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[Music] crime it's been 30 years since the murder of Raymond Tim Brook and ironically Captain here are the words
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from a pretty extensive article from the summer of 1992 about Ray's case and the
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article starts off the longer it takes the colder the trail gets the colder the trail gets the harder it becomes to find
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the killer Raymond timbrook has been dead since Friday the 13th of March 1992 someone pumped two bullets into his head
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at nearly Point Blank Range and ended his existence on Earth's physical plane Raymond timbrook is now a ghost a member
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someone knows why Tim Brook is dead the Killer is still at large he or she knows
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exactly why they killed him and how they killed him with all the Intrigue that surrounds his death the killer even
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knows if Tim Brook was killed for someone else Tim Brook doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would be involved in
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some kind of mystery but then you never know those words were true back then in 1992 and they're still True to this day
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where we left off yesterday Captain we had discussed this woman who presents herself to the family as Raymond's
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fiance at his funeral we learn a little bit about that woman we learn a little bit about reay's work continuing on our
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timeline here though another very important stop along the timeline is in May of 1992 and this is May 29th 1992
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when the Kirtland Hills Police Department publicly released a composite sketch of a man seeing talking to Tim
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Brook in The Hunting Hills subdivision the man remains unidentified but is described as in his
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40s with Sandy colored hair the shame in this case is if you want to go down some
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rabbit holes as far as the internet's concerned there's not going to be many that you find the information just
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doesn't exist anymore or if it does exist it seems to leave out certain people's names and some information uh
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but we do have a this sketch that we'll be putting out on social media Instagram
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Facebook and Twitter yeah this is a case that is difficult to do internet sleuthing on now websleuths is a very
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good source for the Raymond timbrook case and another great source over the years and especially recently has been
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WKYC news now we have a friend over there his name is Phil Trexler our connection is he also works at
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porchlight to try to help bring closure to some Ohio cold cases now Phil Trexler
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is an executive producer for WKYC investigative unit and he's also spent plenty of time in print news as
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well back in 1992 in fact he was working for the Lake County News Herald and he has covered Raymond's case
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for 30 years now first off Phil thank you for covering Ray's case for 30 years now and thank you for talking with us
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and joining us in the garage I appreciate it Nick uh glad to be on here I'm I'm glad that you're uh focusing on
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this this case uh it's one that's stuck with me for God 30 years now um it's intriguing it's uh heartbreaking um it's
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worthy of our attention so what were you up to in 1992 yeah I was a a a young reporter um
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like two or three years into the business I was a uh cops reporter for the uh Lake County News Herald which was
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based in Northeast Ohio in the city of Mentor um I just got there after a one-year stint in Mansfield with the
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news journal so uh the timber cases like one of the first that landed on my lap the first year that I was there Phil
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you've covered a lot of cases in your career not all of them will stick with you what makes the Rayman timbrook case
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stick with you well this one was unique um the fact is that you know what we had
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was a prominent somewhat prominent uh engineer um who was found dead in his car uh in
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this uh undeveloped property uh development property that was being planned in little kurtland Hills Ohio uh
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his car was still running there were burn marks on his leg which indicated that the car heater had
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been on for a long time initially police thought it was a a suicide it it for some reason it's not
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clear now as to why they thought that there was no gun that was recovered from the scene but they it was so unusual I
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think to have a a homicide in the city of Kirtland Hills that everyone assumed it must be a suicide because nobody gets
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murdered in Kirtland Hills initially yeah the cops thought it was a suicide but it became clear soon that he was I
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think shot twice in the head and that this in fact was a uh a homicide and the more that people looked into it the more
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it seemed like it was like you know almost a hit there were all kinds of of uh rumors floating around the city then
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um it's because of the fact that here we have this mild mannered you know engineer what you know who would want to
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who would want to kill him you know so all things started to come about was it business related was it uh personal
