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girls were taken and now we sit here and we still are looking for answers when we
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left off yesterday both girls were already missing and it was not looking to be a very good situation it was very
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Bleak they found the girls bicycles they had found one of the girls purses in a location that was odd in a location that
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they were said to not have been allowed to ride their bikes too and this was a weird location too
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because it also presented difficulties for an abduction Theory but based off of the result and what we know will be
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abduction is the only theory that makes any sense here very quickly we end up having some witnesses come forward that
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will help to flesh out our timeline just a little bit more regarding the day that
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the girls went missing so Witnesses started to come forward one witness was a man named Robert Carpenter he's an
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Evansdale resident who lived only about two blocks away from Myers Lake remember Myers Lake is where the bikes
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were found he came forward and told police that he saw the girls on Friday the 13th while he was out watering his
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yard he said that they biked by him they were on their bikes and biked by him sometime
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between noon and 1pm this time does make sense in our general timeline that we have
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Carpenter lives on Lake Avenue and if this was the girls if this really was the girls riding by they were close to
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the area where the bikes were eventually found we should point out though even though we have this Witness
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there's a chance that maybe he saw two other girls seems unlikely but there's a chance that
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they were there were other girls that he saw that day and he's just trying to be
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helpful definitely a possibility because it's a Friday and it's in the summer school's out so very possible that a kid
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could be playing in the neighborhood he's out watering his lawn maybe he sees several kids out there throughout the
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course of his day and again he's just trying to be helpful but again this does fit in with our general timeline that
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we're working with here another witness came forward and this was a cyclist who lived in nearby Waterloo who often rode
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the Evansdale nature trail this cyclist approached police who were in the process of searching the woods
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and thick Tall Grass areas along the nature trail this is on Monday the 16th so remember the girls went missing on
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Friday to the 13th this gentleman sees the officers on Monday the 16th by now with him living in Waterloo he already
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has probably some awareness that this situation is ongoing and he approaches the officers and he
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told them that when he was there previously on Friday the 13th he had seen two kids bikes on the nature
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trail but he never saw any sign of the girls themselves he says and this is according to his statement I
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saw the bikes lying on the path and I remember it because I had to Swerve to miss them remember we described how
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those bikes were found on that trail on that bike path and that makes sense that
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this guy out riding would have to Swerve or have to avoid hitting them with his bike as he's biking passed he said that
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he believed that this would have been before 12 27 pm and the way that he comes up with this
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time is he's basing this off of a phone call that he made to his daughter soon thereafter and he's got the time stamp
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on his phone of that phone call as 12 27 p.m so he says he believes that this was
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before that time well this next eyewitness is actually going to be better than a traditional eyewitness
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because this is going to be technology eyewitness unless your eyewitness has a photographic memory like the captain
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does this is better it's a curse I tell you that's right this is when we have investigators who are able to obtain
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surveillance footage from an old auction house and remember we referenced a brovan Boulevard in our first episode
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yesterday and this Boulevard is not far from the home where the girls were before they left on their bikes the
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footage that the investigators obtained in the part of the the footage that is important to them in our case was rather
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short but it catches a brief glimpse of the girls showing the two of them biking
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and passing the auction house at 12 23 PM which is not long after the 12 15 time reported by Grandma who said that
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she saw them biking around at 12 15. now there's a couple of weird things with this surveillance footage
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and we reported on some of this in our original coverage in episodes 393 and 394. one thing is that the the owner of
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this auction house did inform the police that hey the time is off on the surveillance
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footage it's only off by eight minutes so not a big you know discrepancy there one thing I
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could not determine based off of the statements that have been released to the media
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and that were available to us is in which which direction is that eight minutes now it seems more likely to me that the
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1223 might be earlier and maybe it was actually 12 31. and I only say that because we have
