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[Music] well Captain yesterday we presented the case of 19-year-old Todd Schultz and
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18-year-old Annette Cooper a young couple that is murdered in a small town in 1982 in Logan Ohio now one thing we
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also talked about a little bit about was a man named Kevin Meyer who was reported
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by his employers to the police the butcher yeah and said hey these kids were butchered this guy Kevin Meyer he's
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a weirdo he works for us and he's a butcher we think he had something to do with the murders of those two teenagers
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but what we talked the most about was a guy named Dale Johnston The Stepfather of Annette and the local rumors at the
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time was that he was molesting or had molested Annette Cooper at some point mhm and that he was either jealous of
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her relationship with Todd Schultz and killed the couple out of jealousy or he was trying to cover up the molestation
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of his stepdaughter well and let's not forget that there was a media circus in this town that's only 6,500 big mhm well
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at this point in the investigation Dale Johnston starts telling investigators as
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well as the media about Annette being involved with an older man before she died and public speculation stirs as to
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who this could have been mhm allegedly this turns out to be an officer of the law Lieutenant mauy D dun dun yeah he
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quickly becomes Under Suspicion this is because of his alleged romp with a net just weeks before her disappearance so
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she was dating Todd but the rumor is that she had ual relationships with this cop yeah there's some there's some kind
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of rumor to this and I think on the surface it looks like Dale Johnston's just kind of pointing out a possibility
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like I couldn't be the killer because guess what she was involved with somebody else and you've not spoke to
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that guy yet right what's weird about this is that when it first comes out it looks just like Dale Johnston presenting
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another option M taking suspicion off of himself where it holds a little bit of water is the people in town start
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talking and they name a name Lieutenant mauy right and I do continue to say alleged because I couldn't find any
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actual proof that the two of them had a relationship well and this gets tricky because in such a small town the rumor
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mill Works fast and it's kind of like the game of telephone so all you have to do is and and maybe the stepfather knew
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this maybe he knew all you had to do was put out the rumor and that rumor would grow and grow and grow so that rumor
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could have been started by the allegations I love small towns Captain I always have always will but the thing
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that I've always said about small towns is what's really great about this small town is everybody knows everybody what's
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really bad about this small town is everybody knows everybody MH meaning like you just said if there's rumors
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about me or you everybody in the town has heard them if you or I got any business going on everybody knows our
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business there's plenty of rumors about us on the internet well here's the other
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weird thing regarding this lieutenant mauy and if they actually had any kind of relationship or if he had any
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involvement in their disappearance and murder right so listen to this we have two witnesses that come forward and this
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is a father and son that come forward they say that they saw someone matching Lieutenant mau's description emerging
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from the cornfield in which the bodies were later found on the early morning of October 5th so the morning after the
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young couple were last seen now we also have this ongoing situation we have Jill
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and Dan Fry who continue reporting that Kevin Meyer is the person they should be
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looking at that authorities should be looking at and they have some new and interesting tidbits to report to police
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this time they are telling police that Dan Fry intentionally got Kevin Meers drunk and during the course of that
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evening Kevin Meyer he had said undisclosed unreported information concerning the double
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homicide to Dan Fry and they report this to police so do we know what this information is no and
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I'll tell you why several reasons one as soon as this report comes out M Kevin Meyer quits his job about time I don't
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know how much of this was trickling down to the media I don't know how much of this was behind the scenes right or we
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also have to keep in mind if if it was making its way to the media Kevin Meyer may not have known at the time that the
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accusations were coming from his employers right and and also this is a very small town I mean I worked uh at a
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lumber yard one time and probably 90% of the employees were from Logan and they had to drive about an hour and a half to