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related there's a love triangle angle so all sorts of rumors floating around um and it was just very you know it was a
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new case the name that has always been tied to the the ray timbrook case is George smaran and this is the individual
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his coworker that he is said to have met with or was planning on meeting at Hunting Hills where he's later found
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dead in his car the other angle to the George theory in this case is the love triangle angle and it's always been said
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that Ray who was involved with Lynn egenberger that Lynn was at one time involved with George smarin as well In
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fairness to George he's never been charged with the crime let alone convicted um he was a person of interest
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clearly um and I think continues to be he instead of cooperating with police he um hired an attorney which is his
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right um and he did not cooperate with the investigation nor did the other coworker Lenn egenberger who um is an
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intriguing figure who we can talk about a little later about uh her appearance at the funeral and how that shocked
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everybody um but yeah that that was that was the alleged love triangle George smaran Lyn egenberger and Ray timbrook
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um all three you CT consulant employees so what is your take on CT consultings and do you believe that Ray and George
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were a team when it comes to this new development it's perhaps maybe a team but certainly
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this was not like their biggest thing this is a huge National engineering firm they their their fingerprints are
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everywhere um and especially in Lake County they were very uh prominent especially in some road construction
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projects uh that they engineered they just a very influential powerful um Corporation and what is your
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take on this possible murder weapon yeah I think they believe it was one gun uh large caliber they never came
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out with a specific uh caliber on it I believe that my recollection is is that the projectile it was so damaged that
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they couldn't be positive about you know what it was when it was a 357 or 9 millimeter um but yeah I mean they had
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very little evidence to go on in inside that car you know they had a they had a dead businessman um and very little to
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go on with no real witnesses to the shooting Phil tell us about this now Infamous incident at Ray's
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funeral yeah that you know I I was at the funeral actually um yeah uh and uh it was God it was a just a very
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emotional uh scene very crowded lots of people um I remember the the Eric Clapton song
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um that he that he wrote for his son Tears in Heaven yeah and uh gosh I'm starting to tear up myself right
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now and uh so that song was playing I remember that at some point and uh I didn't see
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this take place but I've talked to Tim Brook's family afterward I missed this part that happened but a coworker showed
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up at the uh funeral linburger and she made a she made a grand announcement to the family and
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introduced yourself as as raised fiance and uh that struck uh everybody that was just a shocking Revelation to
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the family no one knew of her let alone the fact that they were now engaged to be married um she was acting per you
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know uh as a you would expect she's mourning yeah she was clearly in love with Ray and she was
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mourning she was crying and she was very emotional um they watched as she walked over to
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the uh to the casket and um you know lovingly gave her a fairwell and she quietly dropped a a letter into the
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casket and and walked away and uh the family was uncomfortable with her uh appearance
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there and everybody kind of like wanted her to go except for uh except for one one his one guy and that was uh Tim
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Brook's son uh he tells an interesting story about uh how he talked to to Lynn and was interested in what she had to
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say and in fact invited her to the uh family's home for the Post funeral meal um and when she arrived there Brian
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the son was told on no uncertain terms that uh she needs to leave she's not welcome here she needs to go which is
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actually an unfortunate event because who knows what she may have said said well now she becomes an outsider yeah
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absolutely absolutely and it kind of set you know it sets the tone for the whole
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investigation is she's an outsider now and that and she's not welcomed by the family so if she ever had anything of
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value uh she did not feel comfortable in releasing it um yeah and like George smaran she lawyered up and you know it's
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her right to do that were you ever able to speak with Lynn uh I tried to I went to her house
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uh she lived on Menor Avenue at the time and yeah knocked on her door and uh you
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know left my card and yeah she was she was someone even her lawyer wouldn't talk you know it was just you know it
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was it was shut down and shut up time and uh she has maintained that but I mean clearly she was the target of the
