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grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] Morgan Chantel Nick was born on
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September 12 1988. when she disappeared on Friday June 9 1995. she was six years old four feet
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tall 55 pounds with blue eyes and long blonde hair she had a protruding purple Vein on the
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lower left of her rib cage five visible silver caps on her molars that were scheduled to be removed later
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the Amber Alert in Arkansas is named after Morgan Nick an ay magazine article by Janie Jones
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titled the Morgan Nick Story States an old superstition says if you make a wish when you see the
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first lightning bug of the year the wish will come true but for Colleen Nick lightning bugs
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remind her of the night her six-year-old daughter Morgan went missing and calling Nick
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had this to say in an interview back in 1997. Ms Nick said she still has hope Morgan will be found alive
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quote you can't give up until you know for sure I don't want to have to look my daughter
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in the eye and tell her I gave up she goes on to say quote I don't know who these people are that
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think they can do this to our children [Music] on the day in question six-year-old
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Morgan Nick was with her mom Colleen the two drove from their home in Ozark Arkansas 30 miles away to Alma Arkansas
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Alma is a Tiny Town population was under 4 000 back in 1995. the town is nestled
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in the Ozark Mountains this is a rural area but Alma is bisected by a major highway this is interstate 80. and Alma
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is only 13 miles from the Oklahoma border Morgan and Colleen traveled to a ballpark to watch some little league
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baseball games with friends who lived in Alma they were meeting their friends there it
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was a long day of baseball with the final game between the pythons and the Marlins starting later than scheduled
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and stretching into the 10 p.m time frame they estimate that there was about 300 people watching the baseball game
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the crowd was involved active and at times allowed Morgan was wearing a green Girl Scouts t-shirt blue denim shorts
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and white sneakers Morgan stayed close to her mother hanging out with her on the bleachers the little girl enjoyed
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silly pranks and that night she was trying to trick her mother by climbing down by Colleen's feet and tying her
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shoelaces together sometime around 10 30 PM according to Colleen Morgan was asked
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by some other kids to come and catch fireflies with them apparently it was common for the kids hanging out during
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the games to play on a hill with grassy areas and a sand pile this is adjacent to the parking lot Morgan was shy at
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first she did not want to go but then decided to ask her mom if she could join the other kids yeah I saw it reported
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that the mom at first said no I don't want you playing away from us but one of the other mothers said hey it's common
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for the kids to go play over there yeah the tricky thing here is the time involved it's awfully late at night it's
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going to be dark out yes it was the common play area for the ballpark and these two kids from my
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understanding they already knew Morgan it wasn't like they were new to Morgan right so this was a boy named Ty he is
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10 years old and an eight-year-old girl named Jessica so I think it also helps when granting permission to go off and
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play in a different area that these two children are a little older than your six-year-old daughter yeah and I don't
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think this other mother was out of line to say hey kids play there all the time but
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baseball games are not played there all the time that late so this area is fairly well lit and Colleen said that
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she could see Morgan and the other kids running around from where she sat in the
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bleachers now she does admit that she occasionally lost sight of her daughter this play area was approximately 75
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yards from where Colleen was sitting but then the game ended now it's right around 10 45 p.m so not too much time
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has passed between granting permission to go off and play in the end of this game at the time Ty and Jessica the two
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other children ran back up to the bleachers but as Colleen quickly noticed Morgan was not with them when she asked
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the youngsters about Morgan they said they last Saw Morgan sitting in the parking lot she was emptying out her
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shoes according to the kids emptying out sand from her shoes and after that the two kids lost track of their little
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friend Colleen is now on high alert and she starts racing toward the parking lot
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given the situation the two kids just described Colleen assumed that Morgan would meet her at the car this is a
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Nissan stanza but when she got there to her car there was no sign of Morgan she looked for her in the area asking
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everyone if they had seen her but they had not the ballpark was clearing out and there
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was no sign of Morgan Colleen got the other parents and even some of the baseball coaches involved in this search
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someone with a cell phone offered the phone to Colleen and she called the police
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authorities were very quick to respond arriving within six minutes of Colleen's frantic call once on the scene the two
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little kids that were playing with Morgan Ty and Jessica told authorities that while they were playing a man that
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the two described simply as creepy this man came up to the three children and spoke to them well interesting since
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it's 1995 that somebody had a cell phone so that's lucky for them and good for the police to respond as quickly as they
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did do we have a report of what El creepo said to these kids we do and we don't and I think we can dive into that
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more later when we're looking at the details of this possible suspect but I think what we should talk about here is
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why he immediately becomes a suspect so from the general understanding that we have in this situation we have about
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300 people at this ballpark and yes it's allowed at times it's busy there's a lot going on these games are
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stretching far into the night much later than expected right this man according to these two children
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spoke with Morgan remember this this time frame this window of time when this little girl goes missing it's about 15
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minutes pretty short right yeah this guy during that time frame speaks to this little girl and the two others right
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now the reason why we don't have a 100 confirmation about what he said to the children is because police stated early
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on this guy's a suspect and we are holding back the information of what was said to the children by this
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man right because we need something to weed out any possible false confessions or false confessors that may come
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forward right he becomes an immediate self during the short window he interacts with the three children one of them who
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went missing and apparently once it is known that Morgan is missing has disappeared this man is gone too nobody
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remembers seeing him or his vehicle after they noticed that Morgan was missing right and I I think a lot of
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people would assume that this guy is El creepo is driving around in an El crepo van but but he wasn't so this man is
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described as having a short or clipped beard some reports state that it was a half an inch thick he's estimated to be
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about 23 to 38 years old about six feet tall 180 pounds slicked back dark hair wearing denim cut off shorts no shirt or
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shoes with a hairy chest alright so he has a hairy chest and he's wearing shorts he spoke to the kids in what they
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refer to as a hillbilly accent so I'm just assuming that these other two kids are possibly not from around there
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because I think this would be kind of a standard local accent because it is Arkansas the two children were
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from Alma from the from that area or lived in that area who knows where they could have been born in Alaska for all I
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know right so maybe but so maybe it wasn't common in in their local area yeah the the interesting thing here too
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Captain is that the two children were not the only ones to see this what we will refer to as quote the creepy man
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one female adult witness reported seeing the man as well she apparently also verified the description of the man she
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saw speaking to the the kids right she says she only saw him from afar but the important thing is she is providing
