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[Music] spear [Music] this beautiful college student vanished Without a Trace after a night of
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partying 5 years ago her parents have repeatedly appealed for resolution where are you my sweet girl I'm I'm just
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missing you so desperately the mystery of what happened to 20-year-old Laurence spear has never been solved but now
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former FBI agent Brad Garrett and ABC's Brian Ross say they think they know what
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may have happened Lauren was part of a wild party scene and that in some way or another drugs and students using drugs
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led to her demise the Indiana University student was seen on surveillance video the night of her Disappearance in June
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2011 she partied at this sports bar and met up with several male friends but they have lawyered up and aren't talking
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about Lauren's fate why are they trying to keep quiet what are they hiding one theory is that Lauren was kidnapped by a
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biker gang after collapsing in the street on the way to her apartment did you shoot her no I didn't shoot her you
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didn't shoot her to do with her I don't even know the BR I told you that my Garrett says he does not believe she was
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kidnapped he says he was given information from a source that Lauren's College friends hold the key to the
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mystery he had heard she was at a party had a bad reaction to ecstasy died they panicked and moved her to the Ohio River
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they're 18 19 20 years old told the last thing they want is the Bloomington Police to come in find drugs and a dead
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c-ad and so we will leave somebody panicked and got rid of her waren was only 4 11 and weighed 90
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lb and would have been easy prey in an intoxicated State just a few months ago the FBI dug up Farmland in Indiana but
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didn't find Lauren's body Lauren's parents have given up hope that their daughter is still alive but they still
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want closure what they want now is to find her body and to figure out what happened that
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[Music] [Music] night tonight's case takes us to the great state of Indiana to Bloomington at
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the campus of Indiana University when I think of Indiana I think of State native
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John melan Camp well when I think of Indiana University or IU of course I think of bob Knight a
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school with a great basketball program and tradition I'm sure they have many great academic programs there as well
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but on a national level that's certainly what Indiana's more known for I do think
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of party school though as well um yeah I've partied there it oh you have I have not but I've I've read you know they
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they put out those list every year of the top 10 or 20 party schools and I always see Indiana hovering around the
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top of that list I used to do some gigs with this group called Ordinary peoples it was like a live hip-hop band and we'd
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play I think it was called uh the Bluebird in Bloomington and I think we also played killroy which will come up
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in this story later so tonight we have a missing person's case and as far as the
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state of Indiana goes a pretty famous case at that we are talking about The Disappearance of 20-year-old Indiana
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University College student Lauren spear mhm Lauren went out for what I would call a hardcore night of getting
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smashed uh sorry am I crazy to say that though Captain is that what you call it that's that's the only thing I can
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phrase this at I mean there there is having a good time and living it up but then there is also taking it to another
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level as well right that's what I call hanging out with Nick but but Lauren does go out with
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friends stopping off at place to place but there somewhere along the way of are hopping in campus hij Jinks Lauren is
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lost and almost 6 years later we are still looking for her we are left with a lot of questions about that night that
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she disappeared and I think questions about her lifestyle and some questions about her friends as well Lauren was
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only 20 years old but in any missing person case I think it's really important to kind of know their history
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and know their background mhm so Lauren was born in 1991 her parents are Robert and Charlene spear she grew up in New
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York state and in 2009 she enrolled at Indiana University when her parents Rob and
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Charlene dropped Lauren off her freshman year they felt that the University campus was a safe place but Bloomington
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like many college towns does have its darker side this of course coming with the the partying that goes on well it's
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a part of the Big 10 conference which Ohio state is part of uh it's very it's a very clean campus mhm it's a division
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one school so they're they're going to get a lot more funding as far as Sports go and that darker side usually comes
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with the alcohol and the drugs that are involved in campus parties now I don't mean to pick on the state pick on
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Indiana University this happens at every at almost every college and I from my experience this is very typical of the
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midwestern uh bigger universities the other question that's going to come up is Lauren was only 20 years old so how
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come is it for a 20-year-old to drink in a college bar I think it's pretty common
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yeah my with my experience I would say it's very common did you have a college campus bar that you like to drink at uh
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well I'm not a big not a big campus bar person but uh you know I did go to the Ohio State Games the football games for
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like 11 years straight now if we had a big victory I would typically walk across the street and go to The Varsity
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Club uh and kind of celebrate the win there with with yeah but at that point you were of age yes I was definitely of
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age but there were probably some people partying on campus that were not of age well yeah a bunch of my buddies when
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we're about 19 and 20 we'd be we'd hang out at Panini's South okay so big UPS to
