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around grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] just like the call that came in after
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the horrific attack on Karen poac who survived somehow managed to survive that attack from New Year's Eve on the last
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day of 1980 the attack that took place 6 months later roughly 6 months later that
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led to the murder of 18 18-year-old Kimberly Compton I do know Captain here that the
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first call at least the very first call in that series that was traced to a pay phone in fact police say that once they
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were able to compare their patrol and Cruiser Logs with the Payphone Booth call log it's their belief that they
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arrived approximately one minute one minute 60 seconds after the killer caller hung up the phone the St Paul
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police department really worked this case about as thoroughly as anyone could they released the call for the news
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channels to play some of the calls you know we discussed that there were multiple phone calls from the attacker
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in Kimberly Compton's case some of those calls were recorded the ones that were recorded those were released to the news
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outlets to play the police were hoping that someone obviously would recognize the voice or even the words that were
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used in those calls and if such a person came forward this would be a major lead
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a major break in their investigation and then this is this is smart this is rather Smart in one of the calls the
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killer said that he quote was getting drunk every day so the detectives were going around
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and talking to and playing the calls the recorded calls for bartenders and liquor
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store owners hoping that one of them could identify the man's voice question for you when
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you first heard these calls did you believe that this man just had a higher pitched voice or do you believe that
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this was a a way to disguise The Voice or because he was emotional is this why his voice was higher in Pitch I believed
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that it was a combination of a couple of the things you said I think that it was
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a combination of he was emotional whether that's selfishness or remorseful what have you I I I wouldn't won't
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attempt to to know the answer to that but my guess here Captain is that it's a combo of being
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emotional and the attempt to at the same time to disguise his voice and we both agree
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he's a piece of [ __ ] oh I mean there we shouldn't have to say it if there's a person out there that thinks he's not
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let's find you and put you away as well yeah we might not need to say it but it's fun to say I mean he he's a piece
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of [ __ ] he practically he attempted to beat a woman to death with a tire iron or crowbar and Then followed that up by
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six months later so so nicely attacking a woman with an ice pick that oh by the way he stabbed her 61 times with with an
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ice pick and then strangled her with her own shoelace so um well see to me piece
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of [ __ ] doesn't do it just well we've seen this with other cases right where an attacker uh serial killer
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changes their weapon and in this case cuz we've seen it whether it's been a gun used or a
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knife used where I think these killers don't like the reaction of the victim and so to to stop that reaction they
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strangle them yeah I think that maybe this unfortunately that this is just there's no nice way to put it I
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really think he was just making sure he got the job done because he didn't with Karen right and the he he got lucky in
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the Karen case and you know I say this all the time in these situations I've never reviewed one where the the the
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victim gets lucky I've only review cases where the asent and the the killer get lucky and he got lucky in that case that
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when she woke up she couldn't recall anything about him she couldn't describe his vehicle she couldn't describe much
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of the attack at all and I'm sure that that probably scared him as let's let's go down the road of of pretending for a
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moment that he is truly remorseful and then that old myth of that most of these s serial killers want to get caught well
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that that's just frankly not true I don't care what what scientists or psychologists is going to try to sell me
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that I ain't buying it why because they continue to kill I've I've reviewed one serial killer case where the guy walked
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into the police department and said I'm a serial killer lock me up one out of hundreds of serial killer cases so well
