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[Music] crime [Music] yesterday we discussed the unsolved homicides of three what were described
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as vulnerable female victims we also discussed a couple of suspects in one or two of those cases today we we start off
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by talking about an additional suspect here and oddly enough this is a man who name we have mentioned before but we've
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not gone into great detail about this is Michael balagna I could go for a nice fried bogna sandwich 35-year-old
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treasure hunter described by his friends as a generous Mr Lonely Hearts is a common denominator in the Florida Keys
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Murder Mystery according to police investigators from the Monroe County Sheriff's Office said that they have
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questioned Michael balagna because he might know something about two of the unsolved homicides but they said that
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there was no physical evidence linking him to either of the two murders that they question him about according to
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detectives this is where Michael bagna becomes very interesting to them for two of these unsolved
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homicides one he escorted the mother of Patty Lanza the four-year-old victim to that party on that fateful night on
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little Torch Key back in July of 1988 then the tall dark-eyed Michael bagna also dated the third victim Sher perisho
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aged 39 right in fact it has been determined that she stayed with him for several weeks before she decided to be
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homeless she stayed with him for about 3 weeks and this is very weird right we have this situation where this guy has
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very close ties to two of the victims we should remind everybody out there that there was another individual that was at
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two of the parties that two of the victims attended shortly before they were killed and that was a different
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individual and the police have said look yes that guy was at both of those parties but a lot of the same people
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were at both of those parties well I sound like a broken record we have three victims and a short time period murdered
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and in a small distance and these aren't large communities well that broken record must be a Kenny G album because
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you are one smooth son of a [ __ ] and I got the hair to match the thing that I think we need to really
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point out here is that while police were talking to him listen to their statement
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their statement is we are talking to him because he may know something that's much different than being a suspect mhm
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them saying he may know something well duh he might he he seemed to have a close relationship at least at one time
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with our third victim Sher pisho that's what my teachers used to say about me he
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may know something we know that his fact that he went with Patty Lanza's mother Deborah Lanza to that party the night
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that Patty Lanza was killed but he wasn't the only only one that went to that party with her according to Deborah
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Lanza the victim's mother we have her four children and we also have Michael bagna who brought two kids of his own to
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the party with them and then police go on to say look we've not ruled out this Michael guy is he a suspect they're the
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media is pushing the police to tell them if he is in fact a suspect or not but what they're saying is they won't rule
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him out to the media they will not say that he's not a suspect but what they do say is the night that Patty was killed
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Michael balagna brought uh Lanza to the party with her four kids his son was there as well with him they go on to say
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that after the girl went missing he's still at the party the mother Deborah Lanza says while she couldn't find her
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daughter at some point she never this Michael bagna was never out of her sight right so he's not a suspect in the
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mother's eyes the police go on to say he helped he assisted in the search after the
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party and he was cooperative with police from Jump Street so I think that this is
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one of those situations Captain where some might call him a suspect but he only appears to be a suspect as far as
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the media is concerned not as far as law enforcement or the family of one of the
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victims and it must feel absolutely horrific to have people in the community or or the media insinuating that you
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might be responsible for the death of a four-year-old I mean that's just that'd be a very tough situation to be involved
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in those murders took place in 1988 and 1989 in the keys now we have to fast forward to many years later to 2004 and
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we're going to talk about hurricane Ivan some of you may remember Hurricane Ivan
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this was a big and powerful storm and like with many of these hurricanes in parts of Florida parts of the Gulf Coast
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residents are warned and told in a lot of times to evacuate well in September of 2004 they
