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crime January 1994 the small town of Southshore Kentucky in the immediate surrounding areas had only
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experienced a total of four homicides in the previous 5 years not a bad Run for the Sleepy communities in Greenup County
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the town of Southshore is one of the very northernmost points in the state of Kentucky but the name is far from
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strange in fact it is spoton considering the town sits on the Southshore of the great Ohio River back in January of9 4
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the small town had a population of about 1,300 people and as stated only four homicides in the 5 years and this
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included surrounding areas but in January of 1994 Southshore PD would catch two more the first was
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that of 20-year-old Michelle kraic her boyfriend Robert Scott Robinson drove the unconscious Michelle kratic to the
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hospital saying that there had been an accident there Vigilant Hospital workers notified police their suspicion was that
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the young woman had been beaten nearly to death police quickly pieced together that she had in fact been attacked by
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the boyfriend at their home that they had shared together for Just 4 months sadly Michelle passed away at King's
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daughter's Medical Center just Days Later Robinson was later convicted for the murder and sentenced by a jury of
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his peers but then just days after Robinson drove his girlfriend to the hospital and
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several months before his conviction a body was discovered this time it was a body that
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someone left in the snow this is a murder so cold the unsolved murder of Evelyn Fleck and this is true crime
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garage [Music] we are going back to 1994 we have a true crime story for you this week that depending on who you
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speak with this homicide case is varying degrees of cold some might tell you that
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it's frigid others telling us that it's active and they are just one step away from finally making an arrest but it
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starts with a body that is discovered outside in the cold this is during a time when Northern Kentucky was hit with
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blizzard likee conditions we're going to the morning of January 21st 1994 when a man is out walking his dog
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and notices that a neighbor's door to their home is left wide open so this neighbor decides to investigate upon
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further review this person finds a body in the backyard of this neighboring property now it may seem strange to some
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for a neighbor to investigate just seeing a door left open we've all left doors open to carry in items or maybe by
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mistake but in this situation we have frigid temperatures so this area is just coming out of blizzard-like conditions
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for about a week's time time this area of the country experienced snow ice and subzero temperatures in fact nine people
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had died during the course of this week so what we have here is a concerned neighbor sees that a door is left open
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in a situation where people are passing because of the weather conditions and looking to just check in and be
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neighborly and finds a body in the backyard of his neighbor's home home well and also locals reported that this
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neighbor was really fond of the phrase what were you born in a barn the Southshore Kentucky police department
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and Emergency Services gets the call now initially when they get the call the Call Comes in they're kind of under the
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assumption that the person that they will be responding to had likely froze to death however shortly after arriving
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on the scene it's quickly determined that this is in fact the homicide that they're responding to that is because
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the person that they find is out in the snow but this poor woman is found in the
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backyard with a refrigerator on top of her this is from the Lexington Herald a Southshore woman was found dead beneath
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a refrigerator in her backyard marking the second violent death in Southshore area in a week a neighbor found the nude
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body of Evelyn Louis Fleck at her Main Street house Greenup County coroner Robert Green said
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he had not yet determined the cause of death we should also note here captain that Fleck also had a lawn chair on top
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of her as well this is stated by the police this situation she's found nude and unfortunately we have multiple
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sources that are telling us some vaguely different information so so some of the
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information we get states that she was actually found on the back porch of the home and other sources saying she was in
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the backyard either way we've narrowed down the general location of where she was found the refrigerator that was
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found on top of her is always referred to as an old refrigerator so this was just an old junk
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refrigerator that I'm guessing whoever perpetrated this homicide didn't need to move that refri
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refigerator very far it may have already been on the back porch of that home waiting to be disposed of and the per
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toss this onto her hoping to possibly conceal the body well that's the question right you have a dead body you
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have a refrigerator on top you have a lawn chair on top is this to hide the body conceal the body or is
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this just to to destroy the victim yes a maniac who's just furthering the the Damage Done yeah she's going to be
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covered in snow too we talked about the weather conditions in this area but we've also reviewed some cases where