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authorities with a very similar description of this man later this woman was actually hypnotized
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by authorities in Little Rock to see if she could provide any more information unfortunately she could not now we will
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continue to revisit This creepy man that was spotted talking to the children Morgan being one of them we will revisit
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him as he is the Crux of our case of her disappearance other than the three persons we have already discussed the
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two children playing with Morgan and an unnamed woman no one else seems to have remarked about this to investigators and
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Morgan's mother never saw this creepy guy correct now nobody else coming forward this could be for any number of
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reasons it could be that this is a small town this man is known to locals and not
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seen as a threat and is really just a red herring or he could be someone who had a
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legitimate reason to be there that night so he didn't trigger any alarm Bells or
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it could just be that no one other than our three Witnesses noticed this man at all right the creepy man that we have
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discussed is considered a suspect not just because he was seen talking with these three children but also because he
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was seen by the woman when Morgan is there and accounted for then just a short time later Morgan is gone and
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apparently this man seems to be gone as well well at some point Morgan's mom also saw her playing so we have a window
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of 15 minutes now we have oh eyewitness seeing the creepy man we also have probably other sightings from Morgan's
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mother seeing Morgan play so you could narrow down this window to probably within a couple minutes of when she was
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actually taken a sketch of the man was circulated and a description of a vehicle that the creepy man may have
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been driving was also circulated shortly after the Abduction the Charlie project
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website States based on reporting at the time that Witnesses at the ball game said the unidentified man may have been
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seen near a red Ford pickup truck with a white camper which was about five inches
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too small for the truck bed the Camper's windows were covered with curtains the truck had a dull paint job because it
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was clearly old likely vintage they estimate between 1968 and 1974 and had a short wheelbase and was possibly damaged
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on its right rear end reports that it had Arkansas plates also circulated now it breaks my heart to report that
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Morgan she has never been seen or heard from since there are some really important aspects to this abduction that
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are key and unfortunately not very helpful to investigators no one saw Morgan leave the ballpark at all no one
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saw this little girl leave the ballpark alone or with anyone else she simply was
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there and then she wasn't well right and nobody saw her leaving because she was in the camper in the back of that truck
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it is usually reported in connection with this case that there were other attempted abductions around the same
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time now one in particular reported was that earlier that same day in a laundry mat in Alma
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there was a bearded man trying to pull a nine-year-old girl out of the laundromat
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and into his truck somebody stepped in intervened in this abduction was stopped red truck uh says
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his truck I don't have a description of the truck itself right also on the day Morgan was abducted June 9 1995 there
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was another attempted abduction this was reported two from earlier in the day this is in regards to a four-year-old in
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Alma the attempted abduction stopped when the girl screamed and was saved by her mother the suspect it's been
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reported resembled Nick's abductor the next day June 10th an attempted abduction of a nine-year-old girl is
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reported in Fort Smith Fort Smith is just about 15 miles away the girl reported a suspect resembling Nick's
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abductor tried to get her to go into the men's restroom with him but she resisted
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I do want to throw out a little caveat to everybody listening out there those three attempted abductions those
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are legitimate reports that we found I have some suspicions that there were actually only two right and that one of
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the the stories of an attempted abduction has kind of changed or you know been molded throughout the years so
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it sounds like it's a second report but there are two legitimate at least two of these are absolute legitimate the
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third possibly as well it's just important to point out here that we have at least two situations where somebody's
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stating somebody that looks like this same guy right possibly could have tried to abduct a
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young girl just within 24 hours of Morgan Nick going missing and we'll put the composite drawing on Instagram Facebook
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Twitter all that stuff at True Crime garage just a couple weeks later this is on June 26th a gardener claimed he saw
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Morgan this is Albert Harvey he's a gardener for state representative Wanda Northcutt he told police Saturday
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morning that while clearing brush from behind Mrs northcutt's home he saw a man trying to get into his truck he said the
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man had a blonde-headed girl with him and when the man realized Harvey had seen him the man grabbed the child's
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wrist and fled into a nearby Thicket he claimed the man matched the description of Morgan Nick's alleged abductor right
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police concentrated their search on an area around Mrs northcutt's home Searchers calmed the area on foot
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horseback and four-wheeled vehicles they used police dogs and a helicopter this article goes on to say the Nationwide
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search for Morgan has produced hundreds of leads but nothing concrete a widely distributed composite sketch of the
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suspect shows a white man with salt and pepper hair and a short beard driving a faded red Ford pickup with an
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ill-fitting white camper shell police find nothing during this search not even a clue or a lead
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then Albert Harvey took a polygraph afterward he said he made the story up he apologized and had no explanation for
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Morgan's family yeah that's that's so stupid again that's why we point out that they hold things back
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to to weed out the The Crazies the false confessors that come forward this man just wanted to be a part of the story
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right and he offers a false lead to police the aggravating thing here for the victims and for the families
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is that police efforts are concentrated On this man's bogus story well yeah the time and the effort they spent searching
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I mean your your lying [ __ ] princess this is less than three weeks after the abduction this is this is crucial time
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here being wasted on a bogus story right it's very crucial and also if his story
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is correct it's telling us something it's telling us that this perpetrator kidnapped this girl and that she's still
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alive and and that there's you I mean like it's false hope for the investigation
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and that the girl is still alive the Fourth of July Baxter Bulletin newspaper ran a story about the TV show America's
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Most Wanted which ran a segment on Morgan's case just July 4th of that year right which produced a lot of tips some
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coming from other states Texas Washington and Alabama any leads at police were calling hot
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were run down and nothing came of the tips in the information provided by tipsters then on July 7 1995 less than a
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month after Morgan was abducted a baxter bulletin headline read girls report kidnap attempt third such incident
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during last 10 days the article goes on to tell this was a possible abduction attempt in late June in Cotter and won
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last week so that would be late June or early July this took place in Mountain Home right the article does not describe
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the attempts just saying that the suspect in both cases resembled the composite sketch of the creepy man that
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was released after Morgan's Abduction the third attempt stated it's detailed and quite alarming taking
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place on July 5th and 6th when two men one described as 20 to 30 years old about six feet tall weighing about 170
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pounds with short hair and a black beard wearing a black shirt and black pants now the other man is described as
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younger possibly a teenager with blonde hair the younger man was driving an older two-tone brown car with Arkansas
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plates with 7-1-1 as the last three digits the two girls were both 11 years old and said the two men tried to pick
