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Norris was always outgoing and a very active young lady at an early age she was quite
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active in fact displaying a true love for sports teamwork and competition she was also an animal lover
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and over the years collected and cared for many pets this included all of the normal household
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varieties with many different kinds of pets but a special love for cats Heather over the years participated in
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volleyball softball but her true passion was found on the basketball court she excelled in every sport that she played
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but especially playing for the select basketball teams these are the traveling aaou teams she attended Perry Meridian
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High School where she had many friends and was very social which was no surprise as she always had a very
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outgoing personality and nature and of course she competed in sports at the high school level playing
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both varsity volleyball and varsity basketball she graduated from Perry Meridian in 2005 at 18 she fell quickly
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for a boy 3 years her senior this would be her first real serious boyfriend After High School Heather went
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on to Indiana University in Bloomington everything appeared to be falling right into place and right on
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schedule for this outgoing beautiful young woman but life has its way of Shifting and of course the older we get
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and the more we take on well life can get pretty complicated Heather uncharacteristically
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started missing classes and then it was time to take a break from her schooling so she found a job that she
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really liked but her family and friends felt like they were seeing less and less
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of her not a terribly uncommon practice as we all get busy with work and responsibilities but clearly something
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was not right here and Heather's mother Debbie knew it she knew it for sure Heather seemed to be slowly
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drifting away Heather did not text or call family or friends for several days this is when
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her mother Debbie realized realized that Heather's phone was shut off Heather's father went out searching
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for his daughter going to homes of her friends but he could not locate her he went to her boyfriend Josh's house
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looking for her but no one answered so they called the police and a search was launched when police checked Heather's
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MySpace account they found that her last message said I can't take this anymore I
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need to get out of the [Music] state where was Heather Norris this is true crime
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[Music] garage the post on Heather Norris's Tuesday April 17th 20 2007 Myspace page
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read as follows drama box checked current mood sad and with the words not so simply explained the message was
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cryptic and alarming and it read No One Believes Me and no one understands me you know who you are I can't take this
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drama anymore I need to get out of this state followed by a series of exclamation marks and now Captain it's
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at this point that she is missing remember we've already pointed out that it is the police that have found this
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message on her Myspace page the thing that's concerning is did she take off as this post might suggest this would be
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very out of character for this young lady as I understand it as she is very close with her family in particular
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she's very close with her mother Debbie now to bring everyone up to speed the police are actively searching for
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Heather Norris and this is after her family has been looking for her and unable to get a hold of her for several
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days now so this information is being shared with the family and discussed with the family the message on the
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Myspace page this is probably adding to the list of questions that police will have for her family trying to track down
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this young college age woman but we say this is out of character because while the drama box was checked May certainly
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lead one to believe that she could have left and her family does agree with that
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post there was plenty of drama in Heather's life and we will get into that shortly so I don't think anyone was 100%
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doubting that Heather may have taken off may have needed to get away but the cause for major concern was that she was
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not communicating any of this with her family she's not communicating at all with her family that is what is out of
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character here well I'm not the brightest bulb on the planet but when when she says I need to get out of this
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state do you think that's like literal or do you think that's like state of mind I don't know and I have my own
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suspicions about this post meaning I'm not 100% certain that she was the one that that may have posted that created