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Grandma saying that at approximately 12 15 is when I believe that I had seen them and the captain and I will always
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warn everybody and throw the caveat out there to all of these times when people were
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trying to remember these things they're never exact so Grandma could be off on her time as well and maybe the auction
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house footage is from 12 15. the eyewitness is saying that they saw something at 12 30. okay well I'm gonna
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put that in a window of 12 15 to 12 45. the other information that we have too is that the direction according to the
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surveillance footage the direction that the girls were traveling at this time whether it be
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12 15 to 12 31 would be they are heading in the opposite direction away from the
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lake on the surveillance footage now they very quickly could have turned around I mean I remember when I'm out
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riding with my buddies when we were kids very often we don't know exactly where we want to go or it's some kind of
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debate on where we're actually going because we have have nothing to do nothing to no place to to be and so
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we're just kind of out on a random Adventure and so there is the possibility that
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they could have quickly turned around what I'm trying to point out here though is while all of this information is
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helpful it's also really difficult to kind of sort it out because the eyewitnesses that have come
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forward the surveillance footage is great because you know that that happened you have it you can view it
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with your own eyes law enforcement can see it and go yep that's the girls those are the girls we're looking for and we
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know that it happened on this day in this approximate time which we get get a window of roughly 16 to 17 minutes right
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the troubling thing though is the eyewitnesses that are coming forward they're trying to remember after the
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fact about what time it is that they witness something whether they saw the girls writing or
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whether the cyclists found the bikes or spotted the bikes on the trail and had to Swerve to avoid them
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he comes up with 1227 as the marker on his timeline saying it had to happen before 12 27 because I
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remember talking to my daughter and I believe that that phone call occurred afterwards right I'm just trying to
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present a scenario here that all of these times cannot be accurate that is correct sir that
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somebody has to be off on their timeline yes and it could be just an honest mistake
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definitely but it seems very difficult to me if the girls are riding in the opposite direction between 12 15 and 12
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31 and this man says that I saw those bikes had to Swerve to avoid them and it happened before 12 27. so that the
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timeline is a little skewed and I think we have to take some of these these minute markers with a grain of salt and
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like the captain said I think you put them more into a window of time rather than give them an exact bullet point or
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marker well let's also think about the age of the victims they're pretty young and they're connected how they're
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related so some of these crimes you you have to look inwards first could they have been abducted by a
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stranger yes this is a crime of opportunity possibly but we have to look in the Inner Circle first and then move
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out outward well that's exactly right Captain what we will end up having unfortunately is that on Wednesday
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December 5th 2012 hunters came across two deceased bodies in the Seven Bridges Wildlife Park
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this is near Redland and Bremer County this is a wildlife area that is about 25 miles away from where the girls were
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last seen these two Hunters contacted law enforcement officials at 12 45 pm on December 5th so let's think about that
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for a minute here so this is just under what five months so five months approximately goes by
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from the time that they go missing until the time that their bodies are found now
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it will take several days for law enforcement to come out and say that this in fact and confirm for
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everybody that this in fact is the two missing girls that we do we have recovered their bodies from this
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location but very quickly law enforcement is quick to point out look we don't have any other
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scenarios of two missing victims that are young people in this area so while we cannot confirm it until
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until we do all of our proper testing and confirm everything properly we believe this to be the girls so it
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actually took about a week for them to confirm and and make that statement to the media and to the Press but they
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didn't leave the parents hanging to sit there and you know be tortured that's what it would be it would be torture to
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hear that we we found some victims okay saliva mouth we don't know if it's your your kid or not you know law enforcement
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was pretty Frank with them saying it would be highly unlikely it'd be highly unproppable for it to be somebody else
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we of course know the statistics on this according to the National Center for missing and