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somebody tried to conceal a body in the trunk of a vehicle and that vehicle sat outside for an extended period of time
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now while trying to conceal the body what in fact they did was protect physical evidence so when we sit here
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today and review a case that again varying degrees of cold depending on who you talk to is now 30 years old and we
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live in the Golden Age of solving crimes via DNA and physical evidence I'm hoping that if this person
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thought that they could conceal the body by tossing this refrigerator pushing it
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over on top of this poor woman that I hope it protected some of the physical evidence from the
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elements that evening and we'll go back in time to create a timeline here on when we think the actual homicide took
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place well I think you have a good point there could these items protect some of
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the DNA left on the victim or was there DNA left on these items when they were being thrown onto the victim and with
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the victim being found nude under the refrigerator you have to then wonder if a sexual assault took place and if it
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did that is where we might be able to solve this case all these years later I like your definition of this perpetrator
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of the murderer a maniac it's a word that we probably don't use enough in True Crime South Shore is a smaller
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Community about, 1300 people in the early 90s populated the town so if you're police and you're responding to a
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call and it's a homicide the protocol is going to be to call in Kentucky State Police KSP Southshore police chief Jerry
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Cassidy notifies KSP and they are on the scene rather quickly this is the Ashlin post that's
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responding they are the post which covers Boyd Carter Greenup and Lawrence counties in the great state of Kentucky
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the Ashlin post was one of the highest solve rates of of any of the KSP detachments thanks to the good work of
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numerous outstanding detectives who have been assigned to the post over the years
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so a high clearance rate for homicides by this post so if you have somebody investigating you want experienced
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investigators Southshore PD does not have that KSP does and they're on the scene for this case Captain we get
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detective runan will be in charge in the lead investigator early on in this investigation the victim is 37-year-old
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Evelyn Louise Fleck that is her married name and Evelyn is in fact the homeowner
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so she is found in the backyard of her property of her home the detective determined that some type of weapon was
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used in the attack I'm guessing that it was not found at the scene as the police
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report that we have does not define what type of weapon was used so therefore it's suggestive that they did not locate
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this weapon the Greenup County coroner within a couple days ruled this a homicide the information that we get is
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Evelyn Fleck was strangled either in the evening or during the night of January 20th 1994 while she was in bed do they
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know if she was strangled with an object or was she strangled by this murderer's
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hands I'm guessing hands here so the autopsy was requested for our putting this show together but it that request
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was denied so the only information we get about injuries to our victim come from The Limited information that they
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discussed openly to the papers back then so she's found in the morning of the 21st we had have the coroner who's
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saying that she was strangled in bed again Captain brings up a good point here because we know that other injuries
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suggest that she was beaten as well the police report says that a weapon was used in this attack was it for the
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strangulation or was it for the attack on the woman the physical attack before the
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strangulation the reason why I say that I think that we are dealing with some using their hands in the strangulation
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here Captain is because it was not obvious to the detective at the scene he had to rely on the coroner's report a
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couple days later to make that determination so time of death here is somewhat uncertain it's a little
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ambiguous interestingly enough the detective notes on the police report that the incident occurred between the
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hours of 2000 on Thursday January 20th to 10:15 a.m. Friday January 21st I'm guessing here though Captain as
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the info on this was and has been kept sealed with a very tight lid for for now anyway but someone must be able to
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account for Evelyn at 8:00 p.m. the night before and then she is found at 10:15 a.m. the next morning so that is
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our window to deal with well and the problem with that window is it's a large window it's a large window she went by
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the name Evie Lou by the way now we can't be 100% certain here but I think we can squeeze the window on that time a
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little bit if we try we found a source that says someone spoke with Evie Lou via her home phone and they don't have a
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certain they're not 100% certain about the time that they spoke on the phone but at that time she's alive and well
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she's not in trouble she doesn't say anything's wrong or that she's in fear but this person says that she
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believes that this phone call took place somewhere maybe between 7 and 8:00 p.m.
