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[Music] St Michael the Archangel defend us in our day of battle protect us against the
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deceit and wickedness of the devil may God reuk reuke him we humbly pray and you Prince of the Heavenly Host by the
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power of God banish into hell Satan and all of the evil spirits who roam through
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the world seeking the Rune of souls St Michael is one of the principal Angels his name was the war cry of the
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good angels as he led them in the battle fought in heaven against those led by the dragon who wasn't in fact the devil
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or Satan the devil and his followers were defeated and they were thrown down to Earth according to scripture
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Christian tradition gives to St Michael four offices to be the champion of God's
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people to fight against Satan to call away from Earth and bring men's souls to judgment and to rescue The Souls of the
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faithful from the power of the enemy ESP especially at the hour of death Tuesday March 3rd 1998 Monroe
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Wisconsin two men both priest are driving it's about 8:30 p.m. father Alfred Coons the passenger is getting a
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ride home from his longtime friend and pal father fiori a Dusty Wisconsin snow was falling fiori and Coons had a 70m
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drive ahead of them taking them all the way to the Tiny Town of DNE Wisconsin with a population of only about 700
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hardworking and God-fearing people DNE was only a small blip on the big Wisconsin map it was where father Alfred
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Coons had called home for many years and for many years he has loved and taken care of the good people of DNE it was a
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beautiful night one of those clear March nights where the snowflakes melt when they touch the pavement about halfway
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home father Coons became silent and then he started to clam up fiori looked at his friend and said Al you have been a
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good friend for so many years and I love you for that there was a long pause and father Coons looked up there
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were large tears running down his face and all he could say was I know I know around 10: p.m. that night the two
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priests had arrived at St Michael's Church the destination for father Coons he got out of the car father fiori
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rolled down the car window and shouted hey Al make sure you get yourself something to eat I will Coons yelled
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back before heading inside and out of the cold most likely within an hour or two
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of arriving home father Coons was startled a noise woke him from his sleep someone was in the building
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a stranger stepped out of the cold night and into the church and home of Father Coons but this part of the story is a
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mystery because we don't know the stranger's name and we cannot see the stranger's face we can only wonder if
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father Coons knew the name or recognized the face regardless father Coons would have greeted The Stranger with warmth
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and kindness how may I help you my child but the stranger was not seeking in the
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love of God the warmth of the church he only wanted one thing from father Coons The Stranger would greet Coons with
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anger maybe an accusatory question a death threat or words of hatred The Stranger rushes the old priest and
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attacks him forced to defend himself father Coons fights back as he is being hit repeatedly after a long struggle The
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Stranger gets up and he pulls from his coat a knife father Coons grabs at the the blade with his bare hands trying to
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pry the knife from his asent sadly he is unsuccessful the stranger put the blade
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to the side of Coon's neck and slits the throat of the beloved father the stranger now covered in blood injured
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and probably cut stands up and as he gathers himself he curses the priest then he steps back out into the cold
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night who was this stranger was he a mentally ill Drifter or some sick twisted Satanist or was he someone the
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priest had trusted this is true crime garage and this is the case of Father Alfred
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[Music] Coons on Wednesday March 4th 1998 the body of father Alfred Coons was found at
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the St Michael's Church his body was practically lying at the foot of a beautiful statue of St Michael the
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Archangel inside the building he was found by a school teacher this is a male teacher at about 7 a.m. on that day this
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man called 911 to report the findings when the First Responders arrived the first thing that they saw was all of the
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blood on the tile floor now father father Alfred Coons was wearing black pants and a white T-shirt and he
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was lying in a pool of his own blood his his clothing had been blood soaked by that point obviously the teacher who had
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found him had quite a bit of blood on his own clothing as well after running over to the body father Coons was known
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as father Al to most who knew him now as we mentioned at the start of the show one man who knew Al very well was father
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fiori the two were together the night before for uh this would be the night of or the night before Coon's death
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depending on how you look at the Timeline police say because of fiori dropping Coons off around 10 p.m. that
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night and the teacher finding the body around 7:00 a.m. the following morning that that obviously is your window for
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when the murder occurred now the police may not know for sure but they have stated that they estimate that the time
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of death would be closer to 10 p.m. on March 3rd rather than 7 a.m. on March 4th so father fiori and father Coons
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they were together that night they were in Monroe Wisconsin father Coons and fiori will Captain they were they were a
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lot like us they had a quote unquote radio show um they called this our our Catholic hour and it sounds to me like
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clever name it sounds to me like Coons had done the show for a while maybe like a year or two uh Peter I thought it was