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exploited children stranger abductions if this was in fact a stranger abduction are the rarest type
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of case and make up only one percent approximately one percent of the missing children cases reported to
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the ncmec the national Center for missing exploited children even rarer is the Abduction of two children in broad
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daylight in fact the FBI doing their research trying to find similar crimes could only find 15
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similar incidents right occurring between the years of 1976 and 2012. now keep in
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mind the 2012 incident is the lyric in Elizabeth incident so really you only have 14 other
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situations where two kids were abducted believed to be a stranger abduction and in broad daylight
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so with the perpetrator having no actual ties to either victim very very frustrating this is going to be if in
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fact this was a stranger abduction this is going to be an incredibly difficult crime an incredibly
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difficult situation to investigate and when I say investigate I mean investigate to the point where it leads
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you to an actual suspect because unless you have witnesses that can provide you with the suspect some kind of breadcrumb
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trail that will lead you to a suspect the only information that you have that could potentially lead you to a suspect
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would be items that you would find at either crime scene that would be the location where the bikes were found and
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the purse was found and the location where the bodies were found approximately 25 miles
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away just under five months later if you don't find anything at those scenes that lead you directly to someone
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or someone's you don't have a lot to go on you might have evidence but you need somebody to tie that to you don't have
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anybody to compare it to because you don't have much of a suspect pool now the captain's right what you do here in
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any of these situations and they did this well before the bodies were later found you start with the people that
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know the victims the best their family their their intimate small circle their Social Circles and you fan out from
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there and immediately still when the girls were missing we have a problem with one set of parents yeah there's a
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problem because lyrics father Dan has a criminal history he does Dan Morrissey has uh several charges against him for
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possessing dealing and making methamphetamine the other problem that we have is at some point early on in the
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investigation when the girls are still missing Dan becomes he's not cooperating with police anymore
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in the beginning in the initial stages all family members both sets of families both of the girls parents
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were cooperating with police and at some point Dan stops cooperating this seems to take place when the police
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start accusing him now we should be clear here though we have the information that's been released to
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the media or per the media I shouldn't say release to because that makes it sound like it came from law enforcement
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I don't know where the media obtained this information but several news sources state that the parents all
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passed polygraphs and some of them multiple polygraphs yeah I'm wondering if they gave Dan multiple polygraph
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tests here's the thing though he could have just lost his head when they started accusing him some people
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can't handle that some people can't handle that and I don't think in my opinion that this points to guilt now I
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wish that he would have handled this differently I wish that he would have continued to cooperate because that is
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the only way that they are going to find out who did this to your child is with your help you not cooperating
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really complicates the investigation because now they're even more concerned about you yes you have a checkered past
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yes you are in trouble with the police but if you look at the Timeline there's not really any time in this timeline for
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Dan to have been active or directly involved in whatever happened to these girls
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it just it just doesn't work out so the other thing that the police have to wonder about though is because of Dan's
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previous Affairs and because of his activities that puts him around a shady group of
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people a bunch of probably a bunch of shitty people yeah Shady shitty shady and shitty yeah and so could one of them
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have been involved or several of them have been involved now I I kind of look at this in the only way I see this as
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being a possibility or the most likely of possibilities that would lead back to Dan
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is that he likely has no knowledge of this or if he did have knowledge of it maybe it's some kind of abduction for
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ransom that went bad that went just completely wrong and off the rails for some reason
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I look at this Captain and the thing that just makes me sick to my stomach is I look at this and I I see
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what I think is probably a stranger abduction or an Abduction of some type of predator
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rather than somebody involved with Dan or involved with the drug trade and we do know that these things do
