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[Music] Lynn Harper was a 12 year old girl who disappeared on June 9th 1959 from the
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rcaf station in Clinton Ontario now two days after her disappearance Lynn's body
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was recovered on a farm it was discovered that Lynn had been raped and strangled with her blouse
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now on June 12th we have 14 year old Stephen triscott he's taken into custody because he's last reported to have seen
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Lynn Harper he tells the police that he sees her getting into a car they don't believe him and then on June 13th he is
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charged with her murder now I kind of want to underline all of that just think about how fast things are happening here
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right so less than 48 hours after her body is found we have a 14 year old who was arrested and charged with
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first-degree murder so a very fast investigation maybe uh another statement or maybe no
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investigating at all is it would be the question there on September 16th of that
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same year Stephen Truscott his trial began and then on September 30th the jury returned a verdict of guilty let's
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go through Steven's account ounce of the vents one more time he picked up Lynn on
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his bike at the school they went at her request right she asked for a ride he said sure I'm going that way anyways
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they ride down the road they pass the bush that's what we call it then they pass the bridge then he drops her off at
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the stop sign at State Route 8 and then he heads back to the bridge turns around
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sees her getting into a vehicle uh maybe a Chevrolet right yeah a Chevy late model or 1959 Chevy possibly a Bel Air
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gray in color a lot of chrome right and something orange on the back we don't know if it was a license plate or not
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and then he heads back to the base and then he ends up babysitting that night within within an hour right he is out of
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that area so that's his story yeah and he's sticking with it even though he is now charged he is now in prison he's now
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waiting to the death penalty but he's going to be hung that's that that's all that's the worst death
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penalty I think or your head being chopped off I well let's not get into that debate I think that's a whole
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nother show in itself um but the thing here is Captain not only do we have a very small very short
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and fast investigation we have what I would say is a very fast trial as well he he's brought to trial on the 16th of
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September and he's gets a guilty verdict on the 30th of September this was supposed to be a controversial trial
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this was supposed to be a big deal because we have a 14 year old a minor who is charged with first degree murder
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and oh yeah that's a death penalty case this was supposed to be a big deal I'm surprised that the that the trial was so
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fast now when the jury did return with the verdict of guilty they did have a recommendation for Mercy
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um to the judge the judge how I ever sentenced true Scott to death to hang as you had said I don't I don't think we
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need to look into this in in judge what kind of Judge this is and whether he did
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the right thing or the wrong thing I think here we have a situation where we have a certain type of crime was
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committed and there is a certain penalty for that type of crime and so I think even though that there was a
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recommendation of Mercy um that just being he's a 14 year old boy and that's hard to sentence that
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person to death I think we have a judge just putting into place what is supposed
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to happen in these type of Trials it would eventually be overturned and this would be commuted to a life sentence
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instead of the verdict to hang well because he was actually supposed to die pretty quickly yeah it wasn't like you
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know here or and also this is again the 50s so it was like you know within months they
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were gonna you know uh take out his sentence but uh that was quickly overturned yeah we thought Texas
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executed people quickly this was supposed to be very a very fast execution uh thank God it was it was
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commuted to a life sentence um there there would be another trial okay um and a big part of this was there was
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an a uh author that wrote a good book called The Trial of Stephen Truscott and in this in this book the author
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basically takes his side and says that he's wrongfully convicted so this is going to lead to
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um people looking at his case again and we're going to learn some things that we
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weren't told in the first trial and I think you're going to be able to see how we have a jury that comes out and and
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comes back with a guilty verdict because there were certain things they didn't hear uh the the first and I think which
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is the most important is the time of death and we discussed that regarding the stomach contents of Lynn Harper it
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was discussed that she had her last meal around 5 45 PM she goes missing and the
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jury is told that her stomach should have emptied within two hours of that last meal well it couldn't empty within
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two hours because she was killed before that time had elapsed yeah put in the time period between 7 15 and 7 45 which
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makes Stephen Truscott look very guilty because he's admittedly with her during that approximate time so he he's most