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had an evacuation as well going on for Hurricane Ivan and two individuals this is char Brandt and his longtime wife
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Terry Brandt they evacuated their home and they went to go stay with their niece this is Michelle Lynn Jones she
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lived up in Orlando so this was going to be a safe space away from the hurricane
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go up and visit and from my understanding Captain Terry Brandt the aunt was very close to Michelle Lyn
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Jones her niece and some reports state that Charlie Brandt was close to his niece as well throughout this visit they
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go to stay there for several nights and throughout this visit we have Michelle Lynn Jones that while she has her house
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guest she is going to continue with her daily routines and part of that is keeping in
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contact with her mother the BRS would stay there for 2 weeks before anybody realized that there's anything wrong
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that's right the brands arrived there sometime around September 2nd and it isn't until approximately two weeks
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later on the 13th 14th 15th that some people start to get concerned right Michelle LY Jones and Her Mother they're
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close they shared several of the same friends and one of their mutual friends stops by the house on September 13th and
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was supposed to visit with Jones Jones says you know I don't want you to come in my aunt and uncle are staying here
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they' been drinking and they got into some kind of argument so it's a little uncomfortable it's a little awkward here
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right now um maybe you should come back on another date and we should be clear here too it's not obvious and it
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shouldn't be that there was any predetermination on how long the brands would be staying there I think a lot of
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that would be determined based off of Hurricane Ivan itself the storm and the damages that could come with that storm
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but by this point they've been there for well over a week close to two weeks and
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and it's on September 15th that another friend of Michelle Lyn Jones this is Debbie Knight she goes to the home and
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she is suspicious of the House of what she's seeing of the feelings that she's getting as she pulls up to the
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house during this time the two days that have passed since the previous friend coming over and
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being turned away by michelley and Jones Jones's mother was having a difficult time getting in touch with her so now we
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have Debbie Knight another mutual friend who's at the house and she's on the phone
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with Michelle Lyn Jones's mother she tells the mother that the front door is unlocked you know she's knocked she's
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rang the doorbell mom's tried calling her daughter no response shows up the door is unlocked and Mom says to the
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friend go into the house try to get see if you can get into the house well Debbie Knight says that she was so
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feeling so uneasy about the situation she was just getting such bad vibes in this dark horrible feeling she was a
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little scared so she decided to go next door and grab a neighbor The Neighbor comes back with her and together the two
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of them enter the home and they walk into a House of [ __ ] if I'm correct I believe that the
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front door was unlocked but because of this uneasy feeling they didn't want to enter through the front door so they
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were attempting to get into the house and they decided that they were going to go through the garage well when they
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entered the garage they found Charlie Brandt hanging from the rafters with bed sheets immediately
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these two contact the police and the police arrive on the scene very quickly who they enter the house and then they
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the house of hores just keeps getting worse and worse first they find this man hanging from the rafters in the
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garage and then once they go into the home they find Terry Brandt had been stabbed multiple times in the chest area
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she's lying on the couch dead and then they go into the bedroom where they find the homeowner the niece Michelle Lynn
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Jones she had been decapitated and her heart and organs had been removed and someone had placed the head next to her
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body and in some reports state that it was placed on the nightstand positioned almost as it was looking at the body
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itself yeah some people actually believe that somebody combed her hair without going into too much of the hor details
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here they're easily found online if anybody wants to look them up but it would be 15 20 minutes of going through
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detail after detail of disgusting mutilation that took place in this case the police are able to deduce a few
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things one that the weapons used to murder Terry Brandt and Michelle LY Jones were knives that came from the
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kitchen and they're able to piece together a series of events that goes like this
