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round grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] we have three individuals in custody
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three being charged with murder and the police are hoping that one of them will turn on the others and talk now under
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questioning Captain Bryce Rhodes denied any knowledge of what had happened to Larry and Maurice he did tell cops after
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talking to them for several hours quote I need a lawyer man if you're going to keep all in my face now Taylor the other
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individual in custody also initially refused to talk and tell detectives what he knew so police are going to turn to
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this anwan Carter the youngest of the three and he decides to help out do the right thing and he tells police
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exactly what happened to Maurice and Larry anwan said that on the night of May 21st leading into the 22nd he and
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Bryce Rhodes and the two brothers and Jacory Taylor were all hanging out at Bryce's roads place now remember Captain
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I said that it was important that Bryce Rhodes Mom said she was out of town when
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whatever went down went down right price as successful and famous rapper guy that
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he claims to be in the neighborhood lives at home with Mommy of course well that's because he's spending too much
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money at the jewelry store that's right so Taylor and Maurice get into a fight at Bryce's place this is what's being
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told to police that Maurice pulled it out a knife price roads hit Maurice and took the knife away then anwon also
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maintained that Larry and Maurice had stolen some money from Bryce Rhodes this all these actions leading up to
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their murder now I want to be perfectly clear here Captain because it's not clear to me how much of this is
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true right that there was an altercation that these two boys stole from Bryce Rhodes well also there's a good chance
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that none of that's true but also makes it seem like they pulled a knife and then Bryce took the knife away therefore
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it being some kind of Act of self-defense right right because the rest of what anwan
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would tell the police is basically what you mentioned on yesterday's show that Bryce Rhodes afraid that he's going to
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be implicated for Murder by these two Young Bucks that he decides the best way to get them
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not to talk is to shut them up permanently and kill them yeah and he ties them up and puts a stocking cap
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over their face and and stabs them to death yeah and anwan went on to tell police that he was in the passenger seat
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and again this is all because the the two boys were witnesses to this Christopher Jones's murder
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where anwan says I was in the passenger seat Maurice one of the young boys was driving and Bryce Rhodes and Larry the
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other murder victim were in the back seat of this car when this shooting went down Bryce Rhodes the one doing the
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shooting so I do I did find a summary of what anwan told the police this was in The Courier Journal and it
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reads after a brief scuffle at his home on May 22nd Bryce Rhodes tied up teenage
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brothers Larry Ordway and Maurice Gordon put orderway in a bathroom and then made
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Gordon get on his knees and beg for forgiveness Maurice was crying and stuff and he was asking everybody to spare him
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Bryce Rhodes then according to Carter put a stocking over Gordon's head gagged him and stabbed him in the chest several
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times then Carter said he Bryce Rhodes and Jacory Taylor moved Maurice's body aside and brought
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ORD away back into the living room and Bryce started stabbing him then at that time after being threatened by
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Bryce Rhodes Carter said that he also stabbed Gordon once and Taylor stabbed Larry ordaway so we've seen this in
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other cases Captain right where you have one guy that's a particular particularly evil monster Bryce Rhodes
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comes up with this idea this plan to kill these two kids that witnessed the murder and not only is he going to force
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these other kids to help him kill these two he's going to make them actively be a part of the murders here's the knife
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it's your turn to stab them yeah this is a tough situation because even if Bryce
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leaves the room after the step the first stabbing takes place what are you going
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to do you're going to run away You're gonna run away and uh I mean that's what makes the most sense you'd think run
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away tell the police right right but in that moment you know you could freeze and and you might not be able to
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think logically about the steps that you would need to take to to have the cops get this evil bastard before he gets you
