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[Music] hundreds of Boston police officers standing in solidarity as they made their way into St Francis of AI Church
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in brain Tre [Music] Sunday all to show their respect for Boston police officer johon O'Keefe who
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died last week it's such a tragedy what can you do this is probably one of the worst things I've ever heard happen
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police say officer O'Keefe was found dead during the blizzard last weekend in Canton a few days later his girlfriend
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was arrested and charged with manslaughter in connection to his death prosecutors believe she hit him with her
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SUV and drove off but her attorney says she didn't know she struck him it's just
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like literally the worst situation I could ever ever think of Tiffany Logan went to high school in college with
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o'keef she was among hundreds who came out for his wig lining Washington Street for hours salt of the earth he was the
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best guy ever I went into high school went to Northeastern for criminal justice um he became a cop I became a
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lawyer Melissa Jones grew up next door to the o'keefes the family has gone through a tremendous loss um he lost his
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sister then his brother-in-law and the kids have been without parents and then they had Johnny as their guardian and
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it's just it's unfortunate it's sad O'Keefe was the guardian for his niece and nephew after his sister died from
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cancer now so many people are showing up to support this family grieving once again he is just literally the nicest
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guy and it was a terrible tragedy and I would love to know exactly what happened
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that [Music] [Music] night this is a case that has seemingly captivated hundreds of thousands of
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people a case that has captured the attention of so many that it's often reported that if the Donald Trump trial
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was not going on at the same time that this would be the top news story on every news show every News website and
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newspaper this is the murder case the vehicular homicide case regarding the yet to be explained death of John
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O'Keefe John O'Keefe was a 46-year-old man living in Canton Massachusetts John was killed in January of 20 20
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22 this very much a headline grabbing story and for many many reasons but I truly believe one of those reasons is
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because of the victim at the center of this she said they said confusing story John was a good man a police officer and
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a man who adopted his niece and nephew after the passing of their parents John was well-liked and a man who should be
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looked up to respected and remembered fondly among the many reasons that this case has so many people talking is the
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person accused of killing John the accused is his girlfriend Karen Reed Karen is a successful woman she had her
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own place but to add some perspective to this relationship of John and Karen Karen spent most nights at Jon's house
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in fact it's often reported that she lived there John was born December 8th 1975 5 he grew up in brain tree
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Massachusetts he earned a master's degree in criminal justice from UMass LOL and lived in Canton since
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2014 where he was raising his niece and nephew following his sister and brother-in-laws passing O'Keefe was a
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16-year veteran of the Boston Police Department prior to his death he was recently assigned to the sex offender
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registry unit with BPD Karen a reed was in her early 40s at the time of John's death she was born
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1979 she graduated from Bentley University with a Bachelor of Science degree and a master's of Science in
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Global Financial analysis she had been a financial analyst at Fidelity Investments and was an Adjunct professor
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at Bentley University the two had been dating since 20 20 this incident leading to John's death occurred in 2022 some
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reports do say that they had been dating since 2019 and as we said they were practically living together at the time
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of John's death at John's house with the two youngsters for those not following this case at the time of this recording
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there is an ongoing trial which of course does make our telling of this True Crime Story difficult so note that
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as details and testimony continues at this trial there could be more information or even better information
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but longtime listeners of the garage know that we are well versed in covering unsolved and yet to be adjudicated cases
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well we had no choice in the matter we had to cover this case we were receiving dozens of emails every day saying when
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are you going to talk about the Karen Reed case it was an outcry a public uproar as some would say they demanded
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you demanded it and so we are delivering it Karen Reed is accused of running over
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John o'keef for at the very least hitting him with her car and causing his death now please note that just a minute
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ago I said True Crime case and True Crime Story and yes there is a trial that is ongoing in fact the court will
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be in session today but to be perfectly clear as far as the courts are concerned
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not only did a crime take place but several crimes took place with the worst of those being a homicide because as it
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stands today no one is arguing in court that this was any kind of accident no the state of Massachusetts has charg
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Karen Reed with second deegree murder motor vehicle manslaughter and leaving the scene of a collision Karen
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Reed and her defense team has alleged that she did not hit John O'Keefe with her car and that this was a frame job
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she alleges that John O'Keefe attended a party at another police officer's home where Jon was attacked beaten and tossed