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the night before she was found during that conversation Evie says to this person
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that she was going to be watching a movie that night and in fact the movie was coming on and she needed to get off
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of the phone and that they could continue their conversation after the movie Evie L doesn't call back does not
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call this person back after the movie so it would seem likely that she doesn't call back because she is already in
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trouble by this point either having already been killed or she is unable to make this phone call well I think this
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is fascinating right 1994 so it's a TV movie do we do we know what the movie was well it's it's it would
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have been a movie it was a movie that was in movie theaters but of course she's watching it on TV that night so
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Evie Lou tells the person on the phone that she will be watching a coold miner's daughter that night so this is
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1994 that movie came out in 1980 and I went back and I was able to find the TV listings for that night and
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what time this movie would have been on so it was on TBS channel 7 in that area it came on at 8:00 P.M and it ended at
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10:30 p.m. so this would make a lot of sense right because we have her friend this person on the phone that says yeah
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I can't pinpoint exactly what time we had our call but I believe it was 7:00 maybe even 8:00 p.m. the night before
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she was found and she did say oh I'm going to watch this movie in fact I got to get off the phone because it's it's
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getting ready to come on so she's probably on the phone with this person 7:45 close to
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8:00 and then 2 and 1 half hours later when the movie ended she does not call back as promised that doesn't mean 100%
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that something happened to Evie L before 10:30 but I believe it to be suggestive
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that whatever happened to her or she was in a state for whatever reason that she
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could not call back when that movie ended at 10:30 p.m. shout out to [ __ ] [ __ ] for winning the Oscar for a cold
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Miner's Daughter well it's definitely a logical possibility it's very interesting though too because a lot of
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these cases were able to talk to people close to the case and so other than the strangulation do we have any known
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injuries to the victim yes and again the reports vary but they're very similar so
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I feel like there's a lot of accuracy here uh some sources say that she sustained three possibly three blows to
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the head and face area while other Reports say that she had injuries to her neck and shoulders and again this would
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have been a physical attack this she had been beaten but where you get some optimism here right you got to look for
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when you when you're investigating this case you got to look for what's where's our potential evidence hiding what is
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the victim telling us what are the injuries telling us well even from afar when we see that there was an actual
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physical attack before the strangulation took place you hope and pray that Evie L
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had a chance to fight back and that she fought back like a wild cat and maybe she scratched this person maybe she
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maybe she grabbed at his face or grabbed at uh his arms forearms trying to get those hands off of her neck and again
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that gives us some hope that we could have that physical scientific evidence that will Point directly to our
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perpetrator or perpetrators interestingly enough though we have the corner and the investigator while
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they're not willing to give up a whole lot of details and information that they know about the crime they do openly say
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that the attack took place it's either started and or ended in that bed so they must have blood evidence to suggest this
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is where the attack took place there's no other blood evidence around that house on the inside of that house to
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suggest that there was an altercation anywhere else and again the being found in the
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nude could be mean multiple scenarios either she was just simply sleeping in the nude when the attack took place or
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there was a sexual assault or or this was a way for the perpetrator to further humiliate the victim once she would be
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found whoever did this knew 100% that this woman would be found eventually she's literally feet from the inside of