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them up in a Pebble Creek subdivision the report states that they try to run the girls over when they refuse to go
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with the men the girl said they saw the men again the next day after seeing them
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the second time they told their parents and the police were notified there was an active man hunt for these
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two men however Sheriff Benny Magnus who would have known a good deal more than what we have here to report
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stated he did not think these incidents were related to the Morgan Nick case boy
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right and let's unpack this a little bit we have several eyewitnesses see possible other abductions and they state
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that there's a single individual and they mentioned this truck possibly a red or faded truck
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so it wouldn't be that uncommon if the abductions were going to continue that the perpetrator would switch out
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his vehicle for a red truck to a faded brown vehicle but now you have another suspect
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with that individual and and I think that's where they're they're separating the two well I think
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that presents a lot of good questions about the description we're given of this creepy man at the ballpark right how
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much do we really know about this guy we don't even know if the vehicle description is describing his vehicle
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right you know this guy was seen on foot we don't know if he if he walked to the
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ballpark and then left on foot and the other thing too is we don't know if somebody was with him
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we don't know if it was a different vehicle completely yeah but we don't have anybody coming forward stating hey
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that was my Ford red truck with the camper on it we also don't have anybody coming forward saying I was the man that
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spoke to those children Morgan's parents Colleen and John set up residence in the local Firehouse for six
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weeks after The Disappearance and eventually Colleen moved to Alma full time to keep searching for her daughter
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foreign [Music] cheers you filthy animals make sure you be careful and cheers to the clean
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people too yeah not just the animals that don't have thumbs right and uh the clean the clean humans that listen to
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the show watch out for the amateurs and cheers and Happy New Years to everybody in 1995 there were two supposed
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sightings of Morgan in the company of a man in South Carolina that resulted in a
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sketch being circulated that is available on the internet with a partial license plate nothing came of these two
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sightings that we know of but then on September 12 1995 three people in a small town in central Arizona say they
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saw Morgan Nick three people reported seeing a little girl who looked like Morgan accompanied by a man matching the
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description given on the composite drawing driving a late model Ford pickup with Arkansas plates this is in Payson
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Arizona hundreds of miles west of where she disappeared police searched the town
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but found nothing well this is a scary suspect when you think about it eyewitnesses see a man at the Ballpark
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with a truck possibly a camper attached this this guy this individual could be a
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nomad yeah and really with all of these stories whether it be a sighting or another possible abduction
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I really just wanted to learn more of the details of such because they're really left out of these stories here
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and to see if we can find anything that matches up with what we do know about Morgan Nix disappearance and abduction
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usually what I find here Captain is when you have that type of situation where it's actually not connected to the case
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at all or followed up on and it just really goes nowhere that's why there's a lack of details
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because they're not really necessary to this story so one has to wonder is there
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truth in any of these other possible connections or even some of the sightings of Morgan Nick but it does
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show you the grand scale of this investigation and how everybody out there was aware of this missing girl
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right there is a story from May of 1997 and I'm not going to read the entire article
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because there are some details as as far as victims name that I don't really want
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to get into because again this is another situation that seems like it could be linked but we don't have any
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evidence to 100 back that up but I think you'll find this story strange and interesting this comes from May of 1997
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in Spyro Oklahoma this is where police were collecting ball game videos looking for
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clues in a girl's abduction right okay so yes this is another state away but remember we said earlier that
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Alma was only what 13 15 miles from the Oklahoma state border right and this is a town Spiro Spyro however you say it
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that will come up in this Morgan Nick investigation time and time again so that's why I find this story to be so
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interesting this is a abduction a successful abduction not just an attempted one like we've already
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discussed of a four-year-old girl it sounds to me the way that this article reads my first thought was oh [ __ ] this
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little girl was abducted from a ballpark just like Morgan Nick it sounds to me like her home was right across the
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street from a ballpark right and she may have been abducted just outside of the ballpark or from her home from her
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property regardless they were collecting you know Mom and Dad shows up with the video camera to watch their daughter or
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their son play sports film everything well we have an abduction that took place if you were
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there we want to see your video we want to see what is on that video what did you pick up in the background Vehicles
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did you actually videotape unknowing to yourself the the Abduction of this little girl
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right or people taking pictures of their kids playing playing games and what evidence is in those photographs yeah
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and the reason why I don't want to give out the victim's name here is again we don't know that this is connected it
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seems very interesting not far away less than two years after Morgan Nick was abducted right same type of area
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maybe same type of ruse used fortunately this little girl was let go she was found hours later on the side of
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of the Road apparently I don't know what took place during the course of the time
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that she was missing but eventually her captor dropped her off on the side of the road miles away well it's
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interesting too because a lot of the attempted abductions were coming were on girls around the age of 10 or 11. so the
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other thing here too that I want to point out is I can't say for certain that the this
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abduction is solved or unsolved I couldn't find any record of it after this this situation of them finding the
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girl and collecting evidence right but we got the victim back and and seems like she's unharmed I'm thinking
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of reaching out to her to see what information she can provide you never know because sometimes these things are
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most let's face it most child abductions are a a parental issue a custody battle where
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a parent takes the kid without the other parent knowing or allowing to happen that could be the case here
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but I find this one very interesting now we do know that in Morgan Nick's situation they did the same thing they
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were looking for anybody with a video camera with their camera to see if they could find evidence
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regarding Morgan Nick's disappearance on those videotapes on those pictures the interesting thing really
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the really important thing I think that we have here 300 people at the Ballpark of all that
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stuff that was collected we don't have any confirmation of this faded red Ford pickup truck on any of
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those videotapes or on anybody's pictures from that night which again I don't know it's not impossible I don't
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think that's a as big of a deal it's once you add the camper element this is a truck with a
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camper attached to the bed yeah the fact that that is not seen in anything is is
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kind of odd but again I don't think these these eyewitnesses were making that up
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I because I think there the devil's always in the details and when they say the campers the camper seemed maybe five
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inches too short for the bed of the truck that that's detail in October of 1997.