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of the police investigation uh they were really really hooked on this love triangle aspect and uh so much so in
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fact that perhaps um they didn't to see the forest for the trees and that there was you know something else there that
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they were missing how much was George and Lynn looked into and I read that they may
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have Loosely involved the FBI in this investigation yeah they involved the FBI and I too I wanted to talk about some of
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the the techniques I think that they that they used that were pretty unusual too and maybe they got these ideas from
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the FBI I don't know um but there was word that they had uh retained the services of a
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female uh agent or or confidential informant to endear herself to George smaran um yeah to like a you know spot
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him at a bar and go up and talk to him kind of like uh you see in the Americans uh TV show with spies and whatnot so
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they tried that um they it went so far as to put a tape recorder inside of a fishing tackle box and place it on the
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gravestone of Mr timbrook with the with the hope that Lynn would come their emotional and
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spill her guts uh and they would could capture that in a recording so they were trying I mean that's goes to the extent
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of the unique uh tactics that they were trying to to employ here to get some sort of break you know and they held a
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grand jury hearings too you know and they brought in Lynn and George and you know and they took the fifth and
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you know nothing's ever happened Phil you referenced the 1992 and then the 1994 Grand Jury proceedings where they
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bring in Lynn they bring in George and a bunch of other people as well trying to
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get them to talk and get clarification as to what happened and what these individuals may know now in the papers
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after the 94 proceedings we have we have Steven lorant the prosecutor who is on record stating time and time again that
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we are one piece of information away from solving this case that an arrest is Within Reach we just need one more piece
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of the puzzle now he says that we have followed up on leads over the course of two years and every single time that
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information is leading them back to a small group of people which he says again on the record is either two or
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three people a small group of people that have information in this case that they are keeping to themselves
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information that could break this case wide open and when we have the prosecutor saying that we have two or
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three people a small group of people you have to wonder inside of that two or three people does that include Lynn Does
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it include George it doesn't have to but if it does then who is the third person
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did they look into the developers Jerry and Mike Osborne and Jim Brown who according to the
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prosecutor says that CT Consultants had an engineering contract with these developers specifically with this
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Hunting Hills area yeah they did look at you know the Osborne I mean they're just
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as well known as CT Consultants out there in Lake County I mean they're a large wealthy family um you know the
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third person could also be like a higher up who gave the the okay for for this to
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happen if you believe the theory of uh of you know political corruption that's going on um I it's hard to say like is
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George are George and Lynn intimately involved in the in the shooting or or do they know perhaps the real reason why
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this shooting happened maybe it wasn't a love trangle in fact maybe it was this you know the fact that GE or that uh Tim
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Brook wanted to reveal some sort of uh nefarious conduct that's taking place um it's hard to say and but you can't
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underestimate the the the knowledge that George and Lynn must have you know and and it's you know it's troubling but
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they they are the key Witnesses um where we left off in our timeline the police had released to the public the composite
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sketch of the suspect driving away from the scene or a man seen in the area possibly even speaking with Raymond Tim
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Brook the burning question on everyone's mind here Phil is in your opinion does this composite sketch look like George
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smaran no no that's what struggled because George didn't really look like the guy
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so that led to the Hitman Theory you know that uh well George lured him there but then instead of George being there
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turning with you Captain cheers to everyone out there thank you for joining us this week in the garage in December
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of 1992 the prosecutor in this case announced that there was a $225,000 reward for information in the
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case and the reward money was put up by Tim Brook's own family as well as the company that he worked for CT
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Consultants later that same month is when we have the first attempt by prosecutor Steven Lort who takes this
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case to the grand jury you heard Phil talking about that briefly earlier they're trying to squeeze information