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happen you know when there's drugs involved when there's money involved a lot of bad things can happen so I don't
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want to push it out side of the box and say it's outside of the realm of possibilities
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now we won't go through all of the problems with Dan Morrissey uh in this episode because we covered it quite
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extensively in our previously in our previous episodes if that's something that concerns you or something you want
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to look into there's plenty of information there for you in those episodes well the other problem here is
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yes stranger on Stranger abductions especially with two you go well it's it's one percent
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yeah but these girls have been there's been a schedule these girls go over they play together
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they ride their bikes they're now just think about that this this person could could have known their schedule or known
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um could have been monitoring them for a while well and if you have a situation where let's pretend
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for a second that maybe it was a local individual that is responsible for this and because of the way that the bikes
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are found I think that that suggests to me that whoever did this has some kind of knowledge
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some general knowledge if you will of that area if it were a local there's we said less than 5 000 people there's less
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than 4 700 people there might even be less than 4 600 people in Evansdale at that time if it was a local with it
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being so few people that lived there now you create a higher probability that that local knew one of the girls if not
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both right and if that local is some type of Predator and did this horrific deed
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even if he just knew one of them he may have chose this result to avoid being identified for their
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abduction and whatever assaults took place because if it were a complete stranger you still
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have the the possibility that this individual could let them go drop them off somewhere
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and not be identified if they don't know his name you know we we of course would get
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a description because these are not very very small children they're 10 and they're eight we would get some kind of
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description of his vehicle his activities what he looked like uh we would get that information maybe he
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didn't want that out there but it's uh it's one of those scenarios where I I feel like
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this drug business and and dance problems I feel like it's a big major speed bump in this case now if they
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don't have a lot to work with at either crime scene well then there is no speed bump you have to
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investigate something and this would certainly be an Avenue worth pursuing well once law enforcement finds the
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girls they're not going to give us much information it's going to be very tight-lipped very similar to the Delphi
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investigation yes they confirm that sadly it was in fact Lear cook in Elizabeth Collins that were located
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in that Seven Bridges area we do not get told how they were killed we do not get told about sexual assault
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we do not get told how long they believe that they were in that location for the only statement that we get after the
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fact here is we get this kind of vague statement of police saying well after we found the bodies and after we've run our
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our forensic investigation we do have a good idea of when the abduction took place and we do have a good idea of when
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they were placed in that location where they were found we don't get any kind of information on
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how long that they were held or how long that they were alive after the abduction took place
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unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you want to look at it these things usually don't take a long
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time before the perpetrator or perpetrators are moving on to the process of disposing of
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probably the best tip that comes forward here in the best breadcrumb trail that we will get in this case is in the form
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of the following uh Witnesses these are three separate witnesses that came forward claiming to have seen an older
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model white SUV type of vehicle which would be similar to a Chevy Suburban or a Ford Bronco based off of the
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eyewitness's accounts three separate Witnesses said that they saw an older model white SUV type vehicle parked on
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Arbutus Avenue which is a street very near Myers Lake on the day that the girls disappeared
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this story is a little weird though to me as well with two of the witnesses reported seeing the SUV parked between
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two bike trail signs the other witness told police that they had seen the vehicle parked near the woods on the
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east side of the lake only a few hundred feet away from where the girls bikes were later found all three Witnesses
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reported seeing the vehicle between 11 30 a.m and 12 30 p.m on July 13 2012. maybe that helps out the cyclist
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information that he provided saying that he spotted the bikes before 1227. what's
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weird about this information to me is that two of the witnesses came forward in the first few days of the search
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while the girls were still missing the third witness came forward several months later