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I think it's a double-edged sword because I do think some of these killers want to
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confess they want to oh they want this urge to stop and they want somebody to help them but the consequence points is
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once you then confess you're going to prison and nobody wants to go to prison you can have a slight bit of remorse but
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still not want to get caught those are not the same thing and so with this guy I really think that the the
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strangulation with the shoelace was he got scared that his previous victim woke up and could have
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potentially described him and his vehicle and described their conversations and that probably in his
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mind would have led him to getting caught because what we do know about these these types uh from persons that
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eventually do get caught Ed keer said this BTK said this that right after the first kill both of them it just expected
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for helicopters and police sirens to start going off like that they that they were caught without any investigation at
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all like there's that that immediate paranoia so his victim wakes up the first one and he definitely was scared
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at some point he was going to get caught for this and I think that the shoelace was just not leaving the potential of
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not leaving the witness making sure that this one doesn't wake up now we know that infamously this killer would go on
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to be known as the weepy voiced killer but actually early on they were calling him the whimpering killer again just
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both different ways of describing the the voice that police and dispatchers are hearing when the calls come in and
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all we I do have a transcript of one of the Kimberly Compton calls and I'm not I'm not going to try to impersonate the
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call I'll just I'll just please don't no because the way that the voice to me the
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best the best thing that I can attempt to equate this voice to it do you remember um the the sketch comic Michael
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McDonald Mad TV the Stuart Lin skit where he plays the the the child and to me the to me the weepy
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voice killer or the whimper whimpering killer whatever you know you want to call him to me it sounds like someone
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attempting a male voice attempting to do an impersonation of Stuart Lin's mother
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Dorene that's that's what my the way it hits my ear well at least this serial killer name is not flattering it's not
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like BTK or Son of Sam but if they would have just took my suggestion The weepe peeee Voice killer
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it's a little more degrading so from the transcript of one of the Kimberly Compton calls the transcript reads as
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follows I am sorry what I did to Compton I couldn't help it I don't know why I had to stab her I'm so upset about it I
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keep getting drunk every day and I can't believe I killed her I can't think of being locked up if I get locked up I'll
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kill myself so after releasing the calls to the public the police said that the the first few days they were receiving
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quote a call every five minutes this from people offering information submitting tips and just trying to help
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in general this provided of course a lot of leads for the five Detectives that were dedicated that that the police
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department dedicated to this single case but as quickly as this whole investigation ramped up gaining momentum
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it all came to an abrupt halt when in late August of this same year of 1981 a man confronted police with a gun when
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they tried to apprehend him he fled and barricaded himself inside of his home actually it was his parents' home for
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which he as an adult still lived with them this was the start of a 15-hour standoff the standoff ended when the man
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at 1:30 a.m. on Saturday August 29th he attempted to flee out the back door of the home and he was quickly apprehended
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by the police so he fled the house because he had set several fires inside and was running out of options once
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inside the home police discovered that 26-year-old Allan Lopez he's the man that fled from from the home that was
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arrested he had killed his parents raymon and Charlotte using an Axe and a metal pipe now in the basement police
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found the body of Lopez's sister Linda her age was 23 at the time who was burned beyond
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recognition this Alan Lopez would to me fit the description of the quote regular Maniac like the one
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Kimberly's grandfather was talking about Alan Lopez confesses to the murder of Kimberly Compton