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out of everyone involved specifically George and Lynn unfortunately that does not lead to charging a suspect in this
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case then on the 28th of December 1992 Tim Brook's fiance Lynn gensburger a former co-worker at CT Consultants is
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called to testify before the Lake County grand jury a little more detail into what we were just speaking to police and
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prosecutors refuse to say what if anything they gain from her testimony and we learn then that since
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then ens sperger has left the company CT Consultants that brings us now Captain to March 14th
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1993 in our timeline this is a year after the killing police maintain that they are only a few crucial pieces of
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evidence away from solving the slang they set up an office inside of CT consultant several months ago to try to
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glean information about Tim Brook's business life here is where we start to see in my opinion Captain the first
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portion of the shift from possibly the love triangle angle in this case to possibly his murder is more business
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related and that's where the lines get very skewed very quickly and there's a whole lot of gray area there right
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because it seems like Kirtland Hills PD thought that this might be easily solved
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in the early get-go that there's a love triangle situation here and we have a jealous former love lover or a current
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lover that attacks and kills the other man in the picture the problem here though is it's also incredibly very
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likely that while it's generally considered to be somewhat public knowledge or at least knowledge around
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the office that George and Lynn did in fact have some type of relationship it's also entirely possible
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that that relationship was over with over said and done and there was no ill will
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no jealousy involved once that relationship was over right and once we have Rey who is now removed from his
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marriage he is pursuing his relationship with Lynn taking it to the next level maybe George didn't care about that
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maybe this love triangle thing seems a little too obvious and the reason why that it gets all mixed up and mashed
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together with everything else he's co-workers with both of these individuals so his murder could just as
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much be about business as it is his personal life and and given what I've seen about this guy I actually lean to
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toward the idea that this is much more business related much more CT Consultants related than it is with his
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relationship with Lyn and his coworker George we know that Raymond was so supposed to meet George we're assuming
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at some point George met Raymond out there but we have this eyewitness that is basically identifying
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another individual and that's where I think it gets pretty cloudy well and and to take that a little bit further and
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make it even more cloudy here Captain we should not assume that George met with Raymond out there that day right and the
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the reason being is that we have heard a couple different versions of that story
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one being that that George says yes I was supposed to meet him but never went and that he had an alibi or others
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saying that he never went to that location on that day right there are others that are saying that but it's
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also totally possible that people got mixed up on who he was supposed to meet out there or did Raymond did Raymond
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just happen to use George's name because he didn't want to tell other people who
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he was meeting out there that brings up yes whole other long list of questions the thing too that we want to keep in
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mind as well is that as much as it may appear that George may have asked him had in fact asked him to meet him out
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there that day there's also the chance that someone else said hey you should go or you need to go meet George at this
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location at this time what we don't have the information that we don't have is who told him to meet George there that
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day was it George or was it someone else right because the information we do have
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is the secretary saying Raymond Tim Brook told me he was meeting George at that location that afternoon yeah very
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fascinating and then as we said earlier Captain this thing went before the grand
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jury twice and unfortunately again in 1994 when they brought it again for the second time to the grand jury same
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situation we don't have any information that comes out of that we don't have the
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prosecutor that tells us anything what did they learn during the second proceedings and was it any different
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than the first we're not told we're not privy to that information what we do know that happens is there are still no
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charges brought against anyone after the 94 Grand Jury proceedings W and what's scary about this case and you know
00:28:49
reviewing it compared to other cases law enforcement is telling the public hey we're one piece away and we've been