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and says that they waited and didn't come forward earlier because they just assumed that somebody else had already
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come forward about it that's a weird statement to me is that weird to you Captain like I I you know I
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waited a few months I know these girls were missing their little kids and I know that I saw something
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but why didn't I come forward earlier I just assumed somebody else came forward and told you the same information
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police never released any of this information until the third witness came forward
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I find this to be all very strange why would this and of course we're not going to get any information from law
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enforcement but why would this witness think that somebody else would come forward did they see somebody else
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there that day did they know one of the other Witnesses and we're told yeah I already reported that to the police but
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where was this eyewitness located at was he in the neighborhood because that would make more sense to me oh well I
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saw him in the neighborhood I figured other people saw him in the neighborhood no these are these are all all these
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three Witnesses are reporting seeing a strange vehicle on either parked on Arbutus Drive sorry
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either parked on Arbutus Avenue or parked near the woods on the east side of the lake
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so they're not reporting seeing the girls or the bikes they're reporting seeing a vehicle that was in the
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location of where the bikes are later found and in that location around the time that the girls may have gone
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missing even though their time is a little on the early side for our timeline for that
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day they're reporting that approximately between 11 30 and 12 30 on that day here's the thing to me Captain I'm
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always extremely suspicious and I think we all should be of information that people come forward
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with placing themselves in the crime scene area and their stories don't make sense right
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that's why I question the cyclist with his time could he just be wrong on his time that's prob that's probably the
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situation he's just wrong on his time and he doesn't mean any ill will he's trying to help out the investigation
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but we have another witness that comes forward months later saying I I didn't come forward because I just assumed
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somebody else would would give you that information that's when you want to know
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what the police know why would they why would they look at this person as a witness and not as a suspect there must
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be something in that person's story that makes them a witness and doesn't put them under suspicion
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from law enforcement and it could be as simple as remember Witness A and B well I was with witness
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B and witness B told me that they told you this information two days after they went missing so I didn't bother coming
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forward I had nothing in addition to what they told you that's the things that I want to know
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because in my mind I'm suspicious of that individual that comes forward months later
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why are you now putting yourself at the crime scene nobody else puts you there and you have this information that would
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have been really important to us back then so that's as concerning to me almost as much as the shadiness and
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shittiness around the father Dan Morrissey and his Shady weird friends and Associates
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but also the thing you know I I gave kudos to law enforcement in this area earlier for all the activity that they
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immediately put into place and I I applaud them and will continue to do so on all those activities they jumped into
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action rather quickly the one thing that I think is missing from what I think should have happened that day
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is Roadblocks I didn't see couldn't find any information that suggested that they
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set up any roadblocks at any time and I'll tell you what nobody's put me in charge of any missing person's
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investigation but if they did and if we're on the scene within an hour 90 minutes after the person was last
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seen especially a child and we got bicycles lying on the ground I want roadblocks set up we talked about all
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those different agencies that got involved the state police the highway patrol the Sheriff's Office the nearby larger
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Police Department of Waterloo they're already out in these areas let's set up some roadblocks and just let
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everybody know hey we're looking for two kids one have you seen anything two do you mind if we look in your car or truck
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real quick just to make sure that those two kids are not in there gives you a list of vehicles it gives you a list of
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license plates it gives you a list of people on how they interacted with you and that would be very important because
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like we said this this is a very small town but even the surrounding areas if you take all the surrounding areas
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you're looking at less than a hundred thousand people that's pretty easy to start sifting
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through the crowd you go okay well I Witnesses saw a man okay now here now you're at 50 000 people
