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foreign Little Miss Colorado six-year-old murder victim JonBenet Ramsey unknown intruder
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brother [Applause] [Music] JonBenet Ramsey foreign [Music] [Music] all right please explain to me what's
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going on okay a note was left in your daughter is Young how old is your daughter
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[Applause] I don't know I just put someone else oh my God these kids are saying each other
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so I don't know there's a ransom note here it's a ransom note it says it's fbtc victory
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please okay what's your name are you coming oh my God foreign do you know how long she's been gone
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please we just got out some shoes on here please I am honey please take a deep breath
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away okay hurry hurry [Applause] Patty [Applause] [Music] thank you for the beautiful trailer for
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this week here captain and thank you for playing Patsy's 9-1-1 call now just to clear up any type of confusion I think
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we should jump right into as a transcript of that 9-1-1 call so we can all have a clear understanding what is
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said on both ends from the 9-1-1 operator as well as Patsy Ramsey when 9-1-1 picks up the call Patsy
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Ramsey says police 9-1-1 what's going on ma'am Patsy Ramsey 755 15th Street what's going on there ma'am Patsy we
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have a kidnapping hurry please 9-1-1 explain to me what's going on okay Patsy there we have a there's a note
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left and our daughter's gone 9-1-1 a note was left and your daughter's gone Patsy yes
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9-1-1 how old is your daughter she is six years old she's blonde six years old how long ago was this Patsy I don't know
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I just got the note and my daughter's gone 9-1-1 does it say who took her Patsy what 9-1-1 does it say who took
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her Patsy no I don't know there's a there's a ransom note here 9-1-1 it's a ransom note Patsy it says
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sbtc Victory please 9-1-1 okay what's your name are you Kathy Patsy Ramsey I'm the mother oh my
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God please 9-1-1 okay I'm sending an officer over okay Patsy please 9-1-1 do you know how long she's been
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gone no I don't please we just got up and she's not here oh my God please 9-1-1 okay Cal
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Patsy please send somebody 9-1-1 I am honey Patsy please 9-1-1 take a deep breath in Patsy
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she says hurry hurry hurry 9-1-1 says Patsy Patsy Patsy at the start of this call it appears that Patsy Ramsey is
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asking for the police now we only hear her say police there are some reports that state that that is inaudible that
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we cannot tell what Patsy is saying in that first line yeah and there's some people that speculate that she actually
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goes to say ambulance and cuts herself off and says please she's immediately asked what is going on
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to which she responds giving her a dress again what is going on there ma'am she states we have a kidnapping hurry please
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what I decipher from this very quick little snippet at the beginning of the call is
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I kind of think good and bad when we look at the the scales of Justice in regards to
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Patsy Ramsey she's doing exactly what I would expect a mother who is terrified what could be
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going on her daughter is gone and found a ransom note right she is asking for the type of help that she needs police
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she is asking she is stating where she is located and immediately just stating the problem at hand we have a kidnapping
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and then asking hurry please we've gone through a lot of these 9-1-1 calls over the years yeah they drive me nuts one
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thing that I've always called into question is when we have a lengthy call and the person is failing to ask for
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help to respond to the situation until later in the call right here this call roughly
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is about I was trying to time it it's roughly it's a little over a minute I'm 42 seconds or something and we have
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within seven seconds of the call she is actually asking for help she's asking for someone to respond to the scene
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right so I think a good sign for Patsy where I say that I think a bad sign for Patsy is
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and this might be just too much speculation on my part but it almost appears to me in somewhat
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of a manner that she believed that she could ask for the type of help that she wants police or ambulance
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she states where they are located and states the problem at hand the kidnapping part of me wonders if she
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thought that the conversation was going to go any further than that right that okay now I'm off the hook I've made this
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call I've told them the help that we need let's wait for them to respond very good here we have the 911 operator
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asking again explain to me what is going on okay one thing that I will point out that I
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think is good for Patsy Ramsey here is and what do you mean good good in the sense that let's say she's innocent of
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any wrongdoing she goes immediately into we have a there's a note left in our daughter's
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gone meaning where my first suspicion was that this this conversation was going to
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be over as soon as she said there's a kidnapping please hurry right then she's asked what is going on she
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without hesitation goes into what is going on she doesn't stumble you know like I would expect somebody that has a
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lot to hide to possibly stumble at that point in the conversation a lot up yeah a lot of uh uh um and then there's
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several back and forth about you know our daughter's gone and there's a note here she gives a brief description
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it's six years old she's blonde she's a six-year-old girl yeah a lot of people give her a check mark in the in the
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guilty column for never saying her daughter's name but In fairness to Patsy Ramsey she's
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never asked what the daughter's name is how old is she correct what's your name correct and then we do have a portion
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here where I find it interesting that 9-1-1 is okay what's your name are you Kath
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so there are several there's several um versions of this call out there right I find this one to be the most complete
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one that I have seen and so I'm going with this one I hear her say The Operators say are you Cath
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which just I find that interesting because it doesn't she doesn't seem to know where the call is coming from at
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that time almost like she's going to ask her are you Kathleen or Kathy right but yeah I I think it's probably just
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inaudible and and that's the closest somebody could put down to decipher so I have Patsy Ramsey of course she's