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hearing that for the Last 5 Years in the deli case and obviously this Raymond timbrook case is 30 years
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cold Brian timbrook was Raymond Tim Brook's oldest son and he was set to graduate the year that his father was
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killed Brian for you all these years later what does this case mean to you and the state of the case mean to you I
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watched all these Date Line uh Cold Case Files stuff like that and to have cases you know
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solved after 5 10 15 20 a matter of fact I just saw one that was solved after 35
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years um but to to have I guess you could say to have two people people that were co-workers of my
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father Lyn gensburger and George smaran to lawyer up right off the rip were the only
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two and still to this day have not been held accountable um or been truthful because
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Lynn was subpoenaed by the grand jury twice and was uh LED was untruthful but there wasn't enough
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evidence to to go proceed any F farther what is uh your recollection of the crime scene or the condition that
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you're your father's car was in at the time was it it was it in pristine condition or was uh they broken glass
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there was no broken glass no windows down car was running um obviously the W all the windows had to be in there if he
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got burns on his legs because um they couldn't do any fingerprinting on the hood because obviously they were in the
00:31:07
hood or not the hood the trunk they couldn't do it they had smeared Prints but because of the salt and the the it
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was March 13th you know how it was snowing so you got the salt dust and all that stuff on there so they could not
00:31:21
get and I don't think DNA was that big of a a thing I don't think Chief Smith was that good of a a police chief
00:31:33
to to handle this because you watch some of these file I mean they go too they go
00:31:42
like a needle and a hay stack I mean they'll they'll get down on hands and knees and microscopes and and and
00:31:48
magnifying glasses and pull hairs and and you know so it's it's just ba it just really baffling
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it's because you know they had they had the vehicle there um and with the weather being the
00:32:07
way it is I'm sure that that guy was outside his door my dad was talking they were talking outside behind did was
00:32:15
something in the trunk maybe Prince or something like that and then he went to go into his the car the guy followed him
00:32:23
behind and that's where where it happened and then for no gun to be found um no shell
00:32:35
casing the answers that you are seeking about your father's murder do they lie with one
00:32:43
person or as the prosecutor was saying back in the early 90s that we believe we have a small group of people I'm I I
00:32:51
think more there's more than one more than one more than two I think there's many people that
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know what truly happened um you know like I said George smaran was the the coworker that he was supposedly going to
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meet at The Hunting Hill subdivision and he was the one of them that lawyered up and then an odd coincidence Lynn
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eburg who announced herself as my dad's fiance to the family well basically to the
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world at the funeral for my father her and George had a relationship prior and she lawyered up right off the
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rip and was found untruthful twice by the grand jury but with the double jeopardy you can't you can't if you
00:33:49
don't have enough evidence you you're not going to waste your time on it and you know Chief Smith my my uncle hired
00:33:58
private investigators and xfp and chief Smith wouldn't have anything to do with that because he
00:34:05
wanted to solve the case himself shortly after my dad's murder Kirtland Hills gets an upgrade and an addition on their
00:34:14
police department but Brian who are people to you that are of interest to you in direct regard to your father's
00:34:21
case maybe people that haven't been named so much in the papers there's so many people that could be involved I mean my
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dad was working on Lost Nation Road uh widening project you got Osborne you got CT you
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know they Osborne got in trouble because they were burying the old lines and sewer systems
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when they needed to come all the way out there was a uh the chaplain Troy Elum uh
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would do my dad's benefit dinners he would do the invocation um before we would eat and he was a Lake County
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Sheriff um he we had we were members up at the Elks and he came back here after some
00:35:09
cocktails and we were sitting here talking about my dad's case and um you know he had said that I'm not gonna
00:35:18
let I'm not gonna give my side what I know unless I'm subpoenaed but I will tell you this that
00:35:26
Chiefs smth Lett and Dan Dunlap will run between the tail with their tails between their legs well lett's no longer
00:35:33
with us right we got Charles Coulson now and I have never once from day one have never got a
00:35:50
call from them never got a call from any of my dad's co-workers that I knew ever to this day I've reached out
00:36:03
because a couple people said that and this uh Steve Hayes brought up this and said Osborne's
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right-hand man knows who did it so I reached out to the afbi left a message never got a response from them
00:36:26
another friend said that supposedly I heard that they found the gun in Youngstown that killed your father I
00:36:32
called the FBI nobody called me back I mean it's just like hey we don't want to we don't want
00:36:42
to do anything about this we just there's no point and it's it's not right it's it's not right how often do
00:36:53
you look at the suspect composite sketch every year every year around this time does it look like anybody you
00:37:03
know I I've always said and other people have said that it kind of vaguely resembled
00:37:12
George but you know how you know back then it's nothing like it is now with the with you know how our forensics are