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well and that's what you do I mean Bryce Rhodes that's exactly what he did he's like you know what I'm gonna make them
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not only were they involved in the homicides but in this situation I'm going to make them actively stab one of
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the victims so now I don't have to worry about them going out and telling other people because they were actively part
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of the murders they're not going to go and seek out police and tell them about me because they know that they're just
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as guilty as I am because they took the action with the knife to stab these victims yeah so now not only are they
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afraid of you but they're afraid of the consequences even if they go to police so not only did detectives learn about
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the murders of these two boys from anwan Carter and some of the information about
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the Christopher Jones murder but they learned something that that's really interesting in the Christopher Jones
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murder and this is one of the I mean there's a lot of bad parts to this story but this is one of the worst Parts anwan
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tells the cops that the whole Christopher Jones murder was a mistake that Bryce Rhodes
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the genius that he is and please hear the sarcasm in my voice people Bryce Rhodes [ __ ] mistook Christopher
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Jones for a man that was wanted to be killed who had a price on his head right so in all of this Christopher Jones is
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just some innocent dude who happens to look like somebody that Bryce Rhodes thought he was going to get paid to kill
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yeah and I don't want anybody get to to get confused here and think that oh Bryce Rhodes is some kind of Hitman that
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that some gang or whomever desired to hire to pay to kill somebody it's not even that level of
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sophistication from my understanding it's simply a gang put a price on some dude's head and anybody that wanted to
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kill that guy could collect well Bryce Rhodes decides he's going to be that guy but he's too damn dumb to do it and
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accidentally kills the wrong dude in the process probably still try to collect the money hey well I I still
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kill I killed a dude that looked like the dude close enough should I get paid something so the other thing too that
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and this is an interesting part to the story I don't know how much of this I believe here Captain but anwan also told
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police that Bryce Rhodes had told him that he had killed multiple other people not just the three victims we've already
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discussed oh I believe it he says that Bryce Rhodes talked about killing about five people but I couldn't find anywhere
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where names were given to these other potential victims it could be a situation where anwan does not know any
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names that it was it could be real or it could be what I suspect is just another
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thing that Bryce Rhodes probably lied about to the people that he knew best to to
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create an image of himself that is just not not true right or a scare tactic like yeah man I've killed more people
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than this you think I'm afraid to kill you and then through all of this police ended up rounding up another individual
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this is a 19 year old Tyran Coleman who was charged with two counts of murder two counts of abuse of a corpse and one
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count of tampering with physical evidence in relation to the three murders that we've already discussed
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so obviously it didn't take investigators long to bring formal charges against Bryce Rhodes after he
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was named by the victim's mother and then the confession by anwan Carter when he told police exactly what happened
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they ended up searching the apartment that Bryce Rhodes shared with his mother detectives noted immediately that the
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apartment had been thoroughly cleaned with bleach but they were still able to detect blood
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evidence inside the apartment they also impounded and searched his vehicle which
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revealed plenty of evidence as well Bryce Rhodes was charged with two counts of murder and evidence tampering this
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case would be a lot more difficult if it was just he said he said right right but it's not I mean
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we have one we have a bunch of eyewitnesses so we have multiple people pointing the finger at Bryce but on top
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of that we actually have evidence we have evidence that backs up these eyewitnesses stories and especially the
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younger ones that you you would think and I'm glad that they came forward and did the right thing because I don't
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think they were put in the best situation I don't think they put themselves in the best situation but
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they still have a a possibility of turning things around and making something right with their