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her home but this person is a maniac that it doesn't make a lot of sense you have this attack that took place in the
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bedroom on the bed victim's dead Why move the victim and then when you go to move the victim did they change plans
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what did they think well if we if I put them outside that this will just look like a accident I mean none of this
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really makes a lot of sense to me and you know why I think it doesn't make any sense is I think our perpetrator or
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perpetrators panicked I think they panicked I think that that this was an act that was
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mostly rage filled and that they panicked after the fact so the other injuries there were
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some bruising on the shoulders and thighs and then there were there was a lot of scrapes on the feet and when I
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hear the statement from the coroner that the attack started and or ended in the bed
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and then you get the description of scrapes and cuts on the feet that tells me that I think we're
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looking at one person I think that that he killed her in the bed and I think you're getting the scrapes on the feet
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because he did his damnedest to try to drag her outside so he could move that body and place it far away from that
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house but something happened when he opened up that door and instead he left her laying there right by that back door
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to you Colonel that will be in September and we are very much looking forward to
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it cheers to you Captain cheers to everyone out there this case again varying degrees of
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cold the Kentucky State Police are rather adamant that they have a case here that they've collected a lot of
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evidence over the years and this is coming from from a lot of this stemming from early interviews that were
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conducted and possible Witnesses not necessarily witnesses to the murder we're not talking eyewitnesses here or
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ear Witnesses we're talking about persons that just have some information about our victim and about potential
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suspects that really starts to close the gap in on persons that we should be looking at so let's talk about the
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victim here so Evie Lou as we said she was the homeowner and I and I'm really kind of underlining that for the
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listeners with purpose because she had been married twice by the time of her murder her first husband had moved away
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and they had a daughter together just one child he had moved to another state and this man was a long Long Haul
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trucker and the daughter went with him now the daughter would come back to visit mom on occasion I would imagine
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probably holidays and summertime so they still maintained a good relationship together and from my understanding
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Captain the divorce took place when the daughter was roughly 1011 and the murder took place when the
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daughter was about 16 so we have a considerable amount of time that Evie Lou and her first husband had been
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separated well no indication that they were having issues with co-parenting or no issues as far as child custody was
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concerned to 99% of the people out there that is correct the person that would say otherwise would be Evie L's second
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husband their separation is confusing to me it's confusing to law enforcement and it's
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confusing to her relatives okay so they're depending on who you talk to or what source you get your information
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from some sources even say that she was legally divorc from her second husband most sources say no that's not true so
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we have sources that say look they were they had been on the outs for months the official
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report states that they had been separated for five days five days not a lot of time no my
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guess here is that a lot of this information can all be true with the exception of the
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divorce I think these two had been on the outs for several weeks if not months but it was only five days or six
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days prior that Evie Lou told her second husband to leave the house you can no longer stay here and that's the cause
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for the discrepancy where some people are citing that he's Outdoors well they're no longer together her second
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husband at the time was staying at his mother's house which would be roughly about a 10-minute drive or so from Evie
