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This is True Crime Garage. [music] And this is the case of Lauren Spear. [music]
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[music] This beautiful college student vanished without a trace after a night of
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partying 5 years ago. Her parents have repeatedly appealed for resolution. >> Where are you, my sweet girl? I'm I'm
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just missing you so desperately. The mystery of what happened to 20-year-old Lauren Spear has never been solved. But
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now, former FBI agent Brad Garrett and ABC's Brian Ross say they think they know what may have happened.
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>> Lauren was part of a wild party scene and that in some way or another, drugs and students using drugs led to her
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demise. >> The Indiana University student was seen on surveillance video the night of her
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disappearance in June 2011. She partied at this sports bar and met up with several male friends, but they have
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lawyered up and aren't talking about Lauren's fate. >> Why are they trying to keep quiet? What
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are they hiding? >> One theory is that Lauren was kidnapped by a biker gang after collapsing in the
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street on the way to her apartment. >> Did you shoot her? >> I didn't shoot her.
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>> You didn't shoot her. What did you do with her? I don't even know the broad. I
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told you that. By >> Garrett says he does not believe she was kidnapped. He says he was given
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information from a source that Lauren's college friends hold the key to the mystery.
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>> He had heard that she was at a party, had a bad reaction to ecstasy, died. They panicked and moved her to the Ohio
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River. They're 18, 19, 20 years old. The last thing they want is the Bloomington
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police to come in, find drugs in a dead co-ed. And so we believe somebody panicked and got rid of her.
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Warren was only 4 feet 11 and weighed 90 pounds and would have been easy prey in
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an intoxicated state. Just a few months ago, the FBI dug up farmland in Indiana,
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but didn't find Lauren's body. Lauren's parents have given up hope that their daughter is still alive. But they still
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want closure. >> What they want now is to find her body and to figure out what happened that
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night. [music] >> [music] >> Tonight's case takes us to the great state of Indiana to Bloomington at the
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campus of Indiana University. >> When I think of Indiana, I think of state native John Melanchamp.
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Well, when I think of Indiana University or IU, of course, I think of Bob Knight,
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a school with a great basketball program and tradition. I'm sure they have many great academic programs there as well,
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but on a national level, that's certainly what Indiana is more known for. >> I do think of party school though as
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well. Um, >> yeah, I've partied there. >> It Oh, you have? I have not. But I've I've read, you know, they they put out
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those list every year of the top 10 or 20 party schools, and I always see Indiana hovering around the top of that
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list. >> I used to do some gigs with this group called Ordinary People's. It was like a
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live hip-hop band, and we'd play I think it was called uh the Bluebird >> in Bloomington. And I think we also
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played Kilroy, >> which will come up in this story later. >> So, tonight we have a missing person's
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case. And as far as the state of Indiana goes, a pretty famous case at that. We are talking about the disappearance of
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20-year-old Indiana University College student Lauren Spear. >> Mhm. >> Lauren went out for what I would call a
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hardcore night of getting smashed. Uh, sorry. Am I crazy to say that though, Captain?
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>> Is that what you call it? >> That's that's the only thing I can phrase this at. I mean, there there is
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having a good time and living it up, but then there is also taking it to another
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level as well, >> right? That's what I call hanging out with Nick. [laughter] >> But but Lauren does go out with friends
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stopping off at place to place. But there somewhere along the way of bar hopping and campus hy jinks, Lauren is
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lost. And almost 6 years later, we are still looking for her. We are left with a lot of questions about that night that
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she disappeared and I think questions about her lifestyle and some questions about her friends as well. Lauren was
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only 20 years old, but in any missing person case, I think it's really important to kind of know their history
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and know their background. >> So, Lauren was born in 1991. Her parents are Robert and Charlene Spear.
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>> She grew up in New York State, and in 2009, she enrolled at Indiana University.
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When her parents, Rob and Charlene, dropped Lauren off her freshman year, they felt that the university campus was
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a safe place. >> But Bloomington, like many college towns, does have its darker side. This,
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of course, coming with the the partying that goes on. >> Well, it's a part of the Big 10
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>> conference, which Ohio State is part of. >> Uh it's very it's a very clean campus.
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>> It's a division one school, so they're they're going to get a lot more funding
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as far as sports go. And that darker side usually comes with the alcohol and the drugs that are involved in campus
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parties. Now I don't mean to pick on the state pick on Indiana University. >> This happens at every
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>> this happens at almost every college and I from my experience this is very typical of the Midwestern uh bigger
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universities. >> The other question that's going to come up is Lauren was only 20 years old. So
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how common is it for a 20-year-old to drink in a college bar? >> I think it's pretty common. Yeah, my
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with my experience, I would say it's very common. Did you have a college campus bar that you like to drink at?
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>> Uh, well, I'm not a big not a big campus bar person, but uh, you know, I did go
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to the Ohio State games, the football games for like 11 years straight. Now, if we had a big victory, I would
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typically walk across the street and go to the varsity club uh, and kind of celebrate the win there with with
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>> Yeah. But at that point, you were of age, right? Yes, I was definitely of age, but there were probably some people
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partying on campus that were not of age. >> Well, yeah, a bunch of my buddies when
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we're about 19 and 20, we'd be we'd hang out at Panini South. >> Okay. >> So, big ups to anybody that drank at
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Panini South. >> You just got Panini's in big trouble. >> Well, no, it's closed now. Probably
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probably because >> probably why. Now, the night that we are talking about is Thursday, June 2nd,
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2011. This is Lauren's sophomore year. At this time, she is dating, well, still dating her high school boyfriend Jesse
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Wolf, who is attending Indiana University as well. >> Yeah. So, it seems like one of those
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high school relationships where they decided to go to the same big university. >> Yep. Now, Lauren and Jesse hung out a
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lot, but not on this night. Lauren had her heart set on going out. She wanted to party it up, get out and campus hop
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with some of her friends. >> Jesse would not be joining her. He was going to stay in that night. it was the
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NBA finals and he didn't want to miss it. That's a little funny to me. Not because, you know, staying in is is
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strange or anything like that, but it's funny to me because I remember staying in and watching that same game as well.
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Cuz you you remember, Captain, earlier that year, the great King James decided he was taking his talents to South
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Beach. So, for two weeks in June of 2011, I was a huge Dallas Mavericks fan. And I sat there and watched that night.
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That was a close game uh throughout the whole thing, but the Mavs went on to beat the Heat that night 95 to 93 to tie
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at the series at one game each. Now, let's go through the timeline of that night.