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but then while in jail for killing his parents and sister alen Lopez takes his own life unfortunately he was a very
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very disturbed individual and along with his severe mental illness he was drinking excessively probably a way to
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try to self-medicate so okay well that wraps things up but not so fast Mister shout
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out to the great Lee Coro so now we go to a August 5th 1982 this is after the death of Alan
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Lopez 40-year-old Barbara Simons is at a place called the hexagon bar in Minneapolis a man approached Barbara
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asking for a cigarette and she gave him one and then the pair began talking Barbara spoke with the man long enough
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for her to feel comfortable with him as the night came to a close he offered her
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a ride home and she accepted after after spending the night at the bar Barbara Simons tells the bartender quote he's
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cute I hope he's nice since he's giving me a ride home now Simons was found stabbed to death the next day the weepy
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voiced killer contacted police after the murder of barber saying please don't talk just
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listen I'm sorry I killed that girl I stabbed her 40 times Kimberly Compton was the first one over in St Paul so
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think about this for a second you have law enforcement that believe that the the killer of Kimberly
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Compton killed himself in jail before he could be tried with these these other crimes that he
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was accused of the the burning the house the killing of his parents and his sister so for a couple of months you
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don't have really much in the way of an investigation because you think this guy
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well he confessed to killing Kimberly Compton and we he's capable yeah of such a crime most certainly question for you
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cuz they did have uh a sketch that they that they release of the suspect but when did that happen well that's perfect
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timing for that question because this is where they get their first description of the man so there is a part of this
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case that's a little confusing to The Outsider until you really delve and dive deep into this case
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donkey there was a sketch that was released shortly after Kimberly Compton was murdered but that sketch was not of
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the so I have to kind of fully describe this or it won't make much sense yeah they they released this sketch of this
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individual and they say that this person is the last person seen talking to Kimberly Compton at the bus depot
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remember she went from the the bus depot to across the street to the Diner so they're not saying that the man that she
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was talking to at the diner is the same guy in the sketch that they're looking for they're saying this guy we have at
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least one witness or two witnesses saying a guy that looks like this was seen talking to her at the bus depot
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prior to going to the diner they do go as far to say this man is wanted by police for questioning wanted is a weird
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word they wouldn't use that today but want for questioning but they do clarify that police do not believe that the man
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in the sketch or the sketch of this man was the same as the caller who called after the murder which they believe was
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the killer because he gives that detail of the ice pick so what they're attempting to do with the release of
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that sketch so when when people take a first glance at this case they think oh they had a description of the killer
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right after Compton's murder which would make sense because because she was picked up at the diner it would stand a
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reason that people saw the two of them sitting together and talking together right but it doesn't appear to be that
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that was the case or that anybody had any real recollection of the man that she was sitting with so now they're
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looking for this other dude because you know as an investigator she's not from here she just stepped off the bus and
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then gets murdered so what you're hoping is to connect with this guy that she was
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seen talking to at the bus depot because your first question is going you want to
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determine who truly was the last person to see her alive because that's your murderer and so now you want to find
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this person so you can ask them simple questions like when you talk to her did she say she was meeting anyone did she
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offer up a name did she say where she was going you know you want to you want to put together some more events and
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markers on her timeline that take that that complete that timeline from bus depot through the diner to where she's