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out in the freezing cold and that several persons were either involved in causing his death or at the very least
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were aware of what happened and now the group has conspired against Karen to cover up what they did this again
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according to her defense team to give a little bit of a background here Captain I want to read something
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that is taken from the Boston Globe this is from February of 2022 so shortly after John's death and
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portions of this article read Karen Reed says her and two girlfriends found Reed's boyfriend Jon O'Keefe dead he was
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face up and unconscious according to the affidavit Reed lay on top of him and attempt to warm his body and
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administered CPR the affidavit said John O'Keefe was pronounced dead hours later
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at Good Samaritan Hospital John was a police officer with the Boston police department since it has been alleged
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that John's girlfriend Karen Reed ran over or at least struck John and she left him to die in the snow O'Keefe's
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death was publicly mourned by Police Superintendent Chief Gregory long long is also the Department's acting
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commissioner and he said quote John was a kind person dedicated to his family and will be greatly missed by his
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co-workers and anyone who had the privilege of meeting him we are stunned and saddened and offer whatever support
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we can to Jon's family a Boston officer who declined to provide his name in this
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news report said that O'Keefe and Reed had dated for the past couple of years the death of O'Keefe and the
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circumstances of how he died raises more questions than answers the officer told
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the globe quote he was the best person on the planet he said of O'Keefe Reed's defense attorney David Yanti said his
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client was in shock and mourning quote manslaughter is a tremendous Reach In this case I don't see any Criminal
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Intent this was my client's boyfriend somebody with whom she was in love I am disappointed in the rush to judgment
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against my client yti said my client has no Criminal Intent she loved this man she is devastated she is innocent and
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that will come out at trial okay and here we are at trial now Captain well this case is very complicated because
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it's not just as simple as did Karen do this or did she not do this then you got
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to throw in did something happen to him at the party and then the other aspect of this case is is it possible that
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there was an accident that nobody was involved in and then on top of that was there an accident where Karen hit JN
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with the vehicle but didn't know that she did so there's all these different angles here where normally it's like
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this person is either innocent or guilty I think there's a lot of great areas in
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this case and that's that's exactly why I wanted to clear that up and point out True Crime right I know it's in the name
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the title of our show but for the purposes of telling this story the captain and I did not go into the
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research of this case leaving out the possibility that this simply could be a vehicular accident I think that is still
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on the table but I'm pointing out to all of the listeners out there especially the ones that are not
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following the day-to-day on this case that as far as the trial goes both neither side is arguing an accident the
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prosecution is saying Karen Reed is responsible for killing John and Karen Reed and her defense team they are
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saying not just that Karen Reed is not responsible but that the people hosting this party somebody there is respons
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responsible for what happened to John and I think that a lot of that has to be based off
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of the number of injuries inflicted on Jon prior to his passing and that's that's going to be
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just one of several key elements in this case that's going to raise a lot of questions for both
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arguments as far as I'm concerned and I'll just say upfront I think this investigation was shitty and it's
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actually really pathetic because you're investigating the death possibly the murder of one of your own and I just
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think they dropped the ball You could argue conspiracy sure but I think there's no argument that these that the
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investigators dropped the ball and that's that's very pathetic let me highlight what you just said there
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because I agree with a lot of what you said and look we're not trying to turn this we're not trying to turn this on
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the cops right out the gate I am it it's more of what the captain said if there ever was a time to get it right it's
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when you are investigating the death of one of your own right if there and so we
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highlight that because of several reasons but one of them for me Captain is that this I think even if the
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investigation was 100% spot on yeah it's still a confusing case and because I think and agree with you that there were
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some lackluster moments in said investigation that it has made it far more complicated than it started off to
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be when you're going to charge somebody with murder that's serious charges that has serious consequences to somebody so
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maybe you should have a serious investigation and the victim deserves that exactly and so does the defendant
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and and all of the persons involved here because while we lost John O'Keefe and we've already just tip of the iceberg
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talking about what kind of guy he was standup guy but on top of that when you are when
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we're talking about second deegree murder charges the defendant could face up to life in prison so there's a lot at