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asking for help numerous times asking that they please hurry numerous times throughout this call but even in this
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very short call six or seven seconds into it is the first time that she asked for help and then again around the 42nd
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Mark and basically the whole second half of the call is her asking for help or for them to please hurry so where I
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always stand on those is if we have a situation where somebody calls 9-1-1 and they are not asking for help because
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that's essentially that's all 9-1-1 is there for for you to call and request help
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assistance of some sort yeah my issue with a lot of these 9-1-1 calls is is just the
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the lack of calmness and and obviously that's easier said than done but yes you read the note you yelled for
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your husband you ran to your husband you had some kind of conversation with your
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husband he reads the note then he says hey call police which one out of the two individuals we know which one's calmer
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John Ramsey so maybe you should call because like you said after you ask for help maybe that's where you think it
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should stop it's normally where it doesn't stop so 911 is going to keep you or whoever
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calls on the line as long as they can unless you have really good reason to not be on the call
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yeah this this call also gets put into question because I would think when you start talking to
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somebody and saying hey we have an emergency here's where we're at by me talking to you the reason why they
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keep you on the phone is to start calming you down so as you as the call progresses
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Patsy doesn't get more calm I think this to me is either a sign that she's Faking It
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and she's a drama queen or this is happening in real time when this happens so quickly and as
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they're asking her questions she's still processing the fact that her kid is gone
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and what the hell are we going to do yeah and one of the things that I find really interesting and I believe John
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Douglas talks about this is one of the key things that he believes that she didn't know much about
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the note and we'll go get to the note later but a lot of people speculate that she wrote
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it well if she wrote it and they said who's the note from that if she was really familiar with the
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note she would have just said sbtc but it's almost like she has to flip to that part of the note
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and then she reads from down to upwards she reads sbtc that makes no sense so she goes to
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the next word to try to find the answer sbtc nope that's not a good answer victory
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oh that's not a good answer either see what I'm saying so if somebody is more familiar with the note they they
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probably wouldn't have read from down to up probably when it had to flip to the back uh to the third page to find the
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answer that's assuming that that she's doing that but it sounds like the way she's describing things on that 9-1-1
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call it sounds as if that is in fact what she is doing yeah it'd be very good acting I would think if she's faking
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that well you said drama queen I do believe she took some drama courses be it in high school or college but here's
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what it drives me nuts is like on the we're always constantly going well here's how I would have reacted or this
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is how I think somebody should react where because if you did if John Ramsey called and said
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my name is John Ramsey my my daughter JonBenet Ramsey's missing she's six years old she's blonde she's about
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however tall that they would persecute him for being too calm and not be an emotional enough right
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well I to me I don't try to look too much into the to try to figure out the emotions of the
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person making the call I never do that my whole thing is just I always question when they are finally
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asking for help because that's that's what 9-1-1 is it's truly a Lifeline it is their only
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to be asking for help and when somebody is in a situation as severe as this I expect them to be
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asking for help very quickly in the call and the reason why I always reference that is because if it's a put on if
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you're only calling 9-1-1 because you feel that that's what you are supposed to do or how you are supposed to act in
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this situation and you in fact did something terrible then really you don't want help to show
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up inside deep down inside you you're hoping it's delayed as possible because you don't want to have to explain
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anything to anyone right because you don't want them to know what you've done so I always take that into account when
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I when I listen to these I never try to listen to the emotion because as you very uh very well pointed out
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we don't know how each one of us would behave or react to these different situations we there is no right way to
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act or wrong way to behave on these calls and the call gets a little more interesting at the end
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because there is no okay see you later or we'll be here waiting there's no end and that's where I
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believe possibly at that point John Ramsey is trying to tell Patsy Ramsey something
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there's something going on at that house that is pulling her attention away from
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the phone call and and at that point going that minute and 40 some seconds on the
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phone to that mother could have felt like an hour so she might have been like look I said
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all I need to say now there's stuff going on here and now I'm talking to these individuals then the phone hangs
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up and it's always been kind of a mystery what has been said at the end this is from a 2016 Story on bustle.com
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there's long been debate over what exactly happened at the tail end of the of the recording with some arguing the
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call did not immediately disconnect after Patsy hung up the receiver and that a third voice can be heard
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the 911 tape has been analyzed nine times nine different times by everyone from the FBI to the U.S Secret Service
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to professional audio Laboratories to CBS to an amateur internet sleuth neither the FBI or the Secret Service
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have reported hearing a third Voice or any other extended conversation now if we back up a few years before
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this 2016 story on bustle.com from Steve Thomas's book we have this from page 15.
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the telephone call gave us a Cornerstone of evidence when he says us he means the
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boulder detectives working the case not so much for what was easily heard but for what was found when experts
