00:00:41
Welcome to True Crime Garage. Wherever you are, whatever you are doing, thank you for listening. I'm your host Nick
00:00:47
and with me as always is a man who has trimmed the edges of many small villages. He is the Captain. They call
00:00:53
me El Guapo. It's good to be seen and it's good to see you. Thanks for listening. Thanks for telling a friend.
00:01:04
Today we are very proud to be featuring 120 days dry-aged stout. This is from the brilliant mad scientist over at Evil
00:01:12
Twin Brewing. Ladies and gentlemen, this is not a beer. This is an experience. This is an Imperial stout brewed with
00:01:20
dry-aged malt. It's roasted chocolate, a little burnt, really not dry at all in my opinion, but it is definitely boozy.
00:01:28
ABV 17.5% Only, and I repeat, only drink this one at home in your own garage. Garage grade
00:01:37
four and three quarter bottle caps out of five. And this experience was brought to us by a handful of our good garage
00:01:44
friends like Laura in Kalamazoo, Michigan. And a big shout out to Sydney from Bend, Oregon. Next up we have Kathy
00:01:52
in Kennewick, Iowa. Kathy says, "Nick, if you can't pronounce that, I will just be from parts unknown." Well, I gave it
00:01:59
a shot, Kathy. Hopefully I got close. And a big we like your jib to Natalie from New York, New York. Next up we have
00:02:06
Hillary from Louisville, Kentucky and last but not least we have And last but not least we have Sarah
00:02:14
from Great Falls, Montana. Everybody that we just mentioned went to truecrimegarage.com
00:02:20
and donated to this week's beer fund and for that we thank you. And we're a little bit behind on the beer fund shout
00:02:26
out, so be patient, you filthy animals. And that is enough of the business. All right, everybody gather around, grab
00:02:33
a chair, grab a beer. Let's talk some true crime. A real estate agent gets a call from a
00:03:09
potential buyer. The young, ambitious real estate agent receives the type of call that all
00:03:15
realtors dream of. A motivated buyer wants to purchase a home and has a large budget.
00:03:24
The buyer wants to find a place fast. But things that seem too good to be true are usually just that.
00:03:34
The agent met with some mysterious clients to show them a beautiful home that met their specifications.
00:03:42
But once inside the agent was brutally and viciously killed. Her attackers fled into the night.
00:03:52
Who would want to kill this pretty and vivacious young professional? And why would they set up a sham real
00:03:59
estate deal to get to her? And probably the most important thing to ask is why would anyone want her dead?
00:04:10
With this crime, it appears that motive may be the fastest road to finding the killer.
00:04:18
This week we will be discussing the true story of the unsolved murder of Lindsay
00:04:24
Buziak. The investigation into her killing has been almost lost in the sheer volume
00:04:32
of misinformation out there surrounding this case. It is rare to find a case that is so
00:04:39
cluttered with false facts unfounded rumors baseless allegations and downright contradictory evidence.
00:04:48
What you will hear this week is not what you will hear elsewhere. We will discuss the actual concrete
00:04:56
facts as stated by police investigators and sources close to the investigation. All of the other stuff, the rumors and
00:05:04
unsubstantiated innuendo we will get into that when necessary. If you've heard of the case of Lindsay
00:05:11
Buziak or even if you have not get ready for the truth surrounding this case. This is True Crime Garage and this is
00:05:21
the case of Lindsay Buziak. Victoria is the capital city of British Columbia, the Canadian province, located
00:05:44
on the southernmost tip of Vancouver Island. This is close proximity to Seattle on the US side of the border and
00:05:51
to the large Canadian city of Vancouver across the water. Victoria has a large population of over 350,000
00:06:00
in its greater metro area. But it feels smaller and more intimate than its number suggest. Most people are
00:06:08
connected somehow and know or are acquainted with many other locals. In other words, everyone pretty much knows
00:06:16
each other or knows of one another. On February 2nd, 2008 a 24-year-old realtor named Lindsay
00:06:25
Buziak was scheduled to show a house to some potential clients. Lindsay was new to the business. She
00:06:32
started about a year before and at this time she had not sold that many homes yet.
00:06:38
But she loved the job and she was enthusiastic about her future in the residential housing business.
00:06:45
Lindsay was a very outgoing young woman who was energetic and ambitious and she had a lot of friends. She also had a
00:06:53
sister named Sarah with whom she was very close. And she was also close with her mother, Evelyn,
00:07:00
who lived in the area. And she had a good relationship with her father, Jeff. Lindsay's parents were divorced and
00:07:07
lived hundreds of miles apart. Lindsay mentioned to some colleagues and friends that she was excited because she had
00:07:14
been contacted by some very motivated potential new clients. This has been backed up in interviews with her close
00:07:21
circle. Lindsay received a call on Friday, February 1st. The call was from a woman and from Lindsay's notes in her
00:07:29
day planner and from what friends and colleagues have related, we can piece together the conversations she had with
00:07:36
this female client. The woman caller spoke in a thick accent that Lindsay could not specifically
00:07:42
identify but which led her to nickname the woman and her husband the Mexicans in her cell phone.
00:07:50
This woman called Lindsay out of the blue. She said that she and her husband were coming to the area for three days
00:07:57
to look at houses. They were beneficiaries of a corporate relocation package and they had to find
00:08:04
a house very quickly. She specified that they sought a new three-bedroom, three-bath home which was
00:08:12
move-in ready 15 to 20 minutes from downtown with a large master bedroom and a separate
00:08:19
space for a housekeeper. What truly perked Lindsay's ears, the woman said they could spend up to $1
00:08:26
million on a home. Now Lindsay did not receive this call on her business phone line at the RE/MAX
00:08:34
office that she worked out of. She received this call on her personal cell phone.
00:08:39
Her cell number was available posted publicly on some of her listings. Lindsay was a lesser known junior agent.
00:08:48
So she did find it strange that the woman contacted her. So Lindsay asked the woman how she got
00:08:56
her information. The woman told her she was referred to her by a former client of Lindsay's.
00:09:02
She told Lindsay this person's name and it has been reported that Lindsay called
00:09:07
the former client, but that lady was traveling and could not be reached. In any event, this $1 million deal would
00:09:15
be very big for a junior agent. And Lindsay jumped at the chance to find homes that would meet the client's
00:09:22
requirements. Over the next 24 hours there were six calls back and forth between Lindsay and
00:09:30
the clients. Of course, we do not know what was actually said during those calls.
