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round grab a chair grab some eggnog let's talk some true crime [Music] I want to start off by going through
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some things that took place in the Elisa Sherman case this year in 2017. so when
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this year rolled in just under four years after the murder of 53 year old Elisa Sherman the case remained unsolved
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despite investigators best efforts and billboards Seeking Justice for Elisa and a circle of family and friends who kept
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her memory alive in the case alive Elisa Sherman's daughter Jennifer she has led marches vigils and benefits in
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her mother's name and worked to become an advocate for women who face domestic abuse and filed a civil suit against her
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father yeah nothing causes more tension than family suing family and when we left off with episode three we were
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talking about Gregory Moore Gregory Moore was Elisa's attorney who had been charged with inducing panic as far as
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calling in three different bomb threats right and as well as he has been indicted on charges that may pertain to
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elise's cases remember the investigator stated that this guy he's got some questions to answer and hopefully that
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stuff will come out in court the investigators are wondering why Gregory Moore would not talk with them if he
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didn't have anything to hide why would he not speak with them right but they also caught him in a couple lies yes so
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Gregory Moore he originally faced up to three years in prison for all of these charges but after what I'm sure was some
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kind of deal that was struck because he originally faced a lot more charges than this Moore ended up
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pleading guilty to felony inducing panic and misdemeanor falsification charges for the phony statements given to the
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police a Cuyahoga County Judge imposed the sentence this was of 180 days and the sentence also included three years
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of Probation and 350 hours of community service once more was released from the Cuyahoga County Jail
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so Gregory Moore was to report to jail on June 1st of this year and serve 90 days of his 180 days in prison so
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they're going to split in half let him serve the first part and then the second part well after that the judge ordered
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him to spend one full week in jail in each of the following 12 months okay and while he would be out he would be
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monitored by GPS uh when he's not in jail why does he get why they give him special privileges this serve your 180
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days and be done with it the judge told more during the court proceedings you've
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taken everything in an attorney stands for and turned it upside down I agree 100 with that I don't fully
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agree with the with the sentence here the sentence almost to me makes as little sense as the bomb threats that he
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called in right okay so it sounds to me with that statement that the judge would like to
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hold more to some kind of I mean how do you how do you make that statement and not hold him to a higher
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standard because he's basically a clerk of the court almost I mean he's an attorney he's taken an oath with the
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state of Ohio and the some of the charges actually all of the charges that he's involved in
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are some form of obstruction of justice right calling in the bomb threats to delay Court proceedings lying to your
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client lying to the police well not to mention the wasted taxpayer money for you know
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having to move the court dates to close down those courts yeah and I think the thing here is I
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think this more guy got off easy I mean he really he kind of begged and pleaded with the court saying you know I'm a
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family man now I'm married I have a one-year-old I don't know if he has a son or daughter but he has a
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one-year-old child and to me I don't understand this I think you either throw the book at him
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or I it just makes no sense to me and the thing is why not just like you said either serve just make him serve the
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sentence and be done with it right right instead of this hey you can come back one week out of every month of the
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following year and serve serve one week and then we're gonna let you out and then you come back
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for another week weird right but weird stuff right but we have a lawyer that uh works for you know
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a pretty successful uh Law Firm they do big you know probably multi-multi-million dollar divorces
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and he's white so that's why they gave him a break hey you served 90 days and then we'll break
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it up a week each month well I don't know that I want to get into the head of the judge and say that's why he was
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leaning on him I mean the guy lost his license to practice law in the state of Ohio or he should have right well
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exactly well so that therefore he's upon the sentencing he's no longer an attorney with anyone now Gregory Moore
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ignored questions from reporters as he entered and exited the courtroom during those proceedings he apologized to his
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family and said he regrets daily his actions that have affected people that are here with us today and people that