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get to work so there's not really job there's not even to this day there's not a lot of jobs there right and it is
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great little town but Kevin could have been going I don't care who the rumors are coming from I need a job not only
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does he quit his job but he also leaves the town of Logan moving away and he hires an
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attorney and he moves away even though he's still considered a suspect at this time right now a little fishy the
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victims uh were eventually buried in separate cemeteries and during both burials there was Heavy media coverage
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and then a public Halloween party is held in downtown Logan to help boost the spirits of the Logan citizens and
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Lieutenant mauy is promoted to Captain then we have trick-or Treat night is set for daylight hours due to the murders
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you know nobody wants to send their kids out after dark or as the Sun is setting
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when we still have a murderer on the loose hacking County seals Annette and Todd's autopsy reports this is to keep
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them from the media while the media reports more public opinion of devil worshippers killing the teens right and
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then there were rumors of cattle mutilations dating back all the way to the 1970s and a lot of people suspected that
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the cattle mutilations of the 70s were connected to the double murders of 1982 yeah and they're probably more connected
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to Quay luds well then we have Annette's biological father Ben Cooper he makes the Spotlight
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by giving interviews and blaming the murders on Dale Johnston Sheriff Jones brings in a
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psychic this is Shirley Saunders now wait so we have two this is what's a little strange about this case
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okay first off we have a man Dale Johnson who's considered to be an outsider considered to be different than
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the people of Logan and when he has nobody else to turn to who does he turn to he turns to a psychic I mean if
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you're already the guy that's labeled as different right in a small town you don't go well I found one person to
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support me and it's this guy that says he's a psychic MH that seems a weird thing but that backfires on him because
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his psychic friend then tells Dale Johnson and the media look I think you killed them uh and and I'm taking the
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police's side here now we have the sheriff himself bringing in their own psychic this this is going to sound very
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strange but I tried and I spent a lot maybe way too much time on this one aspect of this case this individual
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Shirley Saunders and it's kind of a common name so that does not help when I was trying to research this but a couple
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of the things that I found Captain she's labeled as a FBI psychic like she either
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is employed or contracted by the FBI to go into these areas and give psychic readings or or tell us her her insights
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we know that there has been mediums and stuff that have worked for law enforcement before and then on top of
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that we know that a lot of detectives will use psychics not necessarily that they have to believe in them but just
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that sometimes by getting a reading they're getting a outside perspective of possibly where they could look
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especially if a case goes cold well and I couldn't believe that the FBI would would employ a psychic or somebody
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to be in that hold that title of psychic as a job title for the FBI as a full-time employee I wouldn't be shocked
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if they're contracted on occasion but I couldn't find any information on this Shirley Saunders I was hoping maybe she
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went on to write a book or something where her her credentials would be outright stated other than this could
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this could just be public opinion where somebody stated this wrong and again certain aspects of this case have become
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local Legend and folklore well maybe they reported it wrong maybe she works for the
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fpi right the federal psychic institution well and maybe she's brought in from out of town and people had
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already seen the FBI coming in from out of town and thought she must be FBI right well she reports she came in with
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her crystal ball everybody's like [ __ ] must be the FBI well she reports to Sheriff Jones now Sheriff Jones is the
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one that brought her there and she reports to Jones that Dale Johnston is innocent in her mind and that the
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murders were committed by two killers and not one well just let the let them go well this is not going to sway the
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sheriff he he still believes that Dale is the killer and his team of investigators gather more damaging
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reports of Dale a lot of these they're starting to get stories of Dale owning a large amount of knives and guns and we
