
about this big time drug lord this big time Big Time play Big Time um the thing here is the the reason being is if if
00:46:34
he's at the drop I don't see why he's not the big time guy you know you know the way these things work you usually
00:46:39
have one it's like a pyramid scheme you have one guy that's doing pulling in a lot of the product he's Distributing it
00:46:46
to a couple people who distribute it to a few more people and the it gets bigger
00:46:50
as you go down the pyramid there and it spreads out the money and most of the money goes to the top there and we're
00:46:57
talking about a drop if we believe Charlene Wilson here we're talking about a drug drop of she says three to four
00:47:04
lbs of cocaine [ __ ] and 5 lbs of weed that sounds like a pretty decent drop to
00:47:10
me right I don't know much about drug drops drug drops raindrops drop tops but we also have Charlene Wilson statement
00:47:18
saying that she was at the tracks that night with Dan Harmon Keith mccal and a man by the name of Larry Rochelle now
00:47:26
who are these other two guys so Keith mccal he is a local bartender he works at one of those places up by the county
00:47:34
line and he's he's a pretty well-known bartender as well he's he's a guy that's known to be a bit rough around the edges
00:47:41
he's known to be a drug user as well as a distributor he's also a Burley guy right now I don't know much about this
00:47:48
Larry Rochelle guy um but what I'm kind of assuming here Captain is that I think
00:47:53
this Keith mcal is involved with moving drugs for Dan Harmon and this Larry Rochelle is probably involved in the
00:48:01
same thing I'm maybe this Larry guy Shady Jerry there a possibility I mean like where he's like uh who's who's your
00:48:08
friend uh not not Larry Jerry yeah yeah but I don't think that Larry I don't think that Larry's going to come forward
00:48:17
and fess up to anything when he's involved in a murder or maybe a way to tell a story to
00:48:23
cover his own ass well we got to stay clear about this because now we have the two teenage boys we have Don and Kevin
00:48:29
at the tracks and we also have Dan Haron Keith mccal and Larry Rochelle now we know some of these players here because
00:48:38
we have two eyewitness statements we have Charlene Wilson stating that Dan Harmon Keith mccal and Larry Roselle are
00:48:44
at the tracks we also have we also have Tom new housee who's hiding in the bushes nearby witnessing this event take
00:48:53
place now there are are some statements that say that that other boy that we talk about later Keith Cooney might have
00:49:01
been one of the boys in the bushes with Tom new house now the situation here is new house Witnesses these guys interact
00:49:09
with each other there seems to be some kind of disagreement he hears The Gunshot go off and then the two
00:49:14
teenagers flee at this same time we have Tom new house who flees as well shortly
00:49:20
after that we have Don Henry and Kevin Ives who are seen near the store near shrobe road now this is with the uh
00:49:31
Keith Cooney as well he states that he was there with the boys so we have Keith Cooney statement stating this and he
00:49:38
says that two police officers pull up and at this point that Keith takes off now we also have the other two
00:49:45
eyewitnesses this is your buddy Shady Jerry now he's there he says that he sees two police officers he also sees
00:49:53
one boy take off on a motorcycle ccle and two remaining teenage boys we also have Ronnie Godwin story who basically
00:50:01
says about the same thing we have these two eyewitnesses that state that they see police officers beating up kids and
00:50:08
throwing them in the back of a vehicle mhm now through these statements one thing that we learn we do learn who
00:50:16
these officers are because of descriptions given as well as names given during some of these statements
00:50:22
and these officers are Jay Campbell and Kirk Lane and they work for the palaski county sheriff's office so now we got
00:50:32
more we got more characters here well let's just stop right there right so you know look some sometimes I get you know
00:50:39
hate mail saying we don't need a recap hey sometimes we do there's a lot going on right now so here it is these boys go
00:50:48
out to the woods we're assuming that maybe instead of hunting that they're trying to get in on a drop so that they
00:50:55
possibly could get the drugs maybe sell the drugs who knows yeah they're going to do a Robin Hood move they they've
00:51:02
they've identified some bad guys they found a way that they could make some money off of this they're going to
00:51:07
intercept these drugs and sell them off to their friends right and again they're
00:51:12
16 and 17 so I think some of it is just like you you make some weird decisions I
00:51:18
don't even want to say bad decisions you sometimes it's just a weird decision so
00:51:23
anyways they go out there they're some kind of Confrontation they jet they leave mhm then they meet up with their
00:51:30
friends so now they're back at the store and there's three of them and then guess
00:51:34
who rolls up the police officers now what we do know is if Dan Harmon was there that you know he's a prosecutor or
00:51:41
he becomes a prosecutor after this event he knows people of power he's in a position of power and if he's the big-
00:51:50
time drug dealer he is a position of power right and he probably has people working for him within the system and
00:51:57
out of the system and so it's not like you know if these cops did what the eyewitnesses claim that they did they
00:52:06
were working for Dan Harmon yes you're exactly right and what what takes place here we don't know we can't figure out
00:52:14
if the police officers if these two Sheriff officers if they intended to kill the boys if they were told to kill
00:52:21
the boys but they were certainly told to go out and catch these boys right know go find these guys that that stumbled
00:52:27
upon our our operation here and bring them back to me you know they bring these boys back to the tracks and at
00:52:35
that point this is where Charlene Wilson's statement carries through stating that one of the boys was dead by
00:52:40