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the post this message but moving past that suspicion it could be State I I like what you're thinking there get out
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of the state of mind but we do know that by this point in her life by April of 2007 you know she's lived in Bloomington
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she's lived in Indianapolis and maybe maybe that's why we're saying I need to get out of the state I've I've
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tried living elsewhere and I'm I'm having all this drama I'm having all these problems maybe I just need to get
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completely out of Dodge but it also could be you know she went to college it didn't work out she's now has a job
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maybe it's just this is not the life that I want to be living and I want to be living I need to get back on my path
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and regardless of what exactly is going on here in this situation of course Heather's family is extremely concerned
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because this is really just not adding up to them given the quote drama in her life her family had knew that there was
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this drama and major cause of concern they see this message they're looking for their daughter for their
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loved one and they start to believe that Heather's ongoing problems with her boyfriend has probably led to her
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disappearance or why they can't find her they believe not just that she took off
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they actually believe that her boyfriend may have something to hide that he's somehow involved or respond responsible
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for the reason why they cannot locate Heather yeah her boyfriend being Joshua Bean
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now from what I found it seems like they were kind of like on again off again since high school yes that's correct
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they were on again off again and that that's again the reason why the confusion for this message on one hand
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the family and friends of Heathers can understand why she would want to get away from her life her drama her
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boyfriend you know broken up or otherwise but at the same time they can't understand why if in fact she did
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choose to leave him leave the area that they wouldn't have any kind of communication or interaction with her
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yeah you'd almost think that she'd be like hey guys it's not working out with me and Joshua and I'm going to move back
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home you'd think they they would be in the know more than anybody yeah that would make a lot more sense because of
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the support group that she had it with her family and friends and the tightness that that family had so let's back up
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here a little bit and really kind of dive in and review the situation as we said Heather found her first serious
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boyfriend at the age of 18 Captain has already pointed out that this is young man named Joshua Bean this is sometime
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right around High School graduation her senior year boyfriend Joshua Bean he's about 3 years older than Heather and
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while they both attended the same high school it appears to me that they didn't really know one another during their
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time there together that it wasn't really them meeting until Heather's senior year now as we said she graduated
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in 2005 but Heather goes missing in 2007 in April but within just the first few months after the two began dating
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Heather confided in her mother Debbie telling her that Joshua was abusive when things got out of control he was beating
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her she told her mom you know don't worry about this try not to worry about this that she could handle this herself
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and she was attempting to handle the situation but the abuse continued and like we have sadly seen so many times
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Captain the abuse escalated to the point of person seeing bruises on and bruises all over her body and then
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eventually we even have a concussion that she suffers from some of this abuse well we've all been
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in bad relationships but I've never personally been involved in one that became physically abusive so I I
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couldn't even imagine the what's going through one's head when that's happening you know I'm
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we're in an argument and now it's turning violent that um to me that would throw a bunch of red flags and I'd be
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trying to get out of the situation pretty quickly but again I've never experienced that so I have no clue
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what that's like well I'm guessing that it did present a whole bunch of red flags to Heather and that's why we're
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going to see that this relationship is kind of on again off again over the period of time here now before this
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stuff escalated Heather may have been right when she said that she could hand it or at least I think that she believed
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that she could handle it I don't think that that was just words that she was putting together to try to please her
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mom or calm her mom right I think that she totally felt like hey I'm in control I'm a I'm a bright young woman who's on
