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hundreds of documents unsealed just this afternoon revealing new details in the deli murders of Libby German and Abby
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Williams and also the man charged with those February of 2017 murders a team of 13 News journalists has been pouring
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over the documents this afternoon Rich NY joins us from The Newsroom with what we've learned Rich Richard Allen's
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attorneys want the search warant of his house overturned and all the evidence collected there last October thrown out
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the prosecution's response gives us several new details about what investigators believe happened to Libby
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German and Abby Williams investigators say that is Allen's voice and he is the man in the
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video taken by Libby's phone who ordered the girls down the hill and in that same
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video investigators believe they hear the sound of a gun being cycled and one of the girls mentioning a gun court
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records say the girls were then forced to the location where they were murdered and for the first time we learned that
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investigators believe a knife was used in the murders court records say articles of clothing from the girls were
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missing from the scene including a pair of underwear and a sock clothes from both girls were found in the creek a
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woman says she later saw the man in the bridge video walking down the road wearing a blue jacket and jeans he was
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muddy and bloody and looked like he had been in a fight police searched Allen's home last October they They seized a
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handgun which investigators believe Allen used in the crime and matches an unspent bullet found next to the girl's
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bodies about 10 hunting and utility knives were also confiscated along with a blue carart jacket and other clothes
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Allan has admitted to police that he was at the monan High Bridge the afternoon the girls were killed he said he went
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out on the bridge to watch the fish welcome to True Crime garage a very interesting day here in the garage the
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captain and I have had some time to sort through the information that's coming out of deli and here we are to discuss
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some of the highlights within that information now as many of you know we've covered this case extensively
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throughout the years and this is a case it's always been shrouded in mystery right there's always been a a lot of
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what ifs or how did this go down what happened here who's responsible well now we have a man locked up we have a man
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Richard Allen who will be facing a trial and this double homicide case and very recently we've had documents that were
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previously sealed for the most part have been released to the public these documents have been unsealed they're
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court documents that have been unsealed and now released to the public so what comes out to the public here is
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283 pages of court documents that have been released and we've been able to go through all of them with a fine tooth
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comb we've done the leg work so you wouldn't have to and we are here today to tell you about what it is that we
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found within those 283 pages so let's waste no time in breaking down these unsealed documents starting off with the
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affidavit from the warden yes and so what we have here Captain clearly we're not going to go through all 283 Pages
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because reading that many pages of court documents and man it's some dry heavy reading right there but what we're
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talking about here today are some things that jumped off the page to us the highlights if you will and more
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importantly I think too with some of these items we say 283 pages of unreleased previously sealed
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documents but in reviewing those 283 Pages there were a lot of those documents that had either leaked their
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way out at some point or had been released and so what you have here is you have the media you have attorneys
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representing the media who filed request official court request to have these documents unsealed and for this once
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very mysterious investigation and very mysterious charges brought against Richard Allen to
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have more transparency and so the judge reviewed these requests and said sure the handcuffs are off the gloves
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are coming off here is the information that you were seeking so the first thing that caught our eye and this
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is because it was newsworthy back earlier this year in April we had the defense team coming to
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Richard Allen's defense saying that he's being mistreated that he was treated like a prisoner of war in this facility
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where he's being housed while he awaits his trial in fact I believe their statements were that he is living in
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conditions that are worse than if he were to be convicted of the charges brought against him so this is an
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affidavit filed by the warden of the Westville Correctional Facility so this is part obviously of the Indiana
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Department of Corrections and this is the warden's opportunity to have a rebuttal of this public outcry maybe not