00:09:36
We do know that the couple and Lindsay made an appointment to see a specific house, one that was listed by some other
00:09:44
RE/MAX agents likely known to Lindsay. The appointment was set for 5:30 on Saturday, February 2nd to see the home
00:09:53
at 1702 De Sousa Place in Saanich. This is an upscale suburb of Victoria. There are reports that they scheduled
00:10:03
showings at five different homes and 1702 De Sousa was to be the first of these appointments. Now, some reports
00:10:12
say that in one of the calls the female client told Lindsay that she would be attending the showing alone as her
00:10:20
husband was ill. There are other reports that say that it was the opposite that Lindsay was told only the husband would
00:10:28
attend. The fact is we don't know for sure as only Lindsay and the clients know the content of those conversations.
00:10:37
Now, the house on De Sousa Place was a new build that was sitting on the market for close to a year. The asking price
00:10:46
was $964,000. It was situated on a new subdivision on a cul-de-sac named for the developer of
00:10:56
the new street, John De Sousa. His company owned the 1702 property. He reportedly was present on a building
00:11:05
site nearby on that day and wrapped things up by 5:00 p.m. and left for the day as did the construction workers
00:11:13
building another house on the street. The cul-de-sac was located off of a residential road. This is Torquay Drive
00:11:21
which was lined with houses. Now, we're going to have two eyewitnesses from the neighborhood that night.
00:11:28
And what these two witnesses reported seeing was a young dark-haired woman presumably to be Lindsay greeting and
00:11:35
shaking hands with two other adults outside of the De Sousa Place property that evening. Yeah, one male and one
00:11:43
female. So, one witness was driving by in a vehicle. He confirmed seeing three people. The other witness was a little
00:11:52
more detailed. This was a woman walking her dog. She was able to provide police with a description of the couple that
00:12:00
Lindsay was talking to. Mhm. This was a man and a woman. It appeared to her that
00:12:05
the couple did not know the young brunette, did not know Lindsay. She also reported a car parked in the
00:12:12
driveway. So, note here we have one vehicle, three people. This car that was parked in the driveway was later
00:12:20
confirmed to be Lindsay's vehicle. After shaking hands, the three then walked toward the home.
00:12:28
The lockbox to the De Sousa Place address was accessed at 5:29 p.m. This would be when Lindsay used the key
00:12:37
in the lockbox to enter the home with the clients. So, no car other than Lindsay's was
00:12:44
parked in the cul-de-sac or in the driveway of the home according to these two witnesses.
00:12:51
At 5:45 p.m. Lindsay's boyfriend Jason Zailo. He's a mortgage broker and a realtor at
00:12:59
the same company as Lindsay. He pulled up outside of the home. Jason was accompanied by a friend named
00:13:06
Cohen Oatman. Cohen worked with Jason and the two were on a hockey team together and they
00:13:12
actually had a game later that evening. Jason was exchanging text with Lindsay prior to his arrival.
00:13:20
But Jason not being able to reach his girlfriend eventually went up to the front door of the home and tried the
00:13:27
handle. The door was locked. Jason recognized that during a showing the door should not be locked.
00:13:35
Further, he saw Lindsay's shoes, black heels, lying on the floor in the entryway. Which isn't that uncommon cuz
00:13:43
a lot of times when they have showings they make you remove your shoes. This was a bit He found it to be strange, but
00:13:50
only in combination with his inability to reach her. So, Right. you got to factor in all these things.
00:13:56
He sees the shoes in the entryway. The door is locked which he found odd. Plus, she is aware that he is going to meet
00:14:03
her at this property and she's not responding to any of his texts. also he's meeting her there cuz she feels odd
00:14:11
about the meeting in general. She feels a little suspicious of these two individuals, so she kind of asked him to
00:14:18
be there. Something doesn't feel right to her. I mean, that she's wanting getting a
00:14:23
million dollar listing call with being such a young agent. And then on top of that the accent
00:14:30
doesn't make sense to her. And then again on top of that now one of them's going to be sick and so they're just
00:14:36
going to show up as one person instead of a couple. Well, let's go through what he found
00:14:42
because there is a good reason for debate on his motivation for meeting her at that
00:14:49
property that night. So, once he is kind of set on alarm here, right? The door is
00:14:56
locked, he's unable to reach her. He is then going to interrupt the showing. And this is he rang the
00:15:04
doorbell, he knocked repeatedly. When no one answered, he called 911 at 6:05 p.m. requesting police to do a
00:15:12
welfare check on the property. Now, not satisfied with waiting for the cops, Jason and Cohen circled the house and
00:15:22
noted that the French doors facing the fenced patio on Torquay Drive on that side
00:15:29
they were open. So, Cohen got over the fence and this has been reported two ways.
00:15:36
Some reports say that Jason boosted Cohen over the fence, others say that there was a gap in the fence where some
00:15:42
boards were missing and Cohen slipped through there while Jason was on the phone with 911. Now, Cohen entered the
00:15:50
home through the French doors that were already open. He walked inside passing through the downstairs to the front door
00:15:58
unlocking it to let Jason inside. Then a second 911 call came in at 6:11 p.m. This time from inside the house at
00:16:09
1702 De Sousa. The caller, Jason, reported finding Lindsay on her back lying on the floor
00:16:16
in the corner of the master bedroom seemingly dead and lots of blood in the room. There was no one else in the house
00:16:25
and they had not seen anyone leave. The police arrived and Jason and Cohen were taken to the police station for
00:16:32
questioning. Lindsay was beyond help. The CBC reported that she died of multiple stab
00:16:39
wounds. They have never confirmed the extent of the injuries. They are keeping this
00:16:45
information to themselves. The scene was secured, crime scene tape was put up around the house, crime scene
00:16:53
techs began processing the home and the detectives combed through the home and canvassed the neighborhood.
00:17:00
So, police have not officially confirmed that the 911 caller was Jason or Cohen and they have not even officially
00:17:09
confirmed that it was they who found Lindsay. Remember, they're keeping a lot of this stuff to themselves, but
00:17:16
we know this because Jason has given some interviews notably to Dateline and participated in a police reenactment of
00:17:24
what happened when he entered the home through the front door. Saanichton Police Sergeant Chris Horsley
00:17:32
has also given interviews relaying Jason's movements as he arrived at the house and found Lindsay.