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likely our guy if you go off of that now one thing that we end up learning here is that that same doctor had submitted
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several reports regarding this and regarding the time of death and those earlier reports that he was submitting
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had a much bigger window of time you know he's stating she died sometime between 7 7 45 7 15 7 45 that's a very
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precise amount of time the earlier Reports say that she died sometime between seven
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and about 7 A.M the following morning so a 12-hour window yeah well because what
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happened with the trials once they put such a you know exact time period you know 7 15 to 7 45
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the scientists Community comes out and says hey that that's not how this uh tests do you know and you can't have a
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you can't pinpoint it that accurate so he actually went back and did the test again still put in the time of death
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between 7 15 and 7 45 but also and and uh parentheses stating or possibly within 12 hours of that right so again
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this is now you're you have a big gap and and remember though we have eyewitness reports stating uh odd
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vehicle in the bush later that night yes way past eight o'clock yeah so the theory is that Stephen attacked her
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killed her and left her in the bush but then was able to return and be back with
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other people by 8 PM no visible signs of injury on him and we when we have these
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other reports when we start to look into this we have some some reports that would come out many years later
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regarding the insects and the things that take place on a body as it's decaying there is there is a scientist
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stating that she firmly believes she says she gives it a 95 percent 95 percent chance of accuracy that Lynn
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Harper was killed after Sundown and killed some time before Sun up uh based on what she sees with these insects and
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their activity on the body there is somebody else that states that she would have been killed before Sundown so I
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don't know that that gets us anywhere but we have several different reports pointing towards the possibility that
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she was killed at a later time Okay and like the captain said the big problem with that is well there was a
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vehicle spotted on the Lawson property and this is a a dark colored uh 52 uh Ford convertible
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they found tire tracks in that area as well this wasn't investigated this vehicle
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was not investigated and I'll tell you why it wasn't reported to the police until after they had already zeroed in
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on Steven triscott by this point they had already interrogated him for hours probably had already charged him by the
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time they hear about this vehicle we don't need that information because guess what we've already got our guy our
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guy has no access to a vehicle right so that that doesn't mean anything to our investigation well a big problem with
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this investigation it happened so quickly you know the charge happened so quickly then you have whatever evidence
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now we have one you know we have evidence coming in of we saw this vehicle well we're not going to
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investigate that because that has nothing to do with our guy or our Theory so that's one piece of evidence but I'm
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guessing normally in murder cases there's hundreds of leads so how many leads came in after the arrest and and
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pushed aside you know pushed aside because we already got our guy we're we're building a trial here now we're
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not working on an investigation anymore we got our guy and I think what we have here captain
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I think that we have an investigation where I think it quickly circled in on this 14 year old and if he is your Prime
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Suspect I think these investigators thought you know what it's only a matter of time before we get that confession we
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I believe they thought he was guilty and I think they thought it's only a matter
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of time because he's a kid he'll eventually confess and then boom we got our trial we're all done with this thing
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what other stuff was not not worked on as far as part of this investigation one thing that I found very strange was many
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years after the fact their teacher came out and now keep in mind this was a split level class this teacher taught
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both of them even the day of her disappearance it's very rare I think that you have a situation where somebody
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knows a victim and knows the person that's supposed to have committed the crime and this teacher says he was never
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interviewed the police asked him no questions at all that seems seems a little hurried and a little strange to
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me yeah but this is a typical case of an investigation having blinders on creating a theory and then trying to
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make that theory stick you know this is uh you know this is error 101 right this
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is the number one error that these investigators make the first thing to do is yeah if you do have a theory then
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let's prove that theory wrong right and I think if they would have done that they would have found that their theory
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was proven wrong pretty quickly yep you you speculate as to what you think happened then you have to go find the
