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grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime time for me [Music] in Lee County Florida at the start of
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the new year the local papers were releasing a special report about murders in the area
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from the previous year 1995 the title of the article murderers mainly strangers and it says Lee County sees 23 people
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slain in 1995 the article I'm referencing was in the January 2nd Fort Myers News Press
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throughout the article the newspaper will cite statistics sourced from the FBI Lee County Sheriff's Office Fort
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Myers police and Cape Coral PD one such statistic cited states that nationally in 1995
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about eight to ten people were murdered for every 100 000 people Lee County's population in 95 was about
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377 000 people Lee County saw 23 murders in 1995. which put them well below the national
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average the article reads in part to be a victim of murder in Lee County last year was in
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many cases to fall prey to someone who had set out to commit a robbery burglary or some other crime
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of the 23 people who died at the hands of others at least 10 were killed by thieves or
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drug dealers who stepped over a deadly line nationally only about 17 percent of murders are committed during other
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felonies in Lee County while the number of murders fell well below the national average
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they were well above the stranger on Stranger murder rate where someone committing some other type
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of felony offense kills a stranger in the process for instance a young man lost his life
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trying to fend off a robber who broke into his duplex the renter was stabbed to death with a
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kitchen knife the man who broke into the home killed the young man and made off with his television later trading the TV
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for twenty dollars worth of crack cocaine but more traditionally murder is a crime of passion
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committed by a jealous lover or angry friend that close connection between victim and
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attacker makes murder one of the simpler crimes to solve and one of the least preventable
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some of the homicides in Lee County in 1995 did not fit that mold some law enforcement officials were
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saying quote each year we get further and further away from the old homicide adage
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where it used to be the nearest and dearest said Lieutenant Jeff Taylor commander of the Lee County Sheriff's
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Office Major Crimes unit Bahama sides like that of the break-in the kitchen knife murder reflected a
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national trend that began about three years prior to 1995. and officials were saying that the
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relationship between victim and killer were starting to become more anonymous Nationwide
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23 305 people were murdered in 1994. among the killings in which the victim killer relationship was reported
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53 percent of the murderers Were Strangers where the police had not proven a link to the victim according to
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Alfred bloomstein a professor at the Heinz School of public policy and management at Carnegie Mellon University
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in Pittsburgh he says that is due to the growing rate of homicides committed by young people
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who are more likely to kill someone they didn't know these statements are true based on the
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numbers and statistics listed throughout the article Lee County was smart while the murder
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rate there was low they still did not lose sight of the fact that the Killer and victim relationship was changing
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nationally and changing even more so per capita in Lee County good on them to keep an eye on crime
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statistics and Trends and the jurisdiction that they are sworn to protect and serve
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it may or may not come as a surprise to you but not all law enforcement agencies
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care this much about crime statistics in fact I'm sure that several may just chalk it up to a bad year or bad luck
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not taking the time to examine the situation and better understand the situation
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one must first identify the problem and understand it before you can come up with a solution
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the article we cited came out on January 2nd 1996. and what the Sheriff's Office did not
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know is that murder trend would continue not just for Lee County but some of the surrounding counties as
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well and it would not be the youths of the area that they would need to be so concerned about
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because in the counties of Lee Charlotte and Sarasota Florida someone was picking up strangers
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torturing and killing them and leaving their mutilated bodies in the woods this is true crime garage
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and this is the hog Trail murders one day before that newspaper article ran a very strange and unusual incident
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was reported in Northport Northport is actually in Sarasota County Florida this week we will be talking a lot about
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three different counties all in the Southwest District of Florida those Three Counties going from north to south
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are Sarasota County Charlotte and Lee County on New Year's Day a nice family in Northport were horrified when their
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dog trotted up the lawn to their house with a human skull in the dog's mouth this is a much more quiet neighborhood
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this is not a high crime area or really even a high traffic area at all the dog regularly went into the woods back
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behind the family's backyard of course this is nothing that anyone would even expect that their dog would find and
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find so near to their home I might add and then bring it to the family's backyard this is a complete shock and a
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very disturbing surprise to this good family so they phone it into police the police
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come out to take a look see what's going on take a report the usual police business
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but put on your boots fellas and bring a forensic team with you because it looks
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like you're going to be body hunting in the woods today oh goody now almost as unnerving as the dog with the skull
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incident the family tells police that that same dog had been bringing bones to the family for about a month