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called Catholic hour garage uh Peter Kelly who is a Monroe Wisconsin attorney he is the producer of
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the weekly show our Catholic hour or our Catholic Family um on this night father
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fiori was at the mic in place of Father Coons the two had been longtime friends and I believe fiori had had been a guest
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many times on this show now father Coons was passing the torch and passing the mic to his friend as father fiori was
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taking over the show permanently um I I've never I've never heard the show and and no disrespect
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intended but I have read that it was a rather dry hourong show um so similar to our show on occasion Coons had done some
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controver controversial things um or Antics on the show I I won't go into the details of those because I don't want to
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I don't wish to offend anybody listening um as we said after the taping of the show fiori drove Coons back to danne to
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his church uh slome arriving around 10 p.m. according to the records [ __ ] spoke
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to someone on the phone at 10:30 p.m. there the B there the body was found the next morning at 7:00 a.m. we don't know
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what happened during those hours except someone or someone's arrived at the church and there was some kind of fight
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that led to someone cutting the throat of the good father right uh I'm really curious to know the the um you know the
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first thing I was curious about was the lock situation of the building so let's describe this building real quick so
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basically what you have it's it's a church now keep in mind this is a smaller town but you have a church that
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also contains within it a Catholic school as well as a small apartment it's been referred to as a small apartment
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where Coons had lived but they also said that he lived like a like a like a popper you know like he lived like a
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very very poor man there there was some a famous story done on Al Alfred Coons after he passed away that that was
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titled Alfred Coons um from rags to rags you know this wasn't a rags to Rich's story this was this was a man that lived
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um you know he lived like a poor man because he served his he served his Parish he served his God and he served
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the people of his Parish Community well and also the Catholic Family our garage probably wasn't paying the bills right
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right so the the lock situation like I said the thing that I was concerned about with this building um was very
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simple and the police cleared this up very quickly uh with one of the first newspaper articles that came out they
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clearly stated the police found the building locked um the the the entire building was locked every door was
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locked uh and there was there was no sign of forced entry so you know now we have this
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situation of how did the killer get in uh if if this either he had access to the building in some some way or father
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Alfred Coons let this person inh and you know but the thing is '98 right so it could have been like any school or some
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some of these churches where all you you know you could get out of the building but getting in everything was locked
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right so that's that's what I'm assuming I would guess as well the same thing now
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here's some uh background information on our victim father Coons was born in Wisconsin in 1930 he grew he grew up in
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phomore uh he attended Seminary at Joseph Phenom in Worthington Ohio you and I are big fans of the the little
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town of Worthington it's close to us that's right he received a doctorate in canon law uh he became the pastor of
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what is described in these newspaper articles as the tiny Church of St Michaels and they list the church parish
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as consisting of 149 families it's unclear to me if that was at the time that he became the pastor or if that was
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at the time of his death well like you said in the trailer this is a very small town mhm so father Al I'll try to refer
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to him as that because that's what his friends called him um I guess the church had burned down at some point and he had
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helped rebuild the church uh as we said you know the rags to rag story he took a
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vow of poverty he collected no salary uh he died with very little money he at the
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time of his death he had three cars but these were all like smaller older maybe what we would refer to as
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beaters right yeah and they might have been donated by people of the parish well he he was a very old school kind of
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dude he he would buy or get these cars you you're right some of these may have been donated and these are old beat up
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cars and sometimes they would barely run or uh maybe not run at all but he would
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fix them up and he would keep them running and he would he would give some sometimes he would give these cars to
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the teachers at his school because I believe the teachers made very little money you know they made something like
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$500 salary a month you know so very little money so he would try to do are they allowed to do that with minimum
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wage and things like that I I don't know how that stuff works the church gets around everything but he would he would
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try to give them little perks or incentives for their work with the uh with the church and school well he's a
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little bit of a chef as well mhm yeah he was he was kind of famous for his fish fries they would do the community and
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the church would do these uh fish fries every you know most on some Friday nights and father Coons along with two
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other gentlemen they would do everything they would fry the fish the French fries
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they would make their own tartar sauce uh and even though the town only had about 700 people sometimes they would
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get over a th000 people at these different events um you know so this was something that was uh popular you know