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evidence to back up that speculation and lead you to the correct person to the correct suspect he here they circled in
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on the suspect first well and the time frame is really difficult because if this crime happened today it'd be pretty
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simple less run DNA test and we'll know the answer within days right and I kind of want to back up what we were talking
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about earlier regarding the stomach contents and the reason why I believe that the earlier reports of what the
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doctor was saying is probably more accurate than the later report where he really zeros in on that that short 45
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minutes saying this is your time of death is that you can see that the doctor was
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kind of tailoring his report his later report to what the investigators had learned during their short investigation
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because in the early reports he states that the stomach contents may have contained meat he doesn't say they did
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contain me or they didn't contain meat he says may have in the later report he says that the stomach contents
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contained turkey well where did he get this information this came from questioning her parents
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what did she eat for her last meal oh around 5 45 that night she finished dinner we had turkey for dinner and
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again boom all of a sudden turkey's in the report right yeah this is this is ridiculous and not to mention that every
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eyewitness that goes along with your theory there's one that contradicts it or several that contradict it so my big
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thing here is they have evidence that she put up a fight right right and there's no marks on Stephen so therefore
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he didn't do it to me that's all you need that's all you need that's you know all
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this other stuff doesn't matter to me like you know because you know unless you're going to tell me
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that your theory is that Stephen and somebody else attacked her then where's the marks on his body right
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it doesn't make any sense well ultimately Steven triscott he would end up getting out of prison he would end up
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serving a 10-year sentence and then he would be placed on parole uh there's a bit of a weird situation here where I
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guess the warden uh at the prison at some point became a parole officer and Stephen triscott went to live with the
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former Warden uh his current parole officer lived with him and his family um which I think shows you something
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about Steven's character yeah um you know we have somebody that watched over him in prison feeling like it's safe
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enough to bring him around his his family yeah and Stephen actually you know uh 14 I think to 18 was and one
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prison and then he actually was moved it was transferred a couple times that's correct there's a lot of concern that
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you know we have a I mean he he went into prison at 14. yeah like you know this could be bad for him yeah some
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people get in the system and they never can get out well so let's let's keep that in mind
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because they're not saying that he's innocent but he's he's not serving the sentence that he was supposed to serve
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if he was guilty of first degree murder right can we agree on that he serves 10 years and then he's paroled that that
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seems like a big jump from a death sentence or a life sentence so you had mentioned you know what other leads or
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possible suspects would have been uh ignored let's say and this is something that I found interesting because you
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know this was from the Ontario Court of Appeals many years later these were arguments that were made before the
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Ontario Court of Appeals um so the defense maintained that once the Ontario police officers locked in
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their sights on triscott back in June of 1959 that the investigation like you and
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I had said stopped and different indifference took over and seemingly obvious leads were ignored including
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previously undisclosed information pointing to other suspects now unfortunately in this report that we
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have here these suspects are not named in the court documents because they have not been charged with anything but these
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individuals include a convicted pedophile stationed at the rcaf base at Clinton at the time of Lynn Harper's
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death the opp learned about him in 1997 after being contacted by a retired London Ontario police detective who felt
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that this man was capable of murdering a child the man had pled guilty to sexual
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offenses and possession of child pornography in the late 1980s when the police searched his house in connection
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with those offenses they found an eight-volume transcript of truscott's hearing before The Supreme Court of
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Canada from 1966 to 1967. and interesting also mentioned in this is an Airman who had been stationed at Clinton
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Prior to 1959. he was stationed at Alzheimer at the time of the murder but had a home in Seaforth which is close to
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the base which he visited free close to see fifth yeah between C third and C5 you're correct he
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was identified later by the CBC uh This Is The Fifth Estate show uh identified him as sergeant Alexander smelly pants
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no sorry uh Sergeant Alexander kalichuk and I say I was close yes very close we'll get to kalichuk here in a minute
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because we have more information on him also mentioned in this report we have a former salesman who drove a 1957 Chevy