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are not Gregory Moore never mentioned Elisa Sherman by name or he never apologized to her family either right
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because the guy's a piece of [ __ ] so I mean he's a liar and he's not going to take responsibility for any involvement
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he had in her death now regarding the uh and I don't know that this is what it was in fact called
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because I think her name has a hyphen in it now but regarding the Sherman versus
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Sherman lawsuit where Jennifer argued funds belonged to Eliza's estate since she was the sole proprietor of the
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account and had this issue been resolved in court it may have belonged to Eliza upon the divorce right Sanford contended
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that the funds were considered marital assets used for supporting the family and therefore never belongs solely to
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Eliza four months after Jennifer filed the suit against Samford her older brother
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Josh filed a motion to remove her as co-executor of elise's estate in the motion he alleged his sister had a
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separate agenda she viewed Samford as a person of interest in the death of their mother and therefore could not act
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on behalf of Eliza's estate without bias right which makes some sense but you got a family that's already gone
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through a bunch you know before the murder took place and now you have this murder and now you
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have a a house even more divided because it seems to me that she believes that her father was
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responsible in some way and it seems like her brothers do not uh share that same feeling
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well Josh eventually dropped his claim in um he eventually dropped this claim after
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the lawsuit was filed okay then in December of 2017 so just this month all sides agreed to settle the civil suit so
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Samford Sherman agreed to pay 110 000 to Elisa's estate with the stipulation that Jennifer would forever
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release and discharge him from any claims they might make in the future Jennifer agreed to samford's stipulation
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with one addendum if in the future he is convicted of any criminal offense related to her mother's
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death she reserves the right to renew her fight and make further claims against him
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okay this is it pretty interesting though bits unpacked though I mean so he's given her a very very small percent
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of what really she's fighting for but he is saying hey um and this agreement works and she's
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saying well the only way it doesn't work is if we can convict you of this crime right right if he's ever facing any type
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of criminal charges regarding her case you know he doesn't necessarily have to be convicted of murder or anything like
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that we're talking about Gregory Moore just lying to Elisa and lying to police is convicted of a criminal charge uh
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regarding elise's case so right so if he you know if her father lied to law enforcement then that's
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enough for her to reopen up her case yeah or lied in any of the depositions that he gave in the lawsuit case in
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regards to discussing information between him and his wife and dealings between him and his uh now deceased wife
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yeah this just seems like a case that has so many twists and turns that you can't even make up I mean you're gonna
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write this well I don't know that I agree with the twists and turns and the reason why there's twists and turns is
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because the way that they come out in the way that they're eventually presented to the public when you really
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nail this story down there were not a lot of twists and turns along the way and what I mean by that are there are
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two things one a lot of the things that were going on between Eliza and her husband came out during the lawsuit that
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came out well after she was killed okay these were all things that both of them knew that they were dealing with both of
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them knew that they were going on and happenings that were taking place for the most part that Elisa knew about and
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for the most part that that Samford knew about right this just didn't come out to
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the public until after she was murdered these are things that would have very likely have come out during the divorce
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proceedings the other thing is these bomb threats technically he made all three of those
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bomb threats during the course of working her case well before it ever went to trial in 2013. he he did that
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last Bob that threat Gregory Moore did in July of 2012. this thing was not going to go to trial until March of 2013
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March 25th or 26th right so that was old news now the thing that is the twist and turn that comes out in
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this is that the attorney is not where he said he would be on that day that's the Twist
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and that's the turn for me that's the big one it seems like Samford was um cooperating with police in the
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beginning it seems like Gregory Moore was cooperating with police in the beginning
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I think that a lot of the reasoning why Samford probably stopped cooperating with police was at some
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point he was facing a lawsuit he has a whole other case to deal with yeah and probably you know his attorneys probably