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washed out the background noise it has been my experience as a police officer that such emergency calls are
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virtually unchallengeable they are tape recorded and either something was said or it is not right
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tapes can be so powerful that prosecutors regularly play them so a jury can hear the actual voices and
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emotions of the participants in preliminary examinations detectives thought they could hear some more words
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being spoken between the time Patsy Ramsey said hurry hurry hurry and when the call was terminated
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however the FBI and the U.S Secret Service could not lift anything from the background noise on the tape
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as a final effort several months later we contacted the electronic Wizards at the Aerospace Corporation in Los Angeles
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and asked them to try to decipher The Sounds behind the noise their work produced a startling conclusion Patsy
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apparently having trouble hanging up the telephone and before it rested in the Cradle she was heard to moan help me
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Jesus help me Jesus her husband was heard to bark we're not talking to you and in the background was a young
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sounding voice what did you find according to Steve Thomas he says this young sounding voice was
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jonbenet's brother Burke the Ramses would repeatedly tell us again meaning the detectives that their
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son did not wake up at any point throughout the night of the crime he says we knew differently yeah but
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there's there's so many problems with all this I mean CBS did the analysis on this
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to eliminate all the background noises nearly impossible so I don't care what kind of state of
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the art system you have um it's that's just not how audio works there's distortions and and
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things that are happening naturally because it's a phone call that you're not going to be able to eliminate
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so and I again I think these are it's one of these dumb points that okay if you prove
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that she's saying you know Jesus Jesus helped me Jesus or whatever and then you hear
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in the background which I hear something like that and then I also hear some other noise
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which they're claiming is John Ramsey and he's saying to then Burke and when you watch the CBS special I think they
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do a good job to go okay that's possible there was also speculation for a couple years after that
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that she was saying um what have I done so there's been all these you know different accounts of what she's saying
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okay let's just say that you're saying what CBS is saying and and what what the detectives are saying is true
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and then they came to you and said that well Burke wasn't up so we don't we don't know well we know
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that Burke had to wake up at some point and we know that Burke was awake by the time the police got there
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so what does it prove other than their misremembering and there's plenty of detectives and plenty of law enforcement
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and plenty of FBI agents that have looked at this case and said you know just let's take a step back
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when Patsy Ramsey says well I checked in on JonBenet and then I went down the steps
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and then it later changes to I went down the steps saw the note then I went to check on her
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that could be in that moment of trauma if she has no involvement and her daughter going missing she might never
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remember which order it happened she is just telling you the best of her ability what she thinks
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happened so take that same scenario uh Burke wasn't up when I was on the 9-1-1 call well maybe
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you're misremembering maybe because of the trauma because of all the stuff going on in your head and in the house
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that um he wasn't up when you went to make the call he was up when he hung up the phone
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we'll continue along on the timeline as we go here but according to eyewitness reports Burke
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Ramsay did not wake up until after police had arrived on the scene I want to jump back here Captain before we get
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into this timeline a little more because I want to really focus in on something that you said regarding that that tail
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end of the call what has been called into question and has been a debate of what was said if something was said and
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what was really going on I think there's good reason to debate that I think there's good reason for
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people to question what they believe that they're hearing part of it is the reports that are out there
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depending on who you look at depends on what report you get on what is if in fact anything at the tail end of that
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call right I personally cannot hear I hear something I can't hear the words that are said I
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believe what I'm hearing is at least two different voices but I wouldn't say but to get I wouldn't
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bet my I wouldn't bet the title of my vehicle on that I'm hearing three different voices I think I hear three
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things going on but I don't know that for certain that I hear three different voices
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so the way that this would work out is that Patsy didn't hang up the phone all the way and then these words are spoken
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again I find it interesting that we have so many different let's call them scientists for a lack of
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better words right so many different scientists coming out and saying oh we did this to the audio
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we did that to the audio and this is what we heard oh we didn't hear anything we can't clean it up we did clean it up
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varying reports according to bustle.com at least nine different agencies took a look at this
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regarding Steve Thomas I find him to be I believe him to be is what I should say
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a reputable Detective if he says this is what they found I do put some weight to that
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where I won't go all in on his statement is this has never been presented in the
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court of law and therefore I have to go with his word but at the same time he's saying that all these
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other different agencies couldn't find anything or couldn't decipher what was being said
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right and I like I said I think you could start saying that you you hear these words
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and then you start hearing those words and if you take a different term then maybe you start hearing that term
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and the audio is just not clear and there's just not the technology to clean it up to the point where it's definitive
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that there is another voice I also again or at least to the point that it's been played in that manner for