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and apparently called at the Clinton base frequently the man came to the police attention after he tried to break
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into a home of a retired OPP detective this is Barry rule who shot him with the pellet gun and then began his own
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investigation in a report to the opp rule concluded that the man could be a potential suspect in several murders
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including Lynn Harper's this case the cases that he mentions have common characteristics all the victims well a
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lot of them are listed as hitchhiking victims and their bodies or clothes were dumped in what what were considered
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lovers Lanes yeah well I wonder where the the clothes folded that's a good question we'll get we'll get back to
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that too because we have some information on the salesman as well also mentioned we have a convicted
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rapist who lived in Seaforth at the time of the murder and worked on the Clinton
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base as an electrician at least one day a week the man who was convicted in 1948
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he had spent three and a half years in prison and had been to the Harper home this is very strange
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okay so we have he's convicted he's convicted rapist who had been to the Harper home before the murder to
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prepare well he was there to repair a clothes dryer he was an electrician yeah well there there's a connection
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I I believe a lot of times these people know that you know know their attacker I
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I'm with you there and again if she's getting into a vehicle not pulled in a vehicle remember there was no report of
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a struggle but did she know that individual was it somebody she had seen before somebody she knew and trusted she
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like you said seemed to have willingly got into the vehicle yeah and if this sick piece of [ __ ] was in her house uh
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fixing the dryer you know he probably would remember her name Caesar walking past Drives By hey hey you need a ride
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somewhere in do you need a ride yeah want me to take you back to your house yeah pretty easy
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um also mentioned in here we have a minister uh who is an accused sexual offender we got we have to say accused
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um he lived in a village just north of the Clinton base uh he had been accused of sexual assault by his grown daughters
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uh years later well he's real sicko but one claims that when he was when she was
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six years old she hid in her father's car and remained there when he took it out for a drive at some point on this
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drive he stopped on a gravel road and opened up the trunk moments later she claims that she saw him carrying the
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limp body of a girl towards a grassy treed area where he spent about a half an hour before returning to the car
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alone right now but some of these leads and and stuff are coming out way after investigation yeah so I mean to be fair
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to the investigators you're exactly right and and you know what uh you know those are all very strange situations
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but I've just come across a maybe even a more strange one because I have in my notes here
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um read through the suspect descriptions and then ask the captain which ones jump
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off the page um they all maybe they could jump off the page and ride into prison well look
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I mean you have to you have to like the suspect that actually worked at the school and worked at the family's house
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that's a big worked at the base because those are obvious connections that that's you know that the attacker
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would have known the victim and but all these scenarios to me sound a lot better than Steven
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yeah they do but the problem that I keep coming back to with this whole case is that it's very strange to me let's
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say that Steven is completely innocent let's say that his story is correct that he dropped her off at the county line or
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at the County Road Highway eight and she was picked up by a vehicle it doesn't it seem weird to you captain
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that that whoever picked her up and then ultimately ended up doing this to her that she ends up back very close to
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where she's I mean extremely close to where she's picked up from within a mile within a half a mile maybe
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even a quarter of a mile from where she was picked up from right so are you saying that that's strange and that
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points to Stephen I'm saying that it's strange in the sense that it it would it would Point me away from her getting
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into a car I'll say that um it doesn't to me well the only reason was all the eyewitnesses all the
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eyewitnesses that saw them right or didn't see them or Stephen it comes back you can't Overlook the the big biggest
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piece of evidence to me is that they know that she put up a fight and I don't know exactly what that
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evidence is but I'm guessing blood on our hands uh you know think maybe broken fingernails from clawing at somebody I'm
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not really for sure but they know for a fact that her attacker would have marks on them and Stephen did not so again
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it's it's too small of a window um he was doing a nice thing for somebody you know you need a ride I'll take in
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chances are that Lynn you know being the younger girl maybe she had a little bit
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of a crush on Stephen and that's why she asked Stephen for a ride and not to walk