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the Baxter bulletin reported that the police had confiscated some items during a September search according to the
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affidavit filed in Crawford County Police searched an unnamed man's home and vehicle the man's name was brought
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forward to police by another man who says he was friends with this now suspect for about 13 years the suspect
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talked to the informant that's his friend or former friend whatever you want to call him about Morgan's
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abduction after the informant told police they set up a video surveillance operation where
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again the man-made statements about Morgan's abduction this time on videotape police used this videotape to
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secure a search warrant during the search of the suspect's vehicle listed as a dark blue
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1988 Ford pickup investigators found a glove and a piece of paper both with dark red stains on them which
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investigators thought could possibly be blood right inside the man's home they found a pink toothbrush and hair fibers
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on a roll of duct tape when they attempted to question the man he gave authorities his lawyer's business card
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and they were unable to arrest the man or even question him police are unable to move on from this man until the
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results of the test regarding the mentioned items comes back right this would end up taking about a year for the
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results and when they come back police are unable to link any of these items to Morgan Nick
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Captain this is where things are going to get wonky and that's the best word to describe
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this I prefer things to be a little wonky well in 2000 really wonky there you go in 2001 Arkansas authorities
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circulated a new sketch a new sketch of the suspect suspected in Morgan Nick's abduction I hate when they do this they
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did that with the Delphi murders as well Delphi they did it in Amy mihalovic's case we've seen this actually this is
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more common than people understand it to be often I find that it is a much shorter duration
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than what is this we're at five six years now right yeah but it could be similar like with the Delphi murders
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they actually had a sketch earlier they just didn't release it correct so this is this is what we know because that's
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where you really go okay they're making a new sketch maybe they're just updating
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the old one no they if you look at the new sketch that is not the same man that is in the first catch uh-huh that's
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obvious and they have said so they've said that is the case now what they state in this in 2001
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is that Arkansas authorities circulated a new sketch this one based on actual actual witness statements from the
00:35:11
ballpark and this sketch does not really resemble the sketch initially circulated right so
00:35:17
I'm looking at the first sketch or what I think is the first catch thicker beard
00:35:22
looks like thicker hair thicker eyebrows um definitely a different nose a wider nose
00:35:30
and a very distinct um Square jawline right and that's the original from 1995 and then and I
00:35:40
wouldn't say anything from that original drawing looked it doesn't look that creepy
00:35:49
then you go to the new sketch and it's creep City which is a wonderful place to vacation
00:35:57
with your family no it's not a place that you want to go to you can't fly there on any airline that I know of the
00:36:03
bad thing is it's right by Parts Unknown so the thing here that I find weird too
00:36:08
is we don't really know why these children describe this unknown man or potential suspect as a creep right we
00:36:16
don't have any details to back up that statement oh he was creepy because of a b and c no we just have their general
00:36:24
statement of a 10 year old and an eight-year-old saying that he was a creepy man yeah but
00:36:30
again I think if you look at the original sketch from 95 it looks more cartoony to me so I think seeing that
00:36:38
I'd go huh the creep Bells aren't alarming they're not going off but in this new one kind of looks disheveled
00:36:47
kind of looks like it's it's almost like a beard that it's the guy's not trying to grow on a beard he just hasn't shaved
00:36:54
uh maybe possibly receding hairline again slicked hair but it almost like greasy not because they put product in
00:37:03
it or anything but it's just greasier hair and then the eyes to me they look like dead eyes
00:37:11
but what's interesting to me or what I want to know is how we got from this first sketch
00:37:17
that looks nothing like the second sketch yes and that's what I really want to talk about here but but also we have to
00:37:25
on some level re-examine all the possible abductions where people said hey the the guy that I
00:37:34
saw trying to abduct this girl look just like the original sketch well one phrase
00:37:40
that that hit me hard not too long ago and I've repeated it a few times is and I found this during the course of
00:37:47
investigating some of the cases that we've looked into is sometimes we see what we want to see
00:37:56
even if it's subconsciously where when you're later asked what did the man look like well if he didn't look
00:38:04
unlike the suspect or unlike the sketch that was released you might say he looked
00:38:10
like that guy rather than the true statement would be he didn't look unlike that man right
00:38:18
so you ask a very good question how do we get from one composite to what is obviously a different man that is drawn
00:38:26
in in and released to the public in the second composite drama it absolutely drives me insane so I there's some good
00:38:33
information on that regarding in comparison the first sketch to the second one thing that I find interesting too
00:38:40
Captain is the first sketch we have a description of what the man is wearing he's wearing the cut off jean shorts no
00:38:46
shirt they're called Jorts no socks no shoes in the second composite we get no description of what the man is wearing
00:38:54
right originally when Panic set in in the community when Morgan Nick was first abducted within the hours and days of
00:39:03
the Abduction the original thought by the locals was that this had to be some Outsider this had to be some
00:39:10
Maniac some sicko pervert passing through that took Morgan and we don't have to be afraid because he's not a
00:39:19
local he's not here anymore when they release the composite a lot of that thought and fear shifted to that it
00:39:26
could be a local why the description of the vehicle states that possibly had Arkansas plates right then on top of
00:39:34
that when you really start to think about it too the description of the man shirtless with no shoes hairy chest I I