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by the masses but at least Richard Allen's defense attorneys that he's being mistreated within this facility
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this Westville Correctional Facility right and the warden says that Richard Allen is housed in a segregation unit of
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this facility this is for his protection he is housed in a 12x8 Cell which is the
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standard size cell for that facility so he's not right away the warden's going to be pointing out how the conditions
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this man is being kept in are similar to all the exact same as all of the other persons housed in this facility with the
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exception of him being in a segregation unit they state that the defendant has a
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bed with a mattress and the mattress is the same mattress that all of the inmates receive at the facility the bed
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frame is attached to the floor this is specific to the segregation units because it's uh in order to protect the
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defendant from ways of harming himself the defendant is in this type of cell for his protection because he has made
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suicidal statements and could attempt to harm himself the defendant Richard Allen
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is offered time to shower three times a week which is the same as the other inmates he's also provided with three
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sets of clothing per week he is afforded commissary Privileges and has extra shirts and shoes in his cell but he
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chooses not to wear them right right the defendant is not required to wear the same clothes or underwear for days and
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days on end that are soiled stained tatter or torn he can change those clothes he may choose not to the
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defendant has equal access to clean clothing as do all of the inmates the defendant was afforded the use of an
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electronic tablet where he can make calls send text and download music which is an amenity that the other inmates do
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not have so they're stating this is this is something that he has been given it's
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a privilege as far as the warden's concerned simply put the other inmates do not have this tablet that that
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Richard Allen has that he can make phone calls on he can send text and he can download music now the warden goes on to
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say that at some point Richard Allen broke this tablet yeah so he had this privilege that no body else had but he
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broke it like a dumbass so don't have that privilege anymore the defendant has afforded the same Recreation time as all
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of the other inmates which is Monday Wednesday Friday Saturday and Sunday and he has regularly seen medical
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personnel and me in Mental Health Counselors it states that the defendant is not afforded face-to-face visitation
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due to being in the segregation unit now that's interesting because that last part of the statement goes along with
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what the defense attorneys were saying that there are difficulties in meeting with their client one the distance
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between where they're located in the facility where he's being housed there's difficulties with the defendant speaking
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with and meeting with his family again this is due to the distance between the two but also the Hoops that one has to
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jump through once you get to this facility because Allen is stored or being housed in a stor makes it sound
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like he's a he's a product in the back of of a stock room somewhere uh that he's being housed in a segregation unit
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yeah and I know there's rumors that are saying that guards and and other prisoners are are telling Richard to to
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kill himself but let's let's not forget what he's what he is accused of doing he's
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accused of killing a 13 and 14y old so I I I don't have any I don't feel bad for this individual
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you know he has it better than most and I think right now the conditions that they're in are probably keeping him
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alive and I think once he has to go face more of a the general population in prison it's not going to go so well for
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Richard M Allen that's a difficult thing for us to sit here and talk about on Mike because we do recognize that he is
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innocent until proven guilty in the court of law which has not happened yet and unfortunately there have been I'm
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not I'm not going to sit here and raise a great defense for Richard Allen there are 12 people that will be selected by
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the courts that will be given more information than we have that will determine if he is guilty of these
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crimes or not yeah if we that's not my job but but the difficult thing becomes we do know there have been innocent
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people that have been in the same situation as Richard Allen some of them found guilty some of them found not
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guilty now but but what I think the captain's pointing out here and one thing I will agree with
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100% this is what he's charged of guards verbally harassing him that's not right yeah we get nobody's saying
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that that's right nobody's saying good job guards the other inmates harassing him if in fact this is all going down