00:17:38
So, let's get into what we know about Lindsay's movements that day, the texts between Jason and Lindsay, and what was
00:17:46
found at the murder scene. So, Lindsay and Jason were living together. They had ate lunch that day at
00:17:54
a restaurant called Sauce. They paid the bill there at 4:24 p.m. and they left in separate vehicles.
00:18:02
We aren't certain where Lindsay went directly after this lunch, but some reports state that she told Jason that
00:18:09
she was going home to change her clothes before her meeting. Mhm. Jason left to go meet Cohen.
00:18:17
And the two went to an auto shop called SHC where Jason was doing a mortgage deal.
00:18:24
The two were seen on surveillance camera outside of SHC at 5:30 p.m. This is them
00:18:31
getting into Jason's Range Rover. Now, around this time Jason texted Lindsay saying
00:18:39
"I'll come meet you and I'll be 10 to 15 minutes or so." Lindsay responded, "Okay, I'll see you
00:18:46
in a bit. I got to go. The Mexicans are here." Let's be clear. We don't know if these
00:18:53
individuals are in fact Mexican, right? This is simply a nickname. Right. That that Lindsay
00:19:01
gave to these potential clients. I find this all very strange for a multitude of reasons. One, we can see
00:19:11
online her daily planner where she took notes from the call that she received from the woman with the thick accent
00:19:17
that Lindsay could not identify. Right. I What I find weird here is it doesn't seem to indicate, well,
00:19:24
not that it doesn't seem, it does not indicate in her notes the name of these potential clients. Right. And then on
00:19:31
top of that in her cell phone she nick nicknames them the Mexicans. This based off of what she said was a weird accent.
00:19:41
Right. I also I think it wasn't just that it was weird that it came off phony to her.
00:19:47
So, at 5:38 p.m. Jason texted Lindsay's phone again. this time saying, "Just a couple of minutes away." This text was
00:19:57
never read on Lindsay's end. At 5:41 p.m., Lindsay's Blackberry made a call to a contact in her phone. This
00:20:07
is to a friend that Lindsay had not spoken to in quite some time. The friend can hear some things,
00:20:16
but it is muffled and jumbled, and there's really nothing clearly audible to the friend.
00:20:23
Police believe that this call was a butt dial, that somehow during the attack, a
00:20:29
button on Lindsay's Blackberry was pressed, and the call went out as she was being attacked.
00:20:36
Sergeant Horsley said, "So, we believe that was actually at the point of attack when the couple attacked Lindsay.
00:20:45
Somehow it hit buttons on the Blackberry and it sent out a phone call." End quote. The Blackberry was found in
00:20:53
Lindsay's pocket after she was killed. As said, the autopsy findings in Lindsay's case have never been released.
00:21:02
We know that she was stabbed to death. A press conference held by the Saanich police confirmed that Lindsay died from
00:21:08
"multiple stab wounds." But police have never explained or expanded on this information.
00:21:16
Right. The The rumor is what, over 40 stab wounds? Oh man. Okay, let's get into some of
00:21:21
these rumors and just a real quick disclaimer. This is going to be one of the more brutal parts of of this case,
00:21:28
but keep in mind, these are not facts. These are what what I'm calling I'm calling these internet facts, where
00:21:36
they're they're really just rumor, okay? So, ones that I found was that she was stabbed 54 times in the chest and head.
00:21:44
One stating that she was stabbed 40 times, and then one that, as you mentioned, stabbed over 40 times.
00:21:52
She was stabbed where her new breast implants Yeah. Lindsay had a recently got breast enhancements and and those were
00:22:03
mutilated, they said. Right. So, yeah, to further that rumor, people say that they were deliberately or intentionally
00:22:10
mutilated. And then we have the other statement of that she was nearly decapitated.
00:22:17
Again, to be perfectly clear, these are just rumors. There has never been any official confirmation of the extent of
00:22:25
her injuries or the number of times she was stabbed or the bodily areas where she was stabbed.
00:22:32
There's many many cases that the person dies from knife injuries that you'll hear rumors of almost decapitated.
00:22:41
Yes. So, we have a source that is close to the investigation, and this is author Gary
00:22:49
Rodgers, whom we were able to talk to while covering this case. He's working on a
00:22:55
book about the case. Now, Gary says that he was privy to the autopsy report, and
00:23:03
he did share some of this information with us, and this is information I have not heard elsewhere.
00:23:10
He says Lindsay was the victim of between 10 to 15 stab wounds. To be clear, and to credit Gary Rodgers,
00:23:20
he's being somewhat vague on that number because we're not going to compromise the investigation. That That has not
00:23:27
been released to the public. Now, this quote from Sergeant Horsley provides some more information, stating,
00:23:35
"When they went upstairs, there's a master bedroom and an en suite bathroom. We know,
00:23:43
meaning law enforcement, that when Lindsay turned to show the en suite bathroom, she was then attacked from the
00:23:50
rear. There's no defensive wounds whatsoever. We don't believe she had any pre-indication
00:23:57
that something was amiss." Gary tells us that Lindsay was, in fact, attacked from behind. Almost certainly
00:24:06
with a large knife and incapacitated by severing her central nervous system. This means her spinal cord was severed
00:24:14
by the knife. She was then rolled over and stabbed in the chest area and down to her abdomen. Judging by this
00:24:22
information, it seems to me that whoever did this wanted to be 100% certain that
00:24:29
she was dead. Now, no weapon was found at the scene. Lindsay was found on the floor of the
00:24:35
master bedroom near the bathroom. Her body fell so that it would have been visible to someone coming up the stairs
00:24:43
and glancing into the master bedroom. So, the injuries to the spine, they think were done purposefully?
00:24:50
That the person knew what they were doing? Possibly. That that's certainly a possibility.
00:24:57
Or could also It could also be just happenstance. But what I think we can point out and say for certain, given
00:25:03
this information, is she was, in fact, attacked from behind, did not know that she was about to be attacked because
00:25:09
there was no defensive wounds. And I really think that there's there's multiple areas that you could have hit
00:25:16
with that first strike that would have left her incapacitated. Lindsay was found lying on her back.