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Lou's house well when we have a crime like this when we have a murder victim obviously law enforcement it's going to
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start asking people is there somebody out there that would want to harm her is there somebody out there that would want
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to harm this victim and but I do find it a little strange when people start pointing the finger in multiple
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directions right away it's almost indicative of hey don't look at me I'm the good guy you might want to look
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at uh maybe her first husband or you might want to look at the neighbor or you might want to look anywhere but me
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and for my understanding here Captain we have the current husband his name is Jerry Fleck so Evelyn Louise Fleck
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that's her married name she was born Evelyn Louise pack she was married to a Mr Nichols that's who she had her
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daughter with and daughter was living with Mr Nichols in another state at the time of the murder I've been told by
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multiple sources that the there was a confirmed Alibi for her first husband that he was out of state he wasn't even
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in the state of Kentucky that they had verified that he was in another state at the time of the murder her second
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husband Jerry Fleck as we said living or staying however you want to describe it at his
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mother's place about a 10-minute drive right away from where Evie Lou was staying and again she was the homeowner
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and we know that because after she was killed that home stayed in the family her family and in fact it was offered to
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was offered to somebody in the family and the family member said I don't want to move in there where a loved one was
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murdered inside that house so what was Jerry Jerry dingleberry's Alibi for the night his Alibi was that he had last
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seen Evie Lou at 300 p.m. the day before and remember we know that she was alive
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and well when that phone call took place sometime between 7 and 8:00 p.m. that night the problem here is at some point
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Jerry's story will change oh how convenient and he will later say that he was last at the house at 8:00 p.m. the
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night before the problem here with honing in immediately on Jerry Fleck is that we have two other
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characters that are all tied into this story so two persons two men gave Evie l a ride to her
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home the day before she was found so were they friends of hers family members of hers maybe co-workers I don't know
00:36:29
who these people were in relationship to Evie L but I do know this she was not working at the time she was collecting a
00:36:38
I believe it was a disability check at this time these two men what we do know so police are aware of these two
00:36:46
individuals and we know that they gave her a ride to her home which was located at 276 Main Street there in South
00:36:55
Shore and the way that the police have worded this is that the last evening the Evie Lou was alive acquainted her with
00:37:07
three suspects two of them being the men that gave her a ride to her home and the third being her estranged
00:37:16
husband who as we already pointed out has a shaky Alibi so his Alibi his story for the 20th changes the men that gave
00:37:26
her a ride I'm unclear as to what their story is that information has never to my
00:37:34
knowledge been released to the public of what their statements are their movements when they last saw her why
00:37:41
they were with her that evening but we do know that it's confirmed that they gave her a ride that they they admit to
00:37:49
that people had witnessed them give her a ride she did have a vehicle she had a small Pinto at the time classic classic
00:37:58
that's right Jerry we should point out her a strange husband was driving a black truck at the time his
00:38:06
statements were that he was working on a vehicle helping somebody in their garage
00:38:13
working on a vehicle the time the timing of it seems very strange it would be a little late at night in my opinion to be
00:38:20
working on a vehicle but if he had to work all day that day maybe that was the only opportunity that he had to help out
00:38:26
a friend and then says well then afterward I went home to my mom's house and went to bed well first off like I've
00:38:34
always said if the person is very close to you and they're your Alibi don't buy it not going to believe
00:38:44
it show me some other proof I mean I'm going to put it into account I'm going to hear them out but I don't think it's
00:38:54
that strange as far as the time of day because like you said did he work during the day and he couldn't go over to his
00:39:00
buddy to help him out till a certain time and also did they run into some kind of snag and a job that they thought
00:39:08
would take maybe an hour took a few hours or did they have a couple too many to drink and they just decided to sit
00:39:15
around and [ __ ] we don't we don't know but I don't think Jerry Jerry dingleberry has a solid Alibi in my
00:39:22
opinion no not at all and one thing that you got working in favor of your investig ation is our timeline so Jerry
00:39:30