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based off of physical evidence found at the scene they believed that Charlie Brandt stabbed his wife to death as she
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sat on the couch and afterward he then went into another room where he attacked Michelle Lynn Jones his niece and then
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after killing her mutilated the body after this he decides to clean himself up a bit takes a shower changes his
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clothes and then at some point takes these bed sheets and hangs himself from the
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rafters where later all three bodies are found following this discovery police want to know why would this
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happen and two who exactly is the this Charlie Brandt what they discover is that the
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brands were living on Big Pine Key and had been there for many years and had been married for a very long time so who
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is this Charlie Brandt Charlie Brandt was born Eric Carl Brandt born February 23rd
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1957 in 1986 he married his then girlfriend Teresa who went by the name Terry the
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odd thing though here Captain is no relatives were invited to their wedding well we have relatives and friends from
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Teresa from Terry's side that attend the wedding we don't have anybody from Charlie's Family side attending the
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wedding later his sister Angela and her husband Jim Graves stayed in contact not just with
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Charlie and his new wife Terry but also were friends with Terry and uh char Char
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well Charlie seemed like a normal guy he was a good-look guy he was a radar technician but obviously after this
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crime and finding what they found in that house especially the mutilation that was done to this poor victim is
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yeah the niece the niece they're now wondering what who is this guy exactly and does he have any other victims well
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sadly he does he has previous victims and he has some skeletons in his closet and the thing here Captain there's a lot
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of debate here because Charlie Brandt Eric Carl Brandt goes by Charlie but he had actually killed his
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mother when he was a boy he grew up in Indiana in 1971 a young Charlie Brandt then only 13
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years years old was accused of killing his mother and attempting to kill his father
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and his sister Charlie Brandt is accused of killing his mother who was 38 at the
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time and Pregnant and wounding his father he shot both of them his father's name is Herbert Brandt and this took
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place in January of 1971 he's arrested there's no mystery as to what happened here because the father
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survived and and the sister survived and the sister later said that it was very strange
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because she had no idea that that Charlie would do this it was he was even capable of doing something like this the
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father who survives has no answers as to why his son would have killed his wife and then attempted to
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kill him and his sister states that Charlie almost appeared to be in a trans-like
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state and before he could kill her or attack her he seemed to kind of come too and he had some general
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understanding as far as the sister was concerned that he had done something wrong but she says that he wasn't fully
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aware of what exactly that he had done and given the laws and the situation at the time in the state of
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Indiana even though he had killed someone his own mother it was looking like a young Charlie
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Brandt would not be facing a long or lengthy prison Center yeah which is pretty nuts because he
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killed his mom which was pregnant tried to kill the dad and then also tried to kill his sister how many more people did
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he have to try to kill so in Fort Wayne Indiana in 1971 they decided to take this to a grand jury the grand jury
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ultimately decides that a lot of this is based B off of testimony from psychiatrists at the time that Charlie
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Brandt suffered a serious psychotic disorder which produced the criminal act and the report said that the jurors
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believed that Charlie Brandt was mentally incapable of standing trial and they recommended that he be committed to
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hospitalization well the problem here captain and this is from the experts that say
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he's a turd yes he committed this horrible act yes the jury decided that he should be
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hospitalized however when we sit down and try to evaluate a young Charlie Brandt we can't come up with any type of
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known diagnosis that he fits into there's no category that he fits into we think
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there's something wrong with him we just don't have a term for it Charlie himself
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never really offers up any explanation as to what had happened or why he would do such a horrible thing yeah what was
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the motivation to kill his mom which was pregnant with his soon Tobe sibling so he was remanded to the custody of the