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>> Mhm. >> Cuz this case has some it has some hints of maybe a little Brian Schaefer to me.
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Does Does it remind you of that case at all? >> Yeah, I mean, I think any college camp,
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you know, any college kid going missing on college campus kind of, you know, reeks of that. Yeah, it it always takes
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us back there. So, very late on Thursday, June 2nd, Lauren is hanging out with her friend David Ron. Now,
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David is a student as well. They are drinking and partying at her place. >> Then, just after midnight, they decide,
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so this is June 3rd now at this point, technically. So, around 12:30 a.m., Lauren and David leave Smallwood Plaza.
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This is an off-campus high-rise where Lauren lives. The two the two of them go down the street to the apartment of
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another student named Jay Rosenbomb. >> Lauren then meets up with another student, Cory Rossman. Cory lives in the
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same building as Jay. Cory and Lauren then decide that they want to step out for a bit and they go to Kilroy Sports
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Bar. This is the place that you'd mentioned earlier. This is a very popular college bar. Surveillance
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footage tells us that Lauren Spirior arrived entering Kilroy at 1:46 a.m. Right now, some of our older listeners
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are going to be thinking, they arrived at a bar at 1:46, >> right? >> This seems ludicrous. Well, first of
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all, Indiana bars, they close at 3. >> Okay, >> here uh at Ohio State or just in Ohio,
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most of the time 2:00, but by 2:30 the bar is cleared. uh Indiana, they close at 3. By probably 3:30, it's cleared.
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But the other thing is that there there was a big trend um that I kind of missed
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out on because I'm a little bit older. But >> you're 25, your name's Mcloven, >> but it seems like, you know, cuz I
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played in bars playing in the cover band. Normally, you would start early, you know, about 10 o'clock and then
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you're going to play till two. But then all of a sudden this like shift happened
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where people would do a lot more pregaming. >> And so the bars wouldn't really start
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filling up till like midnight. >> Yeah. After midnight. >> Yeah. >> So it was kind of like, you know, this
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Jersey Shore thing. You know, t-shirt times, Cavs are here. And then, you know, the bars would fill up, you know,
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you wouldn't be leaving to go to the bar till midnight. Yeah. >> So this is not that uncommon. Well, in
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Columbus though, at 146 at a lot of bars, you're you would be lucky to even get served a drink. Usually by that
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time, the bartenders are just yelling at people to leave [laughter] and you know
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how they just go and start collecting drinks and you're like, "Oh, my beer is still full."
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>> That's when you just chug it. >> So, they they arrive at 1:46 a.m. And I guess they have like a u try to go for
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kind of a beach atmosphere on the patio area. Mhm. Uh, so they go out to this patio area and Lauren takes off her
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shoes and they they are not there terribly long though. According to the surveillance footage, Lauren is seen
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exiting the bar with Cory Rossman and they they walk to Lauren's apartment complex. Can I bring up something? And
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maybe I'm way off base here, but you know, Lauren is a girl that has a boyfriend, and I know that they're not
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hanging out that day, but she is also hanging out with three boys, >> right? >> I I find that a little odd. Um, I mean
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it's not like I'm not saying that you can't be f friends with girl, you know, boys can't be friends with girls and
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stuff like that, but it's just like if I would have told my girlfriend and in college, hey, I'm going to go hang out
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with these three girls. Not happening. >> I I guess I'm looking at it from Jesse's
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standpoint, from the boy boyfriend standpoint. I don't find it incredibly odd. I wouldn't think that you I don't
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think you're in the minority, though. I think that most people might find this a
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little strange. I don't I think it's kind of a campus atmosphere. It's a lot of a lot of people hanging out uh
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constantly, you know. >> Yeah. But you'd think like it would make a little more sense to me if she was
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like, I'm going out for a girls night drinking or something. You're you're staying at home watching the game. I'm
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going to go out with my girlfriends. But she ends up going out with, you know, three guys.
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>> Mhm. Well, when they leave the bar, they head to her apartment complex. This is
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just about a block or so from the bar. Now, Lauren does leave her shoes and her phone at Kilroyy's Bar. Lauren is seen
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entering the Smallwood Plaza at 2:30 a.m. and then exiting at 2:42 a.m. Lauren's apartment is on the fifth floor
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of this apartment complex. For whatever reason, Lauren and Corey do not go to her apartment. It may have been due to
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an altercation. >> Mhm. So, the two, Lauren and Corey, they do actually go to the fifth floor. At
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some point, a passer by, this is Zach Oaks, he sees how blitzed Lauren is, and he asks if she's okay.
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>> Right. >> It's unclear to me that either the altercation with Zach takes place just
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before or after the two could arrive at Lauren's apartment. But at some point, they run into four male students. And
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I'm I'm not clear if Zach was one of these four male students, but this is in the hallway of her apartment complex,
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right? >> And apparently the four male students, well, they didn't seem to like what was
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going on or what they may think is going on. And they start saying things and Corey gets smart with them and one of
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the four punches Corey in the face, knocking Corey to the ground. >> All right, I just want to be clear on
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this. So, we got Corey Rossman and we have Lauren. And they're on the fifth floor of Lauren apartment building.
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>> Yes. >> And they walk past four guys. >> Yes. >> Now, now they might be walking by him in
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the hallway or these four guys might live on the fifth floor. We're not really for sure, but they don't like
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what they see >> apparently. >> And we see this way too many times on college campuses where you have a guy
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with a very drunk female. Mhm. >> And bad things can happen. >> So, I applaud them for looking after
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her, but this causes a tussle. >> Yeah. But who knows? They they could have just been looking for trouble as
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well. True. We never We don't really know. >> That's very true. >> But it does cause it does cause an
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interaction between Corey and all, you know, some of these four guys >> and they punch him.
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>> Yeah. He he he I guess they're saying something to him and he mouths off to them
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>> and one of them punches Corey in the face. >> Right. But who are we getting the story
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from? >> Uh that's what's tricky here to me. Um because we here here's the situation,
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right? Um, Corey is he's pretty inebriated at this point >> and maybe he's hit awfully hard or maybe
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it's a combination of both. But Corey reports that he is injured in an altercation at the apartment complex but
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but does not remember anything of the event which which seems very strange to me. Okay.
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>> Right. But he possibly could have been knocked out. >> Right. Right. you know,
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>> a com I think it's a combination of being drunk and being smashed in the face by by some dude.