00:25:24
There was zero evidence of sexual assault. Lindsay's wallet, purse, cell phone, and jewelry were all found at the
00:25:33
scene undisturbed. Lindsay's business suit soaked up much of the blood, although there was still plenty left at
00:25:41
the scene. How much blood would have been on the killers is anyone's guess. Grove Collaborative is an online
00:26:02
marketplace that delivers all natural home, beauty, and personal care products directly to you. They take the guesswork
00:26:09
out of going green. Every grove.co product is guaranteed to be good for you, your family, your home, and the
00:26:17
planet. So, you don't need to spend time reading confusing labels. With Grove, you don't need to shop multiple stores
00:26:24
or search endlessly online to get all the natural goods you need for you and your family. Join over half a million
00:26:32
families who trust Grove Collaborative to make their homes happier and healthier. Plus, shipping is fast and
00:26:38
free on your first order. It's a shopping experience that you are going to love. Their website is
00:26:44
beautiful, the products, there are many many great ones to choose from, and as the captain just said, shipping fast and
00:26:51
free. It could not be more convenient. Join me and a half a million other families who trust Grove Collaborative.
00:26:59
For a limited time, when you go to grove.co/garage and place an order of $20 or more, you
00:27:06
will get a free five-piece cleaning set from Mrs. Meyer's and Grove, a $30 value. Go to grove.co/garage
00:27:16
to get this exclusive offer. That's grove.co/garage for this exclusive offer. Did you know
00:27:23
that only one in five homes have home security? Maybe that's because most companies don't really make it easy.
00:27:30
That's why Simply Safe is my top choice, hands down. Simply Safe protects every door, window,
00:27:36
and room with 24/7 professional monitoring. And they make it easy on you. There's no
00:27:42
contract, hidden fees, or fine print. Prices are always fair and honest. In fact, around the clock monitoring is
00:27:49
just $15 a month. But the thing that truly makes Simply Safe stand out is their video verification technology.
00:27:57
When other home security systems are triggered, police often assume it's a false alarm, and the call goes to the
00:28:03
bottom of the list. But not with Simply Safe. Using their video verification technology, they're able to visually
00:28:10
confirm that the break-in is happening, allowing police to get to the scene 3.5 times faster. Visit
00:28:17
simplisafe.com/garage to get free shipping and a 60-day risk-free trial. You have nothing to
00:28:23
lose. Now, be sure you go to simplisafe.com/garage so that they know that True Crime Garage
00:28:29
sent you. That's simplisafe.com/garage. With more than 70 sizes, including their
00:28:36
signature half cup sizes, ThirdLove designs bras with breast size and shape in mind for a perfect fit and premium
00:28:43
feel. Just answer a few simple questions via ThirdLove's FitFinder quiz to find your perfect fit in 60 seconds. Then,
00:28:52
thanks to ThirdLove's 100% fit guarantee, you can wear, wash, and put your bra to the test for 60 days. And if
00:29:00
you don't love it, you can return it, and ThirdLove will wash it and donate it to a woman in need. This is hands-down
00:29:06
the most comfortable bra that you'll own, with straps that won't slip, tagless labels, and lightweight thin
00:29:13
memory foam cups. Our friends love ThirdLove. Our mothers love ThirdLove. You're going to love ThirdLove, too.
00:29:20
That's the number one thing that we hear, is that this is the most comfortable bra that they've ever owned.
00:29:25
And the highest quality bra that they've ever owned. ThirdLove knows that there's a perfect
00:29:30
bra for everyone. So, right now they are offering our listeners 15% off your first order. Go to thirdlove.com/garage
00:29:38
to find your perfect fitting bra and get 15% off your first purchase. That's thirdlove.com/garage
00:29:44
for 15% off today. All right, we're back. Maybe you're back. Watch your back. Watch your back.
00:30:08
We will be at the Ohio Crime and Corruption event at the Ohio History Connection in Columbus. That is this
00:30:16
Saturday. We will be talking for about an hour and we are scheduled to go on at 2:30 p.m. So, if you want more
00:30:24
information or ticket information, you can find that at our website truecrimegarage.com.
00:30:30
Yeah, and after we're done talking, we'll be there for a little bit afterwards to meet with anybody that
00:30:36
shows up. That's right. That's right. And if you still need more true crime garage, don't forget about the Stitcher
00:30:42
app and our other show on Stitcher Premium. The wonderful very highly touted show that everybody
00:30:52
tells everybody else about. Award-winning. Award-winning. It's number one in Japan.
00:30:58
It's called Off the Record. Right. And and all everything we just said is off the record. Okay, Captain. So,
00:31:06
the choice of weapon here in this case really and unfortunately makes a lot of sense,
00:31:13
right? It's a knife was used in this murder. Now, unlike a gun, this is going to leave little forensic evidence
00:31:21
behind. It's going to make no noise and does not require a permit. So, less of a trail here, right? Canada
00:31:30
has much stricter gun laws than the United States and a knife would just simply be easier, quieter, and leave no
00:31:38
trail. But, the other thing that we can figure out, too, is that this knife was brought
00:31:44
to the house by the killers. And taken away. Yeah. And given our source, he says it was a rather large
00:31:53
knife. So, if in fact this was a large knife, you do have to wonder how it was concealed.
00:31:59
And I'm also guessing that the attack taking place upstairs rather than downstairs on the ground level,
00:32:07
this was also deliberate. So, one, you would be leaving the body left away from prying eyes. The upstairs
00:32:16
in compared to in comparison to the ground level, where anybody could just walk up and look through a window,
00:32:21
right? The other thing, too, is if the attack does not go as planned, then there's a longer escape route for
00:32:30
Lindsey to get away from her attackers. And again, it just seems to be deliberate.
00:32:36
You know, they knew that they were going to be shown the house. So, let's wait until she takes us upstairs or let's
00:32:44
suggest, "Hey, can we see the upstairs?" And then when her back is turned, the attack went down.
00:32:50
Now, Jason and Cohen, as we said, were actually taken to into police custody. Yeah, they were actually I believe
00:32:58
handcuffed and taken into custody. So, this is obviously for several different reasons, right? They found the body and
00:33:07
they're at the scene of the murder scene. Now, Jason probably had blood on him. We do know that he attempted CPR.