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now but they thought that these bones had come from some kind of dead animal or dead animals in the
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area that makes sense detectives scour the area now we don't get a lot of information about the discovery that day
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but here are what little details that are revealed by law enforcement at the scene
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police do not find any items personal or otherwise that would help to identify who it was in the woods in fact they do
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not find any clothing either however police eventually pieced together much of a skeleton a skeleton belonging to
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one individual later it was determined that the body was then of a male and because of how
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and where the remains were found they were going to work this as a homicide unless they found evidence to suggest
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that it was not a homicide right so now we have a John Doe homicide or at least a suspicious death of a John Doe with an
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investigation to follow now this is interesting because about two years earlier one County over
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in the Port Charlotte area just on the other side of the county line on February 1st 1994 a mutilated
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corpse was discovered this is when a construction worker stumbled upon a partially decomposed body of a male who
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was naked and lying on his back unfortunately there was not much at the scene to help police with an
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identification in that case either do we know if the body was mutilated before it
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was buried or was it mutilated afterwards possibly by animals from my understanding in these two situations we
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don't have a burial at all from my understanding both are thought to have just been lying on the ground the victim
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that is right and of course with the dog situation we know that we do have the animal scattering the bones
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but with this February 1st 1994 case I don't know so much about the the activity the animal activity that that
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came with that one we do know that this corpse was mutilated and it was found not buried it was a male victim found
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naked lying on his back by this construction worker you have one body that's found by the dog the dog brings
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the skeleton back to its owners and that's in 1996 and then a county away they find this other unburied but
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mutilated body in 1994. yes and I know we said one County over but this is really just a matter of a handful of
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miles away it's not really a great distance at all right and this 1994 John Doe and this 96 John Doe this is
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all a very similar situation minus the dog however now at the scene of the 94 case police do not find any personal
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items that would identify who it was that they found in the woods they do not find any clothing either just like in
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the 96 case they do conclude a few pieces of information though one the body had been outside for about a month
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two they find rope burns on the skin and three the genitalia had been removed and
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discarded so the victim was tortured the unidentified male victim was tortured and killed
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likely right where he was found where he was later found let me discuss now because this victim was found first he
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is later referred to as John Doe number one the victim found almost two years later
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becomes John Doe number two but keep in mind at this time we don't know that they
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that these cases are in fact related okay so to recap here before we move on because this could get a little
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confusing we have an unidentified male victim found February 1st 1994 and then another unidentified male victim found a
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few miles away almost two years later on January 1st 1996. also we can deduce from the family story
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of the dog bringing bones for almost daily for up to a month that at the very least are John Doe number two was likely
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dead for a month if not two prior to the report that was given once the skull was brought to the family
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on New Year's Day 1996. when I believe both bodies were pretty badly decomposed that's right and I've heard one expert
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say that in Florida based off of the humidity the rate of decomposition is increased
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and therefore you could put somebody in the woods put a body in the woods and then later within a matter of weeks
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you could have a skeleton if not a month so it the the rate is certainly enhanced
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and increased in this area we're heading to Florida police much later will say that in all likelihood these homicides
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are connected so we have John Doe one and John Doe number two again to be perfectly clear
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in all reality we actually sit here 20 years well over 20 years later and we cannot say with
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100 certainty that these two cases are directly related but like the late great Bruce Lee said be as water my friend so
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we shall stay water live in the moment as we go through this timeline after all this is a very fluid situation I don't
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know if that's what Bruce Lee meant by that so we will take it one case at a time but unfortunately that also means
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one body at a time because two months after the discovery of John Doe number two a third man's mutilated body was
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discovered in Northport on March 7 1996. in this case police threw their forensics analysis and autopsy
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information they determined that this unidentified male victim was murdered but he had been killed only 10 days
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earlier so only approximately 10 days before the discovery of the body the male victim would quickly have to assume
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the name of John Doe number three now pardon the expression but because this body was quite a bit more fresh than the
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other two that old saying dead men tell no Tales well [ __ ] hey now while they may not
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be able to reveal all secrets the body of John Doe number three told a tale of a truly and deeply disturbing death
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there were ligature marks on both the chest and legs of John Doe number three's body yeah meaning that the
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victim was bound the victim's genitals had been amputated several sources have stated this is