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right if this let's be clear about that if this is actually happening nobody saying here at True Crime garage good
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job guards good job inmates but what we are saying is this is not out of the norm typically
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somebody charged with these kinds of crimes it's not unheard of that they're being verbally harassed by the guards or
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other inmates that's what happens in prison that's what happens in these types of
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facilities especially when we're talking about inmate to inmate that's why jail and prison are such an
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undesirable place to be so the defense is claiming that their client is not being treated fairly and then they're
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also saying we have not received all the information all the investigative information from the state yeah and the
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again we we have really put a magnifying glass on this case and everything that's
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going on in and around the courts with this case so what I I think we have here Captain is a lot of people becoming
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aware of things that are very common in these types of cases and people kind of wondering is
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this common one and two is there something else going on here well in this case this this I would expect okay
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let's let's pretend for a minute I had to hire councel to defend me against any kind of
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charges I would expect good counsel good defense attorneys to file this motion we've not we've not
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received all the discovery we've not received all of the state's case against our
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client you do that for it look you're you're creating a long list of checks and balances because in this type of case
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where he could end up being charged in if convicted sentenced to death right you are creating a long paper trail for
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your client of things that might be appealed later so you file this motion that way
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if you could later prove that the state did not provide you with all of the information then you have grounds for an
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appeal you could even have grounds for a mistrial so this is the state's rebuttal
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to those claims of well we've not received all the information now I I should be clear here too because my
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understanding of this Captain is the the state has come forward and said we're still working on
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some of our case so there may be things you've not received but it's we've not built that part of our case against your
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client yet here they are going line by line and explaining why we've not sent this to the defense
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and I'm going to give you the short of it because it's I don't know it's extensive it's extensive there's at
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least 28 statements that they give in this there's probably more because uh I I went through and highlighted the ones
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that I thought to be the most important and my list stops at 28 again this was a
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review of 283 pages of documents they all didn't make it onto the show but the short of it is the state is
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saying this is information that we've not sent to you because of several reasons and these all
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fall within the rule book here one this is information that's readily available to you so it's not our job to provide it
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to you we don't have to do the leg work for you you can go and get this information
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yourself no one's preventing you from having this information we don't work for the the
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defense you can go get this information the the other response is that some of this
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information is too cumbersome for the state to provide to the defense meaning like they're requesting
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any and all tips any and all communication regarding this case from the general public to the
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law enforce agencies that were investigating the case well and we know yeah and we know because of Carter I
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mean there's been thousands upon thousands of interactions from the public to law enforcement didn't we
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report one time that there were like over 47,000 tips that came in throughout the
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course of this in like so and that was years ago right and we know that Carol County and the Indiana State Police
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Indiana State Police is a big agency lots of resources lots of people power and they decided together that you know
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what we need the FBI to work the tip line to take ownership of the tip line Force because
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there's so many tips coming in and that was re relatively early on in this investigation I want to say it was like
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20 days in and as you said Captain as you backed me up there it was like 40 some thousand tips and that was years
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ago at least two years before Richard Allen was arrested so they're simply saying we
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cannot provide you with all that information because it would bog us down with too much work and oh by the way we
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do not intend to use all of that communication from the general public to law enforcement against your client