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on my path to Greatness I'm off to college and I have my goals I have my achievements that I'm seeking and I'm
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hardworking and I can I can battle through this and battle through this doesn't necessarily mean that she's
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going to latch on to Joshua Bean for the rest of her life no it's probably she intended to kick this jerk to the curb
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and move on with things and get on with getting on well it's tough too because this individual they might have a really
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good relationship other than this part and you always hear a lot of uh people that have struggled with
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this say well you know the partner kept on saying I'm going to change and and that's never going to happen it's never
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going to escalate to that point again well kudos for her because it it looks like she was attempting to move on or
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handle it because eventually at some point she will press charges against Joshua but then we're going to see him
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do the normal song and dance routine of apologizing and promising that it would never happen again now I'm not exactly
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sure of when the abuse in this relationship started and a lot of times we see that no one really outside of the
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relationship is always certain of when the first offense occurs maybe Heather's mother Debbie knows but it's clear in
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this case that once Heather went off to college the physical abuse was real by this point so after graduating Heather
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moved to Bloomington to attend Indiana University Joshua Bean was attending IUPUI Heather when she started school
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she moved into a dorm with her cousin this was a lifelong dream of theirs these are cousins that are of the same
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age grew up together and not just cousins but very good if not best friends like many other college kids
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Heather did not have a car while she's living on campus so her boyfriend Josh would often pick her up taking her back
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to his place for the weekend and it seems like there was a little bit of a a a a very problematic reoccurring theme
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here or at least it seems that this may have happened on more than one occasion with this jerk so at the end of the
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weekend when it comes time to drive his girlfriend back to her school at Indiana
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University he would then suddenly refuse to drive her back right so at least on one occasion her parents had to come and
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collect her from Joshua's place and then drive her back to school well he was using it to manipulate her and control
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her exactly right he's using every excuse in the book as to why he's not going to return her but at the end of
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the day it appears to me Captain this is this is an attempt at possessing her right a few weeks later the following
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event took place over the Thanksgiving weekend of 2005 Heather and her friend her name is Aaron they're both home from
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college for the holiday now during this break Heather calls her friend Aaron crying
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hysterically Aaron rushes out to meet her friend just 10 minutes after the call and she finds Heather still
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hysterical but she also finds her with visible marks of abuse on her there's a scratch on her eye and red finger marks
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on Heather's neck when Heather finally com Cal down she told Aaron that her boyfriend Joshua Bean had hit her in the
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stomach and put her in a headlock while they were at his father's home thankfully Heather said that Bean's
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father stepped in at some point putting a stop to this madness and that the police were in fact called now it's
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repord he should have beat his son's ass that may have happened we don't know that's not part of the report but the
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couple did break up that November so we have these two young people dating there's a history pretty quickly of
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violence and the arguments becoming physical then we have this escalation I mean at his own parents
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house that's pretty brazing which will then lead to them ultimately breaking up that's correct
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captain now unfortunately the two reconciled on Valentine's Day in 20 06 this is when
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Joshua Bean visited Heather in Bloomington with a gift of flowers and of course an apology begging her to
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reconsider thereafter Heather spent an increasing amount of time with Joshua Bean in
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Indianapolis this is because she eventually started to withdraw from classes in April of
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2006 eventually dropping out altogether Heather got a job after she took this break from school or quitting school she
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loved it everyone says that she really dug this job and of course with the new job Heather started meeting new friends
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Joshua did not like this one bit and eventually he forces her to quit that job yeah I always tell my friends or one