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County Juvenile Court and we have again the mother that was shot to death the father who was wounded in fact in the
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beginning the report coming out was that the father was in poor condition and and
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may not make when he was first uh put into the hospital we know that he does in fact survive and then we have Charlie
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Brandt who when asked what happened he says I felt the urge I just felt the urge everything seemed to snap that's
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about as much as he offers up that makes it to the public as to why he would kill
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his mother and attempt to kill his father I found this to be very strange but of course this is a very strange
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scenario all around but he is released oh God and released into his father's custody
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within just about a year and a half two years time you don't have to be a captain to know that this seems like a
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bad decision well here becomes some of the problems for our case for the case of him killing his niece and killing his
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wife it was not 100 % confirmed that his wife ever knew that he had killed his mother there's some speculation that she
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knew and in fact there were people that were still in Charlie's life at the time
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that had told him you have to tell Terry you have to tell her before you get married and if he did ever tell her it
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sounds like he may have told her after the wedding remember we said that at the wedding none of his family were present
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he likely did not want this woman to know or maybe not just his future wife to know but her family to know what he
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had done as a youth yeah these are a couple things you need to go over you know before you get married are you
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currently married to somebody else do you have any credit card debt how about student loans do you have any children
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out there oh by the way did you kill your mother did you try to kill your father did you try to kill your sister
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these are some things you should know before you get married now the friend that did set them up told Charlie that
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he needs to tell her about his previous crimes right and he is the one that pushed Charlie to tell Terry now later
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he says that he believes that that Charlie did tell Terry at some point because he has this friend has a
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conversation with Charlie's wife Terry the conversation that that he has with her is shortly after the third victim
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that we discussed here Sherry perisho was killed Sherry perisho where she lived on that little boat the dingy was
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just four short blocks from where Charlie and his wife Terry lived oh God the wife Terry tells this friend
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after the homicide that she was thinking about calling the sheriff's department department when he asks why would you
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call the sheriff's department she says well in relation to this murder the Sher perisho
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murder I think that given the circumstances of everything I should give them a call the friend says that
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later or at the time more importantly he took that to mean that she Terry knew and had been told by Charlie that he
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killed his mother and now we have this woman even all these years later 39-year-old Sher pisho who was killed
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the reports say four blocks from where they lived I wanted to make sure that I said four short blocks because I've seen
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this reported as it was possibly a th000 fet from where they lived now at the time there was an
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eyewitness in the Sher perisho murder there was a woman who was driving that night and this is the night of July 16th
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MH she says that she saw a man that she could not identify did not know the name
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of this person crossing the street US Highway 1 and the man was carrying a knife okay well at the time this is at
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night the man is crossing the street and carrying a knife not a huge deal this didn't didn't send off any red
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flags other than it was memorable to her right or other than the fact that when I
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go out for my nightly walk I don't I don't openly just carry a knife with me but he's walking toward the water this
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driver would have no way of knowing that there's a woman living in a small boat on this stretch of water mhm so she
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provides a description of this individual and in fact they had a composite sketch of the man that she saw
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that night it wasn't until all of these years later we're up to about 15 years later captain
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that now they're going wait a second this Charlie Brant guy who up near Orlando Florida kills his niece and his
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wife hangs himself lives very close to where Sherry paricio was killed and oh my goodness he resembles the composite
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all right we are back cheers mates to the windows to the walls cheers to you Colonel cheers to all of you out there