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believed to have occurred after death now of course the detectives noting the similarities that they are seeing at the
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crime scenes and on the victims as well one detail they notice at the John Doe number three crime scene was ligature
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marks on a tree near the body one glaring difference that they noticed with John Doe number three
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were cuts on the bottoms of his feet this suggests that the victim had likely ran through the forest Sans shoes
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detectives had to wonder why and who was chasing this man through the woods did this man almost get away and what kind
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of killer would be out there so ruthlessly and determinedly pursuing the victim and makes you question was the
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victim bound before they're taken out to the woods or were they bound after they
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were caught did they play a game of cat and mouse right you can almost see this playing
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out like some kind of horror flick right with the the killer chasing down the victim at night in these woods and then
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mutilating the body in that despicable manner before he himself flees the area now let's back up just a little bit here
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captain at the John Doe number three crime scene detectives took special interest in those legature marks found
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on the tree that we briefly discussed well and here's why so after making that Discovery they
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decide to go back to the other two crime scenes and when returning to the crime scene of John Doe number one detectives
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discovered similar damage to a tree near where the body had been found over two years prior yeah you got to applaud law
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enforcement and detectives on this one this was a very smart idea then detectives took another trip this time
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out to the donut shop this time out to re-examine the area where John Doe number two was found right there they
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observe comparable marks on a tree near the spot where the body was found because of the very specific mutilation
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done to at least two of the victims possibly all three again we don't have a lot of information in some of these and
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as the captain pointed out we have a great deal of decomposition that's taken place
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but this specific type of Mutilation we should note this would be a signature this will indicate to a seasoned and
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experienced detective that they are very likely looking for one killer in all three cases or at least the same set of
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killers well similar dumping grounds but like you said they're miles away but these this is a signature now if you
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have a body that's not fully decomposed then you can see the bound marks obviously a body that's very badly
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decomposed you can't but sometimes there is evidence when they do the autopsy that they can see that the the victim
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was bound even if there's no skin left on that victim well and more so you have the mutilation of the body itself with
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the amputation of the genitals so a signature found at a crime scene a murder scene is an act that is not
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required in order to commit the crime rather it serves the emotional or psychological needs of the offender
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right the signature comes from within the psyche of the offender and it reflects a deep fantasy need that the
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killer has about his victims well I'm sure they did some tests because obviously these victims are found in
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these wooded areas and they're they're susceptible to having animals come upon them but there's a big difference
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between between a body being mutilated by animals and a body being mutilated by a killer
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love me [Music] all right we are back you hosers cheers captains cheers so the local authorities in Charlotte
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County and Sarasota County are armed and equipped with a good deal of information
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at least enough at this point that they believe that they are not harbored or hindered by linkage blindness they are
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seeing and finding details telling them that they are most likely looking for a Serial
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offender or serial killer but one very troubling fact of their case and investigation at this time was they were
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still unable to identify any of these victims they did not know who these victims were and therefore how these
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victims could be possibly related how did they all end up where they did and how did each one of
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them cross paths with the Killer and of course it's homicide investigation 101 all of our listeners
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know this but you start with the victim you start with their Inner Circle and you fan out from there on your
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investigation the problem here you don't know who the victim is not in just one case but all three cases but when you go
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back to the signatures obviously the victims being bound but I think the big red flag to connect these is is the
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markings on on the tree yes and and of course you know we we should continue to go back to that actual mutilation as
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well that's not something that's right common in any homicide I've been trying to forget about that information you're
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right we I probably should have wiped it from my mind as well I will do the best
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that I can to achieve that after Today's Show oh good luck now what's interesting
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to me here Captain though is the investigators seem to be hip to the idea that these cases could
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all be related but the public was not blind to this either there was now talk and rumors of
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a local serial killer being on the hunt in the area this talk was being bandied about at this time in our timeline
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so while the police were still trying to identify and sort out just to each one of these
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one two and three John does were well then just one month and 10 days later the following happened this would be
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another disturbing find that occurred in a wooded isolated area this in Charlotte
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County Florida the following takes place on April 17 1996. this is when two storm utility
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Engineers Thomas Rhys and Michael Tisch are out working in a heavy wooded and secluded area off of Highway 41.