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and he was well known for people would drive in from out of town to to you know get together with the people and and and
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experience these these events on Friday yeah well in all fairness if you're in a
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town of like 700 people everything you do is popular I mean hey man um we're going to go watch uh
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little Kevin he learned to tie his shoes we're going to go watch him okay 700 people show up the thing here Captain
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though is that father Coons he he remained at his church he remained at this church at St Michaels for a long
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time all the way up until his death uh well how how long is that it was like you know he was there for like 30 years
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um it's a long time yeah and the thing here is they they say that he quote unquote ran a oneman show uh he he kept
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basically no records he had no calendar or daily planner and rarely kept notes on things concerning his work at the
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church this including counseling sessions um so from the get-go though we see a problem with the investigation
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because we know with these with these murders that a lot of times we got to start looking at the Inner Circle you
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know the family the friends uh the people that were closest to the victim well immediately the investigators have
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a problem because we have a guy that has no he doesn't write anything down he you
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know they they would have to go to other people to find out what this guy's future plans were you know what was his
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future appointments who was he supposed to go see what was on his his calendar that maybe he only kept in his mind um
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so this made the investigation uh more difficult plus they also didn't they're not able to really fully establish
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things that maybe only father Al would have known or father Al would have wrote down regarding his relationships with
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other people or especially his work with the church yeah but how many people write that down hey I do a I do a
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podcast with Nick I like Nick we drink beer together we have fun he's very funny I appreciate all
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those nice things off of the mic when he's not on the podcast he's very funny but the thing here is Captain if
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investigators can find a diary a calendar if they have a computer to if they have a computer that they can sort
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through um do grown do grown men keep Diaries um I don't okay some do yeah and I'll
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and but but a lot of people keep a calendar A lot of people do um you know sit at a computer for x amount of hours
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every day these are all things that can help your investigation uh he was killed at the
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age of 67 he was uh at St Michael's Church for 31 years you asked how many years it was 31 years um and I didn't I
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didn't realize this until we got into to looking at this case you know I grew up
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Catholic you grew up Catholic uh I wouldn't say we were the best of Catholics you know we weren't we we
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weren't there shut your mouth I was a old I was a Alder boy no you weren't yes I was you were yeah for a while uh I was
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confirmed I was confirmed what was your confirmation name I think we already got
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into this on a show I can't remember what you said Hans was it Hans no it's Isaiah oh and you don't remember your
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name do you no no see I remember this um I was too busy being an older boy so I didn't realize that it's a very rare
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thing for a priest to remain at the same church for that many years for 31 years
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I'm going to keep that joke to myself so both of us were raised Catholic we neither one of us are
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practicing Catholics today um I think we mainly we mainly were confirmed Catholic
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just so we could play on the football team hey I pray a lot during the football season yes yeah um now father
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Al was not only just a good priest but he was a good son as well his mother lived about an hour and a half away from
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him and he would visit her often uh almost every week sometimes more than once a week the thing here is that I
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thought well I heard she did his laundry so the thing that I thought was really nice uh and and almost cute in a way in
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a in a mama's boy kind of way um he would he would visit her obviously on her birthday but he would call Mass at
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her local church on on her birthday so she would she would go there you know and maybe drag a couple of her friends
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with her so she could show off how proud she is of her boy right um and like we said he was old school one thing that he
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would do is he did a he could say a a Latin Mass which I don't know how often I don't know if these were things that
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took place often a Latin Mass I don't know if they did that at my church growing up I wouldn't have um you know I
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would have recognized that it's a different language but I wouldn't have known anything that was being said well
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they they did it at mine but to be to be fair I mean they start talking and you don't know if they're just saying
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gibberish or if they're speaking Latin so I do like when the priest like sings and talks at the same time you know the
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you know that kind that always that always inspired me I was trying to pull Frank
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Sinatra All right so you know this guy was a good guy uh I'll post a picture of um [ __ ] on um Instagram uh one of the
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things that is interesting he kind of has a um I don't it's not a lazy eye but it's
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kind of a droopy eye really I think are you certain he might he might I just thought he was kind of the dude that
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like if he knew he was having his picture taken he would like [ __ ] the one eyebrow up like like maybe that was his
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pose kind of thing that you like to go that's my pose and you don't get a droopy eye that's a that's a different