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anybody that drank at Panini sou you just got paninis in big trouble well no it's closed now probably probably
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because probably why now the night that we are talking about is Thursday June 2nd
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2011 this is Lauren sophomore year at this time is dating well still dating her High School boyfriend Jesse wolf who
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is attending Indiana University as well yeah so it seems like one of those High School relationships where they decided
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to go to the same big university yep now Lauren and Jesse hung out a lot but not
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on this night Lauren had her heart set on going out she wanted to party it up get out and campus hop with some of her
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friends Jesse would not be joining her he was going to stay in that night it was the NBA finals and he didn't want to
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miss it that's a little funny to me not because you know staying in is is strange or anything like that but it's
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funny to me because I remember staying in and watching that same game as well CU you you remember Captain earlier that
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year the great King James decided he was taking his talents to South Beach so for
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two weeks in June of 2011 I was a huge Dallas Mavericks fan and I sat there and watched that night that was a close game
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uh throughout the whole thing but the Mavs went on to beat the Heat that night 95 to 93 to tie at the series at one
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game each now let's go through the timeline of that night cuz this case has some it has some hints of maybe a little
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Brian schaer to me does does it remind you of that case at all yeah I mean I think any college Camp you know any
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college kid going missing on college campus kind of you know reeks of that yeah it always takes us back there so
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very late on Thursday June 2nd Lauren is hanging out with her friend David Ron now David is a student as well they are
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drinking and partying at her place then just after midnight they decide so this is June 3rd now at this point
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technically so around 12:30 a.m. Lauren and David leave Smallwood Plaza this is an off-campus highrise where Lauren
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lives the two the two of them go down the street to the apartment of another student named Jay rosenbom Lauren then
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meets up with another student Cory Rossman Cory lives in the same building as Jay Cory and Lauren then decide that
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they want to step out for a bit and they go to killroy sports bar this is the place that You' mentioned earlier this
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is a very popular College bar surveillance footage tells us that Lauren speier arrived entering killroy
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at 1:46 a.m. right now some of our older listeners are going to be thinking they
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arrived at a bar at46 right this seems ludicrous well first of all Indiana bars they close at
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3: okay here uh at Ohio State or just in Ohio most of the time 2:00 by by 2:30 the bar is cleared uh Indiana they close
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at 3: by probably 3:30 it's cleared but the other thing is that there there was a big Trend um that I kind of missed out
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on because I'm a little bit older but you're 25 your name's McLovin but it seems like you know
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because I played in bars playing in the cover band normally you would start early you know about 10 o'clock and then
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you're going to play till 2 but then all of a sudden this like shift happened where people would do a lot more
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pregaming okay and so the bars wouldn't really start filling up till like midnight yeah after midnight yeah so it
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was kind of like you know this Jersey Shore thing you know t-shirt times Cavs are here and then you know the bars
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would fill up you know you wouldn't be leaving to go to the bar till midnight so this is not that uncommon well in
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Columbus though at 146 at a lot of bars you're you would be lucky to even get served a drink usually by that time the
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bartenders are just yelling at people to leave and you know how they just go and
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start collecting drinks and you're like oh my beer is still full that's when you
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just chug it so they arrive at 1:46 a.m. and I guess they have like a um try to go for kind of a beach atmosphere on the
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patio area MH so they go out to this patio area and Lauren takes off her shoes and they they are not there
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terribly long though according to the surveillance footage Lauren is seen exiting the bar with Corey Rosman and
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they they walk to Lauren's apartment complex and can I bring up something and maybe I'm way off base here but you know
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Lauren is a girl that has a boyfriend and I know that they're not hanging out that day but she is also hanging out
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with three boys right I I find that a little odd um I mean it's not like I'm not
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saying that you can't be F friends with girl you know boys can't be friends with
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girls and stuff like that but it's just like if I would have told my girlfriend in in college hey I'm going to go hang
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out with these three girls not happening I I guess I'm looking at it from Jesse's
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standpoint from the boy boyfriend's standpoint I don't find it incredibly odd I wouldn't think that you I don't
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think you're in the minority though I think that most people might find this a little strange I don't I think it's kind
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of a campus atmosphere it's a lot of a lot of people hanging out uh constantly you know uh yeah but you'd think like it
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would make a little more sense to me if she was like I'm going out for a girl's night drinking or something you're
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you're staying at home watching the game I'm going to go out with my girlfriends
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but she ends up going out with you know three guys mhm well when they leave the bar they head to her apartment complex
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this is just about a block or so from the bar now Lauren does leave her shoes and her phone at Kilroy's bar Lauren is
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seen entering the Smallwood Plaza at 2:30 a.m. and then exiting at 2:42 a.m. Lauren's apartment is on the fifth floor