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stake here and and it's it's double sad right we we lost a really good guy a good police officer
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but then on top of that to see that the the investigation was not up to Snuff now let's we'll we'll quit uh harping on
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that let's get into some of the information let's go through the timeline and description of the
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information that we have the short description is that on January 29th 202 to off-duty officer John O'Keefe was
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found dead outside a home that belonged to a police officer in Canton Massachusetts John was dropped off at
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the home by his girlfriend Karen Reed after a night of drinking this was in the early hours of the morning to join a
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gathering hosted by fellow police officer Brian Albert then hours later Jon's body was
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discovered in the yard by his girlfriend and two other women he was transported to a local hospital where cause of death
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was listed as blunt force trauma and hypothermia so let's start at the beginning of the evening we are going to
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we're going to go back to the night of January 28th 2022 this is a Friday John O'Keefe and Karen Reed visited two bars
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in Canton Massachusetts These Bars SL restaurants are CF McCarthy's and waterfall Bar and Grill
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we have boyfriend and girlfriend out on a Friday night having drinks and they are there drinking with friends there
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are those who will say that the relationship was quite strained by this time that the couple that they were
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having some kind of trouble right and some even saying that John was thinking about ending the relationship or was
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planning to end the relationship now this is going to be a key item and it's also let's keep in mind here while this
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is going to go toward motive in the case or a possible motive this is also something that I think is left open to
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interpretation and is wildly speculated about and I say that not just from the persons like us watching this with the
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bird's eye of you from a th000 ft away right but from those who knew the two individuals so it seems to be captain
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that they they had some trouble or it's been reported and testified to in court so far that they took a trip to Aruba
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with a bunch of friends and this would have been right around New Year of 2022 John was according to the testimony
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I have heard and and that's where I'm going to kind of lean on a lot of this information because if you start to
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research this case there's a lot of good networks and a lot of people focusing and covering this case yeah a lot of it
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is their thoughts opinions and even speculation that they're offering up as well so when available I'm going to try
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to rely on what was what somebody was willing to testify in court to what were the what was somebody willing to put
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their hand on a Bible stand in front of a judge and a jury and a room full of people and say this is what I witnessed
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some of the testimony in this regard Captain was that John was falsely accused by Karen Reed on that Aruba trip
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so they go with a group of people this was a group trip a bunch of friends at least one of the friends testified to
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that he was falsely accused of kissing another friend that was along on the trip and that Karen Reed was upset with
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him jealous maybe even telling people that she had feared that John had cheated on her right there's been other
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reports too that the couple that they were kind of it was it was a relationship from both ends right like
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it where you get you have the moments of where they're lovey-dovey and they look
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very much love and very much together and then there are other people that say no they argued and they fought a lot and
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we don't mean physical fights there's nobody saying that but that's the word that's being tossed about there's other
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people that just say no it's it was your standard relationship not not everybody
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gets along together all the time I think that there's a lot of debate here again
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if you are in the camp or you want to try to drive home the idea that she may be guilty of something well with that
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comes the idea that this relationship might have been ending now there are other people out there that say that if
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it were ending their perception was that Karen agreed that they were not getting
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along and that maybe both of them mutually thought the best thing to do would be to part ways well we have to
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bring up the fact that they actually dated years and years before this and I always tell people don't do it just cuz
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it worked you know how it worked out before it it makes as much sense as taking a shower and putting back on
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dirty underwear but the people that think that Karen is innocent will say well we have surveillance footage of
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them at the bar I've seen that footage to me they look lovey-dovey yeah but we don't know what took place from the time
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they left that bar to the time they arrived at the party we don't know if a fight broke out we don't know if uh this
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oh well you want to go to this party but I don't want to hey make sure you don't
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kiss anybody because we don't have to deal with that again we don't know because we're not privy to that
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information what happened between the bar and the party that furthers the issue with some of this information you
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actually get varying opinions from the persons hanging out with them that night right
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they're they there are people in that group that night that were drinking and hanging out together that say oh they
