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talk some true [Applause] [Music] crime in March of 1992 20-year-old Amy Hooper was killed she was found alone in
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her apartment someone went into her apartment and killed her on that day now we've been talking about this case and
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talking about the investigation that followed and we've been going through some of the suspects and police looked
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into Amy's boyfriend they looked into Amy's former boyfriends they looked into friends co-workers and neighborhood sex
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offenders they followed up on tips they were working very hard on this investigation as we both stated
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yesterday this is a Cold Case however we don't believe that it's because of lack
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of effort on the Franklin County Sheriff's Department in fact it seems like there's no reasonable logical
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reason that anybody would want to hurt her in fact detective Clark said in an interview quote Amy had a lot of friends
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and partied a bit but she didn't use drugs and she didn't run her mouth she wasn't causing anyone any trouble she
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hung out she worked hard and she did her job it doesn't seem that Amy was mixed up in anything nefarious at the time of
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her murder and the other thing that they followed up on too regarding this investigation and they reported this in
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the papers there were no known disturbances reported at her apartment complex in the weeks prior to her death
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so nothing appeared to be out of order right yeah and then once inside the apartment inside the the apartment which
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is in fact the murder scene we have a situation where we have no signs of a Breakin no signs of forced
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entry and it didn't appear that anything had been stolen I mean she was still wearing her diamond ring when her body
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was found I once heard a detective talk about how some perpetrators will go around Columbus has an outer belt
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270 and they would drive around 270 and get off at exits and start trying to look for opportunities and I wonder if
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somebody possibly saw her in Grove City And Then followed her back to the Lincoln Apartments loln Village
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Apartments because the apartments are not that far off the exit correct yeah actually they they are very close from
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that uh 270 exit and that's an interesting take and I actually believe that that might be a
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likely scenario here and that would mean that she was killed by a stranger right
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Amy was a very attractive young woman it's not inconceivable that some Maniac would be out there driving around
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looking for a young attractive woman and follow her home and see her going alone
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into this apartment right the only tough thing about that theory for me as the lack of evidence on a sexual assault I
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want to point out some weird things in this case and mind you I want you to to make mental note before I go into this
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of the location you know that location fairly well okay so as police were investigating Amy's case this is pretty
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quickly actually in fact within just the the short few weeks following the murder
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a few women on the west side of Columbus told authorities that they were receiving strange phone calls detective
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Clark told the media quote people would get calls from a man who would say remember Amy Hooper you're going to end
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up just like that now the reason why I point out that I believe that that is so strange is remember we covered a case
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about a year or so ago this was William coin or Bill coin lived in that same area now he has a mysterious death it's
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it's not been ruled a homicide you and I agreed that it was a mysterious death but there were threatening calls and
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letters that were going on after his death and he actually lived very close to where Amy Hooper would have lived at
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the time of her death now mind you their deaths are separated by 12 years right so it's likely it wasn't the same
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individual but I found it so strange that that you would have such a small area where you have one a mysterious
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death and then two a full-blown homicide and you have these strange calls that are going on this is a threatening phone
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call remember Amy Hooper who was just in the news remember that murder victim you're going to end up just like her
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yeah and somebody that we believe was budgeon to death and then stabbed after death I mean this is a vicious murder I
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mean what kind of sick-minded donkey spank starts calling women and saying you're going to end up like that dead
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girl well and the other thing too that you have to wonder about is if these if these calls were related to her murder
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if that's true then it cast some doubt on the detectives stated theory that Amy's murder was personal and targeted
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that would be my guess yeah but we've seen with serial killers or other cases and you you'd