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in listener land thank you for joining us again here in the garage this week the murders that took place in 2004
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in Orlando Florida prompted the police to investigate who exactly was this Charlie Brandt and then they learn about
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his background growing up having killed his pregnant mother they want to figure out how many murders could this dude
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have been involved in there's different wounds for the different victims the mutilation to the niece's body is what I
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think perks up law enforcement to go well where was Charlie at during the time of the murders in the keys the
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crazy thing here too Captain is we talk about Charlie brand and we went through some of the mutilations done to his
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niece it appears that he had some kind of fatuation infatuation with his niece that likely was unknown to his wife and
00:31:10
to his niece at the time he had this bizarre nickname for her he called her Victoria's Secret which I think is
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incredibly creepy yeah that that that rates 100 on the crepo meter that should have been some red flags right there but
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again we are not privy to knowing exactly what his wife Terry knew about him or his past right however when we
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compare everything that we know about the murder of his niece the removing of the heart which was which was done with
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surgeon-like Precision according to the experts and then we compare that to the murder of Sher pisho who was living four
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short blocks from Charlie Brand's home the night that she was killed her heart removed with surgical like Precision he
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matches the description giv provided by the woman who was driving that night as being the man seen crossing the street
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with a knife then we get this weird information that comes out after Charlie Brandt's
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death that his wife may have suspected him all along in the murder of Sher paricio the way that the story goes and
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is told to law enforcement by people that knew the couple is that the wife Terry Brandt having been awakened to
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Charley coming home very late that night she says she goes and and confronts Charlie and he is standing at a sink
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they had a a a large sink that was in like a mud room Charlie was an avid fisherman and they had this sink in this
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setup so he could clean fish at this table MH and he would regularly go fishing I'm talking multiple times a
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week on this particular night the night that Sherry pisho was killed he comes home very late at night and Terry relays
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to somebody later that he was covered in blood and when confronted he had said that he caught a bunch of fish and he
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was cleaning the fish this is uh reminds me of dmer where they talk about his fascination with the the shine of the
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organs ultimately they end up closing out the Sherry perie showcase and they State they being law enforcement that
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Charlie Brandt was responsible for the murder of Sherry perisho and they base this off of some of the things that
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we've already stated but also the fact that the mutilation that was done to Sher perisho was very similar to what
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was done to his niece yeah but also couldn't they just pull DNA from the case and and test that yes they could um
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if but here's the problem with that is it's not like they could and decided not to right if if they had the ability if
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they had DNA in the pie showcase I'm sure they would have attempted to connect it to Charlie Brandt the problem
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with the par showcase is she was not sexually assaulted during that attack there was no evidence to suggest that
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that took place of course DNA can come from other parts of the struggle however again if they had that information I'm
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sure they would have would have tested it in such a manner I would doubt that they're just going to willy-nilly say
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Charlie Brant killed Sherry perisho without conclusively believing that in fact he
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did it's a difficult case right because in that case and you're right there Captain what they are what law
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enforcement is telling us is that the the mutilation and the cutting out the removing of the heart is such a rare
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thing to do by a perpetrator to a victim that given the proximity and given the statements that his wife made to people
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that they know and her suspicion of her husband being involved in the murder of Sher Parish show they're basing their
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case and closing their case on that homicide based off of that information which is not 100% conclusive but what
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that leads us to is prompting the police to reinvestigate 26 unsolved homicides in the State of Florida dating all the
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way back to 1973 looking for potential evidence of Charlie Brand's involvement in those
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unsolved homicides so like you're saying there are so many cases that law enforcement could look at but they're
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going to try to narrow that down based off of look there's no way to easy way to say it but there was