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thing I don't think you look for in a relationship when you're younger is is this person making me better is this
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person making my life better I just I I think you're so caught up in attraction and uh
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initial feelings and stuff like that that you don't really or at least I didn't think too much about are they
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making my life better are they making me a better person do they want me to be around my friends and family they should
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be supportive of that because that would that makes you a better you most of the
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time personally I insist that whoever I'm with that they have a job they have hobbies they have their their own
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friends because if I'm the only person that you're talking to one of us is going to go crazy real
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quick and and I'm not that normal of a guy so it will probably be the person that I'm with right now we have pointed
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out Captain how active of a lifestyle Heather had I mean even from a young age she's very outgoing very outgoing
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nature I mean most of us love hanging out with our friends and a lot of us meet love meeting other people but
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Heather's friends would say that they felt creeped out by her boyfriend by Joshua bean and they also say that it
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was obvious to them that Joshua was determined to keep Heather from hanging out with them this kind of goes back to
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what we saw while she was at school you know the excuses of refusing to return her after collecting her and having her
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at his place for the weekend it's it's that possession that it seems that he's he's intent on having of this young
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woman I hate to jump around too much but what a situation if if you walked in on
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your son being physically violent towards his girlfriend that would be that'd be an intense moment because
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one you'd be extremely disappointed um but my my natural reaction probably would be to uh make
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him swallow his own teeth I'm one though that I don't think that viol cures violence and I think that the counseling
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would be could be potentially a very good thing for this Angry Young Man Who clearly does not know how to control
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himself his emotions and does not know how to conduct himself like a real man or an adult right clearly at this point
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he's got a lot of growing up to do and a lot of self-improvement to to make even
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though this young man he begs this young woman to take him back and it does seem
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to be that they were able to reconcile and they start their relationship back up again unfortunately some things never
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never change and sometime in November of 2006 now we have to introduce a woman named Hazel Rish she says that she
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opened her door her front door to find a stranger at her doorstep it was Heather
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Norse on Rich's front doorstep on South Meridian Street in India Apolis the young woman told Hazel that she needed
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help she was asking to use Hazel's telephone she wanted to call her mother because her boyfriend had just thrown
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her and all of her belongings out of his car Hazel immediately noticed that the young woman's arms were scraped and
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bleeding Hazel believed Heather's story and knew that she was dealing with something very serious here yeah of
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course Hazel allowed Heather to use her phone Heather called her mother Deborah Norris and shortly after the call was
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placed Deborah arrived on the scene and picked Heather up who was still at Hazel's home this led to another breakup
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between Heather and Joshua Bean yeah this this guy is really showing how much of a piece of [ __ ] he
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cheers to you Colonel cheers Captain well what we're going to see here is continued violence from this Joshua Bean
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against his on again off again girlfriend Heather Norris she's alleging domestic battery on several occasions
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against this guy uh multiple times pressing charges against him and this is going to bring us to the point of early
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April 2007 when Heather Norris St returning phone calls from family and friends this
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is pretty early on in April of 2007 here captain now it wouldn't be until April 25th that Heather's mother Deborah filed
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a missing persons report and again the family stating that this is after several days go by and not being able to
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get a hold of Heather so so it appears that at some point probably around the 18th 19th
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maybe even the 20th is when Heather's family starts having trouble getting in touch with her they notice something
00:29:03
serious has probably happened here they're searching for their daughter they're checking all the normal places
00:29:09
calling all the friends even going to the boyfriend's house the father says he gets no answer when he goes knocking on