00:33:16
This is in spite of him saying that he could tell that Lindsey was dead. Now, Jason's a pretty big man. I think he's
00:33:22
like 6'2, 6'3. 230, 240. Yeah. And and he was I believe an amateur hockey player. Or
00:33:31
semi-pro. Yeah. Something something of that nature. Semi-pro, amateur. Is there a
00:33:35
difference? Well, I think you're you're partially professional. Much like your your conduct on this
00:33:43
show. Yeah. Um so, he tells police that he arrived at the house around 5:45 p.m. Now, I
00:33:50
want everybody to really pay attention here because we're not just we're not going back through stuff that we've
00:33:56
already discussed. We're going to go into more detail about what his movements were that night and that day,
00:34:04
right? So, he says he arrived around around 5:45 p.m. at the house that she was showing. He and Cohen stayed in the
00:34:12
car. They parked in the cul-de-sac and they were watching the house. back up. He he was running a little bit
00:34:19
later than he would told Lindsey he would be, but that's because when they left the car dealership
00:34:25
that they actually had to call to get directions. Uh they weren't really familiar with how to get to that house.
00:34:33
And I know there's some people out there that are saying, "Hey, we're missing something a big part of this case."
00:34:39
Which is Hey. Jason may or may not have seen the killers when he pulled up near the
00:34:45
property. I just want to so we can all get a clear understanding of what may be going on
00:34:52
that we go through these items one at a time. So, they are parked Jason and Cohen are
00:35:00
parked in the cul-de-sac and they are watching the house. He says they arrived at 5:45 p.m. Then
00:35:08
at 5:55 p.m., he texts Lindsey saying, "Are you okay?" but receives no response.
00:35:15
Jason then moved the car to an actual parking spot on Torquay Drive. Mhm. And he says he got out and he went up and
00:35:24
looked through the front door glass. This is when he saw Lindsey's shoes. He became concerned and made some calls.
00:35:32
These calls were him trying to gain access to the home. Remember, the door is locked at this time.
00:35:38
Yeah. And this is in fact backed up by cell phone records. When this didn't work, when he couldn't
00:35:46
gain access to the house, this is when Jason made the first 911 call at 6:05 p.m. Now, crime scene
00:35:54
investigators tracking fingerprints and footprints, they have verified Jason and
00:36:01
Cohen's stories about their travel into and throughout the house. The home had been thoroughly cleaned the
00:36:09
morning before the showing and was empty. Nobody was living in this house. Right. So, it was
00:36:16
very easy for them to establish what took place or to verify that their stories were in fact correct. Well,
00:36:24
let's stay on that for one one second cuz the house was basically empty, is ready to be shown. And this is one of
00:36:33
the reasons why they start ruling out the idea of a robbery because all of Lindsey's belongings are still there.
00:36:41
Mhm. And then there's obviously nothing to be taken in the house. Again, you got to question the
00:36:47
motivation, right? Right. And the while we're talking about evidence, the only DNA that was recovered from the house
00:36:56
is was Lindsey's. Mhm. Jason and Cohen were released after this initial questioning. And Jason did obtain a
00:37:05
lawyer. Now, with his lawyer's assistance, Jason cooperated with police in performing the reenactment
00:37:12
walk-through of his actions when he entered the front door of the home. He says immediately he ran up the stairs
00:37:20
calling for Lindsey. And this has caused a lot of people to be suspicious of Jason. And why is that? So, after this
00:37:29
video and after the interview with Jason was aired on Dateline in 2010, people were wondering how
00:37:38
they're pointing out and thinking that he may have known in advance prior to walking through the front door that
00:37:44
Lindsey would be found upstairs. Mhm. Here's the thing. We got to if if you're going to make that leap, let's also keep
00:37:53
some other possible leaps in mind as well, it's possible since Cohen already ran through
00:38:02
the downstairs to get to the front door that Jason may have just anticipated that Lindsey was not on that ground
00:38:09
level floor. Right. And we also have the police statements of her body could be easily seen from
00:38:17
somebody who was going up the stairs and looking in the direction of the master bedroom. Well, now in his own words, it
00:38:24
took him he said maybe 2 seconds from the time he opened the door to get up the steps. Mhm.
00:38:31
Yeah, and he knows that his friend by this time had already run through the back door, through the French doors, all
00:38:37
the way through to the front door. Yeah. I but I could see why they're suspicious
00:38:42
of that. I think that's something as far as investigators, uh that they want to question. And you kind of see them do
00:38:50
that during this uh reenactment or this walk-through. So, one thing that I really want to dive
00:38:57
into right here before we get to all this other stuff with Jason, is the whole reason for him being at the
00:39:06
property that she was showing in the first place, all right? This is where I'm going to try to really start to cut
00:39:11
through some of the crap that's out there and try to present what I believe is to be real.
00:39:17
Mhm. Okay? So, this is another reason why people are suspicious of Jason. And this stems from one narrative that has
00:39:25
really taken over this case. The story is Lindsey was nervous about the showing and the prospect of meeting strangers
00:39:33
whose accents she was was not familiar with. And that she in fact asked Jason to
00:39:40
attend this showing for her protection. On February 4th, this is 2 days after the murder. CBC
00:39:49
reported that Lindsay's colleagues said that she had, quote, a bad feeling about
00:39:55
the cell phone calls. Right. CTV News attributes this quote to her friend Vicki Macky.
00:40:03
This is a story repeated by Lindsay's father, Jeff. But there is evidence that this story, in fact, is incorrect or at
00:40:12
the very least extremely exaggerated. Okay? So, for one thing, Lindsay was a smart,
00:40:19
ambitious, professional young woman. She knew that part of her realtor's job involved showing properties to people.
00:40:27
Right. Often people she's never met before. Jason, for his part, he told police that he arranged to meet
00:40:35
Lindsay at 1702 De Sousa Place because he was the listing agent on the SHC property. Now, remember, this is the
00:40:45
property that he left with Cohen to go over to De Sousa Place, right? The reason why he was going to meet
00:40:54
Lindsay there, in Jason's words, was not for her protection. He was just stopping by
00:41:01
there to pick up some paperwork. This was just going to be a quick stop, talk with her briefly, grab some paperwork.
00:41:07
Mhm. Lindsay, the reason for this is Lindsay was representing a buyer, a potential
00:41:13
buyer who made an offer on the SHC property that Jason was the listing agent for.
00:41:21
Okay? So, the SHC owner made a counteroffer. And Jason wanted to get that to Lindsay to submit it to her
00:41:30
client ASAP. Anybody that's in the real estate business, anybody that's in sales will
00:41:38
tell you, if you got if you got talks going on back and forth, and you think that you're going to be able to get a
00:41:44
deal done, you get that deal done. Right? You don't You don't give somebody time to talk themselves out of
00:41:53
purchasing Well, it depends on if you're a professional or if you're semi-professional.