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know more about this than I would where you have individuals that are it's a personal attack but only because it is a
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female that female that Amy Hooper would she she would represent a different female in this Killer's life right so
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that you know uh their victim that is female would represent their mother or ex-lover that that ruined their life
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right so that's where it gets pretty convoluted you no you're exactly right you have a situ situation that when you
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have Overkill usually 95% of the time that's going to point to the offender knew the victim and wanted
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to for a lack of better term destroy the victim not just kill them destroy them MH but as you stated we've seen it time
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and time again with serial killers and with repeat offenders that they're trying to destroy somebody else that the
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victim represents somebody else and sometimes it can be as simple as they have a deep rooted hatred of women in
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general right so that's a difficult thing and then regarding these phone calls Captain police were never able to find
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out anything more about these calls they looked into this angle here but they couldn't figure out more one more about
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the calls or if they were in fact connected to Amy's murder at all they could have just been
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right and this is maybe a handful of years right before everybody was getting caller ID when that was like the big
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thing like oh we got call our ID now like right and so it was a perfect time for for an individual that is
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sick-minded to do this correct well and then the other thing too one thing that's been suspected for years we
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talked about ears uh the Golden State killer it's believed that he called females in that area with threatening
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calls and strange i' I've heard some of these recordings very weird strange calls but they suspect that because most
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of his victims were in fact women or that's who he was seeking out as a victim they think that that was a way
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for him to later relive some of those crimes and to gain excitement after the fact so we may have
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a situation here that if these calls are connected that it is from the Killer and
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it is from somebody trying to relive that moment or get some kind of excitement out of the fear that he is
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hearing from the woman on the other end of the line well not just excitement but
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possibly getting some kind of understanding of how's he getting these numbers is he calling these numbers by
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random and if so he could be looking these numbers up in the White Pages M and if he's looking up these numbers in
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the White Pages for the young listeners they would deliver a book to your house that would give you a list of all these
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people's addresses and their phone numbers so then you would know that this number is connected to this address and
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okay a female answered you know so that you know raises some excitement it gets your boner juices going well and we
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talked about yesterday how they looked into the abusive boyfriend that Amy had when she was in high school we talked
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about them looking into her very good natured boyfriend that he had that she had uh at the current time of her death
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yeah the Bowling Green student correct we haven't talked about some other possible suspects okay let's get into
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them right now so one thing that's interesting is investigators did talk to Amy's roommate remember she had offered
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up her apartment to allow a young woman to move in with her who had a child and it seems to B according to her family
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that this was really Amy helping somebody out this was not a roommate in the sense that the roommate was sharing
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in the responsibilities of the apartment paying for the apartment this was somebody that she was
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helping out now investigators talked to this roommate according to what I could find she did pass she took and passed a
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polygraph exam and was ruled out as a suspect she told investigators that she did not recognize
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The Medallion the necklace that we spent so much time talking about yesterday that was found wrapped around Amy's
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wrist but that's a little strange to me in a sense that we now know that it did belong to Amy but again I guess they
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only lived there for like 3 weeks so could it be been an oversight on her part likely right the family Amy
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Hooper's family is somewhat suspicious of this roommate they tell us that she quote happened just happened to
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leave for Florida the night before Amy was killed and they believe that she knows more than what she is willing to
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say or what she told investigators well and this what gets difficult for us and then Amy's family is that DNA that or
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they claim they're testing people to clear them who's this DNA from as far as like is it even connected to Amy or is