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life after this horrible incident I agree but to say they came forward gives them far too much credit this is they
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they were tracked down and enforced it yeah yeah uh I agree backed into a corner and then started singing now
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what's interesting here though Captain is we are currently sitting in a situation look we're we're recording
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this in May probably won't come out until June we're actually recording this almost five years to the day that these
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two young men were murdered and a trial has been set for Bryce Rhodes for the month of May of this year
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2021 and you go holy crap that's five years later and this is a pretty quick investigation to lead to an arrest yeah
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well Bryce Rhodes has made all kinds of problems of the Court proceedings and trying to convict him of three murders
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now in the years since then since the arrest there's been plenty of court dates and Court hearings so we have a
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great idea as we sit here today and discuss the case captain of what police believe happened and the evidence that
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they have to back it up because this thing's been in trial for quite some time now they did take off about a year
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during the whole covet thing but it shouldn't be long for this guy to to get a conviction I hope and let's go
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through some of the stuff that we learned throughout the court proceedings so this is all based off of testimony
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that came from the Louisville Metro Police Department their testimony during the court proceedings with these four
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individuals that they're going to charge because we have Bryce Rhodes and we have
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his three accomplices so they state that Bryce Rhodes Carter and Taylor were the last three to see
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Maurice and Larry alive the mother was able to tell the cops that her boys left with those three on that night on the
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night that they were killed somehow Maurice and Larry were lured out of their homes and according to the
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witnesses Bryce Rhodes had already at this point decided that he was going to kill the two boys to cover up killing
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Christopher Jones Rhodes took the boys to his apartment that he shared with his mother
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he and the accomplices stabbed the brothers to death before putting their bodies into a vehicle and driving them
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to an abandoned house in the West End the boys were dumped in a backyard and whomever tried to set the bodies on fire
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to you know to further hide the bodies or at least maybe by the evidence you hide the
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evidence and make sure that they couldn't be identified possibly a witness saw someone trying to start a
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fire so we have an additional witness here but it was too dark for the witness to be able to ID the person who was
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trying to start the fire investigators found blood and physical evidence inside of Bryce Road's
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apartment and vehicle and eyewitness saw someone resembling Bryce Rhodes he's look him up he's on YouTube he's all
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over the Internet and he's one ugly dude a shitty looking yeah you you would he's
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you could pick him out of a lineup he doesn't look you know he's he's a unique ugly guy let's say so this eyewitness
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saw someone resembling Bryce Rhodes according to their testimony standing at a dumpster engulfed in flames on May
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22nd a witness reported a license plate that matched Bryce Rhodes vehicle near the dumpster inside this dumpster where
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the burned remains of blood and trace evidence shoes and clothing these items had been submitted for testing but were
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believed to be clothing and other items that belong to Maurice and Larry are victims one of the things found was a
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piece of a blanket this is a very big piece of evidence because we can say with this eyewitness's testimony and
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another witness giving the license plate of Bryce Rhodes okay Rhodes if you weren't connected to this murder what
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were you doing at that dumpster where we found all this evidence the key thing here is this piece of blanket because
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this piece of blanket matched the same blanket that was found with the boy's bodies whoever put them in that
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blanket tried to burn them at that abandoned lot a piece of that blanket made its way to the dumpster where other
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evidence was burned and and discarded of the Rhodes car was found to be missing its back seat a similar back seat that
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one would expect to find in his vehicle was found at the site of the dumpster fire so obviously there's blood evidence
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on this back seat he wants to get rid of it he rips it out sets it on fire puts it in the dumpster look this guy can't