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found murdered by the you know by The River's Edge from my understanding that person never comes forward now and now
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let's fast forward to we have this murder of Barbara Simons they had a confession by Alan Lopez who now doesn't
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seem to hold much weight at all because Barbara Simons is killed in a very similar same manner as Kimberly Compton
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and this weepy voice guy is back on the phone calling 911 and police and saying I I'm sorry I killed that girl I stabbed
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her 40 times and then finishing up the call saying Kimberly Compton was the first one over in St Paul so now you
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have this other confession and oh by the way the voice sounds the same as the calls that you're getting from the
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Kimberly Compton case yeah and I'm guessing because we have recordings of those that law enforcement was able to
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compare those but it's also difficult because we have a person that confess to the crimes but they're dead so yeah we
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to play Captain Obvious we can't question that in individual we've all watched and probably enjoyed the crime
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fiction shows where there's some killer on the loose somebody confesses to it or
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they think they found the guy but he dies abruptly and then all the killing starts again 10 years later and it's
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this big great TV mystery but here in real life it's it's months later after Alan Lopez dies that police going wait a
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second we we didn't have the guy Alan Lopez wasn't the guy and at the very least he wasn't the guy in this Barbara
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Simon's case cuz he he wasn't alive and by the way the phone call that comes in confessing to Kimberly Compton with this
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weepy voice high pitch voice is the same voice we got in the it's the same M Mo right she stabbed 40 times with an ice
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pick so a lot of this stuff is lining up what's confusing though is that there's
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two sketches in the one sketch yeah so what we what we have here is we get we we're going to get to
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police getting a a true description of our killer okay so I mean if you guys see the sketch if you guys are Holland
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oats fans I mean if you told me that it was a advertisement for a holl notes show I go hey not a bad drawing of holl
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notes well and the sketch that you're seeing next to that if if I'm thinking of the same one that you're you're
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looking at right now yeah the the sketch that's next to it looks very different right than right so you get you get um
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John Oats on the one side on the right and then you get a guy to me that vaguely resembles the still unknown
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Connecticut River Valley killer like isn't that weird like it looks very similar to me but my guess here Captain
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is I couldn't find explanation for what that other sketch was where that came from my guess is that is a rendition of
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what somebody thought they saw of the man talking to Compton at the diner well and it's also possible CU we don't know
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how long was she at this Diner and did multiple people come up to her and talk to her yeah and so and this would be a a
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busy Diner like I said it's been around since 1960 it's a very popular place anybody some would say world famous
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anybody that frequents a diner knows how the Turn and Burn style of the tables right it's like it's fast food dress up
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at most diners right it's it's it's quick in and quick out for everybody and so here is where we're going to get a
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truly good description I'll get into the description of that here in a minute and
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the reason why but Barbara Simons her body was discovered by a paper boy walking along the Mississippi River this
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is near 29th Street now police know from talking to people that knew Barbara that
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she was at that hexagon bar that night okay and she doesn't come home from her bar visit alive she's found dead near
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the Mississippi River they go to the hexagon bar and remember the bartender there that bartender is able to provide
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a very good description of the man that left with Barbara so remember this bartender God bless her she made mental
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note of the dude after being told by Barbara hey this guy is going to drive me home so she provides a description to
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police ultimately what they're going to do is they're going to look for anybody that has a record you know anybody that
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they have a mug shot of that resembles this description provided to them by the bartender and they're using this they