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of this apartment complex for whatever reason Lauren and Cory do not go to her apartment it may have been due to an
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altercation mhm so the two Lauren and Cory they do actually go to the fifth floor at some point a passer by this is
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Zack Oaks he sees how blitzed Lauren is and he asks if she's okay right it's unclear to me that either the
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altercation with Zach takes place just before or after the two could arrive at Lauren's apartment but at some point
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they run into four male students and I'm I'm not clear if Zach was one of these four male students but this is in the
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hallway of her apartment complex right and apparently the four male students well they didn't seem to like what was
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going on or what they may think is going on and they start saying things and Corey gets smart with them and one of
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the four punches Corey in the face knocking Cory to the ground all right I just want to be clear
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on this so we got Cory Rosman and we have Lauren and they're on the fifth floor of Lauren apartment building yes
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and they walk past four guys yes now now they might be walking by him in the hall
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way or these four guys might live on the fifth floor we're not really for sure but they don't like what they see
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apparently and we see this way too many times on college campuses where you have
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a guy with a very drunk female mhm and bad things can happen so I applaud them for looking after her but this causes uh
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tussle yeah but who knows they they could have just been looking for trouble as well we never we don't really know
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that's very true but it does cause it does cause an interaction between Corey and all you know some of these four guys
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and they punch him yeah he he he I guess they're saying something to him and he mouths off to them and one of them
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punches Cory in the face who right but who are we getting this story from uh that's what's tricky here to me um
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because we here here's the situation right um Corey is he's pretty inebriated at this point M and maybe he's hit
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awfully hard or maybe it's a combination of both but Cory reports that he is injured in an altercation at the
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apartment complex but but does not remember anything of the event which which seems very strange to me okay
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right but he possibly could have been knocked out right right you know a com I think it's a combination of being drunk
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and being smashed in the face by by some dude okay from there after the altercation they leave the apartment
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complex remember we said this is at 2:42 a.m. right and this is Lauren's complex
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correct just a few minutes later at 2:48 a.m. Lauren and Cory are seen walking in
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an alley this alley runs between College Avenue and Morton Street M there are security cameras mounted on nearby
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apartments so we have this footage this footage shows the two exiting this alley
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at 2:51 a.m. and they are walking toward an empty lot mind you the camera's also
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Lauren stumbling quite a bit at this time so later on this very route that the two are taking later they would end
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up finding Lauren's keys and her purse along this route mhm police did not say exactly where along this route that
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these items were found but Lauren she she's falling down drunk by this time and she has fallen several times right
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and we have some evidence because of the surveillance footage but one can also assume that maybe there was a struggle
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mhm you know what I mean this guy has already got in a fight with uh some other individuals mhm and well
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eventually Cory ends up picking her up and he carries her so now the two arrive at Cory's apartment there is someone
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else there this is uh Michael Beth Michael is Cory's roommate Michael's there up late working on a
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paper right sure Michael you're that's what everyone's doing at that hour you're you're U writing a paper that
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sounds good for when Mom Dad read the newspaper article later that they you know they're not paying they don't quit
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paying for his campus living it is possible though it is possible anyway so Corey is pretty intoxicated I mean and
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just on that note I I would hang out with buddies up on Ohio State campus all the time and we'd be drinking and there
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would always be one of us that wasn't really drinking I mean maybe having a couple beers with the buddies but he was
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also working on a paper or working on some homework or studying pulling some last minute hardcore work there at the
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the we hours of the morning right but you know you're sitting there trying to Coast them into not doing the work you
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know going hey just have one more have one more just one more B put that down just one more have a cold one anyway
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Cory is pretty intoxicated at this point he is stumbling when he arrives at his apartment well yeah he's stumbling but
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let's just note that he if if the story is correct and we don't have any surveillance footage of him carrying
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Lauren right so that is just coming from the testimony of Corey mhm so he's stumbling which is noted by the roommate
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but he also was sober enough to carry her back correct correct uh he arrives at the apartment he's stumbling uh
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pretty intoxicated at this point and then he pulls an awesome move and he vomits on the carpet you know way to go
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Cory party Foul uh these well the these two are basically out of control wasted at this point Captain this seems like a
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pretty lame twers party to me uh I've seen you know I've seen somewhere between like four and seven party fouls
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committed by these two at this point along this night well I mean let's Okay am is this wrong to say that I would
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assume that Corey's motives are sexual as far as like you know you just got punched in the face by some guys mhm you