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it connected to this roommate mhm and so there could be relationships that she is
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not telling the police about and that would be Shady right right and that's the thing
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that I think that the family is suspicious of I don't think that the family has any belief that the roommate
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killed Amy I believe that it's it could be simply something as maybe the roommate's boyfriend friend had
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something to do with it or somebody that she knew MH their their statement to me
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was plain and simple we're suspicious of her we think that it's quite convenient
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that she just happened to go to Florida the night before Amy was killed and then
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we believe that she knows more than what she's saying as far as police are are concerned she has been ruled out now we
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don't know if this was because of DNA testing or if it's simply that they can prove that she was in Florida when she
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said she was in Florida riddle me this Batman how does somebody that can't afford to get her own
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place and is using the help of a 20-year-old how does this individual have the funds to go to Florida MH that
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I mean that would be my big question I don't want to make any inferences here but my thought is that we might be
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thinking of of this is a vacation I'm thinking it's probably more of a move my guess because what I do know
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from the investigation is that the police did have a hard time they had a tough time finding this roommate
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initially see that makes it even more shady to me like it would be different if she moved let's say it wasn't for
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vacation it was just for for a move that you would think that she would have heard about the girl that helped her out
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she would have heard about her death and then got in contact with the police so that's even more suspicious in my mind
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it could be I I see what you're saying there I there's a chance she may have had no way of knowing you know what I
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mean we we don't know the the the circumstances of her going to Florida right so I think I think when you start
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to make inferences you can assume different things but we might not be on the right track there them having
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trouble tracking her down may just be something as simple as she was had fallen on Hard Times knew someone in
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Florida who was offering her a place to stay and she found a way to get down there right and stayed there for a while
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her her being hard to track down may not be because of any of her own efforts it
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just may be happen stance but what we do know is the police seem to believe that
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she is not a suspect that she has ruled out as having any possible involvement I agree with the family
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though it's a weird set of set of circumstances right yeah and they have the right to be suspicious and and I
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think it's also you can put a little weight look Amy helped you out we're going to put a little weight on you for
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you to kind of present it to me that I shouldn't be suspicious of you mhm does that make sense right and so I don't
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know know seems a little little fishy now remember we said how close Amy was with her family specifically her
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sister's Sandy now one thing that Amy I'm sorry Sandy tells us all of these years later and this is something that
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she's told others along the way is something that she has always been very concerned about in the weeks prior to
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Amy's death Amy called Sandy a few times complaining about a young man who wouldn't qu leave her alone this was
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someone that was in her group of friends in Amy's group of friends but according
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to what Amy's telling Sandy she believed this guy wanted more and wouldn't leave
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her alone he he continued to bug her and wouldn't take no for an answer you say he's younger so she's 20 how old is this
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no I just said a young man okay so we don't know if he's younger or older than than Amy what we do know is he was in
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her group of friends I'm assuming they're roughly the same age and has have they had any of the friends come
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forward and say this is the individual this is his name so we could at least question him and test his DNA okay well
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there's some issue with this individual okay okay um in sy's opinion his behavior Rose to the level of harassment
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or even stalking yeah and mind you this is just what she's going off of from what her sister's telling I know all
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about that these days so she tells Amy that you should file an official complaint against this guy right Amy
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tells her I'm not going to file an official Complaint because this guy is connected and connected yes it turns out
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that he is the son of the Columbus Police Chief so his DNA from what I could find has never
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been tested in Amy's case how convenient yeah wow that's a Twist and but it's strange because it