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well between the ages of this and this okay now you're at you at 10 000 people you see what I'm saying like it's well
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not only that within within a couple days we have these Witnesses at least two of them that came forward saying I
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saw an older model white SUV type vehicle maybe a Bronco or Suburban and like you said if you have that list
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of vehicles that you created because of your roadblocks you you could compare that you could
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cross-reference that with this new evidence or new witness statements that come forward just days later
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and you go oh we were we stopped six or seven vehicles that matched that General
00:35:07
description here's the driver's name or or here's the the plate it was an Iowa plate or was an out of state plate
00:35:15
whoever did this known to the victims or unknown to the victims I believe drove them out of the
00:35:22
area rather quickly and I don't think it's just because of where their bodies were later found that I I've come to
00:35:29
that conclusion I think that whoever did this wanted to get out of there with them I agree it's a small area
00:35:36
less than 4 700 people they did not want to be seen with these girls in their possession well there's
00:35:44
obviously things that as an investigator you want to know how long were these girls alive for how long were they taken
00:35:52
captured for um or held hostage for it's um that would give you I think an idea of a profile of an individual or
00:36:03
what kind of individual we're looking at yeah and it sounds like based off of the
00:36:08
few statements regarding evidence that they have that law enforcement has it sounds like they have a general timeline
00:36:15
themselves that they're working from that would include probably not exact dates
00:36:22
but more roundabout times and dates to those different items of of when they were disposed of in that area
00:36:31
how long they had been there what have you what the big turn in this case comes on February 3rd 2015. this is at
00:36:43
another press conference that was held in Evansdale and we have the chief of police Kent
00:36:49
Smock is his name he declared that the the focus of their investigation the focus of their efforts
00:36:56
from now on will be those familiar with Seven Bridges Wildlife Park and he States quote I think you will
00:37:05
agree with me that Seven Bridges is extremely remote we have no doubt that the person or persons responsible for
00:37:12
this crime are very familiar with Seven Bridges it's a very well-known area to the local community unless you just knew
00:37:22
that area you wouldn't just come across it obviously whoever took the girls to that area was comfortable with that
00:37:29
environment and knew of that environment yeah I totally agree it was also at this
00:37:35
press conference that Smock informed the public that they did not currently have a suspect or
00:37:43
Person of Interest it also sounds to me like they're kind of without stating this
00:37:50
it sounds to me like the current state of the investigation or at least the working theory is that they were likely
00:37:56
abducted by someone unknown to the victims potentially a stranger and we had several accounts of what were
00:38:09
deemed to be abduction attempts that took place in that general area within the Blackhawk County and this being the
00:38:17
month before and during the month of July and we know that a lot of times that these individuals will make several
00:38:25
attempts before they're actually able to pull off an actual abduction so could one of those abduction attempts be
00:38:33
connected to it that's possible 10 years in this case is not solved and it's very
00:38:39
similar to another case that hasn't been solved in five years and that's the Delphi murders both victims being young
00:38:47
female abducted in broad daylight later found dead from public places so many similarities
00:38:55
it's it's like Beyond bizarre to sit here and go you cannot you should not discuss the two together
00:39:02
well on family members with uh criminal history and and Drug history so by far the most popular theory in the Evansdale
00:39:13
case is that it could be the work of a serial killer and of course on the internet
00:39:19
everybody's saying if it is a serial killer well then maybe they've already struck again and they struck in Delphi
00:39:25
Indiana in 2017. now less than a month after the murders of Libby and Abby in Delphi
00:39:36
Indiana on March 9 2017 we do have Sergeant John perine from the Indiana State Police who would attempt to
00:39:47
officially dispel these rumors saying we've spoken with the Iowa authorities about the case just like we've spoken to
00:39:54
so many other agencies with their unsolved cases we are simply comparing notes at this point we do not have a
00:40:02
connection with that case in that case meaning the Evansdale case now what I would like to take a moment
00:40:10
and look at is you can take this one of two ways and I think it's an interesting
00:40:16
exercise for either way that you want to take this and that is to look at the offender
00:40:25
profile that was put together on the Evansdale Case by the FBI and kind of cross-reference that with
00:40:35
the post crime behaviors that has been presented to us in the Delphi case on things that we should be
00:40:44
looking for in that with that suspect and the reason why I think that this is a productive exercise to do
00:40:51
is for two reasons one you can look at and see and observe and think about the obvious similarities between the two
00:41:00
crimes and probably what will be similarities to have an argument that they are in fact connected
00:41:08
or if they are not connected then we can get further insight into who our offender is because I think that likely
00:41:17
our offender in both cases is somewhat similar to each other we're looking for a similar type of offender in both cases
00:41:25
even if they're not connected so the offender profile in the Evansdale case states that the offender is
00:41:33
familiar with both Myers Lake Angels Park which is so now they've they've titled Myers Lake they've created a
00:41:43
portion of Myers lake that is Angels park so that's dedicated to our young victims here that portion of Myers Lake
00:41:52
so the profile says the offender is familiar with both Myers Lake in Evansdale and Seven Bridges Wildlife
00:41:59
Area in Bremer County while this sounds very similar to Delphi doesn't it what are we told in Delphi we
00:42:06
believe that you are from Delphi or work in Delphi or have lived here previously
00:42:15
so somebody that would be familiar with the trails in the Monon High Bridge back to Evansdale
00:42:24
the suspect chose Seven Bridges because he or she was familiar with the area and
00:42:29
knew it was secluded sounds a lot like the Monon high bridge in the trails especially the bridge
00:42:35
because the bridge was not was not a part of the park that was accessible to everybody meaning that you
00:42:44