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look it's just kind of a droopy eye I mean if you he you know he just comes across as goofy maybe even a hint drunk
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I'm not saying he was an alcoholic or that he was a drunk that's just kind of because he's got a happy face yeah like
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that's the best way to explain it friendly when you see him he he like he like has a natural smile um and the
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thing is if you see him out of his priest get up um he's very grandfatherly looking you know what I mean he looks
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like what you well you would close your eyes and picture a typical grandfather Yeah and I
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I'll post a picture of his when he first started the priesthood you know handsome
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gentleman uh but I think then as he got older I like the guys that as they get older they embrace it mhm and they just
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go I'm the goofy older guy now you know I'm not trying to be handsome or swaave mhm Captain we have we have to go
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through the autopsy the evidence and the police findings uh from the immediate get-go um one of
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the first articles that came out you know we had a situation where the police were saying that they were they were
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looking for a motive for this crime because it would be it's very rare I have to believe it's very rare for a for
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a priest to be killed and a priest to be killed inside one's own church um now they did state that they would not rule
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out robbery early on in the investigation I do want to want to tip you know mention one kind of thing that
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I thought was a little bit sad uh to see a man that gave so much of his life to the Catholic church and to um well his
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community his community and helping others um the thing here is the priest could not complete the last rights for
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father Coons because of the investigation a reverend from a nearby town of loie gave Coon's final absolute
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solution but officials did not permit him to anoint the body with oil as the oil uh it was said that the oil May
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interfere with evidence or things that they were looking for on the body so I found that to be rather sad concerning
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that you know considering that he gave so much of his life to to the faith we'll get back to the case of Father
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autopsy the evidence and police findings uh with this still being unsolved these
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are limited to the public as they should be um but the still unsolved murder investigation uh regarding Alfred Coons
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has been described as one of the most expensive and timeconsuming investigations in the danne county
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history um the crime scene was described as Grizzly and gruesome which we should
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expect it to be uh with the cause of death being well father Coons had bled to death uh he was discovered face down
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in a pool of his own blood his throat had been cut he was lying in the hallway area what's been described as the
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hallway area near the door of his apartment um to his living quarters right um someone had used a razor sharp
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what's been described by the police as a razor sharp blade to cut the artery uh this is just below Coon's jaw medical
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experts said that he would have fainted when the cut was made and he would have only lived for about a minute uh and
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this would have been in a dazed dreamlike state now one big indicator to the investigators was father Coons had
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Mars on his hands and arms uh it was very obvious to the police and they're not very descriptive about these uh what
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what led them to believe this but they state that they know for a fact Coons fought his attacker right that would be
00:31:01
the marks on your hands MH and they're they're also saying that the attacker would have had obvious signs of injury
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meaning that the investigators believe or have evidence to point them in the direction of believing that this person
00:31:19
was probably punched in the face is the is the best way that I can gather from this because they they've repeatedly
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said the haacker would have had obvious injuries well and maybe they can tell I mean you're going to have cuts on Father
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Coon's hands M but as far as like you know the the human hand is not designed to punch things well MH uh so there's a
00:31:42
possibility that uh father [ __ ] had like a broken pinky knuckle okay or something
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like that so if he's punching somebody he might have damage to his hand from punching somebody and maybe that's
00:31:55
that's the evidence of that and you would expect to see more damage to one's hands if they're connecting with the
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face or the skull because the bones are you know right up there well and the skull is harder than the hand mhm and so
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this person would have had obvious injuries on their face uh from being punched the other thing that they
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believe too that it's very likely um that the killer did not anticipate that amount of blood remember we've talked
00:32:23
about in the past that that sometimes when there's a struggle or when there's blood involved um the blade can become
00:32:30
slippery um and and you could you can cut yourself on accident or could be even leave yourself with a decent size
00:32:37
cut or Cuts uh because of the struggle or because of the blood well and we've talked about that before with if you
00:32:45
have a blade like a you know a knife right you have a standard knife but it normally has the handle and it has like
00:32:53
a almost like a hand stopper a hilt what I believe so when when if if it got slippery that Hilt would stop you from
00:33:02
cutting your hand now if you have a box cutter or a kitchen knife yeah or like a
00:33:08
razor blade type thing razor blade uh then there's no Hilt there so it doesn't stop your hand from sliding and you you
00:33:17
want to talk about a devastating cut you know you thought a paper cut was bad now
00:33:24
right away in the investigation Captain one thing that I found interesting was the the deputies were asking neighbors
00:33:31
you know people that lived in this rural rural community apologize uh to watch for unusual items on their lawns and the
00:33:41
investigator stating anytime that you have a crime like this there is always the possibility that someone has
00:33:48
discarded something as they left the crime scene so I'm assuming that they were hopeful the police were hopeful
00:33:55
that maybe that the attacker leaves the church as he's walking back wherever he's gone he's dropping the the you know
00:34:04