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were lovey-dovey they look great together they they were a fantastic couple and then there's at least one
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person that says that she had a conversation with Karen Reed and Karen said something to the effect of
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well if or and here's here's a lot of problems with this case Captain is the subtlety of some of the words and the
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importance of a of one word in particular when people were describing these things right so one person says
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that she had a conversation with Karen Reed and Karen Reed expressed to her that if John and I break up and let me
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phrase it two different ways because I've heard it two different ways the other way is when John and I break up
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yeah the second part of the sentence Remains the Same and both telling of this story and the second part is Karen
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expressing to this person that she hopes the two of us can stay friends so the person that she's having this
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conversation with is somebody that she met through John and became friends with and she's according to this person said
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either if or when we break up I hope that the two of us can still be friends so that would be a very different
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opinion I believe from what others saying that oh they look to be lydy and let me throw this out there anybody
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that's been in long-term relationships or even just just multiple short-term relationships I think would agree with
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this statement it's very easy for people that are not getting along to have the appearance of getting along or getting
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along and having a great time in the moment when there's a good time to be had right if you're at a concert if
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you're at a party if you're out drinking with friends you might look a little more together than you would when no one
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else is around and that's what the captain's pointing out so absolutely let's continue on here so
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John O'Keefe was at CF McCarthy's Bar in Canton he's drinking with some friends when Karen Reed joined the group the
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couple and the friends then decided to go to another bar so from my understanding Captain McCarthy's Bar was
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the kind of place that maybe they closed down a little earlier than some of the businesses they're
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pretty strict on closing time and it sounds like the group was still to continue hanging out and my
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understanding is that this waterfall Bar and Grill was just across the street like within walking distance
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so they just kind of all kind of make their way over from one bar to the next and then while they're at the waterfall
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around midnight and this is from the state police affidavit they decided that they were going to head to an Afterparty
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if you will that's yeah let's not stop the party let's keep going at the second bar the two of them with the other
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friends now we have several acquaintances including fellow police officer Brian Albert shortly after
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midnight or around midnight Albert invited a group of people the the whole group including the couple Karen Reed
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and John O'Keefe back to his home located on Fair viiew Road in Canon Karen Reed and John O'Keefe and Friends
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they're all invited to this after part party at 34 Fairview Road Karen Reed drives John
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O'Keefe to Fair viiew Road now there's been a lot of speculation a lot of talk about how much people were drinking at
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these two bars John from everything I've seen is reported that he was drinking beer for the majority of the evening
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yeah and that Karen was drinking a clear some some sources will say straight up say it's vodka she was drinking
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vodka they're basing this off of camera footage at the two establishments yeah and I also think uh
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the bar tab as well the bar tab but on top of that you I like I prefer the reporting that says she's seen consuming
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several clear drinks clear liquid drinks right well and John leaves the bar carrying a cocktail glass and he's seen
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and drive I'm I'm sending cheers to everybody I know and usually I'll say something like tall cans in the air but
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it doesn't doesn't seem very appropriate I am a hypocrite I'm idiot drink more Gatorade
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there make sure you hydrate remember you had the purple purple drink the purple drink well purple vodka uh with a vodka
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with purple Gatorade yeah regular vodka with the purple Gatorade that's that is a a party drink of mine especially when
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it's hot late summer you know late night summer that's that's a good one no and I
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understand people want to go from a bar back to a house and party I think there's a way to do it responsibly and
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they didn't and I think this also is why we have conflicting stories whether there's a cover up or
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not there's conflicting stories because people were intoxicated yeah yes that's going to add to it and you're going to
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have a differing of opinion and the opinions are certainly skewed by the consumption of alcohol I've heard it
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reported that Karen Reed consumed three likely vodka drinks at the first bar I've heard it reported that she consumed
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nine maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle I don't know I wasn't there that
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night but most of the reporting will say that it's believed that she consumed too
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much to be driving that evening right if she's driving and police officer John O'Keefe is not my assumption would be
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and I I come from a law enforcement family my assumption would be that John O'Keefe did not possess the ability to
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drive safely either or or at least enough that he let Karen Drive yeah or he thought if I get caught I might lose