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in fact this is very very close to where the body of John Doe was found I'm sorry
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John Doe number one was found like you said this is in the area of John Doe number one if I'm law enforcement and if
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I'm the detective and I get my detective voice on I'm going to be running cadaver
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dogs all through this area but the problem is this victim wasn't dead yet yes so this victim is
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discovered we have these two workers that discovered a human skull in the woods on April 17 1996 of course they
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called the Charlotte County Police Department patrolmen detectives and the forensic
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team arrive on the scene they secure the location and they start working now they are looking for your typical
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items right clothing weapons or anything else that would help them to identify the victim or would help them in their
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case their investigation they find a single pink fiber on a tree near where the skull was found
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then just a few feet from the skull they find a decomposed torso and part of a pelvis
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the body had been dismembered and was listed as John Doe number four but unfortunately
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that's not it a further calming of the area provided a severely haunting spectacle this is when one of the
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detectives spotted a still hand sticking up amongst the grass and the debris of the woods this hand belonged to another
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body the body hand attached was found wrapped up in a carpet padding lying at the foot of a
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tree the victim found in the carpet will be John Doe number five I mean this is a a
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vicious level of killer it seems as if he's there's evidence that he's chasing his victims there's evidence that he's
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bounding his victims up and torturing them and then dismembering them and then mutilating parts of their body I mean
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this this is a psycho yeah this is about as as weird and evil as it gets you know if
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one were to create a scale of such horrific things but we're talking about a situation where
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you can look at this and view this and and view what's happened to these unfortunately what's happened to these
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people either you know pre or post-mortem regardless what we have here is a situation where the Killer is
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spending a good deal of time with the victims this is not something where he abducts somebody or uses some type of
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ruse and 45 minutes later they're dead and he's gone hitting the highway right this is all things that are going to
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take a good amount of time all of these really disgusting and horrific activities that are taking place and we
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have no clue how long he has them at a different location whether that location is a house or
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a workshop somewhere or even just in a in a van right we're talking it could be as short as minutes it could be days and
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again the the problem really goes back to the core of your investigation at this time is that you don't know who any
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of these victims are yeah so you can't determine the the length of time that they spent captive or under the control
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of the killer it's all it's just all complete speculation with no basis at this point until you can
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identify any of these victims now they see this hand the body's still attached wrapped up in carpet padding lying near
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the foot of the tree they would of course label this victim as John Doe number five we don't know at this point
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in their investigation they have these suspicions based off of what they're seeing we review this and we have it
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seems very clear and cut and dried for us right that it's John Doe one through five well at the time they're likely
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just finding another John Doe and maybe for clarification purposes later applying numbers to them based off of
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when they were found well every time you say cut and dry keep grabbing my twigging berries the state of this body
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of John Doe number five was very much like the previous four it was devastating of course the victim in this
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case was naked lying on his back with signs of ligature marks around his neck chest and legs and his genitals too had
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been removed the detectives found rope marks on a tree near the body so this is all lining up with what they found at
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the other scenes so this find was about 50 yards from where the John Doe number four skull and body
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were found so not a very far distance from the fourth victim this fifth victim and I apologize
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there's no nice way of saying a lot of these things this fifth victim had a head and had likely been killed based
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off of what they're seeing at the crime scene in the state of the body had likely been killed
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within a few days prior to the Grim Discovery maybe even less time had gone by than that right and like you said
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because of the Florida Heat and the humidity they're going to be able to you know
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deduce a time frame they also find a tiny paint chip that was found on the body and rope fibers were found on the
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ground and a tree this information quickly hits the streets and the news so where there was once talk and rumors of
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an active serial killer in the area these were sort of Whispers from the bushes at that time now with this noon
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news two more bodies being found two more male victims both unidentified still even after police were done
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searching the area where the bodies were located now Captain speculation became rampant
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about a serial killer and how quickly the media dubbed the murders the hog Trail killings so we have five victims