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seems like the cops are putting in the work seems like the cops are they're different departments though uh true we
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have Franklin County Sheriff's Department is investigating Amy Hooper's murder but sometimes this individual at
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the time is the son of the Columbus Police Department's police chief right not the
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current chief correct but at the time but sometimes these departments don't like each other so wouldn't it
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be well that's what I told somebody so somebody on the outside looking in on this case right um a friend of mine
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Jessica she has helped with this case and helped with some other cases in the past and she asked me she said Nick
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you're from the area I need your opinion on something because I found a suspect and I knew exactly who she was talking
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about but I wanted to hear what she had to say and so she tells me who this suspect is he she goes the what I'm
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finding is he's the son of the police chief at the time and I said yeah I'm aware of that MH and she said well
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what's your opinion would would there be good reason for Franklin County to sweep
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this under the rug and not make a move on this guy because because his father is the police chief of Columbus and I
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said look I don't have any super Insider information on that kind of stuff but being a
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local I I can't really cite one incident where I remember something like that going down I actually can cite a few
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incidences where I believe there to be somewhat of Bad Blood between the two yeah so you'd think this would be a goed
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moment hey let's bring this son of a [ __ ] and for questioning and and and let's see what how his story checks out
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maybe we can test his DNA mhm and then we could get to the bottom of it and if we have
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this if we have this son of a [ __ ] on our radar do we have I mean this is you know many years have passed my
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friend so has he done any crimes that are even remotely close to this that that we're aware of no I don't
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believe so so a complete clean record maybe a parking ticket um I can't say that with 100% certainty and and I will
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tell you why okay because the the IND which individual this is is not super clear as far as public knowledge goes
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okay but and this this will make sense once I say this to you okay the police chief has two sons so so it's not clear
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which son it is right as far as public knowledge goes it's one of the two now only people on The Insider on the inside
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circles would know which one it was okay or one that was being suspected of this
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or some type of involvement regarding the family uh who pass this tip along to to me they they do not know which one it
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would have been either it wouldn't take too much to get the DNA from both of them mhm and then have that tested
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against well it would take a warrant and I think that that's the issue do you need a warrant to get somebody's
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cup no if they're drinking out of a cup they're smoking cigarette you know and get the cigarette butt and go test that
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do you need a warrant for that um in fact you might you actually might need that now now I don't want to go too far
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into that because that's not those are semantics that I don't know or understand right I do know in DNA cases
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that we've talked about before that have been solved they did have warrants for that to to go about doing that uh that's
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a way to make sure that it doesn't fall through by the time you get to court now
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if you go and you steal this guy's DNA sample somehow they may say well you can't use
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this in court and oh the only bit of information you have is the DNA matched well now that's that's inadmissible you
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can't use that in court right right right so you've lost your whole case so the thing is what what I'm pointing out
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here is I don't see a situation where anyone has gone we're not going to talk to this guy
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because this is the job that his father has I see a situation where we have people a suspect a potential suspect I
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want to be very clear about that this is all just rumor we have a guy that could
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be a potential suspect but from law enforcement perspective they're probably going you know what that we've reached
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out and tried to talk to this guy he probably lawyered up he probably has a lawyer that says what's your evidence
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we're not going to go in there and do any questioning what's your evidence oh you can't tell us you can't specifically
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link my guy to your crime to your murder well we're not going to talk to you all
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you want DNA to clear my my client right well we're not going to we're not going
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to issue you that either unless you have a warrant so well and then on top of that you have somebody that can help him