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know that they were shot we know that the victims were dismembered um so this does not look good for him now we have
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31-year-old Mike jividen he alleges that Dale Johnston is a is a Satanist or at least involved in satanic activity right
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he doesn't base this off of anything well I can't say that he doesn't base it I don't know what he's basing this off
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of a dream but he he doesn't he doesn't put forth any concrete evidence to to back up this statement this this again
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we just have another person that lives in the area coming forward with information that we have no way of
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deciphering if it's true or false right and again with this town being so small the rumor mill is going to just keep
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going and keep going then we have another individual and I'm going to totally screw up his name I I can't
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figure this one out 25-year-old Scott fujit I think fugette I'll spell itug if anybody wants to look this up sounds
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great uh fug I'm probably getting that completely wrong but so this 25-year-old man named
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Scott he reports that Dale Johnston fired shots at him when he rode his motorcycle on Dale's property MH uh this
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again not looking good for Dale at a town meeting this is a town meeting of 250 citizens they are vocally outraged about
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the killer not being apprehended and the lack of police officers in Logan so this
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would fully point out the fears of the citizens of Logan at that time not only are they saying hey we're afraid because
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you haven't arrested anybody but we're also afraid because we don't think there's enough law enforcement in this
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area but we know that they we know that they were getting help from the Columbus
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PD unofficially right and and maybe Sheriff Jones didn't want that quote unquote help MH now the
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meeting ended with the citizens of Logan demanding the arrest and conviction of the major suspect who they consider to
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be the major suspect Dale Johnston regardless of conflicting views and regardless of the lack of evidence and
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we've seen this in Ohio before up North with old Dr Shephard right the the you know the public outrage and so then it's
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weird how public outrage actually gets the criminal justice system moving yeah it it's the the public uh controlling
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the hand of the law or the media directing the hand of the law well the sheriff's department shows up at Dale
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Johnston's property this is unannounced so he's butt naked well what I will say in his defense here one thing that
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points good for him in his Direction they show up unannounced and Dale says go ahead
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and search the property he's he's willing to let them he doesn't fight it you know he doesn't say no you need to
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come back with a warrant um they don't specify by the state of circumstantial evidence but they what they state is
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that circumstantial evidence was retrieved from the edge of the property that links The Stepfather to the actual
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murder all right let's talk about this here Captain because we have no list of what
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this circumstantial evidence is it doesn't exist but I like I I think this is where
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you have the sheriff's department going look we did a search and we found some stuff yeah we found some [ __ ] boys okay
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so the the citizens have pushed our hand now we're going to release this information conveniently to the media
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which is again going it's going to keep the cycle going it's going to keep the circle going right mhm you wanted us to
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find evidence we found it well then we have a statement that's very interesting and this is where I think we can come up
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with an idea of what that circumstantial evidence may or may not be we have FBI ballistics expert this is Thomas
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Nicholson he reports publicly that Dale Johnston quote might have committed the murders all right well what is this
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guy's job he's a ballistics EX expert right M that's tough that's tough to say heis well we also have this guy earlier
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that says hey I was riding my motorcycle on Dale Johnson's property and he fired
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a couple shots at me mhm my idea here is that maybe they recovered bullet casings
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from somewhere and these bullets could have been 22 caliber right and it could have been on the edge of the property
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because he was shooting at a guy to get off his land or somebody not Dale Johnston was shooting their gun on the
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edge of his property Dale Johnson's property is depending on which report you read it varies from 52 acres to 54
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Acres I I I labeled it as 53 just to be consistent so very clever dude 53 acre property you can't you don't know what
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the hell's going on on your property that's a huge amount of land anybody could be on the edge of your property