the murder weapon mhm yeah that he would have disposed of the murder Weapon by just tossing it in some random location
00:34:11
all right so what we do know let's just recap this real quick we have we know that father Coons was attacked and
00:34:18
murdered in the hallway mhm um we know that there was a a knife or a blade involved correct we know that there was
00:34:27
a lot of blood so the attacker would probably have blood on them and there's some evidence we don't know what the
00:34:33
evidence is but you know possibly where this uh the attacker would have or the murderer is what I probably should say
00:34:41
the murderer would have blood on them maybe a black eye maybe cuts on them correct broken nose you know any
00:34:50
anything that you would a busted lip anything that you would assume or or you know that would be typical of a a fist
00:34:56
fight mhm um we also know that Coons was killed between the hours of 10:30 p.m. and 7 a.m. pretty long window though
00:35:05
yeah police believing that it's closer to that 10:30 p.m. um situation I would I was curious to know who um uh who he
00:35:14
was talking to I couldn't locate that information but but it was clear there was some kind of phone call that he had
00:35:21
um phone conversation that he had around that 10:30 time yeah a lot like you said
00:35:26
before a lot of this evidence is kind of held close to the vest and the other thing too um regarding the the teacher
00:35:36
that found um father Coons they which had a lot of blood on him they've Not Included the name of this person um that
00:35:44
I could find um and there were many newspaper uh internet and magazine articles regarding this murder and I
00:35:52
couldn't find one that that stated that male it's a male teacher I couldn't find
00:35:56
one that stated the name of him uh we do know that the doors were all found locked there was no sign of forced entry
00:36:05
it was um you know we said that father fiori had that uh the the evening with with Father Coon's the night before it
00:36:13
was father fiori who formally identified the victim at the scene now one thing I
00:36:19
was a little curious about um was the father fiori situation you know he's handed you know he's taking over this
00:36:28
this radio show was that some kind of problem between the two of them they were longtime friends they they actually
00:36:36
worked together on many projects that they created themselves and it it had been reported many many times you know
00:36:44
we talked about Coon's purchasing or getting these vehicles and fixing them up at the time
00:36:50
of his death he had three cars and he was somebody that everybody said well he loved to drive like that that was a big
00:36:58
hobby of his and I thought well if he loved to drive so much why is he car you know why is this father fiori driving
00:37:05
him 70 miles both ways I actually found father fiori at the time lived only about 5 minutes away from father [ __ ] so
00:37:13
it would only make sense for the two to to carpool on this don't Litter how about how about trying to carpool every
00:37:22
now and then um everybody please carpool be good be kind don't Litter car pull now from an outsider looking in uh at
00:37:33
first glance and I hate are we getting into speculation already yeah we're going to get into a little speculation
00:37:39
and then we'll get into some theories but but but one thing that I kind of want to put um well let me just give our
00:37:46
warning if you don't like speculation turn the damn show off one thing I want to kind of put the bed before we get
00:37:51
into the theories here Captain was from somebody looking from the outside looking in your immediate thought would
00:37:59
be a priest killed in a church well was he up to no good we know that the the Catholic church has um uh yeah got some
00:38:10
black eyes over the years and and and priest have we don't have to [ __ ] foot around with this I mean well there's
00:38:16
been priests out there that have have done terrible things there there's hundreds and hundreds of priests that
00:38:23
were child molesters that are probably still are child molesters and um the church has covered that up
00:38:29
time and time again that's what's been happening if you don't like what I just stated um that that's not my opinion
00:38:36
that's just what's fact um that's the unfortunate Truth uh the thing here is Captain so the first thing that we
00:38:44
looked at was well is was father Coons one of these bad priests was he a bad priest and and somebody out there felt
00:38:50
that he deserved to be punished um right maybe so the idea which I don't know why
00:38:57
you're you know dancing around it the idea is that he he possibly molested a child and then that child would come
00:39:05
back or the the parents of that child were like yeah it's time for you to die pay for what you
00:39:11
did the thing here is though Captain that's the theory right that that would be the first thought and the thing is
00:39:18
though there's no evidence or even complaints of Father Coon's having been involved in anything of that nature no
00:39:26
again and again 30 years 31 years at the same Parish now when you look into a lot
00:39:32
of these the accused priest that's all you can call them because there's never charges normally brought up M the
00:39:40
accused priest normally they'll bounce them around they'll give them 6 months sick leave they'll move them perish
00:39:48
normally every 2 to three years M so there is no sign of that there's no sign of him being moved around no father Al's
00:39:55
at the same for 31 years right and like we said there was no uh even after his death there was nobody that came forward
00:40:04
right so it is a small community and I get again I think with the small community you're going to you know if if
00:40:13
he was up to no good uh you're affecting a giant percentage of that population actually the the other thing too Captain
00:40:22
is what came out after his death were there were many pre that were coming out as well as people in within the parish
00:40:30
that were you know devout and very close to Father Al that were coming out after
00:40:35
his death and saying quite the contrary that that father Al was not a a bad priest he wasn't a child molester he was
00:40:43
actually kind of policing other priest that he was what they called a um a discreet
00:40:51
whistleblower um and this was like I said several priests said this and several people in the parish had said
00:40:57
that he was keeping an eye on some things and he was um you know I don't know how vocal he was with it because
00:41:04
like I said this is stuff he came out that came out after his death it sounds more to me like um uh he was he he would
00:41:13
report these incidents or report his suspicions to uh superiors to these other priest superiors right and like we
00:41:22
said again this was 1998 this is uh this is actually three years I think before the Boston story
00:41:30
broke 2001 uh with the whole preex scandal in Boston but I think this was something in
00:41:38
that Community um that was being talked about and being discussed and from what I
00:41:44
found it seems like he was doing a lot of research into these possible connections with priest in in the whole
00:41:52
state of Illinois mhm so what did he know or what did he uncover um you know could that be a
00:42:01
possible motive mhm now the thing here is Captain early in the investigation we have danne County Sheriff's detective
00:42:08
Kevin Hughes uh regarding the thought of motives for the murder of father Coons he says you know the the motives are all
00:42:16
over the place you know this could be anything from jealousy to power and control to betrayal and fear of exposure
00:42:24
uh he basically says you know the it could be any one of these things so you can take your pick at this point when
00:42:30
you're investigating this crime now very early on in the murder they had like they had a whole bunch of guys maybe 30
00:42:37
30 men and women investigating uh this murder um they they did I mean they they did a lot of hard work on this now there
00:42:46
were many theories out there regarding the motives uh or why he was killed um but several priests have their have