00:39:42
don't know I just don't see some guy driving from states away shirtless and shoeless it just pops into
00:39:49
this ballpark all of a sudden at 10 o'clock at night 10 45 at night and sees the golden opportunity and abducts this
00:39:55
little girl and it works out great for him nobody saw the abduction nobody knows who he is okay but hold on let's
00:40:02
go back to you you don't see a outsider driving to the ballpark go over that why
00:40:10
don't you see that well this would have been off of the highway it's not like he just happened to
00:40:17
happen upon the ballpark and these unattended children and then on top of that what I'm getting at to me shirtless
00:40:24
and shoeless suggests that the man could be local more so than somebody passing through I would agree with you
00:40:31
if there wasn't a freaking camper attached to his truck if that is his truck right correct you are correct sir
00:40:40
and the other thing so I'm saying that makes more sense if that is his truck and we have a camper hey I'm just I'm
00:40:47
I'm relaxing because I'm at home this is my home this guy is a he could be from that state if the license plate suggests
00:40:56
so but I almost feel like that this individual maybe went there not so much to abduct a kid but hey we
00:41:08
can go park at this at this baseball field and we don't have to pay for Campground yeah
00:41:17
and and now that I'm here and I'm just kind of lounging around oh well I am a predator and there's victims
00:41:25
all over the place the other thing I want to point out regarding the first information regarding our suspect that
00:41:32
came out was let's go back to our what the Charlie project website States based on reporting at the time the witness at
00:41:40
the Ballpark game said the unidentified man may have been seen near a red Ford pickup truck with a
00:41:46
white camper which was about five inches too small for the truck bed I'm with you
00:41:51
Captain I like the detailed information there right the Camper's windows were covered with curtains again I like that
00:41:59
maybe he's considered creepy because you don't see these campers all the time maybe they just found the kids found
00:42:05
that to be weird yeah I mean we did a big campaign last year about banning the van maybe it should have been Banning
00:42:15
the the creepy I call them Cowboy campers well yeah I don't wanna how about a band
00:42:21
the creepy camper that'll be a truck with a camper on it here's where I think that the
00:42:28
description gets a little wonky remember we're getting wonky here Willy Wonky the truck
00:42:34
had a doll paint job because it was clearly old likely vintage 1968 to 1974 with a short wheelbase and was possibly
00:42:43
damaged on its right rear end reports that it also had Arkansas plates I'm just pointing out here
00:42:53
Ty is 10 years old the girl is eight years old right we know from the woman's statements that
00:43:02
she said she saw this man but from afar we can assume two things either she's able to provide better
00:43:09
detailed information because she's older wiser more life experiences she's an adult these are two small children
00:43:17
or she's able to provide less detailed information because she's far away from this person
00:43:23
yeah what I'm trying what I'm trying to point out here is right I don't think that the woman is the one
00:43:30
that's we we have a statement from law enforcement saying we like her information that she provided because
00:43:37
it's backing up the information that the children provided us which could be as simple as a vague description of this
00:43:43
man and I saw him talking to those two kids and the two kids later telling police we only spoke to one man and so
00:43:50
that's their their validation for those witness accounts right I don't believe or I have a hard time believing that
00:44:00
this woman from afar saw this man's vehicle or was able to provide a detailed description to down
00:44:08
to the the make of the vehicle potential year of the vehicle I can get if she saw
00:44:14
in the distance mind you it's dark out right if she saw in the distance it has a doll red maybe orange pickup you'd be
00:44:22
able to see the camper you would be able to see the camper that's about the best
00:44:25
description you're going to get from afar in the dark so what I'm getting at is this detailed description I have to
00:44:31
believe comes from the two children I don't think you have to believe that I think it's also very possible when they
00:44:39
interviewed the 300 and some people watching the game that somebody said well I didn't see this El creepo by the
00:44:48
creepy camper but I I did see the truck and and this is what I noticed about the
00:44:55
truck so we can't a hundred percent that's like that's a possibility but we do have
00:45:01
statements saying that these are the only three Witnesses right there that night Witnesses of the man we do know
00:45:08
that police were looking for videotapes and for photographs that would contain any of the information that the
00:45:13
witnesses saw and couldn't find any of that I'm not questioning if the truck is there I'm not questioning that one bit
00:45:19
what I'm stating is I I believe that the description of the vehicle could be coming from the children if that's the
00:45:28
case regardless if it comes from the woman who's afar or the children the description of the vehicle is too
00:45:35
detailed to come from children or to come from a woman who who in her own word says I only saw the man from afar
00:45:43
she never says I saw his truck she never says that I saw him up close we're standing by the truck I find it weird
00:45:51
that a 10 year old or an eight-year-old is saying that this is a late model vehicle cool with a short wheelbase yeah
00:45:58
yeah I get that there's probably damage to the vehicle that a child would recognize that a child would probably
00:46:04
would definitely recognize Arkansas plates the reason why I'm going through this whole Tail Spin here is because
00:46:11
once you change the composite sketch of the suspect now you change a lot of what
00:46:17
very little we and the police know of this abduction or possible suspect you asked a damn good question why do we
00:46:26
even have a change in the composite sketch at all well I'm sure a lot of people were thinking that but the only
00:46:32
evidence the only work that I could see done on the reason why it changed came out in 2018
00:46:40
many years after Morgan Nick was abducted and many years after the composite itself changed
00:46:48
one investigative journalist and you can find these articles on today in fort smith.com Fort Smith as
00:46:56
many already know is not very far from from our location in question right this reporter and some of this information is
00:47:08
backed up by police but not 100 percent not 100 backed up not verbatim not word for word
00:47:15
just a few of the details have been confirmed by police in a statement to which they are kind of apologizing or
00:47:22
saying that there were missteps in the investigation the problem is we're not calling anybody
00:47:32
bad at their job when you're investigating something you are you are following a phantom it ain't
00:47:40
easy to follow the moves of a phantom when you have to piece it all together there will be missteps that's how you
00:47:47
that's how you eliminate the the innocent people from the one guilty person yeah especially in a case like
00:47:54
this I mean it's we have several people in the location but very few eyewitnesses and then we have this very
00:48:01
like you were saying it's very Willy Wonky situation where you have young kids as eyewitnesses now we have this