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>> Okay. From there, after the altercation, they leave the apartment complex. Remember, we said this is at 2:42 a.m.,
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>> right? And this is Lauren's complex, >> correct? Just a few minutes later, at
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2:48 a.m., Lauren and Corey are seen walking in an alley. This alley runs between College Avenue and Morton
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Street. Mhm. >> There are security cameras mounted on nearby apartments. So, we have this
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footage. This footage shows the two exiting this alley at 2:51 a.m. and they are walking toward an empty lot. Mind
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you, the cameras also show Lauren stumbling quite a bit at this time. So, later on this very route that the two
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are taking. Later, they would end up finding Lauren's keys and her purse along this route.
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>> Mhm. Police did not say exactly where along this route that these items were found, but Lauren, she's she's falling
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down drunk by this time and she has fallen several times. >> Right. And we have some evidence because
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of the surveillance footage, but one can also assume that maybe there was a struggle.
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>> Mhm. >> You know what I mean? This guy has already got in a fight with uh some
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other individuals. >> Mhm. And well, eventually Cory ends up picking her up and he carries her. So
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now the two arrive at Corey's apartment. There is someone else there. This is uh
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Michael Beth. Michael is Corey's roommate. Michael's there up late working on a paper,
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right? Sure, Michael. You're that's what everyone's doing at that hour. You're you're up writing a paper. That sounds
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good for when mom and dad read the newspaper article later that they you know they're not paying they don't quit
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paying for his campus living. >> It is possible though. >> It is possible. Anyway, so Corey is
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pretty intoxicating. >> I mean, and just on that note, I I would hang out with buddies up on Ohio State
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campus all the time and we'd be drinking and there'd always be one of us that wasn't really drinking. I mean, maybe
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having a couple beers with the buddies, but he was also working on a paper or working on some homework or studying,
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>> pulling some last minute hardcore work there at the the wee hours of the morning,
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>> right? You know, you're sitting there trying to coast him into not doing the work, you know, going, "Hey, man, just
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have one more. Have one more. Just one more, [ __ ] >> Just put that down. >> Just one more. Have a cold one."
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>> Anyway, Cory is pretty intoxicated at this point. He is stumbling when he arrives at his apartment.
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>> Well, yeah, he's stumbling, but let's just note that he if if the story is correct, and we don't have any
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surveillance footage of him carrying Lauren, >> right? >> So, that is just coming from the
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testimony of Corey. Mhm. >> So, he's stumbling, which is noted by the roommate, but he also was sober
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enough to carry her back. >> Correct. Correct. Uh he arrives at the apartment, he's stumbling, uh pretty
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intoxicated at this point, and then he pulls an awesome move and he vomits on the carpet.
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>> You know, way to [clears throat] go, Cory. Party foul. >> Uh these [laughter]
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Well, these two are basically out of control, wasted at this point, Captain. This seems like a pretty lame twoperson
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party to me. Uh I've seen I you know I've seen somewhere between like four and seven party fouls committed by these
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two at this point along this night. >> Well, I mean let's Okay. Am I is this wrong to say that I would assume that
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Cory's motives are sexual as far as like you know you just got punched in the face by some guys?
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>> Mhm. And you now you claim that you you blacked out and you can't remember anything,
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>> right? >> But you carry this girl back to your apartment. >> Yeah. >> And then you get sick. And I would
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assume that if he doesn't get sick that he's trying to make sexual advances towards Lauren.
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>> Yeah. And and I think you're on to something there, Captain, because what did we see happen earlier? They were
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right on the fifth floor of her apartment complex. Right. If your whole intention is taking her home or or
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getting her to a place where she can just sleep it off, >> well, you were there. You were you were
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steps away from putting her in her apartment if that's what you thought you needed to do. Remember, she had her keys
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still at this point in the night when they were at her apartment complex. >> Right. And well, right. But I think the
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problem is those four guys that stopped him. >> I think you're right. >> You know what I mean? And I think that,
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you know, like I said, there's a lot there's a problem. It's a it's a serious problem on college campuses where women
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are getting so intoxicated and then men are taking advantage of that, >> you know, and what do they say? If if
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you're too drunk to say yes, then you're too drunk to say no. >> Okay. >> So, it's kind of that whole thing. And I
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think that's something that people need to take a lot more serious. And I think those individuals saw something, you
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know, m look, maybe they were looking for trouble anyways and they just found this cocky Corey guy
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>> and they punched him in his face. >> Okay. Maybe sometimes when you're being,
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you know, you know, a cocky canoe >> Mhm. >> I just made that one up. Um, get you
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deserve to get punched in the face, >> right? >> But so that's a possibility. But the
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other possibility is they saw something that they thought, you know, this drunk girl, small drunk girl, is in trouble.
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>> Yeah. And and knowing what we know now, I would love to hear a definitive statement from Corey that tells us why
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they chose not to go to her apartment after having been so close to there. Why did you not go to the apartment? Why did
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you go to plan B and all of a sudden now you're going to Cory's place? You know that,
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>> right? you're going back to your own place. But also, it'd be interesting to hear a definitive statement from those
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individuals that punched the guy in the face. >> Exactly. >> And have those guys came forward
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because, you know, technically they could have assault charges pressed against them.
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>> Mhm. So, by this point, you know, after Cory blows chunks on the carpet, he decides that he's going to go to bed.
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And I got to tell you, Captain, if I'm Michael, if I'm the roommate, I'd be pissed at this dude. You know, he comes
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home, he pukes, he goes to bed, and then he leaves me with this falling down drunk person that he that was so drunk
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that he had to carry her home, >> right? So, Michael, quote unquote, doing a paper that night,
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>> now is left to deal with this drunk girl, which he may or may not know that well.
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>> Now, it sounds like Lauren catches a second wind here. Maybe this is the third or fourth wind, but she's she's
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starting to come to and she's she's up now. And Michael says that he is trying to convince Lauren to stay at that
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apartment to sleep over. Um, you know, just stay here. This is, you know, stating this is for her own safety. Um,
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she doesn't need to be out stumbling, falling down drunk, trying to make her way home in the dark by herself.
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>> And that's possibly also Michael just not wanting to have to worry about her.
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Maybe he doesn't know her that well, but he's just like, just sleep on the couch.
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Because, you know, when you're in college, there's plenty of times that you don't really know the person that
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well and they're passed out on your couch and and people go, "Who's that guy?" >> Yeah.