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firing a gun at any time now let's say it did come from let's say it was from Daryl Dale Johnston target shooting
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shooting hunting animals or shooting at this motor this motorcyclist yeah or he could be going out there you know with
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his dong flapping in the wind and he's just firing bullets up in the air you know and I think he has the right to
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it's his land but a 22 is an extremely extremely common gun yes um and and to the point where that's you have the FBI
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ballistics expert Thomas Nicholson stating Johnston might have committed the murders and he's basing that I I
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believe off of them finding casings of 20 of 22 caliber bullets on the property at some point also seems like they
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haven't done the test yet because the test would prove if it was that gun or not well that's why I think he had to
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publicly say might because I bet you they did do the test and they didn't match but because they were the same
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Cali of gun he's saying well he had access to a 22 we can't prove that they're the
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came from the same gun right but maybe they couldn't prove that they didn't come from the same gun therefore he
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might have the the thing that the reason why I include these tidbits though Captain is all of this stuff is finding
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its way to the media there's nothing that happens in this case that doesn't get released publicly I mean they they
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did lock up the autopsies they did seal the autopsies but outside of that any little inkling anybody had of Dale
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Johnson being guilty Finds Its way to the newspapers right which is very interesting to me because in Ohio we
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have another set of murders that people have been talking about a lot is the Pike County murders mhm and and that's a
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very very small town and there's not there's not much happening in the media about that case no so it's kind of the
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reverse now we also have Dr Luis Robins a forensic anthropologist reports that Dale Johnson's boot matches the print
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found at the crime scene and then we have 19-year-old Steve Ry this is Todd Schultz's cousin he comes forward as a
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possible eyewitness later he is hypnotized by police and well not by an actual police officer but I'm sure they
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hired somebody to hypnotize this individual and during this interview he says that he saw Dale Johnston Force the
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two teens into a car on the evening of October 4th so now we have eyewitness we have an eyewitness that vocal that that
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names David Johnston or Dale Johnston now Dale is interrogated he's he's picked up for this he's interrogated in
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what is later reported as a smoke filled room for 7 to 8 hours during this and I
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don't think this was by Choice captain during this he's wearing nothing but undershorts and socks he's feeling good
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well they basically tell him to strip down he wants to get in his element and they're going to interview him in his
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undershorts and socks and the reason they did this they were convinced that they would find some kind of markings on
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him scrapes bruises something that that would have been defensive wounds there was no there's no sign of trauma to his
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body at all he well there's signs of trauma to my body he continues to deny the allegations against him agent
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remember agent Henry from the FBI he disapproves he publicly comes out and disapproves of the way that detective
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Thompson interrogated Dale Johnston he called it barbaric right but he he has his suspect in his sights right right so
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I mean this is a classic example of people getting tunnel vision and not jumping on board during this
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interrogation uh the Logan police detective constantly he just kept telling Johnston to confess we know that
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you killed the kids you know that you killed the kids you need to confess you need to make this right um make it
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easier on yourself and he kept in he kept reminding him that the town was in fear the whole town was in fear can you
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help us out by confessing to this so that the town can contined to go on and he said hold on a second let me take off
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my socks well they also brought in Sarah his wife and they brought in his other stepdaughter Michelle Michelle was
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reportedly kept in a room for eight hours for a solid eight hours and what I mean by that is during that that eight
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hours she had nothing to eat she had no restroom breaks and according to Sarah her mother she said they just grilled
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and grilled and grilled Michelle until she finally just shut down uh she just wouldn't respond to anything right and
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like that's what we're talking about um the other day on off the Record is you know if you're if you don't have any
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information or they're accusing you of a crime and you claim that you're innocent