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now you claim that you you blacked out and you can't remember anything right but you carry this girl back to your
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apartment yeah and then you get sick and I would assume that if he doesn't get sick that he's trying to make sexual
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advances towards Lauren yeah and and I think you're on to something there Captain because what did we see happen
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earlier they were right on the fifth floor of her apartment complex right if your whole intention is taking her home
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or or getting her to a place where she can just sleep at all off well you were there you were you were steps away from
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putting her in her apartment if that's what you thought you needed to do remember she had her keys still at this
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point in the night when they were at her apartment complex right and well right but I think the problem is is those four
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guys that stopped him I think you're right you know I mean and I think that you know like I said there's a lot
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there's a problem it's a it's a serious problem on college campuses where women are getting so intoxicated and then men
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are taking advantage of that mm you know and what do they say if if you're too drunk to say yes then you're too drunk
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to say no okay so it's kind of that whole thing and I think that's something that people need to take a lot more
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serious and I think those individuals saw something you know may look maybe they were looking for trouble anyways
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and they just found this cocky Corey guy and they punched him in his face okay maybe sometimes when you're being you
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know you know a cocky canoe mhm I just made that one up um get you deserve to get punched in the face right but so
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that's a possibility but the other possibility is they saw something that they thought you know this drunk girl
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small drunk girl is in trouble yeah and and knowing what we know now I would love to hear a definitive statement from
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Corey that tells us why they chose not to go to her apartment after having been so close to there why did you not go to
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the apartment why did you go to plan B and all of a sudden now you're going to Cory's place you know that right you're
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going back to your own place but also it'd be interesting to hear a definitive statement from those individuals that
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punch the guy in the face exactly and have those guys came forward because you know technically they could have assault
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charges pressed against them MH so at by this point you know after Cory blows chunks on the carpet he decides that
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he's going to go to bed and I got to tell you Captain if I'm Michael if I'm the roommate I'd be pissed at this dude
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you know he comes home he pukes he goes to bed and then he leaves me with this falling down drunk person that he that
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was so drunk that he had to carry her home right so Michael quote unquote doing a paper that night now is left to
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deal with this drunk girl which he may or may not know that well now it sounds like Lauren catches a second wind here
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maybe this is the third or fourth wind but she's she's starting to come to and she's she's up now and Michael says that
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he is trying to convince Lauren to stay at that apartment to sleep over um you know just stay here this is you know
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stating this is for her own safety um she doesn't need to be out stumbling falling down drunk trying to make her
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way home in the dark by herself and that's possibly also Michael just not wanting to have to worry about her maybe
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he doesn't know her that well but he's just like just sleep on the couch because you know when you're in college
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there's plenty of times that you don't really know the person that well and they're passed out on your couch and and
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people go who's that guy yeah you're like well we call him Nick well that's not me but one time I came home and
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somebody was sleeping in my bed I had to drag him out of the bed and drag him to the hallway and leave him
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there no no but no but you used to come hang out with us on campus and you'd pass out in bathrooms and and we always
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stick pink pillow would always make you sleep with a pink pillow let's move on here so we're talking about these people
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not not us people uh so I think th you know this could be a good call on Michael's part if he if he in fact is
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doing what he's saying he's doing you know he probably just doesn't want to deal with you know the obvious thing
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here is you have the option of walking her home but but you saw the state that she came into the apartment in you do
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you really want to deal with that you know the uh the potential of carrying her home sounds ridiculous so probably a
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good call on his part uh he says Lauren is not hip to the idea of staying there she keeps saying that she wants to go
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back to her own apartment Michael Beth states that Lauren not only wanted to go back to her apartment but she wanted to
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she wanted Michael to go with her to drink more at her place at 3 around 3:30 a.m. she wanted Michael she she was
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asking Michael to walk with her back to her place and they would continue party there um around 3:30 a.m. real quick so
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we know that she's drinking some kind of booze beer or liquor and they also talked about possible cocaine mhm and so
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I I would assume that if she is doing cocaine I've never done cocaine myself but uh cocaine um that maybe she's just
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amped up you know yeah um well we do you want to get into my thoughts right now on on the the cocaine thing yeah sure
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okay because after she disappeared they do find a small amount of cocaine in her
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apartment mhm now part of me has wondered I would like to know how much is that small amount of cocaine is this
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something where they just found like remnants of this on a on a table or countertop you know where somebody had
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been doing cocaine or was this a small bag it was a small bag okay so that would answer some question question to