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advised him too damn it right well yeah yeah they would advise him to say let's focus on this
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lawsuit we can deal with the police once this stuff is over with and furthermore as far as Gregory Moore
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goes that that's that's the Twist and Turn he agreed with the he he agreed to cooperate with police in the beginning
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why that was just to make him look like he was doing what he said he was doing it wasn't until he was presented with
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evidence that he was not in fact doing what he was saying he was doing that that he decided hey he clammed up and
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said nope not talking anymore well he seems like such a chronic liar and you know I'm going to lie about these bomb
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you know calling these bomb threats to get out of my job get out of my responsibilities I'll talk to the police
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I'm not going to give them correct information I can lie my way out of this but they caught him in the LIE where
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this leaves us is this Gregory Moore denies having anything to do with elise's murder and he is technically not
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considered a suspect Sanford Sherman denies having anything to do with elise's murder as well and again not
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technically considered a suspect police won't say they will not say whether the divorce attorney and Elisa's husband
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have any ties together so who is the person in the hooded jacket caught on surveillance video cops
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could never identify who that was my thoughts samford's friend describes the murder to a T with that perfect
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murder plot described to him from his friend Samford was at home and I put a question
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mark by that Jennifer and Jeremy's statements state that Samford was at home at 7 45 pm
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the body type is not the same as the person seen in the video so Sanford is his body type yeah correct
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could Samford have hired someone to kill his wife and potentially save him two million dollars or who knows how much
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more money yes it's very possible um but when I sit here when I try to look at these two suspects and wonder who was
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involved in this case and who was not I often wonder would Samford have even known where Elisa would have been
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when she was killed three people lived in the Samford house that day and Jeremy did not know where
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Elisa was going that day and how about this perfect murder situation okay so the perfect murder is
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not just getting away with murder not just setting things up and putting them into place so that you can kill
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someone and the police never be able to tie it to you or have enough evidence to
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put you away no in my opinion the perfect murder is killing someone getting away with it and then getting
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someone else to take the fall that way you don't have the Shadow on you for the rest of your days
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I think it's possible that maybe what Gregory Moore went for or may have gotten away with of course no one took
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the fall but maybe he thought there was enough of a history with Eliza and her husband that the police and the general
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public would never look beyond that right because like always the number one suspect is the you know normally the
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husband and like we said earlier Moore was originally scheduled to meet with Elisa on Saturday the day before she was
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killed I stated that I'm uncertain if that meeting actually occurred but one thing
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we do know is he Gregory Moore was the one that scheduled the meeting for Sunday the day she was killed now he was
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pushing the meeting back that day according to these text messages it's possible they met on Saturday and then
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he asked for additional time with her on Sunday or pushed Saturday's meeting to Sunday right right and either way I mean
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I don't think that really matters I mean because if he I don't think you're saying that he
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would actually do the crime himself is that what you're saying about Gregory well I'll take you through this
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because what I want to point out here is regardless he scheduled the meeting he pushed the time back on Sunday he told
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Elisa he was in his office when he clearly was not he told the police the same the police have some evidence pointing
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them to the fact that Moore was in his office until an hour before and then back in his office an hour after the
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murder so for roughly a 60-minute window he is gone from his office during the time
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that he told Elisa and the police that he was in his office and then she is killed out front during that same time
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frame and while I think Samford would be someone that you should possibly look at as someone that would
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hire a hit on his wife the Gregory Moore guy strikes me as more of a DM wire a do murder yourself kind
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of guy he called in those bomb threats himself dumb enough to use his own cell phone
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then he uses his cell to communicate with Elisa minutes before her death lying about where he was
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and here's the thing if he We're The Hitman hiring type well then why not just be in
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your office that's a great Alibi I was in my office for a for our scheduled meeting right I went downstairs to