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>> You're like, "Well, we call him Nick." >> Well, that's not me. But one time I came
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home and somebody was sleeping in my bed. [clears throat] >> I had to drag him out of the bed and
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drag him to the hallway and leave him there. >> No. No. No, but you used to come hang out with
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us on campus and you'd pass out in bathrooms and and would always stick that pink pillow. We'd always make you
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sleep with the pink pillow. >> Let's move on here. So, we're talking about these people, not not us people.
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Uh, so I think that, you know, this could be a good call on Michael's part if he if he in fact is doing what he's
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saying he's doing. you know, he probably just doesn't want to deal with, >> you know, the obvious thing here is you
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have the option of walking her home, but but you saw the state that she came into
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the apartment in. You do you really want to deal with that? You know, the >> uh the potential of carrying her home
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sounds ridiculous. So, probably a good call on his part. Uh he says Lauren is not hip to the idea of staying there.
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She keeps saying that she wants to go back to her own apartment. Michael Beth states that Lauren not only wanted to go
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back to her apartment, but she wanted to she wanted Michael to go with her to drink more at her place. At 3 around
00:26:18
3:30 a.m., >> she wanted Michael >> she she was asking Michael to walk with her back to her place and they would
00:26:25
continue partying there. >> Um around 3:30 a.m. >> Sorry, real quick. So, we know that
00:26:31
she's drinking some kind of booze, beer or liquor. >> And they also talked about possible
00:26:38
cocaine. >> Mhm. >> And so, I I would assume that if she is doing cocaine, I've never done cocaine
00:26:44
myself, but uh cocaine. Um that maybe she's just amped up, you know. >> Yeah. Um well, we do. You want to get
00:26:55
into my thoughts right now on on the the cocaine thing? >> Yeah, sure. Okay. Because after she
00:27:02
disappeared, they do find a small amount of cocaine in her apartment. >> Now, part of me has wondered, I would
00:27:09
like to know how much is that small amount of cocaine. Is this something where they just found like remnants of
00:27:15
this on a on a table or countertop, you know, where somebody had been doing cocaine, or was this an actual
00:27:22
>> a small bag? >> It was a small bag. Okay. So that would answer some questions to me here because
00:27:27
if in fact that was what was going on that night, >> she may have wanted to return to her
00:27:32
place to do the remaining cocaine that's >> um I have seen people that that are, you
00:27:39
know, it'll be 3 4 in the morning, they're snorting stuff and and and drinking and it's it's like throwing
00:27:47
fuel on the fire. These people can just keep going and going and if they're out of place or at a party. I've been at
00:27:52
parties where I've seen people, they're snorting stuff and then that stuff has run out and then you will see these
00:27:58
people at 3:00 or 4 in the morning trying to figure out a new place to go to, a new party to go to where they want
00:28:03
to just keep going like the Energizer Bunny all night long. >> Well, right. And and a lot of people
00:28:09
listening might be thinking, geez, you guys hang out with some crazy crowds. But, you know, we used to play in a band
00:28:15
together. And a lot of a lot of the crazy nights that I've had have been, you know, after a gig hanging out with
00:28:21
people. Then it was like, you could get some free beer, you can get some free pot, you can get some free coke if you
00:28:27
want. And and the parties just kind of they go to 11. >> Yeah. Well, well, and you know, these
00:28:34
after concert parties or campus parties, you know, that we we would go to when we
00:28:38
were in our 20s. >> Um, you usually don't know everybody there. Um, you're usually not a part of
00:28:44
what everybody there is a part of, right? >> Um, so you just kind of see these things
00:28:49
going on and you you take note of this. >> Well, we'll get right back to Nick's drug addictions right after this quick
00:28:55
beer break. >> [music] >> All right, we're back. Cheers, mates. >> So, a night of partying on June 2nd,
00:29:23
2011 turns into some early morning partying on the 3. Lauren Sperry, who ends up going
00:29:30
missing, she is now back at her friend's house. Um, and she is being left in the
00:29:36
care of Michael Beth. >> Well, and that's because her friend Corey went on a puking rally.
00:29:42
>> Yeah. He's since gone to bed and now Michael Beth is trying to convince Lauren to stay at their apartment to
00:29:49
sleep it off on the couch. She doesn't want to. She wants to go home. She's actually asking Michael if he wants to
00:29:55
go with her back to her place to drink some more. And it's around 3:30 a.m. that Michael calls Jason Rosenbomb.
00:30:03
Remember him from earlier? He has the apartment that Lauren went to earlier in the night
00:30:08
>> at the beginning of our timeline. So, Michael calls Jason. It sounds to me like he is trying to get rid of Lauren.
00:30:15
Um, you know, maybe it's late and he wants to go to bed, uh, but feels that he has to take care of her. Uh, who
00:30:22
knows? But eventually, Michael takes Lauren to Jason Rosenbomb's apartment. Jason lives just two doors down from
00:30:30
Michael and Cory's apartment. >> Right. So, it's not a huge inconvenience for him to walk her there.
00:30:35
>> Correct. So, Michael goes goes back to his place after taking her to Jason's.
00:30:40
Jason is trying to get Lauren to sleep it off on his couch and then she can walk home in the morning. Lauren again
00:30:47
is having none of it. Lauren insists on returning to her place and she ends up leaving Jason's apartment. Jason says
00:30:54
that he walks her to the door. This is around 4:30 in the morning. Well, and look, I don't want to throw Jason under
00:31:00
the bus, but again, we have two college students. We have their their hormones or raging hormones, right?
00:31:09
>> Possibly >> possibly raging hormones and or for the guy, right? I mean, when I was in my
00:31:17
early college years, I I could say that I had raging hormones, >> right? But I don't know that this is the
00:31:23
situation for Jason. He's kind of >> Well, I'm not throwing him under the bus. But what I'm saying is that there
00:31:28
it possibly could have been, oh, yeah, stay on my couch. Possibly try to make some advances and maybe she's not having
00:31:36
any of it and she wants to leave. >> I'm just saying that. We have to throw that out there.
00:31:40
>> You're exactly right. So he says he walks her to the door and this again around is around 4:30 in the morning. Uh
00:31:47
Lauren leaves his apartment. Jason stands with the door open watching Lauren walk. Uh he sees her go up 11th
00:31:56
Street. According to the Bloomington Police Department's timeline, Jason Rosenbomb is the last person to see
00:32:03
Lauren alive. Hours later, Lauren's boyfriend, Jesse Wolf, remember, he did not go out with
00:32:10
his girlfriend that Thursday night. He stayed in. Well, now it's the next day, and Jesse is texting Lauren. He he gets
00:32:18
a reply, but it it's not from Lauren. This is from someone who works at the Kilroy Sports Bar.