00:42:56
theories of their own and we'll get into those um the first one being that um either Satanist uh possibly luciferians
00:43:05
killed father alons okay um it has been it it's been suggested many have suggested that there is a body of
00:43:15
evidence that suggests that Satanism was involved in the murder now we we gave a
00:43:20
warning a couple weeks ago and we don't typically do these because it is a true crime show but you don't you don't
00:43:26
expect to hear about um an animal being harmed or killed so throwing out this is
00:43:33
the warning uh I was actually received some feedback that said hey next time when you're going to talk about that
00:43:38
stuff could you make sure you throw out a warning in advance and I thought well you should pay attention
00:43:43
because we did give you a warning here's your warning here's this is the official
00:43:48
warning so and I apologize for this but it has to be reported um a a mutilate a mutilated calf was discovered on a Farm
00:43:56
just about 15 minutes away from St Michael's Church where they found Coon's body uh the calf this was found just the
00:44:05
day before M uh the calf had its th its throat slit It's throat slit and its blood was drained into a Milk Pail uh
00:44:15
the calf's genitals had been cut off as well the calf was in a cage when it was killed or at least fenced in maybe in a
00:44:23
stall rather than a cage but the articles I read refers to the calf as being caged um according to police
00:44:31
reports this happened between 10 p.m. on March 2nd and 4 a.m. on March 3rd at a farm so again this is a very similar
00:44:44
time frame just one day before Coon's murder right the ca as I said the caged animals throat was slit the the farmer
00:44:53
told police um that he believed that this was probably the work of a Wiccan cult um that he he had said was rumored
00:45:02
to operate in the area now cult experts consider calf mutilations to be the quote unquote calling card or signature
00:45:12
of Satanist um Coon's slit throat was also significant to these same um experts I wonder if there's a way to
00:45:20
test um you know the blade entries and and things like that of the bodies if they' be similar that's that's a that's
00:45:29
an interesting thought um they're they're saying that the the throat cutting um is signs of uh you know many
00:45:39
secret societies there are Oaths of many secret societies that include that throat
00:45:44
slicing as a penalty or punishment for revealing a group's closest Secrets um you know and the thought here being was
00:45:53
father Coons exposing the operation of some kind of cult right but again like I said how much did he know about
00:46:02
these other priests as far as the you know pedophilia and stuff like that but also were those pre were those priests
00:46:11
connected to other organizations you know that were more Sinister so that's just a a rabbit hole now one driving
00:46:20
force behind this thought of the Satanist or luciferians was Coon's friend and Associate this is a former
00:46:28
Vatican Insider Malaki Martin um he certainly thought so um and this is obvious because just six weeks after
00:46:36
Coon's murder Martin appeared on a radio show claiming to have inside information
00:46:42
that Coon's murder was carried out by luciferians uh according to for what reason though did he say on the radio
00:46:49
show um I did I did not hear the Artic I did not hear the entire interview MH um
00:46:56
according to you know this would have taken place in in the late 1990s and late 1998 um so I was unable to find the
00:47:05
entire interview uh but according to Martin uh luciferians are not your garden variety devil worshippers but
00:47:13
they are devil worshippers nonetheless he also insisted that Coons had either assisted in several exorcisms yeah or
00:47:22
perform them himself at the St Michael's Church and that he often consulted with Martin
00:47:29
uh regarding these exorcisms um he also yeah well I think Martin was actually pretty famous for
00:47:36
exorcisms wasn't he I think I think that the priest I was reading about yeah you're exactly right uh Martin was
00:47:43
famous for a lot of things and and we'll get into that in just a second uh but one more thing that that Martin was
00:47:49
saying was that luciferians resent uh what they resent the most is interference with someone they guard as
00:47:56
their own um adding that his friend believed that his life was in danger for weeks leading up to his death uh he says
00:48:06
that we I I don't know who we are when he says we but he says we are all convinced beyond anything that father
00:48:13
Coons was killed in hatred of the faith as punishment and as an example for the rest of us I'm assuming he means uh we
00:48:23
as in Priest that's what I would assume and he also states that a week before the murder uh a woman who was certain
00:48:31
her middle-age son was demonically possessed was referred to Father alon's for an exorcism um and this was going to
00:48:42
be done uh he was referred by a bishop um in Minnesota the woman and her son had not yet arrived as of the night
00:48:51
before Coons had died Martin also said Coons was afraid for his life for weeks leading up to the murder it sounds to me
00:48:59
Captain like it's a little unclear um in my notes but it sounds to me like this this I'll maybe get some more clear
00:49:05
notes this woman had made some kind of appointment to meet with him because you know it does state that they had not
00:49:12
arrived to meet with coons before his death yeah but you know uh old Alfred doesn't write anything down so we don't
00:49:19
know right um that what it's funny when you're saying he doesn't write anything down I'm like well really who writes a
00:49:27
lot of stuff down but guess you would write down appointments for an exorcism or or to to discuss an exorcism you
00:49:35
think you think if you're going to have a fight with a a man possessed by the devil you're going to you know you're
00:49:43
going to mark that down on the calendar you're going to get up every day and you're going to chug your eggs and
00:49:48
you're going to run up the stairs my calendar is not very complete but I would I would be I would be dreading the
00:49:54
arrival of that day next next Wednesday it's on like Donkey Kong well okay so should we talk a little bit about um
00:50:03
let's talk a little bit about Martin for a second uh before we get into uh some of these other theories Mar Martin is
00:50:10
the priest that's giving the the interview with the radio yeah and and I don't want to go into this all the way
00:50:18
because I don't fully understand it there's probably a lot of intricate workings with inside the Catholic church
00:50:24
that we are aware of um but you know there have been people that have questioned this Malaki Martin his
00:50:32
authenticity as being a priest uh his authenticity as having been a quote unquote Vatican Insider um we're not
00:50:40
going to debate that on this show but I do want to throw that out there to let you know there has been this talk uh you
00:50:46
can certainly look into Maliki Martin as much as you want there's a lot of information out there on him he was a uh
00:50:53
best-selling author uh apparently he had asked for special permission to from the
00:50:58
church to become an author um the the thing here is where I think you see the problem with Martin is a lot of his
00:51:06
books were talking about Satanism being involved in the hierarchy of the Catholic Church as well as sex
00:51:14
scandals and um these the pedophilia that you had talked about being involved in the church um he had several uh
00:51:23
best-selling books and maybe that's why the church pushed him away or kept him at arms length but as you said he was
00:51:30
known for his exorcisms he was known to be a big proponent of reminding everybody every chance he got that there
00:51:38
is a constant battle between good and evil going on and there are people out there that are getting uh possessed by
00:51:45
these demons and he was leading and assisting in many exorcisms and and wrote several books uh whether you know
00:51:53