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meaning that it a lot of that information that they're requesting is not relevant
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now there are ways for the defense to still obtain that information and it we we'll see how this
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thing shakes out because I know that a new trial date has been set for Richard Allen for the actual murder charges
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right there's going to be other court proceedings before them those have not been given dates yet but trust me do you
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know the date of the new trial I believe it was scheduled for January of 2024 and the reason why I've I've not
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noted that date here in my notes is that to me that date does not seem so significant because with these other
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court proceedings that will it's not a if that will take place I would bet that this thing gets pushed back even further
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right probably summer of 2024 and without without you and I getting too far into the weeds here we
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also have some speculation that this thing May may it may drag on for a while with different Court proceedings but we
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may never actually see a trial right moving along let's go over the cause document yes and this is pretty
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straightforward it's really a description of the the charge which is Mel murder a felony two felony counts of
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murder and it's the bail that was set for Richard Allen now this could be something that was known to the general
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public this is something never seen in writing before and I don't recall it here hitting the old Colonel's earballs
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either so uh this seemed interesting to me the bail was set at $20 million cash or corporate security I believe is what
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that scribbled word is there so $20 million was the bail set for Richard Allen the next item here Captain is a
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judgment of the court so this is pretty straightforward here this is the the state has
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subpoena the CVS Corporation who Richard Allen worked for they're subpoena subpoenaing them for documents I don't
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think I said that right at all they are they are requesting demanding and people
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think I'm a dumbass that TVs turn over certain documents about and information about Richard Allen to them now we can
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speculate here what that is right my number one thing would be his time records for the the week and the day of
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the murders that would be key for them to establish that he was not elsewhere during that time period so that's pretty
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normal stuff and it was the defense team that then they come out and say say no no we're going to we're going to push
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through a motion that that's unnecessary the state does not need that information
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and this is just a judgment of the court of saying the court has decided that it's fine for the state to demand that
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information and that CVS should be giving that information to the state yeah it's pretty simple you have a guy
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that's charged with double homicide and you want his work records that's one of the most common things that a state
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would do in any homicide case is request information demand information from one's employer
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the suspect's employer the next item is the state's objection to defense defendants motion
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to suppress this is very common as well so basically what you have the short of it
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Captain is that you have the state that says here's how we built the case against this man enough to arrest him
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and house him until he can face trial and so typically what you will see is the defense team will then come out
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and they will file a motion that says we question all of that information all that evidence that led you to the
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arrest and to you housing him and then trying him for these charges and we want a judge to determine if this information
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is good if this evidence is good enough to keep him or to even have charged him in the first place very very common that
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you would look a good defense team if any of our wonderful listeners out there ever find themselves on the
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hot seat for something that they are completely innocent of and you hire a defense attorney if you are wealthy
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enough that you can hire a team um in this situation I believe that the state is paying for both of these
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attorneys so he does have some kind of team here it's probably more than just two working this but demand your Council
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demand your attorneys question everything that's what they should be doing they question everything and this
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is just further proof that they are doing their due diligence the defense team in this case so correct me uh if
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I'm wrong but the the search warrant that wasn't released but the affida to get the search warrant was possibly
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leaked at some point six years of this case and so much of it uh has been been a giant question mark I can't recall
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Captain if that search warrant uh affidavit was leaked or if it was officially released but I can say
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this I've reviewed that document prior to these documents being unsealed right now what we do have here is the actual