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with somebody else and and this this older boy gives her a ride on the bike and drops her off and several people see
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it but again no marks on this boy right I'm not saying Stephen I'm by posing this question I'm not saying Stephen
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what I'm saying though it seems very strange to me that she would have gotten to a car abducted by the driver of that
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car raped and killed and placed in a location that's almost the exact same location that she's picked up from well
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I believe within a very short amount of time I I'm thinking I you know going off the top of my head here all
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the cases we've covered all the cases we've read about that we see on the internet
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how many can you think of where a child is abducted and then the body's found almost in the same
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location as the abduction it just it's got to be close to zero right I mean I I can't
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think can you think of any no just not not off the top of my head but look you pick up an individual you know the
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motivation here is sexual right and I believe this happened like I said somewhere else and then in the process
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of looking for a place to dump the body you know this person might not have known the area super well and just drove
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around to find a spot and oh well oh here we go I can pull off here you know and then they dump the body but
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to me I'm like I'm saying I'm just saying it's a percentage thing I'm not saying it's impossible right but they
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I'm not saying that it didn't happen but what I am saying is out of all the cases
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that that we've reviewed in all the cases I've looked at over the years I it's hard for me to think of that same
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situation taking place right but what I'm also what I'm saying though is that the person the murderer
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right did not might not have known that they're dropping the body off so close to where they picked the person up at is
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what I'm saying they would have they would have no clue that they're returning to damn near the same place to
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drop off something they picked up I'm saying there's a possibility they might not have known it okay I'll give you
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what I'm saying I'll give you that but you know off the top of my head there's the only a couple situations that I can
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think of where where this was even a possibility and you know one would be the Delphi
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case that we covered but there's a big question if those girls were even removed from that wooded area and then
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returned yeah but look I I don't think that matters I I just think I find it strange oh and here maybe here's another
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situation I think the Oakland County child killer I think one of those victims was returned to roughly the same
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area but they were held for days um I I'm just pointing out here that it's it's strange to me to to believe
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that she got into a vehicle drove away somewhere for hours and then was returned to the same location I I'm
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not saying it's impossible I get what you're saying but I think we can agree that it does seem it's an oddity
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um yeah I guess anyways there's a lot more to get to right after this quick beer break
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[Music] [Music] all right Cheers Cheers mates cheers all right so we have a suspect here in Lynn
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Harper's murder who stands out and this is that Alexander kalachic and the reason why he stands out and the reason
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why we bring him up is he is somebody that a lot of people involved in this investigation are close to this
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investigation back in 1959 believed that he should have been somebody on their radar he should have been somebody he
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should have been a concern for them and a piece of this investigation and it doesn't appear that he was so let's go
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over who kalichek is he was born in 1923 he was part of the Royal Canadian Air Force he was a sergeant who lived and
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worked in the area at the time of the murder now Sergeant kalichek was known to be a heavy drinker
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um and from the stories I told or have been told a heavy drinker might be an understatement he's heavier than than us
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he's times four uh yeah well he's basically if you take what I drink and what you drink
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and times that by four there that's what I meant yeah so he's a heavy drinker with previous convictions for sexual
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offenses some involving young girls now like we said he served in the air force during World War II
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um but he returned to civilian life in 1945. in 1950 he re-enrolled at the in the rcaf and was originally posted at
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the station in Trenton but soon afterwards he was transferred to the station in Clinton
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now we know this from our case you know this is close to our case here he served as a supply technician until
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1955 but in 1957 he was transferred to another station now this is located about an hour away from Clinton however
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kalichek made frequent trips back to Clinton where Lynn's Harper where Lynn Harper's father was the senior Supply
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officer well there's your you know connection there yeah good possible connection but we also have this
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situation that takes place about three week three weeks before Lynn Harper's murder kalichek was arrested and charged