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me here because if in fact that was what was going on that night she may have wanted to return to her place to do the
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remaining cocaine that's there um I have seen people that that are you know it'll
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be 3:00 4 in the morning they're snorting stuff and and and drinking and it's it's like throwing fuel on the fire
00:28:49
these people can just keep going and going and if they're at a place or at a party I've been at parties where I've
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seen people they're snorting stuff and then that's stuff is run out and then you will see these people at 3:00 or 4
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in the morning trying to figure out a new place to go to a new party to go to where they want to just keep going like
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the Energizer Bunny All Night Long well right and and a lot of people listening might be thinking geez you guys hang out
00:29:12
with some crazy crowds but you know we used to play in a band together and a lot of a lot of the crazy nights that
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I've had have been you know after a gig hanging out with people then it was like
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you could get some free beer you can get some free pot you can get get some free
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Coke if you want and and the parties just kind of they go to 11 yeah well well and you know these after concert
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parties or campus parties you know that we we would go to when we were in our 20s um you usually don't know everybody
00:29:43
there um you're usually not a part of what everybody there is a part of right um so you just kind of see these things
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going on and you you take note of this well we'll get right back to Nick's drug addictions right after this quick beer
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00:32:18
so a night of partying on June 2nd 2011 turns into some early morning partying on the 3D uh Lauren spirit who ends up
00:32:28
going missing she is now back at her friend's house um and she is being left in the care of Michael Beth well and
00:32:36
that's because her friend Corey went on a puking rally yeah he's since gone to bed and now Michael Beth is trying to
00:32:44
convince Lauren to stay at their apartment to sleep it off on the couch she doesn't want to she wants to go home
00:32:50
she's actually asking Michael if he wants to go with her back to her place to drink some more and it's around 3:30
00:32:58
a.m. that Michael calls Jason rosenbom remember him from earlier he has the apartment that Lauren went to earlier in
00:33:05
the night at the beginning of our timeline so Michael calls Jason it sounds to me like he is trying to get
00:33:12
rid of Lauren um you know maybe it's late and he wants to go to bed uh but feels that he has to take care of her uh
00:33:20
who knows but eventually Michael takes Lauren to Jason Rosen bomb's apartment Jason lives just two doors down from
00:33:27
Michael in Cory's apartment right so it's not a huge inconvenience for him to walk her there correct so Michael goes
00:33:35
goes back to his place after taking her to Jason's Jason is trying to get Lauren
00:33:39
to sleep it off on his couch and then she can walk home in the morning Lauren again is having none of it Lauren
00:33:46
insists on returning to her place and she ends up leaving Jason's apartment Jason says that he walks her to the door
00:33:54
this is around 4:30 in the morning wa and look I don't want to throw Jason under the bus but again we have two
00:34:01
college students we have their their hormones are raging hormones right possibly possibly raging hormones and or
00:34:11
for the guy right I mean when I was in my early college Years I had I could say that I had raging hormones right but I
00:34:19
don't know that this is the situation for Jason he's kind of well I'm not throwing him under the bus but what I'm
00:34:24
saying is that they're it possibly could have been oh yeah stay on my couch possibly try to make some advances and
00:34:32
maybe she's not having any of it and she wants to leave I'm just saying that we have to throw that out there you're
00:34:38
exactly right so he says he walks her to the door and this again around is around
00:34:43
4:30 in the morning uh Lauren leaves his apartment Jason stands with the door open watching Lauren walk uh he sees her
00:34:52
go up 11th street according to the Bloomington Police Department apartment's timeline Jason Rosen bomb is
00:35:00
the last person to see Lauren alive hours later Lauren's boyfriend Jesse wolf remember he did not go out
00:35:08
with his girlfriend that Thursday night he stayed in well now it's the next day and Jesse is texting Lauren he he gets a
00:35:16
reply but it it's not from Lauren this is from someone who works at the killroy sports bar mhm she having left her phone
00:35:25
and shoes there and employee replied to Jesse's text Jesse then files a missing person's Report with the Bloomington
00:35:32
Police Department and that Friday night as Rob and Charlene are sitting down to their normal Friday dinner they get a
00:35:39
phone call a heart stopping phone call that shattered their world their little girl Lauren is now missing early on
00:35:47
police said that the chances of Foul Play were very great in this situation because their thinking is that otherwise
00:35:54
Lauren would have made contact with some one after she had gone missing so the police are expecting the worst right
00:36:00
from the get-go but then we learn a little more about the last night and the early morning activities and the goings
00:36:07
on with Lauren and maybe some of her friends when she was last seen so not only do Witnesses describe Lauren as
00:36:14
having been inebriated this is corroborated with the video footage of her stumbling Barefoot down the hallway
00:36:21
of her apartment building but other reports come in saying that she had used drugs at night and captain and I talked
00:36:28
about this a little bit earlier H we we weren't talking about the easy stuff no we're talking about some pretty hardcore
00:36:36
uh drugs being consumed that night there speculation of cocaine and also maybe ecstasy yeah and and the other reports
00:36:45
are stating cocaine and colopinto was not taken in pill form but rather chopped up and snorted now that
00:36:56
that that to me is like some Aussie Osborne 1985 stuff there man now we we all know about well there's no report of
00:37:04
her sniffing a line of ants but oh yeah pretty much everything that's right he he did that too didn't he supposedly
00:37:12
yeah so you know we we know about cocaine that's pretty pretty common knowledge there uh but let's discuss
00:37:20
Colin here for a second um I don't know if I'm sure there's probably some of our
00:37:25
listeners out there have taken L Ain before um it I have it's an anxiety pill um I had a situation years ago when I
00:37:34
worked at this very stressful job and every every Monday was a really wreck of a day like I would have to sit there and
00:37:41
Lead these meetings and and kind of instruct everybody as to what to do for the upcoming week but the whole time I
00:37:48
did these meetings this was about half of my Monday my two bosses would just kind of stand there and watch me lead
00:37:54
these meetings and it just I mean it really put me on edge because they're just kind of sitting there like like
00:38:00
Simon cow kind of just judging me the whole time and taking notes and not really saying anything and I found
00:38:06
myself in a situation where every Sunday the day before I was like a real grumpy
00:38:11
jerk face MH and I couldn't figure out what was going on but I figured out that the stress the upcoming stress of
00:38:17
knowing what what was going to take place on Monday was making me this horrible dude on Sundays so my doctor
00:38:25
and I talked about it for time and and she put me on Colin um the thing is I quit taking it cuz it it was it was a
00:38:34