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search warrant which is just a single page and it's the the state it's the judge Diner who was
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originally on the case before passing it off it was Judge deer granting the search warrant to the Carol County
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Sheriff's department and it describes what they are allowed to search and what they are
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allowed to collect and with so much of this case being shrouded in mystery these These are the
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type of documents that to me really tells you kind of what their what their investigation was and what they were
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looking for and so here they state that the state of Indiana grants this permission for the search and the
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seizure of property that's listed here so they're allowed to search Richard Allen's property including the residence
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out buildings I believe there was a specifically States a wooden shed that was on the property a black 2016 Ford
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Focus SE vehicle all of these and it gives the address I'm not going to go that far
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look some of this information again it's public if you want to go find it great um well thanks for being so helpful
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that's that's why they're here is to learn about it but they're talking about that they are allowed to search all of
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those parts of the property including that vehicle that is listed there and they are allowed to
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remove any and all evidence and information of the crime of murder specifically a search for
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handguns 40 caliber ammunition knives blue sweatshirts or jackets black sweatshirts or jackets clothing
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electronic devices a cell phone and they're very specific with the cell phone that they're looking for right and
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any other cell phon so that's kind of a blanket statement right you go all right
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we can collect this one cell phone that we're looking for plus any other ones and any other electronic devices located
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in or on the locations described in this document law enforcement has authorized
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to search these areas to determine whether or not there has been a violation committed as described in the
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affidavit at the residence in the yard the vehicle or any word that I do not know wow um so
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this is just giving a very basic description of what they're looking for what's key here and what I've always
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found fascinating about this case Captain is that in every search that they've ever done even with remove
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Richard Allen's name from it they've always specifically and I think this is pretty common to 2023
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2022 very specifically looking for electronic devices right cell phones tablets things of that nature now in
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this case it has been said by law enforcement on multiple occasions that they are of the belief
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that some of the the crimes may have been documented via an electronic device or or taking pictures or any of those
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things now we've not heard that they've found proof of that but that certainly was a a consideration and speculation by
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law enforcement in fact we do know when we reviewed the search warrant affidavit
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uh for Ron Logan that the wording that they chose to use was we're looking for an electronic device that was receiving
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a cell signal in in that area on that day and they even give like a window of time there so we've always wondered does
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this mean that they have proof we know that they did the data dump trying to locate all of the cell phones that were
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in the area within a five mile radius that day when the girls went missing up till a certain time of day I don't know
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how long they extended it but law enforcement had always said that they believed everything was done and over
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with by 5:00 pm. so we've always wondered does that mean that they have information from that
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data dump that there was some type of cellular device or or electronic device receiving a cell signal in that location
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that day that they've not identified right the the user the carrier of that device MH so this is just another
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document that they are looking for something very similar and then that leads us to the affidavit for the search
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warrant uh that was granted this goes through a lot of the same stuff that we've talked about in the past and so
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I'll summarize a lot of that this is the law enforcement laying out their case for the judge saying we need a search
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warrant and here's the evidence why and they go through a description of the crime we've talked about that they
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believe they're looking for a gun because they one of the girls says gun to the other girl in the 43 second video
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that was the recording that was on Libby's phone and so that's why gun is listed
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and we we would later learn in other documents it it doesn't go into specifics and I don't think that's
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needed but it does state that their their deaths were ruled a homicide due to wounds or injuries from a sharp