00:41:58
So, it seems like Jason would have had a different reason for being at the house.
00:42:05
And this, in fact, does change a lot of what one could think or be suspicious of.
00:42:11
Changes it drastically because my first question in all this is if you're there to protect your girlfriend, or even your
00:42:21
friend or whatever, you're a real estate agent. It's not that uh these are people
00:42:28
these are people people, right? Mhm. They want to they wouldn't feel uncomfortable pulling
00:42:36
up in the driveway. They wouldn't feel in uh uncomfortable interrupting the showing cuz it's as simple as, "Hey, I
00:42:43
work with Lindsay. I am here um if you guys need me. What a great property." It's you know
00:42:49
Or I'm here as part of the showing. They don't need to know why you're part of the showing. Exactly.
00:42:54
And if you are, in fact, there for her protection, then you are there for part of the showing. Right. And so, why park?
00:43:01
And you're you're you're 6'3", 240 lbs hockey this this guy doesn't have a problem if
00:43:09
if there's going to be a fight. So, again, the the story, the narrative has been she felt uncomfortable, Jason is
00:43:17
going to go there, you know, for her protection. Again, doesn't make a lot of sense, and that
00:43:24
makes you really question Jason. But then, when Jason says, "Well, no, that's not why I was going there.
00:43:30
I had to give her paperwork." Well, if you're just giving somebody paperwork, you're not going to be that concerned
00:43:39
that you're running in a little bit late. You're not going to be that concerned on
00:43:45
you're technically not late, right? If you were there for the showing, if he were to be there to be part of the
00:43:51
showing, he would have been late. However, what he's stating is, "I'm there to have a a quick meeting with
00:43:57
Lindsay regarding this property that I have the seller. She has the potential buyer. We have to do some quick
00:44:04
paperwork." So, in fact, he is actually there for another purpose, which is going to take place after the showing.
00:44:11
And So, he's not even he's not late, he's not part of the showing, and therefore
00:44:18
like you said, if he was there for protection, he would have been late, and you would have anticipated he parked the
00:44:23
car and go into the house and say, "Hey, sorry I'm late. I was supposed to be here for the for the showing."
00:44:29
here. Yeah, I mean, you'd think again, yeah, I I back up all that stuff. I I think if uh
00:44:36
but then it becomes it's it's convoluted which story is correct. Because what's weird, too, is they
00:44:46
a little bit of both can be correct at the same time. She could have felt weirded out by this
00:44:52
girl that she thinks is give putting on a fake accent. That's a little strange. But you got a million-dollar listing.
00:45:00
So, maybe you mention that to your father. Yeah, it seems a little strange. Kind of little weirded out by it. But
00:45:07
we'll see what happens. And even if she mentions that to a friend, okay, maybe that's just some conversation.
00:45:17
If that conversation didn't happen with Jason, and if his reason for being there
00:45:22
wasn't for protection, then his story makes sense. So, I'm not going to throw the father under the bus or the friend
00:45:29
under the bus to say that she didn't say those things, but that didn't that doesn't mean that she went the extra
00:45:35
step to say, "Hey, Jason, I want you to be there at a certain time and and to be
00:45:39
here at the showing with me." The other thing, too, you know, the Saanich police, they spoke to all
00:45:46
parties around this case, her colleagues, her friends. And their official statement on this
00:45:55
is that they say while Lindsay felt the showing was unusual because she was not the listing agent, she wasn't
00:46:04
apprehensive about it. Right. And now, let's go over that a little bit because the way the story kind of reads is that
00:46:11
they were just like, "Hey, we're just looking for a house." I believe this first house, the the murder
00:46:18
scene house, was one that they actually picked out. Does that make sense when when the when
00:46:25
the quote-unquote Mexicans called her? The Well, that's a that again, that's why I
00:46:32
was quick to point out that other than Lindsay's notes and some conversations that she had with
00:46:38
colleagues and such, we don't know exactly what was discussed on those phone calls.
00:46:46
Right. And that has been something that's been hotly debated, too. How did they end up at this property? Right. Was
00:46:53
it at the client's suggestion? Was it at Lindsay's suggestion? Or was it somebody
00:46:59
else? Well, again, I'm going to go back to what I heard the logical thing is that some point Lindsay was telling her
00:47:07
friend or her father that she thought it was a little strange that they called her
00:47:13
and not the listing agent of that house. So, to me, that is that's she's going, "Well, why are you
00:47:22
calling me when you could have called the listing agent of that house?" So, to me, they knew about that house.
00:47:30
To me, that house was they brought that house into the equation. So, I saw her notes from the initial phone call. Yeah.
00:47:40
There's no address that she wrote down in her notes. And so, what that leads me to believe,
00:47:47
I'm not saying that I'm right. I don't I'm not going to pretend that I know, but what that would lead me to believe
00:47:53
is that that property was not discussed during that phone call. And was not brought up by the clients.
00:48:00
Well, it could have been as simple as that she just Googled it and then left it up, and didn't put it in her notes.
00:48:07
But I I I see uh your logic behind Because she wrote down like what they what they were looking for. Yeah. She
00:48:15
wrote down three bedroom, three bath, space for housekeeper, separate living area for housekeeper, large master
00:48:22
bedroom. I'm just saying this that the idea that distance from downtown. Right. I'm just
00:48:28
saying the idea that this rumor is out there that she's saying, "Hey, it's kind of weird that they called me and not the
00:48:35
listing agent of this house." The fact that that kind of rumor of that conversation is out there leads me to
00:48:42
believe that the the Mexicans knew about this property, which would make some sense, too, though, because
00:48:50
we know that they're not trying to buy a house. We know We now know that they were
00:48:56
they're leading her somewhere, and they were going to murder her. And so, why wouldn't you want to pick the
00:49:03
location? Well, not only that, why wouldn't you want to pick a a vacant house? You know, like where I said I
00:49:09
would Nobody lives in. I believe the attack going down upstairs is deliberate. That's that's for the
00:49:15
purpose of them not finding her body as quickly. Right. Which would make me, again,
00:49:21
lived there, then you're like they they have to return home at some point. Right. But again, her conversation about
00:49:27
why would they call me when there's a listing agent on this house? That was the police's statement.