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how many times should you have to claim this before they're forced to leave you alone and I'm curious as to her age we I
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know that she was not an adult I believe that she would have been 15 or 16 at this time now what her mother Sarah
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would later tell us is that the police the sheriff's department they were angry they that they couldn't get anything out
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of Michelle they got nothing out of her out of eight hours of grilling her she confessed to nothing right and Sarah
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says that what they wanted her to say was that she was there that she had witnessed the the two being killed or
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saw them after they were killed and that the mother Sarah had cut up the bodies or helped her husband Dale cut up the
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bodies yeah it's and if you have no evidence of this and you they must have believed that
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this is how it went down to try to get this teenager to turn on her mother I mean it's one thing to turn on your
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stepfather especially with the rumors around town but to turn on your mother as well that makes me really question if
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Dale's guilty or not I almost feel like this poor girl that's grilled for 8 hours it could have been easy to turn on
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your stepfather especially if there was actually any kind of molestation or or sexual abuse going on in the
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household how long would it take you to tell him hey yeah I do think he did it maybe I didn't see anything but I still
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think he did it you know so it makes me question his guilt but he's arrested Dale Johnson is arrested he's denied
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bail the same day that he is arrested Michelle the other daughter is picked up and placed in foster care this is in
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another County they take her out of the area and we have the the wife that remains Sarah she is basically
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ostracized in town right Sheed to murder cuz she married a murderer and now they
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don't and they think maybe she's involved so they take her daughter away the town's people seem to think that she
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is involved and maybe the police just don't have anything on her in the course of weeks man this woman Sarah lost her
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daughter to to being murdered mhm her husband to the arrest of that murder and her daughter to foster
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for Dale Johnston neared Sarah Johnston she continues to be harassed by police and the public she was let go from her
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job at a doctor's office she was a receptionist there her car insurance was cancelled this is the right this is the
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lengths that that this news spread to yeah the people that insured her car for her to drive cancelled her car insurance
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they said we don't want you as a customer we don't want your money we will no longer insure you as a driver um
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if she went into a store she was told to leave so again being ostracized by the entire town that's awful and then she
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starts having panic attacks we pointed out before the break all that she lost in a short period of time she starts
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having severe panic attacks if she's secluded for so long that could become you can get a lot of social anxiety from
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being secluded at some point she sent off for treatment because she decided in a haze of probably severe
00:31:04
depression yeah I mean let's let's keep in mind let's let's forget that her husband's been locked up let's keep in
00:31:12
mind her daughter's been murdered right regardless of who did it her daughter has been killed at the young age of 18
00:31:19
years old and her other daughter was taken from her taken from her home she's not allowed to see she's lost both of
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her children I think the key thing here is the reason that you wouldn't feel sorry for her is if you think she's
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involved but there is zero evidence of her being involved well like I said in and what can only be assumed in a moment
00:31:42
of severe depression she decides that the town the prosecutor the police the sheriff the judges yeah people ow the
00:31:52
mayor she she decided that these people must have conspired against her and that they may
00:31:59
have killed her daughter and arrested her husband and taken away her other daughter she makes up a list of people
00:32:06
that are in power in the town of Logan and she intends to kill people that are on that list she actually came up with a
00:32:14
plan that there was there was a place and a location that most of these individuals were going to be at the same
00:32:22
time and she was trying to figure out a way to plant a bomb at that location now
00:32:28
she is kind of so far gone by this point she starts to tell people of these homicidal Tendencies and thoughts that
00:32:37
she's having yeah and thank God for that that's that's something we have said a billion times over and over on this show
00:32:44
if you are thinking things that you think are strange right tell somebody tell somebody because you you can get
00:32:51
help and you can't look if she would have planted that bomb or figured out a way to do so we would have a whole whole
00:32:57
another story to tell here right and yes I'm sure it make a great episode but all
00:33:03
jokes aside if you do feel like you're having thoughts that are not normal the first step that you can do is to talk to
00:33:11
somebody that you trust and it might take a lot of power and effort but say to them I think I need a little help and
00:33:19
sometimes by releasing that uh to a loved one that they can come around and they can give you the help that you need