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object well also there were looking for a gun because they had a shell casing that they're going to try to match up as
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well exactly exactly so they give those two reasons for looking for guns and then obviously with the statement of
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what it is been determined that they were killed with that they are looking for sharp objects and knives and things
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of that nature as well so like you said they said gun on the video and so that we're looking for a gun believing that
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the killer controlled them with a gun to go down down the hill but then used a sharp object possibly a knife to commit
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the murders this document is a bit of a bummer for me here captain and that is because when you're
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a bit of a bummer for all of us this document specifically was look this just jogged my memory
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completely here so this document some form of it was released remember this was the document that was
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sealed per the state the judge signs off on sealing it and the state was saying we need this to be Sign Sealed
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because it has witness information it identifies Witnesses and remember the the defense
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was saying no we need transparency we don't think that the state has a good case against our client
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if the if the public could see some of this they may agree with us so this document should be unsealed they they
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said publicly we don't see anything in this document that warrants the arrest of our client and so remember this
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document was released but redacted well they've removed the the redactions here on this document so that
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was a bit of a a bit of a bummer for me um it's not a whole lot of new information but it's it for those who
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have not re reviewed it previously they're talking about witnesses that put somebody that looks
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like Richard Allen that was dressed like Richard Allen at the trails that day coming and going and leaving looking
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rather dis shoveled muddied bloodied uh one person describes it as it looked like he had been in a fight one of the
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witnesses says that they believe he was covering his face uh with there was some
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kind of face covering that he was wearing when when seen now none of these people were saying it was Richard Allen
00:34:23
there that day on the you know on the trails but they're saying it they're all confirming they're all saying about the
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same thing and describing somebody that not only looks like the person the person's image that we see in in on
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Libby's phone video right but also looks like Richard Allen and then on top of that we have Richard Allen who admits to
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being there that day and this does give good reason to search his property a lot more to get to
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one and all tall can in the air and we've covered so many cases but it seems like this is a lot of information like
00:38:18
you said 28 some documents I and I believe that they didn't unseal about 19 documents out of the the whole kid and
00:38:30
Kaboodle but uh it seems like this's is a lot of information coming out before the trial look as much as I was on a
00:38:37
quest for information in this case just like everybody else I I think this is a little unsettling to me all if again 12
00:38:46
people with more information than me will determine this man's guilt I can't sit here in this garage two beers deep
00:38:54
and tell you 100% that this guy's guilty he looks really guilty I'm not going to
00:38:58
build a defense for him but all I care about is convicting the right person I'm a little worried that you've
00:39:09
tainted any type of jury pool with some of this information that's coming out right and some of it the the big stuff
00:39:20
which I think will taint the potential jurors we've not even gotten to yet so uh hold on to your butts right hold on
00:39:30
to your nuts and butts I hope hope you wore your raincoat and Boots cuz there's going to be some
00:39:35
[ __ ] some [ __ ] um some other information in here that I think that that people
00:39:41
will find fascinating if this is it may be something they already know but there
00:39:47
this document indicates that there may be video footage of a vehicle either matching Richard Allen's vehicle or a
00:39:55
vehicle very similar to his seen driving what what could be assumed I've not seen
00:40:03
this video but it's stated it's described here in this document that one could make an easy assumption that this
00:40:09
vehicle was going toward the trails and then coming from the trails and going to the trails before the
00:40:17
abduction and murders and coming from the trails afterward yeah and this could be
00:40:26
this could be kind of a nothing Burger because we do have records of him stating that he was at the park that day
00:40:33
but this could be confirmation of that and confirmation of what vehicle he was driving my other speculation is is it
00:40:42
possible that it's video footage of not him entering the park but entering the service road into the park the one that
00:40:50
would line up with the bridge um and you know down the hill and was his vehicle on that Service Road um that's just
00:40:59
speculation on my part because that would be pretty damning you're on the bridge you you meet up with the girls
00:41:07
you tell them to go down the hill your vehicle was parked down there this murder takes place and then you get in
00:41:13
your vehicle and you and you leave through the service road correct so this V this
00:41:19
video evidence potential video evidence is described as coming from a store and so I imagine that this is a a camera
00:41:29
that either they have in their parking lot hell we've seen how much ring doorbell cameras and Simply Safe
00:41:35
doorbell cameras are picking up people things that that are going on in the street in front of someone's house right
00:41:42