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by the Ontario Police for attempting to lure three young girls into his car outside of Saint Thomas Ontario the
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charge was dismissed shortly afterward but the judge gave kalichek a warning regarding his behavior basically the way
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this thing went down is he sees three girls walking on the side of the street he pulls up to them opens up the car
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door he's trying to lure one if not two or three of them into his car there's different reports on what he was
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using to as a ruse one is saying you know possibly new clothes or new underwear yeah when they sent the new
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underwear I thought yeah that seems like a strange thing to offer somebody to get
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a car you want some new underwear yeah like anytime you hear that run for your life well I guess there's hey
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come in the garage you want some new underwear nah I guess there's lack of sufficient evidence because like we said
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the charges eventually dismissed but the judge gives him a Stern warning the warning uh goes something like this hey
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I know what you're up to I know that you were what you were trying to trick those
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little girls into your car we're going to be watching you kind of thing that's the kind of warning he got yeah well
00:32:30
they should have said Hey look with his underwear stuff right no more no more you don't even look at little
00:32:39
girls and if you do no new underwear for you for the rest of your life or we're gonna
00:32:46
hang you you sick son of a [ __ ] well here's a reason why kalichek should have been on their radar for for reasons
00:32:54
already stated but more importantly for this one uh in the early part of June in
00:32:59
1959 we have kalichuk's probation officer advises the Air Force officials of another incident of indecent exposure
00:33:09
involving kalichek and the town of Seaforth not far from the Clinton base now on July 2nd just three weeks after
00:33:17
the murder of Lynn Harper kalichek was hospitalized due to overwhelming anxiety tension depression and guilt according
00:33:27
to the rcaf documents but this is after the charges are dropped right right but he but he's he's experiencing this
00:33:36
overwhelming anxiety well tension depression and guilt three weeks after the murder of Lynn Harper right that's
00:33:44
my point is that a lot of people would assume well he was charged with this but they dropped the charge so he shouldn't
00:33:51
have anxiety over that yeah that's no longer on his mind right the other thing that I think to me is
00:33:58
like bingo bingo Boingo is that this idiot sold his car hmm and and again I think if you look at
00:34:09
um everybody that heard this story Lynn Harper's story they also heard about Stephen's story and Steven's accounts
00:34:17
and Stephen claiming that he saw a car and that he saw an orange thing on the car and I think that spooked him
00:34:26
and that's why he got rid of the car I also believe like I said that the crime took place at least the sexual crime
00:34:33
took place somewhere else and I believe that was probably the car do we have a rough description of that car that he
00:34:40
sold uh I actually could not find that okay but it but it is mentioned that he sold
00:34:46
his car after her death right okay that's that's very interesting in itself now kalichek drank himself to death in
00:34:55
1975. uh his final days were spent in a psychiatric hospital in Ontario yeah it just seems like this whole case you know
00:35:04
it was law enforcement investigators putting their blinders on going after Stephen not following leads you know I I
00:35:12
don't know if it was ever reported if uh kalichek was uh investigated at all well
00:35:19
you're right it's never been confirmed that the Ontario Police ever investigated him regarding the murder of
00:35:25
Lynn Harper now I want to bring up somebody I'm going to shift gears here a little bit
00:35:29
Captain we'll bring up somebody his name is Barry rule uh he's a retired OPP Sergeant uh he says that a traveling
00:35:37
salesman uh should be a suspect in a string of unsolved murders he also believes that he knows the identity of
00:35:44
the person who killed Lynn Harper in June of 1959 rule is the author of a book called a viable suspect rule said
00:35:53
he first met who he believes is Lynn Harper's murderer who he calls Larry Talbot although that's not the suspect's
00:36:01
real name uh Talbot's not you know he's not been convicted of any of these things a lot of fictitious names in True
00:36:08
Crime he's got he's got family members out there and we have an author who's accusing him of multiple murders so
00:36:15
choosing to use a different name um he says that he met Talbot during a robbery but it's a bit more complicated
00:36:24
than that it's it's reported as a robbery I've heard Barry roll story on this of how this robbery went down and
00:36:31
it sounds like a good recommended reading uh yeah I want to take you through this this story a little bit so
00:36:37
Barry rule uh his his now wife her name is Pat um at this time they were lovely name
00:36:44
they weren't living together um Pat had a cottage and Barry had a place elsewhere but anyway one night
00:36:52
they have dinner they have drinks and Barry decides to stay over that's the night that the break-in happens he's
00:36:59
sleeping he hears a loud disturbing noise he gets up out of bed only to find a masked man with a gun
00:37:08
inside this Cottage okay now so Barry exited the bedroom and and confronted this masked man in another room
00:37:17
well the first thing that the guy wearing the mask says to Barry where's the bride or bring out the bride
00:37:24
something something of that nature so he says you know let's leave her out of this you know go ahead you can I can
00:37:32
give you my wallet whatever let's leave her out of this he says no bring her out
00:37:37
here he's got a gun you got to do what he's saying so he calls for Pat Pat comes out of the bedroom
00:37:44
he tells the burglar tells Pat to lift up her nightgown expose herself [Music] um you know Barry pleads with this guy
00:37:54
let's again let's not get her involved in this he insists so she lifts up the night
00:38:01
count eventually what ends up taking place is that he that Barry and Pat are robbed he
00:38:08
takes some money from them and at some point Barry he's a he's a he's a police officer at some point he must have
00:38:17
realized that this burglar does not have a real gun he has a pellet gun so he starts calling the burglars the the
00:38:24
bluff here because because this guy's threatening them and he's asking them to do things that they don't want to do I
00:38:31
mean pellet guns hurt but I mean you can take one you can take a couple so at some point Barry recognizes this to be a
00:38:37
pellet gun and he starts to challenge the man that's broken into the home and he says you know what I don't think
00:38:43
you're going to shoot us I don't think you're going to shoot us at all I like this guy I like the cut of