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Joshua Bean's front door and it will be on the 25th of April 2007 when the missing person's report is officially
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filed this with the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department the impd but between that time period and
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April 25th there's going to be a lot of curious Behavior going on a lot of things that are witnessed by other
00:29:45
people during the course of just that couple weeks and this really stems back to April 11th this is when Joshua Bean
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missed an important me meeting at his place of employment his supervisor calls Josh looking for him
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you know where are you we're having this meeting to which Josh then replies via email back to the boss doesn't speak
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with him on the phone and in the email he's saying that he was sick he couldn't come into work and apologize for not
00:30:19
making the meeting he then called the director of the company so it sounds like he goes above his supervisor's head
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to make a phone call and tell the director explaining his absence basically right and it sounds to me like
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the director was unable to answer the call so Josh leaves a message stating that he he was jumped and had been
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attacked by a couple people and had to go see a doctor and receive medical attention for being attacked he he even
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comes up with a doctor's note like later he's providing his work with a doctor's
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note a written doctor's note excusing him from work for not just the time that he's already missed but for the
00:31:05
remainder of that week well let me see if I'm following this correctly he tells his boss hey I'm sorry I couldn't come
00:31:12
in I was sick then goes above his head and tells somebody else I wasn't sick I was jumped and then I had to go see a
00:31:20
doctor because I was jumped yes I mean which one is it I mean at some point you'd think work would
00:31:27
catch him in this lie of course yeah and the the problem though here too is that's not the extent of the story
00:31:35
telling or the versions of this different story because he does in fact go to the doctor and we know that
00:31:42
because he has this written doctors not excusing him from work for the day that he missed right but also for the rest of
00:31:48
the week but when he went and received treatment from a doctor this was at an urgent care clinic and he had cuts on
00:31:56
his hands in his arms so this does seem to go along with his story of being jumped being attacked by these people
00:32:06
and needing medical attention however at the doctor visit you know they want to know what what happened to you we we got
00:32:13
to put it in our report why you received these injuries right and he tells them a
00:32:18
completely different story he says that uh there were he was carrying trash that trash bags that contained
00:32:27
broken beer bottles broken glass that was inside the trash and somehow he he either dropped the bag or there was some
00:32:35
kind of accident or incident that ended up with him receiving cuts on his fingers and
00:32:41
forearms from this carrying the broken glass he does ultimately receive 25 stitches for cuts that he had on his
00:32:52
person but medical professionals have seen a lot of situations especially somebody that attacks their girlfriend
00:32:59
and the girlfriend defends themselves and then that person um the abuser then has wounds on them I'm sure when he's
00:33:09
telling whatever lame story he came up with that they're thinking that these don't look like the injury that you're
00:33:17
describing the following day Joshua Bean purchased a chainsaw a cotton mop and a
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utility knife and black trash bags at a local hardware store he also rented a Rug Doctor cleaner and purchased a bunch
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of carpet cleaning solution around the same time so mid April is early to mid april-ish Joshua starts telling his
00:33:43
family and his friends that him and his girlfriend Heather Norris broke up and the you know to explain I guess I guess
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he's attempting to explain a way why she is not with him it's also a little weird
00:34:00
though too here Captain because around the same time is when we have roommates that are going to move into Joshua
00:34:08
Bean's residence they're going to rent a room from him these two say that they never really saw Heather Norris from the
00:34:18
time that they moved in now the one of the roommates was a female and she would later say that she did communicate with
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hea Norris via Myspace but did think that it was strange that during their time living there that she she had never
00:34:34
seen her like you said this Myspace post that she left that we talked earlier about might not have been her the
00:34:42
communication to these new roommates might have not have been her well and I think we need to pay attention to the
00:34:48
dates that are given to some of this some of these actions that are taking place whether it be
00:34:55
from activity on Heather Norris's Myspace page and then let's cross reference that with activity that we
00:35:03
know based off of witness statements that this Joshua being what he's up to around the same time so we know he calls
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off work or explains away his absence from work on April 11 the Myspace post of hey I need to get out of this state
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drama box checked sadness is my mood that takes place on April 17th that's 6 days later and I'm not quite certain
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exactly when the roommates moved in so and I I can't say for certain when the female roommate says that she was
00:35:42
interacting with Heather via Myspace it could be right around the same time right it's a little unclear
00:35:52
that portion of the story but we know that bean he skips work on on the 11th with the excused absence and we know
00:36:00