uh that they have nothing to do with but these images are captured and and digitized and and later able to be used
00:41:49
as evidence against different people and and one of the things that I wanted to reiterate when you were talking about
00:41:55
the the initial search that they did you know searching his property and Gathering
00:42:02
clothes and and and people in in Richard's life coming forward and saying well he didn't throw away these clothes
00:42:11
and and now we we assume that this murder took place you know with a sharp object a knife so they collect a bunch
00:42:18
of knives from his property but what they did with the car uh is they did a bunch of luminol test and wherever
00:42:26
luminol hit in that vehicle they cut up the carpet from the wheel wells they they cut up pieces of the seat belt um
00:42:39
pieces of the seat so you would you would assume too maybe those haven't been tested completely again another
00:42:47
argument by the defense team of hey do we get do we got those tests back yet because all that information
00:42:57
as the defense team the bigger of a of a pile of evidence against your client you
00:43:03
might decide to defend your client differently based off the information that the state is providing you right
00:43:12
and so if if those items if and when well I shouldn't say if or when they 100% they're going to test them if they
00:43:20
if they don't test them I mean come on what are you guys doing um those items have been or will be
00:43:28
tested that information should if if everybody's doing their jobs and playing with inside the rules
00:43:37
that those results will be provided to the defense that's all part of Discovery right um so yes that's that's all part
00:43:47
of it the the thing that I find uh well in fact you know what let's stay on topic here because the next item that we
00:43:53
wanted to cover was the property record record and receipt this is a document that is going to take
00:44:02
inventory of all of the items that were collected from Richard Allen's home right from his property from his vehicle
00:44:11
and you're right Captain they they they did do those things with with the vehicle and I I don't want to go through
00:44:19
this line by line because it's it's four pages but just to give everybody a little bit of a taste here so of course
00:44:28
they they take into their possession a gun the the Sig sour P226 handgun they took into
00:44:39
possession two magazines one filled with 9 40 caliber cartridges and one with eight 40 caliber C cartridges
00:44:50
right it looks to me that the gun the 6h hour P226 that they believe was at the crime
00:45:00
scene at the murder scene that When They confiscated that gun that it had a cartridge with the gun that had a a
00:45:10
single 40 caliber Smith and Wesson bullet in the that cartridge the uh they they also took
00:45:21
like the case and a whole bunch of uh cellular devices so it looks to me like the the Allens are probably like a lot
00:45:28
of other people where you you go through phones you're done with a phone and they
00:45:33
end up in a junk drawer somewhere usually with a bunch of old Chargers and things of that nature so there's a whole
00:45:40
bunch of car chargers Outlet Chargers and old flip phones and old phones that appear to have been confiscated as well
00:45:50
now we do know that the the handgun as far as lab exam goes they check that box that's stated on on this document a
00:45:57
cartridge that was they found a 40 caliber cartridge found in a wooden keepsake box on a dresser between both
00:46:07
closets in the master bedroom I don't know why this bullet is in a different location than the other
00:46:15
ones but that's the bullet that they chose to to test so they would have fired that gun they would have checked
00:46:21
that gun to see if it if if it malfunctions or there's any malfunctioning with that gun
00:46:26
confirm that there's no malfunctions and then they would test that bullet so they
00:46:32
they wouldn't fire it in this situation typically we're we're firing it for the ballistics test but here we're simply
00:46:38
racking it through the gun and then testing yeah it's simpler and doing a lab exam on those marks in comparison to
00:46:47
the live round found at the murder scene right and we talk so much about electronic devices well here they they
00:46:53
took at least one flash drive um I think later in this document they reference another but they don't list them
00:47:01
together because the other ones listed as a zip Drive They confiscated a whole lot of sweatshirts a whole lot of
00:47:11
sweatshirts every sweatshirt this guy had it appears is on this list for obvious reasons they're trying to find
00:47:19
the what appears to be the hoodie or jacket uh worn by bridg guy that day so a lot of jackets lot of hoodies they
00:47:27
took a lot of he's got a lot of of sharp items a lot of knives yeah I would be surprised if they find any evidence on a
00:47:37
sweater but look I mean the criminals have been dumb for years but I think it would be a easy
00:47:46
item for him to discard especially the property that he had I mean he had a little bit of land he could have easily
00:47:53
had a little bonfire and got got rid of uh some evidence I loved we talked about
00:47:59
that when his defense team came out and said look his gun his car his clothing all the things that he had that day when
00:48:06
he was out walking the trails mind in his own business uh he still has to this day that's proof that he's innocent well
00:48:13
it's it certainly raises a bit of an argument of Innocence however it's very easy to quash that argument and just go
00:48:23
he might just be a dumbass he he might have just not discarded of these items because he's lazy or he's dumb or maybe
00:48:32
there's something more Sinister and some kind of souvenir to him yeah and the thing is you know he Richard M Allen is
00:48:39
innocent till proven guilty but the jury's out on on what he looks like he he looks like a
00:48:46
dumbass I mean if I saw him i' go that's that's a doom ass unfortunately I've had
00:48:52
the same said about me now the a a lot of sharp objects a lot of knives a lot of bladed weapons found some of them
00:49:01
decorative in nature some of them folding knives some of them large so a lot of that's been
00:49:08
confiscated from his home you have to wonder here Captain you can clean those knives but we've seen this in dozens of
00:49:15
homicide cases involving a knife often they can remove the handle or the hilt and find blood that has seeped under
00:49:25
there yeah that that the the suspect was unable to clean from that object they're
00:49:31
more likely to find the victims blood than they are to match the wounds to the weapon because that is a difficult task
00:49:42
um for for for forensics a lot of times when there is a knife used in the murder
00:49:50
they can go well we can rule out that these 10 knives weren't used used but these other five knives that he have