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my job but that didn't stop him from having a traveler I mean he had a cocktail in his hand the whole time that
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they were driving to this party but that's neither here nor there so he has a cocktail with him they are driving out
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to this Fair View Road I have seen some reporting where it says that it's uncertain if they were invited now maybe
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that is part of the art what could have been an argument a closed door argument inside that vehicle on the way there but
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everybody else is saying no they were invited the couple was invited they were asked if they want to come in fact we
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gave them directions a lot of the reporting will say that again much debate on this detail here but saying
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that Karen Reed decided I'm just going to drop Jon off at the party because she was having not feeling well or having
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stomach issues the debate being that the two were arguing and she decided she didn't want to go anymore and he he
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wanted to go right my understanding here Captain is Jon's house from this Fair viiew Road location would be about 3
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miles so not that far away yeah it would be it would be believed that JN would have no
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trouble finding his way home after this gathering at this acquaintance's home I I I hesitate to say the word friend yeah
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or it's not that far to pick him up in the morning but either way he's supposed to go to this party we have a
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destination for our victim this is where we have the big fork in the road right because if John O'Keefe made it into the
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house there's no debate that Karen dropped him off the debate then becomes did he make it into the house because if
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he made it into that home she she couldn't have been responsible for his death well with cell
00:35:42
phone technology and with eyewitnesses at the party they did see Karen there to drop him off there's debate on whether
00:35:52
they saw John o'keith and there's also a lot of debate on if he made made it into
00:35:58
the house yeah the ones that say that Karen is not guilty say that JN absolutely made it into the house the
00:36:05
persons that say that she is guilty say that JN did not do want to point something out though what's so
00:36:11
fascinating to me as far as the True Crime World Spectrum if you will think of a case that you first heard DNA OJ
00:36:21
Simpson Tri at least for me it was a big deal on that case and then you look at that ad Sayed case what was a big deal
00:36:29
on that case cell phone ping technology this case is the case that we're going to hear so much about cell phone data
00:36:38
information I think this is going to change the way a lot of people try to prosecute cases and how they try to
00:36:46
defend cases because based off the data on j o Keith's phone after the time Karen dropped him off his phone recorded
00:36:57
him going up three different flights of steps Karen's data information says that
00:37:03
she didn't do that she drove home went to sleep that's what the cell phone data information tells us and some have some
00:37:12
have stated that it could be a I don't the glitch is not a right word not the right word but some are saying
00:37:21
that because it's a hilly area this neighborhood is is hilly that uh it could have recorded him going up and
00:37:29
down steps or a flight of stairs because of the way that the vehicle was traveling on the road to the house and
00:37:38
also we don't know how a cell phone is going to react to blunt force trauma and the death of an individual
00:37:46
and again what is not in dispute is Karen dropped him off there that night and like the captain said there are
00:37:56
people that spotted her vehicle there that was a black Lexus SUV fancy so what's not in dispute is
00:38:05
that she dropped him off what is Up For Debate is did he make it into the house because as I just said had if he did
00:38:11
make it into the house Karen cannot be responsible for what happened to John now a snowstorm hit Canton in the early
00:38:19
morning of January 29th and that's going to be key here too Karen Reed reported that when she woke up the next day
00:38:28
she discovers John O'Keefe had not returned home so I have in my notes Here captain that around I don't know why I
00:38:36
put a around because it's pretty precise 4:53 a.m. Karen Reed who spent most nights at John O'Keefe's Canton home
00:38:45
called and text him and when he failed to respond she became worried yeah she she also text him on the way back just
00:38:54
to you know basically let me know how everything's going you know because he he was in
00:39:02
Karen's account he was waiting at that door for a time period so she wanted to make sure did you get into the house and
00:39:09
when she was texting him during that time before she went to sleep he wasn't responsive she wakes up he's not being
00:39:16
responsive and there's other cell phone information that we can get into as we go or or maybe we'll save space for it
00:39:24
designated spot for it here in the telling of the story so after John does not respond to calls and text what we do
00:39:33
know happened is Karen Reed contacted someone who's listed as an acquaintance Jennifer
00:39:42
McCabe and this is interesting to me because what I one thing we've not seen yet at the trial captain and this very
00:39:50
likely will happen I'm really curious how this is going to play out but there's one 100 witnesses that
00:39:59
will be called at some point during this trial now that doesn't mean people that
00:40:03
were there that night people that hung out with them that night it could be we're talking about the medical examiner
00:40:08
we'll be called at some point we'll have experts paid experts for both sides of the
00:40:17
table and so on but one of the people that I believe will be called will be the niece John's niece because the way
00:40:25
that it's reported is that Karen wakes up and she does she she's simply an acquaintance of this Jennifer mob and so
00:40:35
she doesn't know how to get a hold of Jennifer she ask her niece who knows Jennifer's
00:40:44
daughter if she can get in contact with her mom yeah and the way that The Story Goes or is being told is that Karen woke
00:40:54
up on the couch at John's house spoke with John niece and then was able to get in contact with Jennifer through John's
00:41:02
niece Jennifer agrees to join Karen with another woman and This Woman's name is Carrie Roberts the three
00:41:12
are going to go out and look for John so the three women returned to Fair viiew Road in Carrie Robert's
00:41:21
vehicle where they saw O'Keefe lying unresponsive in the snow there are as one would imagine we got three women in
00:41:31
a car together and I the way that I it hits my ears Captain is it sounds like three different tellings of the same
00:41:39
story right like it it it's three different versions slight all kind of slightly different from one another
00:41:45
there there are some details that match up some that do not well you're seeing a
00:41:49
dead guy in the road what what do you expect you're not going to get great eyewitness testimony here right cuz this
00:41:56
is a TR tragic event whether they knew he was out there or not this is a tragic event there's a lot of moving pieces
00:42:04