that he's not at work the rest of the week and again on the 12th we have him at the hardware store purchasing these
00:36:07
items which include the chainsaw a mop The Rug Doctor cleaner and again around the same time he's tell telling people
00:36:18
that Heather Norris and him are no longer an item Bean starts doing a lot of work on his home around this time and
00:36:27
then we have a neighbor of his who says that he sees Joshua Bean driving away from
00:36:37
Joshua's home in Heather Norris's car but this is kind of weird he's wearing blue latex
00:36:45
gloves while he's driving this vehicle away from the home on April 25th is when we have the missing persons report okay
00:36:54
so the 11th he's missing work the 17th is that cryptic message on her Myspace page the 25th is when the family files
00:37:04
the missing person's report somewhere during all of that is when the the neighbor Witnesses being driving Heather
00:37:12
norse's vehicle away from his house in the blue latex gloves well yeah one the gloves is very Dexter like and then two
00:37:22
you you're saying that she's not your girlfriend then why are you driving her vehicle correct and you know who knows
00:37:28
the world's a germy place maybe he's just being proactive with the latex gloves I don't believe it but sadly on
00:37:36
May 8th this is you know the family already has all their suspicions and I'm not going to lie to you man they're
00:37:44
probably already heartbroken at this point and really expecting to hear the worst at some point yeah the
00:37:51
confirmation the first confirmation that I see of this that's going to really underline their concerns and and
00:37:59
probably tell them that this is not going to work out very well this is on May 8th when an officer from the
00:38:06
Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department locates Heather's vehicle so they find her vehicle at a hotel parking
00:38:15
lot on the west side of Indianapolis now also in the same month we have Joshua bean and his friend David Dawson they go
00:38:26
on together down to Mexico while there Dawson's got some some really bad news because he's saying one
00:38:36
night the two of them get quite intoxicated and during the course of that evening Bean starts confessing to
00:38:45
him that the reason why no one can find Heather Norris is because he killed her and that he did this at his
00:38:54
home that he used the chainsaw to cut up the remains and then drove around the south side of
00:39:03
Indianapolis disposing of her in various dumpsters throughout the southside of town yeah we've seen that in many cases
00:39:13
where they dismember the body and then put it in separate bags and then try to conceal their their guilt by spreading
00:39:23
the the the victim all over town on the 2 4th of May the police they executed a search warrant on Bean's residence
00:39:32
during the course of this search they detect the presence of human remains in his residence now also on the
00:39:42
24th after learning that police wished to talk with him because it sounds like he wasn't present when they searched his
00:39:49
home you know they want to speak with him especially after finding what they did inside his home yeah finding
00:39:57
human remains you think they would want to talk to him or yes evidence of human remains Joshua Bean leaves a message
00:40:04
with the police department and stating that any questions for him should be directed to his attorney on the 26th so
00:40:13
this is two days later we have Joshua Bean's father and his uncle they check in with Indianapolis Metropolitan Police
00:40:22
Department they're telling the police what the police kind of already know here they're saying that hey my son my
00:40:30
nephew Joshua Bean told us that he killed Heather Norse and that he burned and dismembered and disposed of her body
00:40:41
so this is when officially the missing person's case becomes a murder investigation that evening they find
00:40:50
Joshua being at the home of his cousin and they arrest him there kind of similar to the Chris Watts case where
00:40:59
the murderer confesses to their their father yes that's correct and it's not long after the detectives pick him up at
00:41:08
his cousins that once they sit him down he he pretty quickly waves his his uh rights after being advised of his rights
00:41:18
and he agrees to to a confession basically of the situation and and the murder that occurred and this was a tape
00:41:29
recorded confession being told the officers that Heather Norris was staying with him at the time and that the murder
00:41:37
took place on April 10th so this would be the night before he has the eventually excused absence from work
00:41:46
right he says that the two of them began to argue and during the course of this argument he stabbed Heather multiple
00:41:52
times with a Stak knife this took place in the basement of his home he said that
00:41:58
he then took went to Great Lengths to to conceal the murder and to dispose of her
00:42:05
body again placing her remains in various dumpsters around the south side of Indianapolis Joshua also said that he
00:42:13
cleaned the laundry room area with bleach painted with black paint he painted the walls of this basement in
00:42:21
stairwell with black paint and the basement bathroom as well he said that he hired someone to replace
00:42:28
the carpet on the basement stairs we do have just like you had said you referen the Watts case in this situation we have
00:42:37
his father and Uncle were present for a portion of this interview where he confesses once again to killing Heather
00:42:44
Norse so with the confession that is going [Music] to doesn't make obviously anything
00:42:52
better but it's going to make convicting this murderer and putting him behind bars where he should be so he
00:43:01
can't hurt anybody else again a lot easier than than it would if he just kept trying to deny it and trying to
00:43:09
keep concealing that he's the murderer yeah so this is one of those cases where it's it's very difficult and it's often
00:43:18
difficult to to prove because here we have no body yes they found evidence of human remains but for my understanding
00:43:28
Captain those were like in the form of Ashes right here so what we have is everyone else's statements of hey I saw
00:43:36
him doing this I saw him move her vehicle there was even one witness that said we witnessed her vehicle in his
00:43:42
garage for multiple days after she was no longer around and it was only until one of us says to him hey what's her car
00:43:50
still doing here I thought you guys broke up that he decides to move the vehicle right so he moves the vehicle