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do anything right I mean he can't no he's not a sophisticated criminal I mean no he can't he kills the wrong guy when
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he's trying to do a hit job then he kills these two brothers and he then he tries to discard of them and any
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evidence and he can't do that correctly either I mean he can't rap correctly I mean I I don't his tattoos look like
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[ __ ] I mean it looks like literally his tattoos like especially when his shirt's
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off it looks like he had uh children just draw all over him it's really bad tattoos throughout this we're going to
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go into some more of Bryce's actions since he's been arrested and and brought to trial
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but and we'll play some clips throughout this but here's what Bryce Rhodes has been up to and I think pay attention
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residents of the great state of Kentucky because this has been at your expense that's right this all on the taxpayers
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in Kentucky on your dime in June of 2016 Bryce Rhodes court appointed attorney Brandon MacLeod told Rhodes he would
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have to withdraw from representing him as he was friends with the victim's grandfather and it would present a
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conflict of interest okay this is normal stuff this is stuff that we have seen before
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so the attorney tells the judge that when he tells this to Bryce Rhodes Bryce Rose decides to spit on him they
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put him in like a Hannibal Lecter mask which that became very popular I I know that I've seen that picture of Bryce and
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the Hannibal Lecter mask many times and and didn't know much about the case yeah
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so Bryce Rhodes is spitting on his own attorney who's saying hey I have to withdraw because there's a conflict of
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interest and good for the attorney because if let's say this is this again Bryce is
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too dumb to realize this let's say that this attorney would have got you know presented a case to where Bryce
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was found innocent well then later they would be able to go wait a second there was a problem with the trial right
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we could charge this dude with something else or charge him with the same charges
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and try him again because of the the issue with the trial listen to this not only does he spit on this guy when he
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says hey I'm gonna have to back out but he says to the attorney you're a coward and I will see you when I get out
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yeah now the attorney could sounds like Kentucky law file assault charges against Bryce
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Rhodes but he being the bigger man being the bigger person decided that he did not want to do that but I think offense
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I think the bigger person should file charges because just keep stacking charges against this pile of [ __ ]
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because you never want to see this guy see the light of day then in August 31st of the same year Bryce Rhodes attacked
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the fellow inmate threatening to kill him and the words that were heard by all was Bryce wrote saying kill him like he
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did the others then in September of the same year Rhodes spit on another inmate so he's
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not even making friends inside the uh the jail there and then you pointed out of course he was supposed to wear or
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made to wear the spit mask and was brought into court at one of the proceedings in a restraint chair yeah
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now it doesn't he have a another charge against him for threatening a judge yes okay so he threatened a a judge and this
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is I have his exact words here he says to the judge what you don't think that we can't find out where you live at I
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don't give a bleep you got family I'll be out so threatening the judge and threatening
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the judge's family yeah and I just have to bring it up because his his beard drives me insane it's almost
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like he shaved off all his pubic hair and glued it to his face I mean it's one of the I mean the guy can't even grow a
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beard correctly I mean he's he's pathetic and the the judge he was threatening was a female
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judge and if you get a chance to watch that clip it's pretty hilarious because she just basically steamrolls
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him and goes get out of my Court gives him the what four and straightens them out real quick no she just he started
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talking and threatening and she's like okay you're done here we're not going to give you any more of any more time to
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just sit there and and and talk nonsense and and what sucks about this whole case
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is because this guy is so arrogant this guy is so ignorant that it's five years I mean you have a
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right to a speedy trial well what about the victims families they have a right to a speedy trial as