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extensive mutilation to the victim his his niece and so to to look at those look at that mutilation and then start
00:36:18
comparing that to other cases and and kind of narrow it down so you're not just looking willy-nilly at every single
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unsolved homicide that's exactly right and you hit the nail on the head there Captain when you compared it to dmer and
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with the shine of the organs or the shine of the muscle under the skin what they are saying what law
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enforcement is telling us is based off of the extensive mutilation done to his niece that they believe Charlie Brandt
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had a proclivity for this type of thing that that was the drive in the homicides
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committed by Charlie brand the removal of the heart the removal of organs the decapitation things of that nature the
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injuries the mutilation and such almost mirr one another in Sherry paro's case and in the homicide of his niece so they
00:37:17
are looking for cases that are going to be very similar to that now they narrowed that down to 26 cases of
00:37:26
Interest that they looked at Charlie Brandt one of them was the 1978 murder of Carol
00:37:33
Sullivan age2 she was abducted from a school bus stop in September of 1978 her skull was found in a paint can
00:37:46
she was decapitated obviously they never recovered her body so mirring her injuries and mutilation to that of
00:37:55
Charlie's niece or Sher per show was going to be impossible now I want to say this in fairness to Carol Sullivan's
00:38:03
family because her family has expressed a concern with connecting Charlie Brandt
00:38:12
to the murder of their family member they have said that at no point ever was Charlie Brandt considered to be a
00:38:20
suspect there were suspects in her case suspects that it sounds like the family like much better than Charlie
00:38:29
Brandt and she comes about to be connected to the brand case from the authors of this week's recommended
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reading and they don't definitively say that they believe Charlie Brandt killed Carol Sullivan they just say that he was
00:38:45
in the area at the time and this murder is not terribly unlike murders committed
00:38:51
by Charlie Brandt but In fairness to her family who do not believe he killed her
00:38:57
we will move on from the Carol Sullivan case the next one is that of the 1988 Lisa Sanders case that we discussed at
00:39:05
length and again it's debatable what parts of that mutilation were conducted by the killer or conducted by
00:39:15
animals that one makes it very difficult to say and in fact the removal of organs
00:39:21
in that case does not match up does not line up with the Sherry per showcase does not match up or line up with what
00:39:30
was done what Charlie did to his niece's body after she was murdered and we should go ahead and move on from the
00:39:37
Patty Lanza case because we have law enforcement that said Back in ' 88 and in 1989 we don't think this case is
00:39:47
connected to these other two we this is the one that we feel is absolutely not connected to the Sanders case or the
00:39:55
parish show case and then they say that again in 1990 in fact they say in 1990 that they have
00:40:02
definitively ruled out any connection between the lza case and the Sanders and perisho
00:40:09
case that leads us to a victim that we've not discussed yet in 1995 a sex worker named Darlene Toler aged
00:40:18
38 her body was discovered near Miami found in the gra area off of a highway her body was wrapped in blankets
00:40:30
and in plastic when discovered she was missing her head and her heart and it's simply the removal of the heart that
00:40:40
connected Charlie Brandt by law enforcement to this case law enforcement would go on to tell us
00:40:47
that Charlie Brandt used that same Highway regularly and one thing that they found that was disturbing to them
00:40:54
in their review of these unsolved homicides is the fact that the heart was removed one and
00:41:03
two Charlie kept some information that they found interesting he kept mileage records of
00:41:11
his vehicle and of his travels and on the day of Darlene toler's murder roughly the driving
00:41:19
distance between Big Pine Key where he lived in the area of Miami where toler's body was discovered
00:41:27
matches up with his records his mileage records for that day well and it's it's tough with this guy cuz he is a he is a
00:41:36
giant pile of [ __ ] but we should talk about this uh poster that's on that they
00:41:42
found in his bedroom yeah they were going through Charlie's belongings after the double homicide and then suicide
00:41:50
committed in 2004 and one item of note was this Anatomy post poster that was found in
00:41:57
the bedroom of Charlie and his wife and this is a poster that is a female body and it is the that you have
00:42:10
the muscles and organs on one side and then you have the Skeleton on the other it's a
00:42:16
very science text Booky type poster but except for that they add hair and put the lady's hair in a bun which is a
00:42:25
little strange very strange and you can find that poster if you just Google Charlie Brandt
00:42:31
poster it comes up we'll put it on our social media as well the thing here is that this one I think in anybody's
00:42:39
bedroom this would be concerning he's not a he's not a doctor you know he's not a scientist uh he's not it appears
00:42:47
that he's studying Anatomy but he doesn't really have any professional or career reason to do so well he's a
00:42:55
career murderer so he needs to study this if he wants to keep cutting victim's hearts out I would find this to
00:43:02
be a weird item to be in anyone's bedroom especially a married man but then let's compound that with the fact
00:43:08
that we know that he dissected his niece yeah and those mutilations mirror that of Sher paricio that lived 1,200 ft or
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so from his home on a night when his wife confronts him and says that he's covered in blood and came home very
00:43:30
late she even says to a friend maybe we should I should contact the sheriff's department yeah duh after this
00:43:39
homicide this is nuts when we compare this to Darlene toler's murder that took place in Miami it's not a terrible
00:43:48
stretch from Big Pine Key to uh where the body of Darlene Toler was found and in fact he has mileage records in his