is being interviewed by police she's found at 10 a.m. that morning they're interviewing him minutes
00:39:40
or within an hour or two later so when when I'm sitting across from a guy and he tells me one story of oh the last
00:39:47
time I saw her was or last time I was at the house was 3 p.m. yesterday and then
00:39:53
that changes to 8:00 p.m. yesterday I'm going wait a second you've not even had enough time to really forget yesterday's
00:40:00
events why are they so why do you need to change your story and there I start to wonder did was something said to him
00:40:08
by police that made him have to change his story or did somebody see his truck at the house at an hour when he said he
00:40:17
wasn't there well that's a great point because like you said we don't have eyewitnesses or ear witnesses that we
00:40:24
know of to this crime but in a neighborhood like this neighbors would maybe go well you know I I didn't hear
00:40:34
anything I didn't see anything that was abnormal but I do know her husband that yeah they could be separated or whatever
00:40:43
but I do know the husband's vehicle was there and it was dark out or whatever this would be a situation where if her
00:40:50
car is already there and these guys that give her a ride so you assume there's a
00:40:54
second vehicle there or Jerry coming and going from the house there would be a second vehicle there at times the day
00:41:02
before but here's where I'm confused and maybe you can clear this up I know I'm not the smartest guy on the Block but um
00:41:11
if he's telling the cops hey I was at my friend's house helping him fix a vehicle
00:41:17
but then he then changes his story and says well I was actually at my house or my former house with my wife at 8:00
00:41:26
p.m. see why I'm confused no I see why you're confused I'm confused by the timeline
00:41:32
too because while we have this information that these two guys gave her a ride we don't have a time for that
00:41:38
right the the only thing the only real true time marker we have is that movie that she discussed what movie she was
00:41:46
planning to watch we know what time the movie started we know what time it ended
00:41:50
we know that she did not have that phone call after the movie was over so that's
00:41:55
really the only great mark markers we get on our timeline the problem I have with Jerry's story is his 8pm marker is
00:42:04
lining up real nice with the 800m marker of that movie starting and after the phone call took place and we have nobody
00:42:10
saying that they made contact with her after that movie started correct it would seem that all everyone's stories
00:42:18
are lining up with the last known contact that she had with someone would have been that 800 p.m marker where we
00:42:27
do end up with a witness is after the fact so Jerry calls Evie L's house three times the morning that she
00:42:38
was found dead under the refrigerator on one of these calls on the third and final call the paramedic
00:42:46
that was responding to the emergency call picks up the phone and informs Jerry Fleck that his
00:42:54
wife has been killed question for you do you think that these calls were legitimate calls or is this a way to
00:43:04
pretend you don't know what happened it's really too difficult to say I lean toward the you know me Captain I think
00:43:10
everybody's guilty I lean toward the idea that this is trying to create that alibi to further that alibi of oh I was
00:43:18
just trying to get a hold of her oh I was just trying to talk I needed to call her about this that or the other thing
00:43:24
and oh my God she's dead right that's where where that's where my mind goes to now I've had several people tell me that
00:43:32
where his mother's home was situated you could from from most windows in that the front of that house
00:43:42
you could view the highway and that that Highway would be necessary for police and paramedics to
00:43:51
take that route to get to Evie Lou's house so the assumption that several people several local people have made is
00:44:01
that if Jerry did this maybe he's nervous he can't go back to the house he can't he can't return to that home
00:44:08
somebody else has to find this body but did he sit at the window and watch and wait till he saw police
00:44:18
cars an ambulance traveling down that road to get to her home and then then no and then all of a sudden the phone calls
00:44:29
are happening from his mother's house to Evie L's house again if that if he's responsible and it played out that way
00:44:39
he sees the cars now he's going oh I'm the I'm the smartest cat in the room and I'm going to make some phone calls and
00:44:47
they're going to know that I'm just as shocked as they are I couldn't have done it it was a total surprise to me I was
00:44:53
expecting her to pick up the phone okay let me see if you can pick up what I'm putting down if I'm an investigator and
00:45:00
I'm not saying that this is definitive evidence but you were talking about maybe this murderer the crime takes
00:45:08
place in the bedroom there's some kind of panic goes to move the body because of the panic just leaves her on the
00:45:17
porch decides to try to cover her up is it a cover up with the items being thrown onto her or is it a continuation
00:45:25
of the attack a a continuation to try to destroy this victim but where my head leans towards is we go well we got these
00:45:36
two guys that dropped her off and when there's some confusion and things that don't make sense of the crime scene well
00:45:44
if there was two attackers that could make the confusion it could certainly make the confusion
00:45:51
and one thing look we say drop her off or gave her a ride to her home it's very likely that both of those individuals
00:45:59
went into the home with her so another thing that complicates the case is that there's no sign of forced entry into the
00:46:08
home and again I don't know what police's thoughts what the police's thoughts are on these three
00:46:17
individuals other than they have openly said that her movements of that last evening alive acquainted her with three