here again I just don't think you're going to get a solid story out of all three of them okay so let's go through a
00:42:10
little bit of this one piece at a time Karen Reed exits the vehicle she as we already said
00:42:19
she runs over to John attempts to perform or does perform CPR on him Jennifer calls 911 one this is at
00:42:27
approximately 6:04 a.m. and now we have Canton police fire and EMS responding to the scene a short
00:42:36
time later O'Keefe was transported to Good Samaritan Hospital where he was pronounced dead a medical examiner later
00:42:43
reported that O'Keefe had abrasions to his right arm several lacerations to his face two black eyes a skull fracture
00:42:51
which would con which would have contributed to brain bleeding they determined that
00:42:58
hypothermia was a contributing factor to O'Keefe's death I want to say this yeah
00:43:05
there's been a lot of people reporting on this and I'm not going to single anybody out because as said this is a
00:43:10
difficult story and sometimes we're stupid too but I've seen this reported a whole bunch of
00:43:20
different ways right like we went through a fairly descriptive reporting of what the
00:43:27
medical examiner said there's been people that have given a very shorten version of that there's been some
00:43:34
reputable news outlets that report that he died from hypothermia which not true it looks to me based off of the more
00:43:43
detailed accounts that hypothermia was a contributing factor to O'Keefe's death everything I've seen from the credible
00:43:52
sources have been he died of blunt force trauma and again I guess I'm going to be
00:43:59
talking [ __ ] get ready put your boots on because when an officer is dead because of blunt force
00:44:09
trauma outside a police officer's house you better do a thorough investigation you better cross your tees and Dot your
00:44:17
eyes the prosecution alleged that Karen Reed dropped off John made a three-point turn
00:44:24
to reverse Direction and in the process ran Amed into J O'Keefe or ran him over and then drove away defense and Karen
00:44:32
Reed theorized that J O'Keefe was beaten inside attacked and beaten inside the home and his body was then left
00:44:42
outside yes and he passes away however there are 11 witness statements that say John O'Keefe never entered the home
00:44:54
let's discuss the scene a little bit here at some point and I'm I'm choosing to use that phrase at some point because
00:45:01
there's varying descriptions in telling of when this occurs but at some point a broken rear tail light is discovered on
00:45:12
Karen Reed's black Lexus SUV right in some tellings she discovered it and points it
00:45:20
out to other people and other tellings other persons discovered it and again the time frame on when this was
00:45:28
discovered we do know that it was broken what we don't know what we don't have I
00:45:34
don't have a clear understanding of because there's been too many different people too many cooks in the kitchen as
00:45:39
they say captain with an opinion on when this tail light was broken because the state is going to allege the prosecution
00:45:47
is going to allege that the tail light was broken when she hit John O'Keefe there are others that will say it was
00:45:56
broken at another time maybe another accident where she bumped a vehicle in Jon's driveway that had nothing to do
00:46:04
with Jon's passing and then there's others that say no maybe it was broken on purpose by
00:46:11
somebody else to make it look like like she hit John yeah Karen hit Jon to to be
00:46:17
kind of the icing on the cake to seal the deal on that story on that narrative yeah just real quick too many cooks in
00:46:23
the kitchen to me seems like a good time I think we should should use the phrase
00:46:28
too many Cowboys on a donkey or too many fat kids on a tricycle one of the persons that we talked about Karen
00:46:36
Roberts told police quote she believed Karen was still intoxicated in the morning this is when they're out
00:46:42
searching for John and said that Karen Reed had told her quote she did not remember last night so that's going to
00:46:50
be a very different version than Karen Reed saying no I I saw John get out of the car and
00:46:59
he walked up toward the house this person saying Karen expressed to her I don't remember last night have you ever
00:47:06
had a friend that has blackouts because I've never experienced one myself or that that I guess I could
00:47:13
remember but I used to have a roommate that would go drinking and let's say we went to 10 bars well he'd wake up the
00:47:21
next day and go hey uh what did we do last night well what point do you you stop remembering well I remember we went
00:47:29
to this bar and then you have to tell the guy we went to nine bars after that and the person was walking around having
00:47:37
a good time was very Smiley if if there's no way if you asked me was he black blackout drunk at that point I
00:47:46
would have said absolutely not he seemed like he was having a great time so it is
00:47:52
possible that maybe if she had nine big vodka that she doesn't remember everything
00:48:00
exactly the way she is remembering it that's that's where I was going to go too that if if she did in fact consume
00:48:08
nine vodka drinks at that first bar then I I would be of the belief that it's it
00:48:15
stands to reason that she may not remember portions of the night yeah the other thing too with drinking there
00:48:23
there's a lot of complicated things about drinking and managing one's drinking and and I don't want to sound
00:48:30
like an alcoholic managing one's drinking but what I mean by that is well you are what you are look I go out I
00:48:38
like to go out a lot and I will tell you and I know that many people back me up on this the drinks are are the strength
00:48:46
of a drink varies depending on where you go and some places they get they're a little heavy-handed and give you a big
00:48:53
pore and other places they are uh tight with the purse straps and and they they want to charge you for an expensive
00:49:01
drink but only put a little alcohol in that drink so but also depends sometimes on the sex of the client oh a pretty
00:49:11
lady comes up and wants to drink well we make it a little little more boozy for her well body type too it it plays a big
00:49:19
factor in it but again yeah and Karen's very small from being a former bartender
00:49:24
drinks or po differently at different establishment seasoned Veterans of drinking fail to
00:49:30
recognize this the drinks always hit you later right you can consume them now they're going to hit and affect you
00:49:38
later they'll catch up to you she may have felt one way when she left the bar and felt a completely different way at
00:49:46
some point during that drive over to the house let's fur let's go further along on some of Carrie Roberts statements so
00:49:55
again from the affidavit she says that Karen Reed allegedly told her I wonder if he's dead it's snowing
00:50:04
he got hit by a plow now mind you she's saying this is while we were out we we we're venturing out to look for him
00:50:11
we've not located him yet and she's saying that Karen Reed is already talking about JN potentially being dead
00:50:18
or what could have happened to him the three women drove to Fairview Road this is like white out conditions yeah
00:50:27
this is a powerful snowstorm you can tell by the surveillance footage of Jon o'keith leaving the bar you can't make
00:50:35
out what the vehicles are because they're completely covered in snow and the snow didn't stop once he got to that
00:50:41
party at some point the three women spot John O'Keefe in the snow now again we have Jennifer who will say it's her
00:50:53
opinion today that she believes that Karen already knew where they would find J and
00:51:00
that she believes Karen was directing them to John and that Karen spotted Jon before the other two women