weird ride because sometimes I would take one pill and I would only take it on Sundays and sometimes this one pill
00:38:42
would make me feel like I've had about five or six beers like like I mean you just take it and you swallow it down
00:38:49
with a little bit of water and then 20 minutes later you feel like you're intoxicated well with a you know the the
00:38:56
party scene has kind of changed a little bit I remember a few years back at least
00:39:02
the crowd that I was running with you know you might be drinking a couple beers but then people start popping
00:39:06
pills with those beers well like like what we were talking about on the last episode you know some of the medicine
00:39:12
that prescribed for a reason if you took you know had a couple beers with it it was going to send you off into Never
00:39:19
Never Land you know so that's kind of the purpose I mean they're not only are they you know doing you know doing be
00:39:26
beer doing beer drinking beer drinking liquor but on top of that possibly cocaine clopin and that and mix mixing
00:39:34
all that stuff with alcohol is going to send you on a crazier ride so I mean it's it's it's almost like just non-stop
00:39:42
you know it's like yo YOLO man yolo y you know it's just like just have a couple beers and chillax you know well
00:39:50
and you know me I really don't like to take anything unless I think it's absolutely necessary so I was skeptical
00:39:57
from the get-go but uh the thing that I also did not like about it was that I didn't I didn't have the same reaction
00:40:03
every time I took it sometimes I would get that very drunk feeling um and then other times it would just make me very
00:40:10
numb like just like my brain went numb and I went dumb you know like I just kind of just feel like I was way out of
00:40:17
it just zombie like felt normal but I didn't like and I don't know why I would feel one way one time
00:40:24
and complete opposite the other time and so I didn't trust it and I and I only probably took it for about six or seven
00:40:31
weeks and then I told the doctor you know we got to we got to end this and I'll just have to deal with this stress
00:40:36
in in a more healthy way right and back to the thing about the whole party and with it you know I had a lot of friends
00:40:41
that good friends of mine that could have a couple beers and they could take a pill one pill maybe and they would
00:40:48
just just give them overall body high and they just felt great but there was a couple times where like you said you
00:40:55
don't know how it's going to react how your body's going to react depending on how much sleep you got how much you ate
00:41:01
and they would have these bad experiences and then they'd tell me and you all everybody has those experience
00:41:06
where you drink so much and you say I'm never doing that again but these were like really bad experiences so the fact
00:41:13
that she's going from one place to another place and she's putting herself in not the safest of
00:41:20
conditions um I think who knows how much she was on yeah and and I want to be clear here though this kopin stuff is
00:41:28
not like your everyday prescribed medication this is a narcotic you know I had to get a special you know it the the
00:41:37
prescription looked much different that I had to take to get filled than than what other prescriptions would would
00:41:43
typically look like um and I'm going to kind of go to the far extreme here because I'm sure that kopin might work
00:41:50
for some people in some situations uh but I'm going to go to the far extreme part of of bringing up the bad the very
00:41:59
bad of of this pill this is from an internet article titled America's most dangerous pill kopin you can look this
00:42:06
up if you want to read the entire article at cchr n.org uh but I'll give you the
00:42:13
basic garage version of the article so kopin is a benzo daa Pine and I hope I said that right and according to this
00:42:22
article that no benzo has been more lethal to to millions of Americans than the popular prescribed drug called kopin
00:42:31
uh this was something that Stevie Nicks battled with at one point and she's been
00:42:36
very vocal about it um Stevie Nicks had checked herself into the Betty Ford Clinic back in 1986 to overcome a
00:42:43
cocaine addiction after her release the psychiatrist in question uh prescribed a
00:42:49
series of benzos to her first valume and then xan X and finally kopin and she battled this kopin addiction and and and
00:42:58
she had severe side effects to it basically trading one evil to another evil you're exactly right uh also in
00:43:05
1996 actress Margo Hemingway uh committed suicide by overdosing on a combination of benzo pills with
00:43:14
barbituates um weeks later we have Hollywood producer Don Simpson he did the uh Beverly Hills Cop uh he also died
00:43:22
from an unintentional benzo based overdose um kopin was one of 11 different prescription drugs all written by the
00:43:31
same doctor found in the body of Playboy centerfold model Anna Nicole Smith who ODed in 2007 we should throw a caveat in
00:43:40
there there was 11 different prescribed pills so you can't you can't really throw it all on the back of kopin there
00:43:48
and then this one is kind of close to your heart here Captain um thereafter we have well-known Los Angeles author David
00:43:54
Foster Wallace who was suffering from a profound depression when a doctor prescribed him
00:44:00
kopin uh he was you know found in his backyard he had he had hung himself with a leather belt that he had nailed to a
00:44:09
overhead Beam on his patio MH um so kopin has been DFW yep but yeah but the but now on his story though they took
00:44:19
him off one anti-depressant and they were trying other forms of you know anxiety medicine and stuff so it wasn't
00:44:27
like that they put him on kopin and that made him go crazy he was struggling with
00:44:32
depression for a very long time and it's really more the cause of his death is more the fact that he was on such a
00:44:39
archaic medicine right and then when they put him back on it after he had a basically the medicine they put him on
00:44:47
if he ate certain things he could have a bad reaction and when he had the bad reaction then they said let's try to get
00:44:54
you on something else it never found the thing that worked for him right leading
00:44:59
him to hang himself getting away from Hollywood in 2008 reports began to surface of soldiers returning from Iraq
00:45:07
with post-traumatic stress disorder who were dying in their sleep um these were victims of a psych Med cocktail of
00:45:15
colipan paxel and sorell uh this is an anti- psychotic that is routinely prescribed by VA hospitals so even if we
00:45:24
are not familiar with kopin that definitely gives us some idea of what we might be dealing with
00:45:31
here as far as this pill goes and the thing that really sticks out here to me is that having read the full article and
00:45:39
a couple of others it sounds like the experts you know the doctors scientists and chemists what have you they all seem
00:45:46
to agree that this pill is not something that they seem to understand very well or maybe even how everyone is going to
00:45:53
react to it well then here how about not prescribe it to anybody that would be that would be a good idea if we don't
00:46:00
understand it see this is this is the stuff that drives me freaking Bonkers man we don't really understand it but
00:46:06
we're going to give it to a bunch of people yeah and the the big problem I see here too is that it seems to have a
00:46:11
different reaction from person to person um and like I said just with with myself
00:46:18
I had two completely different reactions to it on different occasions so some some scary stuff it's it's I just want
00:46:25
to point out because it's a serious deal man it's not it's not like taking an aspirin you know and I think sometimes
00:46:32
when people see something in a pill pill form they think oh this can't kill me this can't this can't hurt me they they
00:46:38
give this to people right right but the the other problem with this and I've seen this multiple times I've seen guys
00:46:44
pull out pills crush them up snort them right off the table and that's not the way they're meant to be no they're not
00:46:53