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the public right but I don't understand what the gotcha moment would be that if they've got you a moment I would
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believe that would be that Burke was awake that that is a very that's a very uh pivotal moment in this case
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but why would they lie about that I'm not saying that they I I again what I have read from several FBI agents when
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they say this misremembering or switching up the order of which you did something
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might not be so nefarious it just simply might be you have blocked that out that people
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sometimes when they see their their child dead for the next couple hours it's all
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a blur and that's very it's a very good possibility in this case and so this idea where people go well
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Burke wasn't up well at 5 52 you check on him is it possible that there's commotion he comes down
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says something you tell him to go to his room whatever and you misremember and since you misremembered then you double
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down on on this because we know that we know at some point they become a suspect
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and then it seems like they doubled down on a lot of a lot of things and I'm just
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saying what does it prove I don't think it proves anything other than the possibility that they are lying
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and I would really call into question what is actually going on in that household and what are they pretending
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to be doing or pretending is going on if they are in fact lying about Burke being
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awake yeah but I to me it would matter more if it was something where it's like we kind of hear our third voice saying
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hey did you find my sister I killed her you know or something to that effect but
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a kid going oh what did you find this again the only thing like you said which I agree
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it I find it very difficult that they I find it very difficult that they would misremember this I find it more so that
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it points out that they're lying when you have some something that indicates possible deception you then have to call
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everything else into question it doesn't make them look so credible going forward
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the other issue that I take with this is then it calls into question well if in fact you are telling the truth and he
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slept through this whole thing why didn't you wake him up to ask him any questions he possibly could have seen
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something or heard something or offered something of value for the investigation
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or to the parents who at that point should be calling for help also should be looking for their daughter or
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searching the home well again with the best technology I think it's too difficult to clean up to say for certain
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what is said at the end of that tape [Music] foreign [Music] [Music] welcome back
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year's beer fund happy holidays out there to everyone in the garage Army after the 9-1-1 call the Ramses call
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Fleet and Priscilla white and then call John and Barbara Fernie there is some dispute about who was called first but
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regardless due to other events in this timeline we know that the calls were made before 5 59 A.M
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as we go forward with the timeline let's keep in mind that there are different reports having different details within
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the timeline there are a lot of moving pieces and a lot of witnesses providing information to fill out that timeline so
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we will try to deliver this portion in the most clear and concise manner that we can
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at 5 59 am Boulder Police Officer Rick French arrives on the scene he arrives at the home of John and Patsy Ramsey
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just before 6 a.m and a BPD Boulder Police Department marked Carr what is not in dispute is that the fact
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that officer French was the first law enforcement officer to arrive at the Ramsey house most reports would have
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officer French arriving at 5 59 this is based around him arriving seven minutes after the 9-1-1 call which 9-1-1 logged
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that call at 5 52. some reports have French arriving earlier and he could have but that would have to mean that
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the 911 call log is not correct at approximately 6 A.M officer French reads the ransom letter in a story based
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on reading the police reports Newsweek reporters claim French read The Ransom note and later conducted a quick search
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of the house in contrast other reports claim French did the house search first and then read The Ransom note
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French himself stated in a Vanity Fair interview that after being greeted by Patsy on arrival John Ramsey directed me
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through the house and pointed out a three-page handwritten note which was laid on the wooden floor just west of
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the kitchen area sometime after 6 a.m officer French searched the basement another report States French immediately
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searched the house looking for a point of entry only after he did that search he read The Ransom note detective Steve
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Thomas's account is far different in terms of timing stating with detectives finally on the scene they arrived at 8
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10 a.m according to Thomas to handle Witnesses French checked the garage and lower levels of the house looking for
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places through which the kidnapper might have carried off the child he found none
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the house was messy but he saw no sign of a struggle that last account comes from the leading
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detective Steve Thomas but let's keep in mind while he was one of the leading detectives on the case he was not
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present at the Ramsay home on the day in question regardless of the exact timing of this
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search it is important to note according to police reports that during the search
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the officer fails to search what Ramses and later everyone else would refer to as The Wine Cellar room
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from the police reports in French's search of the basement quote he came to a door secured with a
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wooden latch he paused for a moment in front of the door but walked away and quote he does not enter this room which
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would later be called into question right in the police report French filed he says he didn't open The Wine Cellar
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room door because he was looking for exits the kidnapper might have used this door he deemed to be secure he noticed
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the latch was on the wrong side of the door this meaning for someone leading out of the house right so he kept moving
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this is the windowless room that is referred to as the cellar room and French does not know that there's no
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windows in that room that's not why he doesn't open that door what he determines is that it would be