00:46:26
Suspects and they they don't name them they simply say the two men that gave her a ride to her home and her arange
00:46:34
husband they've been very tight lipped about this case because my conversation with them is this case is very solvable
00:46:41
we got to keep this information close to the vest so when they do release information like this where they are
00:46:48
openly they're openly naming suspects without naming suspects right right you describe the person we we know who the
00:46:57
husband is so that we can put a name to that that's Jerry Fleck the two men that
00:47:02
gave her a ride I don't know their names other than I've been told one of them's
00:47:07
last name is blankin ship so these three people are all known to the police and their investigation has led them to
00:47:15
believe believe within this group of three that we have your your perpetrator well it's
00:47:22
interesting because I think law enforcement strategy here is hey we we'll tell you we're looking at these
00:47:28
three individuals and by telling the public that maybe somebody will come forward and go well I heard these two
00:47:34
guys talking about this time they drove this woman home and attacked her or whatever or I know these two guys that
00:47:41
took her home and they're not good guys and I can prove that but what's difficult here is with these three
00:47:49
possible suspects you go well Jerry Jerry dingleberry if there's no Breakin to the
00:47:56
house well that's not a big deal because he was just living there 5 days ago so it's reasonable to believe that he still
00:48:03
has access to come and go as he pleases to the property maybe without her knowing that he still has access to
00:48:11
enter and exit at his will it's also reasonable to believe that these two individuals that were giving her a ride
00:48:18
home that maybe she let them in the house or maybe they forc their way into the house but there's no sign of Breakin
00:48:26
yeah I believe believe that they if they would have forced their way into the home likely we we'd have something
00:48:32
that's suggestive of that again we you review these cases and it's like you can't say everybody locks their doors
00:48:40
everybody locks their windows and some homes are certainly more easy to get to access than others right so that gets a
00:48:46
little wonky but what what we have here Captain I could I paint a picture the way that that if I were to Bob Ross this
00:48:53
thing out and paint a picture of how I think this whole thing went down there were a couple people that have told me
00:49:00
very CL without naming names very close to the case very close to the victim said
00:49:05
that they not only heard rumors that Jerry the strange H husband was keeping an eye on his wife watching her watching
00:49:15
the house at least one says that they have proof that he was doing this right and
00:49:23
one bit of evidence that we have that we haven't gone through yet is they found in an ashtray inside the home they found
00:49:32
three different brands of cigarettes and we talked about this before on the show
00:49:37
and people that are smokers especially longterm smokers will know a lot of people are pretty loyal to their brand
00:49:46
they find some they find a brand that they like and they they will regularly smoke that kind of cigarette there were
00:49:54
three different brands found in the ashtray Within home that to me is suggestive that she invited these two
00:50:01
guys into the home and that the three of them were inside this house together for
00:50:06
a period of time long enough to smoke some cigarettes Evie Lou was a smoker so we can go ahead and say that one of
00:50:14
those Brands found was Evie L yeah we could deduce it's very likely with two other
00:50:20
brands being there that we had two other persons inside that home at one point on
00:50:26
the 20th but it's possible that they dropped her off had a cigarette with her and they left because we do have this
00:50:33
phone call and to me that phone call suggest that she was by herself but could be wrong according to yes
00:50:41
according to the information available she doesn't reference that anybody else is there with her at that time that
00:50:47
doesn't mean that the house is empty but then going back to the whole no sign of
00:50:53
forced entry we do know based on the information available that Jerry Fleck went to the hardware store days before
00:51:03
the murder and had a second key made for that house now mind you he's not staying
00:51:09
there at that time but for some reason he needs to have a second key made where that key goes who it's supposed to go to
00:51:16
if it's going to be his key I cannot say that what I can say is multiple people said this man had a key made at the
00:51:23
hardware store for the house that that woman was murdered in yeah but a clever cat right hey I'm going to go get a
00:51:31
second key made and then I'm going to go to my wife hey I know we're splitting up
00:51:36
I'm going to go stay at my mom's and all by the way I'm returning my key to you without her knowledge that he has a
00:51:43
second key made and I'm not saying that's definitive evidence but to me that is evidence of something right
00:51:52
that's evidence that he wanted access to this house whenever he wanted to and he
00:51:57
didn't essentially want her to know but because she is dead we don't know if he had these keys made and and she knew
00:52:05
about it well according to his again shaky Alibi that's the words used by investigators Who would know far better
00:52:13
than us but they are stating that in one story he says that he left the home about 300 p.m. on the 20th this
00:52:23
after shoveling snow and dropping off groceries to to the house if he's dropping off groceries if he's helping
00:52:30
to still maintain the property in the house would make sense that he has a key did he did he give that information to
00:52:36
police that's something I would want to know because if he tried to withhold that information from police and