that time probably the one that was you know beat in the face yes he was he was hit in the face with with the either the
00:52:47
gun or a telephone a receiver or both and it could have been as simple as the orders were bring these guys back to me
00:52:55
and then when they tried to apprehend these boys it got out of control because the boys knew what they're going to head
00:53:01
back to right they're heading back to a a drug boss and if you don't know much about it all you then would know is
00:53:10
Hollywood mhm so then you have to deal with the images of you have from Hollywood right so you'd be scared out
00:53:19
of your mind so you're going to fight for your life the boys are then brought back to the tracks and according to
00:53:25
Charlene Wilson that's when the second boy is killed um whether it be from Keith mccal or whether it be from her
00:53:33
stabbing him but then they place the boys on the tracks so that their bodies are destroyed and all the evidence would
00:53:40
be destroyed as well well that's five key players in this and I would I would say you know to me that all five of
00:53:50
those players are involved in the death yeah yeah right yeah yeah there there's some moving Parts here that that we
00:53:59
don't have um we don't have a solid statement that locks them into this timeline for the entirety of the
00:54:07
timeline because we have this Keith mccal he's a bit of a he's a bit of a rogue situation here right Captain we
00:54:15
don't know if he was actually at the tracks from the start to the finish of this because there is a statement that
00:54:22
says that Keith Cooney had went and and told Keith mccal what he had seen at the
00:54:29
tracks and that he had fled from some police officers and that mcal then went down to the railroad tracks the only
00:54:37
person that states that mcal was there is Wilson who says that she didn't see him until the time that the boys were
00:54:43
brought back right so my question here is I got a little bit of a question with this m mcal but you're exactly right
00:54:49
these are the five key players but you know did he only show up for the second portion of this mhm or was he one of the
00:54:57
three men that Tom new house saw on the tracks because the situation I think is what what was more likely is that both
00:55:05
of those officers might have been there with this Larry Rochelle and Dan Harmon as a form of protection for this drop
00:55:12
you know maybe you leave one officer in the car because new house only saw three
00:55:17
guys on the tracks you leave one guy in the car to keep it as a lookout and the other officer walks along with you as a
00:55:24
form of prote that's the only that makes sense to me other than maybe they can't make a radio
00:55:30
call saying these two guys interrupted our our drop go catch our drug deal our drug drop yeah right so I don't know I
00:55:39
don't know if Keith mccal was actually involved in the murder or if he stumbled upon it later and then was terrified
00:55:47
because he was dealing drugs for Dan Harmon and didn't want to throw him under the bus because Dan Harmon had a
00:55:52
lot of a lot of stuff on him well and on top of that you just you have two dead bodies you're going to go run in your
00:56:00
mouth after you saw you know two dead bodies MH so even if you didn't get there till after they're
00:56:08
dead then at that point you're you're maybe not talking because you're well he he wouldn't be talking if he's dealing
00:56:15
for Dan Harmon is my guess if he's working for Dan Haron as a drug dealer right but some people are drug
00:56:22
dealers and not murderers right and that's that's why I'm bringing up Keith mccal because I don't I'm not convinced
00:56:28
that he was there for the actual murder of these boys right I'm stating that it very clear he could have just stumbled
00:56:35
upon the end result while the men were still there and because he was dealing drugs for Dan Harmon and he was caught
00:56:42
up in this drug ring he didn't come forward with information well and maybe it sounds stupid you know
00:56:48
but you got five adults here got two teenage boys that like I said making a weird decision maybe a dumb decision you
00:56:56
know ultim ultimately they paid the price for it mhm you know we're going to go out into the woods if it wasn't just
00:57:03
for hunting if it was to disrupt a drug drop then that that's a very bad decision you know yeah um if you're just
00:57:12
going out and hunting wrong place at the wrong time right mhm and uh you saw some
00:57:16
things that you shouldn't have seen but it seems like there's a lot of weight that they were planning to do this but
00:57:23
they're teenage boys 16 and 17 years old and you got these adults that are some in the system some
00:57:31
out of the system and they're just doing it for [ __ ] money anyways right and so and and I and maybe these guys like I
00:57:38
said there's a big difference between a drug dealer and a murderer but then once
00:57:42
these guys thought they were caught they had to do something about these boys and they and they chose I think to
00:57:50
murder them or knock them unconscious cuz the one that was beat in the face could have you know you know drifted off
00:57:58
into a coma for all we know and then they lay him on the tracks doesn't matter that there's a train coming he's
00:58:04
not waking up from that you know and they might not have been fully dead by the time the trains hit them I I think
00:58:14
it's most likely that they were but either way it's murder oh yeah yeah and and I agree with
00:58:20
you I think it's most likely that they were in fact dead when they were play placed on the tracks we have Wilson's
00:58:27
statement Charlene Wilson statement saying that she believed both boys to be dead when they were placed on the tracks
00:58:33
this also goes along with something we talked about in the first episode with the EMTs what they what they thought
00:58:39
about the blood as well as the train crew who were Avid Hunters that when they saw the blood of these boys it was
00:58:45
not bright red it was not flowing this Blood wasn't you know had they been killed while they were unconscious on
00:58:52