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physically impossible for someone to close the door behind them and secure the latch once in the room right because
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the latch would be on the opposite side of the door while this is all going on Sergeant Reichenbach arrives and
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conducts a search I want to go through this a little bit here Captain because as said there's a
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lot of moving pieces and the timing of all of this stuff seems to vary depending on who you talk to
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what I think is important to know going forward is most of what I would consider
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to be the key events I believe them all to have actually happened what you would call in a
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question is the timing of those events right not if they occurred or not it seems like all of the all of the
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possible Witnesses would claim that all of these things do in fact happen it's just in what order
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and when right so I put in here Sergeant Reichenbach arrives and conducts a search of the home the reason why I put
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it in here is because if you go from John Douglas's information he states that both Sergeant Reichenbach
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and officer French searched the home before this next event happened this next event is marked at 603 am or
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minutes after six this is when friends Fleet and Priscilla white arrive at the Ramsay house
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within 15 minutes of their arrival according to Mr White's later testimony he alone searched the basement
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Fleet white said when he went downstairs to look for JonBenet Ramsey the lights were already on in the basement
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Fleet white then searches the train room or what he would call the playroom he testified that a window in the
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basement playroom or train room was broken under the broken window Mr White states
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there was a suitcase along with a broken Shard of glass he does not however remember whether the
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window was open or closed there is a report that States Fleet white moved this suitcase and placed it
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under the window some reports state that this window was open some say it was closed Fleet white
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also opened the door to The Wine Cellar room but he could not see anything inside because it was dark remember
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there's no windows in this room right and he could not find the light switch anybody that's familiar with this home
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in the layout of the home one thing that's always been called into question is that the light switch for this wine
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cellar room is in a strange spot it's not in that go-to spot that one would immediately turn to naturally to flip on
00:35:46
the light right he doesn't see anything and he said he closed the door and secured the latch now according to Steve
00:35:54
Thomas he says at 6 30 a.m Fleet white searches the basement same incident with a slightly different
00:36:01
time and description of observations Thomas's notes state that within approximately 10 to 15 minutes of his
00:36:08
arrival Fleet white searched the basement of the Ramsey's residence he noticed that the lights were on saw the
00:36:14
broken window in the train room and looked for broken glass and found a small piece of glass
00:36:19
the latch on the window was in the unlocked position and his impression was that the window was closed he looked in
00:36:27
The Wine Cellar but could not see anything and went back upstairs at 6 10 AM Boulder Police Department Officer
00:36:36
Carl Veach responds to the scene Captain we do need to point out here that contrary to normal protocol the police
00:36:43
did not seal off the home of the Ramses yeah they missed a lot of things with protocol yeah in other words any person
00:36:52
in the Ramsey house could and did move freely throughout the home at this time this includes officers and the Ramses
00:37:00
and the whites as we know Fleet white at some point even though in dispute of the
00:37:06
exact timing did search the lower level of the home well anytime that there's a victim that is that young of age and
00:37:15
then you have a ransom note or a kidnapping situation what I've heard is that you're supposed
00:37:23
to go okay let's prove this Theory first that like that the child is not in the house
00:37:31
that something didn't happen this in this house and we're not trying to cover it up with with this tactic
00:37:38
and obviously we they didn't do that they just assumed that this is a kidnapping a typical kidnapping and and
00:37:46
we're going to trust the parents on this one and and move forward so there's a few things in that very same regard that
00:37:54
I find to be interesting based off of witness statements and this includes law enforcement and civilians we have the
00:38:02
two officers that Douglas says searched the home before Fleet White both of them state that they're looking
00:38:09
for exit points from the house so that means you're going to be searching probably the basement and the ground
00:38:17
level this might lead them to have no reason if that's in fact what they are searching for
00:38:23
this might lead them to not have cause to search the second floor and of course the third floor right the other thing we
00:38:31
have Fleet white he states that he is looking for JonBenet Ramsey he's he states that his purpose of searching the
00:38:37
home was to look for the little girl this based off of a real life situation that that he experienced where I believe
00:38:45
it was his daughter was missing and she was just hiding somewhere right you know
00:38:51
it was just one of those parental scare moments that people have the difference here is
00:38:57
there's a ransom note but I don't believe if if you believe Fleet White's account he very likely would have no
00:39:05
knowledge of this Ransom note before he went off on his search right right the other thing though Captain
00:39:11
where you talked about protocol and the missteps by the Boulder Police Department
00:39:18
The Ransom note says do not contact the police and one standard bit of protocol I would guess here I'm making an
00:39:27
assumption I do not know this to be true it seems very strange to me that when you are reporting a kidnapping with a
00:39:36
ransom note that Boulder responds by sending a marked police car to the scene that's
00:39:44
the first car that shows up it seems to me like it would be more beneficial to that exact situation if you would send
00:39:52
at least a detective in an unmarked car right so a lot of things going on here I
00:39:59
I say all that but I also question current Day present day even 1996 how much experience would a police
00:40:10
department have with a kidnapping and a ransom note that's kind of an old school crime
00:40:18
I wonder how often the these Protocols are taught I know that they have kidnappings and they deal with
00:40:25
abductions and missing persons cases but one in fact where there's a ransom note
00:40:30
saying hey this person's going to die unless you give us this money I just find it so
00:40:36
strange how many people the parents caught to say hey look JonBenet is missing come over come to the house yeah just
00:40:44
after 10 a.m is when family friend John Fernie arrives his his wife Barbara Fernie came later and that's reported as
00:40:53
just before 6 20 a.m so we have Fleet white Priscilla white John ferny Barbara Fernie all at the Ramsey
00:41:02
house as of 6 20 A.M this is about a half hour after the 9-1-1 call is placed right we also need
00:41:11
to keep in mind that not only do we have all these extra civilians in the house but we also have several officers that
00:41:18
have arrived they're trying to assess what's going on they're talking to John they're talking to Patsy and what John
00:41:27
says is that after he was aware that something was wrong that he did check the first floor doors he found them all
00:41:35
to be locked he says that the Ramses in fact had a security system but it was not engaged and that their dog stayed at
00:41:43
a friend's house that night the dog was not in the house the night in question John said he saw no signs of forced
00:41:51
entry and the Ramses say they heard nothing during that night yeah but this is where it gets kind of messed up