00:52:42
investigators well that makes it look all that more shady but the picture that I would I would paint here if we if we
00:52:50
were talking back to Bob Ross if we were talking crime fiction right we're working on a crime fiction story a novel
00:52:59
crime novel yeah we could paint the picture of one person is responsible for this murder Evie Lou was a smaller woman
00:53:08
a petite woman if the two men that let's say they drop her off they go into the home with her and we again we have the
00:53:16
cigarette evidence that says maybe they went into the house and maybe they openly told police yeah we went into the
00:53:22
house for an hour or two had a couple drinks or whatever but for her to have those I when I hear
00:53:30
scrapes and cuts on the on the feet that to me is suggestive that someone had to
00:53:36
drag her from that bed and attempted to get her outside I think I'll just throw it out there if he
00:53:46
wants to come at me he can come at me I think that that Jerry was watching the house was watching his wife saw her with
00:53:53
these two men at some point saw the two men go into the home they're in there for a period of time and he was too sh
00:53:59
he was too chicken [ __ ] to confront her in the moment when those men were there
00:54:04
and then he waited until they weren't there anymore and maybe she had gone to bed using his second key that he had
00:54:09
made he went into that home he killed her in that bed he tried to get rid of the body but guess what it was blizzard
00:54:18
conditions and he he drug her from the bed to the kitchen door which led to the backyard and attempt to get her outside
00:54:27
and probably into the bed of his truck where he would drive that body and dump it somewhere or conceal it somewhere or
00:54:34
maybe bury it for good but we got frozen ground out there I think something stopped him prevented him from carrying
00:54:43
out that plan and that he panicked in the moment found the old refrigerator pushed it
00:54:50
over on top of her threw another item on her and then he left he fled the scene may maybe if was just as simple as he
00:54:57
was worried that somebody would see his truck there now that he had killed somebody but I think that he attempted
00:55:05
to hide the body was unsuccessful panicked and then sat went home Sat by the window and watched and
00:55:14
waited for emergency Personnel to respond to the scene and try to further his Alibi by making phone calls to the
00:55:23
home while they were there well well I think everything you're saying is reasonable but we don't have we don't
00:55:31
have the autopsy we don't have these photos so we don't when we hear this these terms scrapes and cuts where my
00:55:39
mind goes to is was she trying to defend herself and when she was on the bed was
00:55:45
she trying to use her feet at some point and that's how she got these cuts and scrapes there is some other information
00:55:54
out there and this is this I want to throw out there and and be perfectly honest this is something that we could
00:56:01
not back up I'm going to put it out there because it was told to us but we cannot 100% confirm this information I
00:56:10
would I would wager Franklin on it that police know if this is true or not how much money do you owe people well I keep
00:56:19
winning so it doesn't it's not you don't have to have a whole lot of money if you
00:56:23
if you just keep recycling that same Franklin and doubling yeah doubling up double or nothing okay then so no forced
00:56:30
entry into the home but there is information out there that says that anywhere from 500 to possibly up to $800
00:56:39
cash was missing from the home as well and what's interesting about that little bit of information is again we don't
00:56:50
know 100% sure that this is true but I would bet you the police know if that's fact or fake
00:56:57
fiction but we also don't have anything else that's ever named in the papers or any report out there that some the items
00:57:06
were missing from the home and the reason why I bring that up is it's cash man it's cash cash comes and goes
00:57:15
without without a whole lot of checks and balances and a whole lot of recordkeeping right when this case
00:57:22
broke what did the estrange husband do he pointed to the first husband is would there be anybody that would want to harm
00:57:31
do you know anybody that would want to harm Evie Lou oh yeah her her first husband you want to take a look at that
00:57:38
guy you might want to give him a call who are they going to talk to to figure out if anything is missing from
00:57:45
this home nobody lives there but Evie Lou and her estranged husband who's been Outdoors now for 5 six days depending on
00:57:53
who you talk to he might be the one that's going through the home and saying oh by the way officers we had x amount
00:58:02
of cash in the house or I know she had x amount of cash in the house and now it's
00:58:08
gone again pointing out the possibility planting the seed in the detective's mind that well maybe this was a robbery
00:58:17
maybe somebody was after that money and that's why she got killed [Music] if you saw something say something if
00:58:37
you know something say something it's possible that one of these three suspects has told somebody something
00:58:45
about this crime if you know anything please contact law enforcement I agree 100% here Captain I believe that the
00:58:54
Kentucky State Police are fully under the idea that whoever is responsible for this has said something
00:59:02
to someone in the last 30 years and if that someone is you you can help KSP is strongly encouraging anyone who has
00:59:12
information that could help solve this cold case to contact officers who are investigating this case all information
00:59:21
will be kept in the strictest of confidence and diligently pursued by the investigators any of the investigating
00:59:29
officers may be contacted by calling the Kentucky State Police Ashlin post at 66928
00:59:38
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