00:33:26
she eventually is sent away for treatment and I believe that this treatment lasted 8 or 9 months and a lot
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of it I'm assuming Captain was probably a good amount of grief counseling uh which would have been much needed for
00:33:41
her to set her back on the right path so good for her and good for the people that helped her and mind you not only is
00:33:48
there no evidence but there's not even hearsay evidence the only thing they that they had was the idea that they
00:33:55
were trying to get the daughter to to make up some story that that she was there and that she uh conspired in this
00:34:03
murder well regarding Dale's trial he opts for a three judge panel instead of a jury trial I think this is a smart
00:34:12
move on his behalf he also requests for a change of venue which normally I think
00:34:18
would be granted seeing how there's been so much rumor and accusation amongst the
00:34:23
citizens of Logan as well as the media coverage that surrounded the story however this change of venue is denied
00:34:31
also denied were his motions to find and present the idea that the death penalty
00:34:36
is unconstitutional because they were going to sentence him to death if they found
00:34:41
him guilty now the trial begins as a fist fight on the courthouse steps between relatives of the friends I'm
00:34:51
sorry between relatives and Friends of both victims and the reason why this is an interesting thing here
00:34:59
because you don't typically have this in a lot of murder trials both of the victims here their families and friends
00:35:06
are made up of people that that are also on one side friends and family of somebody being accused of the double
00:35:12
homicide right this fist fight breaks out the the police the sheriff they're having a hard time kind of keeping Law
00:35:19
and Order and organization here the the courtroom and the hallways were standing
00:35:23
room only we also have dozens of citizens out front of the courthouse picking each day that the trial went on
00:35:32
and they're picking for a conviction of Dale Johnston they're screaming get her done when opening arguments commence uh
00:35:40
there is to say the least heavy media coverage and armed security in and outside of the courtroom the three
00:35:48
judges along with the prosecutor defense Witnesses and Dale they all go to the Johnston phone farm and to the riverbank
00:35:58
and to the cornfield area a little field trips so to speak and this is so that everybody can see the areas in question
00:36:06
the defense presents a valid perspective regarding the weakness of the state's case while showing multiple suspects
00:36:14
that who could have equally been as guilty as Dale Johnston the defense also presents the theory that Satanist killed
00:36:21
the victims the judges permitted testimony from a specific Witness this is key to this trial this is the witness
00:36:30
Steve Ry we've talked about him already now to go a little bit more in depth with him the first time that Steve Ryan
00:36:37
was interviewed by sheriff's deputies he was not sure of the day that he was quoting he was not sure who the kids
00:36:46
were that he saw when he later referred to the teenagers that went missing and were murdered or who the person was with
00:36:54
the kids that he saw so really he knew nothing he was also captain on paper this is on in the police report he's
00:37:03
also not sure of the kind of vehicle that he saw basically what he says is he comes forward to the police to the
00:37:10
sheriff's deputies and say I have some information that might help the case this is before the arrest was made right
00:37:17
he says I saw two people with some guy getting into a car and I'm not really sure what day it was on but it was in
00:37:27
that cornfield where you found those kids right well the sheriff's department that's when they decide to hypnotize him
00:37:34
because sometimes you can hypnotize somebody and draw details out of what they can't seem to remember all right so
00:37:41
we have get out your crystal ball already in this case and then on top of that get out your pocket watch and
00:37:48
you're getting sleepy very sleepy well what happens here Captain is that Steve Ry who would eventually test testify at
00:37:57
Dale Johnston's trial and which led to the arrest of Dale Johnston after he spoke to detective Thompson several
00:38:06
times and was hypnotized now all of a sudden he is telling in his statement his latest statement is I saw Anette
00:38:15
Cooper and Todd Schultz who eventually were murdered forced into a vehicle and it was Dale Johnston that forced him
00:38:25
into Dale Johnston's vehicle in that area on the day that they went missing well you know what this is right this is
00:38:31
a Halloween Miracle that's right well this is going to lead to Dale Johnston being convicted and sentenced to death
00:38:42
he is going to appeal this and he's actually lucky I believe that he got the death penalty now keep in mind this is
00:38:49
Ohio back in the early 80s so he sentenced to sit on the electric chair yeah these appeals will eventually Grant
00:38:59
him a new trial and this is because the prosecutor and investigators it becomes known that they withheld statements and
00:39:06
evidence from Johnston's defense team that could have cast major doubt on his guilt and that they failed this is the
00:39:15
investigators failed to pursue leads that could have helped to exonerate him and what that means is investigators
00:39:23
when they took tips when that phone was ringing off the hook they were listening
00:39:27
to the ones that said hey I saw Dale Johnston do something right they weren't really working the leads that said hey I
00:39:33
saw something else going on and it didn't include Dale Johnson right like I've said before it's it's classic
00:39:39
tunnel vision well it was determined at a new trial captain that Johnson should have been found not guilty based on the
00:39:47
withheld evidence which included eyewitness testimony that placed other individuals at the cornfield and not
00:39:54
Johnston as well as the a testimony that was ultimately ruled that should not have been allowed at trial since it was
00:40:01
only brought about by hypnosis So eventually Johnson is freed in 1990 now he would go after the state for a
00:40:10
wrongful imprisonment claim in 1993 this is denied by the state and technically well it's denied on multiple
00:40:20
occasions and technically to kind of sum it up best that I can Johnston still to
00:40:27
this day has not received a scent from the state for the years that he spent not only in prison but on death row and
00:40:34