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unlock the door to let her in and then I heard her screams I rushed outside I found her bleeding badly on the sidewalk
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I comforted her and I called 9-1-1 the perfect Alibi if he were to hire someone more is not that smart then we have the
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scenario and I know a lot of people are thinking this because they just can't let go of the husband did it Theory the
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thought is well maybe the husband hired the the attorney to kill Eliza or hired the attorney to find someone to kill
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Eliza the problem I have with that Samford is not that dumb that my friends is the plan of a [ __ ]
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right I'll call or talk to my wife's divorce divorce attorney and ask him to assist me in her murder okay here's your
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case on a silver platter and oh and not only will you have a successful case for the divorce where my
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wife gets all of the money and everything we own I'll have to go to prison as well
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Sanford is a retired very successful doctor that's not him that's not the plan that
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this guy makes then the question for more becomes being a prime suspect is motive what
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could be his motive his motive may have just be as dumb as this that he was unprepared for court and he killed her
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right well that's a stretch a lot of people would say I don't think so he called in
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three bomb threats on three separate occasions to government buildings let me throw this scenario at you
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it that's a felony my friends and and had someone picture this he calls in this box right now that's a felony had
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someone an elderly man or woman had a heart attack when they started evacuating the building that day well Mr
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lawyer boy would have been charged with the death of that individual during during the course of committing a felony
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the other thing here with Gregory Moore and this is not very scientific but there is something severely off about
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this guy I've stared at his picture and I've looked at a lot of bad people's photos and he gives me that same very
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bad feeling that I cannot put my finger on it bad feeling that I get when I see a bad person I just feel that he is the
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evil coward that they are looking for I think Jennifer and the Sherman family should file some type of wrongful death
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suit against him heck you were awarded some of that money from the lawsuit that would be a really
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good use for it and I think there are things in investigatively that will be that could be done that you
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may not be able to do in criminal proceedings through the local law enforcement that may bring something to
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light where you can see charges brought against this weasel Gregory Moore [Music]
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all right cheers mates happy holidays cheers happy holidays so I guess my question for you is looking at this
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footage and it's roughly about a minute long footage they have of the surveillance tape and if you want to go
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check that out it's right on the home page of True Crime garage.com uh also there's clips of that on our Instagram
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at True Crime garage now looking at this we can pull up and watch the videotape but we do have at
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least images of Gregory Moore and we do have images of the husband right Sanford Sherman so my question to
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you and and listeners as well so does any of these to either of these two individuals fit
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what we're seeing on the surveillance camera I I definitely Sanford does not fit what
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I see on the surveillance camera I cannot rule out Gregory Moore I don't think that uh the surveillance
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camera provides enough detail as far as height and weight for me to rule him out
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his body type is not um totally off in my opinion he seems a little thicker than the individual and
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the footage to me possibly if but but the thing that I try to remind myself is when we look at this
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what assumptions are we making about the coat or the jacket or the hoodie that's
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being worn in the surveillance are we are we looking at this thing and going well this is adding padding and it's
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adding weight and it's adding size to this person there's a chance it's not adding much to
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this person at all I I just okay and here's another problem that I go back to regarding this surveillance
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footage and I and I kind of forgot to bring this up the other day when we were discussing it
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where does this person come from yeah yeah I don't have any cameras that freaking bothers me like you wouldn't
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believe and I'll tell you what there has to be footage uh more footage than this well I guarantee you that
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rumor that was going around that there's actual camera footage of the murder I believe that that's the case and of
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course they're not going to release that it doesn't help anybody in the public to
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see that no but they can do certain things to figure out what the size of the individual is but not only height
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but width right and I think that would be a big help right right but the other thing again I'm going back to where did