00:51:11
did and jumped out of the vehicle that again that's Jennifer's opinion of the story JN has cuts on his face and arms
00:51:20
when they find him he's got blackened eyes some Reports say the blackened eyes were swollen shut there 's Blood Stained
00:51:27
snow a broken cocktail glass was discovered near O'Keefe's body with some person's alleging that at the scene
00:51:36
Karen Reed said I hit him I hit him I hit him I hit him all right this port this has been a big big big part of the
00:51:46
trial and to be perfectly clear from the testimony that has taken place so far there are persons that say they did not
00:51:53
hear her say that and there are other persons that have very ing accounts descriptions of what she said accounts
00:52:00
of what she said some saying I hit him some saying that she repeated it she was hysterical we do have some of the First
00:52:07
Responders saying that she has said some suicidal type statements made suicidal type statements that they
00:52:17
put her in I believe it was it's called a section 12 it it varies depending on jurisdiction but I believe that's what
00:52:23
it's called in this location but other people said that she wasn't saying I hit him I hit him she was asking it like a
00:52:31
question did I hit him did I hit him and she yes and that's what Karen is saying
00:52:36
in her defense she says that yes I said I hit him but that's the sentence started with a did I hit him yeah and if
00:52:44
you could see my my sentence on on paper it would have ended with a question mark
00:52:49
and that would make some sense if she if she accidentally hit him or if she has no idea what happened to him you were
00:52:58
there on the scene with First Responders who unfortunately have seen things like
00:53:03
this before or are at least expected to get to the bottom of things and it would
00:53:09
not be out of question for someone who does not know what happened to go did I hit him because if she was sitting there
00:53:15
yelling I hit him I hit him then you lock her up right then in there and they didn't do that so I think it's pretty
00:53:25
clear that she was saying or I think it was pretty clear that she's asking the question did I hit him because if she's
00:53:33
sitting there screaming I hit him I hit him I hit him why wouldn't they put her in handcuffs right then and there and
00:53:40
well and I didn't put this in my notes the what it's believ that she said as far as the suicidal remarks go but I
00:53:50
believe it was something like she says well I could just die or I should just die or something of that nature now not
00:53:56
Suicidal Thoughts well again I don't know I don't know that that's what is reported I'm just I'm going off of
00:54:04
memory here but let's point out here there have been many there I at least four First
00:54:13
Responders that not involved in this situation right these are just people that are offering up their opinions but
00:54:20
at least four First Responders that I have heard and two that I spoke to directly that said look if you find a
00:54:30
loved one if you're if you're showing up at a scene and you find someone that you love
00:54:36
and truly care about and they're they've just they're they have died yeah it's it's not uncharacteristic of the person
00:54:46
that found them to a be in shock B be hysterical and see say things that they may or may not mean that you you could
00:54:54
lose touch with reality and all of those First Responders have said and the two that I spoke to said the same thing so I
00:55:02
think I think we got to treat this as gospel here Captain when when that many people say the same thing they Al they
00:55:08
all said if she said suicidal remarks or not that is not an indicator of guilt or
00:55:15
an indicator of innocence in their opinion that they they've lived through experiences like this and unfortunately
00:55:23
that just kind of comes with the territory absolutely what we do know though Captain is Karen Reed was arrested and
00:55:30
then released on $50,000 cash bail the Fair viiew Avenue is a residential street lined
00:55:40
with single family homes on sizable Lots the Avenue is mostly quiet the home where John was found is a large gray
00:55:50
Colonial set back from the roadway and as we have already talked about a little bit John's death came as
00:56:00
Massachusetts was hit with a powerful nor Easter a storm that dropped a reported 20 in of snow in Canton and
00:56:08
drove temperatures as low as 12° police say they found a broken cocktail glass and pieces of a tail
00:56:16
light at the scene a forensic toxicologist estimated that Karen Reed's blood alcohol content BAC
00:56:27
would have been around .13 to. 29 around 1245 am so this it's believed that that
00:56:38
if if she did strike John with her vehicle that it happen sometime around 12:45 12:30 somewhere in that time frame
00:56:49
and that they're Bas they they're basing this off of information that they get on
00:56:56
the 29th right at a later time she takes a test a blood test based off of the results of that test later that day
00:57:05
they're saying okay well at the time of when this may have occurred yeah her blood alcohol level
00:57:13
would have been 0.13 to possibly as high as. 29 so just to give a little bit of cross reference check here in
00:57:22
Massachusetts it is illegal to operate a motor vehicle with the blood alcohol content of
00:57:29
08 or greater so she's she's wasted according to a Google search which I don't like this because we've already
00:57:37
kind of we've we've already danced on this a lot alcohol affects different people differently and drinks can be
00:57:44
prepared differently um but a quick Google search would tell us that Google believes that four standard drinks would
00:57:53
put you at 08 now what what is not included in that statement would be how quickly one consumed them or how long it
00:58:03
took for one to consume them well like we said she's a petite female she she isn't that tall and she isn't that big
00:58:13
she's she's a tiny person so that could affect her more so than somebody bigger but you
00:58:21
know I'm a I'm a cheap date get get a couple on me I'm feeling good well and we're talking about a night out this is
00:58:28
not a whole day of events right this is a night out now on January 31st an autopsy was completed on John
00:58:38
prosecutors said that the medical examiner ruled the cause of death was blunt impact injuries to the head and
00:58:46
hypothermia being a contributing factor to his death they say that the medical examiner did not find quote any obvious
00:58:54
signs of an altercation or a fight what we should we we really need to hit this home because this is a case that I've
00:59:02
heard so much talk and speculation about this autopsy yet none of those people have
00:59:08
seen the autopsy it's been sealed and while some people say that's the state's way of trying to cover this up or you
00:59:18
know that that just fuels the coverup talk or the conspiracy talk but the reason why we have so much information
00:59:26
about this autopsy even though that it's been kept from the public is it's been openly discussed in newspapers and news
00:59:35
outlets but on top of that there's been some Court hearings since January of 20122 leading up to the trial that we're
00:59:45
at today and there's been there's been the defense team and the prosecution referencing this autopsy frequently at
00:59:53
some of those C Court hearings also showing pictures of injuries to John this will lead us to
00:59:59
February 2nd when Reed appears in a district court this for the first time she pleads not guilty the charge in
01:00:09
February of 2022 that she was facing she plad not guilty to manslaughter motor vehicle homicide and leaving the sign
01:00:17
leaving the scene of a motor vehicle collision causing a death so note that when she goes back to court this will be
01:00:26