00:32:25
>> Mhm. >> She having left her phone and shoes there, an employee replied to Jesse's
00:32:30
text. Jesse then files a missing person's report with the Bloomington Police Department. And that Friday
00:32:37
night, as Rob and Charlene are sitting down to their normal Friday dinner, they get a phone call, a hearttoppping phone
00:32:43
call that shattered their world. Their little girl, Lauren, is now missing. Early on, police said that the chances
00:32:50
of foul play were very great in this situation because their thinking is that otherwise Lauren would have made contact
00:32:58
with someone after she had gone missing. So, the police are expecting the worst right from the get-go. But then we learn
00:33:05
a little more about the last night and the early morning activities and the goings on with Lauren and maybe some of
00:33:11
her friends when she was last seen. So, not only do witnesses describe Lauren as
00:33:17
having been inebriated, this is corroborated with the video footage of her stumbling barefoot down the hallway
00:33:23
of her apartment building. But other reports come in saying that she had used drugs that night. And Captain and I
00:33:30
talked about this a little bit earlier. We're we weren't talking about the easy stuff. No, we're talking about some
00:33:36
pretty hardcore uh drugs being consumed that night. Mhm. There's speculation of cocaine and also maybe ecstasy.
00:33:44
>> Yeah. And and the other reports are stating cocaine and colonopen and at least one source saying that the
00:33:52
colonopin was not taken in pill form but rather chopped up and snorted. Now that
00:33:59
that to me is like some Aussie Osborne 1985 stuff there, man. Now, we we all know about
00:34:05
>> Well, there's no report of her sniffing a line of ants, but >> Oh, yeah. >> pretty much everything.
00:34:11
>> That's right. He he did that, too, didn't he? >> Supposedly. >> Yeah. So, you know, we we know about
00:34:17
cocaine. That's pretty pretty common knowledge there. Uh but let's discuss colonopin here for a second. Um I don't
00:34:25
know if I'm sure there's probably some of our listeners out there have taken Colonopin before. Um it I have. It's an
00:34:32
anxiety pill. Um, I had a situation years ago when I worked at this very stressful job and every every Monday was
00:34:40
a really wreck of a day. Like I would have to sit there and lead these meetings and and kind of instruct
00:34:46
everybody as to what to do for the upcoming week. But the whole time I did these meetings, this was about half of
00:34:52
my Monday. My two bosses would just kind of stand there and watch me lead these meetings. And it just I mean it really
00:34:59
put me on edge because they're just kind of sitting there like like Simon Cow kind of just judging me the whole time
00:35:05
and taking notes and not really saying anything. And I found myself in a situation where every Sunday the day
00:35:11
before I was like a real grumpy jerk face. >> Mhm. >> And I couldn't figure out what was going
00:35:17
on. But I figured out that the stress the upcoming stress of knowing what what was going to take place on Monday was
00:35:23
making me this horrible dude on Sundays. So my doctor and I talked about it for some time and and she put me on
00:35:30
colonopen. Um, I the thing is I quit taking it cuz it it was it was a weird ride because sometimes I would take one
00:35:39
pill and I would only take it on Sundays and sometimes this one pill would make me feel like I've had about five or six
00:35:47
beers like like I mean you just take it and you swallow it down with a little bit of water and then
00:35:54
>> 20 minutes later you feel like you're intoxicated. >> Well, with a you know the the party
00:35:58
scene has kind of changed a little bit. I remember a few years back, at least the crowd
00:36:04
that I was running with, you know, you might be drinking a couple beers, but then people start popping pills with
00:36:09
those beers. Well, like like what we're talking about on the last episode, you know, some of the medicine that is
00:36:14
prescribed for a reason. If you took, you know, had a couple beers with it, it was going to send you off into
00:36:20
Neverland, >> you know. So, that's kind of the purpose. I mean, they're not only are
00:36:26
they, you know, doing, you know, doing beer, doing beer, drinking beer, drinking liquor, but on top of that,
00:36:32
possibly cocaine, clonopin, and that and mix mixing all that stuff with alcohol is going to send you on a crazier ride.
00:36:41
>> So, I mean, it's it's it's almost like just non-stop, you know? It's like, yo,
00:36:46
yolo, man. YOLO y, you know, just like just have a couple beers and chillax, you Well, and you know me, I really
00:36:54
don't like to take anything unless I think it's absolutely necessary. So, I was skeptical from the get-go. But, uh,
00:37:00
the thing that I also did not like about it was that I didn't I didn't have the same reaction every time I took it.
00:37:07
Sometimes I would get that very drunk feeling. Um, and then other times it would just make me very numb, like just
00:37:14
like my brain went numb and I went dumb, you know, like I just kind of just feel
00:37:18
like I was way out of it. Just zombie like >> felt normal. But I didn't like and I don't know why I
00:37:24
would feel one way one time and complete opposite the other time. And so I didn't
00:37:29
trust it. And I and I only probably took it for about six or seven weeks and then
00:37:33
I told the doctor, you know, we got to we got to end this and I'll just have to deal with this stress in a more healthy
00:37:39
way. >> Right. And back to the thing about the whole partying with it. You know, I had
00:37:43
a lot of friends that good friends of mine that could have a couple beers and they could take a pill, one pill maybe,
00:37:50
>> and they would just it just give them an overall body high and they just felt
00:37:53
great. But there was a couple times where, like you said, you don't know how it's going to react, how your body's
00:37:59
going to react depending on how much sleep you got, how much you ate, and they would have these bad experiences
00:38:05
and then they'd tell me, and you all, everybody has those experience where you drink so much and you say, "I'm never
00:38:10
doing that again." But these were like really bad experiences. So >> the fact that she's going from one place
00:38:17
to another place and she's putting herself in not the safest of conditions. Um I think who knows how much she was
00:38:26
on. >> Yeah. And and I want to be clear here though, this colonopin stuff is not like
00:38:32
your everyday prescribed medication. This is a narcotic. you know, I had to get a special, you know, it the the
00:38:39
prescription looked much different that I had to take to get filled than than what other prescriptions would would
00:38:45
typically look like. Um, and I'm going to kind of go to the far extreme here because I'm sure that Colonopin might
00:38:52
work for some people in some situations. Uh, but I'm going to go to the far extreme part of of bringing up the bad,
00:39:00
the very bad of of this pill. This is from an internet article titled America's Most Dangerous Pill,
00:39:06
Colonopin. You can look this up if you want to read the entire article at cch i nt.org.