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got mug shots because they're looking at persons that have priors specifically priors for assault because
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what do we know that our killer does he assaults our victims obviously Kimberly Compton having been
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stabbed but but the previous victim who survived being beaten so now we have this description of the person believed
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to last be scene with Barbara so this is very likely our killer the detectives come back and they show several mug
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shots to the bartender and she picks out a dude from from this photo lineup if you will and I don't know how many of
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dozens of pictures she she had to look through but she picks out this man named Paul
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Stefani so she tells police that's the dude out of all the pictures you've shown me this is the dude that Barbara
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left with that she left with this Paul Stefani the night of her murder and we have the call after Barbara's murder and
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during that call the confession to the comped murder so really up until this point police thinking that the killer of
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Compton was alen Lopez now this is not looking good not looking so good and and we still have a killer out there and it
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might be this Paul Stefani guy and what do we know or what does law enforcement know about old Paul Stefani well it's I
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mean it's quick you run run everything on the background you have his Li driver's license information so they
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know where he lives and they're going to very quickly put him under surveillance and we've seen this done in
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many cases where we have a repeat offender it looks to me you know there there are some cases where it's almost
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comical you you hate given the the situation the overall encompassing situation of what's going on but it's
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almost comical when the person being tailed knows and points out to police that they're being tailed it doesn't
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there's no way that Paul Stefani had any clue that he was under police surveillance there's there is every
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indication that he that he had no idea that he was a suspect in any of these cases yeah but the the NS thing here is
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and what law enforcement is going to learn really quickly is so we have an individual going hey I'm picking out
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Paul Stefani that's who she left with and all by the way he he worked at a company a manufacturing company that's
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going to be really important to this investigation yeah he at one time worked at the manufacturing company for which
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Karen poox uh even though she survived she was found near the train tracks behind that business it was a
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couple years prior to her attack that he had worked there but he had worked there
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for a considerable amount of time as a janitor right but but I think that's big if you're law enforcement we can at
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least connect this idiot to this location oh 100% you're you when you are provided with this description and then
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she picks him out of this photo lineup yeah you are looking for other reasons to make him an even better suspect right
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because again with these investigations we can sit here in retrospect and condemn and criticize and critique every
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aspect of any investigation out there but and we will do that but but the truth of it is what
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goes on behind closed doors is everybody works for somebody [ __ ] runs downhill
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and and when you need to get things approved you have to go to the higher ups to get approval surveillance is
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isn't free Manpower isn't free these things cost dollars and cents and have to make sense when you're trying to sell
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them to the boss who's going to sign off on budgeted items like this so you're not going into if you go in and and talk
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to your boss and say well this bartender picked out this dude from a dozens of photos he or she is likely going to look
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at you cross and say yeah really that's all you're bringing me why don't you go out there and do your job and bring me
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something better and I'll sign off on that so what we do know is that surveillance was signed off on
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Stefani and they start to track this dude and they're they're following him around but for whatever reason what he's
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up to next the police they're not aware of they he he either he lost them or maybe they ran out of surveillance
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remember when we talked about Robert Pickton they had only approved a three-day surveillance on Robert pton
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well if your target doesn't do anything bad or doesn't look to be up to anything