00:48:09
odd vehicle this truck with a camper that's just odd in general it's it's very Willy Wonky the description changed
00:48:17
according to today in fortsmith.com because it was not based off of the Abduction of Morgan Nick the the
00:48:27
original composite sketch that was put out that contained what this man was wearing and not wearing along with the
00:48:34
vehicle description came about from witnesses to the other attempted abductions that took place police at the
00:48:44
time having no information to go off of they believed that they likely could be connected
00:48:50
and because of whatever this to me also points out the lack of information provided to them from the three
00:48:57
Witnesses at the Ballpark yeah they're going with this because they have nothing else to go on and what they said
00:49:03
was we made the composite of a man that was seen in one of the other abducting abduction attempts showed it to our
00:49:11
three Witnesses at the Ballpark and they said yeah on a scale of one to ten it's
00:49:15
an eight and so that being the only thing and only information that they went off of right they released it to
00:49:22
the public it's a it's in desperation that they do this and they're doing this regardless if
00:49:28
anybody thinks this is an error a mistake or just wrongdoing they did this in desperation because they were trying
00:49:35
to find anything they could to lead them to this little girl and bring her home safely all right so you're saying that
00:49:41
this whole report that he's wearing jords and he has a hairy chest this is not coming from thy Witnesses of the
00:49:50
ballpark this is coming from the the other attempted abductions that's what's confusing here and that's why I question
00:49:57
the the vehicle description I question the clothing description because we know that the man's description has changed
00:50:04
what we do have is police later saying when when they say look we had to do this and this is why we didn't have to
00:50:12
do anything they I mean don't fault them they feel guilty for it they feel bad for it right that didn't happen I'm not
00:50:20
going to fault somebody for for doing what they believe In the Heat of the Moment to be the right thing you
00:50:27
could easily say that these attempted abductions We Believe are linked to Morgan Nix disappearance and what that
00:50:36
perpetrator was wearing at the time was this so the statement that the police gave in 2018
00:50:45
regarding the clothing because that's that's the next question that everybody wants to know well you you changed the
00:50:50
composite but now we're realizing we also have this description of a vehicle we have description of what the suspect
00:50:57
may or may not have been wearing does that change the answer simply put was they had a hard time confirming between
00:51:05
the three Witnesses at the Ballpark exactly what the man was wearing that night so rather than make another
00:51:12
mistake they chose not to include it on the new composite that came out five six years
00:51:18
later I could understand why people would be confused when you see something that looks like
00:51:25
jeans but they're short like shorts it's confusing well again a lot of people don't see Jorts the
00:51:33
problem here is is simply put what we State stated earlier nobody saw Morgan Nick leave the ballpark nobody saw her
00:51:40
leave alone or with somebody else right nobody heard a scream nobody saw a man grab a child and throw the child inside
00:51:47
a vehicle and speed off right but but you had that gone down we would have a better different description from the
00:51:56
two children and from the woman from afar plus we would have other eyewitnesses that would have noticed
00:52:01
something going on right when you have a situation where nobody knows that something wrong is about to happen you
00:52:09
lose some of those details people are not really focusing in or honing in on certain details at the time because
00:52:17
life most of the time is just ordinary this was just an ordinary moment until later they realized that this girl was
00:52:25
missing well I don't think so I think uh I think Mother's intuition I think when
00:52:30
her daughter was saying when Morgan was saying it let me go play and the mom said no we're not going to do that I
00:52:38
don't think it was so much that it was dark she saw other kids playing I think that was Mother's intuition that
00:52:45
something right something's not right and then she got reassurance from somebody else don't worry they play here
00:52:52
all the time and then she let her out of her sights and and but I think that was
00:52:59
some something toner don't don't let your daughter go play the other thing too and this is just a reminder like
00:53:07
we've done in so many other cases Amy mihalovix comes to mind immediately if you suspect someone or suspect
00:53:15
something in regards to someone you know or maybe you only kind of know them right do not
00:53:22
hesitate to provide that information to authorities just because anything given in either composite would cancel out
00:53:32
your suspicion well like like you were saying there was a couple there was at least one abduction where they say there
00:53:39
was a truck but they believed the truck was blue if the eyewitness accounts of the truck with the the camper maybe it
00:53:47
wasn't red maybe it was blue and and but that's the stuff that frustrates me because somebody could be reading the
00:53:55
newspaper let's say in 1995 and says okay well this kid was abducted oh I kind of know this weirdo he has a
00:54:03
he has a red truck or he has a blue truck or whatever color truck he has he has a brown truck with a camper it's too
00:54:11
small for the bed kind of strange but it doesn't match or has Texas plates or you know there's
00:54:21
one thing that's off or a couple things that are off and you go well I'm not going to call him call it in I don't
00:54:26
want to disrupt his life because it can't be him because he's not from Arkansas or any other number of reasons
00:54:33
and the problem is then you learned later on years later that scratch that you really know nothing about the likely
00:54:41
suspect right in 2010 Federal investigators this took place in um November Federal investigators
00:54:52
searched a vacant trailer home in Spyro Oklahoma for DNA evidence in the Morgan Nick case again this is where we hear
00:55:01
that town name again they zeroed in on this trailer because they received a tip they searched the same area again on
00:55:10
December 18th and 19th seven years later in 2017 and a cadaver dog alerted to a well that was found on the property but
00:55:20
nothing was found in the well right but they could be alerting to some remnants of something yeah there was nothing
00:55:30
found in regards to Morgan's case and apparently this tip was from a Narcotics officer who alerted police to the
00:55:39
abandoned home which belonged to a convicted child molester who was in prison at the time of both of the
00:55:46
searches the tip technically didn't pertain specifically to Morgan's case but because the guy was on their suspect
00:55:55
list they searched it right and he may have just been on the suspect list because of
00:56:00
where he was living and that he was convicted child molester [Music] I would like to know what his vehicle
00:56:06
history was back to our creepy guy captain in the cowboy camper with the faded red truck or who knows what he was
00:56:15
doing saw the creepy camper further according to the 2018 investigative reporter looking into the
00:56:23
case this is the one that I feel put out some good information you can call it a
00:56:27