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stay out of the system as far as Prince possibly Prince possibly DNA as far as I'm I'm sure his father now is a former
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law enforcement so but still they know people so let's just say one of these individuals got a DUI or something you
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know a cop can call in some favors so maybe that's possibly another reason why they're not in the
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system and do we have any clue of when the last time they took this DNA and ran it through the system to see if uh
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individual has been arrested yes I I've spoke to the Cold Case detective okay a couple of times
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and the family has stayed in contact with the Cold Case detective Amy Hooper's family has state in contact and
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from what I've the information that's been presented to me is that they have you're going to like this they have not
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only DNA on this case but there this is not a situation where they have questionable DNA this is not a a case
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where they're like concerned of running out of the evidence this is a situation where they
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have very good DNA on file of the perpetrator of the individual that killed Amy [Applause]
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to technology we have said on this show repeatedly that we are living in the Golden Age of solving cold cases thanks
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to DNA technology that's going on today and that wouldn't be possible without computers that's right and and while I
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don't understand science and how it works I certainly understand computers and also very opinionated on
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books that you read that's right hey so regarding this case in particular we were talking about the DNA right okay I
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am of a firm belief from from information that's been presented to me that not only do they have good DNA
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evidence against the perpetrator of this murder but they have such good DNA that they do
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not mind testing it from time to time according to the detective I've been told that they test it every few years
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to see if it matches anyone who's been put into the system and we also know that they've
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used it multiple times throughout the course of the years throughout the course of the
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Decades to clear some individuals that they were looking at as potential Suspects right but we don't know how
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they got the DNA or what the DNA is from blood semen whatever well this is one of those
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cases where look we don't know if there was a sexual assault okay according to what police have told the media in the
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newspapers they're unclear about that they they've never said that there was one or that there wasn't one right so we
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don't know that information according to Amy's family who we've spoke to they're
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a mixed bag okay um a couple of them think maybe that that could be a possibility and
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others think that it that that was not the situation but one thing we can consider is we do know a knife was
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involved and one thing that we've talked about several times on this show is that
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usually when a knife is involved sometimes the offender cuts themselves yeah you get that old slippery hand and
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Not only was the knife involved but we know that the knife was found at the scene
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so there's a chance that they've pulled the DNA from that knife and that the offender cut himself in the act of
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killing her I personally hope that he cut himself a whole bunch of times yeah seems like a oil wristed ball Fiddler in
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regards to the police chief's son I want to be very clear about something here when we talk about that situation
00:31:50
because I do not want to get ourselves into any hot water with information that we do not know because you and I talk to
00:32:01
people that work for Columbus Police Department and we don't want people showing up to our
00:32:06
house well garage and I know individuals and have friends that work for the Columbus Police Department so I do not
00:32:13
want to throw out there that's a humble brag I do not want to throw out there that we are assuming that the police
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chief covered anything up for his son right this very well could be a situation if this individual is in fact
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involved at all if they were involved there's a good chance that his father knew nothing about this right okay there
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there are many bad Sons out there that do bad things and their parents are never aware of it at all yeah sorry Dad
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so the other thing I want to talk about is another possible theory that was presented to me by the family and this
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was a theory regarding Amy's job and her position at the uh leather right store she had actually told Amy told her
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mother and her now so her mother has since remarried remember they were going through a divorce at the time of of her
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death and she was having dinner with her mother and her her mother's now husband a short time before she was
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killed and one story she was telling her mother was that there there was some struggle within her circle of friends or