00:43:57
and of course as as we already discussed he seen moving the vehicle wearing these
00:44:01
latex gloves he purchases all these strange items that would go along with his confession to his friend to his
00:44:09
father to his uncle and then police well Walmart and stores like this should come
00:44:14
up with like like a kill kit or like a covering up your murder kit because some of these you want to be put on a list if
00:44:22
you buy a chainsaw well some of these some of these idiots actually would buy those packages um oh you're saying they
00:44:31
should Market yeah Market it as a a murder coverup kit cuz some of these guys would be like well it's all in one
00:44:37
box it's a it's a good value um and you just have a detective waiting in hiding that tackles you as
00:44:46
you leave the store well no and and like you said it's difficult because we already know a defense attorney can eat
00:44:54
that up as far as we we already know that she was at the house and that she was present throughout the house so
00:45:02
there's a lot of pieces of evidence that you could argue away correct the ash form gets a little difficult but that's
00:45:11
not really going to be as you're pointing out here Captain clearly pointing out that's not going to be the
00:45:17
biggest part of their case the biggest part of their case is going to be everyone's statements and then all their
00:45:23
statements of his activities and his actions during the course of the time that she was missing and police and
00:45:29
family and friends are looking for her right they're all very suspicious and then they go along with all of the
00:45:35
confessions that he has made so you're absolutely right the confessions are going to make this trial a lot easier
00:45:41
now we say trial because you would think that this dude would just plead guilty well he he does not he actually decides
00:45:48
to fight the charges the charge of murder and he has his attorney work to try to suppress the some of this
00:45:59
evidence he wants to remove his confession to Police from the trial and there was a case that was there was a
00:46:09
case that was referenced in leading up to his trial um because there was another Indiana case where there was no
00:46:17
body that kind of set the precedent for taking a case like this to trial with nobody because we've seen that being a
00:46:26
problem many many times now most of the time we don't have any formal confession
00:46:32
in those types of cases here thankfully he confesses to police and thankfully they record the
00:46:40
confession I'm screaming that to all of law enforcement everywhere please conf record all interrogations all
00:46:47
questioning all confessions because that's the best way for that information to hold up should you need for it to
00:46:55
hold up and I'm sure that this these detectives probably didn't think we're going to have a trial here when he's
00:47:00
sitting here telling them exactly what he did and exactly how it went down yeah but even if they didn't have that man
00:47:06
it' be tough if you're on the jury and to hear this SOB's dad say hey he my son confessed to me if he ended up taking
00:47:16
the stand against his son that that's pretty damning yeah his trial will only take about 4 days so he's Tri he is
00:47:24
charged with murder and abuse of a corpse this on May 31st of 2007 and the trial started on August 4th
00:47:34
and lasted until August 8th of 2008 so he received 68 years for this murder 65 of it was for
00:47:45
the murder itself and three for the abuse of a corpse now he did appeal this and he really appealed
00:47:53
everything he appealed I mean absolutely everything he he appealed the the confession he con appealed the the
00:48:01
evidence he basically wanted to get everything thrown out and the state of Indiana reviewed this and basically said
00:48:10
denied uh we we've looked at everything that you sent to us because his claim is
00:48:15
that every time he confessed to killing Heather that he was under the influence of drugs and alcohol that he he was
00:48:26
either intoxicated or in the as he says when he confessed to police he had been drinking and he had took I think it was
00:48:36
four or five Xanax pills and I mean of of course he would he's got to be nervous as hell the police know what
00:48:44
you've done They Know That You're a murderer and they're about to lock you up for a very very long time
00:48:51
specifically here Captain I'm reading from my notes it says that he says that he took four to six shots of Jagger
00:48:58
meister and three or four pills of Xanax do not people at home do not do that yeah that's not a fun drinking game yeah
00:49:06
don't mix Xanax in alcohol and here here's another uh thing probably don't do six shots of jgermeister either I
00:49:14
don't I've never had a situation where that ends nicely well I don't listen to the Curt on that one that's it always
00:49:19
goes down good um or like my father likes to say Jagger Meister that's the drink people drink when they don't like
00:49:26
themselves right um no matter how many cases we do you go 65 years for murder just doesn't seem long enough and then
00:49:35
only 3 years for the charge of abuse of a corpse just it just never seems long enough well and obviously
00:49:47
Joshua Bean has a history of violence he's prone to violence he's a violent individual especially when it comes to
00:49:55
his then girlfriend or on again off again girlfriend Heather Norris but I have I have some other questions here
00:50:02
because my questions are of course these other situations got out of hand got out
00:50:08
of control with with Joshua behaving like a monster time and time again yeah but the
00:50:16
questions I have here too is that it looks to me like she was due to testify against him in some of the charges that
00:50:25
she had pressed against the assault charges the previous assault charges right that she was set to testify
00:50:32
against him I believe later that month in April so I don't know if an argument started because of that there is some
00:50:39
suggestion and has been some evidence that he was growing marijuana in the basement and maybe an argument started
00:50:47
because of that it it seems to me like there' be many reasons for the two of them to be to to be arguing but I I just
00:50:55
questioned is there a chance here that that no argument took place and that he was just he planned this it doesn't look
00:51:04
to be well planned out right uh so maybe he didn't plan it but I'm just throwing
00:51:08
that out there that it looks to me like she was set to testify against him and see through on some of those