the tracks their their heart would would have been pumping seconds before they were run over this would have caused the
00:58:58
blood to flow this would have me more blood evidence everywhere at that scene there was a lot less blood than anybody
00:59:05
with a trained eye expected to see and it also was not the color that they expected to see it was purplish in color
00:59:12
it did not look to be fresh blood right so we have these five adults but we also
00:59:16
have these people like I said of power people that are in the system and that's what's so crazy because then you know
00:59:24
once they rule it at accidental death which is probably ruled at accidental death because of the people that Dan
00:59:30
Harmon knew right and so they can get this ruling and then all of a sudden when it when all this new information
00:59:37
starts coming to light and we're going to bring it in front of grand jury guess what lawyer volunteers his Services he
00:59:44
rises to the occasion and he throws himself in the middle of the investigation not only throws himself in
00:59:49
there but he's going to be being the guy that's steering and directing the grand
00:59:54
jury and on top of that he has the power he's going to use the grand jury like his own set of bodyguards going
01:00:03
basically run a racketeering operation and a blackmailing operation through this grand jury he can now subpoena
01:00:11
whoever he wants in the area bring them in for questioning submit them to questions to find out what they know
01:00:18
what they do or don't know who they've talked to and he can he can sift through the dirt man he can sift through the
01:00:26
dirt and see what Rises to the top to find out what people know and maybe who he needs to shut up right but who's this
01:00:32
lawyer's name well this is Dan Harmon right right once a prosecutor twice a prosecutor but clearly always a drug
01:00:40
dealer and always a douche Cano and he's got two sheriffs at least two sheriffs that we know of that are on the take
01:00:47
he's got drug dealers working for him he's created his own little web his own little operation and he's done it all
01:00:54
under the watchful eye of of the local police well and I've never heard of a story where okay one accidental death
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you know that's what it's they claim it's AEL Dental death oh it's not now we got to bring it to trial who brings it
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to trial Dan Haron years later who's one of the number one suspects in the actual
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murder Dan Harmon MH I've never heard of that ever I mean it's freaking mindblowing and we're just get we're
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just getting warmed up I mean I mean we should call part part three of four should just be called death death that's
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what it should be called yes we certainly got so much more to get to we'll get to that next week we got more
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evidence we got more crimes being committed we're just getting started right what's our recommended reading for
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the week recommended reading this week I'm excited about this one Captain it's called Dark spell surviving the sentence
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uh this is by one of my favorite and I believe one of the very best True Crime authors out there there Mara Leverett in
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this story dark spell it's about Jason Baldwin most of you will know him from the West Memphis 3 uh she's written
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about them before this is kind of continuing on in the case so if you're like me and you always want to read more
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about the West Memphis 3 pick up dark spell surviving the sentence by Mara Leverett you can do that by going to our
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website truecrime garage.com you click on the recommended page and you pick things up through our Amazon banner and
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real quick before we go here Captain we have something to talk about regarding iTunes and and the episodes we've had a
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little trouble okay so all we do is we we have a host and then our host sends it to iTunes and sometimes it's just
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been coming up that there's an error sometimes we get it sometimes it's a download error we're not really for sure
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all we can do is do a request sometimes our host says oh well we did something wrong sometimes it's on iTunes in and
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it's it's very frustrating and it it basically keeps me up a bunch of times but also every time that we at a episode
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MH uh it knocks off uh normally West Memphis 3 part one mhm and so I have to go back in and add it and
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sometimes I forget to so when it disappears it's because I forgot to and just give me a day or so and I'll fix it
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yeah the the pro we a we apologize for the troubles and for the frustration but it's just equally as frustrating on our
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end we are aware of the issue we've reported the issue many many times M and it is in their hands now yeah and I like
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to send them a bunch of video chat messages me just screaming I'm I'm going to put you in your face fix it fix it
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now anyways thanks for sharing every time somebody shares it on social media just it fills my heart an angel gets its
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wings my my heart gets all gooey all right much love to you and until next week be good be kind and don't
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