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suspicious during the that time frame then it's kind of all for not so now we got to go to August 21st
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1982 again now we're in Minneapolis this is when Paul Stefani picked up a 19-year-old sex worker her name is
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Denise Williams so a little bit different victimology here Williams she would later say that she sensed
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something was wrong with the whole situation when the driver the vehicle she gets into he's
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he's not going to where they said they were going to go to they ended up in a suburban area rather than staying in the
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city or going back to the city like they had originally planned then he turns down a dead end Road this woman this
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young woman she's worked the streets long enough that she she is incredibly Street Smart she's got a very good sense
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about her when things aren't right and and she's knowing that things aren't right so she's already kind of
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planning an escape if she needs to make one you know that's a that's one of those weird things if you read like
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survival books and and things of that nature they they say that persons that plan their escape in any
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situation prior to needing to escape it's something crazy like they stand a 30 to 40% better chance of
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surviving the situation like even with like a like a plane crash or or a situation like this so she's already
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planning what do I do if this guy does a b and c now she's stuck with this dude in the
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car and that's when he is finally going to decide to attack back [Music] Denise with big Wireless providers what
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the people in the front onwards and upwards Stefani starts to attack this poor woman Denise Williams and she as
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said has already made some uh choices as to what she will how she will respond if
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this guy starts acting weird or aggressive or violent she picks up a bottle so he's
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attempting to an unfortunately successful several times in stabbing her with a screwdriver during this attack
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she hits this guy Stefani over the head with a glass bottle causing quite a bit of damage to his head and face his
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already ugly head and face just got a little bit uglier so the two of them they're kind of rustling around they're
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now now it's a fight right it's not just one person attacking another she's defending herself and she's doing a darn
00:33:14
good job of it she's yelling and screaming and there's some quotes that go here she's yelling things like he's
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trying to kill me or help he's trying to kill me her screams remember we said that that he went into a Suburban area
00:33:29
with with the car with with her in the car these screams are they grab the attention of a man who lives
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nearby and now he he hears it he's an ear witness and now being an eyewitness he turns and looks and he sees this
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scuffle going on right and so he runs over jumps in this Good Samaritan his name is Douglas panning he runs to the
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scene and he's attempting to pull the man off of the woman who's being attacked and now these two
00:33:58
are in it together and eventually he breaks away from the fight the the Good Samaritan Douglas panning breaks away
00:34:06
from this fight and he runs back to his home he grabs a gun but the as salent Paul stf takes off
00:34:15
but Doug then calls 911 he wants first to get an ambulance for this poor woman right cuz we know she's been stabbed
00:34:22
she's been stabbed um unfortunately she was stabbed 16 I believe it was 16 time 15 times with the screwdriver Jesus the
00:34:30
asent thankfully has been he's been brutalized a little bit himself he was bleeding profusely from from the head
00:34:37
and face area after receiving a couple hits from this glass bottle from the the very tough don't mess with me Denise
00:34:44
Williams so Stefani he Retreats back to his home to his apartment and he's bleeding very badly he's in need of
00:34:53
medical attention so Captain Duma here calls 911 for an ambulance saying that I've been beat up
00:35:03
and I've been robbed and I need medical attention there's a whole bunch of things that are kind of going on
00:35:10
simultaneously right so this call comes in for this dude they know that the attacker on Denise Williams they don't
00:35:15
know that it's Stefani at this point remember he wasn't under surveillance when this attack
00:35:22
occurred but we have a very street smart woman who's able to provide description
00:35:26
of the vehicle of the of the attacker we have the Good Samaritan that showed up who's able to provide description of the
00:35:33
attacker and the vehicle and now they got this dude that's going to the hospital who oh by the way another phone
00:35:40
call made because he's calling in for help for himself and so with all of these things
00:35:46
going on police are able to quickly put together oh we need to go to the hospital and arrest this dude he's he's
00:35:53
got the same injuries that's described To Us by the person he attacked and the person that helped
00:35:59
her and so they go and they arrest him there and it's the phone a combination of the phone call the injuries the
00:36:07
description and both Denise and Doug later identifying the man Stefani as the attacker so further
00:36:18