00:49:32
Right. Right. We don't know that she actually said those words. But what I'm saying is again, then it go
00:49:38
another logical step is, if you're the one planning this murder, planning this attack, why wouldn't you want to know
00:49:45
everything about the property? So, you're the one that found the property. Jason, in the public's eye, is I mean,
00:49:54
you the only way to look at this, Captain, would be to say that in the public's eye, he's likely the number one
00:49:59
suspect, according to the internet. And there is concern because of two variations of the story that he told to
00:50:09
police about something he saw that night. This is something we touched on earlier, but we have not gotten into
00:50:15
yet. Okay? So, on Dateline, on the Dateline episode about this case, Jason told sleepy Josh Mankiewicz that
00:50:24
he saw two shadow shadowy figures through the frosted glass of the front door. Mhm. He assumed Jason assumed that
00:50:34
they were the couple that Lindsay was meeting. But, on True Crime Daily, Sergeant Chris
00:50:41
Horsley said that Jason saw the killers from his car as the front door of the house opened, saying, quote, "The
00:50:49
killers were actually about to walk out the front door and leave. He turned into
00:50:54
the cul-de-sac and interrupted them leaving. If he, meaning Jason, had been 5 seconds later, he would have driven
00:51:02
right into the suspects walking out of the house into the driveway." Right. And it's it's believed that he got a pretty
00:51:10
clear look at the male, but not so much the female. So, according to the sergeant,
00:51:18
Jason told police that the couple turned around and closed the door, and that he
00:51:24
actually saw them, or, as you said, at least the man. And Horsley goes on to say, quote, "And
00:51:31
his assumption is these are the clients, and the showing is just starting as the
00:51:37
door closes." Quote, "He then parks outside because he is waiting for the showing to end, but
00:51:44
the showing didn't end. Lindsay never emerged from the home, and eventually Jason called 911." So, let's let's dive
00:51:51
into this real quick here. According to Sergeant Horsley, Jason interrupts these two leaving, but
00:52:00
Jason doesn't know that Lindsay has been attacked at this point. He actually thinks that they just turn around and
00:52:06
that they're walking to the home and the showing is about to begin, and that's why he kind of just sits there and
00:52:13
chills for a minute. Mhm. But, then when he doesn't hear back from Lindsay, and when Lindsay and nobody else leaves the
00:52:19
home, then he's starting to question what's going on. Okay, so here's a big problem with these two
00:52:26
stories. One, what was said on Dateline, and what was said by the sergeant on on
00:52:32
True Crime Daily. This looks like it's two different stories, right? Yeah. So, the Dateline episode made made it appear
00:52:42
that Jason only saw people through the glass of the front door. When he actually
00:52:49
said he could see two people through the glass only after they went back inside the house upon seeing his car.
00:52:58
Mhm. So, this is this is one of those weird situations where it's not two variations
00:53:03
of of a story. He's not telling two different stories. It's just different portions of the same story. It's just
00:53:12
people reporting the story differently. Right. So, the Dateline episode made Jason
00:53:17
come across as telling two different stories. Now, Uh-huh. the Saanich police, and this is one thing that I think is
00:53:24
Was Keith Morrison on that episode? Um Did he go, "Uh-huh?" Well, I I know that he
00:53:29
Why would Jason be telling us all differently like that? Why would he do that? I like Josh a lot. Oh, I do, too.
00:53:38
nice guy. I do, too. He's a great drinking partner. He looks half asleep during his
00:53:42
interviews. He looks half asleep when you're drinking with Sometimes fully asleep during the
00:53:45
interviews. So, real quick, that Jason pulls up to the house. Well, real quick, here's the thing that that people are
00:53:53
missing in this case. And this is where you can't have you can't have this whole idea that Jason
00:54:01
told two different stories. It doesn't where it gained legs and went off walking on its own, it needs to we
00:54:09
can very quickly remove those legs. There should not be a story here because the Saanich police held a very unusual
00:54:17
press conference. This is shortly after the Dateline episode aired. Mhm. In this
00:54:24
press conference, the Saanich police said that the episode resulted in rampant speculation that Jason and his
00:54:31
family were responsible for Lindsay's murder. Police reiterated in the press conference that Jason and his family are
00:54:40
not suspects in the case. So, what that tells me is Yeah, which is I think a stupid line anyways, because
00:54:48
we know now, or what we think we know, is that they didn't find any DNA in the house other than Lindsay's, but they did
00:54:57
ask Jason to submit a DNA test, and as far as I know, he's never submitted that DNA test. Now, again, goes from the
00:55:06
crime scene, gets handcuffed, goes downtown, you know, extensive interview, interrogation,
00:55:13
goes back with his lawyer to actually go through the property, do walk-throughs,
00:55:19
being very cooperative, but they ask for DNA, again, when you lawyer up, what's your
00:55:25
lawyer going to tell you? No, we're not submitting DNA. So, I don't know if I put that so much on
00:55:33
Jason, but if that rumor is true, then you can't sit there and tell me that you that he's
00:55:40
cleared and they're not suspects. Okay, so let's stay on this for a little bit. So,
00:55:45
we have a murdered young realtor. Yeah. Mysterious foreign clients. Virtually no
00:55:52
forensic evidence that the police will discuss. And no clues as to the killers' identities or motives.
00:55:59
So, let's go through what we do know. According to Sergeant Horsley, we know from forensic evidence that both
00:56:07
the man and female did go through the home. This is his words. Right. He says, quote, "We do have evidence of them
00:56:15
leaving the home. However, we don't have anything in the form of DNA or fingerprints." End quote. Now, thanks to
00:56:22
our source, Gary Rogers, we can tell you exactly what this evidence is. According
00:56:28
to Gary, investigators were able to track sock and nylon impressions of Lindsay and two others throughout the
00:56:36
house. Mhm. They found a bloody trail of footprints. One in a larger wool blend pattern sock, the other a smaller, more
00:56:45
feminine nylon print. Leaving bloody prints leading from the upstairs down to the foyer,
00:56:52
this probably where they presumably picked up their footwear, their shoes, and out the French doors leading to the
00:57:01
patio. Yeah. Now, based on this, police could tell pretty much exactly what happened in the home and determine that
00:57:08
the female and male couple seen with Lindsay were almost certainly the perpetrators of her murder.