00:37:23
the science is so many people knew my dad and if if that face or you drive drove down Menor Avenue and saw the
00:37:33
billboard that said Justice for Raymond confess repent or just go to hell it's it's sad because there's so many
00:37:44
people out there that that could have just a snidbit of something that could become something and help
00:37:55
something help help us that's all that are my the rest of what is left of my family's asking
00:38:04
for sometime after Ray Tim Brook's murder his family created the Rays of Hope Foundation and Raymond Tim Brook's
00:38:12
memory the foundation has been spearheaded by Tim Brook's sister Susan timbrook freeze it assists the families
00:38:19
of violence victims and has helped pay for funeral cost and even bought a canine Officer for the late County
00:38:26
Sheriff's Office later there was a billboard that was put up to remind the community about the murder and remind
00:38:33
the murderer about the murder as well seeking information in the case and the billboard read Justice for Raymond
00:38:41
murdered 33392 Raymond timbrook son brother father friend to the murderer scripture
00:38:50
gives you definite Direction and few options confess and repent or just go to hell and while the foundation raise of
00:39:00
Hope offered hope to the victims of other violent crimes the billboard was unable to lead to the arrest of a
00:39:08
suspect in Raymond's case sadly Raymond and Scott's mother Dorene passed away before both of them would turn 30 years
00:39:17
old and Raymond Tim Brook's Father Robert who served this great country in World War II sadly passed away the age
00:39:25
of 84 in 2001 and never got to see his son's murder case solved Phil after covering this case for over three
00:39:34
decades and with the anniversary coming up and and you looking back over that work um what what conclusion have you
00:39:45
come to I honestly I've come around um to the fact that I don't believe that it has anything to do with Lynn or George
00:39:53
and the love the alleged love triangle I I I I think that was a diversion um that cost law enforcement
00:40:01
valuable time uh I am of the belief and so are several people very intimate with
00:40:07
the case uh I am of the belief that this was business related that Ry had come across some information um about some
00:40:19
corruption involving his company and local government uh like bribes and and work projects that uh you know had to be
00:40:30
redone I'm talking about the Lost Nation Road Project there in uh in Willoughby um a massive multi-million dollar uh
00:40:39
reconstruction project by the airport there that was done and then redone and uh there is that's the one angle and
00:40:47
talking to my law enforcement sources who have talked to people uh in power they don't believe
00:40:55
that they want this case solved they don't want to open um that box and because it will hurt a lot of people if
00:41:05
the truth was ever told um and these are you know these are not conspiracy type cops these are seasoned detectives who
00:41:13
worked the case in later years and came away with that conclusion and um higher ups just don't want to go down that road
00:41:22
um it sounds you know uh like a conspiracy Theory but you know I it just it does make more sense I
00:41:31
think than than some you know love triangle among three co-workers who are all single and you know I I don't see a
00:41:38
motive there like there someone's going to kill somebody over you know a woman in that kind of fashion you know that's
00:41:45
more of a calculated type hit you know whereas love usually involves like crimes of passion and sudden
00:41:53
rages um this was clear clearly orchestrated planned hit and you have to ask yourself why and
00:42:04
is he getting murdered over Lynn or is he getting murdered over something that he had promised to go to police about
00:42:11
and some corruption that could uh put Rich wealthy people or politicians in prison that to me makes more
00:42:21
sense but there in lies the trouble and the problem with this case it's not so cut and dried now is it Phil it's not a
00:42:30
situation where you can just fall on one side of the fence or the other that it's
00:42:34
either directly related to George and Lynn or it's directly related to business because George and Lynn are all
00:42:42
wrapped up in CT consultants and all wrapped up in Raymond Tim Brook's business and therefore that makes it
00:42:49
quite confusing because it could be one or the other or it could be both now I agree with you Phil and the way that
00:42:57
you've kind of molded and adapted your thoughts and theories on the case over the years and I certainly think that
00:43:05
this is much more business related and that it was a hit and it had to do with shutting him up he had information he
00:43:14
was the man that Knew Too Much and that scared some people and probably could have cost people lots and lots of money
00:43:20
or their jobs and somebody wanted to shut Raymond timbrook up and they did and unfortunately we sit here 30 years
00:43:28
later still wondering who was the trigger man and who is responsible if in fact somebody was
00:43:36
hired to kill him now my other problems that I have with this case my other big problem I have with this case lies with
00:43:45
CT consultants and Raymond Tim Brooks co-workers people that chose to be quiet people that probably had information
00:43:54
people that could in some way help the investigation but chose not to and this includes Frank
00:44:01
Fredrico and his posturing during the course of the early stages of this investigation I've reached out to Frank
00:44:11
he doesn't want to reply he doesn't want to make a statement on this case the other big problem I have is with Lynn
00:44:17
egenberger this is a man that was murdered a man that you claimed to have loved loved enough that you were engaged
00:44:25
to be married to him and when the worst happened to him and his family his children you don't step up with answers
00:44:33
you don't you don't cooperate in the investigation it's not too late it's never too late to come forward with
00:44:43
information and the family is the one that's hurting the most you don't have to talk to law enforcement you can speak
00:44:51
with Raymond's family and offer them answers Brian after 30 years of your father's case being unsolved do you have
00:45:00
any hope for this case I will always have hope because if it ain't found if the person ain't found guilty
00:45:16
in the court of law God's going to have his way and I slowly every day lose a little bit
00:45:29
of Hope but I'll never completely lose it ever tomorrow being the anniversary is just going to be a a real tough day
00:45:45
Brian what keeps you going I want answers my wife my family my friends my work work I've I paid the
00:46:04
price in a lot of bad ways for this but I can't use it as an excuse It's time for me be to be able to
00:46:17
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