00:51:15
charges that same month yeah we just we need to do a better job as a society trying to raise
00:51:23
these these boys into men they're they're just not there's too much abuse there's too
00:51:30
much um mental illness there's too much I mean it's it's every week you know and
00:51:38
I'm sure that Joshua Bean's father wishes he handled the situation with his with his
00:51:47
son differently um and maybe even demanded that he stayed away from her it's a very
00:51:54
sad case it is a very sad case and it's a situation where I mean who knows I mean we we clearly we we put these
00:52:02
people under the best microscope that we can when we try to tell these true crime
00:52:06
stories but but we don't know I mean maybe his father did do everything right if there is such a a handbook out there
00:52:14
maybe he followed it to the tea and and and this no I'm not trying to throw him under the bus or anything you know right
00:52:21
I get what you're saying and and you're absolutely cuz those are some of the details that are left out of the story
00:52:26
it's like did he sit down his son multiple times and say look if if you can't treat this girl with respect then
00:52:33
you don't need to be with her I mean he might have told her told him that a bunch of times you know and he might
00:52:39
have uh Joshua Bean might have grew up in a household where his father showed his mom respect and and that the men
00:52:47
showed respect to women and were protective of women and not abusive and not um trying to be controlling and and
00:52:55
domineering and all those things sometimes people are just you know it's nature or nurture and some people are
00:53:01
just born a ship bag you know right and that's what I'm saying and and Josh was certainly not under his father's roof at
00:53:10
the time of of a lot of this type of behavior and we know that the father stepped in at least once and well
00:53:18
stepped in again going to police and saying hey my son has confessed something very terrible to me you need
00:53:23
to go and arrest him so this is you're you're absolutely right there's you review cases like this and you go what
00:53:31
could have we have done differently not just as parents or or families members of of both of these individuals but as a
00:53:39
society and and how do we bring up our young and make sure that this never happens again and of course the answers
00:53:48
they're just not so simple they they really just are not so simple here when you feel bad
00:53:56
you know for her friends and family but but also again it's there's so many victims in these stories one person
00:54:05
touched so many people's lives and but also I'm sure at some point when this Joshua Bean was five six years old
00:54:15
that his parents and his family and friends didn't think that this is how his story was going to end uh so there's
00:54:24
just so many victims in this and but we we need to do better at trying to raise better
00:54:33
people well and unfortunately his story doesn't end I mean yes he's locked up but his earliest possible release date
00:54:41
is July of 2040 so he's he's younger than you and I captain his birth year was 1984 he could be out um at some point
00:54:53
and and hopefully uh hopefully that does not happen I think this individual should be locked up and locked away for
00:55:00
good here there are some other little details that I do want to throw in before we wrap up for this week here
00:55:08
Captain it was stated by his friend Dawson who passed along information that he said that he received firsthand from
00:55:17
Joshua Bean while they were drinking together partying together on their trip in Mexico he he would later tell law
00:55:26
enforcement and testify against his his one-time friend that uh that he was told
00:55:33
by Joshua that Heather entered 911 in her phone and threatened to call police and this was for a multitude of
00:55:43
reasons a m multiple reasons here and that they they were fighting and and I mean this is who knows if some of this
00:55:52
stuff is true because it's coming from Josh josua bean and we've already seen what kind of character he has but he
00:55:58
told Dawson that Heather's last words to him were I love you Josh um and there was some I mean if if any good
00:56:10
could come of this it it came from Heather's family and a lot of their hard work that they have done after the
00:56:17
murder and we have a foundation called Heather's voice that was started by Heather's mother Debbie this is a
00:56:25
nonprofit organization that educates teenagers about domestic violence and healthy relationships there is a
00:56:32
Memorial Scholarship fund that was set up there is a foundation called Heather's closet that was set up there
00:56:38
was a lot of good that her family has been able to do since this horrible portion of their lives and this horrific
00:56:47
tragedy the national teen dating abuse helpline is 18663 331 9474 and the National Domestic Violence
00:57:00
Hotline is 1 18007997233 and we ask that you not forget Heather Norris or Heather's story if anyone out
00:57:14
there is experiencing anything anything like what Heather experienced in her relationship or if
00:57:23
you know of someone that is is experiencing anything like that please contact one of those numbers help your
00:57:29
friend help yourself there are people out there that are able to help you in your situation
00:57:36
and not just if you're experiencing physical violence but if you're also being if you're being
00:57:43
threatened with physical violence even if it hasn't escalated to that point uh don't hesitate to reach out and try to
00:57:51
get help for the situation you're in [Music] thanks for joining us here in the garage
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reading this week this week Captain we are recommending the murderer across the hall a book written by Crystal O'Keefe
00:58:31
O'Keefe lived with Joshua Bean when he murdered Heather Norris in April of 2007 O'Keefe and her then boyfriend moved in
00:58:40
with Bean about a week before the murder O'Keefe later testified against Joshua Bean which resulted in his conviction
00:58:48
proceeds from this book will support the domestic violence Network and Heather's
00:58:53
voice an organiz ganization started by Heather Norris's Mother after her murder check out the murderer across the hall
00:59:02
by Crystal O'Keefe you can find that great book and many others at our website on our recommended page that's
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00:59:17
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