00:38:48
his jib that's right nice jib the thing here is now the masked man he gets scared of Barry and he flees the house
00:38:56
well Barry is a police officer he he sets out on Chase and he's chasing after this dude
00:39:02
while he's chasing the dude the dude turns around and shoots Barry in the chest with the pellet gun
00:39:08
Barry fights through this he tackles this man and let me put it how can I put this
00:39:15
politely does he say to him now lift up your skirt for me boy now to put it politely he beats the crap out of the
00:39:23
guy yeah all right very good right I don't think this guy was out to rob the place and I tell you why and Barry
00:39:31
doesn't either because of things that they found on this guy after he's arrested okay he had four sets of
00:39:39
shoelaces in his pockets okay inside the guy's car they found they found his car parked nearby he had
00:39:47
left the keys on the Wheel and inside the car were his shoes and his underwear so this burglar had was wearing gloves
00:39:58
and a mask carrying a flashlight a gun he had a knife on him he had four sets of
00:40:05
shoelaces he had removed his shoes so he could be quiet and also probably not to
00:40:11
leave Footprints and he had removed his underwear as well possibly for some kind of fast
00:40:19
situation if you need to be fast with your pants I think they I like Barry think that
00:40:25
this man was there to to rape Pat to tie her up and who knows possibly kill her but because because this guy is somewhat
00:40:37
of a sophisticated criminal when caught in the act he's able to turn it into a burglary I was just there to rob you
00:40:43
guys anyway this is how this guy this Larry Tolbert guy becomes known to bury rule
00:40:50
yeah the problem I have with this and and feel free to give me the evidence to say that I'm wrong but
00:40:56
he's breaking into possibly rape uh older lady well they weren't old at the time they
00:41:06
were they were in their early 20s right but in the 50s that's a older lady okay right well it's older than our
00:41:15
victim that we're talking about Lynn Harper right that's what I'm saying so I'm just saying that it doesn't that
00:41:21
part doesn't fit for me well Barry rule believes this Larry Talbert is guilty of
00:41:27
multiple or well let's say this to put it more accurately he says he should be a a lead suspect in several unsolved
00:41:35
murders that took place over a span of years in this area now one of them one of these such cases was the murder of a
00:41:43
Oakville woman this is Pauline Dudley she was age 17 her body was found and located by a farmer working in his
00:41:53
Fields this was in Oakville in August of 1973 she was 17 years old um the thing here is
00:42:03
the car that toddler owned at the time was spotted not far from where Dudley's body was found and when police located
00:42:11
him they searched his car well they found Blood on the on the headrest and hair on
00:42:18
the floor along with other items in the trunk now here's what they found in the trunk
00:42:23
they found a wooden dildo cream a knife two flashlights brown sheets a short sleeve shirt and inside the pockets of
00:42:34
the short sleeve shirt were surgical gloves they bring him in because of these strange items that they find in his
00:42:41
vehicle that spotted near the body of this unsolved murder and when they bring him in he fails
00:42:49
several polygraph tests long story short Talbert was never charged for Pauline Dudley's murder
00:42:58
it was one of those situations captain that we've talked about plenty of times on this show where we have a group of
00:43:04
police and we have a group of detectives who say we know who did this we're we're
00:43:10
absolutely convinced we know who did this we got nothing on the guy we got no evidence
00:43:15
so yeah we have no evidence and we're not going to make it up thank you that's what they're basically saying
00:43:23
we know that they did it how does this we can't prove it and we did and we're refusing
00:43:29
to manufacture events yeah well how does this bring us back to the murder of young Lynn Harper well I think part of
00:43:38
that you brought up something interesting was that you know Lynn Harper was a young victim 12 years old I
00:43:44
think this Pauline Dudley thing shows that that this person is might be capable of committing murder
00:43:52
against a younger girl I know 17 is different than 12. I get it um but here's the big thing
00:44:00
Barry rule lists a number of reasons a number of connections but the one that stands out the most is including the
00:44:07
similarity between culbert his tolbert's car at the time and the one that Stephen
00:44:13
Truscott said he saw now Truscott said that he saw 1959 Chevy possibly Bel Air on the evening that
00:44:21
Lynn Harper went missing and we have Talbert who has a 1957 Chevy so we have a similar vehicle there's one
00:44:32
problem here though uh the vehicle that Tolbert owned at the time was a turquoise blue
00:44:38
now according to Barry rule we have a situation where she probably disappeared if she got into that car she disappeared
00:44:45
around 7 30 7 45 Sunset was at 906 that night um so Barry would tell us that there's a
00:44:55
chance that with that sun and at that angle and the distance that we have Steven trescott from the car that he had
00:45:03
may have thought he was seeing a gray car right one thing that they share the similarity of is they both have a lot of
00:45:10
Chrome on them he did say he saw a lot of chrome now we have this Larry Talbert why would he be in the area he's a
00:45:18
traveling salesman what does he sell um hopes and dreams no I don't I I don't know what he sells murder I don't know
00:45:28
what he sold but I do know this that we have very rule uh the retired OPP sergeant
00:45:35
well he likes he likes Talbert for several murders he believes he should be investigated and looked at in several
00:45:43
cases um all of these were ones that he was able to go back in time and he was able
00:45:48
to confirm that Talbert would have been in the area or near that area when a murder was committed well maybe he sold
00:45:56
shoelaces and underwear I don't I don't think he was a shoelace salesman or maybe wooden dildos but you know Barry
00:46:05
roll points out something interesting here you know what better job for a uh serial killer to have than a traveling
00:46:13
salesman you know you you could commit a murder on Tuesday in one town and you could be hours and hours away by
00:46:21
Wednesday or Thursday you know and if nobody saw you if nobody spotted you maybe they don't have things to connect
00:46:27
you to the crime I'm gonna go with this Captain it's a little bit of a stretch it's a leap I'm gonna say it's a leap
00:46:33
but you should have been investigated but a we could just make the argument that the case should have been
00:46:38
investigated period yeah and I mean Barry roll lists several other cases that he would like to see this Larry
00:46:46
Talbert uh uh investigated for I'm not going to go into all of them um because like I said it's a bit of a
00:46:54
leap and we're here to discuss the Lynn Harper case but it's certainly an interesting leap and one that I'm
00:47:00
willing to take I hopefully have to pick up his book at some point I did not get
00:47:04
a chance to read the book itself but I did see an interesting presentation that he did regarding his suspect all right