meant to be taken that way but it's because they would they would hit the system faster or maybe even have a
00:46:58
harder reaction I'm not really for sure that's not my thinga those dudes are probably mixing it with alcohol I would
00:47:05
guess if you're snorting stuff you're they're they're drinking things usually as well right but this kind of goes to
00:47:10
the theory and I think we can just touch on this a little bit yeah one of the major theories is that she did OD and
00:47:17
that she died from the party in that took place that night yeah and so basically this report that you're
00:47:23
showing is this is if she did take this and we don't have any proof of this other than other than Witnesses saying
00:47:31
other than Witnesses that's that's our little bit of evidence but it's not like you know she's still missing so it's not
00:47:37
like we have a body that we could do a toxicology report and see this correct so we're just going off on that but this
00:47:45
is a drug that can be very lethal MH and especially lethal if you're on if you're
00:47:50
drinking alcohol with it yeah and adding cocaine to to this so this really leads
00:47:57
to you know you have to let the evidence you know lead you to something don't let
00:48:02
the evidence make it fit but so so the theory that she did OD you know is is a strong Theory yeah well and part of that
00:48:12
theory too is that Lauren may have had a drug problem um it's been pointed out that you know these drugs or or drugs
00:48:21
might not have just been the first time that she had done them this wasn't a one-time thing for her or you know just
00:48:27
a wild end of school year oh I did awesome so let's go no nutso and party and binge drink and have a long weekend
00:48:35
um it's been pointed out that um that she may have had a problem you know and and some point to her arrest she was
00:48:42
arrested in September of 2010 on charges of public intoxication and illegal consumption now I do want to point out
00:48:50
though we're talking about drugs and then they bring up this arrest but this arrest sounds SS to me very much like
00:48:57
it's just alcohol related type charges well you're right a typical charge that you're going to have on campus because
00:49:03
normally if you're going from bar to bar you're walking mhm and so there's a lot
00:49:08
of people that get you know um you know drunk in public mhm but no so that's not
00:49:13
that uncommon and I think the the fact that you know and who knows if her parents are listening to this but like
00:49:21
we we don't know if she had a problem you know just because somebody has taken drugs a handful of times does not
00:49:28
necessarily mean that they have a problem right there's a thing called experimentation and and I would just say
00:49:35
that when you're whenever you start drinking booze you know uh I didn't drink a lot in high school and it was
00:49:42
more like once I got to the college ages but you know I was in college at 18 so there was you know 3 years before I was
00:49:52
legally allowed to drink that I was I would say experimenting with alcohol mhm and through that experimentation and
00:49:59
still experimenting with it because there's still those times that I don't know my limits or I go past those limits
00:50:06
and so I you know I think to say that she had a problem I think is kind of um not responsible you know I think she was
00:50:15
at this the stage of experimenting it's definitely speculation it's definitely opinion based there's not a lot of
00:50:22
evidence on it and I and I point to this arrest as being the contrary it's it that's no you can't say that she has a
00:50:30
drug problem and then point to this arrest this doesn't show me you know had she had possessions of possession of
00:50:35
drugs or or found you know drugs in her system that would be a different situation this sounds to me like a
00:50:41
pretty innocent college girl doing what most college kids do uh sounds like you know partying one weekend and you got
00:50:49
caught you happen to be walk past the wrong officer right and you have happen to be underage and that's probably why
00:50:55
they took notice of her I mean she was a very small individual very petite she was 411 she was they claim about 90 lbs
00:51:03
i' I'd guess at this point she's probably about 100 105 because you're going to put on some weight once you're
00:51:09
in college and if she's drinking a bunch mhm I'd say she was probably about 100 PB uh some of the same witnesses that
00:51:16
told police that she was using the night of her disappearance also stated that she had been using the same or similar
00:51:23
drugs regularly Le up to that night but what does that mean is that for a couple
00:51:29
months is that for a couple weeks again with this case um we have these witness statements and we don't have names to
00:51:38
put to these Witnesses we also have very pretty vague statements and the thing here is that that my big caveat to
00:51:46
everyone and this was to myself included when I was researching this case was when they say
00:51:53
Witnesses well I want to name I don't just don't just lump everybody into a category of witnesses because guess what
00:51:59
we have three guys that are under some suspicion and well four if you include the boyfriend um so we have four guys
00:52:08
that are under some suspicion now if your Witnesses are those four guys I don't like you know it's tough when
00:52:15
Witnesses might be suspects as well because then you don't know their motive for saying certain things right right
00:52:21
and and so the thing is is like you know let's just talk about the ex-boyfriend for a second what I mean let's say I
00:52:29
mean for all we know she was doing this for let's say a month or so and maybe he
00:52:33
didn't really approve of it and that's possibly one of the reasons he didn't want to go hang out with her MH I mean
00:52:38
who knows but we and like you said that's the such a frustrating thing when you're looking up some of this stuff a
00:52:43
witness said well who was the damn witness right you know because that really changes the Outlook and and a lot
00:52:51
of times as armchair detectives I think all of us would know this when you start
00:52:56
diving to a case you know some cases just don't have much at all but then other ones like in this scenario we have
00:53:04
a bunch of witness accounts but we don't know who it's coming from so we don't even have any way that we can lean one
00:53:10
way or the other is this true or you don't know how much weight to put into those different statements yeah and that
00:53:16
makes it a lot harder to form opinions you know yeah the the the cocaine in her apartment found afterwards does present
00:53:25
a problem it does Point towards maybe some regular use um to certainly to me I don't believe this was her first rodo
00:53:33
you know I agree I agree because I I don't think you I don't know I can't it's you can't speak for everybody but
00:53:40
it's just hard for me to believe that maybe somebody goes from maybe a hardcore binge Drinker party person to
00:53:47
all of a sudden now things are going up the nose and it's different it's a different mixture of things it's not
00:53:53
just it doesn't seem so EXP experimental to me now speaking of the boyfriend Jesse wolf um his mother alleged that
00:54:02
Lauren had been had been asked to leave or I guess maybe sent home would be better way to phrase it uh there was a
00:54:10
summer camp that they had attended at one point and this was when they were miners and she had well she's well okay
00:54:18
yeah before you know before she was 18 however she was asked to leave this summer camp uh you know
00:54:25
again I this was she was asked to leave because of drug use now I'm a little on the fence with this again I don't know
00:54:32
that this points towards some kind of Hardcore drug addict uh when I hear summer camp and I hear a kid getting
00:54:38
sent home that like immediately screams smoking pot to me you know what I mean like I was actually going to say even
00:54:46
cigarette right right because you know I actually attended a it wasn't a band camp but it was it was a Arts camp for
00:54:55
uh musicians for painters for ballet dancers and all the all that stuff ballerinas um and the big thing was it
00:55:04