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co-workers and what that struggle was Amy had knowledge that individuals were either stealing from the store or were
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planning to do so and they were trying to get her involved in this or at least turn and look the other way oh Lulu
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Lemon murders and Amy SE seemed very upset about this Amy was not going to one be
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involved and two she was not going to look the other way yeah what we do know about Amy's timeline from what she told
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her mother there was a scheduled manager's meeting at her work the day that she was murdered yeah maybe that's
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what they're going to go over in the meeting it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out that was one of these guys
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or one of these people that were stealing from the store and these could be expensive of items too yeah leather
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jackets yeah you know what 300 bucks for a leather jacket or more maybe a million well I've never own one it
00:34:38
doesn't take it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out that there's a chance that somebody may have wanted to
00:34:45
silence Amy Hooper yeah we like like I said I mean we've a little bit of a different situation but look at the Lulu
00:34:55
Lemon murders and it's same type of thing somebody is found caught stealing you know MH Jane's Addiction style well but
00:35:06
think about this too so this individual let's say it was somebody that worked with her what can we gather from that
00:35:13
one they would they would know what time she would have to be at work so from that they can go back and and probably
00:35:20
figure out what time she would be home right I don't know that they would know for a fact that she was Home Alone
00:35:27
but really this is what I picture here Captain We Could Have a Holly Brenan situation remember we talked about that
00:35:35
case where a young girl she was what 17 at the time she was stabbed to death in her kitchen when she was Home Alone yeah
00:35:44
and the theory that we presented there was that her some guy that she was seeing at the time thought that she may
00:35:52
be pregnant with his baby right and we put out a theory that there was evidence to
00:36:00
believe that his father may have gone to Holly's home with the intention of talking to her and talking her out of
00:36:08
keeping the baby yeah and when that conversation did not go the way he wanted it he lost it went off the rails
00:36:17
and attacked Holly and killed her there in her kitchen so now you have to wonder
00:36:23
do we have a situation here where it's very similar we have somebody stealing from work that's either trying to get
00:36:28
her involved or trying to get Amy to look the other way shows up to her apartment friendly knock on the door
00:36:36
right yeah we have police saying that they believe that Amy opened up the door that either she let the killer into her
00:36:44
apartment or at the very least opened up the door and then this individual confronts
00:36:51
her and tries to persuade her to not turn him in to not bring him up at the manager's meeting right or not turn in
00:37:01
his wife and she doesn't go along with that and he loses it goes off the rails and attacks her yeah could be similar
00:37:12
situation the other thing though too is we have another situation we talked about Christy Merck on the show who who
00:37:18
an individual became infatuated with her followed her back to her home was there
00:37:23
in the early morning hours broke into the home or or or simply just opened up the door and attacked her there so we
00:37:32
have two very similar situations to cases that we've covered before in the past the other thing too regarding the
00:37:39
door regarding her front door that I've always kind of questioned here we can't be certain that the door
00:37:47
was even locked right you brought up the opportunity the the opportunist the opportunity killer right of somebody
00:37:55
that just happened to spot the this attractive young woman follows her home or sees her approaching her apartment
00:38:02
realizes that she's alone and decides maybe he decides I'll just go check the door oh it's not locked and welcomes
00:38:10
himself in yeah well this case has not only does it have a situation it has a PO D has a has a Ron Ron juice it has a
00:38:19
jwow and a snooky but I think you also can't rule out this idea that she opened up the door because she
00:38:28
just knew somebody this is also a different time knock knock on the door you open it up you just don't feel
00:38:36
threatened and you and you say oh and it could be a stranger and that's how they
00:38:42
get access and yeah there's no proof that they pushed her down and pushed her through the door but what if it was just
00:38:49
they said a couple things enough to get in the door because this person we have evidence was at least willing
00:38:58
to help out not even a known friend not like a best friend but let's say acquaintance single mom acquaintance she
00:39:09
said come come live with me till you get on your feet so I think this somebody somebody like that is
00:39:18
more um susceptible to to somebody gaining access well no that's a very good point
00:39:26
we have um Amy's mother who who said to us that she isn't convinced that Amy didn't just leave her door unlocked that
00:39:35
she may have been young enough and naive enough that maybe or just forgetful enough that she left the front door
00:39:41
unlocked well if we carry that thought mother's intuition if we carry that thought a step further well maybe the
00:39:49
door was locked somebody knocked on the door we don't have any reason to believe
00:39:53
that she wouldn't have just opened up the door with that without having any proof of who it was on the other side
00:39:59
right yeah and that's what makes this case difficult but what gives you hope is the amount of DNA evidence that they
00:40:09
have that they can continue to test that one day this case is going to get softed
00:40:15
well remember what I told you so we do a a weekly meeting behind you know behind
00:40:20
the scenes meeting where we talk about upcoming cases and cases that we would like to cover and maybe reasons why we
00:40:27
should cover those cases and when I brought up hay Amy Hooper's case and I and I said to you I want to cover this
00:40:36
and it's been sitting on my shelf long enough that that it needs to be covered soon yeah and you've been able to talk
00:40:42
with her family which has been great her family's fantastic they've gone through