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this person come from and I think that could help the investigation in some form because
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look we're we're shown footage of this person obviously fleeing the scene they're going this person's either
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running to a building going to run to hiding somewhere or run to a vehicle right where did this person come from
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this person I'm guessing this person did not come from the same same direction there are cameras all over this section
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of downtown Cleveland there is very likely footage of this individual arriving to the crime scene and then
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attacking her and then fleeing I just I can't figure out where this person came from and that's the other that's the
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problem I have with the attorney I look he put her there at that exact time he delayed her leaving there at that exact
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time he left his office roughly an hour before in an hour afterwards I think I said a 60 Minute window that's incorrect
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that would be about an hour and 20 minute window I'm sorry I'm still screwing that up that's a
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two-hour window let's say let's say it's roughly a two hour window maybe two and
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a half hours at that well it's you know this is a good holiday beer that's the perfect amount of time to to pretend to
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be in your office to get her to go there leave change into this disguise Run come
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running from God knows where attack her flee the scene returning to I'm guessing a vehicle or another
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building or something like that and changing out of those clothes and returning to your office it's the
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perfect amount of time and here's the other problem whether you think it's the perfect
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amount of time or not I don't need you to agree with me the problem is this where the hell were you if you're
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innocent of this attack you would think you would be screaming it from the mountaintops going all right I lied to
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her I went to IHOP and I had uh I had a stack of pancakes like you wouldn't believe I was just being ignorant I
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didn't have anything to discuss with her I was avoiding I was avoiding the meeting or not only here's the receipt
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just say you were someplace else just give us some damn place that you were I was in a park bench nobody saw me nobody
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saw me leave nobody saw me arrive nobody saw me I was in a place where nobody could see me I was in the middle of a
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field out in the middle of nowhere give us some explanation other than going I was in my office well sir we can prove
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you were not at that time right okay well I'm not talking to you anymore all right but law enforcement has to do
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you know I don't want to say a better job because I don't think that's fair but that you know now that he's not
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talking to you that's the cat and mouse game right here's here's something interesting that I want to bring up on
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this footage now this is the of the video I posted again that's at truecrime garage.com 55 seconds we're pretty clear
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that this is some kind of vehicle um so 55. it looks like a four-door sedan let's say to give you a size idea
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of what we're looking at this individual is clearly taller than this car well yeah yeah and and like I said
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before I was thinking maybe that this uh suspect is five four five five which would rule out a lot of women
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but here I think this clearly states that my initial thoughts are wrong the size of those shoulders in comparison to
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the height of the rooftop of that vehicle makes me believe this would be a a person a man a male of somewhat
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average size right and so again you know like I said I think this individual runs
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like a girl but so does Steven Seagal right so and here's another thing too is if you
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notice all the pictures of uh more right he kind of has this uh rounded back everything's
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rounded back uh not so much there I pull up a picture that but he kind of has this rounded
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back and you can clearly see when the when the individual is running away when you see the key assigned and you
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see the Valvoline sign when you see it running away you can clearly see more of a rounded back yeah I'm convinced it's
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him I mean I'll go on the record saying that I think it was him I think he did it
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himself and I think that for reasons we may never understand I don't think he was hired by
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by uh elise's husband at all to do this I I really just I mean there's there's nothing that doesn't point to him for me
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now that would be a Twist and Turn it's the distraction I think I think the things that people think point away from
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him they're just distractions they're not technically things that point away from him they're just like weird
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suspicions that you have about the husband all things that we pointed out through along this way I think people
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get clouded with everything going on with the husband I think that the divorce really clouds things right there
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you're really talking about when you boil it down regarding Samford the only motive he has is money you know some
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people well but that's two million reasons no no no I get that I get that but we've also learned that that he