00:47:12
well let's get back to Lynn Harper's case and and so what are our final conclusions on this Lynn Harper case
00:47:19
because we had a you know a kid sentence then released now he's out it just seems like even after they let
00:47:28
him out they didn't really investigate this case no it's it's it's similar to The West Memphis Three case where you
00:47:35
have somebody that ends up not serving the appropriate sentence for the crime that they're convicted of
00:47:41
and later they're released and then you just say huh yeah we can't we're not really going to
00:47:47
go back and investigate this even though now it looks like we'd never found the guilty party yeah it's sad too because
00:47:53
you know in this case it's even harder though because the amount of time that's passed the the Primitive investigative
00:48:00
tools that we would have been using back in 1959 well they actually uh went to test Steven so they could get answers uh
00:48:09
DNA tests but when they went back through the DNA evidence that they collected at the time it was all damaged
00:48:16
yeah so they couldn't actually do the test and he was willing to take the test yeah I think that I think again shows
00:48:22
another sign of his character that's definitely a check mark on the Stephen Truscott side uh that he did not commit
00:48:29
this murder um what are what are my thoughts and opinions it's tough for me Captain
00:48:35
because like I said it's it's that one hour of time that there seems to be so many questions in differing
00:48:42
um opinions as to what happened by eyewitnesses during that one hour of time it's very tough it's very confusing I do
00:48:51
like that we have um and Stephen trescott's favor I like that he spotted a vehicle
00:48:58
um and then later we have Barry rule coming out saying hey I have a suspect that has a similar vehicle right I like
00:49:04
that in his favor what I don't like is that you give me a license plate number and that's not a legit number it doesn't
00:49:11
work yeah I think that whole part of the story is fictitious I don't think he saw
00:49:16
a license plate I think he might have I'm hoping that he's innocent because I I like to and I know it does happen
00:49:23
but I don't want to believe that this kid was killed by another kid um I think maybe he was scared into
00:49:30
giving that license plate number the problem that I have too with the license plate is me personally if I see a
00:49:37
situation go down to the point where I'm going to make a mental note not only of
00:49:42
the description of the vehicle but a mental note of the license plate number then guess what it's not going to take
00:49:48
me till police come to me to ask me what happened to Lynn Harper I'm going to be
00:49:54
going to other people and saying look this could be nothing but I was with Lynn Harper she's only 12 and I saw her
00:50:00
get into this car and here's the license plate number I think something weird happened
00:50:05
we're right I mean to to take a special note I drive past a thousand cars every day I never I never make note of the
00:50:12
license plate number uh right but again this case is all about the small little things that don't
00:50:18
really matter until a tragic event actually happens and to me this is very much like a butterfly effect case you
00:50:27
know if if Stephen wasn't so nice to give her a ride then maybe she wouldn't have been on State Route 8 at
00:50:35
the time that there was a uh somebody traveling in that area to pick her up right that could have done this crime
00:50:44
um if somebody saw him if the DNA evidence um didn't get destroyed there's all these little tiny things that if they
00:50:55
happen we would have had an answer the and then the big butterfly effect in this case that we haven't really talked
00:51:01
about much but you you have a country that sentence a boy that's 14 years old for a crime that I believe you didn't
00:51:08
commit you sent him to be hung within months of being tried when you didn't even spend months on the
00:51:17
investigation and this was such a black eye on the Canadian justice system that they got read of the death penalty
00:51:26
altogether right and uh Stephen was one of the main reasons for that it was a good wake-up call for them yeah so this
00:51:33
case to me is all these little you know Butterfly Effects if Stephen didn't or what if uh
00:51:40
you know heck what if Stephen and Lynn actually went into the bush to make out for a little bit maybe this doesn't
00:51:48
happen there's all these little tiny things that maybe could have stopped this tragic event but it's a really
00:51:53
fascinating story this was one like you know as we're researching it like the the first day of researching I I really
00:52:01
got into it and trying to break down all the different points of the eyewitness uh testifying and all that stuff and
00:52:07
what's really interesting too is you know Stephen went by a different name for so many years now him and his wife
00:52:13
actually have become experts on this case and they can break down all the testimony all the eyewitness accounts
00:52:20
that contradict what the investigators have and again rule number one don't create your own
00:52:28
Theory and if you do create your own Theory spend as much as you much time trying to prove it or trying to disprove
00:52:36
it as you do trying to prove it yeah and I think for me you know we talk about all these tiny little moments
00:52:43
for me too one thing that I come back to that makes me believe Stephen is innocent and underlines that for me is
00:52:52
what what exactly were Lynn Harper's intentions that evening that we don't know we've heard stories that she wanted
00:53:01
to go see the ponies or that she wanted a ride up to Highway 8. for some reason she if she wants to see
00:53:07
the pony she doesn't accept the ride all the way there what was that argument about that night
00:53:14
was she planning to walk away or run away from home and got picked up by the wrong person and that's why she wanted
00:53:22
Stephen to drop her off rather than take her all the way to The Farmhouse you know if if we knew her actual intentions
00:53:29
I think that would give us a better Direction better sense of direction as to Stephen's intentions
00:53:37
and I maybe and I'm I'm with you Captain I think there we got a couple people that see him on the bridge we got a
00:53:45
couple people that see them cross the bridge that lines up with Steven's story that
00:53:49
makes that that makes that very precise small little time window even smaller all right so do we have a recommended
00:53:58
reading for this week yes this week we are recommending a question of evidence the case book of great forensic
00:54:04
controversies by Colin Evans um scientific sleuthing and slip UPS in investigations of 15 famous cases
00:54:13
ranging from the suspicious death of Napoleon to the murder cases of Dr Sam The Fugitive Shepherd and O.J Simpson a
00:54:22
question of evidence takes readers inside some of the most vexing forensic controversies of all time in each case
00:54:29
Colin Evans lays out the conflicting medical and scientific evidence much like we saw in the Lynn Harper case in
00:54:37
Stephen trescott case today all right thank you to you Captain thank you to everybody out there and remember we you
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00:55:05
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