in June of the same year we have a Norfolk County grand jury that indicts Karen Reed on charges of second degree
01:00:34
murder manslaughter while operating under the influence of alcohol and leaving the scene of a personal injury
01:00:40
and death so those charges are upped right from her pleading not guilty to manslaughter to now she's facing charges
01:00:49
of second deegree murder and it sounds to me this case was made in front of the grand jury who then agreed that that was
01:00:59
the more appropriate charge was second deegree murder question for you do you find that strange because to me it seems
01:01:08
like they were going to give her look slap on the wrist right she's going to do a little bit of time she'll be on
01:01:17
probation uh plead guilty but once she says well I'm not going to plead guilty then it's almost like they up the
01:01:24
charges to make it more severe to try to get her to plead guilty and then I think
01:01:31
that goes to people that argue that there's some kind of conspiracy here because it seemed like they just wanted
01:01:38
this case to go away and when she wasn't going to cooperate with law enforcement
01:01:43
and the prosecution that they they try to make it go away by taking the charges and
01:01:49
upping the charges yeah so that again that's the that's the problem with the the telling of the story we we do not
01:01:57
know obviously exactly what has happened especially behind closed doors and so this
01:02:04
case is fueled by what persons believe as a collective so you have persons out there that believe that she's innocent
01:02:14
and this is conspiracy and some kind of cover up a frame job and those persons that camp would tell you well this is
01:02:22
more proof right everything's more proof that it's uh conspiracy or coverup for those that share that opinion and and
01:02:31
they're stating here look manslaughter vehicular manslaughter as I understand it I don't live in
01:02:38
Massachusetts I've been there several times I would love to go back but I've never lived there as I understand it
01:02:44
Captain carries a mandatory sentence of five years in prison so at the least she's going to
01:02:51
get five years in prison for a manslaughter charge plus you know you're going to get probate and probably lose
01:02:57
your license for a very long time second degree murder carries a potential life sentence I don't think it's mandatory
01:03:09
potential life sentence and we do know that the early I believe you can get probation or paroled after 15 years one
01:03:19
five years so that is you're right that's a big jump between the two charges now now the people that say that
01:03:26
this is a frame job will say look what they were hoping is you charge her with something like
01:03:34
manslaughter mandatory five years if she pleased guilty maybe she works a deal and gets two or three years and she
01:03:42
takes the fall and this all goes away and it's JN was killed we cover it up and then she's not this poor woman her life
01:03:53
is turned upside down but but she's not locked away and throw away the key situation they'll say they up the
01:04:00
charges because she didn't play along she pled not guilty she was going to she was going to put up a fight and
01:04:09
say no I didn't do this the other thing here too it's really tough to dissect what happens at a grand jury hearing
01:04:18
because they're very they're very secretive they're not allowed to discuss a lot of the details a lot of times
01:04:23
we're not even allowed to know who testified who was involved in in giving statements to the grand jury so my
01:04:31
question to a legal expert from the state the great state of Massachusetts would be how does it work there is this
01:04:38
a recommendation by the prosecution to the grand jury or can the grand jury say oh based off what we
01:04:46
heard we think you should up the charges because one part in in this is that in the state of
01:04:53
Massachusetts second degree murder as far as the definition goes includes the statement gross negligence or gross
01:05:02
recklessness and don't quote me on that it's it's one of the two I don't have the information right in front of me but
01:05:08
what that means in its simplest form is to to arrive at the idea of second-degree
01:05:15
murder may not mean that she intended to run him over and kill him it may simply
01:05:21
mean that she was behaving so dangerously so recklessly for such a long period of
01:05:29
time that she she was conducting gross recklessness that it was dangerous for her to drive it was dangerous to
01:05:38
everybody else that she was driving and not only did she do this but she did it over a period of time and it
01:05:45
was excessive that it was excessive so you can look into this any way that you want
01:05:52
right it could be suggestive that she was aware that she ran over over and chose to leave it could also mean that
01:05:58
she decided to run him over and then left but it Al also could mean that this is an
01:06:06
exaggerated excessive recklessness that she was committing and it resulted in the death of somebody else to the new
01:06:15
charges Captain what we do know is she did plead not guilty as well this is in a Norfolk Superior Court in
01:06:22
Dam and she was ordered held on 100 ,000 bail she made bail she was released and
01:06:29
been out since uh that was in June of 2022 Karen Reed's defense claims that she was framed this is from May 3rd of
01:06:40
2023 defense attorneys Allan Jackson and David Yeti alleged that John O'Keefe was
01:06:46
involved in a fight inside of Brian Albert's home they claim John O'Keefe was beaten and his body was later dumped
01:06:53
outside Jackson and Yanti fol focused on wounds to O'Keefe's arms which they said
01:06:59
showed he was attacked by Albert's dog during the fight then on May 24th 2023 during a pre-trial hearing Karen Reed's
01:07:10
attorneys laid out what they alleged to be a coverup by law enforcement saying quote certainly the Massachusetts State
01:07:17
Police is involved there are people that were in that house that are involved this is coming from attorney Allan
01:07:23
Jackson quote Brian Albert is involved Jennifer McCabe is involved the rest of the folks that were in that house there
01:07:32
is some level of involvement by every one of them every single one of them we're not going to rest until we get to
01:07:39
the bottom of exactly who's behind this cover up not only Karen Reed deserves this John O'Keefe deserves this and has
01:07:47
deserved this from moment one and that's why they're not going to rest the attorney Allan Jackson goes on to say I
01:07:56
don't think I've ever seen sort of a more obvious and more troubling set of circumstances that
01:08:03
suggest a conflict of interest or a series of conflicts of interest Allan Jackson is a high profile
01:08:12
attorney from California he became famous or well known because he represented Kevin spacy
01:08:20
that at that trial Kevin spacy was found not guilty what he is alleging here in that statement that I just read is that
01:08:32
the lead State Police investigator on the O'Keefe case has close personal ties to a number
01:08:40
of the people that were at that party where the Fatal incident happened following a dramatic hearing court
01:08:48
hearing Caren Reed spoke to reporters for the first time again this is in 2023 where she says quote we know who
01:08:57
did it we know and we know who spearheaded this cover up you all know she standing on the courthouse steps and
01:09:04
saying quote I tried to save his life I tried to save his life at 6:00 in the morning I was covered in his blood I was
01:09:11
the only one trying to save his life end quote want to thank everybody for joining us
01:09:28
here in the garage polarizing case so much more to get to stick around till part two until then be good be kind and
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don't litter [Music] [Applause]