weren't really supposed to go on the bridge because there had had some problems it was dilapidated
00:42:50
and law enforcement has outright said that they don't believe that that's an area that somebody would just happen
00:42:55
upon and that would that you would walk into and feel comfortable with they believed the offender is
00:43:03
somewhat familiar with that that general area and has been in that Park on those
00:43:09
Trails on that bridge before and Evansdale says the offender Blends in with and may be part of the Evansdale
00:43:16
Brimmer and surrounding communities Delphi we believe you are hiding in plain sight
00:43:24
we believe that you are from the area or have lived here previously or work in Delphi
00:43:31
back to Evansdale the suspect likely used quiet coercion to gain the girl's compliance into leaving Myers Lake using
00:43:39
a ruse or threats of violence Delphi guys down the hill quiet coercion likely a threat of
00:43:49
violence in Delphi back to Evansdale the suspect may have been experiencing stress related to
00:43:55
legal troubles spousal problems employment difficulties Financial strain or mental health issues in July of 2012.
00:44:03
this is very common this is a very common item that you will expect to see in other offender profiles usually there
00:44:13
is some kind of trigger this sets these guys off a lot of times if this was in fact a sexual predator
00:44:20
if this was a sexually motivated abduction then this guy likely had fantasies fantasies that he may or may not would
00:44:30
act on at some point in his life but there could be something that triggered him something that pushed him
00:44:36
over the edge into going from fantasy into acting it out into carrying out these
00:44:46
horrific activities the suspect May avoid discussing the case or showing interest in the matter
00:44:52
but is likely following developments in the media I Believe I Can Fly more so in
00:44:58
the Delphi case than whoever is responsible for that I think they are they are hanging on the edge of their
00:45:04
seat and they are absorbing reading listening to this should be consuming every piece of
00:45:12
information that comes out in that case yeah I'm not the only one that suspects that
00:45:18
Doug Carter told us all we know this is about power to you and we know that you want to know what we know and one day
00:45:25
you will When comparing the two cases captain the Delphi case while both seem very
00:45:32
similar for some reason and I can't put my finger on it I can't wrap my head around it but for some reason the Delphi
00:45:39
case seems a little more sinister than the Evansdale case yeah there's going to be more coming out and I think
00:45:46
maybe it's because we know our offender was out on foot out walking the park the trails himself right where
00:45:55
Evansdale feels likely to me especially with these witness statements of this possible vehicle the suspicious vehicle
00:46:02
that was cited that it was probably more of a snatch and grab situation where somebody was out trolling looking
00:46:10
for a victim and found them right unfortunately found these two girls and likely if they were out trolling for a
00:46:20
victim may find someone even if they had not spotted Lyric and Elizabeth that leads me to the next item in the
00:46:29
profile the offender may have attempted to abduct children or adults in the past
00:46:34
this I think is an absolute I think that this is somebody that probably if it was
00:46:39
in fact a stranger on Stranger abduction I think that this was somebody that was
00:46:44
out trolling looking for a victim probably went out trolling before and for whatever reason did not was not
00:46:52
successful in obtaining a victim the other thing too that I think is interesting and I know that age is the
00:46:59
hardest factor to determine when putting together your profile right and we don't
00:47:05
even have any kind of physical description in the Evansdale case other than these possible Vehicles suspicious
00:47:11
vehicles at least in Delphi we know we're looking for a white male that's shitty but Shady let me run some things
00:47:18
by you here real quick these are just three off of the top of my head offenders that fit into this some the
00:47:27
same statement the offender may have attempted to abduct children or adults in the past now we talk so much about
00:47:33
the importance of victimology yes this offender could be out trolling looking for a child victim
00:47:42
but there are also offenders out there that were known to abduct both adults and children
00:47:50
and so let's go through through one in fact is Ted Bundy known to all of us whose victims ranged in age from 12 to
00:48:00
26. now while he seemed to strongly prefer College age victims when he was desperate to find a victim
00:48:09
he would go and seek out younger victims we know this because in May of 75 Bundy abducted Lynette Culver
00:48:18
age 12 he abducted her from her Junior High School in Idaho yeah he could have gone to that Junior
00:48:24
High School looking for any age of victim but he's not an idiot you would think that he had some idea I might be
00:48:33
finding a child victim if I'm going to a junior high school and then in February of 78 he did it
00:48:39
again Bundy abducted Kimberly Leach age 12 another 12 year old abducted from her
00:48:43
Junior High School in Lake City Florida now we know that the rest of his victims
00:48:48
were ages 17 or older and again most of his victims he seem to prefer College age victims but then we have somebody
00:48:56
that's that's very similar Brian Duggan he was a serial rapist and the killer of
00:49:02
three victims two of them were young ten and seven years of age Brian Duggan actually committed a crime incredibly
00:49:09
similar to the Evansdale murders when on June 2nd 1985 Melissa Ackerman and her eight-year-old friend opal Horton were
00:49:18
riding their bikes in Illinois when they were confronted by Dugan he grabbed opal first and threw her into
00:49:25
his car but the girl managed to escape while Dugan was overpowering Melissa he later sexually assaulted and killed
00:49:34
Ackerman and her body was located about 15 miles away she was not found for several weeks now
00:49:43
what's interesting to me about that case here Captain is both these girls were on
00:49:49
their bikes what did he take and what did he attempt to take he took a girl and he attempted to take
00:49:57
the other girl he did not attempt to take either bike he was driving a car you know what I mean like if if we're
00:50:05
going to look at Evansdale and say well there's a chance that the offender or the offenders took the girls and wanted
00:50:11
to conceal the bikes and they placed them there I don't believe that the girl threw her
00:50:16
purse over the fence I think that was offender Behavior right should we be looking for a car for
00:50:23
for you know Dugan didn't have the ability to take the girls and and their bikes because he had limited amount of
00:50:30
space in in his vehicle that he was going to abduct them in then we have John Miller
00:50:40
who is responsible for April Tinsley's murder in 1988. he admitted after he was caught all
00:50:46
these years later that he drove around frequently and that he picked April at random
00:50:56