00:39:14
Uh, but I'll give you the basic garage version of the article. So, Colonopin is a benzoizopene
00:39:21
and I hope I said that right. And according to this article that no benzo has been more lethal to to millions of
00:39:28
Americans than the popular prescribed drug called colonopen. Uh this was something that Stevie Nicks battled with
00:39:36
at one point and she's been very vocal about it. Um Stevie Nicks had checked herself into the Betty Ford clinic back
00:39:43
in 1986 to overcome a cocaine addiction. After her release, the psychiatrist in question uh prescribed a series of benzo
00:39:52
to her. First Valium and then Xanax and finally colonopen. And she battled this colonopen addiction and and and she had
00:40:00
severe side effects to it. >> Basically trading one evil to a another evil. >> You're exactly right. Uh, also in 1996,
00:40:09
actress Margot Hemingway uh committed suicide by overdosing on a combination of benzo pills with barbituates. Um,
00:40:18
weeks later, we have Hollywood producer Don Simpson. He did the uh Beverly Hills
00:40:23
cop. Uh, he also died from an unintentional benzo-based overdose. Um, Colonopin was one of 11 different
00:40:31
prescription drugs, all written by the same doctor, found in the body of Playboy centerfold model Anna Nicole
00:40:38
Smith, who ODed in 2007. >> We should throw a caveat in there. >> There was 11 different prescribed pills.
00:40:46
So, you can't you can't really throw it all on the back of Colonopin there. And then this one is kind of close to your
00:40:52
heart here, Captain. Um thereafter we have well-known Los Angeles author David Foster Wallace who was suffering from a
00:40:59
profound depression when a doctor prescribed him colonopin. >> Uh he was you know found in his
00:41:06
backyard. He had he had hung himself with a leather belt that he had nailed to a overhead beam on his patio.
00:41:13
>> Mhm. >> Um so Colonopin has been >> Oh DFW. >> Yep. But yeah, but the but now on his
00:41:19
story though, they took him off one anti-depressant and they were trying other forms of, you know, anxiety
00:41:28
medicine and stuff. So, it wasn't like that they put him on colonopen and that made him go crazy.
00:41:33
>> He was struggling with depression for a very long time. And it's really more the
00:41:38
cause of his death is more the fact that he was on such a archaic >> medicine, right? And then when they put
00:41:44
him back on it after he had a basically the medicine they put him on, if he ate certain things, he could have a bad
00:41:51
reaction. And when he had the bad reaction, then they said, "Let's try to get you on something else."
00:41:57
>> It never found the thing that worked for him, >> right? >> Leading him to hang himself. getting
00:42:02
away from Hollywood. In 2008, reports began to surface of soldiers returning from Iraq with post-traumatic stress
00:42:10
disorder who were dying in their sleep. Um, these were victims of a psychmed cocktail of Colonopin, Paxel, and
00:42:19
Surquel. Uh, this is an anti-csychotic that is routinely prescribed by VA hospitals. So even if we are not
00:42:27
familiar with colonopen that definitely gives us some idea of what we might be dealing with here as far as this pill
00:42:35
goes. And the thing that really sticks out here to me is that having read the full article and a couple of others, it
00:42:42
sounds like the experts, you know, the doctors, scientists, and chemists, what have you, they all seem to agree that
00:42:49
this pill is not something that they seem to understand very well or maybe even how everyone is going to react to
00:42:56
it. >> Well, then here, how about we not prescribe it to anybody? >> That would be that would be a good idea
00:43:01
>> if we don't understand it. See, this is this is the stuff that drives me freaking bonkers, man. We don't really
00:43:07
understand it, but we're going to give it to a bunch of people. >> Yeah. And the the big problem I see
00:43:12
here, too, is that it seems to have a different reaction from person to person. Um, and like I said, just with
00:43:18
with myself, I had two completely different reactions to it on different occasions. So, some some scary stuff.
00:43:26
It's it's I just want to point that out because it's a serious deal, man. It's not it's not like taking an aspirin, you
00:43:33
know. And I think sometimes when people see something in a pill pill form, they think, "Oh, this can't kill me. This
00:43:39
can't this can't hurt me." They they give this to people. >> Right. Right. But the the other problem
00:43:43
with this, and I've seen this multiple times, I've seen guys pull out pills, crush them up, and snort them right off
00:43:51
the table. >> And that's not the way they're meant to be. >> They're not No, they're not meant to be
00:43:56
taken that way. But it's because they would they would hit the system faster or maybe even have a harder reaction.
00:44:01
I'm not really for sure. >> That's not my thing. Uh >> those dudes are probably mixing it with
00:44:07
alcohol. I would guess if you're snorting stuff, you're they're they're drinking things usually as well,
00:44:11
>> right? But this kind of goes to the theory, and I think we can just touch on this a little bit. Yeah.
00:44:15
>> One of the major theories is that she did OD and that she died >> from the partying that took place that
00:44:23
night. Yeah. >> And so basically this report that you're showing is this is if she did take this
00:44:29
and we don't have any proof of this >> other than >> other than witnesses saying
00:44:33
>> other than witnesses. That's that's our little bit of evidence, but >> it's not like you know she's still
00:44:39
missing. So it's not like we have a body that we could do a toxicology report and
00:44:43
see this. >> Correct. >> So we're just going off on that. >> But this is a drug that can be very
00:44:49
lethal. >> Mhm. and especially lethal if you're on if you're drinking alcohol with it.
00:44:55
>> Yeah. And adding cocaine to to this cocktail. >> So, this really leads to, you know, you
00:45:00
have to let the evidence, you know, lead you to something. Don't let the evidence
00:45:04
make it fit. But, so the theory that she did OD, you know, is is a strong theory.
00:45:12
>> Yeah. Well, and part of that theory, too, is that Lauren may have had a drug problem. Um, it's been pointed out that,
00:45:20
you know, these drugs or or drugs might not have just been the first time that she had done them. This wasn't a
00:45:27
one-time thing for her or, you know, just a wild end of school year. Oh, I did awesome, so let's go nutso and party
00:45:34
and >> binge drink and have a long weekend. Um, it's been pointed out that um that she
00:45:40
may have had a problem, you know, and in some point to her arrest. She was arrested in September of 2010 on charges
00:45:47
of public intoxication and illegal consumption. Now, I do want to point out though, we're talking about drugs and
00:45:54
then they bring up this arrest, but this arrest sounds to me very much like it's
00:45:59
just alcohol related type charges. >> Well, you're right. A typical charge that you're going to have on campus
00:46:05
because normally if you're going from bar to bar, you're walking. >> Mhm. And so there's a lot of people that
00:46:10
get, you know, um, you know, drunk in public. >> But no, so that's not that uncommon. And
00:46:17
I think the the fact that, you know, and who knows if her parents are listening to this, but like we we don't know if
00:46:24
she had a problem. We, you know, just because somebody has taken drugs a handful of times does not necessarily
00:46:31
mean that they have a a problem, right? >> There's a thing called experimentation.