00:57:15
It seems that they just got lucky that there was a hole in the fence so that they could sneak out of the patio and
00:57:22
exit onto the street. Yeah, got lucky, or they knew they knew this house in advance. So,
00:57:29
but it but it does seem that their exit plan was to leave out the front door, the way that they came in, but this was
00:57:36
got all messed up when Jason drove up to the property. Right, but they parked on a different
00:57:41
road, or we can assume they parked on a different road. Well, that that that is a good question.
00:57:47
Um they didn't park on that road, we know that. Now, could they have had a getaway car, getaway driver, were they
00:57:54
dropped off, Right. were they picked up? That's also a possibility. Yeah. So, again, who are these two
00:58:01
people? We know that per police statements, that they are most 100% almost 100% the perpetrators
00:58:09
of Lindsay's murder. And back to the two eyewitnesses, the lady walking her dog saw two people in the driveway with
00:58:16
Lindsay. The description she provided is of a 6-ft tall Caucasian man in his mid-30s with a medium build, dark hair.
00:58:27
Now, the woman walking her dog Mhm. only saw the man from the back. She didn't get a a look at the front of him.
00:58:34
Okay? Okay? Mhm. And she also described a Caucasian woman in her mid-30s to 40s,
00:58:41
medium height and build with shoulder-length blond hair. Now, she only saw the woman from the side. The
00:58:49
woman she described was wearing a dress. The dress was a wavy pattern in white, black, and reddish pink.
00:58:57
This is described as a very distinctive dress, and actually police wondered at the time if it was worn specifically to
00:59:05
distract any witnesses from noticing any facial features of the two, Mhm. or any
00:59:11
other distinguishing characteristics. And wasn't it reported that the man was wearing a brown jacket of some kind?
00:59:19
From my notes, I don't have anything regarding a brown jacket. But, keep in mind, the other eyewitness was driving
00:59:26
his car, so he only got like a glimpse Right. of these two people. And I bring that up because
00:59:34
I'm not saying it happens all the time, but you we have this reddish pink black dress, man wearing a brown jacket.
00:59:43
Chances are if the this couple left together, then they would change the jacket to a black jacket and they would
00:59:49
match on some level. Um my gut feeling tells me that these people didn't leave that they live in separate houses.
00:59:59
That's what my gut feeling is telling me. Um and I know that sounds silly based off of color coordination, but that's my
01:00:06
gut feeling. They're not They're not wearing some type of uniform to indicate that they're
01:00:12
together? No, I know it sounds silly, but I I that's my gut feeling. Well, regarding
01:00:19
went to pick up the woman and she got in the car, "Ah, we don't match. We don't match."
01:00:24
Regarding the dress, I think the dress is very important because it is described as very distinctive. Again, it
01:00:31
was a wavy pattern in in white, black, and reddish pink. The police went on to say that because
01:00:38
it was so distinctive, they thought that maybe the dress would actually lead them
01:00:43
to the the killer or at least to whoever the woman was that that attended that showing, right? So, but their their
01:00:51
statement was quote, "We think we may have even found the exact brand of the dress."
01:00:58
It wasn't a designer high-end name brand. Unfortunately, it was something that could commonly be purchased in a
01:01:05
department store. So, unfortunately, the dress did not pan out for police. Well, I think it had maybe possibly two
01:01:12
purposes. One, to distract people so they're not looking at facial features, but I think
01:01:18
on the other hand, if it's red and pink, if you if you're leaving a house pink. So, it's it's actually a black and
01:01:25
white dress with a reddish pink um wavy pattern. Right, but what I'm saying is um
01:01:32
so, you're leaving a house with some blood on you, it might distract people from the the
01:01:38
fact that you have blood on you. It's possible. I personally, I think that whatever they were wearing that day
01:01:47
was to look as if they should be looking at a home that cost over $900,000. Okay. That's That's why I think when
01:01:56
when they get this description, when law enforcement gets the description of this
01:02:00
dress, I think that's why they immediately thought that it could have been a higher-end designer brand. That
01:02:06
there would have been less of and they would have had a chance of tracing it in some form or fashion.
01:02:12
Now, a year after the murder, police released a sketch of the blonde female seen by the witness in uh profile.
01:02:20
Unfortunately, this did not lead to any leads. Now, police examined Lindsay's phone and
01:02:29
her day planner and found the phone number for the quote Mexicans, as she called them. They traced the phone
01:02:36
number and found something startling. The phone used was a burner phone, purchased with cash the previous
01:02:44
November at a convenience store in Vancouver. There was no surveillance footage of the
01:02:50
phone purchase. Now, keep in mind, it wasn't that the store didn't have cameras.
01:02:57
It was more so that this took place so long before Right. nobody had asked for this
01:03:03
footage. Eventually eventually, they lose it or you know, copy over it, Mhm. anything
01:03:09
like that. So, the uh burner phone was activated online just days before the actual murder.
01:03:17
And it was activated under a name, uh Paolo Rodriguez. Mhm. P A O L O Rodriguez. I spelled that just cuz I
01:03:27
probably mispronounced it. And was listed to a business address. This business was located in Vancouver. Now,
01:03:35
to be perfectly clear, when they registered the phone and to get the phone number, they had to
01:03:42
provide an address, okay? So, they provided an address to a business and it's been determined that this business
01:03:50
is unrelated to anything in this case. Right. Now, the first call on that phone,
01:03:57
the first call made to Lindsay was possibly on January 31st, 2018. And it came from the Vancouver area. The phone
01:04:09
then traveled to Victoria on Friday, February 1st, 2018. This is by way of the 2-hour ferry from
01:04:18
Vancouver. This is confirmed by cell phone pings along the way. And it was used again to call Lindsay more than
01:04:25
once that day and again on February 2nd, which was the day of the killing. The phone was never used again after the
01:04:35
murder. And it was never It's never been found. The phone was only ever used for one
01:04:42
thing, communicating with Lindsay. Sergeant Horsley says, quote, "It's a level of planning that clearly shows
01:04:49
Lindsay Buziak was the target." Simply Safe is my top choice for home security hands down, in part because
01:05:12
Simply Safe offers around-the-clock professional monitoring for just $15 a month. No contract, no hidden fees.
01:05:20
Prices are always fair and honest. Visit simplysafe.com/garage to get free shipping and a 60-day
01:05:27
risk-free trial. That's simplysafe.com/garage. simplysafe.com/garage. Thank you, Captain, and thank you to all
01:05:36
of you out there for listening and telling a friend. Please join us back here in the garage tomorrow for part
01:05:41
two. Until then, be good, be kind, and don't litter.