00:40:47
something horrible they don't have any answers and my heart my heart bleeds for them I mean I I cannot believe what
00:40:55
they've been through here's the thing though here's where I can offer hope is that when I told you on the phone in one
00:41:04
of our meetings I said not only do we need to cover it because this case is close to us in proximity but it also has
00:41:11
some closeness in our our families and in our our friends lives you know we're from somewhat the same area there some
00:41:19
of the circles were the same I mean my my mother worked at the same school as Amy's mother well and we've always said
00:41:26
that it's important to find cases that we're passionate about but also can we help at all and
00:41:34
can we move the needle at all and really by talking about some of these cases they can generate New Leads so the fact
00:41:44
that you are passionate about it and it's just a case that nobody's ever heard of outside of
00:41:50
Columbus well the other thing that I told you too is they said not only do I believe this case
00:41:56
will be solved I mean I want to be clear about this I I'm beyond belief at this point
00:42:04
this case will 100% be solved all right I'm giving you a kernel guarantee right here spicy or crispy that this thing
00:42:14
will be solved and I tell you why what we let in here with this segment with the golden age of DNA investigations
00:42:22
computers they will find this individual they have very good DNA evidence all they have to do okay you have you have
00:42:30
two angles you can go for here what you do is you go and you check for familial DNA you you do that investigation you
00:42:40
see if you can lock on to the family tree of the perpetrator and then track down the perpetrator the other angle
00:42:48
would be if that does not give you the result that you're hoping for then at the very least you would have what we
00:42:55
refer to as a snapshot DNA right which would provide you further explanation of who this offender likely is it's it's
00:43:06
almost like a criminal profile but in a sense that it's all physical and DNA makeup right so we would know for
00:43:14
certain yeah if if they have this information if they can't pinpoint the exact individual we would know for
00:43:20
certain the individual's gender we would know their ethnic background their race
00:43:26
we would know some things about their physical appearance that could take this investigation to another level and
00:43:33
that's where we are at with technology these days that could happen in this case and I'm hoping and praying that it
00:43:40
does on just imagine all the sweaty pieces of [ __ ] throughout the country sweating swea into the oldies because
00:43:52
they know that this technology is out there yeah well you you know what that's the thing that I almost find you know
00:43:59
you have to find a little bit of Silver Lining and some of this stuff we talk about so many tragic stories and so many
00:44:08
sad stories yeah on the show one thing that does bring me a good amount of joy and almost something that I I I kind of
00:44:17
laugh at is that a lot of These Guys these these these murderers that have been lucky enough okay they've they've
00:44:28
just been lucky it's not because they're smart it's not because of anything like
00:44:33
that they've just been lucky that they've been able to scrape by and not be detected yet none of them ever suspected
00:44:44
that investigation would get to this point that someday you won't be able to hide someday you won't be able to hide
00:44:53
from the horrible horrible things that you you have done from the horrible person that you actually
00:45:00
are and we will find you and you mentioned all those guys out there that are sweating sweating to the oldies
00:45:08
they're scared that they're going to be found out this is a a a primary example this
00:45:15
case will be a primary example for exactly how this technology works and how it is used to lead them to the front
00:45:24
door of the perpetrator of the murderer who was able to scrape by and hide and remained in the shadows for all these
00:45:33
years the individual might even listen to these episodes might see his victim's name on a computer and say you know what
00:45:43
I'm going to click on that right I'm going to see where the investigation is I'm going to see what they're talking
00:45:49
about well the investigation is hunting you down right now that's where this is the DNA
00:45:59
is so good in this case that they will find you and it's only a matter of time before Franklin County Sheriff's
00:46:07
Department starts using this actual technology it's only a matter of time before it leads them directly to your
00:46:13
front door now I do want to make sure before we close out here today captain that we thank Amy Hooper's family yes
00:46:21
who is still hurting all these years later they still are missing their loved one their sister their daughter Amy's
00:46:29
mother is still alive she's elderly at this point um they've moved away from the state of Ohio many years ago but her
00:46:39
family remains active in her investigation in this murder investigation they check in
00:46:47
with the sheriff's department and the sheriff's department remains active on this investigation as well so I want to
00:46:53
applaud her family foring taking the time to speak with us regarding this this cold case that we are definitely
00:47:00
passionate about that means something to us this is not something that has been lost this is not a story that's going to
00:47:07
be swept under the rug this is something that is going to get solved and we're here to remind people about it in the
00:47:15
[Applause] meantime oh crispy Colonel it's been a it's been a while since you got a little
00:47:27
tipsy well I'm dealing with some stuff that lot stuff having a hard time dealing with um so this is not a healthy
00:47:36
way of dealing with it but that's how I'm choosing to deal with it how about we do a little recommended reading
00:47:42
before we close out here today Captain this is a fantastic book it's called My 30 years as an FBI undercover agent all
00:47:52
right it's the title is Ghost my 30 years as an undercover FBI agent this is by Michael mcgan and I didn't know this
00:48:01
Captain but only about 10% of FBI special agents are trained and certified to actually work undercover now Michael
00:48:09
mgan has worked more than 50 undercover cases so he's been one of the best check
00:48:16
out his book ghost you don't have to write down that title or the author's name right now because we will put that
00:48:22
on our website for you with all of our other recommended reading books on our recommended page just go to truecar.com
00:48:30
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