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occurred over eight hundred thousand dollars in transfer fees and penalties when he moved that money around so now
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we're talking about 1.2 million right right and I get I get it people have killed people for less money right I
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totally get it but the thing what I'm getting at is when people go well he was a bad husband he was a abusive he he had
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relationships outside the marriage and he wanted the money the problem I have with that is when you boil it down to it
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the only motive he has is money get rid of all those other problems that took place during the marriage because guess
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what in two days his marriage was over in two days his marriage was over running around behind his wife's back
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not a motive he was going to be free to date whoever he wanted in a couple days uh-huh you know being a jerk and being
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abusive and being probably unhappy himself in his home life that's over in two days for him the only motive he has
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at this point is money all right so with the with the husband right yeah the big
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motive is money then the other thing too is this conversation of the perfect murder the
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problem I have with this whole idea is he's not the one that came up with the idea of what the perfect murder is you
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know it's it's some conversation that he's having with a friend and also it's a friend of a law enforcement it's just
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not so it's not like he went you know he hung out with his buddy that's a dry cleaner and he's like hey man how do you
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think you could get away with the perfect murder right there are some people and you know this is like our
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whole lives has become True Crime I'm drinking beer at a local pub you know and and somebody goes what do you do for
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a living well you know I got the show about true crime and they go oh the what do you think about JonBenet Ramsey you
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know it's like normally when people are trying to start conversation they they go towards your area of
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expertise right so he didn't come up with this idea and he also didn't even admit to having this conversation so I
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don't know about that well in In fairness he wasn't even asked if he had directly if he in fact had this
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conversation okay and the thing here is and you you hit something on something very important and very key here
00:32:05
we were not present for the entirety of that conversation where the quote-unquote perfect murder scenario is
00:32:12
discussed there were several different reports giving this discussion one of them says
00:32:19
a couple of them say that this conversation happened on more than one occasion right there are others that
00:32:25
state that it was only a one-time conversation so we don't know which is correct but let's say this and I think
00:32:33
you hit on something very important here I'm guessing that because he's a doctor
00:32:39
he's quite a bit smarter than the old Nick sitting here in the garage that couldn't even figure out that an hour
00:32:45
before and an hour after a murder is two hours not one hour hey to be fair you have drank way more than your share of
00:32:53
beer so the thing I'm getting at is he's probably wrong he could be an intellectual and he may have just been
00:32:59
having what he considered to be an intellectual conversation with somebody that works in the law enforcement field
00:33:05
what if at the beginning of that conversation his friend in law enforcement says you know we were
00:33:10
investigating that we investigated that thing years ago and it it was almost like the perfect murder and he goes
00:33:16
well how would one commit the perfect murder right or why is that a perfect murder you know it could have been
00:33:23
talking about something outside of that yeah and I think and then the other point that I think the public really
00:33:29
gets cloudy as far as the husband goes is that you have one of his one of his children is not really on his
00:33:38
side it's not team Dad where the other children are coming right out during the memorial and saying hey look my father
00:33:45
had nothing to do with this and you want to protect your father I mean but you know that your father is going to get
00:33:51
questioned by the police he obviously was cooperating with the police we both agree he lowered lowered up that's fine
00:33:58
but the fact that the daughter is you know still against him but in all fairness she was against him probably
00:34:06
three four years before this yeah it seems like they had had a falling out like you said three or four years at
00:34:14
some point I believe it's she points to 2010 or 2011 when she had totally disowned her father and I'm with you I
00:34:22
think then the other question is how would he know where she's going to be there's a chance he didn't even know
00:34:29
that okay all right this this is one thing that I can't I have a problem getting over remember we talked about
00:34:35
the scenario where he claims where Samford claims to and he did tell friends that he believed that she had
00:34:43
purchased some kind of recording device and was recording their conversations trying to get him to do something fly
00:34:50
off the handle and then use it against him later right from my understanding in these
00:34:55
depositions Samford did end up he ended up purchasing his own recording device now Eliza made a statement to either one
00:35:05
of her friends or a relative that she believes she was being recorded when she was at home without Samford having been
00:35:13
there because she thought from time to time he was quoting things that she said while on the phone with friends or
00:35:20
relatives when he was not in the room or not at home so that's how he could know if she in
00:35:28
fact had a phone call with her her lawyer right then possibly he could have overheard
00:35:36
that and then the other situation is we know that she had a phone call with her friend
00:35:41
a couple days in advance because the friend offered to go to the meeting with her where Elisa said no I don't need to
00:35:49
go with you right the problem with that though is if you hire somebody to kill her for that meeting that you overheard
00:35:56
when you're recording with some pen device or whatever you purchased and you leave it in the kitchen or in her office