investigative work would later connect Paul stepani to the murder of Barbara Simons right so this is going to lead to
00:36:26
a murder charge attempt murder charge and a trial that is going to follow during Paul Stefani's trial in the
00:36:35
Barbara Simon's murder case they called to testify Stefani's ex-wife his sister and a woman who lived with him for a
00:36:42
period of time they all testified that they believed you know they're playing these phone calls the weepy voiced
00:36:49
Killers phone calls 911 calls in the courtroom and all three of them are testifying that they all belied that is
00:36:57
the person and I know is Paul Stefani and it's super weird too because the sister who would have known him longer
00:37:03
than any of the other people who testified she says that she could recall at times throughout their their lives
00:37:10
that when he would get incredibly angry or upset he would go into that weird voice so what you're saying is it's uh
00:37:18
maybe the voice is more out of habit than it was to disguise his voice yeah maybe it's something he couldn't control
00:37:27
very strange though it's incredibly strange and I I also believe that maybe there is some level of attempting to
00:37:35
disguise his voice we we will never know and what's weird is there's he's an interesting cat in the sense that there
00:37:44
is a lot of people that have tried to come up with the psychology of this because it's not normal well it's not
00:37:51
normal to murder people but then add the added layer of calling in these calls to
00:37:57
authorities very quickly after committing these horrific acts but what we do know captain and this is where
00:38:04
this is where things get a little wonky for me in in the storytelling portion because we weren't at the trial so I I
00:38:11
don't know why this was how things played out but what we do know is that Paul Stefani was in fact convicted of
00:38:19
Barbara Simon's murder and the attempted murder of Denise Williams but not so in
00:38:24
Kim Compton's murder and I don't know again I don't know why that panned out the way that it did he is sentenced to
00:38:33
40 years behind bars so while he's convicted of these two offenses he is it doesn't sound like
00:38:43
these observations made by testimony of the three PE people we just discussed was enough to identify him conclusively
00:38:52
as the killer of Kim Compton but we're not done there because in 1997 Paul Stefani was
00:39:01
diagnosed with skin cancer part of this diagnosis is that he has less than a year to live he decided to confess to
00:39:10
the murders of Kim Compton he's already convicted of Barbara Simons but he remember he's convicted because he plad
00:39:19
not guilty that's why there was a trial so he confesses to her murder as well and then he convin he confesses to an
00:39:27
unnown victim Kathy Greening Paul Stefani had never even been a suspect in Kathy Green's murder yeah but again I
00:39:35
think this goes with the weird calling right after the the murder is it is it some sort of remorse is it some sort of
00:39:45
you know maybe I'll get forgiveness and so it's not it's not that strange to me that he would confess
00:39:51
to other crimes he committed well and and he's essentially given a death sentence even though it's not the state
00:39:58
that's going to kill him it's the skin cancer that's going to take his life so he he grew up in a
00:40:05
devout Catholic household yeah wasn't he the baby of 10 the information I had I think said the baby of six but yeah
00:40:13
you're right it was a large family maybe maybe my numers are included that might
00:40:18
have included step siblings that's true because his mother did Remar the thing here though is and I don't want to go
00:40:25
too far down this road of Catholicism because I grew up Catholic I feel like when people start talking about religion
00:40:32
mixed up with these horrible nasty people that like they can pretend to be religious as much as they want to or or
00:40:39
maybe they even have convinced themselves in their heart of hearts that they are religious and God-fearing
00:40:45
people I'm here to tell you that they really aren't because the worst sin you can commit is the one that they are
00:40:50
committing and sometimes time and time again so part of Catholicism is again not pretending to be to know all the in
00:41:01
and outs of it because every every religion is complicated but part of it is if you repent and you are truly
00:41:07
remorseful then you may be forgiven for your sins and so I really think that this was
00:41:14
not less of a helpful act on his behalf and more of a selfish act on his behalf of confessing to these
00:41:23
murders before he knows that he's going to die and he believes in in what he was
00:41:29
raised in then he's going to have to meet his maker and answer for and justify maybe his actions so I think it
00:41:37
was really just a selfish move but what it does help is it it gets the it confirms everyone suspicions that he
00:41:44
killed Kimberly Compton so that case is close but again the weird move with this
00:41:50
Kathleen Greening where he's not even a suspect now he wasn't a suspect in that case because there was no phone call to
00:41:58
911 or to police afterward saying oh I killed you sorry I killed there I said I wasn't going to impersonate him but uh
00:42:05
yeah yes yes finally that just made my day her murder was very very different from the other
00:42:14
ones that we discussed she she had been drowned in a bathtub inside of her home yeah July 20th 1982 her body was
00:42:22
discovered in the bathtub by a friend the next day and it was actually ruled an accident at the time now this guy
00:42:30
completely off the rails he has no idea again we talked about that paranoia setting in quickly with these types he
00:42:37
likely was very paranoid that they could connect this to him and very unaware that it was ruled an accident so he
00:42:45
never he never calls in they don't connect it to him but what police find after he so he's still alive when he
00:42:53
confesses to these obviously but he's still alive for a period of time after the confessions it wasn't like
00:42:59
confessing on his deathbed in his dying moments he's confessing in advance and they find he doesn't offer anything in
00:43:08