and he said that he had gone out on several occasions before in several occasions after he abducted and killed
00:51:03
April Tinsley and he had looked for other child victims during those times for whatever reason he didn't take them
00:51:10
often the simplest reason why he did not take them was because they were not alone
00:51:15
April unfortunately was alone when he spotted her now clearly our Evansdale person or
00:51:23
persons didn't have an issue with taking two victims which we is much more risky
00:51:30
Behavior now one thing that's interesting to me those are just three examples here
00:51:37
but let's also look at the age of these offenders Bundy was 27 and two months old when he started his
00:51:48
horrific Behavior Brian Dugan was 26 and a half and John Miller is 28 years old in nine months old they're all
00:52:01
in their late 20s so in this Evansdale case you may be looking for somebody in their mid to
00:52:06
late 20s at some point this Behavior goes from fantasy to Let's Take Action and make it
00:52:16
a reality well continue on with the offender profile following The Disappearance the suspect may have
00:52:22
altered his or her physical appearance such as changing hairstyle and facial hair the offender's vehicle may have
00:52:30
also been altered with a new paint job or reupholstery and then they go on to say that analysts
00:52:37
experience with prior abduction cases points to one person being involved but there are cases where more than one
00:52:46
person was involved I'm a little confused by some of their word choices here Captain right they finish up their
00:52:55
profile by stating our experience is that one person it all points to one person being
00:53:04
involved one person did this and I agree with that that's well beyond the anything that would suggest that more
00:53:13
than one person committed this and I I think that that's interesting because throughout their offender
00:53:20
profile they are only referencing one person during that offender profile they don't
00:53:27
say persons or person you know person or persons suspect or suspects they they constantly reference an
00:53:34
individual and then they finish up their profile by saying um we believe based off a prior
00:53:40
experience that one person committed this so it seems to be it seems to be a thought out choice of of stating just an
00:53:48
individual throughout the course of that profile what is weird though too is the
00:53:53
choice of including she he or she several times throughout the course of this profile
00:54:02
does that mean that they've not ruled out the possibility that that a single woman
00:54:08
committed this crime or my issue with this case and and you could connect it again just to the Delphi frustration I
00:54:15
mean any of these cases Amy mihalovic for example good example any case that goes uh a time period where law
00:54:24
enforcement is just not sharing any information it's like I know you have to hold so much back because you need to
00:54:32
I know you have to hold so much back because once you do have a suspect that you want to charge you have to bring him
00:54:37
to trial you have to bring them to trial you have to try to get a conviction but
00:54:44
you don't even get them to trial if you don't share some of this information at this point in your investigation
00:54:50
you're exactly right because what you have here is we do know that in the Evansdale case at least two people came
00:54:57
forward with false confessions and they were able to rule those out based off of
00:55:01
their hold back information but you're exactly right from where I sit here in the garage what I can see this case
00:55:08
unfortunately and I hope that none of the families are listening when I say this
00:55:13
this case doesn't seem to be going anywhere no it doesn't seem like there's any recent
00:55:19
movement on this case well in this case it's been unsolved for longer than one of the victims was even alive good point
00:55:28
and I don't fault the local law enforcement I don't fault the person's in charge up to a certain point because
00:55:35
they did a lot of Hardcore work on this case and on this investigation they involved other agencies something that
00:55:42
we like to see here in the garage they went as far as to meeting with the FBI and going in front of experts and saying
00:55:48
please experts tell us from your expert opinion and your expertise what we should be looking for how to direct this
00:55:56
investigation I I love when people are humble like that and they say help me help me solve
00:56:03
this yeah there's nothing more annoying in these cases when you see these ignorant
00:56:09
sheriffs or an ignorant individual that's in charge of an investigation and refuses help or to let any outside
00:56:15
sources or resources get involved to help them solve the case that they throw it all on their own
00:56:20
shoulders and then guess what nobody gets any justice but you're right Captain ten years later
00:56:27
there's a lot of information that it seems like could be released to the public that we could crowdsource some of
00:56:34
this there's a chance that they've interviewed the person or persons responsible
00:56:42
in this case there's a very high probability that that name will appear somewhere in their case File
00:56:50
they just need some help push this thing to the next step to creating a suspect pool because it
00:56:58
sounds based off of the information that they've released they don't have a suspect pool we spent a good deal of
00:57:05
time in our previous episodes covering a suspect that the captain and I both agreed we could not get past
00:57:11
we didn't say he did it but he committed similar crimes and he's a horrible individual he took his own life
00:57:19
and later law enforcement says they are confident that he's no longer a person of interest
00:57:26
in this case that's the only person of interest we've ever seen publicly announced in this case right he's dead
00:57:33
they're confident he's no longer a person of interest in this case they wouldn't go into reasons why
00:57:39
other than to state that there were forensic things forensic items that were found that they believe
00:57:46
did not connect him to this case he's forensically he's not connected to this case
00:57:54
I'm hoping that that means that they have some kind of forensics to eliminate or include certain people in
00:58:02
that potential suspect pool but if you don't have a suspect pool at the moment Now's the Time the 10-year anniversary
00:58:09
shout out from the mountaintops get all of your local media piece people together and say we need your help to
00:58:16
spread the word on this we are going to take one last shot let's toss up a Hail Mary Hallelujah and see if we can solve
00:58:25
this thing right and that's what we're going to ask of all of you out there listening today
00:58:31
law enforcement these families this community they need your help and if you can help there is a reward a
00:58:40
very substantial reward in this case let's prosecute the person or persons responsible for
00:58:50
this double homicide of two little children let's get Justice some form of Justice
00:58:57
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00:59:08
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