most of them are considered to be fiction works of fiction but he says that a lot of his Works based reality
00:52:01
based off of experiences that he had well but it also kind of makes you wonder you know if this guy has
00:52:07
connections with the church what is his motivation I mean he has some motives here too I mean let's let's just assume
00:52:14
let's just hypothetically right right hypothetically uh Alfred Coon's get some information that there is some um you
00:52:22
know some touchy touchy going on with some priests right mhm and he is going to and maybe he's presenting this
00:52:28
evidence to to some people uh I actually heard that he actually sent some stuff to the bishop before so if they looked
00:52:36
into this information that father Coons gave them there was some validity to it and they didn't do anything about it and
00:52:43
then he then contacted him and said hey what are you doing about this right that
00:52:47
would be if again connections with the bishop connections with you know the Vatican or whatever that would be a
00:52:54
reason oh well he was killed by Satanist well actually he was killed by priests but we're going to call him Satanist and
00:53:02
that's our coverup MH you know he was killed by the church but hey guys he was killed by Satanist so that would be a
00:53:10
motive there um for him lying but uh but I don't know well but the thing here is
00:53:17
I think you know I see Maliki Martin as he you know and maybe it's not all over the shop but he he seems to be
00:53:27
presenting almost two different arguments that kind of I guess they intertwine each other at some point
00:53:32
because he you know he states that um you know it it was known that the format of that hourlong radio show that
00:53:40
Catholic Family Hour show was going to be modified uh Martin I guess was was at times a guest a regular guest on the
00:53:48
show um and he was labeled as an expert on deviate sex Rings within the c c Catholic Church um stating that the
00:53:57
night Coons was murdered was the exact same night that Coon's friend Father Charles fiori was going to take over the
00:54:04
Catholic Family Hour show fiori planned this is according to Martin fiori planned to begin exposing satanic
00:54:12
pedophile Rings within the Catholic Church uh fiori was in a perfect position to collect Intelligence on
00:54:20
deviate sex Rings both inside and outside the Catholic church because of his participation in what Martin says is
00:54:28
the or calls the council for National policy um well so everything I just said makes zero sense then well so basic cuz
00:54:37
what because then that wouldn't be a cover up right because if he found this bad stuff then his then this guy is not
00:54:43
covering it up because what he's stating is if if there if if he was killed and it was satanic it it does not exclude um
00:54:53
people of the church right that there are s there are satanic organizations outside of the church M and then there
00:55:01
are some inside the church and he was saying that the um satanic ring of pedophiles in the church possibly could
00:55:10
be um who's responsible for killing father Coons yeah and I think that's Martin you know reminding us is is or
00:55:18
pointing out to us asking us the question is this is this complet is it just coincidence
00:55:25
that that Coons is killed on the same night that fiori takes over the radio show and Fiori's planning on discussing
00:55:32
this this crazy topic right um and you know was so was Coons killed uh to to shut up Coons his work that he was doing
00:55:42
behind the scenes the reports he were filing with people and as a warning to fiori um to not go out with this
00:55:49
information now according to to uh Martin and to others um f then changed his plans for that radio show after the
00:56:00
the Mur of coons of course he did well we can say of course he did but we also we don't know exactly what his plans
00:56:07
were you know it's one thing for it's one thing for Martin to say this is what he was planning to do it's it's another
00:56:13
thing if that was actually um the case yeah does anybody write this stuff down yeah so so Martin I mean these are these
00:56:21
are interesting theories uh Martin is certainly a u and I don't want don't anybody get get mad at me on this I
00:56:28
didn't we weren't able to spend a lot of time on this Martin guy he had a very extensive career he had a lot of um ins
00:56:35
and outs with the Catholic church I don't know the specifics of all of those um but he was what I would say a
00:56:42
controversial character um Martin died in 1999 so not long after the death of Father Alfred
00:56:51
Coons well he he passed away of a stroke uh that was prompted by a fall um as he
00:56:59
prepared for an exorcism according to a close associate that doesn't sound fishy
00:57:04
at all well according to this associate and this is coming from Martin uh as he's lying in a hospital bed just
00:57:12
shortly before his death Martin says and and he he adamantly says that the fall felt more like a deliberate Act of an
00:57:22
unseen evil force than an accident at the time the associate who was at Martin's bedside when he died later
00:57:30
quoted him as shouting at one point when asked about the incident he says no I did not fall I tell you my legs were
00:57:38
pulled out from under me right so sadly U Martin has passed away in 1999 now regarding the calf
00:57:47
mutilation um that certainly does seem to me let's let's not jump around here so with with his stroke he's stating
00:57:58
somebody pulled his legs out from under him well he says an evil an unseen evil force um he says that it feels like
00:58:05
pulled his legs out from him he's should have been in person again he said he's he was uh he was I believe he was
00:58:12
reaching for a book like he had climbed up on a stool and he was at his one of those you know fancy bookshelves that
00:58:19
these successful people have um and he was he I don't have one of those our bookshelves are short yeah we he his you
00:58:28
have to actually dig to get to ours he's standing on a stool and first of all any
00:58:34
listener out there even if especially the older crowd don't stand on stools okay let's just let's not stand they're
00:58:41
not very safe to stand on don't Litter carpo car pull don't stand on don't stand on stools and go to the Fish Fry
00:58:49
on Friday all right okay so Martin he's on this stool and he says that he felt that his legs were pulled out from
00:58:55
underneath of him he was preparing for an exorcism um I don't know you know I watched a documentary on Martin and a
00:59:03
lot guess it's possible a lot of his close people well he firmly believed in these demonic possessions so well of
00:59:09
course he did I mean why would you do Exorcist if you didn't and if so if you believe in that then I guess that it's
00:59:15
not too much of a leap to believe that that they could be coming after him um as he's trying to help these people um
00:59:24
the thing here though is you know Close Associates of his according to the documentary I watched it was called um
00:59:31
Hostage to the devil or something like that um they believe that the the exorcisms were taking a physical toll on
00:59:39
this U Mali Martin throughout his years that he would that he was having health problems because he was involved in
00:59:46
these exorcisms well I'm I'm assuming an exorcist is kind of stressful M God if there anything like they portrayed in
00:59:56
the uh documentary demons I don't even Release Yourself demons yeah if you're hosting an exorcism down the street from
01:00:04
me could you make it well known so I can leave the state I don't want to be anywhere near those things you probably
01:00:10
have been near one he just didn't know it you know I've got some family members that I think might need an exorcism oh
01:00:19
Jesus uh so here's the thing Captain what are your thoughts on this CF mutilation I mean it it's certainly an
01:00:27
act like that killing I'm I'm not a I'm not a vegan killing a a younger animal uh in that manner certainly sounds like
01:00:36
something and I'll use a George W term here one of my favorite comic book terms sounds like something that an evildoer