00:49:59
could have been used correct because a lot of times that is a little bit open to interpretation yes and so often what
00:50:06
you will hear in the courts or even on Dat line or what have you where the expert is
00:50:13
saying the wounds suffered by the victim are similar to what I would expect to see from someone if they chose to use
00:50:23
this knife as the murder weapon yeah and think of about that we're trying to without a shadow of a
00:50:29
doubt how I make noise what we're trying to do is without a shadow of a doubt prove that this guy committed these
00:50:37
crimes or did not prove these crimes so when you do the ballistics with the gun that's going to be difficult with the
00:50:43
casing because it doesn't have every single marking on that anybody that wants to dive more into these B
00:50:49
ballistic test and how they go down uh our buddy fig solves on you YouTube um just interviewed a FBI agent that does
00:51:00
these ballistic tests and they go into depth on how this test would um how these tests are oper how they operate
00:51:10
these tests but also what is [Music] the well in this case and that that's actually one of our documents that we
00:51:19
have for review here is they they they straight out state this is not so much a scientific test
00:51:28
this is a microscopic comparison right we we we took the two the one found at the murder
00:51:36
scene and one that we racked through his gun same caliber same bullet racked through this six sour P226 handgun and
00:51:47
we compared them under a microscopic lens and our expert our states expert has stated it is of their
00:51:58
opinion that this gun made those markings on the bullet that was found at the crime scene so what will happen
00:52:08
again I don't think it's an if it's a it will happen the defense team will then find a air quotes expert to say I
00:52:18
compared them as well and it is of my opinion that this gun did not it maybe you might and look if you get a really
00:52:27
honest one maybe you get an expert that says we can't rule out this gun but um there's you could get an expert that
00:52:36
says there's 21,000 other guns out there that could have made this these same marks there's there's the same you know
00:52:46
let's I don't know how many of those guns were produced that type of makeing model were
00:52:51
produced but I would think that that somebody could come forward and say you could put this in any 6our P226
00:53:02
handgun and rack it through and it would make similar if not almost identical marks so that that's something I don't
00:53:10
know have enough knowledge of but I'm letting you all know don't be so surprised when that happens well and
00:53:17
this is how they have to create a case against somebody if you don't have the definitive evidence again
00:53:25
the matching the stab wounds to a knife is not definitive the the ballistic test
00:53:34
is not definitive some of these other tests that they're going to run are not definitive eyewitness statements might
00:53:42
not be definitive but certainly not you keep having a you keep building that pile and and what and what I think will
00:53:51
happen is the more they build that pile and the more that the defense doesn't know how to defend their
00:53:58
client hopefully we see a a deal made and and a deal that law enforcement works with the
00:54:06
family members and and the surviving victims of this tragic crime most murder convictions are built and come off of
00:54:17
the backs of cases that are built on a mountain of Circ circumstantial evidence so
00:54:26
it wouldn't be crazy for that to be the situation in here as well but like you talked about with the knives it could
00:54:35
come down to someone's expert opinion but more than likely if you confiscated all these and this guy and his team are
00:54:42
all happy about well he didn't discard any of these things it I would be surprised if this dude
00:54:52
wasn't so dumb that he didn't just just I mean you're right by the water when you killed him you could have just
00:55:00
chucked that knife in the water somewhere and hope that the current takes it MH or or hope that they don't
00:55:07
find it off of their first search or second search or third search and it becomes lost or buried or gone forever
00:55:14
or he takes it home and failed to remove the hilt or the handle and there is if you find the victim's blood on on an
00:55:24
item in his possession right get out the hangman because that Cas his goose is cooked yeah we're
00:55:32
looking for blood and mud in this case they collected as said a lot of different electronic devices even
00:55:40
Chargers and things of that nature and before we get to the vehicle stuff uh note They confiscated an a white NFL
00:55:50
Colts skull cap so if you were looking for a reason to jump off of that team and find a new one um maybe maybe that's
00:55:59
the straw that broke the C's back all right although I do like that quarterback that they got coming in
00:56:04
watch out for him he's going to be a electric um so for the car stuff Captain so they they as you were talking about
00:56:12
They confiscated a they they made a sealed envelope containing a cutting of carpeted area underneath the
00:56:21
spare tire of the Ford Focus and they also collected two plastic wrappers containing one swab from a driver lap
00:56:32
belt and one swab from the driver shoulder belt of the Ford Focus and then they took two swabs from the passenger
00:56:43
side carpeting floorboard area so what they're doing here as the captain pointed
00:56:49
out they didn't really cut apart any of the seat belts or anything they just swabbed them
00:56:55
um and so they're looking for DNA that would be his DNA uh anybody that's been in his vehicle's DNA as well as
00:57:02
potential blood evidence and of those three items the only one that is stated that that they did a lab exam was the
00:57:11
carpet that was cut and they cut that from under the spare tire this actually tells me I have a
00:57:18
different interpretation as to why they would have done this uh than than what you stated previously here Captain oh
00:57:23
you're wrong is that I'm guessing this is strictly for fiber evidence I wouldn't expect to if I'm the
00:57:31
investigator and I'm searching this vehicle underneath the spare tire would be a place that I would I would think
00:57:38
would be less likely to have victim blood or victim DNA in that location as compared to
00:57:47
other locations in that in that vehicle so I think this might just be simply for
00:57:51
a fiber analysis and again that was the only sample that is noted here that was actually tested from items taken from
00:58:00
the vehicle this is probably just them doing their due diligence with those swabs but again we we don't know we're I
00:58:07
could be completely off the Mark here we're not the ones conducting this investigation
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