00:43:57
vehicle that back up that he may have gone to that area on the day that she was murdered police go on to say after
00:44:06
finding things at his home knowing of his background of killing his mother when he's a kid the homicides that he
00:44:13
did in 2004 look they found on his computer that he was searching for snuff flicky
00:44:20
flicky flicky that he was looking for torture videos that he was searching for autopsy photos yeah this guy had clearly
00:44:32
had a fascination of the inside of a person well yeah a sexual Fascination you talk about dmer but this guy reminds
00:44:42
me a lot of Edmund keer somebody who killed his grandparents with a firearm when he's a
00:44:50
teenager goes away for a while and when he gets out he's not just shooting people he's kidnapping and mutilating
00:45:01
the bodies cutting off the heads Charlie is cutting off the heads and removing the heart of these victims and in fact
00:45:11
it was the removal of the heart that the police were focusing in on when trying to connect him to potential other
00:45:19
homicides that took place near Charlie Brandt in the time that he lived in Florida yeah I think that difference
00:45:26
though when you look at dmer or keer I mean you can make an argument in their case whether it was nature or nurture I
00:45:33
think in the Charlie brand case it's it's his nature it just seems like he this is the
00:45:40
way he was born he was messed up from the beginning and that excerpt from Edgar Allen Poe goes beyond just the
00:45:48
idea of the heart that line where PO says there was no reason for what I did I look at the
00:45:56
cases of Charlie Brandt the ones that they law enforcements say he is guilty of the murder of his mother the murder
00:46:03
of his wife his niece and the murder of Sher pisho and I can't find it one good goddamn reason why he did any of those
00:46:12
murders let alone all four of them there's no reason for what he did the only thing is the only thing that could
00:46:20
possibly explain it is that he's he's not like you and I captain he's not like the rest of us there's something
00:46:28
incredibly wrong with this guy and he was so able so easily able to hide it and keep it inside and hide it from
00:46:37
everyone when he killed his wife and his niece his friends their family they say
00:46:43
they had no idea that this would even have been possible he wasn't a violent individual as far as they knew again he
00:46:51
seemed pretty normal everybody thought he seemed pretty normal everybody thought he seemed pretty intelligent
00:46:56
where where again I think if we're going to compare people this this I think leans more towards like a Bundy where
00:47:04
maybe he doesn't have the Charisma or anything like that but I I think keer put some people off and with his
00:47:12
personality and I think so did dmer yeah and I would bet you that the people closest to Charlie Brandt may have seen
00:47:17
some sides of him that aren't so obvious to the rest of us maybe they had some things that put them off uh about char
00:47:26
mhm but Detective Pat Diaz who is just one of many detectives that were working on possible cases that
00:47:35
they could connect to Charlie Brandt he goes on to say that it doesn't to him that this is some kind of
00:47:45
disease and he and others would agree that a guy like this just doesn't stop doesn't stop
00:47:53
somewhere between the three cases between murdering his mom and then all those years later murdering his wife and
00:47:59
his niece well and this is where I there's a part of me that agrees with law enforcement that you have to look at
00:48:06
you know the the mutilation of his last victim but I think it's probably you're going to see some kind of escalation
00:48:13
that's what's going to make it a lot more difficult for them because there could have been a gradual
00:48:20
escalation to where he ended up at in the darling taller case they were trying to sign scientifically connected to
00:48:27
Charlie Brandt in fact they found dog hairs in the bed of his truck there were dog hairs or animal hairs I should say
00:48:33
that were found on the blankets that her body was wrapped up in right they sent those away for comparison for scientific
00:48:41
analysis and could not conclusively confirm that those hairs matched one another so we don't get any scientific
00:48:49
evidence to back up the idea of what law enforcement believes is Charlie Brandt having been involved in the murder of
00:48:55
Darlene taller in 1995 but the Detective Pat Diaz goes on to say I believe that this is a
00:49:07
disease this guy didn't stop in between those three cases darling Toler was found stuffed in garbage bags in South
00:49:16
Dade County it was almost like the killer delivered us a package with the body left on the side of the road for
00:49:23
everyone to find after the murder of Darlene Toller nine other sex workers turned up dead in South Florida
00:49:32
according to law enforcement those cases were very similar to Darlene taller for
00:49:37
example some were stuffed in duffel bags or suitcases and made easy to find and this here Captain is from Miami
00:49:48
news7 and they say some very profound things here and say that because Charlie Brandt was so craft at killing and
00:49:56
because Charlie Brandt killed himself the suspicions that Charlie Brandt may have killed 10 to 12 even 14 women may
00:50:05
never be confirmed however one fact will not change there were two Charlie Brands who
00:50:13
lived in the keys and the Charlie Brandt that the people didn't know was one of the sickest serial killers in South
00:50:21
Florida history [Music] want to thank you for joining us here again in the garage onward and upward
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inching our way just like LeBron James ju you know just we're going to break the record get to that a th episodes
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we're inching our way join us for the journey Colonel do we have any recommended reading for the beautiful
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listeners this week we are happy to recommend Invisible Killer the monster behind the mask by Diana montine and sha
00:51:04
Robbins Invisible Killer is the true story of the crimes committed by Charlie Brandt and some of the crimes he has
00:51:10
suspected of committing this is a very complete telling of the True Crime Story of this serial killer along with
00:51:17
insights from an FBI profiler and a forensic psychologist you can check out that recommendation and many more at
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true Crim garage.com yeah if you haven't checked out the website you should do so
00:51:31
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