01:00:43
or group of evildoers would would do would perform uh it seems like a really unnecessary thing of violence you know
01:00:53
and and that's maybe that's why the the farmer believed it would be an act of some kind of cult yeah it's interesting
01:01:01
to me one I'd want to know um did the farmer have any exchanges with anybody where maybe he did something wrong you
01:01:09
know uh so there that's a possibility there uh are they connected it's very possible I mean we
01:01:18
got we have a in the same town very small town we have a animal with its throat slit and then we have a u priest
01:01:28
the next day yeah rough roughly 15 miles away from one another roughly 24 hours uh apart yeah are they connected
01:01:37
possibly it could be the same individual do I think it that's a sign of it being
01:01:43
satanic I I don't believe so you know I I you know that's all based off your you
01:01:50
know this case is so difficult because you know religion is such a a personal thing mhm that you know it's like um you
01:01:59
know if somebody said to me well this this person killed a a calf and then it killed a person and that that those acts
01:02:06
are satanic those are acts of the devil well I I would agree with you you know uh so does that make it Satanic you see
01:02:16
what I'm saying right and and I think you I want to hit on something that that you chimed in there about was you know
01:02:22
did this farmer have any grief es with somebody in the area because to me you know calf mutilation calf animal
01:02:32
sacrifice sounds and I hate the you know it sounds a little more teenager you know a little more teenager satanic cult
01:02:41
kind of thing to me that's where my gut goes with that um as far as the mutilation did did this farmer have any
01:02:48
problems with somebody because and I hate to use this word when I'm referring to a living animal but this is how the
01:02:54
law would see it the calf is a form of property of this farmer and you know much like much like people that dislike
01:03:01
one another or or have some grievance against one another uh might destroy someone's property while somebody
01:03:08
destroyed the the property and this being the the calf which could be a valuable piece of property um especially
01:03:16
to to the farm it's it's an asset you know so I think when you think of it in those terms yes it's a asset and so it'd
01:03:23
be like if you did me wrong or you owed me money and you don't have the money for me to collect well I'll hurt you in
01:03:30
your wallet by killing this animal and it's a horrible thing and it it takes a horrible person to do that act and I
01:03:37
think that the timing of the two are really what have to link them for me you know if if the calf mutilation was a
01:03:44
week before 3 days before 10 days before I might not not might not see any type of connection but being so close in the
01:03:53
manner of death being the same um is disturbing and it really it's a real big hiccup in this investigation for me it's
01:04:02
something well I think the timing but I also think what's really interesting is the not just the day but the hours you
01:04:10
know they they claimed that the calf um calf killing would happen after 10 p.m. to 4:00 a.m. correct MH same with Father
01:04:20
CO's murder so to me that that's very suspicious it's it's very strange it's a strange occurrence um and it's something
01:04:29
like I said it's a hiccup for me when I look at other things in this case I come
01:04:32
back to that and I'm going still a little uncertain on how I feel about the if there is a connection between the two
01:04:40
my gut says no um that there's probably not a connection to the two the the investigators at the time um say that
01:04:47
there is nothing that they didn't find any type of connection between the two between the calf and well again both
01:04:55
it's killing being killed by slitting somebody's throat or animal's throat and I think the thing here is um as far as
01:05:04
satanic if it Satanic right M my thought would just like I said before I just you
01:05:10
know if somebody be based off their religious beliefs said well murder is satanic or whatever okay fine that's
01:05:18
that's your viewpoints on this to me how it could just be some sick individual that got a new knife or whatever was
01:05:27
wandering around town after 10: p.m. when the whole town probably shut down uh back in the day for all the young
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listeners back in the day Town's actually shut down mhm like it got you know it get get about 10 p.m. everything
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got pretty dark uh so it could have been just some sick individual that got some
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knife right was walking around by a farm and it's like you know what I'm going to
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try to kill something MH and that's a sick individual that's a sick piece of [ __ ] and that
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same individual could have then been walking by the church sees the father dropped off and thinks to himself
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well I killed an animal let me see if I can kill a person MH and there's people I mean we've covered how many cases
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there's people out this world that are that messed up well there's also people that will take out insurance on you know
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racing horses or different kinds of valuable animals that they have and then burn down the stall for the uh
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the insurance money um I don't know this guy's situation or the cow situation it's sad for for the cow obviously um
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but yeah my gut says that that there's probably no um connection now the thing here though Captain would you think that
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if if Coons were killed by Satanist or or like Martin might suggest a specific group of satanists the luciferians do
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you think is it is it the the same as an act of terrorism and what I mean by that
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is because we see you know we've unfortunately come accustomed to acts of terrorism in this day and age and the
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terrorists are usually pretty quick to claim what they've done where with the the murder of father Alfred
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Coons does it make you wonder would would they would they have set up the crime scene in a way that would suggest
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it was carried out by Satanist would there have been some indication of that at the crime scene yeah but I I believe
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law enforcement probably would have brought that to the Forefront or earlier um so I I think that's weird we
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got a lot of other stuff that we need to get into at the end of the day I don't think um I don't know if it was satanic
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acts like you said I think there there would be some kind of signature MH if it was a satanic act um maybe not the calf
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murder maybe that would just be uh you know we're killing a calf right but as far as with the priest I
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think there would be some kind of signature that's left to say hey this is a this is a satanic cult that's doing
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this well we have several different theories and a couple of suspects to discuss still on the board in the garage
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for this week we will have to do that on tomorrow show so we will see you tomorrow in the garage we want to thank
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