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well right and this son of a [ __ ] just keeps delaying then he's delaying then the inevitable and as much as he's going
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to say well I'm going to get out I'm going to get out you just walked it's like you ain't going nowhere
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and he's Ann I think he got beat up one time in prison so I hope he just surprised he hasn't got beat up more
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because he's threatening other inmates spitting on other inmates I also have a situation here where Bryce Rhodes got in
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trouble for throwing urine on a corrections officer and then in January of 2017 Bryce Rhodes tried to
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escape from the county jail by digging his way out but the Corrections Officers noticed a fresh hole under some cinder
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blocks in his cell he's also been going to well in his his fat ass is gonna have to dig a pretty
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big hole well at some point too Captain he's also threatening the people that may testify
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against him okay he was caught sending notes to Jacory Taylor in 2017 while they're both at Metro Corrections
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and on there he's saying rats get exposed show me that you're my blank and you're
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not a rat it will then so he he's threatening this guy yeah do the right thing buddy and don't rat me out and you
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won't get hurt you won't get killed rats get exposed so what we're seeing here Captain is this dude is a problem even
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Behind Bars he's a freaking problem Yeah Anna again I'll repeat a problem for the
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victims families in March of 2019 there were more charges thrown at Bryce roads for terroristic threatening and wanting
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endangerment this is because Bryce Rhodes told a corrections officer that he was going to shank him in the face
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and that he and his family would die and it goes on and on and on and we again we
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do have some clips that we can play so you can hear it for yourself but the if you want to really get this down to its
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core and what the big problem has been is we got Bryce Rhodes who's trying to manipulate the system he's trying to
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play the system and he's saying things like well we we need a change of venue and then he's firing attorney after
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firing attorney spit on one of his own attorneys he's threatening judges during the court proceedings he's blowing
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kisses at the victim's family in the courtroom he's doing everything he can to delay
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the actual murder trial against him why well he's an [ __ ] number one but two I
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believe it's largely in part because they are charging him they want to give this guy the death penalty
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and in Kentucky they don't take too long to kill those who get sentenced to death
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there was a they're just taking a long time they just can't get through the trial they can't get to the actual trial
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because he keeps manipulating the system he's playing the system yeah well right
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before this beer break let's let's take a listen to one of these clips from Bryce Rhodes acting out and in the
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courtroom your job is to do your job not to worry about me that's what I'm saying well I
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worry about me you worry about yourself that's Bryce Rhodes talking to judge Charles Cunningham Rhodes is accused of
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shooting Christopher Jones then stabbing to death two witnesses fourteen-year-old
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Larry Ordway and 16 year old Maurice Gordon Rhodes has already been through two attorneys and is now asking for his
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third one to be removed I'll just ask you why do you keep refusing to get this man off my case when we keep having
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problems you have something personal against me to where you don't want to move him no sir I have something
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personal against not providing you effective assistance of counsel judge Cunningham says he has already called
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the state public defender's office they have struggled to find someone who could represent you and that
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basically Mr Griffis is what they've got Rhodes once had to wear a face mask because he spit on an attorney I'll
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write the bar Associated ACLU you know I write them you know I see what's going on you know fair enough
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let's get us a date to come back no I'm not gonna find out though we're gonna find out real quick
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I promise that the exchange angered the grandmother of Ordway and Gordon who were brothers this is going on for four
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years and and nothing's been done she later apologized the judges he he like he said he won't everything dotted he
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wants to do it the right everything's done the right way regardless of what Mr Bryce Rose is saying in there but she
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remains frustrated he's just playing the system he's playing them [Music] thank you