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five John does and obviously based off science we're trying to identify these individuals but there's no wallet found
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but we do have we have this carpet padding found we have some rope and we said we have some paint chips kind of
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makes you think that we should be looking for somebody maybe in the construction field yeah the um media as
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said quickly dubbed the murders the hog Trail killings name so for the wooded areas in which the bodies of the victims
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were found at least one source that I found Captain said that this general area was a popular spot where people
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would discard Pig and hog carcasses which I'm not sure how right that sounds I was unaware that there was such a need
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for the discarding of pig and hog carcasses that there would be quote a place popular for this sort of activity
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or that there would even be one place more popular than another for that sort of activity I also read that this area
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was an area where one would expect to see quite a bit of wildlife activity likely an abundance of Wild Hawks
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so that seems to reason that might make a little more sense why we're calling it
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The Hog Trail murders well also it could be that they were hogtied now we will get back to the news covered of
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these last two bodies that were found here in a minute but I do have some brief but intriguing information that
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was discovered during the autopsy process so I'd like to get to all of that first we'll make it fast the
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autopsy from the male victim found in the carpet was determined to be that of a white male victim in his 20s they
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found that he was strangled to death with rope they found several ligature marks on the body that included two
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ligature marks on the front of his neck two horizontal marks on the right side of his chest a braided grooves around
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his wrist the victim's genitals had been removed with a very sharp knife or scalpel now all of the ligature marks in
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a braided grooves were of similar width but these marks didn't extend to the victim's back
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this was telling the marks were found on the body and equally as important were where they were not found on the
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body this was consistent with marks that would be left on an individual that had
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been tied to a tree they figured the man had been dead for a little more than 24
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hours before being found they will be able to fingerprint this victim because he's not been there very long
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they fingerprinted the victim and ran the prince through the system it was then discovered
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this victim who was dubbed John Doe number five was rather quickly and positively id'd as 21 year old Richard
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Montgomery so we have one identification of five victims this young Richard Montgomery had been arrested at one
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point in his life and when he was arrested they took his fingerprints and thus he was in the system and now
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identified as a murder victim and a seemingly string of possibly connected murders and you're saying based off of
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these marks on his body this would indicate that he was tied to a tree correct if you if you think about
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where I said all of the marks were on the body right they're all on the front of the body none of them are on the back
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and then we also have similar markings that are found on nearby trees so you put two and two together and it
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would appear that not only were the victims tied to this tree but he would be tied
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facing out his back is up against the the trunk of the tree right so unfortunately two more bodies found
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is bringing us to five possibly connected victims but the big break here is at least we have identified one of
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them yeah I'm guessing at this point law enforcement is leaning heavily towards the idea that these John does are
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connected and that these murders are connected and possibly done by one individual so one male victim found in
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February of 1994. one male victim recovered in January of 96. in March another male victim recovered and then
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in April again of 1996 two more male victims found so five victims in total found in three different locations in
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four separate discoveries John does one through four unidentified John Doe number five identified as 21 year old
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Richard Montgomery and we've unfortunately have covered other cases where there's dumping grounds like Gilgo
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Beach and West Mesa body pit but normally when they found one victim they're finding the other victims you
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know back to back but this is almost even scarier because they're finding a victim later they're finding another
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victim and then they're finding victims that are only been deceased a couple weeks or maybe less than a week yeah
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we've we've reviewed some cases where a body is found and then months or even a year or so later they return to the
00:37:46
scene because they're kind of they're sitting there with an unsolved case and they want to go back to square one they
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go back to square one they find another body and in those cases it's it's quite alarming and really disturbing that you
00:38:00
learn that oh that body had been there the whole time it you know when they found the first victim right this body
00:38:06
was already there here in this situation it's much different John Doe was found in in an area very near
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John does number four and five or number five who is later identified as Richard
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Montgomery but John Doe number four and Richard Montgomery they were able to determine they were not dead at the time
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that they found John Doe number one right but think about that so this killer has to know that law enforcement