why I find it so hilarious it'd be like giving me the power where I could punch you and then I say well I know I punched
00:40:41
you but you can't sue me well and the thing too is that there was language that was put into law at a later date
00:40:51
that basically says people like Dale Johnson while technically as it's written somebody that's wrongfully
00:40:58
convicted can and should be rewarded money by the state however they've put language into that that it's they make
00:41:06
it damn near impossible that you're going to get paid for anything and the sad part of this to me and we still got
00:41:13
a bunch to get through is that but before Dale Johnson was sentenced to death in
00:41:19
1984 he had a wife he had kids he owned 53 acres of land he had no debt he had no pants on but when he was released he
00:41:30
was released as a free man and he had nothing other than an old pickup truck that was given to him by his lawyer look
00:41:38
if you're going to take the the right away to be sued if you put the wrong person in
00:41:45
prison then you need to spend more time trying to put the right person in prison
00:41:52
amen I also want to point out too we talked about his wife Sarah going and seeking treatment because she was had
00:41:59
fallen on Hard Times to say the very least they would end up getting a divorce and I think this should point
00:42:06
out to whom I believe the real Dale Johnston to be they got a divorce because of him he had nobody he's on
00:42:14
death row he had nobody and he told his wife who it seems like he loved very much right he said to her he said Sarah
00:42:22
we need to get a divorce because I'm locked up I'm the monster that they locked up the monster that they think I
00:42:28
am they locked me away but you're on the outside and everybody thinks you are a monster and you've been ostracized from
00:42:35
town and everybody hates you and you having my last name and you being married to me is going to destroy the
00:42:43
rest of your life he says to her I would much rather have a friend that I got a divorce from than to have a wife that
00:42:52
ends up committing suicide and that was the path she was on on yeah and even once he was released she continued as
00:43:00
well as her daughter Michelle the living daughter they continued to support Dale
00:43:06
Johnston all of this time through all of his appeals and through uh his release they were there to greet him we should
00:43:13
point out too remember Michelle who was taken from her mother's home placed into
00:43:17
the foster care system in a different County when she was 15 or 16 years old and the day that she turned 18 and was
00:43:25
released from Foster Care where did she go back home right back to her mother right back to her mother and that again
00:43:33
kind of points out that maybe some of these rumors weren't true maybe they just were not true well Johnson after
00:43:40
he's released and he's broke and he has no land nothing he does go to live with his mother in the village of Asheville
00:43:47
Pickaway County which is 20 mil south of Columbus yeah um he said that he still was receiving quite a bit of prejudice
00:43:56
from the people of that area and he decided that Asheville was not going to be where he stayed he was still very
00:44:03
much under a cloud of Suspicion you know and that even the people that didn't believe that he was guilty of murder
00:44:11
they still thought and still suspected him of molesting his stepdaughter before her death he would eventually try to
00:44:18
move on with his life uh while in prison he did commit his and his life to Jesus
00:44:24
and after his release he actually became a head Usher at the First Baptist Church
00:44:29
in Grove City Ohio and later a member of the congregation this is Roberta Crocker
00:44:34
she took a liking to the Head Usher she said in an article quote he was a handsome
00:44:41
dude so in 1998 if I ever get married again I hope she says hey he's one handsome dude I would just love to be
00:44:50
described as a handsome dude I strive to be a handsome D I want to make a shirt with your face on it that says handsome
00:44:57
dude well I'll give you the short of it Captain uh Roberta and Johnson's relationship grew serious over the years
00:45:04
eventually they were married uh in June of 2000 and they lived in a home in Grove City Ohio this was not without
00:45:12
Roberta's son's blessing who is Brian Corbett which was the pastor at the First Baptist Church he had heard the
00:45:20
rumors and even heard Johnston talking about uh spending time at Lucasville which everybody in Ohio knows hey
00:45:28
Lucasville is not just a prison it's maximum security and oh yeah there's death row there too yeah so he did a lot
00:45:35
spent a lot of time with Dale Johnson getting to know him before he gave his Blessing for the the marriage to his
00:45:42
mother the strange thing here though Captain is after he's released after Johnson's release this technically
00:45:49
becomes a Cold Case yeah and people would still speculate as to Johnston's guilt an a person that refuses to
00:45:57
there's an evil person that continues to haunt True Crime garage and his name is
00:46:02
William wickline yeah he has been considered a suspect in this case by the public for many years once this became a
00:46:10
cold case and he is William the butcher wickline is his nickname he's an animal he was found guilty of murdering
00:46:17
decapitating and dismembering Chris and Peggy Lurch and he was free at the time of Annette Cooper and Todd Schultz's
00:46:26
murder yeah and so he was long suspected of this case he has been executed by the
00:46:32
state of Ohio so good luck investigating that at the time yeah if you haven't looked up Wick line you should because
00:46:38
he is I mean he is a scary monster you could if you wanted to write a a a murder book or a mystery book right you
00:46:46
could you could look up his life and base uh a criminal or a murderer after him and have a have a good selling book
00:46:54
now out of nowhere captain there is a break in the Long Cold Case this didn't come until June of
00:47:00
2007 this is when a woman Sandy Linscott she is visiting her probation officer and they're talking through some things
00:47:09
and she says to her probation officer I think that 25 years ago that those two people that were murdered Todd and
00:47:18
Annette I think they were at my house the night that they disappeared and I think that they left with my husband and
00:47:26
a man that she she didn't know his name she described the man as looking like a chipmunk okay okay so you want to be
00:47:33
described as a handsome dude and not a chipmunk right note to self well her husband is Kenny lindscott we've heard
00:47:41