00:46:36
And and I would just say that when you're whenever you start drinking booze, you know, uh I didn't drink a lot
00:46:43
in high school. It was more like once I got to the college ages, but you know, I
00:46:48
was in college at 18. So there was, you know, three years before I was legally allowed to drink that I was, I would
00:46:56
say, experimenting with alcohol >> and through that experimentation and still experimenting with it because
00:47:04
there's still those times that I don't know my limits or I go past those limits. And so I, you know, I think to
00:47:11
say that she had a problem, I think it's kind of um not responsible. You know, I
00:47:17
think she was at this this stage of experimenting. >> It's definitely speculation. It's
00:47:22
definitely opinion based. There's not a lot of evidence on it. And I and I point
00:47:26
to this arrest as being the contrary. It's right. It that's no evessions of possession of drugs or or found, you
00:47:39
know, drugs in her system, >> that would be a different situation. This sounds to me like a pretty innocent
00:47:45
college girl doing what most college kids do. Uh it sounds like, you know, partying one weekend and you got caught.
00:47:52
You happened to be walked past the wrong officer, >> right? And you have happened to be
00:47:55
underage >> and that's probably why they took notice of her. I mean, she was a very small
00:48:00
individual, >> very petite. >> She was 411. She was they claim about 90 lbs. I' I'd guess at this point she's
00:48:07
probably about 100 105 because you're going to put on some weight once you're in college and if she's drinking a bunch
00:48:13
>> Mhm. >> I'd say she's probably about 100 pounds. >> Uh some of the same witnesses that told
00:48:18
police that she was using the night of her disappearance also stated that she had been using the same or similar drugs
00:48:26
regularly leading up to that night. >> But what does that mean? Is that for a couple months? Is that for a couple
00:48:32
weeks? Again, with this case, um, we have these witness statements and we don't have names to put to these
00:48:41
witnesses, right? We also have very pretty vague statements. And the thing here is that that my big caveat to
00:48:48
everyone, and this was to myself included when I was researching this case, was when they say witnesses,
00:48:56
well, I want a name. I don't just don't just lump everybody into a category of witnesses because guess what? We have
00:49:02
three guys that are under some suspicion and well four if you include the the boyfriend.
00:49:09
>> Um so we have four guys that are under some suspicion. Now if your witnesses are those four guys I don't like you
00:49:17
know it's tough when witnesses might be suspects as well because then you don't know their motive for saying certain
00:49:22
things. >> Right. Right. And and so the thing is is like you know let's just talk about the
00:49:27
ex-boyfriend for a second. What >> I mean, let's say I mean, for all we know, she was doing this for, let's say,
00:49:34
a month or so, and maybe he didn't really approve of it, and that's possibly one of the reasons he didn't
00:49:38
want to go hang out with her. >> Mhm. >> I mean, who knows? But we and like you said, that's the such a frustrating
00:49:44
thing when you're looking up some of this stuff. A witness said, "Well, who was the damn witness,
00:49:48
>> right?" >> You know, because that really changes the outlook. And and a lot of times as
00:49:54
armchair detectives, I think all of us would know this. When you start diving into a case, you know, some cases just
00:50:02
don't have much at all. But then other ones, like in this scenario, we have a bunch of witness accounts, but we don't
00:50:08
know who it's coming from. So, we don't even have any way that we can lean one way or the other. Is this true or
00:50:14
>> you don't know how much weight to put into those different statements. >> Yeah. And that makes it a lot harder to
00:50:20
form opinions, you know. >> Yeah. The the the cocaine in her apartment found afterwards does present
00:50:27
a problem. It does point towards maybe some regular use. Um to certainly to me, >> I don't believe this was her first
00:50:35
rodeo. You know, >> I agree. I agree. Cuz I I don't think you I don't know. I can't it's you can't
00:50:41
speak for everybody, but it's just hard for me to believe that maybe somebody goes from maybe a hardcore binge drinker
00:50:48
party person to all of a sudden now things are going up the nose and it's different. It's a different mixture of
00:50:55
things. It's not just it doesn't seem so experimental to me. Now, speaking of the
00:51:00
boyfriend, uh, Jesse Wolf, um, his mother alleged that Lauren had been had been asked to leave, or I guess maybe
00:51:08
sent home would be better way to phrase it. Uh, there was a summer camp that they had attended at one point, and this
00:51:16
was when they were minors, and she had >> Oh, she's well, okay. Yeah. >> Before, you know, before she was 18.
00:51:22
However, she was asked to leave this summer camp. Uh, you know, again, I this was she was asked to leave because of
00:51:30
drug use. Now, I'm a little on the fence with this. Again, I don't know that this
00:51:35
points towards some kind of hardcore drug addict. Uh, when I hear summer camp and I hear a kid getting sent home, that
00:51:42
like immediately screams smoking pot to me. You know what I mean? Like, >> I was actually going to say even
00:51:48
cigarette. >> Right. [clears throat] Right. because, you know, I actually attended a wasn't a
00:51:54
band camp, but it was it was an arts camp for musicians, for painters, for ballet dancers, and all the all that
00:52:02
stuff. Ballerinas. Um, >> and the big thing was it was like a twoe camp. So, anybody that like ever smoked,
00:52:10
you know, it was like, "Oh, well, you can't have a cigarette for two weeks, but if somebody could get one from like
00:52:15
one of the camp counselors, then it's like you're meeting up with a bunch of people to go share a cigarette in the
00:52:22
bathroom and and if that happened like every four or five days, it was like a big deal, you know, like you're you're
00:52:29
one of the bad kids." Um, but if we would have got caught, they probably would have sent us home and they might
00:52:34
have even said for drug use. summer camp just doesn't sound to me like somebody packing cocaine and bringing it with
00:52:41
them. And again, I don't know anything. I don't have any evidence to point towards anything. All we are hearing is
00:52:47
what Jesse's mother is saying now. >> Well, the well well, at least we know who that comment is coming from.