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laughs [Music] and it's my right to speak what I need to speak on you know I don't know if I've got some type of
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sexual relationship going on or what y'all got going on but I'm definitely going to speak my mind I have no sexual
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relationship not talking about you in a prosecute over us sir are you some type of racist are you are
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you I've got some type of sex relationship going on which one is it or are you just wrong
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are you a secret Clan member no sir is that what you really are no okay but like I said the higher reports
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they'll deal with it price roads may be one of the most annoying criminals that we've ever had murderers
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that we've ever had on this show oh you guys have some kind of sexual relation huh like his little huh and his little
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laugh after everything he says are you a secret Ku Klux Klan member because it's ridiculous well and people
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out there in listener land if you get some time if you're pretending to work and the boss isn't looking look up some
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pictures of the courtroom proceedings regarding Bryce Rhodes and just look at the look on the face of the man
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and the other public defenders who have been forced to work with this guy over the years
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the the look on their face is always like you're kidding me I got assigned to defend this guy right this is my life
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this is this is the job that they gave me yeah they're well in the One Clip when he blows kisses to the victim's
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mother or family member she calls out Court obviously says ma'am you can't do that well you see his attorney lean over
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and say something to him and then he starts brushing his shoulder like whatever you gonna say to me it doesn't
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matter to me again at some point we need to come up with some new laws if this guy is going to be such erratic
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idiot you don't have the right to a lawyer as a what they should say he wants to fire all his lawyers okay
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good luck with that and every time there's an outburst in court and every time that he's delaying it there should
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be a charge another charge my issue with Kentucky going after the death penalty we obviously can tell from the
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last five years that this idiot cannot even stand a regular trial and if you go after the death penalty
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you're going to give this guy so many more opportunities to present his case in appeals and he's
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going to waste so much of the systems time effort money I don't know if I would go after the
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death penalty here because I wouldn't want to give this guy more opportunities to waste more money and more time
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when we know if we get him on three murder charges he's spending the rest of his life in
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jail I wouldn't be surprised in the next 10 years if we go that guy was beat to death in prison yeah I can certainly see
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with what you're saying and agree with most of it I just don't want to find ourselves in a situation where we're
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going okay the consequences are less severe because the guy's a jerk we we already know that the guy's a jerk
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that's he's on trial for for multiple uh murders here and I'm sure anyone can understand this next piece that we have
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here because giving in to the impulses and hearing about this POS Bryce Rhodes and his
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courtroom Behavior at the pre-trial hearing Marie Wren now I do want to point out that in different articles the
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boy's mother has a different name from time to time sometimes it's Elizabeth sometimes it's Marie I had to pick one
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that's what I went with but the mother of the two murder victims she lost it she finally lost it she lunged at Bryce
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Rhodes and she had to be forcibly dragged from the courtroom and she's yelling lock me
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up lock me up why don't you let me at him he's sick and afterwards you know she once she had a chance to calm down
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she told the news reporter she said I I flipped out I'm sorry I couldn't take it
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anymore he's a demon this guy kills kids and she says you know you go to church and you try to pray and you try to
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forgive but the anger builds up and then this guy's in there behaving like a jerk and
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this guy doesn't deserve any forgiveness and on top of that what we've seen in five years is he can't handle himself at
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the trial and and yes you're saying well the consequence would be a little less I
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don't think so because I think being Beat to Death in jail would be way worse than being put to death by the state
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that's why I would bet so much money on this because what is he doing he's spitting on guards he's throwing urine