leak you could call it speculation what have you it's thought provoking regarding Morgan Nick's case that I'm
00:56:36
hoping does not dry up this investigative reporter said that the FBI profilers that took a look at the case
00:56:45
concluded early on that the shirtless man seen talking to the kids was not a likely suspect really they thought that
00:56:53
it would be certainly strange for someone shirtless and shoeless to abduct a child in his somewhat ragged
00:57:00
appearance seems to indicate that he was likely a local who lived nearby what they are kind of suggesting here
00:57:07
Captain is maybe this individual didn't belong to that vehicle right to that to that truck right maybe it was somebody
00:57:14
that lived nearby that happened to be passing through on foot or had a reason to be at the ballpark right shirtless
00:57:22
shoeless is awfully casual yeah again I don't find it that casual if you're if your house is in the back of your truck
00:57:30
right but I think what the the FBI profilers are pointing out here is a couple things one we don't know if this
00:57:37
man that was seen that spoke to the children in fact took Morgan right that's just the suspicion two we don't
00:57:44
know if he and the vehicle belong together right three we don't even know if he had a vehicle there with him right
00:57:51
I want to get into some of the details of that night one I question immediately the time frame 10
00:57:59
30 at night who's playing a little league baseball game at 10 30 at night it ends at 10 45. I I'm not gonna lie I
00:58:06
question a little Colleen allowing her six-year-old daughter to go off and play away from her that late at night you're
00:58:13
right but that's a very good question because she questions it herself correct and I I throw no fault at her especially
00:58:19
when you have locals people that you know and trust telling you all the kids go over there and play look it's it's
00:58:25
lit we can see them from here no big deal plus the game's going to be over pretty soon right I think that the where
00:58:33
you would think that the number of people in the ballpark that evening that night would help you in this
00:58:41
investigation you know it gives you more sets of eyes more sets of ears I think in this situation it may have hurt the
00:58:48
investigation I wonder if we have if we have a crowd that's active that's loud that's involved in the game my
00:58:56
understanding is it was a tournament that was going on that day right and that's why they had played so late
00:59:01
because it's probably the championship game and they're trying to get it over with well not only that my understanding
00:59:07
is the game was supposed to the game that they were watching was supposed to start something like two and a half or
00:59:14
three hours earlier than what it actually started and you and I growing up we played in
00:59:20
soccer tournaments uh you probably played in baseball tournaments I was terrible at baseball that's why I like
00:59:25
to watch it I was bad at baseball too but I played in tournaments so now with me you watch
00:59:31
but regarding these tournaments and basketball tournaments so on and so forth we all know that if if the first
00:59:38
game runs long or if there's any kind of slip up in between games it pushes everything back and then if there's
00:59:44
another slip up or another game goes along it pushes everything back right and further and further and especially
00:59:50
in a tournament setting where you need to win or lose to determine who moves on you can't have a tie these games can go
00:59:58
Extra Innings well and you also have people traveling from out of town that's why I was saying that they'll push
01:00:04
things back and and maybe not use their best judgment because I look I just don't think it's safe to have that many
01:00:12
kids and and those that many unknown people in this park you know starting a game at
01:00:20
almost 10 o'clock so I've always wondered about Morgan's case one simple thing that we don't have
01:00:27
anyone that saw her snatched and grabbed and taken away we didn't have anybody hear a scream or a yell there's nobody
01:00:36
that witnessed an altercation between a little girl and creep man right so you have to wonder two things is it possible
01:00:45
that she went willing with this individual it could be that she thought she knew him she knew him he offered
01:00:51
money or a reason to get into the vehicle and she just went quietly and willingly right or did he actually have
01:00:59
to grab her an abductor and take her away and it was just missed because all the eyes are on the baseball game and
01:01:07
there's cheering going on and there's noise and you don't you don't hear a little girl's yell or scream 75 yards
01:01:15
away because everybody next to you is yelling and screaming it's just one of those tricky things where I I could keep
01:01:21
going back to what the sheriff has said time and time again in this case that it's such a simple case and that's
01:01:28
what has made it such a difficult case to investigate she's there one minute and then she's
01:01:34
not there right and we don't know what information we can trust from some of the witnesses especially when
01:01:40
it's compared to these other abductions the one one of those abductions that may
01:01:45
have contributed to the description of this man this is not verified by police I couldn't find a statement them
01:01:53
confirming this but what the statement was from the article that I was reading was that they were putting forth the
01:02:00
idea that one of those abductions was actually a custody dispute right and that later that's what was
01:02:08
that's what prompted police to change the composite sketch of what they later released saying this is from actual
01:02:15
Witnesses from the abduction or from that night at the Ballpark because then they later find out oh the
01:02:22
man that tried to take one of these little girls in one of these situations it was a custody to dispute that's why I
01:02:29
wonder if the the vehicle description that is so detailed if it may have come from someone that
01:02:36
knew that man or saw that vehicle up close and personal or saw it for a longer period of time rather than what
01:02:42
these children at the Ballpark saw yeah it it bothers me like like I said um but if the FBI is look they have the
01:02:52
best profilers they've done profiles on individuals where they they say some of the craziest stuff you know like we
01:03:00
think that the perpetrator's favorite color is orange yeah or he might have a disfigurement or a speech impediment or
01:03:09
he's you know there's all kinds of things that are interesting yeah but but when they're correct and and it's like
01:03:15
this very tiny detail of how the hell did they know that how the hell could they profile for that detail and so for
01:03:24
them to say well look we got no shoes we got no shirt we're thinking this guy is
01:03:28
a local guy again I don't know the ballpark that well so the ballpark from my understanding is now a parking lot I
01:03:37
was trying to look up the ballpark even if I couldn't find pictures from 95 if I
01:03:41
could find something closer to today I could not find anything yeah to get an idea of the layout and the size I really
01:03:48
wanted to know the size of it and what was in the immediate area because some of the ball fields that we played at
01:03:54
growing up some of them were very small containing one one yeah one Diamond one diamond and maybe two others contain 12
01:04:02
or 15. play a lot of baseball I kept wanting to call it a field court was it Court was it Court I was more of a field
01:04:09
guy no because yeah because some places you know when traveling for music and stuff like that I'd see these one