that name before haven't we he was the man in the cornstalks that were watching the police when they found the bodies
00:47:48
yeah and they question Kenny Linds Scott that the one with the cut and she says when her husband Kenny came home that he
00:47:55
was covered in blood and he had a bad cut to his arm but he refused to discuss what had
00:48:03
happened investigators very quickly zeroed in on Kenny lindscott and then they also zeroed in on the man that
00:48:09
looked like a chipmunk and this was Chester mcnight who was in prison for possession of child pornography and
00:48:17
attempting to arrange sex with an under undercover officer posing as a teenage girl real winner now ly Scott Kenny
00:48:26
lindscott told investigators that there was a chance a small chance that the murdered couple had been at his house
00:48:33
that night and that he might have even been in the cornfield with them that night but he said he did not kill them
00:48:41
okay but what happens is once they zero in on this mcnight guy that's in prison already he very quickly says I killed
00:48:48
them and Lind Scott help me really yeah so do you want to hear how this goes down yeah but do we have a why we do and
00:48:58
this is this is what is so sad about this our show and about our world and about these
00:49:06
stories a lot of times it's very clear that these murders are just senseless that there are people that are wiped off
00:49:14
of this Earth that are taken from their loved ones way too young and almost for no reason at all or reasons that don't
00:49:22
make sense to to good people to good normal people right this is the story that was told to
00:49:27
police that on the evening of October 4th 1982 Todd and Annette went to a local smalltime drug dealer's house this
00:49:36
is Kenny lindscott the thought was that they were there to purchase a small amount of marijuana and have a couple of
00:49:43
beers they're just going to have a little party a little get together they're adults we've all been there the
00:49:48
drug dealer Kenny lindscott he had his friend at the house this is Chester mcnight at the the time mcnight was a
00:49:56
Drifter who was also nicknamed Chester the Molester well all right this this is really sad that the young couple was
00:50:08
lured to a cornfield near Kenny linscott's house allegedly after more partying went down mcnight was high on
00:50:16
LSD and cocaine and he told Linscott that he was planning on raping Annette and it sounds like Kenny
00:50:24
Linscott was into doing the same the four of them left Lin Scott's house and when they left Lins Scott handed a 22
00:50:32
caliber revolver to Chester mcnight and he said if Todd Schultz puts up a fight use this gun to control him well they
00:50:43
did start to assault Annette and as expected Todd Schultz came to her rescue and started to protect his girlfriend
00:50:52
right and so MCN mcnight shot Todd six times twice in the head and Annette started to scream and that's when
00:51:01
mcnight panicked and shot her in the head and neck the men then grabbed a machete from ly Scott's garage they
00:51:09
stripped the bodies um mcnight masturbated over the body of the female victim wasn't prepared for that and
00:51:19
lyncott held the limbs while mcnight cut away at the bodies at one point mcnight
00:51:25
apparently slipped badly cutting Kenny Linds Scott's arm the men then lugged the torsos to the river bank and threw
00:51:33
them into the Hawking River apparently the men washed up in the river and went back to Kenny linscott's house
00:51:40
afterwards mcnight says he let the body parts lie saying that he left the home at some point and that at some point
00:51:49
Kenny Linscott must have returned to the cornfield and buried the remaining limbs
00:51:55
investigators withheld a witness report that a man not Johnston followed the couple into the cornfield and then heard
00:52:03
gunshots and screams that man that was reported to police back in 1982 was Kenny lindscott but the caller
00:52:12
didn't know Kenny linscott's name right this was the lead that should have been followed up on instead of honing in on
00:52:20
Dale Johnson on September 2nd 2008 mcnight and Lin Scott were both indicted on charges of aggravated murder mcnight
00:52:28
demanded lethal injection to pay for his sins but later ultimately accepted a pair of life sentences he will die in
00:52:38
prison with the case against him shaky given mcnight varying stories so keep that in mind mcnight was giving multiple
00:52:45
stories and confessions it had been a long time you know it had been over 20 years right Lind Scott 48 years of age
00:52:55
at the time pled guilty to abuse of a corpse and was released from prison after only serving 10 months so to put
00:53:04
this in perspective Dale Johnson Who Killed Nobody served a longer sentence in prison for the death of his
00:53:13
stepdaughter and her boyfriend then Kenny lindscott who participated actively and willingly participated in
00:53:21
events that led up to the murder and led to the sealment of the murders right Johnson served more time than this guy
00:53:29
he lost everything and then Kenny lincot gets 10 months and both these killers actually
00:53:38
remained free after killing these two young people longer than the victims lived on this planet it's a sad sad set
00:53:48
of circumstances but just because there's arrest in this case that doesn't mean there's Justice right there there
00:53:55
actually feels like there was no justice in this case now Kenneth Robert lindscott of Logan Ohio passed away on
00:54:03
Monday November 25th 2013 at the age of [Music] 52 do you have any recommended reading
00:54:24
for us this week you know that I do Captain this week we are recommending the acid King by Jessie P poock very
00:54:31
very exciting stuff Captain I cannot lie though I have not actually read this book because it just came out yesterday
00:54:38
but I have ordered my copy and Jesse is a great author and a good friend of our show we've had him on before the captain
00:54:45
had him join the captain on our other great show off the Record and the acid King is about a murder in a small town
00:54:53
that local police in the the international press dubbed a satanic sacrifice the short of it four teens
00:55:00
went into the woods and only three came out the long of it the murder became the
00:55:05
subject of several popular songs and tv specials addressing the issue of whether
00:55:10
or not American teens were practicing Satanism and debating the symbolism in songs by ACDC and Azie Osborne so make
00:55:19
sure you check out the acid King and support our buddy Jesse p poock and thanks to all of you for supporting the
00:55:25
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