00:41:58
though because you have a situation where a police officer sees marks on like the kitchen
00:42:06
door or like the the outside door that would go into the kitchen and they look like fresh like like this is maybe
00:42:16
attempt to break into your house and John Ramsey kind of dismisses these like well I I don't know if those are
00:42:25
new or old because he has this habit of one for getting his keys and just breaking stuff
00:42:32
to get into his own house and not fixing it so that makes this situation even more
00:42:40
difficult yeah and I believe they find those marks the the following day now just before 6 45 a.m John Ramsey
00:42:50
calls the pilot remember they're supposed to be getting on an airplane John Ramsey leaves a message for his
00:42:56
Pilot this is Michael Archuleta who then Returns the call a few minutes later and
00:43:01
Patsy answers the phone I don't have record of what was stated I'm guessing based off of things that Michael
00:43:09
Archuleta would later say that it was simply a call to say hey something's wrong something's going on here we're
00:43:15
not making that that plane right at 6 45 a.m officer Sue barclow arrives at the Ramsey's house about this same
00:43:25
time victim Advocates arrive at the Ramsay's house they are called in as they are Advocates trained in helping
00:43:34
families through traumatic situations when they arrive apparently they arrived with bagels and coffee
00:43:42
Priscilla white about the same time calls her niece who is back at the White's house
00:43:48
we will know what that call is about in a bit at 6 50 a.m officer Weiss and officer
00:43:57
barclo were photographing and fingerprinting areas of the house officer Veach had collected The Ransom
00:44:04
note at 7 A.M Burke Ramsey is awakened and dressed there are two different accounts of how
00:44:13
this went down but they're both very similar One account states that it was John
00:44:19
Ramsey Fleet white and Mr Fernie who woke up the young boy and got him dressed and got him ready to go the
00:44:29
other story states that it was just Fleet white and John Ramsey at 7 13 a.m Reverend Raul hoverstock
00:44:38
from St John's Episcopal Church arrives at the Ramsey's home this is their Reverend this is the
00:44:46
church that they attend after the Reverend arrives nine-year-old Burke Ramsey is taken by Fleet white and John
00:44:53
furney to pick up the Fernie children presumably at the Fernie home and then taken to the White's home
00:45:02
there was some interaction action during this whole movement of Burke let's call
00:45:08
it right where police want to ask Burke if he saw anything remember right now we are investigating
00:45:17
a kidnapping of a little girl that occurred inside of a home where there was three other
00:45:23
people that night three potential Witnesses whether they saw something heard something right what the officer is told
00:45:32
from all the and I'm using air quotes here Captain General accounts that I have seen
00:45:38
states that John Ramsey instructs the officer that Burke was sleeping the entire night and he saw and heard
00:45:47
nothing basically he has nothing to offer to this investigation at an unknown time John Ramsey
00:45:55
apparently searches the basement Mr Ramsey also searched this basement area alone According to some stories
00:46:03
he testified that he found the broken window partially opened under the broken window Mr Ramsey also
00:46:11
saw the same suitcase seen earlier by Mr White Mr Ramsey testified that the suitcase belonged to his family but was
00:46:19
normally stored in a different place Mr Ramsey then returned upstairs in his 1998 testimony John Ramsey
00:46:27
provided several different times for when he searched the basement on his own he first States quote it would have been
00:46:35
that time period seven to nine and later reiterates it was probably sometime between seven and nine
00:46:42
when asked whether it was before after the whites and the fernies arrived John stated quote I think it was after
00:46:50
because they came fairly early he then reiterated quote the best I can do is it was I believe after the police came
00:46:59
because they had gone through the house before I figured out what I'm going to do it was before 10 o'clock they had
00:47:06
already done some preparation before that so it would have been before probably before nine so then somewhere
00:47:14
between seven and nine but when reminded that the ransom letter said a call would come between 8 and 10
00:47:23
a.m right John is basing these answers off of that he was misremembering that the call
00:47:30
was going to come between 10 and 12. 10 a.m and noon right as he had supposed John made clear that he had visited the
00:47:40
basement prior to that time since he States quote when we are ready for the phone call I was prepped about what
00:47:49
I was going to say and I was getting the family ready and so between that period
00:47:53
of time we were just waiting for the phone call and I was near the phone and I was either in the study or on the
00:48:01
first floor I was just waiting for it referring to the call and this is one of the biggest problems
00:48:08
with the whole damn case is the the misremembering and the eyewitness accounts from everybody it's almost like
00:48:16
you have to kind of throw most of them away because they don't line up with other people's accounts and it and but
00:48:24
also this is because you first have to go into the scene and determine whether or not it's kidnapping
00:48:30
if they would have done their due diligence there they would have found JonBenet Ramsey and The Wine Cellar once
00:48:36
they find her in The Wine Cellar now you have to lock off this scene now it's a crime and now what we need to do is try
00:48:43
to because we know it's like 12 to 1 that somebody that young if not more uh percentage is higher that somebody
00:48:54
in her family killed her so now you have to separate the three that were in the house and
00:49:00
start questioning them right away and this is not done by law enforcement yeah there look
00:49:10
and I hate to come down hard on Boulder Police Department because this is a strange situation nobody can doubt that
00:49:17
after we know what we currently know it's going to get even stranger but where I kind of fault them is Captain I
00:49:27
feel like me you and some of our garage friends could have showed up to this home and done somewhat of a better job
00:49:34
just being uneducated individuals that are just guessing as we go yeah I think the difficult thing here is that you
00:49:43
have quote unquote grieving parents and so therefore again it becomes one of those things where
00:49:51
it's a easier said than done where you have to assume that nobody's telling you the truth from the get-go
00:50:00
and and and let the evidence tell you what to believe but I think that's hard to do when you
00:50:07
have this mother uh crying and and kind of causing a scene well they're you're giving us too
00:50:14
much credit I'm not even taking it to that level of sophistication I just mean if you show up to what is deemed or
00:50:21
believed to be at the time a kidnapping that I feel like there are already missteps just for the just for that
00:50:27
kidnapping not even based off of anything else that we will figure out uh any of the events to come so
00:50:36
I do want to point out by this time and it is reported again I apologize to everybody but I can't make this stuff up
00:50:43
this is what's out there this is the information that's out there this is what we have to deal with there are
00:50:48
varying times on this statement as well but I believe that by this time I believe the earlier statement that by
00:50:54
this time in our time frame roughly we are around the 7 ish to 7 30 mark by this time they have done one
00:51:08
well two things that were very smart and that you would do in a ransom type situation by this point they have set up
00:51:18
a trap and trace on the Ramsay's home phone and they've also stopped all police radio communication regarding the
00:51:28
kidnapping this is important for several reasons we have individuals that that claim or at least
00:51:38
the note will claim that they want a ransom for the safe return of this little girl they very
00:51:46
likely could be monitoring police scanners listening into what calls are going on to see if the Ramses in fact
00:51:54
did contact the police and what the police are doing what is their movements what is their strategy at this time so
00:52:03
they canceled all police radio communications and now they are going to communicate via phone
00:52:11
which that's going to complicate matters because they're not used to doing that and not everybody has a phone on their
00:52:17
person but that's what they have to deal with now going through all of those things that
00:52:26
John Ramsey said about the timing of when he searched the home on his own search the basement on his own
00:52:34
we go through that it's a bit tedious but you have to go through it because there's going to be a lot of questions
00:52:41
about what he could have been doing during that time or when he in fact searched the home by himself we included
00:52:49