01:04:16
diamond in the middle of town and there was a couple parking spots around it it's almost like people just parked at
01:04:23
their houses and walked to the diamond and then there's a lot of other places that have multiple diamonds and so you
01:04:31
just wonder again because we don't have that information on hand it's hard to get a perspective but again I I just
01:04:40
don't see look I'm no FBI profiler most of the time I'm a giant idiot but I just
01:04:48
don't see that it's that hard for people to think if this individual stopped and
01:04:54
parked there to stay I'm with you the camper that makes sense that why wouldn't they just
01:05:01
throw on some sandals and you know I just can't I just woke up from a nap and I have no shirt on and I got this
01:05:09
hairy man chest and I'm going to show it off the wannabe peacocking the wannabe profiler in me tells me that this ball
01:05:18
field the ballpark whatever you want to call it is probably on the smaller scale
01:05:23
because if the games did in fact get pushed back to the point of two and a half hours to three hours delay right
01:05:30
if they had multiple diamonds you could easily move those games to an open diamond right you see what I mean rather
01:05:37
than rather than just making everybody well I've stopped there for an extra three hours but hold on I played a lot
01:05:43
of softball tournaments and sometimes what happens it's somebody that got into the loser bracket and they just kept
01:05:51
winning and then it became a situation where it's like well we think that this team you know you have to lose two games
01:06:00
and you're out while the team with one loss ends up destroying a bunch of teams getting and facing the team that only
01:06:07
has that has no losses and they have to beat them twice in a row so that might be a reason why somebody got pushed back
01:06:15
so far but I also question how again I people from this town will know and and hopefully we can get some conversation
01:06:25
on the blog about these diamonds and and how many were they and how how were they
01:06:32
connected to the rest of the town and were they buy a lot of residencies I'd like to know that because I think
01:06:40
that could give us a a better uh outlook on this case the other thing too that you have to question is the profilers or
01:06:48
the FBI agents that worked this case early on they unlike us would know exactly what the children
01:06:57
said their conversation was with this man the information that they've been holding on to yeah because again there
01:07:06
could be something very simple in that conversation of oh yeah that's that's my truck well the profilers are the ones
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saying that they think it's unlikely now I question a lot of this stuff because we don't have actual agents names to
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apply and to attach to these statements of we believe that the man that spoke to
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the children the shirtless man is an unlikely suspect but one thing that comes out in some of these articles
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Captain is that this was leaked this is not confirmed but it was that the man came up to the children and yelled at
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them because they were breaking bottles and he was concerned about broken glass in the area and in the parking lot right
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if in fact this is true that's where you have the FBI agents going okay he he has
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a reason he has a purpose to speak to these children because of their actions rather than something he's trying to do
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therefore we don't think he is a likely suspect there's a chance that the man just doesn't recall speaking to children
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that night or spoke to many children that night what I what I do call in a question is why has this man not come
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forward just like you pointed out earlier with the very detailed description of that truck if you saw
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that description of that truck or heard it immediately and that's your truck you
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know that's your truck you it's not there's no question about it right yeah well no and the camper also somewhat
01:08:32
makes some sense as far as like travel baseball goes is because you'd be playing this tournament and you would
01:08:39
you know one of my neighbors has a big camper and they got the big camper to start going to their grandkids sporting
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events and they just thought what a great way to go and it will give the family A place that they could hang out
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in during during their off times so it makes sense for a lot of the people that were possibly at the ball Diamond that
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night to have something like that there is a statement that I found captain that
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does offer some hope for this investigation and that comes from Chief Russell white he is the alma PD police
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chief back in 2015. he acknowledged that they have a quote lead suspect in the case but not enough
01:09:23
evidence to make an arrest right which that is very hopeful and and again but maybe we can create some kind of
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conversation some dialogue as far as the blog goes go to True Crime garage.com if
01:09:37
you have any information about this case even if you think it's very small put it
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out there there's a lot of intelligent people that visit the blog and put out information and some theories not not
01:09:50
not that we always agree with them but we I like actually posting the ones that I don't agree with because I think it's
01:09:58
a different Viewpoint out there like I said I think we can create some dialogue hopefully that helps maybe even create a
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new lead or a new angle that they could go after this suspect with after receiving more and more invitations to
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speak at schools and churches Colleen Nick formed the Morgan Nick Foundation which
01:10:20
is a non-profit headquartered in Alma Colleen said in an interview quote we still don't know where she is or what
01:10:28
happened to her and we absolutely intend to know that our message to Morgan if she ever hears or sees or reads anything
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about her own case is that we are coming for you and we are coming with an army of people who have been fighting for you
01:10:45
the Morgan Nick Foundation offers support to families of the missing and acts as a liaison with police in the
01:10:52
media members strive to educate teachers students and communities about safety skills and preventative measures they
01:11:01
can take to ward off possible kidnappers the foundation encourages legislation that protects the rights of children and
01:11:09
enhances law enforcement's ability to find the missing and bring them home all right it's so good to be back in
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be kind and don't let her foreign [Music] [Applause]