the way of details though it's just simply this is what I did and I drown this woman Kathleen Greening in 1982 in
00:43:15
her apartment well upon further investigation they're looking at Kathleen's personal items and in her
00:43:23
address book they find a phone number for a Paul S well his name is Paul Stefani and it is his phone number
00:43:33
that's listed next to Paul S so he likely didn't make the phone call in this one regardless of why he made the
00:43:41
phone calls in the previous attacks because the two knew each other there was a way she wasn't a stranger to him
00:43:49
like the other victims there was or would have been a way potentially to connect perpetrator
00:43:56
to victim in The Greening case the other thing too here captain that we that we kind of missed and skipped over on
00:44:04
accident here part of that confession is Stefani did confess to the attempted murder of Karen poac who who survived
00:44:11
the the first known she would be the first known victim of the weepy voice killer so lump that one in with the rest
00:44:20
of them I talked earlier about much has been done in the way of trying to dissect the py iology of an individual
00:44:28
that would murder and then very quickly phone it in to police and and notify Emergency Services the one thing that I
00:44:37
think if you really want to go down that road and really try to to figure this guy out the thing that I would point to
00:44:45
that I think has something to do with his actions the choice of pay phone that he used to call and notify emergency
00:44:55
services this this is very rare that somebody would do this right this horrible act followed by the phone call
00:45:03
another perpetrator that did exactly the same thing but in a slightly different manner
00:45:08
would be the Zodiac Killer he killed went to a pay phone notified the police his calls were much shorter less
00:45:17
detailed it was a confession doesn't sound remorseful you know he simply says I killed those two kids bye blah blah
00:45:24
blah goodbye well more taunting than remorse yeah but one thing that when we reviewed the Zodiac case that that will
00:45:33
that haunts me to this day amongst a a million other parts of that case but one thing that I didn't know going
00:45:41
into researching that case was the proximity of the pay phone in relationship to the
00:45:48
murders in at least two of those cases we were able to figure out from information that we found we're you know
00:45:55
we didn't we didn't we weren't the detectives that found this information but we found this information through
00:46:01
doing enough digging this isn't stuff that was just sitting there on the surface for anybody to find in two of
00:46:06
those cases for zodiac the the pay phone was in route somewhere in route from the
00:46:13
police station to where the bodies would be found and there is some psychology there that the Zodiac Killer in those
00:46:21
two cases would have been able if they turned on their Sirens early enough he would have been able to hear he the
00:46:28
police rushing off to his murder scene that is by his design and with Paul Stefani there's something very similar
00:46:38
there where you're right Captain he's not taunting police like zodiac was zodiac at the heart of zodiac he is a
00:46:46
terrorist and the taunts come with terrorism but with Paul Stefani he too in a weird way appears to be at payones
00:46:54
close enough that he would know that police and emergency services and in fact he's calling for an ambulance in
00:47:00
the first case he's close enough to the crime scene that he would be aware that there is actually a response to his call
00:47:08
remember we know in the in the one case police are telling us we arrived at the pay phone within one minute of him
00:47:15
hanging up the phone that's because he's so close to the crime scene I mean that
00:47:19
to me like I'm not going to pretend to know what that means it boggles my My Little Garage brain but I just find it
00:47:28
fascinating intriguing mysterious and and haunting very very weird and cruel and haunting Paul Stefani thankfully the
00:47:39
diagnosis was correct he did die of cancer this took place on June 12th 1988 he passed away at the maximum security
00:47:47
prison in Minnesota the Minnesota Correctional Facility in Oak Park Heights and that is the story that is
00:47:56
the story or what is known of the man who is now known as the weepy voiced [Music]
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killer want to thank everybody for joining us here in the garage each and every week thank you so much for sharing
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these stories on social media Colonel do we have any recommended reading for the
00:48:20
beautiful listeners we're going to run it back this week captain we're going to recommend one that we have recommended
00:48:25
before for good reason reason because it falls in line with a lot of what we talked about here this week in the
00:48:31
garage so this week we are recommending win a killer calls a haunting story of murder criminal profiling and Justice in
00:48:38
a small town by the great John Douglas and Mark olshaker authors of the best selling book mind Hunter we all wanted
00:48:48
season three of Mind Hunter and well we're not going to get it so this is going to be the next best thing when a
00:48:55
killer calls is a book that we have recommended before as said it came out in 2022 and you can check out our coverage
00:49:02
on this case as well we did a three-part series with the same title when a killer
00:49:07
calls that's true crime garage episodes 553 554 and 555 on your true crime garage listening dial that was from
00:49:17
February of 2022 when we had John Douglas on as a returning guest of the show we were able
00:49:25
to play some of the audio from those phone calls from serial killer Larry Jean Bell now at that time the
00:49:31
fulllength audio was not available anywhere else yet so that was some interesting heartbreaking stuff but the
00:49:40
podcast is just half of the story so check out our coverage of when a killer caus in that three-part series and then
00:49:46
go and get the book as well when a killer caus by John Douglas available on Amazon and audible as well and until
00:49:55
next week be good be kind and don't live [Music] [Applause] [Music]