was like a two-e camp so anybody that like ever smoked you know was like oh well you can't have a cigarette for two
00:55:10
weeks but if somebody could get one from like one of the camp counselors then it's like you're meeting up with a bunch
00:55:17
of people to go share a cigarette in the bathroom and and if that happened like every four or five days it was like big
00:55:25
deal you know like you're you're one of the bad kids um but if we would have got
00:55:29
caught they probably would have sent us home and they might have even said for drug use summer camp just doesn't sound
00:55:36
to Me Like Somebody packing cocaine and bringing it with them and again I don't know anything I don't have any evidence
00:55:42
to point towards anything all we are hearing is what Jesse's mother is saying now well the well well at least we know
00:55:50
who that comment is coming from yeah because cuz there is there is some weight to the the fact that like we said
00:55:57
there's four guys that are major suspects that we have to really consider one being the
00:56:02
ex-boyfriend and to me this is drawing light away from him as a possible suspect and more putting the blame on
00:56:10
her and but the thing here though too Captain is again it's another very vague statement when you leave these vague
00:56:18
statements you allow people's imaginations to run wild and maybe people start making leaps and connecting
00:56:24
things that they that really have no relevance to one another you know when you hear she's asked to leave summer
00:56:29
camp because of drug use and then you're like well she she was they found cocaine
00:56:34
in her apartment well this kid's been doing cocaine for years right when really I don't think I see a situation
00:56:40
here of you know I'd like to know some more of the details was this just simply a group of kids standing around sharing
00:56:46
a sharing a joint and she happen to be the one that got caught with it in her hand at the time yeah or was she just in
00:56:52
the circle yeah or did did everybody get or did they find something in her in her
00:56:57
bag that she packed or you know it's a whole sway either way or maybe they find 500 pounds of cocaine in a
00:57:05
bag that's a lot of cocaine but but what I'm saying is it can go either way it go
00:57:11
from something pretty innocent to something something yeah she was smuggling you know she's running a whole
00:57:15
cartel you know and we should also talk about the initial police theories here um you know and we'll dive into each one
00:57:22
of these more on tomorrow's show but just just kind of to throw this out there for
00:57:27
something to think about um you know when we have these missing persons cases there's usually a lot of theories well
00:57:35
the police start off this situation by working under under just a few simple theories uh the first being the foul
00:57:43
play Theory uh remember they had originally said that they expected Foul Play because she had not communicated
00:57:48
with anyone right uh the second theory would be that the Inner Circle Theory um someone in her Inner Circle did
00:57:55
something bad to her um this could this could mean the boyfriend this could mean
00:58:00
any of those other friends that she was hanging out with that night a third theory is one that's probably common
00:58:06
amongst college campuses uh but this would be the somebody drugged her at the bar that that somebody would have put
00:58:14
something in her drink or drugged her somewhere along the night uh that she was out partying yeah very possible uh
00:58:21
and the fourth Theory being a possible overdose um and that persons with her or somebody
00:58:28
with her tried to cover up the fact that she died from an overdose and they got scared and dumped or hide hid her body
00:58:36
somewhere so we have four theories we have four suspects we got a lot to chew on till tomorrow we got a lot to dive
00:58:44
into this case is just getting started M and a quick description of Lauren of the
00:58:50
night that she went missing uh so everybody knows what we're looking for here Lauren speo is described as a
00:58:56
Caucasian female who is 4 feet 11 inches tall with a slender build she has blue eyes and blonde hair she was last seen
00:59:05
wearing a white tank top with a light colored shirt over top of it and black stretch pants anyone with information on
00:59:13
her whereabouts is asked to call the Bloomington Police Department at 812 339 4477 and for more information you can
00:59:23
also visit lauren.com and I hate to do it I don't want to do it but uh you have to do it I have to make a
00:59:32
correction I had a I have a I have a giant foot and my giant mouth cuz you know what happened when I was
00:59:40
researching this case MH I made this statement and I was kind of I was kind of a little pissed off and I made this
00:59:46
statement on on National Woman's Day right two weeks ago two weeks ago and uh and I I called Kim K's ass fat which I
00:59:56
mean I'm not saying I don't like looking at it but it you know it's nice ass anyways it's not small it's not a small
01:00:03
ass but uh I said if celebrities you know which you know you know Talent or not you know she has
01:00:11
power if she used her power for some good and maybe when somebody went missing if some of these celebrities
01:00:17
would use their power to tweet this stuff out or put a blast on Instagram or anything like that that's I said you
01:00:25
said that you you were that they should do this they they should and and so that's what I said and then as I'm
01:00:33
researching Lauren's case guess who tweeted about this case Kim Kardashian so I want to go on record by saying that
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Kim Kardashian did tweet about a missing person case uh I think that's very commendable
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of her yes we applaud and I applaud her and I apologize for those NE negative comments well the thing is well that's
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very nice and she didn't ruin Kanye's career Kanye ruined Kanye's career but other than that I I applaud her and I I
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will admit when I'm wrong and she but she tweeted about this case years ago you just happened to come across it when
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you were doing your research it wasn't it wasn't like she's reacting to the captain right no but it was just she
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doesn't know who the captain is it was just the fact that it's just very odd that you know we we pick a case two
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weeks ago I bring up Kim Kardashian for whatever reason I don't even what a random thought I don't even remember I
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you know I don't even know how she popped into my head and I brought her up I was just thinking about a celebrity
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that could use their power for some some good and then two weeks later it smacks
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me in the face that oh by the way you idiot if you did any research on her she has been trying to use her powers for
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some good so I apologize I was wrong how does that Crow taste Captain I mean when I was reading I mean
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I was reading about it and I read Kim Kardashian you know this case got Lauren's case got so popular that Kim
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Kardashian even pop you know uh posted some stuff about it and I didn't believe the article I was reading and then I was
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watching that 2020 on this case and they talk about it Ryan C Crest and I went a
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[ __ ] the lesson here we shouldn't be so quick to judge yeah I shouldn't be so judgmental all right let's wrap this up
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so we can start on part two all right you beautiful people thank you guys for listening thanks for telling a friend
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