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is finding these bodies or we should assume that they might know and they don't really change their strategy they
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don't change their Killing Fields they don't change their dumping grounds yes like you said there's multiple locations
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but they're not that far apart it's a you know if you drew a circle around all the three locations it's a
00:38:57
what 10 mile radius maybe um it's it's difficult to say I'm looking at it here on the map the um
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John Doe number two was found considerably closer to John Doe's one four and five uh one four
00:39:09
and five again they were all like kind of within walking distance but that's what I'm saying one another but yeah
00:39:14
your right guy is he is tying his victims up to trees he is cutting off their genitals he is torturing them he's
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chasing them he's you know immediately in the bodies probably postmortem also and he's going hey I like this area this
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is my spot and I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing and uh good luck trying to catch me well yeah and it makes you
00:39:39
wonder not only to this psychology of the Killer but also what has happened throughout the course of this case right
00:39:48
you've you've only identified one of the five right doesn't that make you worry that oh John
00:39:54
Doe number one may have been there for consider even even longer than we had originally anticipated and the killer
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was happy to place another body there because John Doe number one went undiscovered for so long
00:40:07
well no you also I would be doing searches on trees because let's say we found 10 trees that
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had these similar markings well there might be five other victims that we haven't found that maybe were buried
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deeper or weren't buried at all and they were completely just um uh they were completely dismembered uh
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by animals and d and decomposed completely where we'll never find them but maybe we'd
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find evidence of these tree markings on other trees so as said police get their first big
00:40:46
break this is with the identification of John Doe number five as being that of 21
00:40:52
year old Richard Montgomery and as we said identifying him was easy due to the fingerprints
00:41:00
the dismembered body found near victim Richard Montgomery which it was determined had been there
00:41:08
for several weeks might prove to be a little more difficult but not as difficult as the first three John does
00:41:16
this is because of an identifier found on John Doe number Four's body detectives found a tattoo on the
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shoulder of this victim and hope that this would help to identify this person so on the Nightly News
00:41:34
they tell the public what they had discovered on those hog trails they showed a picture of what I was hoping to
00:41:43
find a description of this tattoo and could not but they showed a picture of what they were calling a unique tattoo
00:41:52
on the Nightly News in hopes that someone could identify this person well they get their second break here because
00:42:01
after showing this picture on the Nightly News a woman called in and said my brother 25 year old Kenny Smith had
00:42:12
that same tattoo on his shoulder So based off of this information and some information that they collect from the
00:42:19
Smith family and with the help of dental records they would later confirm that it
00:42:25
was him John Doe number four was Kenneth L Smith age 25 from nearby Naples Florida and we've covered so many cases
00:42:34
I mean this is what episode number 600. oh slip past the goalie I'd boom didn't even make the uh
00:42:43
what an accomplishment we should have celebrated better only two more episodes to go and then I quit right I told you
00:42:50
from the beginning don't worry America I'll do the last nine by myself no but I we've covered so many cases but
00:42:59
it's hard to get over how sick this individual is and I uh and Brazen it's almost like I am going to
00:43:08
torture I'm going to kill these people and by the way you can't stop me and I'm going to keep coming back to this area
00:43:14
it seems as if these this is not just the Killing Fields or Gilgo Beach this is just not dumping grounds this is also
00:43:25
his torture chamber well and I want to let's hit on something right here so we can move past it going forward right
00:43:34
because it would be silly to sit here and constantly say possibly related victims possibly related crimes as you
00:43:41
pointed out Captain law enforcement in this area are actively treating this as these crimes are in fact connected again
00:43:50
to be fair we cannot sit here even 20 years later and say with 100 certainty that they are but let's go off of law
00:44:00
enforcement's assessment of these crimes they're working it as it's all connected
00:44:05
so we're going to treat it the same and you're right you're really hitting in on something here that I think is
00:44:12
kind of lost in this overall story it gets it gets lost in the shuffle here you either have two very
00:44:22
extremely scary situations one if they're not connected then you have two individuals in your area
00:44:30
doing very similar horrific crimes that involve mutilation and torture and killing people and leaving them in the
00:44:37
woods that's terrifying right forget about one person doing it if you had two or more horrific
00:44:43
how old is Florida however going off of what law enforcement's assessment is that these are in fact
00:44:51
connected and they're working it as such you can still sit here and go my God how scary is this where you have
00:45:01
one individual doing this and as you point out so Brazen that oh you found one of my bodies you found two or three
00:45:10
of my victims here's another one not terribly far from where I left the first one right here oh
00:45:16
here's another one here's here's an individual that cannot stop doing this even now that the threat of getting
00:45:25
caught the risk level for his activities has increased significantly with the finding of the first second and third
00:45:33
body he is still active still hunting prey in this area now without getting too far into the psychology of this
00:45:44
particular killer now we've said it before and we'll say it again in the captain's last two episodes in my last
00:45:52
11. that on these cases especially the serial offender cases you can build a profile of your killer or Killers but
00:46:00
you don't just profile the offender no in this case you're going to profile the offender the
00:46:07
victims the locations and the situation and good old-fashioned detective work and your profile are going to tell you
00:46:16
we got someone hunting in this area preying on vulnerable men that are either transient or homeless this is
00:46:24
based off of the identification of two of your victims right the perpetrator was torturing and killing his victims
00:46:31
after tying them to trees and out of the way wooded areas he mutilates and leaves
00:46:38
the victims where they are killed and then they go undiscovered for some time the bodies that are found relatively
00:46:46
quick show a great deal of trauma and degradation done to the body right Florida authorities were looking for one
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