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on guards they're partly there to make sure you don't get out to harm Society that's part of the reason they're there
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the other reason they're there is to protect you against the other in inmates so look if I'm a prison guard and you're
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throwing urine at me and you're spitting at me and calling me names and stuff at
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some point when are one of those guards going to look the other way one of those
00:34:03
guards are going to be told by another inmate hey we want to get to them and they're gonna let them get to him
00:34:11
to teach him a lesson well and I don't know the circumstances of of some of the information that I'm about to throw out
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here but one thing that that I when I watch this guy when I get build up with anger I have to remind myself that the
00:34:27
most recent person executed by the state of Kentucky Marco Chapman was executed in November of 2008 for murders that he
00:34:35
committed in August of 2002. so six years in a couple months and they killed the guy I again I don't know the
00:34:44
circumstances or the everything that went on with his court proceedings and things like that but it didn't take very
00:34:51
long some of these states it's 20 25 30 years meanwhile while this dude is acting up
00:34:57
and being a jerk in the courtroom what about the other three arrested with Bryce Rhodes and charged with Bryce
00:35:05
Rhodes the co-conspirators right well they all ended up pleading guilty and took some deals and will go through that
00:35:13
a little bit here so first we had anwan Carter who entered a guilty plea in November of 2016.
00:35:20
for the murders of Larry Maurice and Christopher Jones and remember he's underage at the time
00:35:27
Captain so he was going to serve time in a juvenile facility until he turned 18 and then he would be the case would be
00:35:36
re-evaluated and what they ended up doing with him we got an update on him just a few days ago after he turned 18
00:35:43
his defense comes out and says all right well he served his time as an inmate at
00:35:48
the Kentucky Department of Juvenile Justice facilities we want to get probation form well the judge wasn't
00:35:54
having any of that and so now he's been moved to an adult facility to serve out the rest of his time
00:36:02
a Tyron Coleman pled guilty to charges of facilitation of murder for the deaths of Maurice and Larry as well as
00:36:10
tampering with evidence in two counts of abuse of a corpse It is believed that this latter charge relates to him
00:36:17
Coleman helping move the two boys bodies to the backyard in that neighborhood where they were found
00:36:24
right into into the abandoned lot yeah yeah so he pled guilty he was not required to testify against any of the
00:36:32
other co-defendants as part of his plea agreement but he is getting 10 years in prison and then 15 years of supervised
00:36:41
probation afterward to Corey Taylor he also pled guilty this to three counts of facilitation of murder and tampering
00:36:51
with evidence he accepted the prosecution's offer for either 10 years in prison or 20 years of probation with
00:36:58
the decision to be left up to the sentencing judge this will be judge Cunningham
00:37:03
at the sentencing hearing in March of 2018 Taylor's defense attorney tried to argue for leniency for jakori because he
00:37:11
was only 17 at the time and pointing out that Bryce Rhodes knew that you know this kid's 17 he doesn't
00:37:20
have a father and then Bryce Rhodes preyed upon other teenagers and jacori's vulnerabilities specifically now whether
00:37:28
or not this is true this didn't sway the judge in any way because he ended up giving to Corey Taylor 10 years behind
00:37:36
bars but like we said before or like you said um because I kind of misspoke the deals probably would have been
00:37:45
different if they didn't have to come get you if any of these individuals would have came forward before the cops
00:37:53
were rounding them up maybe there had been the outcome would have been a little different for one of
00:37:59
the miners yeah and I think that's the the Court's decision reflects that right the Court's decision is we are what's
00:38:07
been recommended to us to your your consequence your penalty your punishment what's been recommended to us that's
00:38:14
what we're doing because you didn't come forward right you didn't you weren't the
00:38:18
break in the case we had to come and get you we had to investigate we had to find
00:38:23
out who did this and it was only when you once you were backed into a corner that you decided to talk and tell us
00:38:29
some of the information that we needed to know and mind you only one of them was the first one to do so it's not like
00:38:35
they all started singing at the same time right it was one of them and then they're like okay well we got this
00:38:40
information now the others start to open up and then plead guilty Marie Wren said
00:38:46
that Jacory Taylor had lived with her and her family for a while and so she thinks that he was probably
00:38:54
instrumental in the ruse of picking these boys up and getting them to go out and hang out with
00:39:00
Bryce Rhodes a man who by that time they were frightened of they were afraid of you also hear in one of the clips of
00:39:07
Bryce Rhodes being interrogated saying that he he dated the boy's mother at one point I don't I don't know if there's
00:39:14
actually any evidence to back up that claim yeah I don't know the only claim of that or any
00:39:23
piece that I've seen of that is him stating that in that one clip he doesn't strike me as the most
00:39:30
truthful guy in the world so I'm I'm choosing not to believe Mr Bryce Rhodes there but you have a 14 and a 16 year
00:39:38
old let's go back to that one know where your kids are know who they're hanging out with
00:39:44
and these pictures whether or not those guns are real or fake by taking those pictures and
00:39:53
with your kids you're basically given a stamp of approval that this is okay and that
00:40:01
leads these young kids to hang out with this monster and look maybe I'm maybe I'm crazy but
00:40:09
25 year olds never coming to pick up my 14 year old 25 year olds never coming to
00:40:15
pick up my 16 year old if I if if it's not a family member I don't want I wouldn't want my