all of his words so that you know that we're not just making this up this comes from actual words this is from evidence
00:52:56
this is from his statements that he put out himself now if he's giving us a two-hour time window when he believes
00:53:03
that the ransom call was going to come in between 10 and 12. and he's saying well it happened before
00:53:09
that it must have been between seven and nine you almost wonder if you have to back that up a whole hour
00:53:16
because he's off on when the call is supposed to come in the Call's supposed to come in between 8 and 10. and he's
00:53:22
saying that he's being he remembers being prepped at some point and this would be in his recollection
00:53:29
around the time that the call was supposed to come in you have to prep the guy before the Call Comes in right all
00:53:36
right so let's simplify some of this roughly about seven o'clock they're going to wake up Burke they're going to
00:53:42
get him dressed they're going to take him to the whites at the same time roughly at the same
00:53:48
time about seven o'clock to 7 13. we have the Reverend showing up so he's going to get to the house and then at
00:53:56
some point between seven and eight probably closer to seven because John Ramsey has to be prepped for the call
00:54:03
which should be coming in from 8 to 10. he searches the home he searches the home in his own words it's just the
00:54:12
timing he gives is weird and wrong because of two things one of two things either he's not remembering the events
00:54:21
clearly or he's lying or he's lying right but either way this would put his search before the police officer search
00:54:28
and so now roughly about 7 30 and we're looking at uh 30 minutes before call possibly could come in the
00:54:38
ransom amount is assembled they collect the 118 000 dollars at 7 33 a.m a K-9 unit is put on standby
00:54:51
this is interesting Captain because they never use this canine unit they just put
00:54:56
one on standby I don't know if they were waiting for the ransom call to come in before they
00:55:01
utilize this K-9 unit or what was going to take place but you feel like if you know the child was sleeping in her bed
00:55:09
at some point that you bring in that canine unit if you're trying to figure out how that
00:55:13
kidnapper got out of the home yeah bring the dog in let him sniff around the bed and see if
00:55:19
the if this canine unit is going to lead you through the home right but that makes some sense
00:55:26
and this case has none the Boulder Police Department does not seem to be in the business of doing things that make
00:55:33
sense no at 8 A.M neighbor Scott Gibbons got up and observed a basement door to the Ramsey home was standing wide open
00:55:43
there's been some debate about this Open Door not that it he saw it and not that
00:55:49
it was open it's just by this point you've had so many people moving around through the home and checking doors and
00:55:54
going about Police business or what have you well and this anybody could have left this door open yeah this
00:56:02
is possibly that door that I was telling you in one of the reports I saw where the cops found a back door open
00:56:09
so this could be that back door that you're talking about correct so this is where I think we can back up
00:56:18
John Ramsey's statement of what time he was searching the home by himself or the
00:56:23
basement by himself because he seems to recall even though he can't figure out the time that it was before he would
00:56:30
have been prepped for the ransom call the next item on our timeline plays to that so at 8 10 a.m We have detective
00:56:38
Patterson and detective Linda arnt arrive at the Ramsay home is this uh crazy eyes yes okay Officer
00:56:48
Rick French gave them an updated briefing at this time we have Steve Thomas's notes that states that the two
00:56:55
detectives arrived at this time as well so this seems to be generally confirmed or at least believed by multiple people
00:57:02
on the scene detectives aren't monitored incoming calls to the Ramsey's residents that was
00:57:09
her first Duty afterward detective aren't instructed John Ramsey regarding the call
00:57:17
the instructions were how he should handle the call when it comes in first to keep talking or keep the caller
00:57:25
talking long enough to trace the call and maybe even more important demand to talk to JonBenet yeah but why this is
00:57:35
all going on we have the Ramsay's friends that are over to try to help them out they start cleaning the kitchen
00:57:42
yeah some of the notes state that this was the victim's Advocates that were cleaning the kitchen either way it's
00:57:49
it's a big No-No especially if it would be The Advocates that were brought in by
00:57:53
the Boulder Police Department at 8 36 a.m John Andrew and Melinda Ramsey boarded a Delta flight to Minneapolis at
00:58:01
9 27 am detective Byfield contacted Gary Merriman for a list of the employees at access
00:58:10
Graphics yeah basically by doing this they're rounding up people that they think are possible
00:58:17
suspects at 10 am no one including the Ramses mentions to detective Linda arndt that the suspected
00:58:27
kidnappers failed to call during the designated time period right Steve Thomas very astutely points out
00:58:37
a very interesting thing here that that that's very kind of difficult to put your finger on
00:58:45
and that is the letter which we are going to dive into the letter states that we will contact
00:58:53
you tomorrow between 8 A.M and 10 A.M the problem with that is we do not not know what time JonBenet was kidnapped
00:59:02
meaning if the letter was constructed and she was kidnapped before midnight then 8 A.M to 10 a.m tomorrow would be
00:59:13
just that very day on the 26th right if it was after midnight the kidnapper may have meant 8 A.M and 10 a.m on the 27th
00:59:24
right I mean this is this is this you can't make this stuff up about this case regardless what I find interesting here
00:59:33
though Captain is if I'm one of the parents of this missing girl and I've been prepped on a ransom call
00:59:41
on how to handle that call when that time expires I'm going to be panicking why didn't they call why didn't they
00:59:49
call yeah do they know they said they would call us here yeah I'm not going to put any thought into what day they were
00:59:55
supposed to call or what day they meant I'm going to go off of I'm panicked I haven't heard I'm supposed to get some
01:00:01
instruction on how to get my daughter back right or I'd use my brain and say okay they didn't call I'm a little
01:00:07
worried but does that mean that they're going to call tomorrow is you know is the note stating tomorrow you see what I
01:00:14
mean like somebody should mention something um according to Steve Thomas's notes at 10
01:00:22
30 at approximately 10 30 is exactly what he States detectives Linda arnt and Fred
01:00:28
Patterson they sealed off jonbenet's bedroom about time yeah it's about time way to go pat yourself on the back
01:00:38
at 10 30 a.m after doing this all additional police officers and the victim Advocates this is everyone law
01:00:46
enforcement sent to the home other than Linda arnt they leave the Ramsey residents
01:00:53
so that means we now have Linda art at the home one detective one member of law enforcement one single person yeah
01:01:02
with Patsy Ramsey John Ramsey the whites the fernies and the Reverend well the Ramses really liked her though
01:01:12
even though she has crazy eyes the Ramses it seemed like they felt comfortable with her
01:01:18
I just wanted to point out that we have one law enforcement member here and seven individuals seven civilians in a
01:01:27
big giant house there are things working at the police station during this time right however
01:01:34
how could the officers and the other detectives there's a sergeant amongst them all decide to leave and only leave
01:01:41
one officer there with seven people this to me seems like pure Insanity on behalf
01:01:46
of the Boulder Police Department and totally unfair to one of their own unfair to detective Linda aren't
01:01:52
yeah but she's going to tell two different stories so I don't want I don't think we need to
01:01:59
get into too much detail but it seems like initially she's like yeah they were cooperative and I was trying to help
01:02:06
them out and they were talking to me and then it seems like years later she changes her story and that that that's
01:02:13
where she has that famous interview where she's saying and I was holding my gun and counting my bullets you know
01:02:19
it's like one why are you counting your bullets and why are you afraid none of these
01:02:25
people have guns yeah I just think whole move is totally unfair to detective aren't by her fellow officers
01:02:34
to leave her there by herself that's to be fair number one to be seen with her crazy eyes it's too much for one officer
01:02:41
to handle we got seven people moving around a crime scene but they're not you right but and then on top of that
01:02:52
it still has not been designated a crime scene by law enforcement I mean they yes they blocked off haven't
01:03:01