00:36:02
or whatever this meeting kept it keeps getting moved right it keeps getting moved when you
00:36:09
don't know if somebody's going to go with it or not it's almost being moved up to the point of just within hours of
00:36:14
the crime going down so so what is he on a on the phone constantly with the guy he hired going wait hold on I think the
00:36:22
meeting just got moved and then think about the chances of how many times she would he would have missed those
00:36:27
additional conversations moving that meeting and a lot of this communication from my understanding some of it took
00:36:34
place via text message he would have heard nothing right he would have no way of tracing that the meeting got moved to
00:36:41
that time period yeah so then we go back to uh I questioned that he that he even
00:36:46
knew where she would be at that time on that day and then furthermore here's the
00:36:50
other thing who do you hire to kill her unless you hire somebody that knows her well
00:36:57
there's problems with your target too I know it sounds crazy but it has happened
00:37:02
in the past where a husband or somebody has hired somebody a complete stranger to kill somebody and they end up killing
00:37:08
the wrong person you're talking about a murder that's committed on a downtown street now I know that the downtown
00:37:14
Cleveland can be you know a little quiet uh probably on a Sunday evening but but
00:37:21
still he could this individual could have totally attacked the wrong person oh definitely I guess the only way that
00:37:28
Samford pulls it off in my mind is if he hired someone to not just kill her kill
00:37:33
her but instructed that individual or the individual was smart enough to follow her for an extended period of
00:37:40
time and wait and pick his pick his moment right right the problem with that is if everybody's doing what they say
00:37:46
they're going to do and if everybody's who they are at the end of the day then when this individual killed Elisa
00:37:53
Sherman was about the same time the exact same moment that her attorney should have been standing at that
00:37:59
entrance way holding the door open for her waiting to get his client in out of the cold
00:38:05
right but that lawyer was never there right so if it is if it if it is the husband the part that doesn't make a lot
00:38:13
of sense is she would have been in that office building right right like if everything went as
00:38:19
planned the door would have been open she would have been but the lawyer wasn't there yeah we don't
00:38:27
know where the lawyer was the lawyer's Story the lawyer didn't even hear her screams because he wasn't there right he
00:38:34
was gone for there was an individual that wasn't terribly close to her that heard her screams and we know that he
00:38:39
runs like Steven Seagal we don't know that for sure we're just assuming personally I think that the
00:38:46
police and the investigators think that Gregory Moore did it too that's why I don't mind saying that I really believe
00:38:52
that it was him yeah and you can you can kind of hear that in the trailer from yesterday when they kind of say he's
00:38:58
going to be charged he's going to be charged in three different counties for those crimes he's gonna you know Justice
00:39:03
will be served there that's what they say and they say that they think that more answers are going to come out while
00:39:08
he's in court well he ends up pleading guilty in the end for this and I think it's because he didn't want to have to
00:39:13
give certain statements that would go on record yeah because I think some of it is just he can't keep track of his own
00:39:19
lies let me throw this at you too don't throw it too hard and this is why I and this is an inference that I'm
00:39:27
making but I this is what points to me that the investigators firmly believe he's suspect a number one and we all
00:39:35
know and you know forget this idea that well they've never named him as a suspect or a person of interest screw
00:39:41
that they don't do that most smart police departments and law enforcement agencies don't do that anymore they name
00:39:47
somebody a suspect after they've slapped the cuffs on them and they're sitting in
00:39:50
a jail cell preparing for the trial okay right this is why I think that he's the
00:39:55
number one suspect in in proof to me of that because he looks like a penis with a bad haircut yeah and
00:40:03
the thing is he committed that last bomb threat on jul in July of 2012 right right it was within days that the law
00:40:12
enforcement were had tracked him down and were convinced that it was him that had called in that bomb threat so he was
00:40:18
charged with this thing fairly early after the third bomb threat he was slated to go to court and face those
00:40:27
charges in December of 2013. well what happened before he could go to court for those bomb threats
00:40:36
his his client is killed in front of his office in March right they didn't go to
00:40:42
trial in December when did they end up going to trial for this thing they end up going to trial for it this year in
00:40:48
2017. they end up going to trial for three and a half years later right so not and this this is why this is why this
00:40:57
makes him the number one suspect multiple motives well no but listen to this if if you were suspected of having
00:41:04
committed multiple criminal Acts and I'm investigating those criminal acts but I suspect you of others I can
00:41:12
kind of investigate those while I'm looking into these bomb threats and while I get that warrant to search your
00:41:19
office and get that warrant to search your home and your car I can get those for the bomb threats you called in even
00:41:25
though because you have to have evidence you have to be able to convince a judge
00:41:29
that you deserve a warrant to look for items regarding the murder of Elisa Sherman right you might not have that
00:41:36
evidence you might not have reason to do that and I think that's why they waited
00:41:40
to to bring it to trial for so long so that they could look into them for other angles
00:41:46
the thing is I think police have done their due diligence here I think they have done as much well I shouldn't say
00:41:54
as much as they can I think they're having problems putting him there at that scene I think they're having
00:42:01
problems putting him in that disguise and running from her her dying body and that's the only thing stopping them
00:42:10
from from bringing this to murder charges against this guy that's why I would love to see if it's possible I
00:42:19
don't know the ins and outs of this but if she's at a scheduled meeting that you
00:42:23
kept changing the time for and you lie to her saying you were there and you're not there and she dies on your doorstep
00:42:30
right I there's got to be on your locked door there's got to be a way to file some
00:42:36
kind of wrongful death lawsuit against this individual or and or against his Law Firm
00:42:44
that he worked for at the time and therefore it opens up the doors to further investigating this guy as
00:42:50
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