00:40:23
teenagers around that they don't need to be hanging out with somebody of that that age unless it was some kind of
00:40:30
Mentor or some kind of coach or some kind of positive influence in their life but not just some random well not only
00:40:39
that Bryce Rhodes is a bad guy and it's not a situation where all of a sudden the world got clued in that Bryce Rhodes
00:40:46
was a bad guy once he was arrested no this guy was a bad guy for a long period of time and everybody around him knew he
00:40:53
was a bad guy and Mom knew that her boys were hanging out with this grown man who
00:41:01
is a terrible human being so and if if people want to email and call me names and say that I'm a victim
00:41:09
blaming that's fine you can call it whatever you want to call it I see a situation where these kids were not
00:41:16
getting the they were not being raised properly and they were not getting a support system that they that they
00:41:23
should have got it regardless of if these guns are real or not like you said captain and like I'm about to say now it
00:41:30
just it's it's not it's no good right it's it's it's a bad situation but on top of that your teenage kids 14 year
00:41:39
old that's that's the main thing your 14 year old doesn't come home on Saturday and then you're you're told about what
00:41:47
happened to him on Tuesday where's the call to police where's it called the police say where where are my kids at
00:41:54
yeah and this and this is who they left with and I know they got that information on Tuesday but they could
00:41:59
have got that information Sunday morning or Saturday night again 14 year old 16 year old doesn't come home
00:42:07
Saturday night I'm putting a call in but again I make no bones about this hard raising
00:42:16
kids especially if you're a single parent and the blame doesn't just go there the blame has to go on to these these
00:42:25
two kids fathers that obviously weren't in the picture enough to be protecting and helping to raise these
00:42:35
young men well yeah and I I want to be clear here I'm not blaming I'm not blaming the outcome on Marie or these
00:42:43
negligent fathers these not you know the no no no no the the the blame is price roads and these these jerks that that
00:42:51
helped him do what they were doing and it's it it's a it's an all-around bad situation and I also want to be clear on
00:42:59
something too if you think that we're piling it on on Marie or Elizabeth whatever name it is that we should be
00:43:05
calling her I apologize but if you go on to other websites and and other social media Outlets this is very tame compared
00:43:16
to what people have come at her with and they've come at her hard with with shots
00:43:23
fired and really I I sit here and when we went into this case Captain I went into this case and I was very angry and
00:43:30
upset with her as well and in the beginning and now as I sit in this chair and we report on this case to you I sit
00:43:38
here today wanting to seek out this woman and hug her and and apologize to her for for what has happened to her
00:43:46
children and I just I want to embrace her and I know that this is ruined her life regardless of if I agree with what
00:43:55
was going on before or not she didn't deserve any of this her family didn't deserve any of this and I
00:44:01
hope that they they they bring the hammer when they come after Bryce Rhodes and give him the the worst possible
00:44:07
punishment that they they possibly can and I know I'm going to use some of her own words here you know she told one of
00:44:16
the judges at one of these plea deals with one of these co-conspirators she says look it's not fair I'm losing two
00:44:23
children at the same time 10 years is not enough for this guy whether he talked or not you know and she says the
00:44:30
justice system needs to be changed not just for my kids but for everyone and she has been out there and and
00:44:38
saying you know I believe that all of them should be getting life without the possibility of parole these are these
00:44:44
are persons that were involved in and not just involved I I think that that that really is dumbing it down they
00:44:53
actively helped to kill three people I agree but I think part of our show is to highlight a case and some missteps and
00:45:03
if you're a parent and you're 14 and 16 year old doesn't show up when they went out on a Saturday night
00:45:10
called police immediately tell police immediately who they went with if your kids are pretending to be gangsters or
00:45:20
pretending to be a part of negative things in society don't put your stamp of approval on it
00:45:29
tell them that that is wrong if your kids are hanging out with people 10 years older than they are maybe put it
00:45:36
into that unless it's like I said a coach or a mentor or somebody that that you believe is a positive influence if
00:45:42
you think this guy's a pile of [ __ ] don't let your kids go hang out with them and that's all I'm saying is is I
00:45:48
think it's okay to point out some missteps here there's really nothing more not a lot more that can be said
00:45:54
about Bryce Rhodes and the blight that he has put on society in the courts so I'll let the boy's grandmother speak for
00:46:03
me during a hearing the grandmother had an outburst at the courtroom as Bryce Rhodes was being led away after yet
00:46:12
another one of his delays and she says this is going on four years she shouted at the judge I'm their grandmother and
00:46:21
this is going on for four years the judge this is Judge Cunningham took the time to talk to the grandmother and
00:46:29
explain that he is being especially careful to follow protocols and protect Bryce Rhodes rights
00:46:37
so the case can withstand being thrown out on appeal it is after all a death penalty case the grandmother apologized
00:46:46
after the meeting with the judge the prosecutor and the victim's advocate saying the judge like he said he wants
00:46:53
everything dotted he wants everything done the right way regardless of what Mr Bryce Rhodes is saying in there but
00:46:59
their grandmother voice continued frustration at the process and what she sees as rewarding roads schemes to delay
00:47:08
and cause problems and said quote my grandchildren didn't have a chance everything he's saying in there thinking
00:47:16
he's so smart this has got to stop he's just playing the system he's just playing them
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