we agreed that that's one of the problems yes big problem yeah that's a big problem here's a continued another
01:03:07
misstep by the Boulder Police Department now we're going to leave just one of our
01:03:11
officers here to yeah okay so the thought at the time is yes there was a kidnapping maybe she
01:03:18
doesn't need to be monitoring everybody inside the home but maybe that should have been in consideration one and two
01:03:27
we've cut off radio communications what if the ransom call comes in you've left 30 minutes after the call was
01:03:35
supposed to come in it just makes it makes absolutely zero absolute zero sense we have one officer
01:03:42
there she'll handle it yeah that makes no sense between 10 40 a.m and around noon
01:03:50
John Ramsey is unaccounted for what this means is that Linda aren't the only officer on the scene does not know where
01:03:59
this man is during this time frame does he goes to check his mail or something that is that was the rumor that was the
01:04:06
story that came out early in this whole big mess because who gives a [ __ ] about
01:04:13
your mail well that's what people point to people say this man did not care that
01:04:18
his daughter was missing at the time did not care that a ransom call could come in because he left the home to check the
01:04:25
mail Linda aren't kind of makes an assumption here remember she cannot account for him she accounts for him
01:04:33
around noon she says when she sees John sitting by himself and he's reading some
01:04:39
type of Correspondence some maybe a letter or something she makes the assumption that he left to go get the
01:04:45
mail we know years later that that is in fact we can't say in fact but I would guess
01:04:52
very likely untrue that he left the home to get the mail the mail slot was in the
01:04:57
in the front door yeah the mail comes into the hole you don't have to leave the home so he could have very well
01:05:04
picked up the mail or just picked something up from his desk tried to occupy his mind we don't know what we do
01:05:10
know is he is unaccounted for roughly for an hour she doesn't know where he is again that look that's not the fault of
01:05:20
the family that's the fault of law enforcement for leaving one officer behind not being able to keep an eye on
01:05:26
everybody but it's interesting because the other adults in the home are accounted for during this time now we
01:05:33
have Linda art who is left with a cell phone this is her method that she's been told she needs to use to communicate
01:05:40
with her fellow officers during this time she feels like she's losing control of of all the people there losing
01:05:48
control of the scene if you want to call it that and she sends two paper eyebrows
01:05:53
and eyes she sends two pages to officers requesting backup that she would like for them to call you know you send a
01:06:02
page they respond she was going to tell them I need some additional officers here
01:06:08
I'm outnumbered and I wonder what made her look I'm not saying that she's telling
01:06:15
one story and then saying another that's what I said before but what but that's what it kind of seems like
01:06:21
but maybe there was something that happened happened during being there by yourself that she went
01:06:28
wait a second something's not right here and that's when she started calling for
01:06:33
backup yeah twice she called well she sent a page both times they went they didn't respond to them she never had the
01:06:41
opportunity to ask for backup she's asking for backup Captain because she feels she's lost control of the scene
01:06:47
she's lost control of the all these people that are there she's supposed to babysit them she knows for a fact that
01:06:55
one of them John Ramsey is unaccounted for sir for a certain period of time yeah around one o'clock
01:07:02
Heather Cox she is at the White's home she answers the phone and she is told by Priscilla white to bring Burke Ramsey
01:07:10
back to the Ramsay home uh-huh now at around 12 30 again we have John Ramsey according to Linda arnt sitting
01:07:22
by himself she decides and again there's I apologize there's several different versions of this story
01:07:29
but she says that around just before one o'clock she wanted to give John something to do
01:07:36
so she asked John to search the house some stories say that she approached Fleet white and asked him to get John to
01:07:48
go with him to search the house I actually think these varied stories in this particular situation could be
01:07:55
extremely important based off of what people's suspicions will be because of their movements and what people will
01:08:03
come to the defense of John Ramsey in those suspicions yeah but really this case should be called
01:08:10
JonBenet Ramsey close enough good enough for jazz right I mean because every story has a combating
01:08:20
story yeah because the people telling you the story other than us they all seem to have an ax to grind
01:08:27
right they've concluded what happened they figured out what has happened and they're going to sell it and spin it to
01:08:34
you in that manner we're going to try to give you the story from all the different angles and let you decide what
01:08:41
took place yeah now I'm going to really try to sum this question up but I'm not going to let you decide
01:08:49
on her crazy eyes definitively she has crazy eyes to sum it up here captain in the shortest form
01:08:57
either aren't asked Fleet white to search the home with John or she asked John and then John took Fleet white with
01:09:07
him this is interesting because of what we will learn and we'll get into that eventually regardless of how this goes
01:09:17
down of who asked who Steve Thomas says that they were instructed to search the house from top
01:09:23
to bottom however John opted to head directly to the basement instead according to Steve Thomas's notes John
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Ramsey LED Fleet white to the basement where they first went to the train room and examined the broken window and John
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said he broke it a few months ago they searched for glass on the floor the men next searched a shower stall located in
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the basement Mr Ramsey then noticed a fireplace great propped in front of a closet and Mr White moved the grate so
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the closet could be searched upon finding nothing unusual in the closet the man proceeded to The Wine Cellar
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room 104 PM this is the time given in Steve Thomas's notes Mr Ramsey entered the room first turned on the light
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and upon discovering jonbenet's dead body he shouted something in regards to that Discovery there is another version
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out there that states Ramsey shouted actually before turning on the light this is called into question because
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remember we have Fleet white who says he went into that very same room earlier couldn't find the light and did not see
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anything JonBenet had black duct tape covering her mouth a cord around her neck that
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was attached to a wooden garat and her hands were bound over her head in front of her she was covered by a light
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colored blanket the blanket covered her torso but not her head arms or legs John
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Ramsey ripped the duct tape from jonbenet's mouth and attempted to free her hands of the bindings
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Fleet white came running up the stairs yelling called 9-1-1 call 9-1-1 he then runs to the back office located on the
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first floor grabbing a telephone but remember we have detective Linda arndt is still in the home at this point so
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using the cell phone she calls 9-1-1 and John Ramsey which is carrion JonBenet up
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the stairs he then sets her down and for some reason detective aren't is going to
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pick her back up and carry her into a different room the living room by the Christmas tree this is where John Ramsey
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kneels beside the body and repeatedly says something like my little angel over and over again
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friends had to carry Patsy Ramsey because she's too stunned to walk over to the body yeah and the next part I
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didn't believe I actually had to hear it from Patsy Ramsey's mouth herself but she actually asked God to
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raise her daughter from the dead saying you raised Lazarus from the dead raise my baby
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