00:52:54
>> Yeah. And >> because because there is there is some weight to the fact that >> well, like we said, there's four guys
00:53:00
that are major suspects that we have to really consider. one being the ex-boyfriend. And to me, this is drawing
00:53:08
light away from him as a possible suspect and more putting the blame on her. >> And but the thing here though too,
00:53:15
Captain, is again, it's another very vague statement. When you leave these vague statements, you allow people's
00:53:22
imaginations to run wild and maybe people start making leaps and connecting things that they that really have no
00:53:28
relevance to one another. Mhm. >> You know, when you hear she's asked to leave summer camp because of drug use
00:53:33
>> and then you're like, well, she she was they found cocaine in her apartment. Well, this kid's been doing cocaine for
00:53:38
years, >> right? >> When really, I don't think I see a situation here of, you know, I'd like to
00:53:43
know some more of the details. Was this just simply a group of kids standing around sharing a sharing a joint and she
00:53:51
happened to be the one that got caught with it in her hand at the time? >> Yeah. Or was she just in the circle?
00:53:55
>> Yeah. Or did they did everybody get involved? >> Or did they find something in her in her
00:53:59
bag that she packed? Or, you know, it's a whole different way either way. >> Or maybe they find 500 lb of cocaine in
00:54:06
a bag. That's a lot of cocaine. [laughter] But but what I'm saying is it can go either
00:54:12
way. >> It can go from something pretty innocent to something >> something. Yeah. She was smuggling, you
00:54:17
know, she's running a whole cartel, you know, >> and we should also talk about the
00:54:20
initial police theories here. Um, you know, we and we'll dive into each one of these more on tomorrow's show, but just
00:54:27
just kind of to throw this out there for something to think about. >> Um, you know, when we have these missing
00:54:33
person's cases, there's usually a lot of theories. Well, the police start off this situation by working under under
00:54:41
just a few simple theories. Uh, the first being the foul play theory. Uh, remember they had originally said that
00:54:48
they expected foul play because she had not communicated with anyone, >> right? Uh the second theory would be
00:54:53
that the inner circle theory. Um someone in her inner circle did something bad to
00:54:59
her. Um this could have this could mean the boyfriend. This could mean any of those other friends that she was hanging
00:55:04
out with that night. A third theory is one that's probably common amongst college campuses. Uh but this would be
00:55:12
the somebody drugged her at the bar that that somebody would have put something in her drink or drugged her somewhere
00:55:19
along the night uh that she was out partying. >> Yeah, very possible. >> Uh and the fourth theory being a
00:55:25
possible overdose um and that persons with her or somebody with her tried to cover up the fact that
00:55:33
she died from an overdose and they got scared and dumped or hide hid her body somewhere.
00:55:39
>> So we have four theories. M >> we have four suspects. We got a lot to chew on till tomorrow. We got a lot to
00:55:46
dive into. This case is just getting started. >> And a quick description of Lauren of the
00:55:52
night that she went missing. Uh so everybody knows what we're looking for here. Lauren Spearer is described as a
00:55:58
Caucasian female who is 4' 11 in tall with a slender build. She has blue eyes and blonde hair. She was last seen
00:56:07
wearing a white tank top with a light colored shirt over top of it and black stretch pants. Anyone with information
00:56:15
on her whereabouts is asked to call the Bloomington Police Department at 812339-4477.
00:56:24
And for more information, you can also visit lauren.com. >> Yeah. And I hate to do it. I don't want
00:56:30
to do it, but uh >> you have to do it. >> I have to make a correction. I had a I have a I have a giant foot and
00:56:39
my giant mouth because you know what happened when I was researching this case? >> I made this statement and I was kind of
00:56:46
I was kind of a little pissed off and I made this statement on on National Women's Day, right?
00:56:51
>> Two weeks ago. >> Two weeks ago. And uh and I and I called Kim K's ass fat, which I mean I'm not
00:56:59
saying I don't like looking at it, but it's, you know, it's nice ass. Anyways, >> it's not small. It's not a small ass,
00:57:05
but uh I said if celebrities, you know, which you know, you know, talent or not, you know, she has power.
00:57:14
If she used her power for some good and maybe when somebody went missing, if some of these celebrities would use
00:57:19
their power to tweet this stuff out or put a blast on Instagram or anything like that. That's what I said.
00:57:27
>> You said that you you were that they should do this. >> Yes, they they should. And and so that's
00:57:33
what I said. And then as I'm researching Lauren's case, guess who tweeted about this case? Kim Kardashian. So I want to
00:57:42
go on record by saying that Kim Kardashian did tweet about a missing person case. Uh I think that's very
00:57:51
commendable of her. >> Yes, we applaud >> and I applaud her and I apologize for those ne negative comments.
00:57:58
>> Well, the thing is Well, that's very nice of you. And she didn't ruin Kanye's
00:58:02
career. Kanye ruined Kanye's career. But other than that, I I applaud her and I I
00:58:08
will admit when I'm wrong >> and she but she tweeted about this case years ago. You just happened to come
00:58:13
across it when you were doing your research. [clears throat] It wasn't it wasn't like she's reacting to the
00:58:17
captain, >> right? No, but it was just >> she doesn't know who the captain is. >> It was just the fact that it's just very
00:58:22
odd that, you know, we we pick a case two weeks ago. I bring up Kim Kardashian for whatever reason. I don't even
00:58:28
>> What a random thought. I don't even remember. I you know I don't even know how she popped into my head and I
00:58:33
brought her up. I was just thinking about a celebrity that could use their power for some some good and then two
00:58:39
weeks later it smacks me in the face that oh by the way you idiot if you did any research on her she has been trying
00:58:46
to use her powers for some good. So I apologize. I was wrong. >> How does that crow taste captain?
00:58:53
[laughter] I mean when I was reading I mean I was reading about it and I read Kim
00:59:00
Kardashian you know this case got Lauren's case got so popular that Kim Kardashian even po you know uh posted
00:59:07
some stuff about it >> and I didn't believe the article I was reading and then I was watching that
00:59:12
2020 on this case and they talk about it Ryan Serest and I went a [ __ ] >> the lesson here we shouldn't be so quick
00:59:20
to judge. Yeah, I shouldn't be so judgmental. >> All right, let's wrap this up so we can
00:59:24
start on part two. >> All right, you beautiful people. Thank you guys for listening. Thanks for
00:59:29
telling a friend. Thanks for telling family members. It's all because of you. We love you.
00:59:34
>> And we'll see you back here in the garage tomorrow. And until then, be good, be kind, and don't litter. Don't
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